1 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:13,120 Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media. Hello Molly, here with a little minisode. 2 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: It's the end of the year and that's got me 3 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: thinking about trying to wrap up loose ends. Earlier this month, 4 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:26,440 Speaker 1: I answered some of your questions, but I left out 5 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: something important. Sometimes you guys answer my questions. I get 6 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: so many fascinating little tidbits from you all, and I'm 7 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: not lying when I say I really do read all 8 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: of your emails. I read all of them, and I 9 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: appreciate every person of Greek ancestry who wrote in with 10 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,599 Speaker 1: their own family stories about the nickname Yanaki, which is 11 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: just Greek for little Johnny. And I was very intrigued 12 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: to find out that Brian Serralt pronouncing his name Seralt 13 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: and not soah. Maybe more than just the American tradition 14 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 1: of mispronouncing anything foreign, because there is a particular linguistic 15 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: tendency to intentionally bastardize the pronunciation of anything French in 16 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: certain parts of New England because of local animosity towards Quebec. 17 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: And several of you wrote in to tell me that 18 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: Frank Smith setting his lawn on fire is apparently not 19 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 1: that weird, and burning dormant grass in the winter isn't 20 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 1: uncommon in rural areas. I mean, forgetting there was dynamite 21 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: hidden in the haybales. This is definitely not standard procedure, 22 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: but the fact that he intentionally set his yard on 23 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: fire wouldn't have been confusing to the fire department. And 24 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: I didn't know that. You guys all know so much, 25 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: and I love learning new things from you too, so 26 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: thank you to everyone who has written to share their 27 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: knowledge with me. I think I'll start keeping notes on 28 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: the fun facts I get so I don't have to 29 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: just rely on my memory, and maybe i'll add in 30 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: a row recurring segment or a quarterly round up of 31 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: the loose ends you guys have tied up for me. 32 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: Off the top of my head, though there are a 33 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 1: couple I wanted to tell you about. I'll keep your 34 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 1: names off the air because I forgot to ask you 35 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: how you felt about that, and I put this off 36 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: too long to have time to write you and ask you. 37 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: But I recently got an email from a court reporter 38 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,239 Speaker 1: who had some information for me about what happens in 39 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: the transcript when someone misspeaks. In the October twenty eighth 40 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 1: minisoded about how often people accidentally mix up Norman Rockwell, 41 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: the artist and George Lincoln Rockwell, the Nazi. I told 42 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: you about the time I heard a lawyer make that 43 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: mistake in court. It was a memorable moment. I mean, 44 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: it wasn't consequential to the case, but I remember it 45 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: so clearly because I burst out laughing and was briefly 46 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: a little bit grateful for the global pandemic, because that's 47 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 1: why I was listening to the trial on my headphones 48 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: at home and not in the court room, where that 49 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: kind of outburst would have gotten me in trouble. But 50 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: when I went back to look at the transcript while 51 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: I was writing about it, it wasn't there. I mean, 52 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it. I thought transcripts were these infallible 53 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: records of everything that was said in the courtroom. Now 54 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 1: this might earn me more emails from court reporters, because 55 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: I'm sure court rules and local bets practices vary. But 56 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: the court reporter who wrote in said that where they work, 57 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:33,119 Speaker 1: the rule is that you don't put into the transcript 58 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: words that were spoken by mistake if they are immediately 59 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: verbally corrected. So the transcript wouldn't say George Norman Rockwell. 60 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, George Lincoln Rockwell, it would just admit the 61 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:50,119 Speaker 1: mistake entirely. And if you're just reading the transcript, all 62 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: you would see are the words that they meant to say. 63 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: That makes sense, but it has been a tremendously unsettling 64 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: realization for me. And now I'm never going to stop 65 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: wondering what tiny little pieces are missing from the transcripts 66 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: I read. It sounds so minor, right, it sounds totally meaningless. 