1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Native Land Pot is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: with Reisent Choice Media. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. 3 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:08,799 Speaker 2: What's up? 4 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:13,239 Speaker 3: Native Lamb Pod? Hey, Angela, Hey, Andrew, Hey Tiffany. My 5 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 3: name is Jessica and I'm sending this video to you 6 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 3: from Houston, Texas. I love Monday's mini pod on who 7 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 3: are our Black Leaders? How I looked at it as 8 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 3: your basketball basketball team. You have your coach, you're starting 9 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,159 Speaker 3: five and a six man. So for a coach, you 10 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:34,239 Speaker 3: have to have Revend Now Sharpton, You're starting five, My 11 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 3: good Sores, Jasmine Crockett, Katanji Brown Jackson. Then we have 12 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 3: Gary Chambers, Justin Pearson, Bacari Sellers, and for the sixth man, 13 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 3: I felt like we needed to have someone in the media, 14 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 3: So I was going back and forth between joe An Reed, 15 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 3: Roland Martin or Don Lemon. But I'm a schoose Joy 16 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 3: and Reed and the Sore. So that is who I 17 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 3: think could our leaders be. And I really love the 18 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 3: idea of having more than one leader because everybody has 19 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 3: strengths in different areas and can reach different demographics generations. 20 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 4: So yeah, welcome home, y'all. 21 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 2: This is our mini pod where we gonna go back 22 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 2: to old school hip hop days with a top five, 23 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,759 Speaker 2: but instead of it applying to hip hop, it applies 24 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:33,479 Speaker 2: to black leadership in this country, which we desperately need, 25 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 2: especially in the trying times that we're in right now. 26 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 2: So I feel like I fulfilled my assignment. Last week 27 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:41,759 Speaker 2: we just code opened with Jessica, who did not honor the assignment. 28 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 2: She didn't like me and have more than five. She 29 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 2: was like, well, you need a coach, and you also 30 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 2: need a six nan and while I'm at it, let 31 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 2: me just throw these other names in here that I 32 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 2: didn't decide on. 33 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 4: So I'm gonna have a full ten deep squad. 34 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 2: But to that point, to the rest of the people 35 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 2: on this squad, my co host Andrew Gillom and Tiffany Cross, 36 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 2: who are in your top five. 37 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: Well, I'm going first Andrew because you are okay, So 38 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: my I want to be clear, this list is for 39 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: people who are going into the White House to sit 40 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 1: at the negotiation table on behalf of black folks. It's 41 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: not personalities, but it's people with like policy areas of 42 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: expertise that I think would benefit black folks. So my 43 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: first nominee drum roll is mister Andrew Gillham. 44 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:34,119 Speaker 2: Uh. 45 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: And I will say why, Andrew. I'm saying you because 46 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,359 Speaker 1: and I thought about this because I know a few 47 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: people who you know, worked in politics and policy at 48 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: different levels. But I think you are the most audacious 49 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: in your policy outlook and plans, the most insightful, like 50 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: you have a wide breath of knowledge historically presently and 51 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:03,239 Speaker 1: also for cast thing what can happen. You've worked at 52 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: the local level, the state level, and I think that 53 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: is a key interest to black folks. That's where a 54 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: lot of policy happens. You are below the Mason Dixon line. 55 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: You're in the South, yes, yes, which I think can 56 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 1: you know has the ability to remake the American electoral map. 57 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: So Andrew, I want you at a table next Latasha Brown. 58 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:33,079 Speaker 1: I think Latasha is a great organizer and just has 59 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: such a bleeding heart for the people. So I think 60 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: she would be gracious enough to see blind spots and 61 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: be able to course correct where something should should be. 62 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: This will maybe a little controversial for y'all, but I 63 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: would also have President Barack Obama at a table. The 64 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: reason being is because he has been in the position 65 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: before and has a wide scope and understanding of what 66 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: happens at the federal level that we may not even know, 67 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: the information that we're not privy to, So I think 68 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: he would have a unique lens in that space and 69 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: be able to guide some parts of the discussion. Then 70 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 1: I would have Revend Barber, because I think Reverend William Barber, 71 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: who leads the Poor People's Campaign, I think he would 72 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 1: be focused on the bottom percentage, the working class people, 73 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: but also people who are just impoverished across the country. 