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Speaker 1: you what a great night for mandatory Psycho. Yes, Bernhard
Speaker 1: psychovis who who really was the inspiration the trash talking
Speaker 1: in German. Whether the translation was accurate or not, it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, but the tweet was out there, and you
Speaker 1: know what, he set the tone for the Lakers series.
Speaker 1: And now it's beat La times two as the Clippers
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Speaker 1: We are Santanford, Paul kelvc Ron Wolfley and soon to
Speaker 1: be joined by the Cardinals player from the International Pathway Program,
Speaker 1: Bernhard Psychovits and wolf Let's just say he made a
Speaker 1: comment in the offseason that I think is going to
Speaker 1: make him one of your favorite guys, just based on
Speaker 1: the mentality and mindset of the guy we're calling Psycho. So, Paully,
Speaker 1: what exactly are you talking about? Because I actually had
Speaker 1: the opportunity to meet Bernhard Psycho bits. Really there's a
Speaker 1: name drop. Wow, Okay, right out of the gate we
Speaker 1: get a flex from Ron Wolfley, no doubt about it.
Speaker 1: Paully had the chance to meet him, and let me
Speaker 1: just say I was very, very hopeful after our conversation
Speaker 1: just talking to him. Psycho is what he prefers to
Speaker 1: be called, right, not obviously in the terms of a
Speaker 1: psycho path, but he goes by Psycho. That's what everybody
Speaker 1: calls him. Of course, everybody he's been in the locker
Speaker 1: room with, they call him Psycho. And that's what I'm
Speaker 1: gonna call him tonight when we talk to him, not Bernhard,
Speaker 1: I'm calling him Psycho. That's his nickname. That's what he
Speaker 1: goes by, even in the locker room balling. Well, look,
Speaker 1: you guys share one thing in common. It might be
Speaker 1: the only thing, but it's a big thing, and it's
Speaker 1: the reason you both play and played the game of football.
Speaker 1: We'll get into that a little bit later. We do
Speaker 1: know that one other definite directive from the top the GM,
Speaker 1: Steve Kim, was to find guys who love the game
Speaker 1: of football this offseason to the point where you know
Speaker 1: what they're gonna bring, the leadership, they're gonna bring the
Speaker 1: physicality and right out of the gates Wolf. Because you've
Speaker 1: talked about it over and over again and I think
Speaker 1: it's what all eyes are gonna be on when the
Speaker 1: preseason starts, especially when the regular season starts in Tennessee
Speaker 1: Week one. Steve Kim on that leadership that he hope
Speaker 1: just permeates that entire locker room. Here's the GM two
Speaker 1: of our offseason goals. I think that really stand out
Speaker 1: to me was becoming more physical as a football team
Speaker 1: and adding leadership to our locker room. And I think
Speaker 1: that in many respects, I call itself policing your locker room,
Speaker 1: which we can't go home with these guys at night.
Speaker 1: We can't tell them how much tape to watch. They
Speaker 1: have to do it on their own. They have to
Speaker 1: have the passion and the want to. And those three editions, certainly,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, have really raised the bar for us
Speaker 1: in that respect. And he's talking about JJ Watt and
Speaker 1: Rodney Hudson and AJ Green in particular, all three guards
Speaker 1: guys part of that twenty eleven draft class. And to me, Wolf,
Speaker 1: he's trying to change the DNA of this team from
Speaker 1: the inside out. No, that is a great way of
Speaker 1: putting it, Paully right there. It's all about your leaders
Speaker 1: walking around and modeling what it is that you believe
Speaker 1: in and how they play, how they go about their business, Paul,
Speaker 1: In the game of football, do you think knocking people
Speaker 1: to the ground is a big deal? Do you think
Speaker 1: that is big that checks a big box, Paully. Do
Speaker 1: you think there are players that respect that when they
Speaker 1: see another guy knock another man to the ground, right,
Speaker 1: or whip another man physically, Whether you're running a route
Speaker 1: and you do it in a physical way, aj Green,
Speaker 1: whether you're line up and your JJ want and you
Speaker 1: arm under, rip on somebody, get the edge, make a sack,
Speaker 1: just physically whip somebody. Man. This game is about beating people.
Speaker 1: It's about driving people into the ground. It still is, PAULI.
Speaker 1: Even though it's not nearly as brutal as at once was.
Speaker 1: This game is still about forcibly removing another man from
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. It will always be about that.
Speaker 1: And when you do that, and when you do it well, Paul,
Speaker 1: the respect level just goes up in the locker room tremendously.
Speaker 1: And then that guy who's got all that cred, all
Speaker 1: that respect, walks around and then challenges his teammates to
Speaker 1: do the same thing. It's a mentality, Paul, that takes
Speaker 1: over a locker room. And it's not just the addition
Speaker 1: of a JJ Water, Rodney Hudson and AJ Green. It's
Speaker 1: the addition of a Brian Winners, a Maller right card
Speaker 1: his job to lose. It's the addition of a big back,
Speaker 1: of bruising running back like James Connery two. And then
Speaker 1: you have even a cornerback like Malcolm Butler. A quick anecdote,
Speaker 1: I had a chance to talk with Rob Moore, former
Speaker 1: Cardinals greater receiver, now the receiver's coach for the Tennessee Titans.
Speaker 1: What was the last team for Malcolm Butler? And where
Speaker 1: is he coming from? Yeah, Tennessee, Paul and so there.
Speaker 1: And as soon as I mentioned Malcolm Butler, Rob Moore said, oh, oh,
Speaker 1: he'll fight you on every down, now, street rat, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was the way. That's by design, is it not? Wolf?
Speaker 1: I mean, Steve conn went out and targeted these guys.
Speaker 1: I guess my question is why what did he see?
Speaker 1: Obviously there are needs and wants every offseason, why did
Speaker 1: he target this particular area right Bally, First of all,
Speaker 1: let me just say I was answering your question rhetorically,
Speaker 1: of course, right because I assume that's how you asked it.
