1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: From the twenty twenty three NFL Combine. This is Patriots Unfiltered. 2 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 1: All right, guys, it's Duson Lazar back at the combine. 3 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: Pe you with the combines. Who knows, maybe we'll get 4 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: our own past the deuce and Lazar. We're back, guys. 5 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: We're here at the scouting combine. We just wrapped up 6 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 1: a day with the defensive backs and the special team. 7 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: So this is going to be our long form podcast 8 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: to kind of hash out um, you know, just a 9 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: little bit more detail. We shot a video already, you guys, 10 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: can you want to get the quick hits, you go 11 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 1: to that um, but this is going to be a 12 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 1: little bit more of a longer form discussion and be 13 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: sure to stay tuned. At the end, we had an 14 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: interview with Mike Rhodak, who had time with the Patriots 15 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 1: in the early twenty tens and now has been down 16 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: at Alabama. So some great insight from Mike about Bill O'Brien, 17 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: about Mac Jones, about how you know, the offense might 18 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: come together with those two guys, as well as a 19 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: lot of the Alabama prospects, um, some of whom we 20 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: got to see today. So we can teach some of 21 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: that up. We may or may not have covered all 22 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: thirteen prospects with Mike Better here from Alabama. I was 23 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: Pepper and him, we walked. It was it was great, 24 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: And I mean, Mikes knows his stuff, and certainly it's 25 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: it's cool to talk to somebody from the college ranks 26 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 1: who just knows it inside and out. So he when 27 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 1: you were bringing up certain plays and stuff, he knew 28 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 1: exactly what you were talking about. But off the top, 29 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: let's you know, let's talk about special teams. That was 30 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: the first thing we saw. And of course Jake Moody, 31 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: kicker from Michigan, was MVP of the Shrine Bowl Game. 32 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: Got to hear from him today and it's a lot 33 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: of people. You look at the mock drafts, anybody with 34 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 1: the mock draft, they probably have Jake Moody, maybe in 35 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: that last pick. I don't know if he's gonna last 36 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 1: that long, but as far as today, he seems like 37 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: he's going to be an NFL kicker. Some of the 38 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: buzz that we're hearing here in India about Jake Moody 39 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: is that the Patriots might need to pounce earlier than 40 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: maybe some people would want them to pounce. I think 41 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: we're all on board with Jake Moody as the Patriots 42 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: kicker in the future. And no disrespect to Nick Folk, 43 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: who's been money for them, but he's getting up there 44 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: in age. It's going to be thirty eight, thirty nine 45 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: years old next season. I think it's time to start 46 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:00,040 Speaker 1: to look for the next generation at that position, and 47 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: just like any other position, Jake Moody, though, I think 48 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: the fifth round is his floor. I don't think he's 49 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,079 Speaker 1: getting out of the fifth round. And that's going to 50 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: be an interesting approach for the Patriots. They have three 51 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 1: projected fourth round picks. They potentially could have four sixth 52 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: round picks, so they have a bunch of picks, but 53 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: they don't actually have a pick in the fifth round, 54 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: so they could potentially move up. I suppose with the 55 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: sixthler moved back with a fourth there try to find 56 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: that sweet spot for Jake Moody. But I think he's 57 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 1: going to be a fourth or fifth round guy. So 58 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 1: we talked to Michael Turk as well. We were kind 59 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: of we were you know, we just got a shout 60 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: out to us real quick because a lot of people 61 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:35,239 Speaker 1: they didn't show up this morning at eat thirty for 62 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: the special team. They did not. I didn't see a 63 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 1: lot of the Boston beat was wasn't here for that one. 64 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: They were until the nine thirty when the dvs came out, 65 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 1: But Evan and I were here along with the hardcore people. 66 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: So Michael Turk, punter from Oklahoma, talked to him a 67 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 1: little bit, another Shrine Bowl guy, as well as Adam 68 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: Corsick from Hey, he went to Rutgers. So but I 69 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: didn't even really all of a sudden you walk up 70 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: and hear the Australian accent, you realize, Hey, this guy's 71 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: a little bit different. A lot of cool stuff kind 72 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: of coming out of that though, left us, you know, 73 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: chatting a little bit about Australian style punting and all 74 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: the different things that he can do. So Turk is 75 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: garnering some late buzz here in terms of rising up 76 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: the board, Yes, rising up the board for a punter 77 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: I know from the Shrine Bowl. Had a great week 78 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: out there, looks a lot like a guy that potentially 79 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: could get drafted. But Corsic from Rutgers is the consensus 80 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 1: top punter in this draft. This draft at punter is 81 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 1: not like the draft that we had last year, you 82 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: know where we had guys like Jordan's stout right, this 83 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 1: is not as good of that of draft there, but 84 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: they do have some good draft punter eligible guys that 85 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: will be later in the draft. This is where maybe 86 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: the Patriots could send a seventh round pick out there 87 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: and just get him before he hits priority free agency, 88 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: where they don't have to compete with him as a 89 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: u UDFA with a bunch of other teams. I thought 90 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: what was really interesting about Corsic is that he feels 91 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: like he can use all the different clubs in his 92 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: bag to almost change up the returners. Right. One time 93 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: it's an Ausi punt. One time it's a traditional punt, 94 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: one time it's a boomer. One time it's like a 95 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: coffin corner, right, And you can sort of do all 96 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: these different tricks of the trade that might be appealing 97 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: like that that might be a little bit different. So 98 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 1: we'll see, all right, guys, don't worry now we're off 99 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 1: the special team's talk. So for we only went two 100 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: minutes on special teams, but two minutes we'll go an hour, 101 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: so don't worry about it. So if you want even 102 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: more explanation of that, go to catch twenty two, which 103 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: will be going live here today at two o'clock, so 104 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 1: you can catch that on demand as well by the 105 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 1: point that this gets posted. So let's move on to 106 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: the defensive backs and the guys that I was most 107 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:38,559 Speaker 1: excited to see it was just Brian Branch, because look, 108 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: he has a great film. I mean, this is a 109 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: tackling machine. He anticipates, he sees it, he goes, and 110 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: he takes guys down, and it's just a lot of 111 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: fun to watch. And I think for good reason, a 112 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: lot of people, you know, even though it's not a 113 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 1: huge need, sometimes connect into the Patriots. Mike Rodak had 114 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 1: plenty to say about Branch. He seems like he's going 115 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: to go in that kind of mid first round range. 