67 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: But when a case is appealed, there's not usually an 68 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: audio recording. The appellate case is just a transcript, so 69 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: there's no true, faithful record of what the jury heard 70 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: in the courtroom. There is no objective truth or reality 71 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: when you're looking at the past. I don't know. It 72 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: really shook me. And now this is just a mini 73 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: so I'll just tell you one more. One of you 74 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: emailed me to tell me what Dan Burrows was watching 75 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: on TV on Saturday, November tenth, nineteen sixty two. This 76 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 1: was from the first episode about John Patler, The Death 77 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: of a Demagogue, Part one from September e eighteenth of 78 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 1: this year, and toward the end of that episode, I 79 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: was talking about the few months John Patler spent in 80 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: New York City in late nineteen sixty two early nineteen 81 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: sixty three, during one of his spats with George Lincoln Rockwell. 82 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: Remember before he ultimately murdered Rockwell in sixty seven. Pler 83 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: had a few rough spots in his friendship with Rockwell, 84 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: and in nineteen sixty two he had packed up and 85 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: moved to New York City with another member of the 86 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: American Nazi Party who was so mad at Rockwell that 87 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 1: he also quit, was a guy named Dan Burrows, and 88 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 1: they set up their own rival Nazi group, but never 89 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 1: really had very many members and it was struggling to 90 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: really even be a group at all, and this failure 91 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: was starting to put a strain on their friendship. And 92 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: the real nail in the coffin came on November tenth, 93 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty two. John Patler was arrested that day for 94 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: putting on a one man protest outside Eleanor Roosevelt's funeral, 95 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: and Dan Burrows had refused to go with him day. 96 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 1: In a biography of Burroughs, it just said he stayed 97 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: home to watch sports on TV. I wanted to know 98 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: what game it was. The book didn't even say which sport. 99 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: I spent like an hour or two on this, which 100 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: is kind of embarrassing because it doesn't matter. I don't 101 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: know anything about sports today, let alone about sports in 102 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 1: the sixties. So I gave up the day the episode 103 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: came out, I think honestly, in the middle of the night. 104 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: Within hours a bit appearing on the podcast apps, I 105 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: got a text from my dear friend Gode. Now, if 106 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: you don't know God, you should check out his coverage 107 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: of Virginia state politics on Twitter, Blue Sky, and TikTok 108 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: at God Gatsby in case you didn't know. Maybe it's 109 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: tacky to plug my friend's stuff in the middle of 110 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: a story, but he's the only person in the world 111 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: who has both picked me up from jail and been 112 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 1: picked up from jail by me, and that's a special 113 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: kind of friend. But God texted me to answer my 114 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: first question. No, there weren't reruns of sports games on 115 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: TV in nineteen sixty two like there are today, So 116 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: whatever Dan Burrows was watching, it was a game that 117 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: would have been played that day. And God told me 118 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: that the only televised sport on a Saturday in November 119 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: of nineteen sixty two would have been college football, so 120 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: that definitely narrows it down, and I felt satisfied. But 121 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: then recently one of you took this over the finish line. 122 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: There were several college football games on November tenth, nineteen 123 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: sixty two, but CBS aired the Purdue at Michigan State game, 124 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: which Perdue won seventeen to nine. Now doesn't that matter, No, 125 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: not at all, but I feel so much better knowing it, 126 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: and maybe it does kind of drive home the point 127 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: that Dan Burroughs was completely checked out of whatever he 128 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: and John Patler were doing. There's no way he cared 129 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: about either of those teams. He didn't even go to college, 130 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: and he was from the Bronx. He never spent any 131 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: time in Indiana or Michigan, but that football game was 132 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: still more interesting to him than getting arrested with John 133 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: Patler and Eleanor Roosevelt's funeral. So now we know, and 134 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: I realized now that I was going about it all wrong. 135 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: I was trying to find old TV schedules and newspaper 136 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: archives instead of seeking out the online archives of sports 137 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: fanatics researches its own skill. Subject matter expertise can only 138 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: take you so far. You have to know how to 139 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: find what you don't know, so I am grateful to 140 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: all of you who write in to help me fill 141 00:08:52,360 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: in those gaps. Weird Little Guys is a prorection of 142 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: Poolzo Media and iHeartRadio. 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