Speaker 1: Right there was Tennessee indeed, of course. And let me
Speaker 1: just say this right now that when you bring a
Speaker 1: guy like Malcolm Butler in right now, Paul, you're you're
Speaker 1: you're what do I call you? I call you the wolverine.
Speaker 1: That's what I call you. Why do I call you that?
Speaker 1: Because you don't want to back Paul KELVC to a
Speaker 1: corner place the staff all right, I see him to
Speaker 1: take a bottle over the head. Now listen, Paul, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to talk about that right now. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying there are guys. It doesn't matter what your size are,
Speaker 1: what your size is, I should say, there are guys
Speaker 1: that go out there on the field and they play
Speaker 1: much bigger than their stature. Malcolm Butler is that guy.
Speaker 1: He is a dog through and through. And Paulie, this
Speaker 1: is what Steve kind clearly when you look at the
Speaker 1: six names that you wrote down, here are there are
Speaker 1: guys on this list. When you're talking about Malcolm Butler,
Speaker 1: James Connor, Brian Winters, JJ Watt, Rodney Hudson, and AJ Green,
Speaker 1: those guys are all dogs. And now you put him
Speaker 1: in a locker room that has some notable dogs as well,
Speaker 1: including guys like Marcus Golden and Chandler Jones. I expect
Speaker 1: really good things from this culture change, the physicality, the accountability,
Speaker 1: that leadership. Buddha Baker was talking about the defense and
Speaker 1: his quote this offseason was quote, we're able. We're now
Speaker 1: able to hold each other accountable. Yeah, that's something that
Speaker 1: guys haven't really done the past few years, hold each
Speaker 1: other accountable. That's Buddha Baker, all Pro Safety talking about.
Speaker 1: There was a need for that accountability. So yeah, that
Speaker 1: sort of leadership. Yeah, that physicality, and when it comes
Speaker 1: to the XS and os, I'm real curious, Well, if
Speaker 1: what does this mean, for example, in the Cardinals run game. Yes,
Speaker 1: for example, here's DJ Humphries when Sean Coogler was promoted
Speaker 1: to run game coordinator. Right, and that was back in January.
Speaker 1: Here's what the Cardinals left tackle had to say. I
Speaker 1: know who Cooks is, and I know if he's involved,
Speaker 1: I know we're gonna be downhill and we're gonna be
Speaker 1: running that people, and we're gonna be physical because that's
Speaker 1: just what he coached. That's that's who we are as
Speaker 1: a unit. I'm so excited. Congratulations to him, super excited
Speaker 1: for my guy Coops. So to what degree, and I've
Speaker 1: said this for years, are the Cardinals about to hit
Speaker 1: the big red rees? Said Button again, Wolf, And do
Speaker 1: you expect the offense to look a little different, especially
Speaker 1: that run game? I do, Polly, I do you know? Again,
Speaker 1: it is going to be the biggest thing that I'm
Speaker 1: looking for going into the regular season. I don't know
Speaker 1: how much we're gonna see during preseason. Of course, only
Speaker 1: three preseason games, and once again we know that Cliff
Speaker 1: Kingsbury likes to play it very close to the vest
Speaker 1: and not tip his hand in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if we're going to see it
Speaker 1: in the preseason. But man, I am certainly interested in
Speaker 1: how the Arizona Cardinals in rundown situation are going to
Speaker 1: line up and whether or not with a guy like
Speaker 1: James Connor who's two hundred and thirty two pounds, even
Speaker 1: Chase Edmonds runs the ball very well in between the tackles.
Speaker 1: To see them line up and actually try to hammer
Speaker 1: the ball in between the tackles, that to me is
Speaker 1: the biggest question I have going into training camp. How
Speaker 1: often are you going to put Kyler Murray under center,
Speaker 1: and what kind of play action game are you going
Speaker 1: to tie into that off that hammering of the box.
Speaker 1: We know he has a brand new center and Rodney Hudson.
Speaker 1: The question on that offensive line is right guard. We
Speaker 1: mentioned Brian Winners six four three, twenty and eight year
Speaker 1: vet with the Jets in Buffalo most recently. You got
Speaker 1: Justin Murray who's had seven starts a year ago at
Speaker 1: thirteen starts twenty nineteen. Josh Jones, the rookie third rounder
Speaker 1: yesterday from last year that is six seven three ten right,
Speaker 1: four year starter at left tackle at Houston. He's in
Speaker 1: the mix. Max Garcia is in the mix, but once again,
Speaker 1: Brian Winners is the guy they target in free agency.
Speaker 1: Here's the GM on the potential starting right guard. The
Speaker 1: addition of Brian Winners excites me. He's a guy that
Speaker 1: I've watched for years, dating back to Kent State when
Speaker 1: he came out. Really physical player, smart, really good quickness
Speaker 1: in a short area, and I think he does a
Speaker 1: great job in pass protection. So he's a guy that
Speaker 1: certainly will have a chance to compete. Not a lot
Speaker 1: of position battles going into camp I'm thinking cornerback two perhaps,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you have some different but right
Speaker 1: guard is probably gonna be the biggest position battle I
Speaker 1: would imagine going into camp. No, you're right about that,
Speaker 1: Bally right guard right justin Murray. Of course, maybe Josh
Speaker 1: Jones getting some reps at right guard as well, Brian Winners.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be Yeah, that's gonna be one of the
Speaker 1: more hotly contested positions. Baali. And you know your point
Speaker 1: about what will Cliff Kingsbury show in the preseason, because
Speaker 1: year number one, twenty nineteen, he showed nothing and what
Speaker 1: happened the first half of the first game was arguably
Speaker 1: the worst half of offensive football the Cardinals have played
Speaker 1: in the Cliff Kingsbury era against Detroit right they didn't
Speaker 1: have a preseason last year. And remember on the Coaches
Speaker 1: Show he said as much that he regretted and perhaps
Speaker 1: learned a lesson. So I'm wondering how much more they
Speaker 1: do show this August in the three preseason games about it.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you gotta line up and just be better than
Speaker 1: your opponent. Paul, will we come back. We're gonna line
Speaker 1: up and unleash mandatory Psycho bernhard'sych of. It's next on
Speaker 1: The Big Red Rage. How did you get into football? Well?
