WEBVTT - Black Leaders MIA? | MiniPod 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:02.840 Native Land Pot is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership 0:00:02.840 --> 0:00:09.280 with Reisent Choice Media. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:08.799 What's up? 0:00:08.880 --> 0:00:13.239 Native Lamb Pod? Hey, Angela, Hey, Andrew, Hey Tiffany. My 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:15.760 name is Jessica and I'm sending this video to you 0:00:15.840 --> 0:00:20.000 from Houston, Texas. I love Monday's mini pod on who 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:23.200 are our Black Leaders? How I looked at it as 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:27.080 your basketball basketball team. You have your coach, you're starting 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:30.159 five and a six man. So for a coach, you 0:00:30.280 --> 0:00:34.239 have to have Revend Now Sharpton, You're starting five, My 0:00:34.320 --> 0:00:41.839 good Sores, Jasmine Crockett, Katanji Brown Jackson. Then we have 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:48.320 Gary Chambers, Justin Pearson, Bacari Sellers, and for the sixth man, 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:50.640 I felt like we needed to have someone in the media, 0:00:50.840 --> 0:00:54.400 So I was going back and forth between joe An Reed, 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:59.120 Roland Martin or Don Lemon. But I'm a schoose Joy 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:03.720 and Reed and the Sore. So that is who I 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:08.480 think could our leaders be. And I really love the 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:12.360 idea of having more than one leader because everybody has 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:18.800 strengths in different areas and can reach different demographics generations. 0:01:18.880 --> 0:01:21.319 So yeah, welcome home, y'all. 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:24.319 This is our mini pod where we gonna go back 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:26.640 to old school hip hop days with a top five, 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:29.759 but instead of it applying to hip hop, it applies 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:33.479 to black leadership in this country, which we desperately need, 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:35.720 especially in the trying times that we're in right now. 0:01:35.959 --> 0:01:38.480 So I feel like I fulfilled my assignment. Last week 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:41.759 we just code opened with Jessica, who did not honor the assignment. 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:43.440 She didn't like me and have more than five. She 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:44.960 was like, well, you need a coach, and you also 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:46.720 need a six nan and while I'm at it, let 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:48.280 me just throw these other names in here that I 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:49.040 didn't decide on. 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:51.960 So I'm gonna have a full ten deep squad. 0:01:52.320 --> 0:01:54.680 But to that point, to the rest of the people 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:58.240 on this squad, my co host Andrew Gillom and Tiffany Cross, 0:01:58.640 --> 0:02:01.520 who are in your top five. 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:08.960 Well, I'm going first Andrew because you are okay, So 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:13.800 my I want to be clear, this list is for 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:16.400 people who are going into the White House to sit 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:20.520 at the negotiation table on behalf of black folks. It's 0:02:20.560 --> 0:02:24.480 not personalities, but it's people with like policy areas of 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:27.760 expertise that I think would benefit black folks. So my 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:33.440 first nominee drum roll is mister Andrew Gillham. 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:34.119 Uh. 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:38.200 And I will say why, Andrew. I'm saying you because 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:40.359 and I thought about this because I know a few 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:44.040 people who you know, worked in politics and policy at 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:49.840 different levels. But I think you are the most audacious 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:54.160 in your policy outlook and plans, the most insightful, like 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:59.120 you have a wide breath of knowledge historically presently and 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:03.239 also for cast thing what can happen. You've worked at 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:07.840 the local level, the state level, and I think that 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:11.600 is a key interest to black folks. That's where a 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:16.440 lot of policy happens. You are below the Mason Dixon line. 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:21.400 You're in the South, yes, yes, which I think can 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:24.360 you know has the ability to remake the American electoral map. 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:28.480 So Andrew, I want you at a table next Latasha Brown. 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:33.079 I think Latasha is a great organizer and just has 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:35.560 such a bleeding heart for the people. So I think 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:39.880 she would be gracious enough to see blind spots and 0:03:40.040 --> 0:03:44.600 be able to course correct where something should should be. 