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Speaker 2: Now your host knew, he scrugs.

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Speaker 3: Here we are.

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Speaker 4: of Famer, Edward Channel Late, the author Jean Jacques Taylor.

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Speaker 4: He wrote the book Coach Prime. I'm new, he scruggs.

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Speaker 4: We're sponsored by nobody, but that could change one day.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna write the book on Kellen Moore.

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Speaker 6: Maybe, Yes, Howard Eskin may fight you about it.

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Speaker 5: He's got his own problem.

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Speaker 7: Right now.

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Speaker 5: Yes, a job, I think, But.

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Speaker 2: Does he still have a mink cope.

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Speaker 3: And they get it run out for burrating some female

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Speaker 3: staff or so well.

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Speaker 5: We may find out this weekend because Philly is still playing.

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Speaker 6: Philly is still playing.

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Speaker 4: Okay, let me make sure I get the proper things

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Speaker 4: out of the way so I don't get in trouble. Uh,

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Speaker 4: mister Werder, you had a tweet so that Dion Sanders,

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Speaker 4: I'll let.

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Speaker 6: You go ahead and follow up.

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Speaker 5: I tweeted that based on talking to people close to him,

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Speaker 5: which is not Jock. Jock is not my source, just

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Speaker 5: putting that out there avoid any confusion, that if Jerry

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Speaker 5: Jones offers Dion Sanders the chance to be the next

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Speaker 5: head coach, he'll almost certainly accept it. That the people

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Speaker 5: around Dion are encouraging him to pursue it, and that

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Speaker 5: Jerry is fascinated by the idea of it all. And

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Speaker 5: let me just let me give you a little sense

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Speaker 5: of why that might be, that Jerry's fascinated and just

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Speaker 5: the kind of impact higher this could be. So I

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Speaker 5: basically tweeted four things about the NFL and the Cowboys today.

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Speaker 5: One of them was about Bill Belichick and his contract status.

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Speaker 5: His contract apparently is not yet signed at North Carolina,

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Speaker 5: which led a lot of people to speculate about whether

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Speaker 5: Jerry Jones might come in last minute and try and

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Speaker 5: hire him without having to pay the ten million dollars,

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Speaker 5: And that got one hundred and fifty nine thousand engagements.

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Speaker 5: I then tweeted about Dion what I basically just told

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Speaker 5: you that got one point two million engagements. Kellen Moore

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Speaker 5: being interviewed by the Cowboys got fifteen thousand engagements. So

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Speaker 5: there's just there. There's Jerry's motivation from.

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Speaker 3: How many followers you got?

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Speaker 5: Two hundred and fifty two hundred forty thousands a good number.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I got to ads to them engagement the Bill

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Speaker 8: Belichick think, let's be honest, he hadn't signed the contract,

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Speaker 8: but it quick pro quote he's he's doing, we're working

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Speaker 8: for them.

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Speaker 3: That would be hard.

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Speaker 5: Don't forget what he did with the Jets. He took

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Speaker 5: the Jets job and then hand wrote a piece of

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Speaker 5: paper and handed it to him that he was resigning

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Speaker 5: as the coach.

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Speaker 3: How far hard?

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Speaker 5: What was a while ago?

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Speaker 8: But I mean, don't want to say the time in

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Speaker 8: between taking a job and walking away.

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Speaker 4: Really close, right, this is many DZ took the job,

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Speaker 4: then ran on off and went to Miami hired working.

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Speaker 5: So I mean college, there would be lawyers for sure.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it'd be a lot of lawyers.

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Speaker 8: And Lombardi is certainly who's you know, been tweeting out

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Speaker 8: pushing back on all of that.

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Speaker 5: Well, Lombardi's there. He doesn't want to lose his.

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Speaker 8: Job exactly GM anywhere else, but exactly regarded Dion thing.

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Speaker 3: And I respect your report.

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Speaker 5: That's fine. You can contradict it all you one.

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Speaker 8: I'm not contradicted of this addings, you know, just different

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Speaker 8: perspective layering. Yeah, layer, I talked to someone who spoke

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Speaker 8: spent most of the day with dealing on.

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Speaker 3: Tuesday, I was here. I just want to make sure

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Speaker 8: And he said that Dion made no conversations, never really

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Speaker 8: closed former teammates who's spent a lot of time with them,

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Speaker 8: continues to been a lot.

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Speaker 3: Of time with them.

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Speaker 9: Uh.

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Speaker 8: They made no conversations about the Cowboys. They only talked

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Speaker 8: about Colorado, Colorado extension and getting things right and Travis

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Speaker 8: Hunder's situation he spent he spent a lot of time

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Speaker 8: for a coach who recently re up with them or

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Speaker 8: read some relip in with them, and he said, and

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Speaker 8: that's possible, So that it is.

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Speaker 5: Possible, Deane and Jerry's proven anything possible.

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Speaker 10: Let me give you one more layer, which is you

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Speaker 10: can never forget that this man spent about thirty days

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Speaker 10: in the hospital and really nobody knew what he was

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Speaker 10: doing because his circle is that tight and that loyal

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Speaker 10: to him.

