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Speaker 2: What's up?
Speaker 3: Native Lamb Pod? Hey, Angela, Hey, Andrew, Hey Tiffany. My
Speaker 3: name is Jessica and I'm sending this video to you
Speaker 3: from Houston, Texas. I love Monday's mini pod on who
Speaker 3: are our Black Leaders? How I looked at it as
Speaker 3: your basketball basketball team. You have your coach, you're starting
Speaker 3: five and a six man. So for a coach, you
Speaker 3: have to have Revend Now Sharpton, You're starting five, My
Speaker 3: good Sores, Jasmine Crockett, Katanji Brown Jackson. Then we have
Speaker 3: Gary Chambers, Justin Pearson, Bacari Sellers, and for the sixth man,
Speaker 3: I felt like we needed to have someone in the media,
Speaker 3: So I was going back and forth between joe An Reed,
Speaker 3: Roland Martin or Don Lemon. But I'm a schoose Joy
Speaker 3: and Reed and the Sore. So that is who I
Speaker 3: think could our leaders be. And I really love the
Speaker 3: idea of having more than one leader because everybody has
Speaker 3: strengths in different areas and can reach different demographics generations.
Speaker 4: So yeah, welcome home, y'all.
Speaker 2: This is our mini pod where we gonna go back
Speaker 2: to old school hip hop days with a top five,
Speaker 2: but instead of it applying to hip hop, it applies
Speaker 2: to black leadership in this country, which we desperately need,
Speaker 2: especially in the trying times that we're in right now.
Speaker 2: So I feel like I fulfilled my assignment. Last week
Speaker 2: we just code opened with Jessica, who did not honor the assignment.
Speaker 2: She didn't like me and have more than five. She
Speaker 2: was like, well, you need a coach, and you also
Speaker 2: need a six nan and while I'm at it, let
Speaker 2: me just throw these other names in here that I
Speaker 2: didn't decide on.
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna have a full ten deep squad.
Speaker 2: But to that point, to the rest of the people
Speaker 2: on this squad, my co host Andrew Gillom and Tiffany Cross,
Speaker 2: who are in your top five.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm going first Andrew because you are okay, So
Speaker 1: my I want to be clear, this list is for
Speaker 1: people who are going into the White House to sit
Speaker 1: at the negotiation table on behalf of black folks. It's
Speaker 1: not personalities, but it's people with like policy areas of
Speaker 1: expertise that I think would benefit black folks. So my
Speaker 1: first nominee drum roll is mister Andrew Gillham.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: And I will say why, Andrew. I'm saying you because
Speaker 1: and I thought about this because I know a few
Speaker 1: people who you know, worked in politics and policy at
Speaker 1: different levels. But I think you are the most audacious
Speaker 1: in your policy outlook and plans, the most insightful, like
Speaker 1: you have a wide breath of knowledge historically presently and
Speaker 1: also for cast thing what can happen. You've worked at
Speaker 1: the local level, the state level, and I think that
Speaker 1: is a key interest to black folks. That's where a
Speaker 1: lot of policy happens. You are below the Mason Dixon line.
Speaker 1: You're in the South, yes, yes, which I think can
Speaker 1: you know has the ability to remake the American electoral map.
Speaker 1: So Andrew, I want you at a table next Latasha Brown.
Speaker 1: I think Latasha is a great organizer and just has
Speaker 1: such a bleeding heart for the people. So I think
Speaker 1: she would be gracious enough to see blind spots and
Speaker 1: be able to course correct where something should should be.
Speaker 1: This will maybe a little controversial for y'all, but I
Speaker 1: would also have President Barack Obama at a table. The
Speaker 1: reason being is because he has been in the position
Speaker 1: before and has a wide scope and understanding of what
Speaker 1: happens at the federal level that we may not even know,
Speaker 1: the information that we're not privy to, So I think
Speaker 1: he would have a unique lens in that space and
Speaker 1: be able to guide some parts of the discussion. Then
Speaker 1: I would have Revend Barber, because I think Reverend William Barber,
Speaker 1: who leads the Poor People's Campaign, I think he would
Speaker 1: be focused on the bottom percentage, the working class people,
Speaker 1: but also people who are just impoverished across the country.