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:48.040 This will maybe a little controversial for y'all, but I 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:51.960 would also have President Barack Obama at a table. The 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:54.400 reason being is because he has been in the position 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:57.800 before and has a wide scope and understanding of what 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:00.840 happens at the federal level that we may not even know, 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:04.000 the information that we're not privy to, So I think 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:08.240 he would have a unique lens in that space and 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:14.360 be able to guide some parts of the discussion. Then 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:19.839 I would have Revend Barber, because I think Reverend William Barber, 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:22.400 who leads the Poor People's Campaign, I think he would 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:29.159 be focused on the bottom percentage, the working class people, 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:34.000 but also people who are just impoverished across the country. 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:36.960 And he is just a good kind person. I think 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:38.880 he would be in there and be able to do 0:04:38.920 --> 0:04:45.920 a great job advocating for the people. And then I 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:48.240 have not come up with a fifth person yet because 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:51.920 there are several options I have, and I wanted to 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:57.680 see more black women representation at the table, so absent 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:01.880 that really this is like my cheating answer. I'm gonna 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:06.120 go with Justice Kintanji Brown Jackson because I do think 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:09.239 that you need somebody there who's focused on the laws 0:05:10.400 --> 0:05:14.520 as they impact people. If Kintanji, if Justice Jackson is 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:18.559 not available, then I offer Ellie Massal. Ellie Mastal covers 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:24.440 the courts Harvard, Harvard Law educated attorney is brilliant. His 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:26.880 wife is even more brilliant. So I feel like whatever 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:30.080 blind spots he had going in there, it'd be helpful, 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:33.159 uh for him, because we kind of get a black 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:35.320 man and a black woman with her. Now, some of 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:37.640 y'all may be wondering, but you didn't say Angela, because 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:39.479 when I was asking this question last week, I said, 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:41.120 Angela is somebody. I was saying, I know you all 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:45.279 want to go Angela, but I would not send Angela yes, 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:48.600 because we said this president is this president, And I 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:51.800 don't think Angela or myself, I don't think either of 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:56.640 us have the temperament to sit there and right precisely, 0:05:56.760 --> 0:05:59.040 I would take one for the team, I'm gonna tell y'all, 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:04.400 but I would definitely want Angela a part of the discussions, uh, 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:06.640 like you know, the people to prep people before they 0:06:06.720 --> 0:06:10.560 go in. I would want want you there. And then 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:13.240 my alternate, just in case one of these people got sick, 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:16.839 is Congressman Ayana Presley because she's just always down for people. 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:20.600 So that's my list. Those are good names, Andrew. I'm 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:24.599 looking forward to hearing your names on your list. 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:28.919 And I know in this I know in this era, 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:32.280 where we're telling people that everybody has their work to do. 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:36.560 I know that you've done your homework, mister mayor, mister. 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:40.760 Okay was number one on my list because he's so reliable. 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:43.920 Come on, guys, I do my homework. But I told 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:46.960 y'all last week you didn't listen. Probably, I was like, 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:49.680 I'm not so into the names as much as I 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:55.000 am in the uh fabric of the type of. 0:06:55.200 --> 0:07:02.440 Ain't no fabric, ain't no name pass me, you're. 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:04.279 Not casting you. You have to do your homework. 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:06.960 I didn't. I didn't concentrate on names. 0:07:06.960 --> 0:07:08.680 Okay, then give us the fabric and we're gonna give 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:13.680 you names. And you say that's what we're gonna do. 0:07:12.360 --> 0:07:12.960 You feel a man? 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:13.280 All right? 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:13.440 Here? 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:13.960 The five are. 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:19.640 We need a historian, somebody who knows where where we've been, 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:20.600 Eddie Claude. 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:25.680 I was just saying, you talk about people who are 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:26.840 in the historical. 0:07:26.720 --> 0:07:28.600 You said you can't handle names, So we gave you 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:28.960 one night. 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:31.840 We need a historian with Michael Harriet is the person 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:32.800 we all right. 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:35.120 I want a revolutionary. 