116 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 1: Not a big need, but certainly seems like a guy 117 00:04:57,839 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: who's a Patriots fit. Yeah, we had a great conversation 118 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: with Mike about Branch. I won't go too long on 119 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 1: him here, but I think the main thing that you 120 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:06,479 Speaker 1: see with him is that he's working out with the 121 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 1: corners this week instead of the safeties. And I asked 122 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 1: him what went into that decision, and he just said 123 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: that the combine came to him, said where do you want, 124 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: who do you want to work out with? Because he 125 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: is more of a slot star type of corner and 126 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:24,359 Speaker 1: that slot defender role and he said corners. Now to me, 127 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 1: if the Patriots draft him, I think that he's a 128 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 1: perfect candidate to move to the back end, just like 129 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: Devin mccordy did coming out of college at at Rutgers. 130 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: He has the cover skills to maybe do that a 131 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: little bit. But I think the clicking clothes, the instincts, 132 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: the range at free safety would fit in extremely well 133 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: for the Patriots in the back end of this defense. 134 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: So I could see that being the case where they 135 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 1: draft him. Maybe he plays early on in that sort 136 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: of star or slot defender role just because that's what 137 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 1: he's most comfortable with, but eventually he transitions to free safety. Now, now, 138 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 1: two other guys that I that I underline, two guys 139 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: that I was interested to see. You're Brown and Sydney Brown. 140 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: The two Browns, just two guys that listening to them 141 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: talk and based on their versatility and the type of players, 142 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: they are again strong safety types and don't you know, 143 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's exactly a need. How much 144 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: free safety can they play? But those two guys. To me, 145 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 1: just listening to them, I'm like, I could see these 146 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 1: guys in that locker room in New England. Jayre Brown's 147 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: an interesting player because he plays on fire. He's somebody 148 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: that flies around the field, excellent motor. That that type 149 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: of player that I think that they love, those types 150 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: of guys that just love ball, love ball and want 151 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: to be out there and want to play. I can 152 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 1: see that. But we talked about this in the short form. 153 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 1: I asked him, what do you want to do out there? 154 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: Like if the play call comes in the huddle and 155 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 1: he says he wants to blitz, And I was like, no, no, 156 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:48,919 Speaker 1: wrong answer, No, just kidding, but no, in all seriousness, 157 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 1: a downhill player, right. And that's where I think that 158 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: maybe there's not a U as much of a fit 159 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: for the Patriots with their needs currently. I think Antonio Johnson, 160 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 1: who might be the second safety off the board behind 161 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: Brian Branch and I don't know if you want to 162 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: call brand to safety or a corner, but whatever. He's 163 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:07,679 Speaker 1: one of those guys too that NFL dot Com compares 164 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: to Kyle Dugger. So do you want two Kyle Duggers 165 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: or do you want something a little bit different. I 166 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: think a lot of the guys like that in this 167 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: draft are you know, like Jaire Brown for example, are 168 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: in that mold which is a little bit worrisome, I 169 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: would say, I mean Jerry Brown. It seemed like Kyle Dugger, 170 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: like just his deep voice, just to the way he 171 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: like the intensity in his isaac. I'm like, this is 172 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: Kyle Dugger. But again, it's like you fall in love 173 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: with these strong safety types, like how many? How many 174 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: do we really need? There are other needs, of course. 175 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: I just I wanted to bring up Trey Dean too, 176 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: a guy that you know you you had in your 177 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: first mock guy who played at the Shrine Bowl again, 178 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: heard him today talking a little bit about how cool 179 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: it was, you know, to play there and get some 180 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: coaching from the Patriots. So you know there are some 181 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: later kind of round options. Chris Smith was another one 182 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: you brought up from Georgia. Um, it's just it's it's 183 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: hard because you like these guys, they play tough there. Wow, 184 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: you could bring an element to the team, but you 185 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: just see other needs probably bigger. Yeah, Chris Smith is 186 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: probably the one true free safety that I think is 187 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: going to get drafted in the top one hundred potentially, 188 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: and he's someone that's a little bit smaller than the 189 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: rest of this group, doesn't have that type of physicality 190 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: or be able to play in the box type of 191 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: skill set, but maybe that's what they need. And I 192 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: think the one thing I've always looked at with the 193 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: Georgia defense is that is an NFL defense right in 194 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: terms of scheme and play calls and design. Kirby some 195 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: arts out there. He's running a match, he's running ripples, 196 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: he's running eyes, he's running zeros like he's running the 197 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: whole book. So that's I think something that I've always 198 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 1: thought was interesting that they haven't necessarily dipped into that 199 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: Georgia pipeline yet because Kirby obviously comes from Saban, who 200 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: comes from Bill so there is a big connection there. 