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Speaker 5: His recent toe surgery.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, because if if you, if you, if you breach

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Speaker 10: the trust of that circle, you will never get back

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Speaker 10: in that circle. So so the people who are the

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Speaker 10: very closest to him, that would be the that he

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Speaker 10: might discuss these things with, they ain't really talking to nobody.

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Speaker 10: And so everything we get is a word from a

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Speaker 10: word from a word doesn't mean it's not true. It

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Speaker 10: just means that, you know, it's been my experience that

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Speaker 10: you know, he just doesn't reveal a lot of what

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Speaker 10: his real thoughts are to people.

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Speaker 2: Now, just like y'all, I talked.

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Speaker 6: To some people out that.

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Speaker 2: Not being said, and I went the other approach.

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Speaker 10: Now, these people would probably be the last to know,

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Speaker 10: but I went to some of those some of those

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Speaker 10: recent recruits, some of those people that he flipped, some

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Speaker 10: of those people that he convinced to come in the

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Speaker 10: last two weeks, and they were all like, God, we

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Speaker 10: hope he stays. But he's given us no indication that

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Speaker 10: our kids having don't have any not that they really

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Speaker 10: would because these things happened. As a friend of mine

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Speaker 10: once said very early this morning in a Cloak and

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Speaker 10: Daggett style, and it becomes at nine o'clock he was

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Speaker 10: our coach and at ten o'clock he was not our coach.

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Speaker 2: Because why sports is fluid.

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Speaker 5: Right, right, And I'm not sure, and I think it's

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Speaker 5: going to happen. In fact, I've had people close to

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Speaker 5: and they would bet that it's not going to happen.

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Speaker 5: That would be me, but it was not you either.

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Speaker 5: But but the point is the first person that we

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Speaker 5: know Jerry reached out to, and Dion was very careful

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Speaker 5: to make sure that as you described the conversation, it

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Speaker 5: was Jerry who initiated the phone call. And Jerry has

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Speaker 5: surprised us in this realm how many times before, Like

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Speaker 5: trying to predict his behavior in hiring a coach is

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Speaker 5: a totally dangerous game.

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Speaker 8: No, no, no, no doubt. And you know you say enamored.

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Speaker 8: I remember Jerry being a number with Johnny Menzil and.

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Speaker 3: It almost happened, I know, but he was stopped from me,

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Speaker 5: And and he was also enamored with Dion as a player,

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Speaker 5: and he was almost stopped by Stephen Jones, who might be.

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Speaker 3: Trying to do this right now, en with Tarylllewans. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying, but most recently, though that was years ago.

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Speaker 3: Most recently, you know, he's been stopped from making you

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Speaker 3: know it thinks he's been enamored with.

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Speaker 5: I've seen nothing to suggest that what Jerry was thirty

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Speaker 5: years ago is different than what Jerry is now.

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Speaker 3: Well, let's talk.

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Speaker 2: About this from another perspective. Why would Dion?

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Speaker 10: What does Dion want from the job other than it's

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Speaker 10: the Cowboys job?

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Speaker 2: And is that enough to the NFL?

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Speaker 5: It's it's the highest level of competition there is. There's

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Speaker 5: not anything in that alluding to him. That's never been

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Speaker 5: a competitor. That's never been an allure for him.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's never he's and I've had a bunch.

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Speaker 10: Of conversations with him over the last several years about

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Speaker 10: college football the NFL.

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Speaker 2: And not once says.

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Speaker 10: His whole thing has been I don't want to deal

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Speaker 5: I like these guys, the guys he has or just

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Speaker 5: like professional athletes.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know they're moving that way, and so that, but.

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Speaker 8: He also has control over the money. He like to

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Speaker 8: the other day, if you're great, we're taking your money.

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Speaker 5: If your brain's fall.

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Speaker 3: We're taking your money. You know. He tweeted like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: he's smoking weed. You out of here. You know, he

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Speaker 3: has more control over those guys.

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Speaker 8: He would have of NFL and the guy that's really

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Speaker 8: I mean, he's I mean, he's like he probably would

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Speaker 8: be more like Jimmy or Parcels anybody else.

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Speaker 2: He ain't really no fun to play with in a.

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Speaker 10: Lot of cases, play four, play four, because he's so

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Speaker 10: demanding and he don't have no filter. He's Kurt, I mean,

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Speaker 10: he's he's a He is hard on them dudes, and

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Speaker 10: you know, it would be a fascinating look to see

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Speaker 2: And he's gonna try us.

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Speaker 8: And one thing that we talked about this morning, you

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Speaker 8: could expound even further, but everybody did to have a

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Speaker 8: chummy chummer relationship. Okay, he and Jerry, But having a

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Speaker 8: chummy chump relationship and working together as two different things.

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Speaker 8: Because Dion is as much a dictator as Jerry is.

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Speaker 8: He's a guy that wants final say on everything, on

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Speaker 8: everything he knows you're not getting that.

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Speaker 3: Well, then that that's.

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Speaker 8: Part of it, you know, because he wants he gonna

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Speaker 8: want final say on the roster and different things like that.

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Speaker 5: You got a coaching staff, not just that, he got

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Speaker 5: his own PR guy and his own camera crews, and

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Speaker 2: That all fit with, you know, what the Cowboys do?