74 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: And he is just a good kind person. I think 75 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: he would be in there and be able to do 76 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: a great job advocating for the people. And then I 77 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: have not come up with a fifth person yet because 78 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: there are several options I have, and I wanted to 79 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: see more black women representation at the table, so absent 80 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: that really this is like my cheating answer. I'm gonna 81 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: go with Justice Kintanji Brown Jackson because I do think 82 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:09,239 Speaker 1: that you need somebody there who's focused on the laws 83 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: as they impact people. If Kintanji, if Justice Jackson is 84 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:18,559 Speaker 1: not available, then I offer Ellie Massal. Ellie Mastal covers 85 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: the courts Harvard, Harvard Law educated attorney is brilliant. His 86 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: wife is even more brilliant. So I feel like whatever 87 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: blind spots he had going in there, it'd be helpful, 88 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 1: uh for him, because we kind of get a black 89 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: man and a black woman with her. Now, some of 90 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: y'all may be wondering, but you didn't say Angela, because 91 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:39,479 Speaker 1: when I was asking this question last week, I said, 92 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: Angela is somebody. I was saying, I know you all 93 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 1: want to go Angela, but I would not send Angela yes, 94 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 1: because we said this president is this president, And I 95 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: don't think Angela or myself, I don't think either of 96 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: us have the temperament to sit there and right precisely, 97 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 1: I would take one for the team, I'm gonna tell y'all, 98 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: but I would definitely want Angela a part of the discussions, uh, 99 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: like you know, the people to prep people before they 100 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: go in. I would want want you there. And then 101 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: my alternate, just in case one of these people got sick, 102 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 1: is Congressman Ayana Presley because she's just always down for people. 103 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 1: So that's my list. Those are good names, Andrew. I'm 104 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 1: looking forward to hearing your names on your list. 105 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,919 Speaker 2: And I know in this I know in this era, 106 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 2: where we're telling people that everybody has their work to do. 107 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 2: I know that you've done your homework, mister mayor, mister. 108 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: Okay was number one on my list because he's so reliable. 109 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 5: Come on, guys, I do my homework. But I told 110 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 5: y'all last week you didn't listen. Probably, I was like, 111 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 5: I'm not so into the names as much as I 112 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 5: am in the uh fabric of the type of. 113 00:06:55,200 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 2: Ain't no fabric, ain't no name pass me, you're. 114 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 4: Not casting you. You have to do your homework. 115 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 6: I didn't. I didn't concentrate on names. 116 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: Okay, then give us the fabric and we're gonna give 117 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: you names. And you say that's what we're gonna do. 118 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 6: You feel a man? 119 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 7: All right? 120 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 3: Here? 121 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 6: The five are. 122 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 5: We need a historian, somebody who knows where where we've been, 123 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 5: Eddie Claude. 124 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 6: I was just saying, you talk about people who are 125 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 6: in the historical. 126 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 4: You said you can't handle names, So we gave you 127 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 4: one night. 128 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: We need a historian with Michael Harriet is the person 129 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: we all right. 130 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 6: I want a revolutionary. 131 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 5: I want a revolutionary Angela Davis revolutionary. 132 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 6: Okay, a revolutionary. I want the bomb thrower. 133 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 5: I want the person who is going to turn the 134 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 5: table over and and be that in the space the 135 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 5: real quick. 136 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: Who is the revolutionary? Angela Davis is. 137 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 4: But she she doesn't move that way, right, Maxine Waters? 138 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 6: True? True enough. 139 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: I Thinkxice progress from the Jasmine Crocket. That might be. 140 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: It's a different place really, Okay, Okay, yeah, I don't 141 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: think the infrastructure. 142 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 5: I think that's the evolutionary is somebody who is probably 143 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 5: as liberated as liberated looks in today's society, which means 144 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 5: that their livelihood, where they're going or where they've been, 145 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 5: is not dependent upon an institution, a politician, any of that. 146 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 6: That they that they stand pretty resolute and. 147 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: The outside of the government and Barry Chambers, maybe he's 148 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: the revolutionary. 