1 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 1: The search for so called boyfriend Brian Laundry is in 2 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: high gear with the reward of to one hundred and 3 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: seventy thousand dollars. Brian Laundry, the so called boyfriend of 4 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: the Van Life girl Gabby Petito. Her body found out 5 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: in the Elements in the Open and the Grand Tetons 6 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: where the two had been camping. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. 7 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: How in the world did Brian Laundry seemingly slipped through 8 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: the fingers of not only the police, the FEDS and 9 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: the press who had a ring of cameras around his 10 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: whole home, including his backyard. Whereas Laundry right now, take 11 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at WTSPTV new leads in 12 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: the search for Brian Laundry, The Feds investigating new video 13 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 1: of the Laundry family and a phone purchased by Brian 14 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: just days before he went missing. First, though, let's squash 15 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,559 Speaker 1: a rumor that you may have seen on social media tonight. 16 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: There's been some people sharing that Brian was spotted in 17 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 1: North Carolina in the mountains, others saying that he was 18 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: found there, but that is false. According to police officers 19 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,119 Speaker 1: from Newbern PD and the FBI looked into the tips 20 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: that Brian was seen in the city, but they said 21 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: they don't believe he was or is in Newbern, which is, 22 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: by the way, a city on the east coast of 23 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: North Carolina. So where is laundry? And don't be dissuaded 24 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: because one tip was wrong. We need citizen police now 25 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: more than ever. If it had not been for social media, 26 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: we wouldn't have even found Gabby's body, I daresay, joining 27 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: me an all star panel and special guest today, ben 28 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: Levitan Tell, a communications expert joining us out of Raleigh. 29 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: Matthew Mangino, lawyer, former prosecutor, author of The Executioners Told. 30 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: Doctor Sherry Schwartz, forensics psychologist at panthermitigation dot com. Author 31 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 1: of criminal behavior Cheryl McCollum, found a director of the 32 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: Coldcase Research Institute. You can find her at coldcase dot org. 33 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 1: Death investigator Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor forensics, Jacksonville State University, 34 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet and host of a 35 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: brand new hit series, Bodybags. With Joseph Scott Morgan massas 36 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: Sidi joining US investigative reporter w f LA on the 37 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: case from the very beginning, but I want to go 38 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 1: first to another special guest joining us, Hunter Manis, who 39 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: says he saw Brian Laundry in a bar near Yellowstone. 40 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: I'm very curious to hear all the details, Hunter Mannus, 41 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Thank you, Nancy Hunter. 42 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: Can you believe the guy you saw at a bar 43 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: is in the middle of this hell storm? No? Actually, 44 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: at my friend and I actually, at this point I 45 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: wish we had gone to a different restaurant and bar. 46 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 1: Where were you? We were in West Yellowstone, Montana, which 47 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: is it's about a mile and a half outside the 48 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: West Gate of Yellowstone. We were in a bar and 49 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: restaurant called Bullwinkles. Okay, I've camp there many many times. 50 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: In fact, i'd just got back from taking the twins 51 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 1: to Yellowstone. You could spend a month there and not 52 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: see at all. So Hunter man Is joining me, who 53 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: sees Brian Laundry at the Bullwinkles at Yellowstone. Curious, what 54 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: was the date that you saw him? Hunter? It was 55 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: August twenty six, and he was actually in the bar 56 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: already when we went in, which was around ten o'clock, 57 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: and we left the bar a few minutes after twelve 58 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: and he was still there ten pm. Yes, ma'am. So 59 00:03:56,480 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: he was still there and was he alone? For everything 60 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: that we could see? Yes, he was. The bar was 61 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: actually what do you mean by that? Because I was 62 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: expecting a yes. No, Yes, he was alone. The only 63 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: people in the bar were him, two female bartenders, my 64 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 1: friend and I and another couple that we have met 65 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: in the restaurant a few minutes served here. So that's yes, 66 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 1: he was alone. Yes, ten o'clock at night, August the 67 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: twenty six. So that bags don't don't go anywhere, Hunter Madison. 