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Speaker 10: And because my brand is Dion Sanders and well Off

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Speaker 10: media that my son does and we got our own

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Speaker 10: thing going over here, and how.

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Speaker 2: Does that fit into what the Cowboys doing?

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Speaker 5: With the Cowboys's going to be more in house camera

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Speaker 5: people over here than you've ever seen in your life.

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Speaker 3: Got to sign way and now I'll be in the

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Speaker 2: You know what, perhaps there is different.

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Speaker 3: I'll be back in the locker room.

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Speaker 8: But yeah, it's it's the thing that I on the

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Speaker 8: flip side. And then we talked about, you know, this

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Speaker 8: whole process. You know, usually the process when the college

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Speaker 8: coach leaves, it's in the dark of the night because

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Speaker 8: you don't really go through an interview process. You know,

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Speaker 8: my agent talked to your agent all of the sudden,

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Speaker 8: we got a deal, and you leave into all the

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Speaker 8: players or find out the last minute. With the NFL process,

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Speaker 8: you got to do these interviews, you know, and you

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Speaker 8: go through this second round of interviews.

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Speaker 3: How does that work with a college.

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Speaker 8: Coach who's recruiting and got these families and players weren't

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Speaker 8: about the future. People use that for negative recruiting against you,

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Speaker 8: because the even if you talk to the Cowboys you

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Speaker 8: don't go next year, it is still on.

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Speaker 5: The tape gets used against you.

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Speaker 3: It gets used against you. It definitely gets you if

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Speaker 3: us but you want to stay, it's gonna be used

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Speaker 5: that is, well, you're not gonna coach your kids in Colorado,

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Speaker 5: So what's the difference. If you're not gonna coach him here,

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Speaker 5: You're not gonna coach him there, doesn't make any difference.

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Speaker 5: Go coach him in Tennessee.

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Speaker 10: The great bit about that point is a lot of

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Speaker 2: Just the Cowboys?

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Speaker 10: Just the ell, No dog, I got a whole I

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Speaker 2: What bar Brian is Alabama?

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Speaker 10: Or Dabbo is the Clemson of Woody Hayes And both

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Speaker 3: And in this bare brag, do y'all have a statue wood.

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Speaker 5: Brutus is it wre noting that the only that the

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Speaker 3: It's gonna put Barry in it. Hired one with Jimmy's guy.

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Speaker 5: You know how he won.

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Speaker 3: I was there. I'm just like he was an architect

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Speaker 5: I didn't say he was an architect. I said he

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Speaker 2: He was the architect they demise.

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Speaker 6: So let's let's dive into a little bit of what

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Speaker 4: Pertain this to to Dion in college coaching, is the

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Speaker 6: Versus you come here. He's not the generalman.

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Speaker 3: First Colorado is not a better job than the Cowboys.

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Speaker 5: If you're the first coach to lead the Cowboys to

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Speaker 5: you can do in Colorado.

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Speaker 3: Okay, this is true. Is this not a better job

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Speaker 6: I said, based on having the ability?

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Speaker 5: Right, he does have autonomy there, That's that's all it is.

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Speaker 6: I'm not saying. I'm not saying. I'm talking about the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, now, we talked about it. That's what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 8: That that thing that Colorado's because it's built around him, and

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Speaker 8: that's what we talked about. Everything about Colorado is built

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Speaker 6: That's my point.

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Speaker 5: Does he have He'll never have the autonomy anywhere else

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Speaker 6: Right, That's why I'm asked. That's my point of asking.

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Speaker 4: Is it a better job because you get to be

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Speaker 5: Depends on what you're in it for.

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Speaker 6: You're not worried about you know, you're doing the radio show.

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Speaker 4: You don't have to worry about a press conference going

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Speaker 6: I mean, from that standpoint.

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Speaker 4: That's that's my question, not about I mean, we know

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Speaker 5: I'm just saying, what you could accomplish here is far

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Speaker 6: Will snatch the trophy out of your hands when they

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Speaker 5: Deon did that. He ran off the field in Arizona

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Speaker 4: latest interview that will happen. It is going to happen virtually,

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Speaker 4: I'm told so. Ed Eagles is getting ready to face

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Speaker 5: To the divisional championship games.

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Speaker 6: Yes, get to a championship game here and his answer.

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Speaker 5: That's because his team beat the seventh seed last week,

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Speaker 6: You are you are very much. I don't know who

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Speaker 2: The only team that lost what Dallas? Okay twenty seven

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Speaker 5: I don't twist, I just put it in. I would

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Speaker 6: You mean, hey, let's shake it, shake it up.

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Speaker 5: It was nice having one off season show.

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Speaker 6: I hope you liked it.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, go ahead, I.

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Speaker 5: Got two kids. I ain't worried. So, as it turns out,

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Speaker 5: Kellen Moore, the former offensive coordinator who relinquished his spot

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Speaker 5: to interview him virtually interview can't last more than three hours.

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Speaker 5: Seems a ridiculous time for a coach who has a

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Speaker 5: But yeah, I think he would have. He would probably

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Speaker 2: Now do you think he would be a good head coach?

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Speaker 3: That's two different conversations, I think.

