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Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature feature production of I Heart Radio. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology

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Speaker 1: and evolutionary biology, and I like to dive into the

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Speaker 1: brains of humans and animals and see that, hey, we're

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Speaker 1: not so different after all. I mean, you guys legs too. Right.

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Speaker 1: Today on the show Part in My Turkey, Welcome to

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Speaker 1: Domestication Station, as we talk about the weird and wild

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Speaker 1: world of artificial selection, giant chickens, turkeys, swoll cows, oh my,

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Speaker 1: discover these animals and more. As we asked the angel question,

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Speaker 1: if Arnold Schwartzenegger was a chicken, what would he look like?

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Speaker 1: So the ancestors of the chicken can be traced back

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Speaker 1: to one bird, the jungle fowl. The red jungle fowl

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Speaker 1: and maybe some hybridization of the gray. Jungle fowl is

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Speaker 1: the single ancestor of all domesticated chickens. Their native to

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Speaker 1: Southeast Asia, India and Sri Lanka. They were first domesticated

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Speaker 1: in India over five thousand years ago. The jungle fowl,

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Speaker 1: at least the males, look somewhat similar to the image

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Speaker 1: of the rooster you may be picturing, though they're a

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Speaker 1: bit smaller. The females are also leaner than their domesticated counterparts.

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Speaker 1: They only fly short distances, and the males do an

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Speaker 1: interesting behavior called tidbitding, where they entice females with a

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Speaker 1: bit of food that they pick up and drop repeatedly.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like a bad dinner day, Am alright, am alright.

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Speaker 1: The jungle fowl is likely the single common ancestor of

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Speaker 1: all modern chickens. For a time, there was a theory

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Speaker 1: that there was a species called Gallus gigantius, a hypothetical

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Speaker 1: extinct chicken that some believed existed based on bone fragments.

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Speaker 1: It's a huge bird that loomed over the jungle fowl,

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Speaker 1: and some believe that this interbreeding created the medium sized

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Speaker 1: domesticated chicken. However, this is likely not the case. Those

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Speaker 1: bone fragments were probably another chicken known as the Malayan fowl,

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Speaker 1: a very large breed of domes sticated chicken. These boys

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Speaker 1: are a tall drink of water, standing over thirty six

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Speaker 1: inches high, with legs for days. The point of this

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Speaker 1: story is that artificial selection, the act of domestication, can

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Speaker 1: be so transformative. It's easy to mistake a certain domesticated

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Speaker 1: animal for an entirely different species. Today we'll be looking

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Speaker 1: at the completely insane amount of morphological diversity among domesticated

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Speaker 1: animals and the horrific, beautiful, messed up things humans have

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Speaker 1: done playing god with animals. Joining me today is my

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Speaker 1: good friend, podcaster host, a gamefully unemployed and best bad

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Speaker 1: movie ever, owner of a demon cat, and all around

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Speaker 1: cool guy, David Bell. Hi, so good to have you here.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me on. I'm very excited beyond Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I love your cat. By the way, she's a great cat.

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Speaker 1: She is objectively better than me, well well as a presence,

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Speaker 1: she's I'm a better human. She commands more in terms

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Speaker 1: of just fear, respect that comes from year perhaps. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: she's real feral yeah. Um. So I first want to

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Speaker 1: say that I got a lot of the info for

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Speaker 1: this episode from there's this beautiful book called Unnatural Selection.

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Speaker 1: It's by Katrina Van Grow. She's a science author and

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Speaker 1: an incredible illustrator and overall just way more talented than

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Speaker 1: I will ever hope to be. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: that's true. She can draw a chicken, though, she can

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Speaker 1: draw a chicken like I've never seen anyone draw a

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Speaker 1: chicken before. Yeah, that skill has limited applications though, joll

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Speaker 1: me like one of your fit French chickens cat Katrina. Now,

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Speaker 1: it's a beautiful book. I think it's a book that

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Speaker 1: anyone can read through, even if you don't have a

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Speaker 1: deeper knowledge of evolutionary biology. It's just very well written

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Speaker 1: and beautifully illustrated. I highly recommend it. Yeah, how can

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Speaker 1: you not like chickens? How can you not? It has

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Speaker 1: so many It's not just chickens, it's also sheep and

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Speaker 1: animals that humans have concocted, which are often uniformly horrifying.

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Speaker 1: It's I think it's like the ultimate revenge. As we

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Speaker 1: and we're like, we're not just gonna kill these animals.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna We're gonna just slowly change what they are fundamentally.

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Speaker 1: We will bend their bones to our will. We will

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Speaker 1: create a dystopian universe for these animals. We will take

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Speaker 1: a chihuahua, make it unrecognizable. Yeah. So, so we are

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Speaker 1: indeed sort were monsters were godlike monsters. So first I

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Speaker 1: The broiler chickens. So the broiler chicken is probably if

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Speaker 1: It's bread specifically for meat production. Now I should start

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Speaker 1: out with the caveat Dave, you are a vegetarian. This

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Speaker 1: It's okay. I'm not, as we were saying before this.