68 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: I want to appreciate, tell you again how thankful we 69 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: are to have you. I mean, I can read about you, 70 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 1: but I want to ask you our own questions, and 71 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: panel jump in with questions from mannis, so where was 72 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: Gabby on August twenty six and how does that fit 73 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: in to the timeline? Straight out to Massa said, joining 74 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: us Massa, we believe, or have believed up until right now, 75 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 1: that Gabby was still alive on August twenty six. Why 76 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: that's exactly right, and believe that Gab was still alive 77 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: on August twenty sixth I can tell you that according 78 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: to a Federal paperwork Court paperwork Gabby sent or someone 79 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: sent a text message from Gabby Petito's phone on August 80 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: twenty seventh. Now, her mother thought that that text message 81 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:23,559 Speaker 1: was very curious because she referred to her grandfather as Stan. 82 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 1: This was something that she had never done before. But 83 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: people had reported seeing Gabby alive in Wyoming on August 84 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: twenty sixth, and the last that her family heard from 85 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: her was a text message that was sent from her 86 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 1: phone on August twenty seventh. He reports seeing her alive 87 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 1: after August twenty six, after August twenty six No reports 88 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: of her alive, that's all you just said, the reports 89 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: of seeing her alive after August twenty six, So, no 90 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 1: reports of anyone seeing her alive. There's just that there's 91 00:05:56,440 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 1: fake text. To Cheryl McCollum, let's weigh in on the timeline. Well, 92 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: we know the last time she faced time with her 93 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: dad was August twenty first. We know there was some 94 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 1: posts on her social media, but again we can't confirm 95 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: she did that. The text some messages, I can already 96 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 1: tell you I have always believed they were bogus, not 97 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: just the one that where she mentions her grandfather is 98 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: stand now, well, can I ask you another question, Cheryl, 99 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 1: go with me on this, and then I'm a circle 100 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 1: back with Ben Levitan, our telecommunications expert joining us out 101 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: of Raleigh. Cheryl, you mentioned some posts after August twenty six, 102 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: but did you notice on those posts after August twenty six, 103 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: for the first time throughout the entire trip, Gabby did 104 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: not geotag the Insta posts. She geo tagged all of 105 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: her posts throughout until then, and suddenly no more geo tagging. 106 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 1: It was almost if someone else sent it. I mean, 107 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: because think about it. You know, I write in a 108 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: certain way. You write me full on paragraph, syntexts, whatever. 109 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: But that was her style, and I think there's a 110 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 1: reason for it. She was building a business. You know 111 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 1: how people start as an I guess you could say 112 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: influencer or let's just say their nutritionist or their dietitian 113 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: or their travel person, and they start a blog. And 114 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: she had this awesome video blog, and it took a 115 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: lot of effort to edit as an amateur to edit 116 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: what she was doing, and it looked very professional and 117 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: very intriguing. I was sucked into it. I liked watching 118 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: what they were doing. It made me want to go along. 119 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: With them. That took a lot of time and effort. 120 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: One of her hallmarks was that she geo tagged, so 121 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: everybody would know where she was when she posted. But 122 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: in those last posts, they were not geo tag to 123 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: my understanding, Cheryl McCollum, I think that's a brilliant point, Nancy. 124 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: And again, I think that's the reason his original phone 125 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,679 Speaker 1: is gone. That's the reason, I think when they're looking 126 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: in the whole other can of worms. But I like 127 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: it the reason his phone was gone. Okay, hunt amanus, 128 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: hold on just a second, friend, because I want you 129 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: to hear something about the so called phone, the so 130 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: called phone that for some reason, like who leaves their 131 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: phone behind? I mean, my toys would rather get their 132 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: thumb cut off rather than leave their phone behind. But 133 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: from what we understand, he left his phone behind. Why 134 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: do you find that significant, sharl McCollum. I think it's 135 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: significant because it's just another red herring from these people. 