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Speaker 5: I think that guy would be willing to give him

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Speaker 5: I mean, you can't you can't question how good he

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Speaker 2: We've seen it.

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Speaker 5: He has a relationship with Dak, he has a relationship

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Speaker 5: that's a hard thing to know, because when Matt Lafleur

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Speaker 5: left Tennessee as the offensive coordinator, left Mike rabel staff

446
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Speaker 5: to go to Green Bay, I had people telling me

447
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Speaker 5: this is a huge mistake the Packers have made. This

448
00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,240
Speaker 5: guy cannot command the room.

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Speaker 6: Well.

450
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Speaker 5: He inherited Aaron Rodgers and he's done nothing but win

451
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Speaker 5: since he's been in Green Bay. So, like I said,

452
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Speaker 5: I think that's a hard, hard thing to judge.

453
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Speaker 10: I think the way you and I don't know about Kellen,

454
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Speaker 10: but the way you go about it is and you

455
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Speaker 10: can't talk to that because he's buys, but you got

456
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Speaker 10: to talk to everybody else who's been in those offensive meetings.

457
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Speaker 10: And it's not just how he drew it up and

458
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Speaker 10: how he installed it, but when you messed up for

459
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Speaker 10: the third time, did he say, hey, guys, try to

460
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Speaker 10: be better, or did he know jump you the way

461
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Speaker 10: a coach typically jumps a player when they've made the

462
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Speaker 10: same mistake multiple times.

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Speaker 3: Let's be honest.

464
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Speaker 2: Now we've been dishonest so far.

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Speaker 8: And I know you that if you're a cowboy faners

466
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Speaker 8: Kellen more excite you. No, if he wins, I'm talking

467
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Speaker 8: about going it.

468
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Speaker 5: Jerry sell it to the fan base now, not like

469
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Speaker 5: Pete Carroll or Dion or who else? Who else would

470
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Speaker 5: be a prominent John Belichick, Belichick and Vrabel. Yeah, those

471
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Speaker 5: would have been my first two picks, Belichick and Rabel.

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Speaker 5: If you'd done it last year, he could have probably

473
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Speaker 5: had either one of them.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, you know we've covered Kelly Moore. I don't know

475
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Speaker 8: if he could command the room. He certainly doesn't command

476
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Speaker 8: the press conference. He doesn't win the press commerce at all.

477
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Speaker 8: He's kind of mealy mouthed.

478
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Speaker 3: He doesn't.

479
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Speaker 8: You don't really talk with any conviction. I mean, Shoddy

480
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Speaker 8: is better in the press conference, if you want to ask.

481
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Speaker 8: And I don't know how much that means.

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Speaker 5: Nobody's better than bones.

483
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Speaker 3: No doubt. But yeah, but I'm just saying though that.

484
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Speaker 8: But so I wonder, uh what it would look like

485
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Speaker 8: him being the leader of the team. Uh his Yes,

486
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Speaker 8: he had success with dak under Jason's system. I know

487
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Speaker 8: when he went to with the Chargers had like the

488
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Speaker 8: twenty first ranked offense with a quarterback who's supposed.

489
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Speaker 5: To be, you know, one of the most talents and.

490
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Speaker 8: In Philadelphia have like the twenty ninth ranked offense and

491
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Speaker 8: he has two of the best receiver tandem leading of

492
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Speaker 8: the twenty ninth ranked office pass.

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Speaker 2: Because they got a two thousand yard Russia.

494
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Speaker 5: So isn't that smart? Like, doesn't that show that he's

495
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Speaker 5: able to just what he does to fit the personnell

496
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Speaker 5: he has. Like here he's throwing the ball and Dak's

497
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Speaker 5: got his career high thirty seven touchdown passes. I've got

498
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Speaker 5: Saquon Barkley's rushes for two thousand yards. Like that's what

499
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Speaker 5: I want.

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Speaker 3: I agree.

501
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Speaker 8: I think you will find it out a lot about

502
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Speaker 8: the Kellen Moore candidacy, whether they get out put out

503
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Speaker 8: this weekend.

504
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Speaker 4: All right, so let's now move to Robert sala former

505
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Speaker 4: Jets head coach, was the forty nine Ers defensive coordinator

506
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Speaker 4: when they ended up losing Super Bowl to Kansas City.

507
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Speaker 4: Also was an assistant for Pete Carroll when they won

508
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Speaker 4: Super Bowl forty eight in Seattle.

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Speaker 6: All right, most trusted Robert Salad, your thoughts.

510
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Speaker 8: Robert Sider, legitimate candidate in my book, You know, I

511
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Speaker 8: think he got a raw deal with the Jets. Certainly

512
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Speaker 8: was very respected coming out of San Francisco when he got.

513
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Speaker 3: The Jets head coaching job. He's a guy who is

514
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Speaker 3: part of the circuit.

515
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Speaker 8: You know, he's interviewing with the Raiders, that he's interviewed

516
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Speaker 8: with the Jaguars, with the you know, and going to

517
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Speaker 8: interview with the Cowboys, and so keeping that team together.

518
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,159
Speaker 8: Are dealing with Woody Johnson, dealing with Aaron Rodgers. I

519
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 8: think he has the temperament to handle the Cowboys situation.