Speaker 1: And he is just a good kind person. I think
Speaker 1: he would be in there and be able to do
Speaker 1: a great job advocating for the people. And then I
Speaker 1: have not come up with a fifth person yet because
Speaker 1: there are several options I have, and I wanted to
Speaker 1: see more black women representation at the table, so absent
Speaker 1: that really this is like my cheating answer. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go with Justice Kintanji Brown Jackson because I do think
Speaker 1: that you need somebody there who's focused on the laws
Speaker 1: as they impact people. If Kintanji, if Justice Jackson is
Speaker 1: not available, then I offer Ellie Massal. Ellie Mastal covers
Speaker 1: the courts Harvard, Harvard Law educated attorney is brilliant. His
Speaker 1: wife is even more brilliant. So I feel like whatever
Speaker 1: blind spots he had going in there, it'd be helpful,
Speaker 1: uh for him, because we kind of get a black
Speaker 1: man and a black woman with her. Now, some of
Speaker 1: y'all may be wondering, but you didn't say Angela, because
Speaker 1: when I was asking this question last week, I said,
Speaker 1: Angela is somebody. I was saying, I know you all
Speaker 1: want to go Angela, but I would not send Angela yes,
Speaker 1: because we said this president is this president, And I
Speaker 1: don't think Angela or myself, I don't think either of
Speaker 1: us have the temperament to sit there and right precisely,
Speaker 1: I would take one for the team, I'm gonna tell y'all,
Speaker 1: but I would definitely want Angela a part of the discussions, uh,
Speaker 1: like you know, the people to prep people before they
Speaker 1: go in. I would want want you there. And then
Speaker 1: my alternate, just in case one of these people got sick,
Speaker 1: is Congressman Ayana Presley because she's just always down for people.
Speaker 1: So that's my list. Those are good names, Andrew. I'm
Speaker 1: looking forward to hearing your names on your list.
Speaker 2: And I know in this I know in this era,
Speaker 2: where we're telling people that everybody has their work to do.
Speaker 2: I know that you've done your homework, mister mayor, mister.
Speaker 1: Okay was number one on my list because he's so reliable.
Speaker 5: Come on, guys, I do my homework. But I told
Speaker 5: y'all last week you didn't listen. Probably, I was like,
Speaker 5: I'm not so into the names as much as I
Speaker 5: am in the uh fabric of the type of.
Speaker 2: Ain't no fabric, ain't no name pass me, you're.
Speaker 4: Not casting you. You have to do your homework.
Speaker 6: I didn't. I didn't concentrate on names.
Speaker 1: Okay, then give us the fabric and we're gonna give
Speaker 1: you names. And you say that's what we're gonna do.
Speaker 6: You feel a man?
Speaker 7: All right?
Speaker 3: Here?
Speaker 6: The five are.
Speaker 5: We need a historian, somebody who knows where where we've been,
Speaker 5: Eddie Claude.
Speaker 6: I was just saying, you talk about people who are
Speaker 6: in the historical.
Speaker 4: You said you can't handle names, So we gave you
Speaker 4: one night.
Speaker 1: We need a historian with Michael Harriet is the person
Speaker 1: we all right.
Speaker 6: I want a revolutionary.
Speaker 5: I want a revolutionary Angela Davis revolutionary.
Speaker 6: Okay, a revolutionary. I want the bomb thrower.
Speaker 5: I want the person who is going to turn the
Speaker 5: table over and and be that in the space the
Speaker 5: real quick.
Speaker 1: Who is the revolutionary? Angela Davis is.
Speaker 4: But she she doesn't move that way, right, Maxine Waters?
Speaker 6: True? True enough.
Speaker 1: I Thinkxice progress from the Jasmine Crocket. That might be.
Speaker 1: It's a different place really, Okay, Okay, yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: think the infrastructure.
Speaker 5: I think that's the evolutionary is somebody who is probably
Speaker 5: as liberated as liberated looks in today's society, which means
Speaker 5: that their livelihood, where they're going or where they've been,
Speaker 5: is not dependent upon an institution, a politician, any of that.
Speaker 6: That they that they stand pretty resolute and.
Speaker 1: The outside of the government and Barry Chambers, maybe he's
Speaker 1: the revolutionary.