149 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 6: Maybe he wants to run. Yeah, I'd love to see him. 150 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: Okay, maybe Alicia Garza, what are we thinking? Alicia Garza 151 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 1: is the revolutionary? Alicia her I want. 152 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 5: The grassroots at the table, and I already know that person. 153 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 5: I didn't do the work on it, but yes, I mean, 154 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 5: I want I want the streets to speak at the table. 155 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 5: Natasha Brown, I want somebody who understands the economics of 156 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 5: the country, the economics of our community and large big 157 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 5: picture systems change. 158 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 4: Derek Hamilton might be a good economics person. 159 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 6: True, the Joint Center. 160 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: Michael Harriet, he studied macroeconomics, so he has a lens 161 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 1: into that. Spencer Overton is that does. 162 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 6: The Joint Center Spencers at the Center. 163 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, does the Joint Center do economics? 164 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: I don't know they do. 165 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 5: I've been to a training by them. But and you 166 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 5: know what, there are probably some people within foundations, within 167 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,199 Speaker 5: progressive foundations who again the name may not be here 168 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 5: for me right now, but I know our deep thinkers 169 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 5: and are very concentrated on not flashing the pans. But 170 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 5: this change creates long term systemic this right. 171 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: And then that's the economist some ason. She wrote a 172 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: great and excellent book on black wealth and money building. 173 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: So Dorothy Brown, I got your economists for you right there. 174 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 2: Okay, Next, what about John O'Bryant or Robert Smith. He's 175 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 2: not an economist, but he's done so much around macro and. 176 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 5: Micro heathern McGee comes to mind. Yeah, oh yeah, in 177 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 5: this sort of picture, a big systems thinker. But she 178 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 5: she you know, she also understands foundationally the economics that 179 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 5: has frankly created the system that we are existing in today. 180 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:31,319 Speaker 5: And then finally, y'all, and this is probably one of 181 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 5: the more important picks, would be figurehead movement leader, sort 182 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 5: of big picture movement leader and Jasmine. I know everyone 183 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 5: would probably default to the historic individuals who. 184 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 6: Show up in this category. Rev. 185 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 5: Ben Crump, Jesse Jackson, you know, like these those those 186 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 5: those things that we know are kind of resident in 187 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 5: that space. 188 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 6: I would go for a fresher face. Jazmin sort of. 189 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,959 Speaker 5: I know she's a politician as well, but I think 190 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 5: somebody who speaks can get the attention of the people 191 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 5: at every strata of the movement and can activate them 192 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 5: off their word, right, And there are people who have 193 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 5: the ability, who have the power in different places to 194 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:23,439 Speaker 5: make moves. And I'm not sure if I threw this 195 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 5: category out, but I did put in there sort of 196 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 5: your your political person who knows how these sort of 197 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 5: how these puzzle pieces fit together. So that idea won't 198 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:41,319 Speaker 5: work because it's isolated, there's no accountability, it doesn't feedback 199 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 5: into anything. Somebody who can spot that and call it out, 200 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 5: you know, sort of immediately. And I don't know him 201 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 5: all that terribly well, but I do respect him a 202 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 5: great deal. And that's how King Jeffries as somebody who 203 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 5: you know, ten years in the Congress, was able to 204 00:11:56,520 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 5: ascend into leadership. And I believe has a big picture 205 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 5: frame to ss to to you know, how how pieces 206 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 5: fit together, more to work, to work for us. He's kind, 207 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 5: So that's kind of what you might get in this role, right, 208 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 5: somebody who knows where the body's are buried. 209 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 6: Right. 210 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:18,559 Speaker 5: Well, we didn't call the e I out, but let 211 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 5: me tell you the thirty places in which this within 212 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 5: this budget where it is right. 213 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:33,839 Speaker 1: Well, we have other people in that list. 214 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:37,719 Speaker 6: What do you say, ye did? Listeners? 215 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 4: The listeners, Let's roll some nick. 216 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:44,359 Speaker 7: What's up Native Land? I'm Larry and I'm in Dallas. 217 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 8: My top five leaders are as follows, in no particular order, Tanahase, 218 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 8: cos Corey Bush, number three, Michael Eric Dyson, Stacy Abrams, 219 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 8: and last but not least, Roland Martin. I think with 220 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 8: all five of them at the table, we can get 221 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 8: to the bottom of issues of reparations, you know, moving 222 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 8: forward with the community as a collective, so on and 223 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 8: so forth. Those are my top five leaders in our community. 