520
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Speaker 3: The question is who would be his offense coordinator?

521
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Speaker 2: Who does he didn't win.

522
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Speaker 5: First of all, he hadn't been in the play He

523
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 5: hasn't made the playoffs ever as a head coach. No,

524
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Speaker 5: the defense was I'm not saying it's his fault, No,

525
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Speaker 5: that's not. But yeah, I think the question is does

526
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Speaker 5: he run the defense?

527
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Speaker 15: Yeah?

528
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Speaker 5: I think he'd be great running the defense, and maybe

529
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Speaker 5: he's your defensive coordinator if he's not your next head coach.

530
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Speaker 4: Let me ask this question, because when someone was talking

531
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Speaker 4: to me about it, I said, because they're basically why him?

532
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Speaker 4: And I said, what if he's another Todd Bowles? People said, oh,

533
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Speaker 4: he was with the Jets topple. Oh, clearly we saw

534
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 4: Todd Bowles could coach. It's hard to coach the Jets

535
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Speaker 4: in that organization, no.

536
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Speaker 3: Doubt, I think. I think that's part of the conversation.

537
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Speaker 8: And their defense was top five in the league when

538
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Speaker 8: he was coaching there, and so you know he can

539
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Speaker 8: run the defense. Again, it depends on who's going to

540
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Speaker 8: get his your offense coordinate if he's your head coach.

541
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Speaker 3: But again, as Ed.

542
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Speaker 8: Pointed out, and you know with the cow Boys, you

543
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 8: just you just don't know what the motives are. And

544
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 8: that's because they Yes, yes, I mean it's interesting that

545
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Speaker 8: an organization who's had just two minority coordinators in their

546
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Speaker 8: history Maurice Carthon and Brian Stewart in their history, never

547
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Speaker 8: had a black head coach, especially enlightened with the sham

548
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Speaker 8: job that the Patriots did with their bringing in Pep

549
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Speaker 8: Hamilton and Brian Lefferts before they hired their guy that

550
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Speaker 8: they wanted to hire. The first two names that comes

551
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Speaker 8: out of legitimate interviews before the Keller More today was

552
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Speaker 8: Robert and Leslie Fraser. And as I said, Robert sala

553
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Speaker 8: is a legitimate candidate. Where's Leslie and Fraser coming from

554
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Speaker 8: and listen knowing Leslie long time defense coordinator, head coach

555
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 8: of the Vacous of ten to twenty thirteen, most recently

556
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Speaker 8: the defensive coordinator of Buffalo from twenty seventeen to twenty

557
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,439
Speaker 8: twenty two before was let go, did not coach in

558
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Speaker 8: twenty twenty three. Is the currently the assistant head coach

559
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Speaker 8: in Seattle because they got a young coach and they

560
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Speaker 8: wanted him up there. But nobody has put Leslie Fraser

561
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Speaker 8: in any conversation.

562
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Speaker 5: You can get a single interview last year the yeah.

563
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Speaker 8: And so where is he coming from? Are we really

564
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Speaker 8: is this about the Rooney rule?

565
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Speaker 5: Well, it's it could be about that, or it could

566
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Speaker 5: be we want to talk to you about our head

567
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Speaker 5: coaching job. And when you get here, what we really

568
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 5: want to talk to you about is being our defensive coordinator.

569
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Speaker 5: If we hire so and so.

570
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Speaker 3: Well again and to me, that's dirty pool.

571
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Speaker 8: I mean, you don't bring me in to be my

572
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Speaker 8: defense court, don't hire, don't interview for my head coaching

573
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Speaker 8: job to be my defense coordinator.

574
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Speaker 3: I mean, that's not the spirit of the rule.

575
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Speaker 6: Don't want to be slick.

576
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Speaker 8: Yeah, that's not the spirit the same thing with Roberts.

577
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Speaker 8: That's that's not the spirit, that's not what it's for.

578
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Speaker 2: Class.

579
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Speaker 5: We're bringing you in to interview you for the general

580
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Speaker 5: sports columnist job. And while you're here, if we don't

581
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:54,959
Speaker 5: hire you for that, how would you feel about being

582
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 5: the Cowboys beat writer.

583
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:57,679
Speaker 3: Again?

584
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,199
Speaker 5: How much the opinion better than nothing right? Better than

585
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:01,640
Speaker 5: no offer?

586
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 8: It is better no offer. But we're talking about the

587
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,199
Speaker 8: spirit of the rule and what we're trying to do.

588
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 8: That That's that's what I'm dealing with.

589
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 3: Hey, now I understand people will take those jobs.

590
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 8: My other problem is this, and this is why the

591
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 8: process is messing for me. And we can get into

592
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 8: the Jason Witten stuff.

593
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 5: He can say he's seriously is considering Dion for the job.

594
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 3: Right.

595
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 8: This is this is my problem with the mess because

596
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 8: which has been a thirty year problem because Jerry is

597
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 8: trying to control things. Okay, if I'm hiring somebody head coach,

598
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,719
Speaker 8: I want them to pick their coordinator. I want them

599
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 8: to pick their titiess coach. Don't pick nobody from my

600
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 8: staff before I get here. Okay, don't interview people from

601
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,439
Speaker 8: my staff before I decide who I want on my staff.