136 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:46,839 Speaker 1: He left the brand new phone behind easily failed. If 137 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: BI shows up, Mom's like, oh here it is, he 138 00:08:49,600 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 1: left it behind because that phone was clean. Prime Stories 139 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Guys, take a listen to Ark two 140 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: zero two. This is Shannon Chloe ten Tampa Bay debtsp Tonight, 141 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: we've confirmed with Brian Laundry's attorney that he bought a 142 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: phone before he went missing. Stephen Bertolino, who was the 143 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: attorney for the Laundry family, tells me Brian got a 144 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: phone sometime in the month of September. He tells me 145 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,199 Speaker 1: he doesn't know why or exactly where he bought this phone, 146 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: but he did tell me he got it before he 147 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 1: went missing, and he actually left the phone here at 148 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: his home. You could all probably remember that his family 149 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: reported him missing to Northport Police on September seventeenth, his 150 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: family saying the last time they saw him was on 151 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: September fourteenth, when they say he went to the Carlton Reserve. 152 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 1: We can confirm that search continues for Brian Laundry at 153 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 1: the Carlton Reserve, and the lawyer confirming to me that 154 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: the phone is now a the hands of the FBI. 155 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: That would be the new phone. Is that right, Massa said, 156 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: the new phone and he bought is in the hands 157 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: of the FBI. Okay, Ben Levitan, Hey Huncha Mannus, you 158 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: had no idea that what you said about seeing him 159 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: on August twenty six is going to open up this 160 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,559 Speaker 1: can of worms. Hold on, Hunter, ben Levitan, why would 161 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: anybody intentionally lose their phone because they don't want to 162 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: be track? Nancy? I mean, he bought this phone on 163 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: September fifteenth, and he brought a prepaid phone. Where is 164 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: his original phone? Phone? Okay, who's breaking in? Who's that? 165 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: It was Massa. So this is actually the story that 166 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: I'm working on today. The Laundry family attorney gave us 167 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 1: a little bit more details than you just heard from 168 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: that other reporter. We have confirmed through the attorney that 169 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 1: Brian allegedly purchased a new phone on September fourth. The 170 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: attorney says this was not a on her phone. He 171 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: said that he Brian opened an account with AT and T, 172 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: and we're told that on September fourteenth, when according to 173 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:11,319 Speaker 1: his parents, he left to go to the Carlton Reserve, 174 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: he did not have that phone with him. The attorney 175 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 1: telling us that the FBI now has that phone, but 176 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: it was purchased on September four. Hold on, I'm making 177 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: you know that new phone bought September four. Did you 178 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: say four? Yes, Ma, I'm September four at four? No? No, no, 179 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: it's me so master. That's very very probitive in my mind. 180 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: And guys, this is how you build a case. You 181 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: start with one timeline. And just as we've got Hunter 182 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 1: Mannus telling us he sees Brian laundry at Bullwinkle Bar 183 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: and Yellowstone alone ten pm to at least twelve am 184 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: on August twenty six, then you start filling that in. 185 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: You start filling in that Around August twenty six, Gabby 186 00:11:54,720 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: stops geotagging her Insta posts. Why because this is all 187 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: about a travel blog and she wants the geo tachy 188 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: to show people I've been here, this is where I 189 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: really am, this is real. But suddenly she stops. It's 190 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: one of her hallmarks. Then we find out that he 191 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: comes home alone. That's on September one, and now we're 192 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 1: finding out September four he needs a brand new phone. 193 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: Back to you being y ten okay, jump he in 194 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 1: ghost Sheryl. There's something else you need to add your timeline, 195 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: and that is August thirty first, when his mama changes 196 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: the camping dates. That tells me she knew on August 197 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 1: thirty first he was returning home because she changes the 198 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: reservation from two people to three. That's very significant. So 199 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: he's in touch with her. He's in touch with her 200 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: by phone or texts via phone in around home from 201 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: the Grand Teatons to Northport, Florida. And she knows ahead 202 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: of time there's not going to be two camping on 203 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: this waterfront slip. There's going to be three. Brian is 204 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 1: joining us, and then he'll be home the next day 205 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: without Gabby in her van. And she also knows not 206 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: to make that reservation for four because she knows Gabby's 207 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: not coming home. Absolutely. Nancy, I've got one one more 208 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: point along the timeline here that seems to be slipping 209 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 1: past everyone. And maybe I'm wrong, maybe they look somewhere else, 210 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: But I'm thinking about the twenty seventh of August. Wasn't 211 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:32,559 Speaker 1: that the date that they were seen in the restaurant 212 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:36,839 Speaker 1: and he's yelling at the waite staff there and she 213 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: actually comes back in and apologizes on his behalf. You mean, 214 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: was that the merry Pig? Was that on twenty seven? 