Speaker 6: Maybe he wants to run. Yeah, I'd love to see him.
Speaker 1: Okay, maybe Alicia Garza, what are we thinking? Alicia Garza
Speaker 1: is the revolutionary? Alicia her I want.
Speaker 5: The grassroots at the table, and I already know that person.
Speaker 5: I didn't do the work on it, but yes, I mean,
Speaker 5: I want I want the streets to speak at the table.
Speaker 5: Natasha Brown, I want somebody who understands the economics of
Speaker 5: the country, the economics of our community and large big
Speaker 5: picture systems change.
Speaker 4: Derek Hamilton might be a good economics person.
Speaker 6: True, the Joint Center.
Speaker 1: Michael Harriet, he studied macroeconomics, so he has a lens
Speaker 1: into that. Spencer Overton is that does.
Speaker 6: The Joint Center Spencers at the Center.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, does the Joint Center do economics?
Speaker 1: I don't know they do.
Speaker 5: I've been to a training by them. But and you
Speaker 5: know what, there are probably some people within foundations, within
Speaker 5: progressive foundations who again the name may not be here
Speaker 5: for me right now, but I know our deep thinkers
Speaker 5: and are very concentrated on not flashing the pans. But
Speaker 5: this change creates long term systemic this right.
Speaker 1: And then that's the economist some ason. She wrote a
Speaker 1: great and excellent book on black wealth and money building.
Speaker 1: So Dorothy Brown, I got your economists for you right there.
Speaker 2: Okay, Next, what about John O'Bryant or Robert Smith. He's
Speaker 2: not an economist, but he's done so much around macro and.
Speaker 5: Micro heathern McGee comes to mind. Yeah, oh yeah, in
Speaker 5: this sort of picture, a big systems thinker. But she
Speaker 5: she you know, she also understands foundationally the economics that
Speaker 5: has frankly created the system that we are existing in today.
Speaker 5: And then finally, y'all, and this is probably one of
Speaker 5: the more important picks, would be figurehead movement leader, sort
Speaker 5: of big picture movement leader and Jasmine. I know everyone
Speaker 5: would probably default to the historic individuals who.
Speaker 6: Show up in this category. Rev.
Speaker 5: Ben Crump, Jesse Jackson, you know, like these those those
Speaker 5: those things that we know are kind of resident in
Speaker 5: that space.
Speaker 6: I would go for a fresher face. Jazmin sort of.
Speaker 5: I know she's a politician as well, but I think
Speaker 5: somebody who speaks can get the attention of the people
Speaker 5: at every strata of the movement and can activate them
Speaker 5: off their word, right, And there are people who have
Speaker 5: the ability, who have the power in different places to
Speaker 5: make moves. And I'm not sure if I threw this
Speaker 5: category out, but I did put in there sort of
Speaker 5: your your political person who knows how these sort of
Speaker 5: how these puzzle pieces fit together. So that idea won't
Speaker 5: work because it's isolated, there's no accountability, it doesn't feedback
Speaker 5: into anything. Somebody who can spot that and call it out,
Speaker 5: you know, sort of immediately. And I don't know him
Speaker 5: all that terribly well, but I do respect him a
Speaker 5: great deal. And that's how King Jeffries as somebody who
Speaker 5: you know, ten years in the Congress, was able to
Speaker 5: ascend into leadership. And I believe has a big picture
Speaker 5: frame to ss to to you know, how how pieces
Speaker 5: fit together, more to work, to work for us. He's kind,
Speaker 5: So that's kind of what you might get in this role, right,
Speaker 5: somebody who knows where the body's are buried.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 5: Well, we didn't call the e I out, but let
Speaker 5: me tell you the thirty places in which this within
Speaker 5: this budget where it is right.
Speaker 1: Well, we have other people in that list.
Speaker 6: What do you say, ye did? Listeners?
Speaker 4: The listeners, Let's roll some nick.
Speaker 7: What's up Native Land? I'm Larry and I'm in Dallas.