602
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 8: Because at most head coaching candidates, including Kellen more than

603
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,199
Speaker 8: anybody else, they already got ideas who they want on

604
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Speaker 8: their staff.

605
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Speaker 3: Every offensive head coach has an idea.

606
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Speaker 8: Who if I get this job, who my defense courting

607
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 8: is gonna be, Who my titians coach gonna be? Who

608
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 8: my office court, my office line coach is gonna be

609
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 8: every defense coach. I understand that that's my problem with

610
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 8: the process. But you know, when I'm talking about the process,

611
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 8: the rotten process way back wins, That's what I'm talking about.

612
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 5: Well, they're talking about two different things. Ones on an

613
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 5: NFL level, the other ones are more local issue. We're

614
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 5: talking about the Cowboys. Well, but the rule is league wise.

615
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 8: Listen, listen, listen, the fruit of the same poisonous tree.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I mean it's two things.

617
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 10: But Clarence is right, like way back when when I

618
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 10: was covering to beat, used to ask up and coming

619
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Speaker 10: assistance if you ever got a job, who'd be your guy?

620
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Speaker 2: That way, when they get a job, you already got

621
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Speaker 2: an edge on it.

622
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 10: But but you know the other thing is if you

623
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 10: take a bigger look at the Rooney rule and take

624
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 10: a bigger look, I can't remember which one is macro

625
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 10: not micro. But and say, how do really most jobs,

626
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 10: how do people get hired? They get high because ed,

627
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 10: I'm looking for something. Do you know anybody clans, I'm

628
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 10: looking for somebody. Do you know anybody you go? Oh, yeah,

629
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Speaker 10: I know Newly and I know Jacques one personal recommendation

630
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 10: one is fine. So some of this Rooney rule stuff

631
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 10: is just you know, yeah, you going in just so

632
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 10: you can do to Mike Tomlin, I interviewed, Well, you

633
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 10: didn't need me, Oh you need a coach. Oh, I

634
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 10: just introduce to view this young guy blew me away.

635
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Speaker 2: I can't. I didn't have room for him for whatever reason.

636
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 2: Boom and so.

637
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 10: It's not the preferred method, but it's better than you

638
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 10: never get in front of him to talk it all.

639
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 3: Now, that's the spirit of the rule.

640
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Speaker 8: And I'm glad we brought because Mike Tallan seemed like

641
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 8: he's an outlier.

642
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 3: You know, only if Mike Thomin got hired.

643
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Speaker 6: That way by the very people who the rule is saying.

644
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 3: Right, But but yes, that's the spirit of the rule.

645
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 8: But what I'm saying is that's that what the patriots

646
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 8: did is not about getting in the room.

647
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Speaker 3: And hey, I know this guy.

648
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 8: It's about let's just cursory interview this guy so I

649
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 8: can hire my guy.

650
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Speaker 6: Check hey, check.

651
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 8: And my point is it's interesting that the first two

652
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 8: names that came out, maybe because incidentally or not.

653
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Speaker 2: You think they knew Salah was a Rooney rule, KENNI.

654
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Speaker 8: Yes see, they know elevenies. Everybody knows that. Yes, everybody

655
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 8: knows that he ain't white.

656
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 5: The Patriots might have been able to make hurt round

657
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Speaker 5: a third round pick. The Patriots might have made it

658
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 5: may look better if they weren't feeling like if they

659
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 5: were gonna get verable, they had to act fast, right.

660
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 5: They were afraid he was gonna go somewhere else, right.

661
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Speaker 3: And they acted. And the dirty thing about it, this

662
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Speaker 3: is the tweet. It was a tweet.

663
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Speaker 5: It was a tweet that they interviewed these two.

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Speaker 2: They tweeted on the same They put him in the

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Speaker 4: We've discussed Robert Solo, discussed us A Fraser, We've discussed

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Speaker 6: So I ask each panelist, if Jerry Jones called you up.

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Speaker 4: To his office upstairs here at the Star, who would

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Speaker 4: you say, Jerry, you should hire Jack Taylor.

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Speaker 10: I'd say, hey, man, go get Ben Johnson there, very simple,

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Speaker 10: offensive guy, his first time coach. I know you don't

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Speaker 10: that he throws the hooking ladder more than once. I

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Speaker 2: And you know, let's take a walk on a while

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Speaker 2: side and have some fun.

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Speaker 6: Edward or Hall of Fame in which you got I.

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Speaker 2: Could have said, Dian.

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Speaker 10: The line of my pocket I would is, I'm trying

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Speaker 10: to be a team player for Jerry.