215 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: Massa said? And Jack, you look it up also, because 216 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: Massa is out in the field right now. Yeah, I'm 217 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: looking at it right now because I know all these dates. 218 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: They're critical and believe you me when you're in front 219 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 1: of a jury. I would have this mapped out with 220 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: my fine old timeline to identify where he was on 221 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: what date. I think it was August twenty seven. Yeah, 222 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:11,679 Speaker 1: he said, the text makes place August twenty seven with her, 223 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: and he throws a big fit. We think about the bill. 224 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: He goes and comes in and out four times, yelling 225 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: at the waitress, and Gabby's thinking, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. 226 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: So that gives me a new perspective on Hunter Mannus. 227 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: Thank you, Jess Scott Morgan. One more, one more, one more. 228 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: It's later that day, thirty miles away Nancy, when the 229 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: family of loggers they're driving through the forest and they 230 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: actually stay. It was only twenty seven. I remember she 231 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: went back through her videography. They saw the van there. 232 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: They saw the van approximating the location where Gabby was 233 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: eventually found. Jump in man. Yeah, and so we've got 234 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: we've got his original phone and we have Gabby's phone. 235 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: Gabby's phone lass sent to text out on August twenty seven. 236 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: When that phone was turned off, thrown away, it reported 237 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: its location to a TVT Where did that phone go 238 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: out of service? Oh? Wait, a minute, you're telling me 239 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: something new. August twenty seven. Now, Cheryl was at the 240 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: fake text to stand. I believe absolutely it was Bogy 241 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: have no question. Okay, hold on August twenty seven, last 242 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: text fake or not? From Gabby? Okay, back to man 243 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: what massa August thirtieth. Posito's mom also had mentioned previously 244 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: in reports she had received a final text in August thirtieth, 245 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: that's according to our reporting. Is that the one that 246 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: said no sales service in Yo seventy? Correct? Yes, correct? Okay, Hunter, 247 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: don't move. I know you're tempted to get up and 248 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: go get a cup of coffee. Don't do it. Wait 249 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: a minute. Being levetteen, you just you just told me 250 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: something important. Well, everything you said was important, but something 251 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: really captured my attention when you said on that text 252 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: aug twenty seven even but on August twenty seven, you 253 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: said at and T would know from where that text 254 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: came from. Okay, expose go through that with me again, 255 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: been Levitan. Okay. Cell phones are real simple. Somebody calls you, 256 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: the call gets routed to the closest cell tower where 257 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: you are, and it broadcast off that cell tower, and 258 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: you get your phone call. Very simple app pets very 259 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: closet track or what cell tower you're closed to. It's 260 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: not going to pinpoint you, but it keeps you close. 261 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: So where was that phone on August twenty seventh when 262 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: the last text without and when you go off network, 263 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: you'd call someone and the your call goes right to 264 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: voice mail, right because ATP knows you have turned off 265 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: your phone. When did this phone turn off? And where 266 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: did it turn off? Okay, I just set up an 267 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: iPad because I've literally worn my iPad into the ground 268 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: and it gave me a choice that I had to 269 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: turn on or off. Like five my iPad, there's a 270 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: choice of do you want a notification to be sent 271 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 1: to whoever I've got at and T E Verizon when 272 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: your iPad powers down, when the battery goes dead? What 273 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 1: does that mean? Being levitanant? How could that play into 274 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: this case? But that sounds like marketing, can me, Nancy? 