Speaker 8: My top five leaders are as follows, in no particular order, Tanahase,
Speaker 8: cos Corey Bush, number three, Michael Eric Dyson, Stacy Abrams,
Speaker 8: and last but not least, Roland Martin. I think with
Speaker 8: all five of them at the table, we can get
Speaker 8: to the bottom of issues of reparations, you know, moving
Speaker 8: forward with the community as a collective, so on and
Speaker 8: so forth. Those are my top five leaders in our community.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: The thing I appreciate about what he said and as
Speaker 2: Tip sits in Roland Martin studio. By the way, I
Speaker 2: also really appreciate him bringing up Corey Bush. I think
Speaker 2: and Andrew, like, I know you can personally relate to this.
Speaker 4: I just be emotional about this stuff. But like when.
Speaker 2: Our leaders, these people that have like have such favor
Speaker 2: on their lives to serve the people in the ways
Speaker 2: that you all do, and then you don't win an election,
Speaker 2: especially to somebody who you know that you're more qualified than,
Speaker 2: have more integrity than, etc. You never want to see
Speaker 2: good people that are strong orders and super brilliant and
Speaker 2: to have his great convictions about how to move this
Speaker 2: country forward and for the people like you never want
Speaker 2: to see them discarded.
Speaker 4: So I'm so late, sister, you know.
Speaker 1: I just want to say, though, like some of the
Speaker 1: people they're saying, like we love Roro, but Roro is
Speaker 1: not a policy person, you know, like he is a
Speaker 1: journalist there to cover. So I'm sure Roro would love
Speaker 1: to be at the table. I don't know that.
Speaker 4: He's definitely going. He's definitely going.
Speaker 6: He's sitting next to April.
Speaker 4: But I know no, Row does not want to be
Speaker 4: at the end of the journalism.
Speaker 2: Roland wants to tell you, like if he probably would
Speaker 2: disagree with you on him not being the police person.
Speaker 2: Roland is the camera operator, the sound engineer, the journalist himself,
Speaker 2: the key interviewer, the policy person, they resident history and
Speaker 2: the voting rights advocate, the charter school's advocate. What if
Speaker 2: I missed the black agenda, history, all of it, divine resident,
Speaker 2: divine nine, let you know, and the bule.
Speaker 1: I want the bullet. I want him to get the
Speaker 1: first exclusive interview with the people who were in the
Speaker 1: room and then come out and tell Roland what happened.
Speaker 1: I also want Roland to be a part of the
Speaker 1: council before they go into the strategy fashion right right, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I should have I'm telling you.
Speaker 2: Right now, participating the prep team. He's gonna be like,
Speaker 2: I'm going, who's seeing my take?
Speaker 4: I am going? Ro You know, I am lying? You know,
Speaker 4: I am right.
Speaker 2: I'm the coach and I'm Steph Curry and.
Speaker 1: I'm when I see my little video tape on my
Speaker 1: iPhone and ask him what you what you say?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 4: And we post that that's excellent, Like are you going?
Speaker 4: Would you be? Would you want the.
Speaker 2: Exclusive or would you want to be at the table
Speaker 2: roll and be like, hello, want both.
Speaker 4: Okay, let's play another one. Let's play another one.
Speaker 9: Gets podcast in your recomdition for the leadership, I gotta
Speaker 9: I gotta have a women's team and the men's team.
Speaker 9: On my women's team, of course, I'm gonna start off
Speaker 9: with Tiffany Cross.
Speaker 7: She's gonna do the messaging, organizing events.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 7: Gotta have Angela Rod on my political education.
Speaker 9: I would like to bring in Karen Hunter for dissimulating
Speaker 9: the dissecting government rules. Of course, Jasmine is my my rookie,
Speaker 9: my rising star. Gotta have her on the team and
Speaker 9: rounding out my women's I gotta have kept Vany K.
Speaker 9: Williams to do my judicial Gotta have my judicial part
Speaker 9: of that. On my men's side, of course, I got
Speaker 9: my man Andrew gonna be working doing the social I
Speaker 9: got my man name doctor Claude Anderson.
Speaker 7: He's gonna mentor a lot of the leadership.
Speaker 9: I got Wes Moore up and rising leader governor of Maryland.
Speaker 7: I like this guy. I know y'all don't like him.
Speaker 9: I think he would be a good I said to
Speaker 9: the team Byron McDonald, I don't like him.