Speaker 1: What was that process like? If if you getting introduced
Speaker 1: to the sport as a kid coming from Europe, every
Speaker 1: young kid starts with soccer, but I never really enjoyed
Speaker 1: it a lot. What I like most about football is
Speaker 1: like the physicality and you can do stuff you can
Speaker 1: really not do in real life, Like you can hit
Speaker 1: people and you can lose your mind. Basically, I don't
Speaker 1: know that really excites me and I couldn't find it
Speaker 1: in soccer. Well, if there you go. That's the answer
Speaker 1: to the question we pose in the first segment here
Speaker 1: and the Big Red Rage presented by Santan Ford and Gilbert.
Speaker 1: What do you four time Special Team Pro Bowler and
Speaker 1: Wedgebuster have in comment with Bernhard's psyche it's one of
Speaker 1: the newest Arizona Cardinals and if nothing else, mentality and mindset, physicality, Polly,
Speaker 1: that's what we have, Ding Ding Ding when her chickened
Speaker 1: and her yeah, I mean there's no way he could
Speaker 1: have continued to be a quarterback over in Europe. You know,
Speaker 1: good thing he changed positions. We can't answer. It's all
Speaker 1: about you presented by Santan Ford in Gilbert and when
Speaker 1: no further ado Bernhard's psychists joins us on the big
Speaker 1: red rate. Bernard, how are we doing tonight? That's so guys,
Speaker 1: I'm great. How are you doing great? Now? Is it
Speaker 1: okay if I call you Psycho? Because I've met you, right,
Speaker 1: I've met you, and I hope you remember meeting me
Speaker 1: in the conversation that we had. I am the color
Speaker 1: analyst for the Arizona Cardinals, and I hope it's okay
Speaker 1: if I call you Psycho? Is that all right? Bernhard?
Speaker 1: Of course yes, I remember the meeting. You told me
Speaker 1: the first thing you told miss that you love playing chickoff.
Speaker 1: It was it was so liberating. If you can imagine
Speaker 1: Psycho running down the field and there were four men
Speaker 1: that were three hundred pounds the size of Saturn's third moon,
Speaker 1: and you had to take two of those men out
Speaker 1: to the wedge. Is no longer allowed in the game
Speaker 1: of football. And that is what I did for ten years.
Speaker 1: And Buddy, I gotta tell you, I think you would
Speaker 1: have been really really good at sticking your face onto
Speaker 1: a man's sternum and breaking it. I'll tell you what
Speaker 1: I tell you what he remembers. That's his first takeaway. Wolf.
Speaker 1: His other takeaway, I guaranteed is who's the guy with
Speaker 1: a pro wrestler voice? That's that's his other takeaway. Right,
Speaker 1: I'm talking to a guy. Now, wait a bit of ball.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, I've got to ask you this right
Speaker 1: off the top two? What is the best food in Austria? Oh,
Speaker 1: the best food. I gotta go with the schnitzel. Oh,
Speaker 1: I think it's also something you know, Yes, the schnitzel. Okay,
Speaker 1: that to be right there, I'd have to go to Vienna,
Speaker 1: all right, in order to get the best with the
Speaker 1: last name like wolf Ley and your German heritage. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, it's all about the schnitzel with the wolf.
Speaker 1: Let let's just put it that way. What are you
Speaker 1: missing the most from Austria in the homeland, Bernhard? What
Speaker 1: are you missing the most being here in Arizona? Um?
Speaker 1: First off, I really felt really welcomed at the Cardinals,
Speaker 1: and everybody took great care of me. So it was
Speaker 1: a really smooth transition for me. Um. Even um, even
Speaker 1: though I don't have family or any friends are new
Speaker 1: from before over here. Um. But to be honest the most,
Speaker 1: Like the biggest thing I miss is the family of course,
Speaker 1: like missing seeing them all the time and my granddad
Speaker 1: and all that. Um. Um. So I'm really looking forward
Speaker 1: going back home for for like short two weeks before
Speaker 1: I come back again. Um. But to be honest them,
Speaker 1: it's been pretty good over here, so I haven't been
Speaker 1: homesick or anything. So how is it going for you
Speaker 1: here your experience in the National Football League? How's it going? Um,
Speaker 1: It's going pretty pretty good, um, I believe. I mean
Speaker 1: we're practicing hard every day, um um, putting everything in
Speaker 1: we have. Um. Um. The transition so far has been
Speaker 1: really smooth. As I said, um Um, I came in
Speaker 1: and I thought it would be a little bit more
Speaker 1: up temple, but I guess the okas this year are
Speaker 1: um I don't know how to say it, but like
Speaker 1: we only had helmets on and stuff like that, so um,
Speaker 1: it wasn't too taxing on the body. Um. But I
Speaker 1: guess for a rookie that's good because you can kind
Speaker 1: of smooth in there. But yeah, it's it's been pretty good. Um.
Speaker 1: I'm still trying to meet everybody at the facility, which
Speaker 1: is pretty hard for me. Remembering all the names and stuff. Um,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna get there. The last time he met
Speaker 1: the media, and we're on board with Bernhard's Psyche it's
Speaker 1: newest Arizona Cardinals. Tight end. You were still in quarantine
Speaker 1: in a hotel room. You had just arrived from Europe.