224 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 4: You know. 225 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,439 Speaker 2: The thing I appreciate about what he said and as 226 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 2: Tip sits in Roland Martin studio. By the way, I 227 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 2: also really appreciate him bringing up Corey Bush. I think 228 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 2: and Andrew, like, I know you can personally relate to this. 229 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 4: I just be emotional about this stuff. But like when. 230 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 2: Our leaders, these people that have like have such favor 231 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 2: on their lives to serve the people in the ways 232 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:48,439 Speaker 2: that you all do, and then you don't win an election, 233 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,959 Speaker 2: especially to somebody who you know that you're more qualified than, 234 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:56,319 Speaker 2: have more integrity than, etc. You never want to see 235 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 2: good people that are strong orders and super brilliant and 236 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 2: to have his great convictions about how to move this 237 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 2: country forward and for the people like you never want 238 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 2: to see them discarded. 239 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:11,679 Speaker 4: So I'm so late, sister, you know. 240 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: I just want to say, though, like some of the 241 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: people they're saying, like we love Roro, but Roro is 242 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: not a policy person, you know, like he is a 243 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: journalist there to cover. So I'm sure Roro would love 244 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: to be at the table. I don't know that. 245 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 4: He's definitely going. He's definitely going. 246 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 6: He's sitting next to April. 247 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 4: But I know no, Row does not want to be 248 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 4: at the end of the journalism. 249 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 2: Roland wants to tell you, like if he probably would 250 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 2: disagree with you on him not being the police person. 251 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 2: Roland is the camera operator, the sound engineer, the journalist himself, 252 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 2: the key interviewer, the policy person, they resident history and 253 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 2: the voting rights advocate, the charter school's advocate. What if 254 00:14:53,560 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 2: I missed the black agenda, history, all of it, divine resident, 255 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 2: divine nine, let you know, and the bule. 256 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: I want the bullet. I want him to get the 257 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: first exclusive interview with the people who were in the 258 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: room and then come out and tell Roland what happened. 259 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: I also want Roland to be a part of the 260 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 1: council before they go into the strategy fashion right right, yeah, 261 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 1: but I should have I'm telling you. 262 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 2: Right now, participating the prep team. He's gonna be like, 263 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 2: I'm going, who's seeing my take? 264 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 4: I am going? Ro You know, I am lying? You know, 265 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 4: I am right. 266 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 2: I'm the coach and I'm Steph Curry and. 267 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: I'm when I see my little video tape on my 268 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: iPhone and ask him what you what you say? 269 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 6: Yes? 270 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 4: And we post that that's excellent, Like are you going? 271 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 4: Would you be? Would you want the. 272 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 2: Exclusive or would you want to be at the table 273 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 2: roll and be like, hello, want both. 274 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 4: Okay, let's play another one. Let's play another one. 275 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 9: Gets podcast in your recomdition for the leadership, I gotta 276 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 9: I gotta have a women's team and the men's team. 277 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 9: On my women's team, of course, I'm gonna start off 278 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 9: with Tiffany Cross. 279 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 7: She's gonna do the messaging, organizing events. 280 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 9: Uh. 281 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 7: Gotta have Angela Rod on my political education. 282 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 9: I would like to bring in Karen Hunter for dissimulating 283 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 9: the dissecting government rules. Of course, Jasmine is my my rookie, 284 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 9: my rising star. Gotta have her on the team and 285 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 9: rounding out my women's I gotta have kept Vany K. 286 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 9: Williams to do my judicial Gotta have my judicial part 287 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 9: of that. On my men's side, of course, I got 288 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 9: my man Andrew gonna be working doing the social I 289 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 9: got my man name doctor Claude Anderson. 290 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 7: He's gonna mentor a lot of the leadership. 291 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 9: I got Wes Moore up and rising leader governor of Maryland. 292 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 7: I like this guy. I know y'all don't like him. 293 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 9: I think he would be a good I said to 294 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 9: the team Byron McDonald, I don't like him. 295 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 7: I like Roland Martin from the black Star Network, and 296 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 7: that's it. I appreciate y'all taking my time. Hopefully we'll 297 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 7: see you on Thursdays. 