Speaker 7: I like Roland Martin from the black Star Network, and
Speaker 7: that's it. I appreciate y'all taking my time. Hopefully we'll
Speaker 7: see you on Thursdays.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, you guys, I'm dying. And he said,
Speaker 2: I know y'all don't like him. I thought you said
Speaker 2: about Wes Moore. Then he said Byron McDonald, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: he said about Byron Donald.
Speaker 1: Now he Byron McDonald. That's all we're gonna call him.
Speaker 4: That Byron Byron McDonald's.
Speaker 2: I am fascinated by that list because what I think
Speaker 2: this kind of brings some attention to is the fact
Speaker 2: that uh uh, we still have hold on well why
Speaker 2: why are you okay, No, I'm sorry, I was looking.
Speaker 2: I thought we had warre But what it brings attention
Speaker 2: to is there are people in our community who don't
Speaker 2: see themselves squarely and partisan boxes. I think in some
Speaker 2: ways that some of us at times, we don't say.
Speaker 4: We're neatly Democrat.
Speaker 2: We vote Democrat, but that's not really Andrew is a
Speaker 2: party person for the most part. I would say, I know,
Speaker 2: and I don't understand why we're still there because they
Speaker 2: ain't standard bearer your ass back.
Speaker 6: But I've got a majority, it's ours.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 2: Well, the point I'm not trying to vote Republican. I'm
Speaker 2: just saying I'm not going to fall on the sword
Speaker 2: for these efforts. But the point is it's interesting because
Speaker 2: there are people in our community that don't hear things
Speaker 2: through a partisan lens. They just are like, Okay, this
Speaker 2: person offers some good ideas. He said he likes Byron Donald's.
Speaker 2: I would like to know why, but I've not I've
Speaker 2: not only heard that from him, I've heard that from
Speaker 2: a lot of people who feel like he's an effective communicator,
Speaker 2: even if what he's saying is not always true. So
Speaker 2: I'm curious to know what you all think about that.
Speaker 2: Is there a place for someone who's not as partisan
Speaker 2: or independent or conservative at a table in our top five?
Speaker 2: And if you had to pick a conservative to go in,
Speaker 2: who would your conservative person be?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 1: Can can I just really general?
Speaker 4: I'll do that general alive? How about that deader alive?
Speaker 1: I like that at our life just really quickly. I
Speaker 1: love that question. I don't haven't answered yet. I just
Speaker 1: wanted to give some of the because to your point,
Speaker 1: there are people off social media who weighed in on
Speaker 1: this okay, So Unicorn V said that Nicole Hannah Jones
Speaker 1: has to be in the room. Uh. The tenth letter said,
Speaker 1: yah seen bay most deaf. I don't know why, but okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not mad at that conscious. So someone said Michelle
Speaker 1: Obama that fly fly tip eighty six at Michelle Obama. Uh.
Speaker 1: Co Cole Chanel's saying we need to stop looking at
Speaker 1: our own community through the lens of oppressors, which I appreciate.
Speaker 1: So she says Oprah would be.
Speaker 4: Good a lot of things.
Speaker 1: We got a lot of Roland Martin, a lot of
Speaker 1: President Obama, a lot of Hakeen Jeffries. To your point,
Speaker 1: Charles blow came up. Anthony Lebron, said Charles Blow. Oh
Speaker 1: speaking to Anthony Lebron, did y'all know that ad got
Speaker 1: traded from Lakers? Anyway? We'll pick that up another time.
Speaker 4: Who did he get traded for? Tiff, Who do you
Speaker 4: get traded from?
Speaker 1: You may not have heard of this guy because his
Speaker 1: name is funny, but Luca, Luca what he doesn't have
Speaker 1: He just goes by Luca. He doesn't go by a
Speaker 1: last name. Everybody who did a D get traded to
Speaker 1: Tip He is going to Dallas. Very good for Luca
Speaker 1: or Luca just Luca, Don Johnson, Luca, doncon Donkash, Luca,
Speaker 1: donkysh is going. So the way we can trade some
Speaker 1: of these leaders. So we're gonna talk about conservative leaders.
Speaker 1: See how I bring it all back Luca for a
Speaker 1: d Meanwhile, Luca is not black, No.
Speaker 4: He not black.