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Speaker 1: looks delicious, It looks delicious like jellybelly. Yeah. See, I

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Speaker 1: just don't like me. I mean, I mean, there's definitely

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Speaker 1: interesting podcast. I think it'll be interesting to get your

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Speaker 1: perspective of someone who isn't addicted to the flesh of

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Speaker 1: been domesticated to accumulate weight quickly, so that at around

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Speaker 1: four to seven weeks of age, they're already ready for slaughter.

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Speaker 1: They have white feathers, which means the reason they are

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Speaker 1: white is so that after being plucked, their corpse looks

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Speaker 1: more delicious because with brown feathers you can actually see

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Speaker 1: Due to the way the chickens were selectively bred to

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Speaker 1: precludes natural mating. We have we've screwed these guys up,

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Speaker 1: these poor little fellows. So they're they're large breasts make

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Speaker 1: that you eat. You know, not needed Dave, but other people,

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Speaker 1: those of us who have this the sanguine desire for flesh.

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Speaker 1: So to make more chickens, here's the thing. What do

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Speaker 1: the farming industry uses artificial insemination on a select few

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Speaker 1: So this dark, dark seed has been planted into the

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Speaker 1: female's reproductive tract and more of these cute little abominations

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Speaker 1: You know what, go to home depot, get a hammer,

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Speaker 1: don't sports. You don't sports. Yeah, they they're also uh,

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Speaker 1: they don't weigh that much. They're about I think they're

423
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 1: under like five grams or something. Why would we do this?

424
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 1: Why would because adorable because it's like a this is

425
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 1: you keep talking about wanting to eat a baby Yoda?

426
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,679
Speaker 1: Here it is? Are these getting eaten? No? No, I

427
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,919
Speaker 1: don't think so. I mean you could. I mean it

428
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 1: would be like maybe like a thimbleful of me a

429
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,880
Speaker 1: tiny although we do eat quail and the really only

430
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 1: happ anything, right, Yeah, well that is true. Yeah, we

431
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 1: will find if there's a way to eat something, we

432
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: will find it. So the next one is I like

433
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 1: to call it the goth chicken. It is the I

434
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 1: Am Semoni chicken, which is jet black all the way through.

435
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 1: So it is possibly the most deeply pigmented animal on

436
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: the planet because even its bones and internal organs are

437
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: jet black. So it originates from Indonesia. It's that goth.

438
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,640
Speaker 1: It is deep. This is not this is like typo negative. God, Yeah,

439
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 1: this isn't. This isn't. Oh I dyed one strand of

440
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 1: my hair red and I'm goth. Now this is this

441
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:46,120
Speaker 1: is like I only wear nine inch nails shirts and

442
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 1: my shoes lace up to my butt hole. Mindless self

443
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:54,199
Speaker 1: indulgence concerts. Yes, yes, this is. This is I have

444
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: permanently tattooed dark makeup and shaved off my eyebrows. Goth

445
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: the are the most These are the most goth that

446
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,719
Speaker 1: you can achieve. If your bones are black, that's the

447
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 1: most goth. They are from Indonesia. They have a mutation

448
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 1: known as dermo fibro melanosis, which is so normally chickens

449
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: and other animals have genes in skin, feather, hair, or

450
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: fur follicular cells that control color. So the genes and

451
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 1: these cells basically send out a request for melano blasts,

452
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 1: which are cells that develop into melanocytes, which is these

453
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: are all just fancy words to say that these are

454
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 1: cells that control pigment. And so if you have the

455
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: gene in the cell, it's like, hey, pigment, come over here,

456
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: give me some red color on these locks. Like that.

457
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: That's that's how it works. But usually your bones don't

458
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 1: have that gene. Your bones aren't like, hey, red hair gene,

459
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 1: come over here and make my bones red. In the

460
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: I am so many chickens. Cells in the bones and

461
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: other organs and feathers erroneously have the genes that ask

462
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: for melana sites to come over, meaning they have black bones,

463
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: which is a called like a mismigration of the milan in.

464
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 1: It's the coolest thing I think an animal can do,

465
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: to have black bones. I think that's the coolest thing.

466
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: It apparently makes the meat taste different. I don't know

467
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 1: why we're eating the black bones chickens for the bones well,

468
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 1: but the problem is these are clearly demon chickens, and

469
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: we were basically, if you eat one of these chickens,

470
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: I think that you will willingly signed onto Satan's army.

471
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: Is one of his Oh yeah, Satan was like, I'm

472
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: putting these demon birds in and see who eats them.

473
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: Right now, I think about it's kind of a bummer

474
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: to have awesome bones because there's only one way to

475
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: get to those bones, and it's not a pleasant way. Yeah,

476
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: there's only one way to get to them bones. That's

477
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: a that's a good that's a good catchphrase. I like

478
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: that only one way to get to them bones. So

479
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: it's a total restructuring of the genome to create these

480
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: goth chickens, possibly being traced back to a single bird. Now,

481
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: this is an interesting thing in evolution because this is

482
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: known as a macro mutation. Where it's like one huge mutation.