298 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 2: Wait a minute, you guys, I'm dying. And he said, 299 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 2: I know y'all don't like him. I thought you said 300 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:19,199 Speaker 2: about Wes Moore. Then he said Byron McDonald, and I'm like, oh, 301 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 2: he said about Byron Donald. 302 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: Now he Byron McDonald. That's all we're gonna call him. 303 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 4: That Byron Byron McDonald's. 304 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 2: I am fascinated by that list because what I think 305 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 2: this kind of brings some attention to is the fact 306 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:41,479 Speaker 2: that uh uh, we still have hold on well why 307 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 2: why are you okay, No, I'm sorry, I was looking. 308 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 2: I thought we had warre But what it brings attention 309 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 2: to is there are people in our community who don't 310 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 2: see themselves squarely and partisan boxes. I think in some 311 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 2: ways that some of us at times, we don't say. 312 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 4: We're neatly Democrat. 313 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,919 Speaker 2: We vote Democrat, but that's not really Andrew is a 314 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 2: party person for the most part. I would say, I know, 315 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 2: and I don't understand why we're still there because they 316 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 2: ain't standard bearer your ass back. 317 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 6: But I've got a majority, it's ours. 318 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 4: Okay. 319 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 2: Well, the point I'm not trying to vote Republican. I'm 320 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 2: just saying I'm not going to fall on the sword 321 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 2: for these efforts. But the point is it's interesting because 322 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,360 Speaker 2: there are people in our community that don't hear things 323 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 2: through a partisan lens. They just are like, Okay, this 324 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 2: person offers some good ideas. He said he likes Byron Donald's. 325 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 2: I would like to know why, but I've not I've 326 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 2: not only heard that from him, I've heard that from 327 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 2: a lot of people who feel like he's an effective communicator, 328 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 2: even if what he's saying is not always true. So 329 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 2: I'm curious to know what you all think about that. 330 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,919 Speaker 2: Is there a place for someone who's not as partisan 331 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 2: or independent or conservative at a table in our top five? 332 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 2: And if you had to pick a conservative to go in, 333 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 2: who would your conservative person be? 334 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 6: Well? 335 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 1: Can can I just really general? 336 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 4: I'll do that general alive? How about that deader alive? 337 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: I like that at our life just really quickly. I 338 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: love that question. I don't haven't answered yet. I just 339 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: wanted to give some of the because to your point, 340 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 1: there are people off social media who weighed in on 341 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 1: this okay, So Unicorn V said that Nicole Hannah Jones 342 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: has to be in the room. Uh. The tenth letter said, 343 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 1: yah seen bay most deaf. I don't know why, but okay, 344 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: I'm not mad at that conscious. So someone said Michelle 345 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 1: Obama that fly fly tip eighty six at Michelle Obama. Uh. 346 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 1: Co Cole Chanel's saying we need to stop looking at 347 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: our own community through the lens of oppressors, which I appreciate. 348 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: So she says Oprah would be. 349 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 4: Good a lot of things. 350 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: We got a lot of Roland Martin, a lot of 351 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: President Obama, a lot of Hakeen Jeffries. To your point, 352 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: Charles blow came up. Anthony Lebron, said Charles Blow. Oh 353 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,120 Speaker 1: speaking to Anthony Lebron, did y'all know that ad got 354 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,400 Speaker 1: traded from Lakers? Anyway? We'll pick that up another time. 355 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 4: Who did he get traded for? Tiff, Who do you 356 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 4: get traded from? 357 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: You may not have heard of this guy because his 358 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 1: name is funny, but Luca, Luca what he doesn't have 359 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: He just goes by Luca. He doesn't go by a 360 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: last name. Everybody who did a D get traded to 361 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 1: Tip He is going to Dallas. Very good for Luca 362 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: or Luca just Luca, Don Johnson, Luca, doncon Donkash, Luca, 363 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:47,679 Speaker 1: donkysh is going. So the way we can trade some 364 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: of these leaders. So we're gonna talk about conservative leaders. 365 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 1: See how I bring it all back Luca for a 366 00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: d Meanwhile, Luca is not black, No. 367 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 4: He not black. 