Speaker 1: But yes, so the same way we can trade ad
Speaker 1: for Luca, I'm gonna trade out Biran McDonald's that conservative
Speaker 1: and bring in general Cole Powell since you said that,
Speaker 1: or alive. So that's my yeah, And I'm just saying
Speaker 1: that because you say conservative. But honestly, I don't need
Speaker 1: a conservative speaking one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it might not be a bad idea to
Speaker 2: get reached Donald Trump. If you have to have somebody
Speaker 2: at the table to reach them, man, maybe you start
Speaker 2: with a bridge.
Speaker 4: Who would you pick? Andrew Gillip?
Speaker 5: Well, I don't necessarily think you have to be a
Speaker 5: partisan to get Donald Trump's attention. You do have to
Speaker 5: demonstrate some sicko fancy for him.
Speaker 1: Who could do that?
Speaker 6: What? What is? Uh? I don't know the agenda of
Speaker 6: former owner of BT which his.
Speaker 1: Name Bob Johnson, Bob John Hale no.
Speaker 6: Is he I don't know.
Speaker 2: Okay, he was, he was, he was he supported Trump
Speaker 2: last time. I haven't heard him say anything this time.
Speaker 2: And it wasn't during the election, right, it was like
Speaker 2: after the election.
Speaker 4: I feel like he came around in some way.
Speaker 5: She was.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying. I'm not saying I'm bad about Bob Johnson.
Speaker 2: Bob Johnson was one of my first clients when I
Speaker 2: started my firm. I do not understand, for the life
Speaker 2: of me, why he would ever support Donald Trump, because
Speaker 2: y'all got real confused.
Speaker 4: If I don't say it this way, I am not
Speaker 4: supporting that or thinking it's a good.
Speaker 2: Idea, but I just you know, people do interesting things
Speaker 2: these days, So you think Bob Johnson should be at
Speaker 2: the table.
Speaker 5: Andrew, I was trying to think of somebody who Donald
Speaker 5: Trump might have something respect for and some familiarity.
Speaker 6: Don Peebles might be somebody that.
Speaker 4: Was very cool with Donald Trump last go around.
Speaker 5: And he also has you know, he's also sort of
Speaker 5: insconsin some ways in black politics. Federal State Logo was.
Speaker 4: The chair of the Congressional Black Haugs Foundation.
Speaker 5: Right, So I'm thinking that within that, within that vein,
Speaker 5: I don't. I don't really know how supportive or non
Speaker 5: supportive they were, but I think that they're the type
Speaker 5: that might.
Speaker 6: Run in a Trump circle socially.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm torn. I'm torn between two. Actually, not torn.
Speaker 2: I'm clear mine is not alive. He was my father's mentor.
Speaker 2: There's a great man by the name of doctor Arthur
Speaker 2: Fletcher who was the father of affirmative action. And I
Speaker 2: think it would be imperative, especially in this moment, for
Speaker 2: Donald Trump to hear from someone who was appointed by
Speaker 2: Richard Nixon that, dee, I diversity, equity, inclusion is important
Speaker 2: not only for the fabric of this country, but for
Speaker 2: its economic viability and for our global standing. And I
Speaker 2: think that there's no better advocate for that than the
Speaker 2: father of affirmative action himself, doctor Fletcher.
Speaker 5: And he's I wouldn't even insult doctor Fletcher with them people,
Speaker 5: I think.
Speaker 2: That, uh, well, I think doctor Fletcher would be willing
Speaker 2: to do it. I remember my dad telling me that
Speaker 2: George H. W. Bush had convinced him to endorse Clarence
Speaker 2: Thomas before the Anita Hill stuff and everything came out,
Speaker 2: and he said one of his biggest regrets in life
Speaker 2: was ever endorsing Clarence Thomas. And I'm just bringing that
Speaker 2: up to say too when I'm thinking about our podcast
Speaker 2: from Thursday. You know, at what point do we allow
Speaker 2: people to walk back their mistakes, you know, live with
Speaker 2: their regrets, but then move forward. I think that there's
Speaker 2: a lesson in there, you know, in terms of how
Speaker 2: we come back together.
Speaker 4: Oh yes, talking about.
Speaker 1: Well she endorsed Clarence Thomas. At the time, I did
Speaker 1: not know that.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, our legacy civil rights groups collapsed.