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Speaker 5: I'm interested in Pete Carroll, but I too would probably

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Speaker 5: hire Ben Johnson because if you no quarterback in the

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Speaker 5: NFL succeeded from under center play action passing than Jared

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Speaker 5: Goff did this year. And that's the way I think

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Speaker 5: Dak Prescott has to be used in his age thirty

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Speaker 5: two and beyond season. And I think that's what this

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Speaker 5: hire is all about. This hires all about that you're

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Speaker 5: the last one who has a shot to get Dak

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Speaker 5: Prescott to a super Bowl. In all likelihood, he's going

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Speaker 5: to be thirty two and coming off of two leg

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Speaker 5: injuries in the last five years. Who do you want

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Speaker 5: in that position to create the right offense, to call

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Speaker 5: the right plays. And I know Ben Johnson doesn't have

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Speaker 5: any history of running an entire team, but he's been

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Speaker 5: influenced by Dan Campbell. Look with he was a heart

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Speaker 5: of something huge. Nobody thought the Lions could be what

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Speaker 5: they are now. They're twenty seven and seven the last

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Speaker 5: two years. That's the best record in the NFL. So

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Speaker 5: for all of those reasons, I would hire Ben Johnson,

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Speaker 5: but primarily because he coaches the kind of offense Dak

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Speaker 5: will thrive him.

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Speaker 2: Now Chill is gonna say you're gonna bring out that

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Speaker 2: telling with him.

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Speaker 5: Yes, No, that's on the people here to get him

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Speaker 5: to talent.

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Speaker 8: Or that they're good. There goes the problem I would hire.

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Speaker 8: I would say Eron Glenn. You know, I want a leader,

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Speaker 8: you know. And there's a guy who trained under Bill Parcells,

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Speaker 8: you know, and it's familiar with the.

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Speaker 3: Cowboys, familiar with the process.

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Speaker 8: But just listening to him talk, he's a leader, you know,

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Speaker 8: and I think he can hire the right people. He

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Speaker 8: has the right temperament to coach today's athlete. That's why

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Speaker 8: I got a problem that we're all have with all

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Speaker 8: of our choices, is the rotten process the Cowboys.

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Speaker 3: Had dealt with because they can't talk to.

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Speaker 8: Them to particilarly after the Super Bowl, not Ben Johnson,

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Speaker 8: not Aaron Glenn, because they waited a week because they

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Speaker 8: were by You can only get in start the process

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Speaker 8: with those guys last.

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Speaker 3: Week when they want to buy.

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Speaker 8: Now they cannot interview them until after potentially the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 4: All right, I'm gonna go with a leader of men,

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Speaker 4: somebody who's been in the building. Richard Pisacia. I am

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Speaker 4: a person who believes that being able to get in

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Speaker 4: front of the room like special teams coaches do. I

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Speaker 4: think that matters.

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Speaker 6: I thought Richard did a heck of a job.

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Speaker 4: After that whole Grouten tobaccle happened with the Raiders, he

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Speaker 4: kept that ship afloat. They made the playoffs. They had

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Speaker 4: a heck of a game against Cincinnati, which they lost.

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Speaker 4: That Cincinnati team ended up going to the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 4: And I look at special teams coaches from the past.

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Speaker 4: Dick for Meal, NFL's first ever special teams coach, won

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Speaker 4: a Super Bowl. Bill Belichick's first job in the league's

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Speaker 4: special teams coach, Bill won six Super Bowls. Bill Kauer,

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Speaker 4: former special teams coach, won a Super Bowl. And we

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Speaker 4: look at what John Harbaugh's doing out there with the

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Speaker 4: Baltimore Ravens.

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Speaker 6: Is it sexy?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 5: Is it effective?

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Speaker 6: Is it effective?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 4: I mean Rich Damn Near fought Greg Hardy on the

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Speaker 4: sidelines up in New Jersey during the game.

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Speaker 5: He was the only one who took issue with that,

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Speaker 5: his behavior in public.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, so to me, it's not a sexy high.

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Speaker 4: It's not a brand name, but I want some substance.

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Speaker 5: But he hasn't even gotten interviewed anywhere, right.

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Speaker 4: And that therein lies the problem. There in lies the

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Speaker 4: problem where if you are you need to dig deeper.

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Speaker 4: You need to look and say what rock are we

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Speaker 4: not looking under? I do believe that along the way,

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Speaker 4: how come we're seeing these special teams guys who touch

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Speaker 4: every part of your football team, who have to get

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Speaker 4: up for the football team, and they hardly ever interview them.

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Speaker 6: I don't get it.

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Speaker 4: But Rich has done the job, and I thought he

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Speaker 4: did a real good job the Raiders, and they've been

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Speaker 4: searching for somebody to lead that franchise since then.

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Speaker 5: And he transformed Green Bay special teams in one year.

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Speaker 4: Everywhere he goes, he wins. Everywhere he goes. He's been

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Speaker 4: a part of the winning team. So that's why I

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Speaker 4: know you roll your eyes.

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Speaker 3: That's a client.

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Speaker 6: Oh no, he's not.

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Speaker 5: The problem with hiring a special teams guy like that,

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Speaker 5: or the problem with hiring a defensive oriented coaches. If

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Speaker 5: you wind up with a good offensive coach and a

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Speaker 5: good offensive player and he's not your head coach, you're

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Speaker 5: gonna lose him.

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Speaker 4: And look, you know, I am second behind you with

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Speaker 4: Aaron Glynn. On's to get a leader of men. The

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Speaker 4: only thing with Rich is Rich has done it. Aaron

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Speaker 4: has not done it. But I do believe that both

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Speaker 4: guys because I'm not here, no offense. I ain't here

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Speaker 4: for the joystick. Guys, Jimmy ain't call no plays. You know,

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Speaker 4: you can't have Dan Campbell's not calling any plays. Can

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Speaker 4: you get up there and lead the room? That's what

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Speaker 4: you need.