368 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:05,719 Speaker 1: But yes, so the same way we can trade ad 369 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 1: for Luca, I'm gonna trade out Biran McDonald's that conservative 370 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: and bring in general Cole Powell since you said that, 371 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: or alive. So that's my yeah, And I'm just saying 372 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: that because you say conservative. But honestly, I don't need 373 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: a conservative speaking one. 374 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it might not be a bad idea to 375 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 2: get reached Donald Trump. If you have to have somebody 376 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 2: at the table to reach them, man, maybe you start 377 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 2: with a bridge. 378 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 4: Who would you pick? Andrew Gillip? 379 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,679 Speaker 5: Well, I don't necessarily think you have to be a 380 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 5: partisan to get Donald Trump's attention. You do have to 381 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:48,919 Speaker 5: demonstrate some sicko fancy for him. 382 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: Who could do that? 383 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 6: What? What is? Uh? I don't know the agenda of 384 00:21:58,040 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 6: former owner of BT which his. 385 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 1: Name Bob Johnson, Bob John Hale no. 386 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 6: Is he I don't know. 387 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 2: Okay, he was, he was, he was he supported Trump 388 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 2: last time. I haven't heard him say anything this time. 389 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 2: And it wasn't during the election, right, it was like 390 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 2: after the election. 391 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 4: I feel like he came around in some way. 392 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 5: She was. 393 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 4: I'm not saying. I'm not saying I'm bad about Bob Johnson. 394 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 2: Bob Johnson was one of my first clients when I 395 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 2: started my firm. I do not understand, for the life 396 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 2: of me, why he would ever support Donald Trump, because 397 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 2: y'all got real confused. 398 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 4: If I don't say it this way, I am not 399 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 4: supporting that or thinking it's a good. 400 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 2: Idea, but I just you know, people do interesting things 401 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 2: these days, So you think Bob Johnson should be at 402 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 2: the table. 403 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 5: Andrew, I was trying to think of somebody who Donald 404 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 5: Trump might have something respect for and some familiarity. 405 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 6: Don Peebles might be somebody that. 406 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 4: Was very cool with Donald Trump last go around. 407 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 5: And he also has you know, he's also sort of 408 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 5: insconsin some ways in black politics. Federal State Logo was. 409 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 4: The chair of the Congressional Black Haugs Foundation. 410 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 5: Right, So I'm thinking that within that, within that vein, 411 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 5: I don't. I don't really know how supportive or non 412 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 5: supportive they were, but I think that they're the type 413 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 5: that might. 414 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 6: Run in a Trump circle socially. 415 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:29,440 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm torn. I'm torn between two. Actually, not torn. 416 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 2: I'm clear mine is not alive. He was my father's mentor. 417 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 2: There's a great man by the name of doctor Arthur 418 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 2: Fletcher who was the father of affirmative action. And I 419 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 2: think it would be imperative, especially in this moment, for 420 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 2: Donald Trump to hear from someone who was appointed by 421 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 2: Richard Nixon that, dee, I diversity, equity, inclusion is important 422 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 2: not only for the fabric of this country, but for 423 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 2: its economic viability and for our global standing. And I 424 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 2: think that there's no better advocate for that than the 425 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 2: father of affirmative action himself, doctor Fletcher. 426 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 5: And he's I wouldn't even insult doctor Fletcher with them people, 427 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 5: I think. 428 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 2: That, uh, well, I think doctor Fletcher would be willing 429 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 2: to do it. I remember my dad telling me that 430 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:23,880 Speaker 2: George H. W. Bush had convinced him to endorse Clarence 431 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 2: Thomas before the Anita Hill stuff and everything came out, 432 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 2: and he said one of his biggest regrets in life 433 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 2: was ever endorsing Clarence Thomas. And I'm just bringing that 434 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 2: up to say too when I'm thinking about our podcast 435 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 2: from Thursday. You know, at what point do we allow 436 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 2: people to walk back their mistakes, you know, live with 437 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 2: their regrets, but then move forward. I think that there's 438 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 2: a lesson in there, you know, in terms of how 439 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 2: we come back together. 440 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 4: Oh yes, talking about. 441 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: Well she endorsed Clarence Thomas. At the time, I did 442 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:57,640 Speaker 1: not know that. 443 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 5: Yes, yes, our legacy civil rights groups collapsed. 444 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 6: I mean it was Bernie Jordan's is the is the Trump? 