Speaker 6: I mean it was Bernie Jordan's is the is the Trump?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 6: Is the Trump whisperer? He's no longer, you know.
Speaker 5: I just think he is the type of graph who
Speaker 5: understands this whole system well enough. And I think he'd
Speaker 5: be listening to all the voices in the room to
Speaker 5: find the through line.
Speaker 6: To reach this man's He's very charming in some way. There.
Speaker 5: He's you feel like he hears you and like he
Speaker 5: can internalize it translated and put it back out there.
Speaker 6: Okay's strength. I got one.
Speaker 1: This is when you were saying this, I was thinking
Speaker 1: about the streets, like the streets need to be represented.
Speaker 1: Y'all might not like it. I might lose my man corner.
Speaker 1: But I'm about to tell y'all want there who applies?
Speaker 6: I want you?
Speaker 2: You got car I love Cardi Carti. I'm fine with
Speaker 2: because Carti to me. Now, I'm about to start a
Speaker 2: whole battle people to be mad at me again. I
Speaker 2: stay in trouble with these damn rappers. Well listen, let
Speaker 2: me just tell you guys this one thing. I actually
Speaker 2: would invite Plies onto this show because I got some
Speaker 2: questions we need to show. You should come on the show,
Speaker 2: because I want to know why are you talking like that?
Speaker 4: And you got a nursing degree.
Speaker 2: I want to know why do you move the way
Speaker 2: you move and talk about holes the way you be
Speaker 2: talking about hose but you got a whole.
Speaker 4: Wife at home. I just got questions about why.
Speaker 2: Like, you can't be a translator if you're not starting
Speaker 2: from a basis and foundation of truth though, And I
Speaker 2: think that's it sounds like he's not truthful.
Speaker 1: Well you know, I mean Tad Plies and have him
Speaker 1: come on the show.
Speaker 2: Might be some yeah questions because maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 4: I would like to be proven wrong.
Speaker 2: But I feel like there's there are some things that
Speaker 2: he's putting on there's some mascot like behaviors that aren't
Speaker 2: true to who he is, and I.
Speaker 4: Just would like to know will the real plies stand up?
Speaker 1: I think because I was gonna says.
Speaker 6: Have an alter, have an alter ego, have a you.
Speaker 1: Know, Aldernon, I think Algernon.
Speaker 5: But I'm not gonna put him in the jail hospital
Speaker 5: that what I love. Man in jail, I think, no,
Speaker 5: that's not you know me whole friend. Yes, So what
Speaker 5: I want to say is he can come out to
Speaker 5: penalty box because I think he translates.
Speaker 6: Very similar to Cardi, b very direct.
Speaker 5: Honest, a little in the gutter with it, information that
Speaker 5: people I think, but for their communicating to them, would
Speaker 5: not follow it.
Speaker 2: Otherwise, I tell you what, I'm gonna pull some clips
Speaker 2: of him saying something and somebody else saying something before him,
Speaker 2: and it being very similar, very plagiarism like and I So,
Speaker 2: I just that's my one thing with Cardi. I feel
Speaker 2: like it's different because she's speaking to her actual authentic experience. Again,
Speaker 2: I'm down to be proven wrong, but I just feel
Speaker 2: like it's a little mascottish.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, I like I would love to hear from flies.
Speaker 1: I think Plies has a great way to communicating and
Speaker 1: has given sound. And I like Party too because I
Speaker 1: think CARTI she's very knowledgeable on President for one, which
Speaker 1: I appreciate. She always knows what she's talking about, and
Speaker 1: she does have, I think, respectfully, a very gutter way
Speaker 1: of communicating.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: Sometimes that that speaks to a lot of people. And
Speaker 1: I also think it is the amidexterity of our kind, uh,
Speaker 1: that we can show up in different ways and be
Speaker 1: different kind of people. We can be who we need
Speaker 1: to be when we need to be it. Y'all, y'all
Speaker 1: Bible kids, the Bible that I am, that I am,
Speaker 1: That means I'm who I need to be. Well that
Speaker 1: that that is the Lord talk. But I'm just I'm
Speaker 1: just saying. I'm just saying.