483
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: So usually traits are developed over long periods of time,

484
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: thousands and thousands, hundreds of thousands of years, just to

485
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: get a slightly different trade or just to get a

486
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: new trade, whereas there are macro mutations where just boom,

487
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 1: suddenly your bones are black. Uh, And so the idea

488
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: of macro mutations as being a driving force of evolution

489
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: is mostly debunked. It was called mutationism, which argued big

490
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: steps rather than small gradual changes, had to be responsible

491
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: for evolutionary progress. But this theory was mostly debunked by

492
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: Darwin's national selection and Mandelian genetics that showed mostly when

493
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: you have a huge like a big mutation, it's typically

494
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: bad for the animal, and better to have these smaller

495
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: mutations that don't hurt yet that kind of work towards

496
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: maybe a more advantageous trait. Yeah, if your bones went

497
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: black overnight, very worrying. The hopeful monster is the name

498
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: for the model of an animal who has a macro

499
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: mutation that would become successful, And it was a model

500
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: in n that is definitely never caught on and was

501
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: widely ridiculed. But the hopeful monster model actually works well

502
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: with artificial selection because humans are weirdos and we love

503
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: to see crazy, insane animals that have black bones and

504
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: huge chunky feet. We are the most like perverse of

505
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: the species on this planet. We didn't, Yeah, we do

506
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: love an underdog, and by underdog, like a dog with

507
00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: an underbyte that we've breke right exactly. I've seen viral

508
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: images that suggest the eggs of the i Am Smani

509
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,479
Speaker 1: Goth chicken are black, but in my research it appears

510
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: the eggs are like pink. The black eggs are likely

511
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: a hoax. Images online of these jet black eggs maybe

512
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: Oakudani black eggs regular chicken eggs that turn black after

513
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: being boiled in Owaka Dani Valley, Hakone, Japan's hot springs,

514
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: where the sulfur in the water causes a chemical reaction,

515
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: turning the egg shells black and birds. Egg pigment comes

516
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: from the reproductive tract. The squishy yolk and white of

517
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: the egg is covered in calcium carbonate from special shell

518
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: glands as they make their way down the bird uterus,

519
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: then they're covered in a layer of protective protein. At

520
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: this point, patterns and pigments may be added from special

521
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: glands that spray paint the eggs. It's like a factory

522
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: conveyor belt made out of chicken uterus. This process takes

523
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: only about twenty four hours. Those specialized pigment blasting glands

524
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: can be so in utably precise that they're time to

525
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: fire at certain times to produce specific coloration and patterning,

526
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: often camouflage for each egg. When we return, get out

527
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: your hands in construction paper. It's turkey time. Gobble, gobble, everybody,

528
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: it's turkey time. You know what a turkey is. It's

529
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: roughly the shape of your hand plus some construction paper

530
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: beaks and feet. The turkey, unlike the chicken, is indigenous

531
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: to the America's Native Americans have been domesticating turkeys for

532
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: over one thousand, five hundred years. The ancestors of the

533
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: modern day turkey meligress, Gallopevo, the wild turkey, have been

534
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: linked to bone fragments, along with archaeological finds of fences

535
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: and cages and corn in Central Mexico dated back to

536
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: eight hundred BC, indicating that all ready the turkey was

537
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: being held captive. Nowadays, the turkey that's on your table

538
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: is a far gobble from the colorful blue red, pink,

539
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: and purple wild turkeys. So let's talk a bit about

540
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: this noble creature who are once nominated by Benjamin Franklin

541
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: to be the national bird, as Franklin considered them to

542
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: be a bird of courage. God, I wish we had

543
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: gone that route. Can you imagine how uch cooler America

544
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: would have been. He's not wrong. They are a bird

545
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: of courage, they really are. They are better. Yeah, they're

546
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: a better analogy for America where they run in places

547
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: and tack people and freak everybody. It really I mean,

548
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: but I think if we had gone with the turkey,

549
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: we would have been a more humble nation because we

550
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: would have been looking into a mirror, right, yes, a

551
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: turkey shaped mirror. Oh yeah, And like there'd be a

552
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: little turkeys on like the top of flag pools and

553
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: like maybe like everything, we'd have busts of turkeys, Like

554
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: presidential candidates would pose next to a turkey. God, it

555
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: would have been so much better. He was, so we

556
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't be eating them. I don't think once a

557
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: year we'd be eating eagles instead. And eagles are they're

558
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: like in certain places, they're past like like if you

559
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: go to Alaska, you can just yeah, you can eat

560
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: the eagle. I think I cannot fact check that right now,

561
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 1: but I'm not sure if we can. If you can

562
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: just eat eagles, if it's true, I don't know if

563
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: it's If it's true, Alaska, that should be their state

564
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 1: motto because that's eagles. You can eat eagles here. I

565
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 1: don't think it's I don't think it's legal to eat eagles.