445 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:08,360 Speaker 3: Uh? 446 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 6: Is the Trump whisperer? He's no longer, you know. 447 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 5: I just think he is the type of graph who 448 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 5: understands this whole system well enough. And I think he'd 449 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 5: be listening to all the voices in the room to 450 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 5: find the through line. 451 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 6: To reach this man's He's very charming in some way. There. 452 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,439 Speaker 5: He's you feel like he hears you and like he 453 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:35,400 Speaker 5: can internalize it translated and put it back out there. 454 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 6: Okay's strength. I got one. 455 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: This is when you were saying this, I was thinking 456 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: about the streets, like the streets need to be represented. 457 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: Y'all might not like it. I might lose my man corner. 458 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: But I'm about to tell y'all want there who applies? 459 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 6: I want you? 460 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,879 Speaker 2: You got car I love Cardi Carti. I'm fine with 461 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 2: because Carti to me. Now, I'm about to start a 462 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,159 Speaker 2: whole battle people to be mad at me again. I 463 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 2: stay in trouble with these damn rappers. Well listen, let 464 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 2: me just tell you guys this one thing. I actually 465 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 2: would invite Plies onto this show because I got some 466 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 2: questions we need to show. You should come on the show, 467 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 2: because I want to know why are you talking like that? 468 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 4: And you got a nursing degree. 469 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 2: I want to know why do you move the way 470 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 2: you move and talk about holes the way you be 471 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 2: talking about hose but you got a whole. 472 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 4: Wife at home. I just got questions about why. 473 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 2: Like, you can't be a translator if you're not starting 474 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 2: from a basis and foundation of truth though, And I 475 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 2: think that's it sounds like he's not truthful. 476 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 1: Well you know, I mean Tad Plies and have him 477 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: come on the show. 478 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 2: Might be some yeah questions because maybe I'm wrong. 479 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 4: I would like to be proven wrong. 480 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 2: But I feel like there's there are some things that 481 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 2: he's putting on there's some mascot like behaviors that aren't 482 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 2: true to who he is, and I. 483 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,360 Speaker 4: Just would like to know will the real plies stand up? 484 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 1: I think because I was gonna says. 485 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 6: Have an alter, have an alter ego, have a you. 486 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: Know, Aldernon, I think Algernon. 487 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 5: But I'm not gonna put him in the jail hospital 488 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:19,360 Speaker 5: that what I love. Man in jail, I think, no, 489 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 5: that's not you know me whole friend. Yes, So what 490 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 5: I want to say is he can come out to 491 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 5: penalty box because I think he translates. 492 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:36,239 Speaker 6: Very similar to Cardi, b very direct. 493 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 5: Honest, a little in the gutter with it, information that 494 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 5: people I think, but for their communicating to them, would 495 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:45,679 Speaker 5: not follow it. 496 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 2: Otherwise, I tell you what, I'm gonna pull some clips 497 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 2: of him saying something and somebody else saying something before him, 498 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 2: and it being very similar, very plagiarism like and I So, 499 00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 2: I just that's my one thing with Cardi. I feel 500 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 2: like it's different because she's speaking to her actual authentic experience. Again, 501 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 2: I'm down to be proven wrong, but I just feel 502 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,959 Speaker 2: like it's a little mascottish. 503 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: Well, okay, I like I would love to hear from flies. 504 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 1: I think Plies has a great way to communicating and 505 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 1: has given sound. And I like Party too because I 506 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: think CARTI she's very knowledgeable on President for one, which 507 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: I appreciate. She always knows what she's talking about, and 508 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: she does have, I think, respectfully, a very gutter way 509 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: of communicating. 510 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:35,400 Speaker 4: Uh. 511 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: Sometimes that that speaks to a lot of people. And 512 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 1: I also think it is the amidexterity of our kind, uh, 513 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: that we can show up in different ways and be 514 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: different kind of people. We can be who we need 515 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 1: to be when we need to be it. Y'all, y'all 516 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 1: Bible kids, the Bible that I am, that I am, 517 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: That means I'm who I need to be. Well that 518 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: that that is the Lord talk. But I'm just I'm 519 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: just saying. I'm just saying. 