Speaker 4: For the God, his image and likeness. She wasn't trying
Speaker 4: to be.
Speaker 1: But my point is, like this conversation, Yeah, I like
Speaker 1: it too, So what's what is this? Because the last time.
Speaker 5: We show up that way, so long as it's in
Speaker 5: service to us, But what is the conversation that adjustment
Speaker 5: because he it's in service to to what he's trying
Speaker 5: to do.
Speaker 1: We got to wrap this conversation but we were getting
Speaker 1: into another one, So what is the conversation that you
Speaker 1: because I like where we were going to have it
Speaker 1: as another mini pod.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like it's just.
Speaker 2: It feels like today's theme overall, like in all the recordings,
Speaker 2: is about like knowing what to do and then playing
Speaker 2: your position, And I just think whatever that is like
Speaker 2: being in your most most authentic truth, living true to mission,
Speaker 2: and not trying to envy somebody else, like oh it
Speaker 2: looks cooler over there, let me go over there and
Speaker 2: do that. Like You've talked about this a lot, Tiff
Speaker 2: and Andrew, you too about you know, entertainers have a role.
Speaker 2: They historically have had a role in the civil rights
Speaker 2: movement even before that, in ensuring that our issues are heard,
Speaker 2: demands are med, et cetera.
Speaker 4: But they're still entertainers.
Speaker 2: And so at the end of the day, who are
Speaker 2: our policy folks, our think tank leaders? Civil rights leaders
Speaker 2: are elected officials that are playing their position that we
Speaker 2: know we can go to. And I think those and
Speaker 2: and influencers are also different that can spread a message
Speaker 2: that has already been established.
Speaker 4: Those roles are starting.
Speaker 2: To become muddled, and I think we should unmuddy the
Speaker 2: water for clarity's sake, so that we can keep moving
Speaker 2: in a way that is beneficial and and and and
Speaker 2: helpfully helps black people seal the victory.
Speaker 6: Which is why I would like politicians to stop trying
Speaker 6: to be celebrities.
Speaker 1: That's another to do. So we got we have the
Speaker 1: minipie on slang and different words andicon uh that that
Speaker 1: exists in different regions among black folks. Now we have
Speaker 1: one on play your position, which I like. I thought
Speaker 1: you were going in the more abstract when you said
Speaker 1: I like this conversation because there's something there. We need
Speaker 1: to flesh it out more. But something like how you
Speaker 1: show up, like the different ways you show up?
Speaker 4: You know, what does it mean to be authentical?
Speaker 1: I like that. Okay, so those three.
Speaker 6: Gets to be the judge of that, well, you and yourself.
Speaker 1: I think that's the point, right.
Speaker 5: If I am showing up in a space in a
Speaker 5: particular way, I'm not doing it because I think it's
Speaker 5: going to not be a good representative self. I'm doing
Speaker 5: it because I think at this time, and in this
Speaker 5: place and in this way, me showing up this way
Speaker 5: is in service to what I'm trying to accomplish for
Speaker 5: either us the people, or for myself. And I'm not
Speaker 5: talking about me. I'm just saying I was thinking about
Speaker 5: some of what you were saying about how some of
Speaker 5: us show up, some of us look like freaking cartoon
Speaker 5: characters in some places in some way, and then you
Speaker 5: want to loot back around and say something that you
Speaker 5: know is stimulating to me, and I should take you
Speaker 5: as a real opinion leader.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 5: It's just it's like it's that's the podcast. It's like
Speaker 5: Jamie Fox going from comedian to singer. Like I couldn't
Speaker 5: listen to his first you know album.
Speaker 6: My favorite? Can I say it's my favorite period?
Speaker 10: I bumped watch his special to get over the fact
Speaker 10: that he was you know, the fire Chief and Living
Speaker 10: Color and.
Speaker 4: He was not.
Speaker 2: Carry he was one You guys, go to Homie. The
Speaker 2: clowns even know the man. Try to keep him down.
Speaker 2: One day Homie will.
Speaker 1: Use We gotta go. So thank you guys for tuning
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Speaker 1: a lot of mini pods left. So remember we drove
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Speaker 1: so much. We are your hosts, Angela I, Andrew Galam
Speaker 1: and I'm Tiffany Cross. Welcome home, y'all.
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