Speaker 1: So what have you learned so far about the NFL
Speaker 1: that perhaps you didn't know? Um? I mean I came
Speaker 1: in prepared to kind of this business monster the NFL,
Speaker 1: like the cup throat style, but I've I've as I said,
Speaker 1: I walked into a facility everybody welcome with open arms,
Speaker 1: so I didn't really feel any of that. Um. It's
Speaker 1: it's honestly, it's just been a great experience and I
Speaker 1: have fun every day I walk in there and get
Speaker 1: to work. And that's also really rewarding because all the
Speaker 1: time playing in Europe and like not getting anything out
Speaker 1: of the sport except for playing the sport that you
Speaker 1: love with your friends. But now you even get like
Speaker 1: like a reward, like actual money reward, which is really
Speaker 1: cool for me. M Yeah, that's probably the biggest change
Speaker 1: for me. Psycho are you Are you honestly a celebrity
Speaker 1: over in Austria? Right, I mean, how many guys are
Speaker 1: playing in the National Football League, How many guys actually
Speaker 1: have the opportunity to play in the National Football League
Speaker 1: walking around Austria, do do your friends know that? How
Speaker 1: big of a deal is that? I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: want to say it's like a really big deal, but
Speaker 1: of course, like the football community in Austria which is
Speaker 1: growing every day, I guess everybody knows about it, and
Speaker 1: people are really intrigued by it, especially the young players
Speaker 1: that I've even coached at the Vikings and all the
Speaker 1: other teams are really like happy for me and into it,
Speaker 1: because that's everybody's dream, even if you grow up in Austria.
Speaker 1: Of course it seems so far away. But if if,
Speaker 1: even if only if one guy makes it, or like
Speaker 1: gets a chance in the NFL to make it, that
Speaker 1: fuels a lot of young kids all went off to
Speaker 1: in Europe. I've been talking to kids from Germany, from Swiss.
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of people people reached out to me,
Speaker 1: and it's it's just really humbling to see what kind
Speaker 1: of like effect you have on young people back home.
Speaker 1: Very cool Bernhard's side. If it's our guests from the
Speaker 1: International Pathway Program on the Cardinals roster competing for a
Speaker 1: spot and Wolf. To answer your question, just go ahead
Speaker 1: and go to Twitter and check the hashtag German bird Gang,
Speaker 1: Okay or Vienna Vikings. I mean, yeah, he's a big deal,
Speaker 1: no doubt about it. Going back to how you got
Speaker 1: into football, you said, if I saw this correctly, you
Speaker 1: fell in love with football after your first Oklahoma drill.
Speaker 1: Is that accurate? Yes, that's accurate. I mean I'm back
Speaker 1: in the days in Vienna. The coaches used to be
Speaker 1: pretty old school, I would say, so the first thing
Speaker 1: the rookies would do is like tackling drills and one
Speaker 1: really big tackling drillers of course, the Oklahoma drill. And
Speaker 1: still to this state, I always see the young guys,
Speaker 1: the under ten guys doing tackling drews and Oklahoma drews,
Speaker 1: and yeah, like the first d it I felt weird
Speaker 1: at the first, but I don't know, I kind of
Speaker 1: enjoyed it, and yeah, that's what made me stick to
Speaker 1: the sport. So Psycho, I was a fullback for ten
Speaker 1: years in the National Football League, a blocking fullback. They
Speaker 1: did not give me the ball. I had twenty three
Speaker 1: receptions in ten years. If you can imagine that twenty
Speaker 1: three in ten years. So those are all checked out.
Speaker 1: Knock it off, Paul, it was not they hit me
Speaker 1: in the flat on multiple occasions. Okay, UM, how many
Speaker 1: times would you like to be put into a three
Speaker 1: point stance in the I formation? I'll ask you that,
Speaker 1: would you are you are they putting you in that?
Speaker 1: Or would you like to be put at that? Um?
Speaker 1: As of right now, I have not been put in that,
Speaker 1: but I will, of course do whatever coach asks for me.
Speaker 1: I'm not afraid of any challenge. I think, Um, if
Speaker 1: it helps you to you, of course I would do that. Um.
Speaker 1: But I also think that I have upsides in the
Speaker 1: catching game, of course, passing game. Um. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: just enjoyed playing the sport. I've played numerous positions growing up,
Speaker 1: and I've enjoyed every one of them. So I don't
Speaker 1: think it would be a problem for me. Okay, Psycho
Speaker 1: on that note right there, would rather catch a touchdown
Speaker 1: pass or knock somebody on their butt? I think I
Speaker 1: think those are pretty much on the same level. Um.
Speaker 1: Like I really enjoyed like the physical physicality of the game. Yes, um,
Speaker 1: and when you just man handle another guy that is
Speaker 1: a grown up man just like you are. That's that's
Speaker 1: a really great feeling. But also, um, running away from
Speaker 1: someone or choking someone else to catch to touch some
Speaker 1: it's also a really vorting feeling for me. That's a
Speaker 1: good answer right there. We'll see Wolf had a regroup
Speaker 1: with another question because he failed yet again to put
Speaker 1: a fullback into Cliff Kingsbury's offense, so he had to
Speaker 1: change directions and call an audible right there. You know,
Speaker 1: when you met the media initially, you said that you
Speaker 1: felt like you're ready to compete at this level. Have
Speaker 1: you proved? Has that proven? Have you seen from what
Speaker 1: you've seen? How confident are you you can compete when
Speaker 1: training camp comes around? Um? So, of course, growing up overseas, UM,
Speaker 1: I never watched the NFL game live, so I could
Speaker 1: never or college games, so I could never see how
Speaker 1: big the buddies really are or how fast they move. Um.
Speaker 1: So the biggest thing for me coming over here, the
Speaker 1: first thing I wanted to see for myself is how
Speaker 1: big are they? How fast are they? U? And even
Speaker 1: as I said, we didn't do any like we just
Speaker 1: had helmets on, so we didn't go head to head
Speaker 1: or like man on man blocking or any of this.
Speaker 1: But seeing that from the physical standpoint, I'm right with
Speaker 1: those guys gave me confidence in myself. So now it's just, um,
Speaker 1: can I play better football than those guys? Um? Can
Speaker 1: I learn the playbook faster? And yeah, especially things like
Speaker 1: learning the playbook? I think that's one hundred percent on me.