566
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: Probably illegal, eagle illegal legal. So domesticated turkeys have white

567
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 1: feathers unlike the natural hand turkey variety, and it's the

568
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: same reason as chicken, so their corpses look more pretty

569
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: and so you can't see their pin feathers if they

570
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: missed a few when they defeathered them. So they're called

571
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: the turkey because Europeans stupidly misidentified the American turkey as

572
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: a guinea fowl from Turkey the country. But the Latin

573
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: name for turkeys is gallopavo or chicken peacock, like that

574
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,959
Speaker 1: better chicken peacock. Yeah, this is a better name, isn't

575
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: It makes it makes it feel a little weirder to

576
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: eat them, like you don't eat peacock. Well, we don't,

577
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: although I think you can in Elizabethan's You see. We

578
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: talked about this on another podcast where I had Smart

579
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: Else host on Katherine Spears. We talked about how they

580
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: used to uh eat peacocks and swans and then they

581
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: would stuff the swan and peacock skin back with the meat,

582
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: so you would be eating the meat out of a

583
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: stuffed peacock. Yeah. I lived near peacock's growing up, and

584
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: they are allowed angry animals and there's ever a bird

585
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: that deserved to get eaten. We had a peacock take

586
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: my family hostage when I was a little kid, just

587
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: landed in our yard, stayed there. We fed it bread

588
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: and it would scream at us. It was great. I

589
00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 1: missed that peacock. So the wild Turkey's bit and Bob's

590
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: are all male sexual displays. So that big old fantail

591
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: all the neck business going on. So the fleshy head

592
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: bump bumps are called car uncles. The fleshy protuberance that

593
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: comes off the beak is called the snood. That throat

594
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 1: dangles called the wattle, and the chest feathers are called

595
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: the beard. So the snood, which is that dangle thing

596
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: that comes off the beak is like a beak weener,

597
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 1: because when the male is displaying to females, the snood

598
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: becomes erect, so the beard is like the pups. Yeah sure, yeah,

599
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: I mean if we're doing the beak weener, the yeah,

600
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: I mean it is, it's it's like straightens out it

601
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 1: because yeah that. So to entice the female, the turkey

602
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: will puff out its chest feathers and tail feathers, its

603
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 1: struts and does a ritualistic sexy sneezing with an erect

604
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: snood in bright red e gorged her uncles. Then the

605
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: turkey will also do body vibrations hot hot. So I

606
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:12,280
Speaker 1: want to answer a question, which is our turkeys stupid?

607
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: Are they? I don't know. Probably I think that they

608
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: are considered stupid, And the popular conception of turkey stupidity

609
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: comes from the awkward way they walk, probably the the

610
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: erect nudes that they do, and the stupid things that

611
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: they do, like staring into the rain with their mouths

612
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: open until they allegedly drown. So I looked into this

613
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 1: and specifically that behavior of staring into the rain is

614
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: not actually stupidity or a death wish, and there's not

615
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: really evidence that they drown in any significant numbers. It's

616
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: caused by an inherited condition called titanic torticol or spasms,

617
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: which is a result of our domestication of them. So

618
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,919
Speaker 1: it's a neurological tick where the turkeys throw their heads

619
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: onto their backs and point their beaks upward into the sky.

620
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: I like to think that they're just asking God, why

621
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 1: why have you done this? Right? And if they're drowning,

622
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: they're just like end it. Yeah, it's not. They're not mesmerized.

623
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: It's not some dude at burning Man. They're not like

624
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 1: whoa when the rain comes towards you, like little dots

625
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: man in space, it's like styles are falling on my face.

626
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: So turkey advocates argue that turkeys are highly social and

627
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: not as stupid as they seem, and they indeed have

628
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: a lot of like social gobbles. They but they're they're

629
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 1: actually kind of aggressive towards each other sometimes. So they're

630
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: not it's all not all sunshine and roses with with

631
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: the turkeys, but they are they are highly social and

632
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: they Yeah, I think that they're probably not as smart

633
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: as say crows or you know, these other smarter bird species,

634
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: but they're probably not complete imbeciles. Did you see on

635
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: the on the social media's there was a video of

636
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: a turkey following a mail truck and it was apparently

637
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: doing it for like a month, and it would follow

638
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: it along and then whenever he'd stop and give him ale,

639
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: it would like bother the mail. That's wonderful. So they're

640
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: smart enough to be jerks. The Turkey Revolution come. Yeah.

641
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: I saw a video of a bunch of turkeys just

642
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: circling a cat like and I think the cat may

643
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: have been dead cat, and they were just they formed

644
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,720
Speaker 1: this circle around the cat. And the explanation I saw

645
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: of it was that the turkeys were curious. But no,

646
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: that's the devil. It's the devil. That's that's some sinister stuff.

647
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 1: Or that's like Turkey time. This cat for the Turkey Revolution.

648
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: So related to the turkey. I always think of the

649
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: dodo because they are another cidered stupid bird which is

650
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: not actually related to the turkey. But I kind of

651
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: want to give the dodo a bit of a reprieve

652
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: from their perception as the dumbest animal. The turkey is

653
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,439
Speaker 1: more closely related to chickens than to the dodo. Uh.

654
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: The dodos had brains that were about the size of

655
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 1: a pigeon's um, which we know doesn't necessarily mean anything

656
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: about intelligent, Like crow brains are pretty small and they're

657
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,760
Speaker 1: actually very smart, so brain size doesn't necessarily indicate anything,

658
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: but it is an indication that they may not have

659
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: been There's no evidence to suggest they were much dumber

660
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,720
Speaker 1: than a pigeon, so they were considered to be stupid

661
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: due to how easy it was to round them up

662
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 1: onto the ships of Dutch sailors on their native island.