201 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: So I wonder, at what point in time do we 202 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: finally see a Georgia defender make their way to New 203 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 1: England quay Walker and a Kobe Dean like Davante Ohi 204 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 1: last year, like, there's so many names that we just 205 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: kept on throwing out there and it just seems to 206 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: not ever happen. The funny thing for me last year 207 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: real quick was when I first watched Trayvon Walker. And 208 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: we all know my draft process. I know nothing until 209 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:03,079 Speaker 1: I watch, and at that time, I think early in 210 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: the draft process, he was, you know, a mid first 211 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: round maybe second round guy was and I watched him 212 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:09,439 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, I'm like, can 213 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: we like? This is what I want? Right? Of course 214 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 1: it goes first overall, and you know, hey, I guess, 215 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: I know, I know what I'm talking about. What do 216 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: you know? I guess? So let's move on now because 217 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: the cornerbacks and that's really the what we took from today. Um, 218 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: it's just to dine in my class. And you know, 219 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 1: I think first, I just want to preface this with 220 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: a little bit of a since we're on't our long 221 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: form pod, you've heard Evan probably mentioned rip Liz, which is, 222 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: you know, kind of the new thing that was developed 223 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: by Bill Belichick Nick Saban. It's you know, match coverage 224 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: and and and I've been really trying this offseason to 225 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: dive into it a little bit, just to get a 226 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: little bit of what why teams are going this. And 227 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: I almost equated to you know, Josh McDaniels, and in 228 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: that offense was a little bit famous for, you know, 229 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: having route adjustments. So you know, what is the defense 230 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: going to do, We're going to adjust to them. Um, 231 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: this is almost a counter to that where the defense said, look, 232 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,079 Speaker 1: it's going to become man at some point it starts 233 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: out his zone. But once you declare your routes, we're 234 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: going to disperse and we're gonna cover whatever you can. 235 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: So my point being, I know we've been talking a 236 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: lot this offseason and just generally about how the Patriots 237 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: love man coverage. They play a lot of man coverage. 238 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: I don't know what those numbers mean exactly, because another 239 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:11,559 Speaker 1: conversation we add, how much is it is pure man? 240 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: How much are these people who are watching the game 241 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: tape looking at it and saying that looks like man 242 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: to me, Well, yeah, you know, three seconds into this 243 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: now it is man. It becomes man. But you know 244 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:23,199 Speaker 1: it's it's actually match coverage. So my question really to 245 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: to kind of start off this cornerback thing is what 246 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: are we looking for a cornerback? Are we still looking 247 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,079 Speaker 1: for a true press man coverage or are we looking 248 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:33,959 Speaker 1: for a smart tackling guy who's going to understand how 249 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: the routes dispersed and where he has to go and 250 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: process that quick. You've mentioned a couple of times here 251 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 1: and all the content we've been spitting out right now 252 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: of guys from these that we've been listening to saying 253 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: they have experienced in ripples and match coverage. So just 254 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: to kind of set it up, I think that's that's 255 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: kind of where I'm at philosophically. Which one of these 256 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 1: guys do we get on at? What traits are we 257 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 1: looking for? Are we still looking for that press man 258 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: coverage or is this something different? Now? Well, first of all, 259 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: we're gonna have to get a whiteboard out and do 260 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 1: some ripples at some point, because this is it's awesome 261 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: and really where it comes from. Not to go too deep, 262 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: because this is I actually asked Belichick about this a 263 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 1: couple of years ago and he said, well, I mean, 264 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: we could write a book about this, but he so 265 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: he gave a short form answer of it though, and 266 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:17,319 Speaker 1: basically what happened was is when the Browns would play 267 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 1: the Steelers in the nineties, the steel the Browns were 268 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: predominantly a Cover three defense. Believe it or not, Bill 269 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: Belichick under Bill Parcels was a Cover three zone defensive coach. 270 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: He wasn't a man coach yet, and they got to 271 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: Cleveland and Pittsburgh would run four verts and just flood 272 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 1: the deep part of the field against Cover three, and 273 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: they had no answer for it. They would just really 274 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: struggle in that. So Saban and Belichick got together. Saban 275 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: had a little bit more man coverage experience than coach Belichick, 276 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: and they got their two minds together and they created 277 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: Rip Lizz, which is a match Cover three zone. So 278 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: Saban has ripples, he has Cover seven which is a 279 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 1: split safety version of ripples as well, and you can 280 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: bracket receivers and we won't get all into that right now, 281 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: but basically, as the point that you're making is that 282 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: you see a lot of that now in New England, 283 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: and you see that I would say a lot of 284 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: that around the NFL. I think a team that's really 285 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: adopted a lot of those types of rules as well 286 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: as Cincinnati Bengals, and they don't necessarily have a dominant 287 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: corner in their secondary. But you know, lou Amon Rimo 288 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,599 Speaker 1: is great at disguising and doing a lot of the 289 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: same things the Patriots do. So the couple guys though 290 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 1: to kind of continue on this point that I think 291 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,079 Speaker 1: really fit that. I don't know if he's going to 292 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: be on the board at fourteen, but Christian Gonzalez from 293 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: Oregon is a perfect matchup with that. Like he can 294 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:42,559 Speaker 1: play press man and he can play match zone. There's 295 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: so many times on film where you know the receiver 296 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: that he's lined up over runs a shorter route and 297 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: under and he gets depth right and he gets up 298 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 1: the field and ends up taking the vertical in a 299 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,319 Speaker 1: match zone, and there's so many times where you get 300 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: some people's faces and plays press man. I think he's 301 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: the easiest transition into something like that, besides maybe the 302 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: actual Alabama Georgia Corns that are in this draft, like 303 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: Achille Ringo or an Eli Ricks. But in terms of 304 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: what Christian Gonzalez can do, I'm really impressed with his 305 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 1: instincts as awareness and coverage and his smarts and his 306 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: intelligence to be able to play those multiple coverages. So 307 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: he's someone at the top of his draft that if 308 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: the Patriots come away with him at fourteen, you have 309 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: to be thrilled. And let's stay at the top because 310 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: I think we're both really impressed by Joey Porter Jr. 311 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: And you know, as Patriots fans may be growing up, 312 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: we're expecting to see angry dog Joey Porter, you know 313 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: what ROI you know, and he has definitely a different personality. 