Speaker 1: So if I really study my playbook, which I am, UM,
Speaker 1: I think I can show the coaches that I'm a
Speaker 1: fast learner. And UM, I hope they start trusting me
Speaker 1: more and more. And who knows what happens after this. Um,
Speaker 1: how do you say I'm going to kick your butt
Speaker 1: in German? How do you say that? Do you know
Speaker 1: how to do that? Psycho? I mean yeah, it would
Speaker 1: be created at the end in ash. I don't know
Speaker 1: what you said, but I like, yeah, well it sounds
Speaker 1: like you just change one letter at the end of
Speaker 1: that three letter work. That's what you just How Psycho,
Speaker 1: how is the playbook and learning the offense? How is
Speaker 1: it coming to you? Is it? Is it easier than
Speaker 1: you thought it was going to be? Um? No, it's not.
Speaker 1: I mean I expected I expected the worst, of course, Um.
Speaker 1: Coming from Europe, always here the exotic playbooks and how
Speaker 1: many players you have? UM. But UM, Lucky for me, UM,
Speaker 1: we ran a similar UM like scheme back in Vienna,
Speaker 1: also like spread offense no hutle offense. So I'm so
Speaker 1: I'm used to a lot of UM, a lot of
Speaker 1: the thinking behind the playbook. UM. Of course it's all
Speaker 1: new words and how we call stuff and UM and
Speaker 1: all that, but UM, the general idea behind UM the
Speaker 1: scheme is pretty similar. So I guess that helped me. UM. So,
Speaker 1: so it's going pretty good. I would sorry. In fact,
Speaker 1: Drew Grigson was on director of player Personnel here on
Speaker 1: the Big Red Rage recently, and I think the question
Speaker 1: let's find out was indeed about you and your ability
Speaker 1: to pick things up in the playbook rolling bernhardake it.
Speaker 1: I've been impressed with him already, just with him picking
Speaker 1: up what we've thrown at him so far. He hasn't
Speaker 1: been swimming in it. I thought that's where he would
Speaker 1: be at this point. And you know, with that allocation,
Speaker 1: we may again lucky with that one. There you go,
Speaker 1: that's a nice compliment coming from one of the decision
Speaker 1: makers right there. And I know you told the media
Speaker 1: maybe it was the German media that you do have
Speaker 1: a chip on your shoulder. A lot of guys come
Speaker 1: in a chip on their shoulder for various reasons, you know,
Speaker 1: their draft status, what have you. Even Tom Brady still
Speaker 1: has that chip on his shoulder pad right from being
Speaker 1: a six round pick. And to you, it was sort
Speaker 1: of that international angle, right that in your words you said,
Speaker 1: and you can elaborate on this, you know, hey, for
Speaker 1: the most part, no one thinks I can play football
Speaker 1: because I'm coming from Austria. Is there some accuracy to that?
Speaker 1: That's exactly how it's still a few But no offense
Speaker 1: to any of the coaches over here, of course. I
Speaker 1: mean if I would be in their shoes, I would
Speaker 1: probably few of the same because they have never been
Speaker 1: in contact with football in auster or even an auster
Speaker 1: and football player, So how would they know that we
Speaker 1: actually played football over there in Austere. But um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, as I said, every day I come in, UM,
Speaker 1: I try to make the best of it and I
Speaker 1: try to prove that I'm um not just another guy
Speaker 1: or um not just the international guy um that is here.
Speaker 1: But I'm trying to prove that I, um actually can't play.
Speaker 1: So it'sycho. What is Salzburg like sis Book? Yes, Um
Speaker 1: Sizbook is a really nice um. It's it's it's not
Speaker 1: not as big as Vienna Um not not not as
Speaker 1: many people there, but it's a really historic place. A
Speaker 1: lot of old like houses and um Um palace. You
Speaker 1: could say, I guess like Villa's fortress, a really big
Speaker 1: ski resort. They got a fortress there, a castle there somewhere.
Speaker 1: A lot of castles in austri and general are almost
Speaker 1: every like hill there's castle, So you could since you
Speaker 1: can really start getting into all the medieval time and
Speaker 1: trying to think high wall aspect, then let's just say
Speaker 1: Wolf is really excited if the NFL plays international games
Speaker 1: in Germany and the Cardinals are in one of those games. Yeah,
Speaker 1: is there one guy who's really last question, real quick,
Speaker 1: one guy has really impressed you, Bernhard, one guy like man,
Speaker 1: whether it's J. J. Watt or Kyler Murray, is there
Speaker 1: this one guy You're like, Wow, Okay, that's the NFL. Um.
Speaker 1: Of course, when I first saw J. J. Watt, I
Speaker 1: was impressed by his cusique, but more in my position,
Speaker 1: I'm really impressed by Max, Like how detailed he knows everything.
Speaker 1: Like for us Rucaus, it's like when we talk over stuff,
Speaker 1: it like we have to think about it a little
Speaker 1: bit and then we come up with the right answer
Speaker 1: most of the time. But for him it's like shooting
Speaker 1: out of the pistol. So um, I kind of set
Speaker 1: my benchmark there to like, that's how I went on
Speaker 1: all the playbook and um. And Max Williams is a
Speaker 1: big time guy to emulate, no doubt about. Thank you
Speaker 1: back right after this on the Big Red Rage. All right,
Speaker 1: thank you guys, thank you. Second down and ten back
Speaker 1: to throw flack oh sacked by guardack. Oh, my goodness,
Speaker 1: what a move by Dennis Gardak. The barbarian came inside hair,
Speaker 1: flying blacko in the pocket, gonna get hit and sack
Speaker 1: Dennis Gardak got him again. And then Dennis Gardak doing
Speaker 1: an interesting sack dance where he just kind of bounced
Speaker 1: back and forth on his feet with his hands out,
Speaker 1: palms up. I don't know what he was asking for.
Speaker 1: What is good? Guard Dennis Gardak got up and did
Speaker 1: a little barbarian dance around the fire as one of
Speaker 1: the two popular sack dances he had. One was titled
Speaker 1: hit the Strobe so there was, there was I'm trying
Speaker 1: to remember the other one. Um, but you know, seven
Speaker 1: sacks in ninety three defensive snaps. I mean, think about
Speaker 1: that production. It's just a good ball absurd. It is
Speaker 1: a big red rage presented by santan Ford and Gilbert.
Speaker 1: We are santan Ford special thanks to Bernhard's psychovits. How
Speaker 1: about that? That was outstanding on so many levels. Wolf.