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Speaker 6: And you're dealing with Jerry, somebody that can deal with

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Speaker 6: all that time.

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Speaker 5: Well, you talked about selling it to the fan base.

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Speaker 5: How are you going to sell that?

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Speaker 6: You know what?

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Speaker 3: When?

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Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 3: I mean well when?

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Speaker 4: But you know, hey, man, he said he wanted three

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Speaker 4: sixty five days soap opera.

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Speaker 6: So get up there, Jerry, do what you do.

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Speaker 8: And my thing is, you know, I was talking to

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Speaker 8: a player last week and we get caught up into

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Speaker 8: familiarity and all for me, why can't the boys be

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Speaker 8: like the Rams and go outside the box?

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Speaker 3: I mean, who knew of McVeigh.

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Speaker 5: Thirty years old?

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Speaker 3: You know, kay? What's wrong with out of? You know,

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Speaker 3: outside the box?

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Speaker 10: Higher North was outside the box, higher wide receiver coach,

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Speaker 10: not to coordinated, you know right right?

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Speaker 8: You can't find somebody like that. I mean, we can

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Speaker 8: get so caught up into.

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Speaker 5: Familiar doesn't that one more fit that profile? No, no

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Speaker 5: young offensive.

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Speaker 8: Because because it's like said the only reason he's connected

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Speaker 8: here so strongly is because he was here.

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Speaker 5: Well, because he performed well here is the quarterback performed

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Speaker 5: well here. We just talked about, right, talked about what

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Speaker 8: I'm just saying, byside, I don't think that's outside the box.

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Speaker 8: That's not what I'm saying. That there's something that that

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Speaker 8: we we don't have a.

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Speaker 5: Right How about Josh McCown. He was talked about three

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Speaker 5: years ago being the Texans head coach, that they were

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Speaker 5: kind of floating that out there.

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Speaker 3: Is he coaching anywhere?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's with Minnesota.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 4: I can't let us leave the show without getting the

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Speaker 4: thoughts about Jason whitting His name has been roomored out

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Speaker 4: there as well.

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Speaker 6: That is Jason.

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Speaker 8: But again, that's my problem when I talked about the

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Speaker 8: fact that you're already and Jason wouldn't will most likely

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Speaker 8: one day be a fine coach, and I think he's

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Speaker 8: doing a good job in college.

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Speaker 3: But the fact that Jerry's.

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Speaker 8: Miss high school high school, Yeah, high school, I'm sorry

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Speaker 8: that I'm sorry. Uh, the fact that Jerry's interjecting him

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Speaker 8: into conversations whether he was going to be the coaching

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Speaker 8: waiting with the parcels.

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Speaker 10: Nobody won't win on the coach on the staff if

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Speaker 10: you're a coach, because all you can do is view

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Speaker 10: him the way people view Jason Garrett with Waye Phillips, like,

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Speaker 10: either you're telling on me. You're usually waiting for me

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Speaker 10: to fail so you can get my job.

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Speaker 5: I like when he goes to Monday Night Football, he'll

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Speaker 5: be similarly overmatched as a going from high school, took

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Speaker 5: it to the NFL as a head coach of this franchise, right,

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Speaker 5: And I love Jason Whitten, and I have no doubt

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Speaker 5: Jerry is going to try and put him on whoever

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Speaker 5: the next coach here, He's gonna try and put him

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Speaker 5: on that person's staff, And in some places it will

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Speaker 5: probably fit, and others, like with Mike McCarthy when he

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Speaker 5: tried to do it with Mike five years ago, Mike

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Speaker 5: saw what happened with Jason Garrett and Wade Phillips. He's

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Speaker 5: he's too smart to repeat that. Would Pete Carroll accept

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Speaker 5: him and not be threatened? Maybe with Kellen Moore, Absolutely.

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Speaker 10: Not with Dion I don't think so okay, all right, fellas,

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Speaker 10: this was fun.

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Speaker 6: It won't Hey man, good luck, goodluck to your buck eyes.

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Speaker 6: Luck to your buck eyes.

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Speaker 10: Uh, you know, I handled myself with grason dignity for

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Speaker 10: most of the game, and to.

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Speaker 6: Get pet you got time for pitty.

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Speaker 2: I was petty after the game.

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Speaker 10: I would say I behaved myself except for when Henderson

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Speaker 10: went seventy five years on the screen and when Sawyer

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Speaker 10: returned his return the fumble.

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Speaker 3: Outside of that, I'm telling him where you were. I'll

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Speaker 3: tell him where you were.

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Speaker 2: I was in a switep full of Texas pictures.

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Speaker 6: You got the video too, I got a picture. Hey,

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Speaker 6: good luck to you, Good luck to you. I'll be

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Speaker 6: rooting for not to name all.

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Speaker 2: Right, that's on point some point dirty though. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: appreciate you. O.

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Speaker 5: Hey, let's do this again next week.

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Speaker 6: If we're not fired next Wednesday, uh claims, will let

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Speaker 6: us know goodbye.

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