314 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: Was asked you know about Hey, if he went to 315 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: the Ravens, Hey, if he went to the Patriots, has 316 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: all the right. I'll let you respond to what he 317 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: said about the Patriots, which was great, But you know, 318 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: I think that was kind of my question coming in, 319 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 1: is like, you know, is is he this kind of guy? 320 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: But he didn't seem like that at all. He seemed 321 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: like he's got, you know, just a really level headed 322 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: kind of player, physical, Penn State guy. I don't know 323 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: if that matters, but another guy who fits very poised 324 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: up there, very poised, very in control. And I would 325 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: say that you can look at guys like this and 326 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: more and more even despite their fathers played temperament or 327 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: their father's attitude, which we know Joey Porter has always 328 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: been a very outspoken, competitive ra ra type of guy. 329 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like that trickles down to the Yeah, 330 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: and he's very very chill, very you know, confident in himself. 331 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: And he was asked about the Patriots and his father. 332 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: Obviously a rivalry a competitiveness there, and he mentioned that 333 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: he thinks his father would actually be happy about getting 334 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: drafted by the Patriots because he knows that Bill Belichick 335 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: is there and it's gonna be putting Joey and Joey 336 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: Junior in the best position to succeed. So I thought 337 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: that was an interesting answer. He's another one of those 338 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: guys that's sixty three, I would say maybe six two, 339 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: extremely long. His wingspan is gonna maybe be record breaking 340 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: for a cornerback prospect. He's got a huge wingspan. He 341 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: can play press and he can play three because of 342 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: his length. And the guy that you hear the ceiling 343 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: comp you hear a lot of Sauce Gardner. No, Sauce 344 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: Gardner was an All Pro corner right out of the 345 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: gate as a rookie, very rare. So I wouldn't necessarily 346 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: put that on Joey Porter Junior, but he definitely has 347 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: that type of potential. So just a few other guys 348 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: I you know that I've been kind of looking at 349 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: that that I like, I mean, Clark Phillips, Emmanuel Forbes, 350 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: who's just got crazy ball production. Riley must have been 351 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: on the fence about like listening to him though today 352 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: he said a thing like mid round guy or fourth 353 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: round if they miss out on some of this top wave. 354 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: Devin Witherspoon, though, is an interesting one because he's another 355 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: one of those top probably three corners. Super physical, I mean, 356 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: she's he's lighting guys up left and right in the backfield. 357 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: But did not speak today. They were like he's getting 358 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: an MRI, which I was kind of surprised that they 359 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: would just like put that out there as if like 360 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 1: they found something serious. But I know you like Julius Brents, 361 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: Tyree Stevenson was talking for a while. I know you 362 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: asked him a couple of questions, but these are just 363 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: and lastly, I just want to say Garrett Williams was 364 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: a guy that I took in my mock draft that 365 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: you know, just coming off an ACL and I can't 366 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: quit those guys that are like he's a prototypical guy. 367 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: He does everything they need. He's coming off a ECL. 368 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: Talk to him. He said, Hey, I think I should 369 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: be cleared by Camp. So that's a positive development for him. 370 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: He just reminds me, though of a guy like you've 371 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: already got one up the top maybe you grabble him 372 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: in the third or fourth round, and now you've got 373 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: two good sized corners that are really going to reinforce 374 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: the room. It's just funny because all these names that 375 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: you mentioned, besides maybe the exception of Witherspoon, are all 376 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: over six feet tall. Like all these guys are big. 377 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: I really like Julius Brands from Kansas State. Thought he 378 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: had a great Senior Bowl week. I think he's got 379 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: that length at six foot three, physicality on the outside. 380 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: He needs to work on his ability to play the 381 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: football in the air and down the field a little bit, 382 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: but I think that he's somebody that can project really well. 383 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: I mentioned Clark Phillips, and I'll just quickly on Jordan Addison. 384 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: I did ask him about. He went a total tell 385 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: with Jordan Addison twice at Utah, and I really kind 386 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: of one of those marquee matchups, and that was something 387 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: that I was really trying to do a lot of 388 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: as much as I could with these corners and these receivers. 