Speaker 1: How about the news that the Oklahoma drill is alive
Speaker 1: and well in Europe? How about that? Yeah, not a surprise,
Speaker 1: right there, Paulie. Honestly, you line up and see who's
Speaker 1: the better man on any given play. Let me tell you,
Speaker 1: it is a tribal thing to do. It truly is
Speaker 1: the most intense part of practice you'll ever see or
Speaker 1: ever come across. And after three months here in Arizona,
Speaker 1: he's an official resident because he survived one eighteen and
Speaker 1: he survived what six straight days of one fifteen plus,
Speaker 1: so boom, he's officially a resident of the az So
Speaker 1: looking forward to seeing what he brings in camp, especially
Speaker 1: when they put on the pads and we'll see how
Speaker 1: he holds up at the point of attack. No surprise
Speaker 1: that he's been oppressed by Max Williams, who's able to
Speaker 1: excel one of those duel tight ends. And then how
Speaker 1: could you not be impressed by what Dennis Gardeck did
Speaker 1: a year ago. The only reason he got into that
Speaker 1: Jets game Wolf was because it was a dire emergency.
Speaker 1: There was Chandler Jones in the sideline. I vividly remember
Speaker 1: MetLife Stadium, eighty thousand seats all empty. We're on the
Speaker 1: mezzanine level, and you could hear this sideline better than
Speaker 1: you could in a regular game when you're standing on
Speaker 1: the sideline. It was just it was And then there's
Speaker 1: Chandler with a torn biceps tendon and Guardeck. No one
Speaker 1: truly knew what was going to happen. Give me your
Speaker 1: take as you look back now on what he was
Speaker 1: able to accomplish last year rushing the past. Well, Paula,
Speaker 1: you've already said it right there. I mean the fact
Speaker 1: he had seven sacks and ninety three snaps, that is
Speaker 1: just a ridiculous ratio right there. I that's got to
Speaker 1: be Lawrence Taylor's stuff. And yet here's a guy that
Speaker 1: does it completely different than Lawrence Taylor did it. Because
Speaker 1: he's a motor guy. That's what he is. He's a
Speaker 1: guy that is an effort guy, a guy that plays
Speaker 1: very very well in transition on special teams, special teams
Speaker 1: captain of course for the Arizona Cardinals. But you know what, listen,
Speaker 1: he's just a guy that you can bring in and
Speaker 1: get some quality snaps from and that is fantastic. I
Speaker 1: love the fact that Dennis Gardeck is going to be
Speaker 1: part of this team going forward. He ended up second
Speaker 1: in sacks on the Cardinals defense. Think about that. And
Speaker 1: that's despite missing the last two games. Because remember the
Speaker 1: bad news was Week fifteen against Eagles. Down goes Guardeck
Speaker 1: with a torn ACL and he's been rehabbing big time.
Speaker 1: In fact, you go to Acy Cardinals dot com and
Speaker 1: or Darren Rman, he talked with Guardek and got the latest. Now, look,
Speaker 1: he tore an ACL in high school, So good news,
Speaker 1: bad news. Yeah, he retour it. But the good news
Speaker 1: is he's been through it and so he thinks he's
Speaker 1: on track. It's still uncertain exactly when or whether he'll
Speaker 1: be on POP to start the season. Of fact, Cliff
Speaker 1: Kingsbury asked about guardex timetable Dennis I wouldn't put anything
Speaker 1: past Innis. I mean, he looks great, sound like he's
Speaker 1: ahead of schedule by all accounts, and so we'll see
Speaker 1: how he feels going into training camp. But if he's
Speaker 1: not ready for the start, I would expect him to
Speaker 1: be ready soon thereafter. And we know how the Cardinals
Speaker 1: feel about him. They gave him a second round tender,
Speaker 1: so he's gonna earn two million plus this year. He
Speaker 1: was a restricted free agent. But we'll think about it.
Speaker 1: Think about that Cardinals pass rush hit zoom out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you have Chandler Jones coming back from the torn by
Speaker 1: j R. JJ Watt, I mean, Marcus Golden. And then
Speaker 1: if Dennis Gardeck is actually available and he's anywhere near
Speaker 1: as effective as last year, Yeah, pretty stout pass rush
Speaker 1: I got. I gotta throw in Chandler Jones of course,
Speaker 1: JJ Watt, Jordan Phillips, I gotta throw Jordan Phillips in there,
Speaker 1: and Marcus Golden. Those four guys right there, um, light
Speaker 1: up and get to the Q man, get home to
Speaker 1: the quarterback right there, and then you throw in guys
Speaker 1: like Dennis Gardeck. No doubt about that. Balsam effort. Guys
Speaker 1: right there I'm really excited about it. When you think
Speaker 1: that the Arizona Cardinals were number five in sacks per attempt,
Speaker 1: it's a much better way to quantify what kind of
Speaker 1: pressure you're actually getting on a quarterback sacks per attempt.
Speaker 1: And to think there were number five in the National
Speaker 1: Football League without Chandler Jones staggering, Jordan Phillips getting hurt
Speaker 1: as well, it just, honestly, Paul, that number, to me
Speaker 1: is really really encouraging, and hopefully they can do a
Speaker 1: better job with their rush defense, do a better job
Speaker 1: with the in the box bringing up third and obvious
Speaker 1: pass situations, third and seven, third and eight, third and ten,
Speaker 1: because you're shutting it down, you're shutting down the run,
Speaker 1: You're doing a good job and rundown situations. You're getting
Speaker 1: to those third and obvious pass situations and then you
Speaker 1: can let the dogs eat your Cliff Kingsbury, your defensive coordinator,
Speaker 1: Advanced Joseph. You're going into camp just over a month away.