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:40.720 I want a revolutionary Angela Davis revolutionary. 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:42.720 Okay, a revolutionary. I want the bomb thrower. 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:45.280 I want the person who is going to turn the 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:49.240 table over and and be that in the space the 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:49.960 real quick. 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:53.160 Who is the revolutionary? Angela Davis is. 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:58.720 But she she doesn't move that way, right, Maxine Waters? 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:01.000 True? True enough. 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:04.200 I Thinkxice progress from the Jasmine Crocket. That might be. 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:07.640 It's a different place really, Okay, Okay, yeah, I don't 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:11.560 think the infrastructure. 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:15.800 I think that's the evolutionary is somebody who is probably 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:21.360 as liberated as liberated looks in today's society, which means 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:24.720 that their livelihood, where they're going or where they've been, 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:30.200 is not dependent upon an institution, a politician, any of that. 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:33.680 That they that they stand pretty resolute and. 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:36.800 The outside of the government and Barry Chambers, maybe he's 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:37.600 the revolutionary. 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:43.520 Maybe he wants to run. Yeah, I'd love to see him. 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:48.240 Okay, maybe Alicia Garza, what are we thinking? Alicia Garza 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:52.680 is the revolutionary? Alicia her I want. 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:55.240 The grassroots at the table, and I already know that person. 0:08:55.679 --> 0:08:58.000 I didn't do the work on it, but yes, I mean, 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:00.600 I want I want the streets to speak at the table. 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:06.080 Natasha Brown, I want somebody who understands the economics of 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:10.360 the country, the economics of our community and large big 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:11.880 picture systems change. 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:15.400 Derek Hamilton might be a good economics person. 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:18.679 True, the Joint Center. 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:22.640 Michael Harriet, he studied macroeconomics, so he has a lens 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:25.680 into that. Spencer Overton is that does. 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:27.760 The Joint Center Spencers at the Center. 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:30.400 I was gonna say, does the Joint Center do economics? 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:31.920 I don't know they do. 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:34.760 I've been to a training by them. But and you 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:38.320 know what, there are probably some people within foundations, within 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:41.199 progressive foundations who again the name may not be here 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:44.000 for me right now, but I know our deep thinkers 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:49.600 and are very concentrated on not flashing the pans. But 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:53.280 this change creates long term systemic this right. 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:58.120 And then that's the economist some ason. She wrote a 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:01.520 great and excellent book on black wealth and money building. 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:03.640 So Dorothy Brown, I got your economists for you right there. 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:07.280 Okay, Next, what about John O'Bryant or Robert Smith. He's 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:11.480 not an economist, but he's done so much around macro and. 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:15.800 Micro heathern McGee comes to mind. Yeah, oh yeah, in 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:20.200 this sort of picture, a big systems thinker. But she 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:24.080 she you know, she also understands foundationally the economics that 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:28.320 has frankly created the system that we are existing in today. 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:31.319 And then finally, y'all, and this is probably one of 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:37.360 the more important picks, would be figurehead movement leader, sort 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:42.240 of big picture movement leader and Jasmine. I know everyone 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:45.840 would probably default to the historic individuals who. 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:47.280 Show up in this category. Rev. 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:51.920 Ben Crump, Jesse Jackson, you know, like these those those 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:53.600 those things that we know are kind of resident in 0:10:53.600 --> 0:10:54.040 that space. 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:59.720 I would go for a fresher face. Jazmin sort of. 