275 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 1: Because the network knows when your battery goes dead, it 276 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: knows the last self power you were connected to. I 277 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: want to know where this phone was when it powered down? 278 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 1: Did he send that texts on August twenty seventh? Drive 279 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 1: to Kansas and throw it out the window there that 280 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: we need to know when the phones were turned on 281 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: and turned off, and where they were turned on and 282 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 1: turned off, and why on September or fourth he trump 283 00:17:53,400 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: the k to have a clean phone. Prime Stories with 284 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace straight up to Matthew Mangina joining US former 285 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: prosecutor and author of The Executioners told Matthew, why do 286 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: these little details matter so much? Well, they're extremely important 287 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 1: to put a timeline together. And I'm sure that investigators 288 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: in conjunction with prosecutors are looking at these issues right 289 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: now because you want to make sure before you file charges, 290 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:44,400 Speaker 1: before you proceed with this matter, that you've gotted all 291 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: the eyes and crossed the keys. You don't want to 292 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: find that you made a mistake or you missed something. Now, 293 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: there's no rush to file charges in terms of homicide, 294 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 1: there's no rush to prosecute a defend that you haven't 295 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: even found yet. But you want to do this methodical investigation, 296 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 1: piecing together everything that you can so that you don't 297 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: get surprised when trial does roll around. And I find 298 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 1: it very significant to doctor Sherry Schwartz, forensic psychologist and author. 299 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: You know that you're on a cross country trip you 300 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: obviously call or text your mother on August thirty one 301 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: that you're on the way, and then somehow you lose 302 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: that phone. And when you're on a cross country trip, 303 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: doctor Sherry, that's the one thing you have to stay 304 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: in touch with your family is your phone. So we 305 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: know he had it on August thirty one, when mom 306 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,880 Speaker 1: changes the reservation of the campsite from two to three, 307 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: she knows he's coming home, she knows Gabby's not with him. 308 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: He texted her or he called her. How does he, 309 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 1: in the space of one day lose his only connection 310 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: to the world his cell phone. Well, my thoughts on this, Nancy, 311 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: are that his parents are toxic enablers, and so they 312 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: rubber stamp whatever behavior, no matter how bad, clearly, and 313 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: so I think it's entirely possible that mom and Dad 314 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,400 Speaker 1: advise him lose the phone, stop using it. You can 315 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: be tracked that way, and true rewards were never spoken, 316 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: being levity and way in that's true of it. It 317 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:25,919 Speaker 1: doesn't pinpoint you, but if we if he if he 318 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: turns on his phone, the FBI can know exactly where 319 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: it is because once you turn on your phone, it 320 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 1: identifies self art to which you are closest you can 321 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: get to that area, and there's the phone company. Continue, 322 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 1: when you call ninety one one, the phone company pings 323 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: you and gets a location within one hundred and fifty feet. 324 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 1: Once you get to one hundred and fifty feet, the 325 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 1: FBI has equipment that will pinpoint you to exactly where 326 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: you are. So the phone is his first enemy in 327 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: this whole case of her phone is his worst enemy. 328 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: Why do you say that. I'm very curious, why do 329 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: you say the phones are the worst enemies? Brian Laundry. 330 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 1: It's gonna say exactly where her phone was when you 331 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 1: get these records. We know exactly where his phone is 332 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 1: over this entire period of time. We know exactly where 333 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,199 Speaker 1: her phone is. We know when they've been turned and 334 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 1: turned down and turned off. If he took a phone, 335 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: spake text message, I want to know where that text 336 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: message you're sent for from. Then I want to know 337 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 1: when the phone went off the network. When did it 338 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: go off the network? Does he did he break up 339 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 1: her phone? Throw it out? The fact is, if you 340 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: have a phone, whether you turn your location off or not, 341 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: the phone network knows where you are a Nancy. So 342 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: isn't that quite the coincidence, Chryl McCollum. He can text 343 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: or call his mother on August thirty one when she 344 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:58,439 Speaker 1: changes the reservations. But then in the space of twenty 345 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 1: four hours, oops, he loses his phone. Well, let's go 346 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 1: to a premeditation. He lied to law enforcement and said 347 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 1: he didn't have one. That phone has been a central 348 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: part of this thing from the beginning, even before we 349 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: even knew or he even committed the murder. He's lying 350 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: about that phone. And remember Gabby and Brian Laundry were 351 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: fighting because he took her phone and threw him to 352 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 1: leave her phone, and they were fighting over the phone. 