Speaker 1: What are some of the big questions you want answered
Speaker 1: on defense? And keep in mind the GM Steve Kime
Speaker 1: is allocated nearly one hundred five five million in cap
Speaker 1: space to the defense, which is the fifth most on
Speaker 1: that side of the ball in the NFL. So it's
Speaker 1: been a point of emphasis and the investment has been
Speaker 1: there in terms of salary cap dollars. My question you is,
Speaker 1: what do you think the coaches want an answer to
Speaker 1: by the time they're done with camp. You tell me
Speaker 1: how those inside linebackers are going to play, Polly right now,
Speaker 1: you tell me Osavian Collins and Isaiah Simmons are going
Speaker 1: to play, not only physically, of course, going about their
Speaker 1: business playing inside linebacker. Paul would just say, that's a
Speaker 1: physical position in the National Football League. If it isn't,
Speaker 1: you're in trouble. Yeah, put your mouthguard in and you
Speaker 1: better have all four buckles buckled up, because it is
Speaker 1: going to hurt playing inside linebacker and the National Football League,
Speaker 1: it's a very physical position. The only thing that pals
Speaker 1: to that is the mental side of playing inside linebacker
Speaker 1: in the National Football League. It's even more intense than
Speaker 1: the physicality. You've got to know exactly what you're doing.
Speaker 1: You've got a not only defenses in the responsibilities of
Speaker 1: other guys that line up in the box, but you
Speaker 1: also have to have all the checks. What happens if
Speaker 1: formation strength changes, what happens if they're in this personnel group.
Speaker 1: It's all game plan and you've got to know the
Speaker 1: checks that come with it, Paul, And a lot of
Speaker 1: times those happen. Oh boy, here comes jet motion. It
Speaker 1: happens quickly and you've got to be able to call
Speaker 1: it out for everybody. So is that realistic? I mean,
Speaker 1: should our boxers, should our collective boxers be bunging right now? No?
Speaker 1: I was bunging last year about Isaiah Simmons playing in
Speaker 1: the box as a week side inside linebacker and trying
Speaker 1: to move them all over. Let's put them all over
Speaker 1: the play. Now, they did move them over, but it
Speaker 1: was in selective plays. It wasn't like they were putting
Speaker 1: it moving them all all over the place so we
Speaker 1: could make all sorts of plays. PAULI. Yeah, of course
Speaker 1: there's going to be a learning experience for Zaven Collins here.
Speaker 1: There's going to be a learning curve. Man. But you
Speaker 1: know what, Hey, sometimes you just got to throw dudes
Speaker 1: into the fire and see how they come out of it.
Speaker 1: You know what gives me solace, You know what gives
Speaker 1: me confidences? Advanced Joseph has been through this to a
Speaker 1: large degree when he was on the Niners defensive staff,
Speaker 1: when they had Patrick Wilson, Navarro Bowman's and when Patrick
Speaker 1: Guilis was that rookie and he started from day one,
Speaker 1: just like Zavan Collins's schedule to start. So at least
Speaker 1: you have a defensive coordinator who's been there and done that.
Speaker 1: And based on what Van Joseph told us recently on
Speaker 1: the Big Red Rage, he's going to simplify things accordingly. Right, Yes, no, absolutely, boy,
Speaker 1: I think you're right about that. That is an astute
Speaker 1: observation in a great comparison as well, that being the
Speaker 1: forty nine ers and Patrick Willis and Navarro Bowman. I
Speaker 1: think the same dynamic to some degree exists here. My
Speaker 1: second question will be about that defense will be the
Speaker 1: corner position and that secondary in general, Paulie, how did
Speaker 1: those corners come together? Right, We've got some X would prospects.
Speaker 1: If Robert Alford, of course, if Byron Murphy playing on
Speaker 1: the slot, Malcolm Butler the dog, how's he going to play?
Speaker 1: And how are they going to come together? And mention
Speaker 1: that secondary, that's my second question, as once again Vance
Speaker 1: Joseph would love to put his two corners on an Island,
Speaker 1: then dial up the other nine guys. Right, but but
Speaker 1: Kenny Willie, will he have that ability with a Malcolm
Speaker 1: Butler and Robert Alford, or perhaps if Byron Murphy or
Speaker 1: one of the young guys, the Tay Gallen's or Marco
Speaker 1: Wilson's make a run and get some playing time. We'll
Speaker 1: see Cardinals last year finished number twelve in the NFL
Speaker 1: and points allowed per game, see if they can get
Speaker 1: into that top ten. We'll continue with a Big Red
Speaker 1: Rage presented by santan Ford and Gilbert. Right after this,
Speaker 1: are you ready for the n Yes, jaj want signed
Speaker 1: to the Cardinals. Yes, let's just say that video went viral.
Speaker 1: A couple of Cardinal fans, mom with her young fan
Speaker 1: right there and forming her him of the news that
Speaker 1: the Cardinals had inked jj Watt. Once the tweet came
Speaker 1: out from jj watt the official account, we realized it
Speaker 1: wasn't some sort of photoshop, that it was legit and
Speaker 1: you know what, channeling the reaction from basically every member
Speaker 1: of the Red Sea that jj Watt is on board.
Speaker 1: As we wrapped this edition of the Big Red Rage
Speaker 1: presented by santan Ford and Gilbert, we are Santa Ford,
Speaker 1: Paul calBC, Ron Wolfley and wolf It was impressive to
Speaker 1: watch JJ Watt. I know it's mini camp. I know
Speaker 1: they have on shorts and helmets and no shoulder pads.