663
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: After the human invasion, the Dodo quickly went extinct in

664
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,280
Speaker 1: the late sixteen hundreds, and a lot of people attribute

665
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: this to humans hunting them and the Dodos just being

666
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: too stupid to not prevent their own mass demise. But

667
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: I don't think this is necessarily true. So the reason

668
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: they were easy to capture wasn't because they were stupid,

669
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: but due to the fact that as island birds, they

670
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: were never exposed to humans or even comparably large predators

671
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,720
Speaker 1: that they need a defense strategy against. Right, they're just friendly,

672
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: right end, neighbor, Would you like to come over and

673
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: play some yachts? Do you play yachts? And we're like, yes,

674
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 1: get into this box here, and we'll have a great

675
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: time coming to our ships. Please. Yeah. So consider the quaco,

676
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 1: which is that adorable little mammal that's isolated two small

677
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: islands off the coast of Australia. We've talked about it

678
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,280
Speaker 1: on the show. If you don't know what is, google

679
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: that right now. They are adorable. Here let me show you.

680
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: There's definitely certain species that if we decided to suddenly

681
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: eat them, it would be very easy. It'd be very

682
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: it would be incredibly easy to just because we just

683
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 1: haven't and they didn't, they're gonna be like, I didn't

684
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 1: know they do that. So here's the quaca. Oh I've

685
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: seen these. Yeah, they're adorable little mammals. They have no

686
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 1: fear of humans because they live in on island and

687
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: they they're only predators are snakes, so they have they

688
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: just don't associate humans with a threat, so they'll take

689
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: selfies with you. Now, we are actually kind of a

690
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: threat to them when we leave our litter or try

691
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 1: to touch them or feed them and in general in general. Yeah,

692
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 1: but if we just it's so frustrating because people you

693
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 1: can take selfies with them as long as you don't

694
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: touch them and you don't feed them. This could be

695
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: a perfectly fine relationship, but I feel like we're going

696
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 1: to mess it up by like shoving Snickers bars in

697
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: them because they look so cute. We have to touch things.

698
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: We do have to touch a little belly. There's no

699
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: way I can't. They can't bite, though they they'll they'll

700
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 1: only allow so much interaction before they bite to So

701
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: I feel like the dodos may have been similar to

702
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: the quaca. So like, if they had been alive today,

703
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: maybe we would would have taken a bunch of selfies

704
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 1: with them. And they're stupid, happy little faces. Yeah, if

705
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: we knew better, right, But if you're like showing up

706
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: on island, you're like, I'm really hungry and these birds

707
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: are walking up like high. Yeah. Actually, so far from

708
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: being the plump and juicy victim of dinner time, Dodos

709
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: probably didn't die out because of overhunting. In fact, their

710
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: meat was not necessarily all that great anyways. The really

711
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: juicy looking dodo image comes from captive, over fed dodos,

712
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: whereas wild dodos probably died out due to the animal

713
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: hitchhikers that invaded along with the sailors, so namely rats, rats,

714
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: and other invasive species, likely eight dodo eggs, and out

715
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: competed them for food until they were driven to extinction,

716
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: which is happens very easily on these islands. It happens

717
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 1: to birds on islands when cats are introduced, because the

718
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 1: birds just they don't have a natural predator as efficient

719
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: as a cat, and then the cat comes in and

720
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: just cleans that island up. Cats were an apocalypse for

721
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 1: certain because we yeah, they were just what get on

722
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: our boats and we'd be like, I guess we have

723
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: cats now, which is how anybody ever gets a cat,

724
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 1: and then we just bring them somewhere and be like

725
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: all right, get out and then just wreak havoc. Yep.

726
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: Just I mean maybe that's why the turkeys celebrated the

727
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: cat's death. Yea, the great destroyer has been killed, it

728
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: has been felled. Now the greater turkey demon can take

729
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: its place. It does make sense. And I think about

730
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: it that like if if you see a bunch of

731
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: anything circling a dead thing in a celebratory way, I'd

732
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: be like, oh, that's the murderer, right right. Yeah, generally speaking, yeah,

733
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: it's it's I think the turkeys were probably right, yeah, yeah,

734
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: most likely hashtag those turkeys were right. Turkeys were right?

735
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: So why do we eat turkey? Okay, smart says, I

736
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 1: know a bunch of you just said because they taste good.

737
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: But hold on, there are all sorts of animals we

738
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: eat who could be candidates for Thanksgiving dinner. Fickleness and

739
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,959
Speaker 1: human culture can shape the fates of domesticated animals, particularly

740
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: the turkey. Originally, eating turkey on holidays was likely practical.

741
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: The turkey was a large bird, enough to feed a

742
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: whole family, and slaughtering a turkey was more economical than

743
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 1: a whole cow or a chicken, who was valued for

744
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,959
Speaker 1: its eggs and more succulent meat. Ham and brined cork

745
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: was a staple, but wasn't considered special enough for a feast.