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:03.959 I know she's a politician as well, but I think 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:08.320 somebody who speaks can get the attention of the people 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:13.160 at every strata of the movement and can activate them 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:17.000 off their word, right, And there are people who have 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:19.400 the ability, who have the power in different places to 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:23.439 make moves. And I'm not sure if I threw this 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:26.160 category out, but I did put in there sort of 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:32.800 your your political person who knows how these sort of 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:37.280 how these puzzle pieces fit together. So that idea won't 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:41.319 work because it's isolated, there's no accountability, it doesn't feedback 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:45.040 into anything. Somebody who can spot that and call it out, 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:47.280 you know, sort of immediately. And I don't know him 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:50.080 all that terribly well, but I do respect him a 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:53.360 great deal. And that's how King Jeffries as somebody who 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:56.480 you know, ten years in the Congress, was able to 0:11:56.520 --> 0:12:01.840 ascend into leadership. And I believe has a big picture 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:05.920 frame to ss to to you know, how how pieces 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:09.400 fit together, more to work, to work for us. He's kind, 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:14.640 So that's kind of what you might get in this role, right, 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:16.280 somebody who knows where the body's are buried. 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:16.520 Right. 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:18.559 Well, we didn't call the e I out, but let 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:20.800 me tell you the thirty places in which this within 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:23.240 this budget where it is right. 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:33.839 Well, we have other people in that list. 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:37.719 What do you say, ye did? Listeners? 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:40.520 The listeners, Let's roll some nick. 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:44.359 What's up Native Land? I'm Larry and I'm in Dallas. 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:50.280 My top five leaders are as follows, in no particular order, Tanahase, 0:12:50.440 --> 0:12:58.760 cos Corey Bush, number three, Michael Eric Dyson, Stacy Abrams, 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:03.880 and last but not least, Roland Martin. I think with 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:06.120 all five of them at the table, we can get 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:10.240 to the bottom of issues of reparations, you know, moving 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:13.200 forward with the community as a collective, so on and 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:16.800 so forth. Those are my top five leaders in our community. 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:18.120 You know. 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:21.439 The thing I appreciate about what he said and as 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:23.880 Tip sits in Roland Martin studio. By the way, I 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:29.880 also really appreciate him bringing up Corey Bush. I think 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:33.600 and Andrew, like, I know you can personally relate to this. 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:36.679 I just be emotional about this stuff. But like when. 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:41.400 Our leaders, these people that have like have such favor 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:44.240 on their lives to serve the people in the ways 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:48.439 that you all do, and then you don't win an election, 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:52.959 especially to somebody who you know that you're more qualified than, 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:56.319 have more integrity than, etc. You never want to see 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:59.880 good people that are strong orders and super brilliant and 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:02.600 to have his great convictions about how to move this 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:04.640 country forward and for the people like you never want 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:05.560 to see them discarded. 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:11.679 So I'm so late, sister, you know. 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:14.520 I just want to say, though, like some of the 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:19.240 people they're saying, like we love Roro, but Roro is 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:23.040 not a policy person, you know, like he is a 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:26.600 journalist there to cover. So I'm sure Roro would love 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:28.560 to be at the table. I don't know that. 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:30.640 He's definitely going. He's definitely going. 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:32.080 He's sitting next to April. 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:35.640 But I know no, Row does not want to be 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:36.720 at the end of the journalism. 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:39.560 Roland wants to tell you, like if he probably would 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:42.080 disagree with you on him not being the police person. 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:46.560 Roland is the camera operator, the sound engineer, the journalist himself, 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:50.280 the key interviewer, the policy person, they resident history and 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:53.520 the voting rights advocate, the charter school's advocate. What if 0:14:53.560 --> 0:15:00.480 I missed the black agenda, history, all of it, divine resident, 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:04.120 divine nine, let you know, and the bule. 