Speaker 1: But you're looking for leadership, you got leadership. He was
Speaker 1: a guy who led off every single drill. He's very vocal,
Speaker 1: he's bringing tons of energy, he's setting the tone. So
Speaker 1: so far, so good. I'm what the Cardinals have seen
Speaker 1: out of many camps. One of the things I've really
Speaker 1: appreciated about JJ Watt and just listening to JJ Watt Pauly,
Speaker 1: is his willingness to walk up to teammates and challenge
Speaker 1: them and question them, what are you doing Guys that
Speaker 1: you stare down, so to speak, Guys that you know
Speaker 1: can help you win games, and if in fact they're
Speaker 1: not doing what they should be doing. The accountability inside
Speaker 1: a locker room is so important. Paul, Just stop and
Speaker 1: think about how important that is that you got teammates
Speaker 1: that care enough about you. And this is one of
Speaker 1: the fascinating things about listening to JJ Watt talking about
Speaker 1: his approach getting to know each and every guy and
Speaker 1: getting to know what makes him tick. So what so
Speaker 1: we could walk up on them and do it out
Speaker 1: of love and yet be stern and let them know,
Speaker 1: I'm going to keep you accountable. I'm going to keep
Speaker 1: myself accountable first, and I'm going to keep you accountable
Speaker 1: as well. To me, that is one of them most
Speaker 1: impressive things about JJ Watt and what Buddha Baker tell
Speaker 1: us on the Big Red Rage recently, right, that's exactly
Speaker 1: what he's been doing. He's been asking some of the
Speaker 1: other team leaders, Okay, tell me about this guy, tell
Speaker 1: me about that guy. And yes, he's trying to get
Speaker 1: to know these guys inside out. So to your point,
Speaker 1: on game day or and that that moment where the
Speaker 1: game's on the line, he knows how to motivate or
Speaker 1: how to talk to another guy. And you know what
Speaker 1: Paul just said, though I got to interrupt you. What
Speaker 1: you just said, you brought up Buddha Baker, right, yeah, think, okay,
Speaker 1: think about Buddha Paul. Is Buddha Baker the biggest player
Speaker 1: on the field, far from it, Far from it, Paul,
Speaker 1: And yet he is an absolute man when he plays
Speaker 1: this game. So do you think his profile in the
Speaker 1: locker room is a big profile? Yes, is the answer.
Speaker 1: To that. And because of that, I look at Buddha Baker.
Speaker 1: Everyone watches Buddha go about his business knowing he's not
Speaker 1: the biggest guy, yet he plays ten times his size.
Speaker 1: His shadow was massive on the gridiron. That's the kind
Speaker 1: of respect. So now, if Buddha Baker, by way of example,
Speaker 1: walks up on you and says, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: Do you think that's going to have an impact on
Speaker 1: you as a person. It better because if it doesn't,
Speaker 1: you're gonna be out of that locker room as it goes.
Speaker 1: If you want to know Buddha's value to the Cardinals defense,
Speaker 1: just go back and queue up the game film from
Speaker 1: Week four at Carolina last year, and that was the
Speaker 1: worst defensive performance by the Cardinals d all season long,
Speaker 1: and they look lost without Buddha Baker. As for that
Speaker 1: defensive line, Wolf, we know it's imperative. Hello, you opened
Speaker 1: against Derrick Henry and in week two you get Dalvin Cook,
Speaker 1: you get Mike Vrabel and Mike Zimmer to very physical
Speaker 1: mindset type of coaches. They're gonna come right at you,
Speaker 1: and it starts with stopping the run. We know that
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury was asked how he likes the looks of
Speaker 1: his D line room, the addition of JJ, the young
Speaker 1: guys who drafted last years, signing Jordan Phillips. We really
Speaker 1: like where it's at. I think with Coach Buck and
Speaker 1: what he brings the table where those young guys makesten
Speaker 1: with some bets who've had a ten of success in
Speaker 1: this league, it's going to be a great run. The
Speaker 1: young guys, primarily being Lucky Foe two or Shard Lawrence,
Speaker 1: who both definitely stood out during minni cams. Zach Allen,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, Zach Allen was getting a lot
Speaker 1: of props from Jordan Phillips as they were going through.
Speaker 1: I'm curious. He had the unbelievable game Week fifteen against Philly,
Speaker 1: you know, the eleven tackles and he had done things
Speaker 1: that only the elite guys had done in a single
Speaker 1: game for defensive lineman in NFL history. We'll see if
Speaker 1: he can be a little more consistent this year. But overall, Wolf,
Speaker 1: how do you like the looks of the depth chart
Speaker 1: at D line? Yeah? No, I like it, PAULI I
Speaker 1: really do. I'm glad you brought up Zach Gallen because
Speaker 1: once again I think a guy playing a five technique
Speaker 1: which is over an offensive tackle. Whether it's the left
Speaker 1: offensive tackle right right offensive tackle, really doesn't matter. I
Speaker 1: like him as the five technique out there. He plays
Speaker 1: very very well. I think the defensive line is going
Speaker 1: to be tested. I'm glad you brought up the first
Speaker 1: two games, the Tennessee Titans and the Minnesota Vikings, two
Speaker 1: very similar offenses, Paulie, two offenses that are built on
Speaker 1: running the ball in between the tackles or using play
Speaker 1: action to throw the ball. They do with Tennessee, by
Speaker 1: way of example, is probably better than anybody in the
Speaker 1: league in regard to play action passes, even better than
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers and the Green Bay Packers and their tackle
Speaker 1: zone scheme. They're gonna line up Derek Henry, They're gonna
Speaker 1: run him downhill. He's gonna try to run your face
Speaker 1: over behind a very physical offensive line. When you hear
Speaker 1: Steve Kime talking about we've got to get more physical
Speaker 1: and we need better leadership in the locker room, think
Speaker 1: of Week one and the Tennessee Titans, because that is
Speaker 1: going to test them, especially being on the road. And
Speaker 1: then the Minnesota Vikings, once again, two very similar offenses
Speaker 1: that are predicated on hammering the box and then throwing
Speaker 1: the ball over the middle of the field and taking
Speaker 1: some shots down field. Because of that rushing attack, and
Speaker 1: guess what, especially against Tennessee, it's not so easy now
Speaker 1: to load the box and put eight in the box
Speaker 1: when they just added Julio Jones. I mean, think about that.
Speaker 1: So it's imperative that your front seven can stand on
Speaker 1: their own and stop the run because the moment you
Speaker 1: start loading the box, Ryan Tannahill to your point play action, Now, boom,
Speaker 1: They're going down the seams and over the top to
Speaker 1: the likes of their two big weapons. Who are you
Speaker 1: going to single up? That's the question, right, who are
Speaker 1: you going to single up? In man cover? I don't know, Man,
Speaker 1: you gotta put seven guys in the box and fight
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