746
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: In eight President Lincoln declared Thanksgiving a national holiday, and

747
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 1: turkeys already had the honor of being the centerpiece of

748
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: the feast in American culture. Lucky then, in the twentieth century,

749
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: turkeys had become associated with the working class, so the

750
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: wealthy turned to game and beef to feel fancy. And

751
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: thanks to Charles Dickens, a Christmas Carol and Scrooge is

752
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: generous gift of a Christmas turkey. The turkey became a

753
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: popular Christmas staple. It's a Christmas miracle, but not for

754
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: the turkey. The turkeys died. When we return, we'll talk

755
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: about man's best fried friends. So did we originally domesticate

756
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: dogs to snack on them? A new study proposes that

757
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: wolves were originally domesticated, at least in part for their meat.

758
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 1: The study suggests that there was a single domestication event

759
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: and that all domesticated dogs are descendants of these wolf

760
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 1: ancestors from about fourteen thousand years ago. At these archaeological sites,

761
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 1: ancient dog bones with marks that suggested they were butchered

762
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: for their meat were found. But fortunately for our canine friends,

763
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 1: eventually we discovered that they were worth more to us

764
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 1: seated next to the table than on it. I wonder

765
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 1: sometimes when I look at my dog, I I go

766
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: to I'm going to eat you, I'm going to eat

767
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: Is that like an instinct, some kind of deep instinct?

768
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 1: I think, so, yeah, I think we know dogs are delicious.

769
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 1: Now it makes sense. The moment we discover new animal,

770
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,760
Speaker 1: I think the first thing we do is a taste test,

771
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: and then it's yeah, are they worth more as meat

772
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: or are they worth more as a pet. I think

773
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,879
Speaker 1: about this with um, like if the apocalypse happens. If

774
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: you have a dog, there's that loyalty where you're like

775
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 1: like if there's no food around, and you're like, I'm

776
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 1: not gonna eat my dog. But eventually you'd be like, man,

777
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: that dog looks pretty good. Um and the Honor Party

778
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 1: famously in their journal road after they ate their dogs

779
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 1: like it was a good dog. Yeah, it was doing

780
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: a little joke there as they stared down cannibalism and death. Yeah.

781
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: That's why I think cats tend to be like I

782
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: think as pets they have more of the power because

783
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: I think if I was faced with a situation where

784
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 1: I was darving and I had my cat, I'd be like,

785
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 1: it's hardly a meal, Like what's the point? I might

786
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 1: as well just keep it around. My My dog is

787
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: fun sized, though she would be a little snack, A

788
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: little snack yeah, but not yeah again like with a

789
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: little dog, It's like, I don't know if this is

790
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: worth it. It's interesting because I do think the smaller

791
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: smaller the dog, the more the power dynamic shifts as well,

792
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: like the dog knows like you're not going to eat me,

793
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: not even worth it, Yeah exactly. That's why they're so pushy,

794
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: like what are you gonna do about it? What are

795
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: you gonna do about it? Yeah? Yeah. So it is

796
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: interesting because when you compare dogs to pigs, you do

797
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: find that pigs are similarly intelligent to dogs, at least

798
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: domesticated pigs. Pigs are on the way they're being promoted

799
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: to pet soon, I believe. I don't know. I think

800
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: I don't think we're gonna drop our pig eating habits.

801
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I try not to eat it just

802
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: because it creeps me out thinking about because like I

803
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 1: just associated it with eating a dog. Aren't they also,

804
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 1: like I know, like they're pretty close to humans, like

805
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: in terms of like their mass and like the there.

806
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 1: Like it's not that they're like genetically close to us

807
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 1: or anything. But when I think a pig flesh, I think, like, yeah,

808
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: that's probably what a human I have heard that. I've

809
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: heard that human meat would taste like pig, but I

810
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 1: can't confirm that, having not ever eating a human. Clearly

811
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 1: I wouldn't know. I mean, I mean, come on, right,

812
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 1: you know, not even out of curiosity, not even a

813
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 1: reasonable amount of just curiosity of tasting it once come

814
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: on anyways, So domesticated pigs are quite smart and are

815
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 1: comparably intelligent to dogs. In fact, a recent study showed

816
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: that pigs are capable of understanding how mirrors work, which

817
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: I'm not even sure dogs have been able to do so.

818
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 1: So they may not know whether the image in the

819
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: mirror is of themselves, but they can triangulate their location

820
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: based on mirrors and use the mirrors to find food.

821
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: So a lot of pig intelligence is food motivated, which honestly,

822
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:13,800
Speaker 1: same same my i Q jumps up like a hundred

823
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: points when food is involved. So pigs also know how

824
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,720
Speaker 1: to deceive other pigs. So if one pig is trying

825
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: to follow another pig to find where the food is,

826
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: the pig being followed will try to throw off the

827
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: other pig from its trail, like yeah, exactly. So it's

828
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 1: incredible because first you have the first layer of the

829
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: pigs knowing to try to stake out the other pigs

830
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 1: to try to find their food stash, and then the

831
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 1: layer of like hopping in the taxi trying to lose

832
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: the other pig, you know, driving into the wrong neighborhood.