353 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: I want to go back to Hunter Manus, who has 354 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: been waiting patiently our special guests joining us along with 355 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 1: Massa Seti. Hunter, please tell me everything you remember about 356 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: seeing Brian Laundry there at Bulwinkles. When we walked from 357 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:47,120 Speaker 1: the restaurant into the bar, he was already in there. 358 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: He was sitting at the short side of the bar 359 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,199 Speaker 1: and the couple we had met a little earlier in 360 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: the restaurant was at the larger side, and like I said, 361 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 1: there were two female bartenders. We sat next to the couple, 362 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: which actually he placed me closest to him. He was 363 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 1: on kind of a short, dull shaped side of the bar, 364 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: and we run alongside. I really didn't pay that close 365 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: of attention to him when we first got in there. 366 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 1: There wasn't really a reason to. We didn't notice that 367 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 1: he had a backpack that was down beside his far 368 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: school because the door entering from the other part of 369 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 1: the building was on that side of the bar. We 370 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 1: started a conversation my friend did with the other couple 371 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,880 Speaker 1: that we had met, and during the conversation, I mean, 372 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,679 Speaker 1: I think I glanced his way once or twice. Again, 373 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,919 Speaker 1: I'm not paying that much attention that nothing stood out 374 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: that much. He just sat there quietly. I did notice 375 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: that he wasn't making conversations, conversation with the bartenders or 376 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: anything like that. And then during our conversation it my 377 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 1: friend and her husband as well as this other couple 378 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: I guess, are big game hunters. They travel and hunt. 379 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 1: So it was a conversation about, you know, the differences 380 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: in Louisiana, and this couple was actually from I believe Wyoming, 381 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 1: and so the difference in animals and the difference in 382 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: hunting and things like that, which led to guns, and 383 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: later on led somewhat into politics, and that's when he 384 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: more or less just abruptly interjected himself into the conversation 385 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 1: and first said something about stupid Southerners and something about 386 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 1: Republicans or Conservatives, and it just it kind of taught 387 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: me off guard because he was somewhat to my back right, 388 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 1: and so I kind of turned around, and at the 389 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 1: time my friend kind of laughed and she said, which 390 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 1: I guess offended her boy than it did me. She said, well, 391 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: you know, stupid Southerners. She said, she and I both 392 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: have doctor in front of our name, do you? And 393 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,199 Speaker 1: he made some kind of smirk and I laughed, and 394 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 1: I said, well, where are you from. I was trying 395 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: to make conversation and kind of lighten what seemed to 396 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: me as kind of an aggressive conversation starter that he 397 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 1: had started. And he said, I'm from New York. And 398 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 1: I kind of laughed, and I said, okay, New York. 399 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,679 Speaker 1: And he said I have a name. It's Brian. I said, okay, 400 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 1: Brian from New York. I said, let me ask you. 401 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,639 Speaker 1: You're in a small town mountain bar in the middle 402 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,640 Speaker 1: of nowhere in Montana, exactly what type of people, did 403 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: you expect to run across? And he just kind of 404 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,120 Speaker 1: looked at me mumbled something under his breath, and as 405 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: far as verbal interaction, that's all we had. We more 406 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 1: or less went back car conversation and he didn't say 407 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: anything else that I recall. I wouldn't turn my back 408 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: on him as much as I had it turned on before, 409 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,479 Speaker 1: because it just made me a little uncomfortable. And my 410 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 1: friend the other couple was leaving, and she mentioned to 411 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: me that she was a little creeked out and that 412 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: he just seemed overly invested in our conversation. She said, 413 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: I feel like would be a watch. This is creeping. 