389 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: Is let's see best on best when you go up 390 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: against you know, Juju Brands against Quentin Johnston, Clark Phillips 391 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:07,920 Speaker 1: against Jordan Addison, Like these are the matchups you want 392 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 1: to see, and I thought Clark Phillips really battled with 393 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: Jordan Addison. Addison got some ws, he got some WS, 394 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 1: and it really went back and forth. And the one 395 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 1: thing that he mentioned about Addison was how patient he 396 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: is with his route running. He's really good at pacing 397 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:25,199 Speaker 1: his routes and he really makes the defensive back almost 398 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: antie of w where are you going, because he's really 399 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: really patient, and all of a sudden he hits the 400 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 1: gas and goes. So I thought he was. Phillips came 401 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: away really impressed with Addison's route running. He also mentioned 402 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: his elusiveness as well. So we'll talk to Addison tomorrow 403 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 1: and he'll be a star of the weekend, I'm sure 404 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: for Patriots fans. So it was interesting to pick people's 405 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 1: brains about guys they went up against. You know, I 406 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 1: was talking to Cam Smith about about Jalen Hyatt, right, 407 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: and going up against Jalen Hyade, Cam Smith South Carolina kid, 408 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 1: Stefan Gilmore, JC Horn like that's kind of becoming cbu 409 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 1: to a gree down there. And he was mentioning going 410 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: up against Hiatt and how they got back into the 411 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: meeting rooms on Sunday in South Carolina, and he said, 412 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:11,640 Speaker 1: give me Hyatt. I want him, give him to me. Now. 413 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 1: When I watched the film and I asked him about this, 414 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 1: he played eight yards off of High at the entire game, 415 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: never challenged him, and I was a little disappointed in 416 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: that because I wanted to see him have that alpha 417 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: and just kind of not just give up eight yard 418 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: hitches the entire game and really try to challenge him. 419 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 1: But he mentioned that they run a lot of option 420 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,880 Speaker 1: style routes where they give Hyatt the choice of going deeper, 421 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 1: sitting it down, and that type of thing. So he 422 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 1: was just trying to get him to sit it down 423 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: every single time, and that's ended up what happened. Especially High, 424 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: who reminds me like a Taykwon Thor and just the 425 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 1: body type, and you just love to see, you know, 426 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: how can you press him? Can he get can Hi 427 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: get off the line? It was more about Hyatt two, 428 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: It was about both of them. I wanted to see 429 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: Hyatt challenged at the line of scrimmage and it just 430 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,400 Speaker 1: didn't happen. All right, Well, great stuff. Really a lot 431 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: of great players today and plenty for us to you know, 432 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:00,679 Speaker 1: continue to dig into this cornerback class trying to find favorites. 433 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: Fine fits, we're gonna give you guys right now. We 434 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 1: talked to Mike Roadac from AL dot Com. Gave us 435 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: a bunch of insight into Bill O'Brien. I can check 436 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: that out here, all right. We're excited to be joined 437 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 1: now by a name that Patriots tans are probably pretty 438 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: familiar with, Mike Rodak, who you started with, Mike Reese, 439 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 1: you went up to Buffalo for a while, and now 440 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 1: you've been with Alabama, so you're with AL dot com now, 441 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 1: and we're excited to welcome Mike in. We got some 442 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 1: big questions here obviously about Bill O'Brien, and we know 443 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: the Alabama connection. So thanks for joining us, Mike. How's 444 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: your combinement going so far? It's been good. It's been good. 445 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: It's just, you know, it's part of basketball season when 446 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 1: you cover college sports, so you kind of got to 447 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: stop for a few minutes and go back to football 448 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 1: and remember, oh, yeah, they're thirteen Alabama guys here, and 449 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: remember what to ask them, and you know all these 450 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: games that happened back in the fall. Because as soon 451 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 1: as you shift to basketball sometimes your brain kind of 452 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 1: turns off football for a while. And when you see 453 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 1: Bill Belichick out at Alabama's Pro Day pretty much every year, 454 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: and he's out there with saving I always see the pictures, 455 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: but what have you just sort of witnessed of Bill 456 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: at pro days at Alabama spe typically. Yeah, so they 457 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: had no Pro day two years ago because of COVID. 458 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: This past year he was there and you know, he's 459 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: walks in. I think it was Matt Patricia last year 460 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: and they're talking to Bill O'Brien who happened to be 461 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,400 Speaker 1: there last year. And now they kind of watch, they 462 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 1: kind of stand back and talk to each other, and 463 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: it's one of those things for a while. I'm sure 464 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: people are saying, we'd love to just hear what they 465 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 1: have to say. And then I think NFL Film said 466 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: that documentary a few years ago where they miked them 467 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 1: up during dad and you know they're talking about players 468 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 1: and where did you take this guy? We'll does this 469 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: guy do well? And all that, And obviously we can't 470 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:33,439 Speaker 1: really walk up and listen to that. I'd love to, 471 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 1: but yeah, you know, you always hear Nick Saban talking 472 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: about his time with Belichick because he does like a 473 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 1: weekly radio show and he's always telling these old stories 474 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: about being in Cleveland and some of the things that 475 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 1: he learned from Bill. And it's just two guys who 476 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,479 Speaker 1: disappointed a career are just trying to keep on winning 477 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 1: and see how long they can do it. Same thing 478 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:54,880 Speaker 1: in Alabama. People don't know how long Nick Saban's gonna coach, 479 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: and we'll have to see how many more he wins. 480 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: So the obvious question is you saw Mac Jones play 481 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: when the National Championships. You've watched Bill O'Brien for a 482 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: couple of years. I'm sure you're probably with the Patriots 483 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: when Bill O'Brien was the offensive coordinator there. Just what 484 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: is kind of your expectation of how those two guys 485 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: are gonna come together and what do you kind of 486 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: expect to see from the offense with Bill and Mac. Yeah, 487 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: obviously the story everybody knows about Mac teaching Bill O'Brien 488 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: to playbook when he got to Alabama, But yeah, it's 489 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 1: you know, Bill O'Brien was obviously, quite frankly not well 490 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 1: liked by Alabama fans, and there's we can talk about 491 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: it more, but it's the standard is so high down 492 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: there that if you're not winning every game by forty 493 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,120 Speaker 1: or fifty points, you're not winning every game and winning 494 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: national championship every year, people are gonna look for somebody 495 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 1: to blame. And because of Nick Saban's success and the 496 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 1: seven rings that he has on his finger, nobody's really 497 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 1: gonna blame Nick Saban. So it's always gonna flow down 498 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 1: to coordinators. And it was really both sides of the 499 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: ball last year. So that's kind of why Bill O'Brien 500 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: I think caught some of the flak. It's just the 501 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: dynamics of fans not wanting to blame Saban, but really 502 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 1: the offense was great at Alabama and how much of 503 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: that gets carried over to New England. You know, they 504 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,679 Speaker 1: really run Alabama's playbook there, they run what Saban wants. 