833
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: So the pig doesn't know where you live, wearing a

834
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: pig disguise, a little pig mustache like warm rattle perg. Yeah,

835
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: they're they're just not fluffy, that's the that's the problem.

836
00:50:56,280 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 1: If they became fluffy, we probably uh we would probably

837
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: stop eating them. Well, boy, do I have news for you.

838
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: There is a pig called the mangoza, which is a

839
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: pig with a wooly coat like a sheep and of

840
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 1: course not hairy like boars, which are no, no, not

841
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 1: coarse hair, soft fluffy wool like a sheep. Oh wow,

842
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:24,320
Speaker 1: why did that happen? That's amazing. We made it happen.

843
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: We shaped them. Did we just put the chia pet

844
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: seeds on it? Well, according to like old Europeans, we

845
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: would have cross bread it with a sheep, because god,

846
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:36,919
Speaker 1: they were so dumb, like, oh, it's got wool. Most

847
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: have been crossbread with a sheep. Anyways, I mean, honestly,

848
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 1: I don't want you about animals. If I was just

849
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: like left in a vacuum and saw that thing, I'd

850
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: be like, I don't know, I guess it had sex

851
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,280
Speaker 1: with a sheep. Well, you know I can actually Okay,

852
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,359
Speaker 1: so a pig and a sheep I could conceive as

853
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: like an a sixteen hundreds European of believing that. But

854
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:02,280
Speaker 1: but the earlier example of the chicken and the rabbit,

855
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 1: I would have a Rabbits can't do eggs, so I'm

856
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: not sure. It's also like, there's no way you'd get

857
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: those two to mate. They would just try to kill

858
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: each other. Yeah. Yeah, So these are a Hungarian breed

859
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 1: of domesticated pig. They've gone out of fashion since they

860
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,879
Speaker 1: provide really lean meat, and they have been replaced by

861
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 1: more modern domesticated pigs on the meat production side of things,

862
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: but they are still reared as a specialty pig, fun

863
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:37,720
Speaker 1: furry friend of ours to pretend we don't eat some populations.

864
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: Good news. They have gone feral in the Serbian wetlands

865
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: and they are breeding with wild boars, meaning that we

866
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: could have some wild, wooly wild boars in the future. No,

867
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: look like they look like wigs, wigs. They look at

868
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: pigs with pigs with wigs, with wigs with those fancy

869
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: like Victorian Oh yeah, like the Judge wigs or the

870
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 1: Victorian wigs, or the French those French powdered wigs. Yes,

871
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 1: I do. I do say they're like pigs in a

872
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 1: monty pythons let the meat cake. So speaking of wild boars,

873
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 1: Farrell Hawk, I know this is a Dave's pet issue.

874
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 1: I've done a lot of research. Have you heard of

875
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 1: the Ferrell hogs that found and destroyed a cash of cocaine?

876
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 1: Worth happened? That just happened. And we're learning about our cocaine,

877
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: which is as humanity, that's our secret weapon. Yes, cocaine

878
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: was always are that the sort of like when the

879
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,879
Speaker 1: penny drops, at least we have cocaine top card. Yeah. Yeah,

880
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: if the aliens come and we really got we really

881
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 1: got a focus and like fight them, We're like, all right,

882
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:55,839
Speaker 1: everybody do cocaine. The aliens do some kind of tabulation

883
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: of like their their fight want is at only T

884
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: and then we do cocaine. It's like, oh no, it

885
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:07,439
Speaker 1: is off the charts, aboard, aboard, so many new screenplays. Yes,

886
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: these Ferreal hogs found cocaine that was hidden in the

887
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 1: Italian woods, and a wire chap on drug dealers caught

888
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 1: them complaining about Ferrell hogs destroying their product. Wonderful. I

889
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: just love that they're listening to this Hawaire tap like, man,

890
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:29,439
Speaker 1: those those Ferreal hogs twenty two thousand, just down the drain,

891
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 1: will down the hog, really down the hog. I wonder,

892
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 1: it's an interesting The hogs are just like I just

893
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 1: want to clean everything. Everything got gotta clean. Get a

894
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 1: clean man. This forest is dirty. Wow, No one knows

895
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:48,919
Speaker 1: how many pineheals around want account, want account. So yeah,

896
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 1: now Ferrell hogs have a taste for cocaine. They have beautiful,

897
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:56,399
Speaker 1: luscious wooly coats. They're basically becoming Hollywood. They are. They

898
00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: really are just gonna give them some fancy glasses, fancy

899
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 1: glasses and and like designer shoes, and then suddenly they're like,

900
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:08,399
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, they're there. They've made it. Yeah. Now

901
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,720
Speaker 1: I want to talk about actual sheep called the ancon

902
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 1: sheep or also known as the otter sheep, which is

903
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 1: it's a sheep with dwarf is m basically so otters.

904
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:23,360
Speaker 1: By the way, we really need to start domesticating them.

905
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 1: There's a little off topic, but I think, like otters

906
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: and seals, I think they're ready. I think they want to.