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:07.840 I want the bullet. I want him to get the 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:11.800 first exclusive interview with the people who were in the 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:15.320 room and then come out and tell Roland what happened. 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:17.120 I also want Roland to be a part of the 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:23.600 council before they go into the strategy fashion right right, yeah, 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:25.440 but I should have I'm telling you. 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:28.040 Right now, participating the prep team. He's gonna be like, 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:29.880 I'm going, who's seeing my take? 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:32.240 I am going? Ro You know, I am lying? You know, 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:35.800 I am right. 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:40.800 I'm the coach and I'm Steph Curry and. 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:44.040 I'm when I see my little video tape on my 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:45.960 iPhone and ask him what you what you say? 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:46.320 Yes? 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:49.080 And we post that that's excellent, Like are you going? 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:50.320 Would you be? Would you want the. 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:51.920 Exclusive or would you want to be at the table 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:55.760 roll and be like, hello, want both. 0:15:56.000 --> 0:15:58.280 Okay, let's play another one. Let's play another one. 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:04.120 Gets podcast in your recomdition for the leadership, I gotta 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:06.040 I gotta have a women's team and the men's team. 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:08.720 On my women's team, of course, I'm gonna start off 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:09.680 with Tiffany Cross. 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:12.120 She's gonna do the messaging, organizing events. 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:12.720 Uh. 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:15.920 Gotta have Angela Rod on my political education. 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:19.480 I would like to bring in Karen Hunter for dissimulating 0:16:20.080 --> 0:16:26.000 the dissecting government rules. Of course, Jasmine is my my rookie, 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:28.520 my rising star. Gotta have her on the team and 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:31.000 rounding out my women's I gotta have kept Vany K. 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:33.560 Williams to do my judicial Gotta have my judicial part 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:36.880 of that. On my men's side, of course, I got 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:40.200 my man Andrew gonna be working doing the social I 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:43.280 got my man name doctor Claude Anderson. 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:46.920 He's gonna mentor a lot of the leadership. 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:53.360 I got Wes Moore up and rising leader governor of Maryland. 0:16:54.080 --> 0:16:55.760 I like this guy. I know y'all don't like him. 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:57.880 I think he would be a good I said to 0:16:57.920 --> 0:17:01.800 the team Byron McDonald, I don't like him. 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:05.520 I like Roland Martin from the black Star Network, and 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:08.879 that's it. I appreciate y'all taking my time. Hopefully we'll 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:09.960 see you on Thursdays. 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:14.320 Wait a minute, you guys, I'm dying. And he said, 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:15.760 I know y'all don't like him. I thought you said 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:19.199 about Wes Moore. Then he said Byron McDonald, and I'm like, oh, 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:20.520 he said about Byron Donald. 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:23.320 Now he Byron McDonald. That's all we're gonna call him. 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:25.600 That Byron Byron McDonald's. 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:29.760 I am fascinated by that list because what I think 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:34.000 this kind of brings some attention to is the fact 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:41.479 that uh uh, we still have hold on well why 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:44.320 why are you okay, No, I'm sorry, I was looking. 0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:46.159 I thought we had warre But what it brings attention 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:48.640 to is there are people in our community who don't 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:52.359 see themselves squarely and partisan boxes. I think in some 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:55.160 ways that some of us at times, we don't say. 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:56.320 We're neatly Democrat. 0:17:56.440 --> 0:17:59.919 We vote Democrat, but that's not really Andrew is a 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:06.040 party person for the most part. I would say, I know, 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:08.359 and I don't understand why we're still there because they 0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:09.760 ain't standard bearer your ass back. 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:12.159 But I've got a majority, it's ours. 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:13.919 Okay. 