414 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: So we walked outside and there was a patio out back. 415 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: I smoked, she doesn't, so she went outside with me. 416 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: I said come on, and we sat out there a 417 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: few minutes. And when we went back in and I said, look, 418 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: I see if you're uncomfortable, let's move a couple of 419 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 1: seats down, which we did, and he just sat there 420 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 1: and it was more or less like a strange glare 421 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 1: at us. Most of the time. Now, one of the 422 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: questions that has been asked with me a lot, was 423 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:53,159 Speaker 1: he drinking? Because I know it you know she had 424 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 1: said in the body camp footage, they don't drink. Of course, 425 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,959 Speaker 1: you know, most twenty two year olds in a police 426 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: conversation would answer that question the same way. But was 427 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: he drinking? When we walked in, he had a drink 428 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,199 Speaker 1: in front of him. Now, we never heard him or 429 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: saw him order that one or another one, and it 430 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: was dark colored. Now was it an alcohol, a mixed 431 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: drink or was it a Coca Cola? I couldn't say. 432 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 1: But what I will say is when we had the 433 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 1: verbal exchange with him, his speech seemed slurred. My friend 434 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 1: also agreed that it seemed slurred to me. When I 435 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: looked directly at him, his eyes seemed a little bit glassy. 436 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 1: I felt like he was maybe not intoxicated, or possibly intoxicated. 437 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 1: I assumed being in a bar. In his speech slurring 438 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: that it was alcohol, but he was I feel like 439 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: he was on something when you left? What was he 440 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,679 Speaker 1: doing when we left? We actually excited back out the 441 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,120 Speaker 1: front door, and he was still sitting in the same 442 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: place at the bar. And again, you know it, right 443 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: around two hours, he never ordered another drink. I never 444 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: saw him make conversation with the bartenders other than what 445 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 1: he said to us, he literally just sat there time 446 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,919 Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace. That was how jumping is That 447 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: was mad chump. Well, you know, I think that this 448 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: timeline again is very interesting because we continue to see 449 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: a deterioration of their relationship. We had the domestic dispute. 450 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: Now we you know, I happen to have been in 451 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: West l Stone this spring in Boolwinkles and and had dinner. 452 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 1: If you're going to be in there by yourself and 453 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: you're traveling by van, and we have to assume that 454 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:05,479 Speaker 1: the van is out front and your partner is sitting 455 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: in the van by herself or laying there, we know 456 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: she was. She was seeing the following day in the 457 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: restaurant with him. So we see this deterioration of their relationship, 458 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 1: which you know can extend some sort of motive. Here, 459 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 1: there's animosity between them, their string their relationship is stream. 460 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 1: There's been domestic violence, she's been left alone and abandoned, 461 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 1: and now ultimately it culminates possibly in her murder by 462 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 1: Brian Laundry. So so I think this is important because 463 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: it shows him by himself without her and extends this 464 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: strained relationship between the two of them and I'm going 465 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: to say, Cheryl McCollum, if I went on a cross 466 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: country trip with my family with my husband and he 467 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 1: wanted to be alone at a bar as opposed to 468 00:29:56,360 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: being with me and the twins, that would hurt my feelings. 469 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,479 Speaker 1: I mean, just stay at home in the bar if 470 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: that's what you want, right. I think it's important that 471 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: we point out some characteristics that are happening though. When 472 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 1: you start saying things like, you know, dumb Southerners, and 473 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 1: now you're bringing in politics, whether it's Democratic or Republican. 474 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: The level of anger based on just where somebody's from 475 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 1: geographically tells you again about his lack of tolerance, lack 476 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 1: of understanding, lack of empathy, lack of anything. Because again, 477 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: I mean you're talking about Southerners. I mean, come home, 478 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: the microL wave, the handheld calculator, little thing called anastasia. 479 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 1: You're welcome. I mean, we've done some pretty cool things. 