520 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 4: For the God, his image and likeness. She wasn't trying 521 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 4: to be. 522 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 1: But my point is, like this conversation, Yeah, I like 523 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 1: it too, So what's what is this? Because the last time. 524 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 5: We show up that way, so long as it's in 525 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 5: service to us, But what is the conversation that adjustment 526 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 5: because he it's in service to to what he's trying 527 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 5: to do. 528 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 1: We got to wrap this conversation but we were getting 529 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 1: into another one, So what is the conversation that you 530 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 1: because I like where we were going to have it 531 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 1: as another mini pod. 532 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like it's just. 533 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 2: It feels like today's theme overall, like in all the recordings, 534 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 2: is about like knowing what to do and then playing 535 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 2: your position, And I just think whatever that is like 536 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 2: being in your most most authentic truth, living true to mission, 537 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 2: and not trying to envy somebody else, like oh it 538 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 2: looks cooler over there, let me go over there and 539 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 2: do that. Like You've talked about this a lot, Tiff 540 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 2: and Andrew, you too about you know, entertainers have a role. 541 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 2: They historically have had a role in the civil rights 542 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 2: movement even before that, in ensuring that our issues are heard, 543 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 2: demands are med, et cetera. 544 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 4: But they're still entertainers. 545 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 2: And so at the end of the day, who are 546 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 2: our policy folks, our think tank leaders? Civil rights leaders 547 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 2: are elected officials that are playing their position that we 548 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 2: know we can go to. And I think those and 549 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 2: and influencers are also different that can spread a message 550 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 2: that has already been established. 551 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 4: Those roles are starting. 552 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 2: To become muddled, and I think we should unmuddy the 553 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 2: water for clarity's sake, so that we can keep moving 554 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 2: in a way that is beneficial and and and and 555 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 2: helpfully helps black people seal the victory. 556 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 6: Which is why I would like politicians to stop trying 557 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 6: to be celebrities. 558 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: That's another to do. So we got we have the 559 00:30:52,320 --> 00:31:00,080 Speaker 1: minipie on slang and different words andicon uh that that 560 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: exists in different regions among black folks. Now we have 561 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 1: one on play your position, which I like. I thought 562 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: you were going in the more abstract when you said 563 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 1: I like this conversation because there's something there. We need 564 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 1: to flesh it out more. But something like how you 565 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 1: show up, like the different ways you show up? 566 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 4: You know, what does it mean to be authentical? 567 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 1: I like that. Okay, so those three. 568 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 6: Gets to be the judge of that, well, you and yourself. 569 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 1: I think that's the point, right. 570 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 5: If I am showing up in a space in a 571 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 5: particular way, I'm not doing it because I think it's 572 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 5: going to not be a good representative self. I'm doing 573 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 5: it because I think at this time, and in this 574 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 5: place and in this way, me showing up this way 575 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 5: is in service to what I'm trying to accomplish for 576 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 5: either us the people, or for myself. And I'm not 577 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 5: talking about me. I'm just saying I was thinking about 578 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 5: some of what you were saying about how some of 579 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 5: us show up, some of us look like freaking cartoon 580 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 5: characters in some places in some way, and then you 581 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 5: want to loot back around and say something that you 582 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 5: know is stimulating to me, and I should take you 583 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 5: as a real opinion leader. 584 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 7: You know. 585 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 5: It's just it's like it's that's the podcast. It's like 586 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 5: Jamie Fox going from comedian to singer. Like I couldn't 587 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 5: listen to his first you know album. 588 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 6: My favorite? Can I say it's my favorite period? 589 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 10: I bumped watch his special to get over the fact 590 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 10: that he was you know, the fire Chief and Living 591 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 10: Color and. 592 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 4: He was not. 593 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 2: Carry he was one You guys, go to Homie. The 594 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 2: clowns even know the man. Try to keep him down. 595 00:32:48,160 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 2: One day Homie will. 596 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: Use We gotta go. So thank you guys for tuning 597 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 1: in this mini pod. We have a lot. We got 598 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 1: a lot of mini pods left. So remember we drove 599 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 1: minipod Drop every Monday. 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