505 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: It's all the offensive coordinators they had, they've kind of 506 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: passed that terminology down. So he's going back to what 507 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: he had in the NFL with New England with the Texans, 508 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: I'm sure, and that was successful with Tom and with 509 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: what the pieces they had around him back then. And 510 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 1: you know, personality wise, I think him and Max should 511 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 1: get along. I think Max an easy guy to get 512 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: along with from what I've known at Alabama, a lot 513 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,919 Speaker 1: of players liked them there, and you know, he's fiery 514 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: a little bit, and we've seen that emotion from Mac. 515 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: We've seen the emotion from Bill O'Brien over the years, 516 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: and you know, it's not a bad thing. I think 517 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: both of those guys are passionate and I think they'll 518 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: they'll work well together. You mentioned the infamous story of 519 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: Mac teaching Bill O'Brien the playbook. What do you actually 520 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 1: know about that story, because I don't think it's ever 521 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 1: been explained to me further than just the fact that 522 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: they might have had a day or two two together 523 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,479 Speaker 1: and they might have taught the playbook to each other. 524 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: A good question. I have never dug deeper into that myself, 525 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 1: but I mean Bill O'Brien got down there. That was 526 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: like right after the Ohio State National Championship games. That 527 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: was in January, probably the second or third week of January, 528 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: and then Mac wasn't drafted until the end of April, 529 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 1: so that's three months where Mac was probably working out, 530 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,199 Speaker 1: and um, I know he was still around to a 531 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,159 Speaker 1: pretty good extent during us three months, so I think 532 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 1: it was more than just like a single day two 533 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: day thing. I think it was. They were both around 534 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 1: the facility a decent amount. And again, it's saving, as 535 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: always said, like you're running my system, and it's I 536 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: think that's tough for some guys to come in and 537 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 1: kind of give up that that power and what they've 538 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: run for for a long time. And yeah, I don't 539 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: know exactly if they're doing on a whiteboard or how 540 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: exactly it all worked but wrong right if he was 541 00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: quizzing him or any of that. But yeah, I think 542 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: that's that's certainly built a relationship between those two and 543 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: I think it was more than just a single day thing, 544 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: even if they're you know, running Nick's playbook. Was there 545 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: anything that you saw from Bill O'Brien that just said, hey, 546 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,360 Speaker 1: that reminded me of what I saw from the Patriots, 547 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: Just elements anything that you kind of can do over 548 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: the years. Yeah, I mean definitely the screen game. I 549 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: think they use more than what they had done under 550 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: Steve Sarkaesian before that, where I think sark was give 551 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: me a little bit more of RPO stuff, slants over 552 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:30,159 Speaker 1: the middle, and you had Alabama people just screaming for 553 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien to run more slants over the middle. But 554 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 1: that's also because back then they had Jerry Judy and 555 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: Jalen Waddle and de Monte Smith and Henry Ruggs to 556 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: run no slants, take the ball and run seventy yards 557 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 1: and they didn't have those guys with Bill O'Brien, and 558 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 1: so yeah, you kind of had to take it more 559 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 1: and smaller chunks with the receivers they had. They've had 560 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: a couple bigger, I want to say, slower but not 561 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: blazingly fast receivers that Jalen Waddle was. And you kind 562 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: of have to use the personnel the best way you can, 563 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 1: and I think Bill Obriant did that, and again I 564 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: think the screen game was certainly part of that. You know, 565 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 1: some of the swing passes to the running backs every 566 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 1: reminded me of New England going back to like Shane 567 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: Vereen and some of those guys. But they had a 568 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 1: great running back to do that too, and Jamir Gibbs, 569 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 1: so he used to personnel that he had and I 570 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,479 Speaker 1: don't think he can just snap his fingers and um, 571 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: you know, make an ad R touchdown out of thin air. 572 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: And I think fans, again, we're just mad that stuff 573 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: wasn't happening. It's quite as often. Yeah, it just before 574 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: we move on to some prospects, and I'm definitely gonna 575 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: pepper you a slew of those, But just in general, 576 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 1: I've always fascinated by Nick Saban's conversation that he had 577 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 1: about we need to evolve on offense. I think it's 578 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,120 Speaker 1: like twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen somewhere around there, And how 579 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: did you see Bill O'Brien jump on to that bandwagon 580 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: of we gotta light up the scoreboard now in college 581 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: football that compete and not be this ground and pound 582 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: type of tea. Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting because it's there's 583 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,360 Speaker 1: some thought that it could go a little bit backwards 584 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,160 Speaker 1: for Alabama this year, but um, yeah, they really moved 585 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 1: to the spread and having you know, a quicker pace 586 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 1: under Laying Kiffin, like twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, and then 587 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 1: Brian day All did that, and then Steve Sarkisian and 588 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 1: then Bill O'Brien and that's you know, they were moving 589 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,160 Speaker 1: quickly at some points and I had three or four 590 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,959 Speaker 1: guys spread out and that's kind of what college football 591 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: had become, and that's what Nick Saban wanted to run, 592 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: but there was actually their running game wasn't great, and 593 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: there was a few situations last year where they needed 594 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: a couple of yards, needed to chew the clock a 595 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,919 Speaker 1: little bit, and they just couldn't run the ball, and 596 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: that was I think a source of frustration for Savid, 597 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: and Saban's already talking about wanting to get back to 598 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: more balance on offense next year. So I think O'Brien 599 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 1: certainly embraced it, but I think sometimes the forces move 600 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,880 Speaker 1: in both directions, and if they were able to run 601 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 1: the ball for three plays in a row at Tennessee, 602 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: they probably win that game instead of lose it, because 603 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: otherwise they couldn't run the clock down and balling back 604 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: to Tennessee and they won that game. So we'll make 605 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 1: the jump into some prospects now, because I mean, as 606 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: at the Alabama guys are always the top the list 607 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: for from Patriots fans in I just want to start 608 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: with Brian Branch, who clearly not a huge knee for 609 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: the Patriots. We know every year they seemed to take 610 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 1: you know, those kind of hybrid strong safety types. But 611 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:07,880 Speaker 1: the two safeties, I mean, both of them are really good. 612 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: How do you see those guys you know, I mean, 613 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: I think that it's probably out of the Patriots range 614 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: right now, but it seems like Brian Branch is a 615 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,880 Speaker 1: plug and play player for him, Yeah, if they needed him. 616 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 1: I feel like mid first round is still where it 617 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,640 Speaker 1: seems to be projected. So if you want to spend 618 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,880 Speaker 1: a first round peck on him, I think they probably could. 619 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 1: He probably would be there at fourteen. You know, it's 620 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 1: a guy who I think came in with comparisons to 621 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: Making Fitzpatrick. I don't know if he ever met those, 622 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: And that's not a knock against him. Making Fitzpatrick was 623 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: a fantastic, like all American level player at Alabama who 624 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 1: was making plays all over the field. You know, Brian 625 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: Wrench wasn't quite to that level. I think it's a 626 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,640 Speaker 1: little bit unfair to like judge him by that, But 627 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: that was kind of the comparison from playing style standpoint 628 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,920 Speaker 1: that people thought of him as and he played a 629 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: lot as a freshman, actually didn't play much as as 630 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 1: a sophomore as much just because of there's another guy 631 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 1: who kind of played his spot and it was a competition. 632 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 1: They went back and forth. Then he really didn't find 633 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: his true footing. I would say until this past season 634 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,439 Speaker 1: as a junior, where you know, played a lot of 635 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 1: in the box safety type stuff, but can cover slot receivers. 636 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 1: Did a really good job against Brock Bowers. I would 637 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: say again, you know against Georgia, he was probably the 638 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 1: best tight end in the nation next year, and he 639 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,439 Speaker 1: can cover tight ends, he can probably cover the slot. 640 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 1: He didn't play much deep safety, so that's a projection 641 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: to see if he could do that at the NFL level. 642 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: He probably could um Whereas Jordan Battle played a lot 643 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 1: of deep safety and you know, made some plays there 644 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: as well. So two different players. I think they would 645 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 1: both work in the defense and in two different ways. 646 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: And you know, there's there might be some overlap between 647 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: Branch and Dugger, but I think they could still be 648 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: both on the field at the same time. I found 649 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: it fascinating that one, he's working out with the corners 650 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 1: this week instead of safeties. In two, he's one hundred 651 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: ninety pounds maybe, and you'd project him into the box 652 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: at one hundred ninety pounds in the NFL A little 653 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: bit of a concern. And I when I was watching 654 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: him on film, like, well, he's got the speed, he's 655 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: got the instincts maybe this is a Devin mccordy like 656 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: transition where he plays more on the back end in 657 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: the NFL. He's a really good tackler, so I think 658 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 1: that makes up for his size and that he's just 659 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: fundamentally technique wise, a really good tackler who didn't really 660 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: miss money tackles. He's also, you know, a good pass 661 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: rusher too. They used him to get after get after 662 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 1: it on blitzes and had a few sacks and also 663 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 1: had a few picks too, so he was able to 664 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: do a few different things. But yeah, you know, he 665 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: more positioned wise, he did play corner like within the 666 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: Knick Savings system, he was more of a corner because 667 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: he played in the slot with the star position and 668 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 1: then played in the money position, which is almost in 669 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: a linebacker type role. Never really played outside corner, but 670 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: also didn't play it deep safe to either. And there 671 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 1: was some talk like because he every They had three 672 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 1: juniors declare for the draft right after the Sugar Bowl, 673 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: and two of them were obvious and Bryce Young and 674 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 1: Will Anderson. Brian Branch awaited like until later that day 675 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 1: to make his decision, and there was some talk that 676 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: morning then maybe he comes back to school for fourth year, 677 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: plays deep safety and shows teams he can do that, 678 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: because that was the big question about him. Any other 679 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 1: guys the Alabama group that that particularly stand out to you? 680 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 1: Maybe ping the Patriots radar a little bit. Yeah, you know, 681 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 1: there's you never quite know. Like I was surprised when 682 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 1: I took Christian Barmore because like Barmore didn't do a 683 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: whole lot of Alabama and he's turned into a really 684 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: good player in the NFL like he was. That was 685 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 1: a projection on their part, not a guy who I 686 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: would have thought of. But so you're not one hundred 687 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 1: percent sure about you know, who do they like exactly? 688 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: Cameron Latto at tight end? I think would be interesting 689 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 1: if one of my guys. Yeah, we'll have to see 690 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: obviously what happens with you know, John hu Smith long term? 691 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: Can I put Cameron Latto in one of those roles 692 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 1: and have two tight ends that that can move like 693 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 1: Latto has got some athleticism to him and showing he 694 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: can catch the ball too, So you know, mid to 695 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: late round guy. It seems like with him, you know, 696 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: Jamire Gibbs is not gonna be on the board. I 697 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: don't think and when they pick in the second round, 698 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: because he'll be late first early second. But they could 699 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: use that pass catching back that he is kind of 700 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 1: that outlet for mac like Brady used that for twenty years. 