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:16.040 Well, the point I'm not trying to vote Republican. I'm 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:17.720 just saying I'm not going to fall on the sword 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:21.000 for these efforts. But the point is it's interesting because 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:23.360 there are people in our community that don't hear things 0:18:23.480 --> 0:18:25.760 through a partisan lens. They just are like, Okay, this 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:29.560 person offers some good ideas. He said he likes Byron Donald's. 0:18:29.560 --> 0:18:32.080 I would like to know why, but I've not I've 0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:34.040 not only heard that from him, I've heard that from 0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:37.040 a lot of people who feel like he's an effective communicator, 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:39.760 even if what he's saying is not always true. So 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:41.720 I'm curious to know what you all think about that. 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:44.919 Is there a place for someone who's not as partisan 0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:49.520 or independent or conservative at a table in our top five? 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:52.000 And if you had to pick a conservative to go in, 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:53.520 who would your conservative person be? 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:54.600 Well? 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:56.439 Can can I just really general? 0:18:56.800 --> 0:18:58.840 I'll do that general alive? How about that deader alive? 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:01.600 I like that at our life just really quickly. I 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:05.240 love that question. I don't haven't answered yet. I just 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:07.560 wanted to give some of the because to your point, 0:19:07.640 --> 0:19:10.400 there are people off social media who weighed in on 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:16.359 this okay, So Unicorn V said that Nicole Hannah Jones 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:19.280 has to be in the room. Uh. The tenth letter said, 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:22.359 yah seen bay most deaf. I don't know why, but okay, 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:28.600 I'm not mad at that conscious. So someone said Michelle 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:35.520 Obama that fly fly tip eighty six at Michelle Obama. Uh. 0:19:35.960 --> 0:19:41.679 Co Cole Chanel's saying we need to stop looking at 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:45.280 our own community through the lens of oppressors, which I appreciate. 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:49.240 So she says Oprah would be. 0:19:49.200 --> 0:19:51.560 Good a lot of things. 0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:54.080 We got a lot of Roland Martin, a lot of 0:19:54.680 --> 0:19:59.520 President Obama, a lot of Hakeen Jeffries. To your point, 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:04.080 Charles blow came up. Anthony Lebron, said Charles Blow. Oh 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:07.120 speaking to Anthony Lebron, did y'all know that ad got 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:09.400 traded from Lakers? Anyway? We'll pick that up another time. 0:20:09.440 --> 0:20:11.240 Who did he get traded for? Tiff, Who do you 0:20:11.240 --> 0:20:12.200 get traded from? 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:14.600 You may not have heard of this guy because his 0:20:14.640 --> 0:20:19.399 name is funny, but Luca, Luca what he doesn't have 0:20:19.600 --> 0:20:21.280 He just goes by Luca. He doesn't go by a 0:20:21.400 --> 0:20:27.000 last name. Everybody who did a D get traded to 0:20:27.119 --> 0:20:33.399 Tip He is going to Dallas. Very good for Luca 0:20:33.680 --> 0:20:41.240 or Luca just Luca, Don Johnson, Luca, doncon Donkash, Luca, 0:20:41.320 --> 0:20:47.679 donkysh is going. So the way we can trade some 0:20:47.800 --> 0:20:52.080 of these leaders. So we're gonna talk about conservative leaders. 0:20:52.119 --> 0:20:56.240 See how I bring it all back Luca for a 0:20:56.400 --> 0:21:00.000 d Meanwhile, Luca is not black, No. 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:00.800 He not black. 0:21:01.200 --> 0:21:05.719 But yes, so the same way we can trade ad 0:21:05.840 --> 0:21:09.240 for Luca, I'm gonna trade out Biran McDonald's that conservative 0:21:09.320 --> 0:21:11.840 and bring in general Cole Powell since you said that, 0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:15.960 or alive. So that's my yeah, And I'm just saying 0:21:15.960 --> 0:21:18.280 that because you say conservative. But honestly, I don't need 0:21:18.320 --> 0:21:19.560 a conservative speaking one. 0:21:19.680 --> 0:21:32.520 Yeah, well, it might not be a bad idea to 0:21:32.640 --> 0:21:34.600 get reached Donald Trump. If you have to have somebody 0:21:34.640 --> 0:21:36.359 at the table to reach them, man, maybe you start 0:21:36.359 --> 0:21:36.920 with a bridge. 0:21:36.960 --> 0:21:38.440 Who would you pick? Andrew Gillip? 0:21:39.320 --> 0:21:41.679 Well, I don't necessarily think you have to be a 0:21:41.760 --> 0:21:44.399 partisan to get Donald Trump's attention. You do have to 0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:48.919 demonstrate some sicko fancy for him. 0:21:49.160 --> 0:21:49.760 Who could do that? 0:21:52.119 --> 0:21:55.399 What? What is? Uh? I don't know the agenda of 0:21:58.040 --> 0:21:59.440 former owner of BT which his. 0:21:59.440 --> 0:22:02.120 Name Bob Johnson, Bob John Hale no. 0:22:02.240 --> 0:22:03.159 Is he I don't know. 0:22:03.480 --> 0:22:06.639 Okay, he was, he was, he was he supported Trump 0:22:06.840 --> 0:22:09.720 last time. I haven't heard him say anything this time. 0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:11.919 And it wasn't during the election, right, it was like 0:22:12.040 --> 0:22:12.879 after the election. 0:22:13.200 --> 0:22:14.680 I feel like he came around in some way. 0:22:15.680 --> 0:22:15.960 She was. 0:22:16.080 --> 0:22:20.440 I'm not saying. I'm not saying I'm bad about Bob Johnson. 0:22:20.560 --> 0:22:23.119 Bob Johnson was one of my first clients when I 0:22:23.160 --> 0:22:26.560 started my firm. I do not understand, for the life 0:22:26.560 --> 0:22:28.800 of me, why he would ever support Donald Trump, because 0:22:28.840 --> 0:22:30.000 y'all got real confused. 0:22:30.000 --> 0:22:31.760 If I don't say it this way, I am not 0:22:32.080 --> 0:22:34.600 supporting that or thinking it's a good. 0:22:34.480 --> 0:22:38.200 Idea, but I just you know, people do interesting things 0:22:38.200 --> 0:22:41.520