480 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: But he's so angry by this man's accent and what 481 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 1: he's saying. It makes no sense except when you look 482 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: at is this person capable of an explosive anger event? Well, 483 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:01,959 Speaker 1: doctor Sherry, I agree with miss Carol completely. She's absolutely 484 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: right and what I was thinking is mister Mannus was talking, 485 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: is that this sullen, sulking behavior that he seems to describe, 486 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 1: he's by himself, he's brooding. This is consistent with what 487 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 1: I recall reading a friend of Gabby said how he 488 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: would behave. That's a really good point because Mannus is 489 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: describing it just the way Gabby's friend described and that's 490 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: a really good connection. Hey, guys, very quickly, I want 491 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 1: to ask Massa said about a can a drink? Can 492 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: that dog the bounty hunter has just found on an 493 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: island or an islet down in Florida? What can you 494 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: tell me, Massa? A lot of people are poo pooing it, 495 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 1: but they poopooed Ryanne Chapman when he started looking for laundry. 496 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: And now he's found all this information about Fort de Soto. 497 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 1: I don't want to discount anything he may find. What 498 00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: can you tell me? Well, I can tell you that 499 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 1: part of dog's tips did it turn out to be true? 500 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 1: We now know that the family was there from the 501 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 1: sixth through the seventh, according to their attorney. I can 502 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 1: also tell you that yesterday the Panellis County Sheriff told 503 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 1: us that they turned surveillance video on Tuesday over to 504 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 1: the FBI. So then I contacted the FBI and I said, hey, 505 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: the Penella Sheriff says, they gave you guys video a 506 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: fourth to Soto on Tuesday. Did you have knowledge of 507 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: it beforehand? Had you previously gotten the video yourself? And 508 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 1: of course they did not answer that question. So a 509 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 1: lot of people thinking that that is funny. As far 510 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 1: as what was happening at forth to Soto, Yes, Dog 511 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 1: the bounty hunter has been there with some canine fellow 512 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 1: investigator friends of his, doing a search down there. Law 513 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 1: enforcement has not been there. We have flown over that scene. 514 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: We have seen nothing there. But Nancy, this is possibly 515 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 1: the most interesting thing that happened yesterday at the Carlton 516 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 1: Reserve on the Venice side. This is the side that 517 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 1: is further away from his home, that is dryer, more open, 518 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: I can tell you. According to our chief photojournalist Paul Lamerson, 519 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 1: yesterday Wednesday, September twenty ninth, from about two forty five 520 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: pm until five o nine pm, the Sarasota Sheriff helicopter 521 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 1: was flying over this one area again for more than 522 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 1: two hours. We were looking at that via flight tracking service. 523 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 1: And also in addition to that, I'm understanding Massa said 524 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 1: joining us that a fresh campsite has been found in 525 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 1: a quote perfect spot for Brian Laundry to hide, including 526 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: a Monster Energy Ultry Goal drink, which is the type 527 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 1: of drink we saw his mother purchasing. Does anybody know 528 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 1: about that? Yeah, I'm looking at picture right now. First off, 529 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 1: if anybody sees dog the bounty hunter DOMI a favor, 530 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 1: tell him not to touch the freaking can with his 531 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,800 Speaker 1: bare hands, because I'm looking. I'm looking at the photograph 532 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: right now, and he's holding it with his bare hands. 533 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 1: That this is a piece of evidence. It should have 534 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 1: been bagged appropriately. At least put gloves on if you're 535 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,880 Speaker 1: going to do this, because now if you're saying that 536 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,839 Speaker 1: this is connected to Brian Laundry, you've just you've bespoiled 537 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: the evidence potentially. Okay, got it, He should a touch ship. 538 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 1: But I want to talk about the can. It's been 539 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 1: found in eggmont Key State Park on Shell Island off 540 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,879 Speaker 1: the coast of Florida. How far is that from Camp 541 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: de Soda where he was earlier. I believe it's about 542 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,400 Speaker 1: two miles off, but I'll double check that can shows 543 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:48,399 Speaker 1: no sign of rust or fading, suggesting that it was new. 544 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,760 Speaker 1: Had just been consumed that the mother of Brian Laundry 545 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 1: bought the very same brand when they went on their 546 00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:00,959 Speaker 1: camping trip. Okay, that's my understanding, but we're traking down 547 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,320 Speaker 1: the photo of that to make sure that's the very latest. 548 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,279 Speaker 1: A tip line is one eight hundred and two two 549 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,359 Speaker 1: five five, three two four. The reward is now up 550 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: to one hundred and seventy thousand dollars in the search 551 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:20,360 Speaker 1: for Brian Laundry. Nancy Grace crime story signing off Goodbye friend,