701 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 1: And like, you don't have the receiver's open, you throw 702 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: your running back, you get five or six yards and 703 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 1: that's effective. Like that's a good thing to have. You know, 704 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: Stevenson can do that, but he's also your your bell 705 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: cow running back and have him down all three downs 706 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 1: on the field is tough. So they could use a 707 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,959 Speaker 1: guy like that. Um, if he drops or if they 708 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 1: move up or something like that. But um, there's not 709 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: a receiver in this draft. Relabama fans are upset about that. 710 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 1: And no, but you're talking about language with Gibbs because 711 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 1: I'm not a running backsky. I'm a running backs don't matter. No, 712 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 1: no running backs in the first round. That's me. But 713 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: I was watching Alabama against Kansas State. I was really 714 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 1: watching Tyler Steen and then Gibbs just I mean, every 715 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 1: every time he touches the ball, it's like he's shot 716 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 1: out of the cannon. Yeah, And I like, this guy 717 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: is in a different level of speed, and like you said, 718 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: they can throw the balls out of the backfield. They 719 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: can move him in the slot like Bill Ryan did 720 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: a little bit and play him at receiver in a way. 721 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 1: I would label him for the Patriots fans because I 722 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: know I can hear it already, Mike, I have the 723 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: Patriots draft Gibbs, They're gonna Patriots fans will lose their 724 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 1: mind running back early in the draft. What are we doing? 725 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: Offensive weapon? He's a he's a weapon on offense. Ti Montgomery, Yeah, 726 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: better right, yeah? And you you don't don't get too 727 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 1: caught up in the RB right of it. And I 728 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: think with Rmandre, Rmandre can be the between the tackles, 729 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 1: you know, workhorse running back and Gibbs is more of 730 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 1: your playmaker. And I could see that work and that 731 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 1: that's a big part of it. I think the Bill 732 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 1: O'Brien offense historically is what kind of having that guy 733 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 1: he was Verene when he was there, and Kevin Folk 734 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: before that, and was you know Charlie Wis. So yeah, 735 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 1: that can help. I mean Tyler Steen just to go 736 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 1: back to him for a something like I think he's 737 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: probably gonna play guard at the NFL level, that's what 738 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: he I think he practiced the Senior Bowl there and 739 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: he was a solid tackle for all of him. I 740 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: don't know if I would spend an early round pick 741 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: on him to play tackle in the NFL, but you 742 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 1: can take a flyer on him mid rounds and maybe 743 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: he's a guy who can play both tackle and guard 744 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: and kind of be a backup for you and see 745 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 1: what you can mold them into. Anybody else, have anyone 746 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 1: before we let Michael he mentioned a bunch of the names. 747 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 1: The only other name I would mention his Eli Ricks. 748 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, depending on him. He came out 749 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 1: blinged out at the podium earlier. It was not. It 750 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: was a little bit of a disaster for him. Quite 751 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: frankly for Ye at Alabama this year, huge expectations coming in. 752 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 1: Who was a freshman All American at LSU, top ten 753 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 1: prospect at LSU and had a great freshman year there 754 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 1: and then was heard a second year transferred Alabama. People 755 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 1: were already talking with as a top ten pick back 756 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 1: in May, and you know, preseason All American he was 757 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: gonna start for him. He didn't even earn a starting 758 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 1: job out of camp. He didn't play the first six 759 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: or seven games out of the year and finally earned 760 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 1: that job in the middle of October, and then a 761 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: couple of games later got a concussion, was out again 762 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 1: for a little while. So just a bit of a 763 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: disaster in terms of learning to playbook. And I don't 764 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 1: think there was off field issues necessarily with him, but 765 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 1: just there was certainly issues and learning Sabans playbook that 766 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,360 Speaker 1: Sabans talked about that Rix has talked about and it 767 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 1: came along really slowly for him. But he's long, and 768 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 1: that's his biggest traits. He's long and he's tall. For 769 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,400 Speaker 1: me personally having covered the Patriots twenty ten to twenty twelve, 770 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 1: the name that comes to mind is Rosi Dowling. I 771 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 1: want to think of Eli Rix. So again there's you 772 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 1: can project him that he's long, and that can you 773 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,919 Speaker 1: can use that against tight ends or whatever. But we'll 774 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:30,360 Speaker 1: have to see what he runs into forty because I 775 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 1: don't know how fast he is. I'm gonna put you 776 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: on the spot before you let it go. If there's 777 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 1: one Alabama player, just in general, who do you see 778 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 1: the Patriots taking, then one guy that you would say 779 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,840 Speaker 1: is this guy is a Patriot branch? Yeah, yeah, just 780 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 1: personality wise, position versatility. I can see Branch being a 781 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 1: fit for them. He's Mike Rodack. Mike, thanks for joining us. 782 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,239 Speaker 1: You the authority, Alabama, the Patriots. Nobody better, so I 783 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 1: appreciate you taking the time with us. Thank you. All Right, 784 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for Evan and I here at 785 00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,360 Speaker 1: day three of the combine, day two of pros, and 786 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:01,840 Speaker 1: I mean it's only going to get better here on 787 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 1: Friday and Saturday. We got quarterbacks, wide receivers, tight ends, 788 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 1: running backs, and offensive tackles, offensive line. It's going to 789 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,760 Speaker 1: be really cool. A lot of big eats into Patriots. 790 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,879 Speaker 1: I know it doesn't quit, and you know we won't 791 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 1: quit for you guys. We got you covered every way 792 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 1: you need, written, pods, videos, it's all coming at you. 793 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:18,799 Speaker 1: Two more days of content. Let's get it.