907
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 1: Are they ready? Are they ready to be? Have us

908
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 1: shape their bones with our godlike powers unnatural selections. You

909
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:39,239
Speaker 1: watch those videos of like seals like getting attacked by

910
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 1: killer killer whales and jumping out onto the boat like

911
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 1: hey please, like I think that. I think if we

912
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: took one home, they'd be like, all right, this is cool,

913
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 1: this is easier cool. And they crap everywhere and bite you. Ye,

914
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: I mean sure, that's when my cat does. Sounds like

915
00:55:56,160 --> 00:56:00,359
Speaker 1: my dog too. So that's the little little guy. They

916
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:04,799
Speaker 1: got little stubb legs and they are now they're not

917
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 1: an actual new species of sheep. They're just it's a

918
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 1: sheep that basically was descended all from one mutant sheep,

919
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 1: and they have dwarf is um, so they have shorter legs.

920
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 1: That connective tissue isn't. There's a mutation in their jeans

921
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 1: that just gives them that shorter skeletal structure. When you

922
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 1: say one, it was like one little horny sheep, one

923
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: little horny sheep at necessarily especially horny. It was just

924
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:33,800
Speaker 1: one sheep. And then a farmer saw this little stubby

925
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 1: like sheep was like, not sheep can't clamb fences. Well,

926
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 1: we're going to breathe that sheep. That is the that's

927
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: the weirdest revelation I've had about this stuff. Is I

928
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,840
Speaker 1: looked into my cat breed, which is an American Bombay,

929
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 1: And that's just one lady in the thirties who was like,

930
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 1: I wanted to make little panthers. And it's like, okay,

931
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 1: like I have had seven husbands, but have I haven't

932
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: had a tiny panther. It's like ground zero these these, Yeah,

933
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 1: it is. It is weird how one human has the

934
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 1: power to craft a new misshape and animal and then

935
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:14,760
Speaker 1: we're all like, oh, let me get one of those. Yes,

936
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: so yeah, no, it literally the farmer that first encountered

937
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 1: the sheep was like, well, I don't have to build

938
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 1: tall fences because this sheep cannot jump over fences. No,

939
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 1: that was literally the actual story, and they actually these

940
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 1: sheep were important to Darwin because it helped him argue

941
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 1: the case for inheriting independent characteristics from parents. So it's

942
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 1: not always a blend of traits. So you have one

943
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: really tall parent and one really short parent and then

944
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: you're like medium sized. But you can have just one

945
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: trait that's inherited that wins out over the other, like

946
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 1: dominant recessive genes. Uh so yeah, it's a it's a

947
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 1: it's got stubby legs, but a big heart. So now

948
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 1: this is exciting. I want to talk to you about

949
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: swoll cows. Swoll Cows is not their real name. That's

950
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 1: the name I gave them. And they are it is

951
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 1: a species, or not a species, but a breed of

952
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: cow called the Belgian Blue, which is a mutant cow

953
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: with huge muscles. These aren't because I am aware that

954
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 1: there are Nazi cows. Have you seen those? What? There

955
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:23,919
Speaker 1: are cows that the Nazis, specifically bread that are still

956
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 1: around today and they're very they're very aggressive, like they

957
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 1: do not like people. They are Nazi cows. I don't

958
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 1: think these are the same. I'm hoping not. H I don't.

959
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 1: I will say I highly doubt that these cows hold

960
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 1: any Nazi beliefs. Yeah, I don't think the Nazi Nazis

961
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 1: cows are just well I don't know. They're very aggressive,

962
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:54,919
Speaker 1: but they have a lot of anger. No, so these

963
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 1: are these are more just like jim rat cows. So

964
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 1: look at this, Oh, look at these bro cows. They're

965
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 1: broke cows. They're completely yoked, totally swollen. They have not

966
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 1: skipped leg day, any of the leg days. Just trying

967
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 1: to tip me, bro come at me, bro trying to

968
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: tip meat, like if you milk them, just like like

969
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 1: monster energy drink. I mean you're looking at a male

970
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 1: so if you try milking. So the their breed of

971
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 1: beef cattle that has been selected for mutations that give

972
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: the massive muscles. It's called double muscl ng similar to

973
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 1: what I talked about with the broiler chicken. The calves

974
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 1: are so the babies the calves are so large. Farmers

975
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 1: have to perform cesarean sections on the mother cows to

976
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 1: get these monster babies out of the mother. Having a

977
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 1: small baby, Oh god, just the baby comes out with

978
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: huge muscles is like, yes, hello, mother, I desire a

979
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 1: mel feed me mouth and protein powder. Mother. It's a

980
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,479
Speaker 1: little disturbing. It's a real problem. I know. They're also

981
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 1: doing this to pigs. Yeah. I don't know why we

982
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 1: would ever give animals that were like farming and eating

983
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: the ability to you know, we're sets of our own destruction.

984
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 1: I gotta say we kind of deserve it. Yeah, we're

985
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 1: gonna be like we design these swull guns like cows

986
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 1: that also like we give them blade like blades sticking

987
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 1: out of their horns, the ability to breathe, fire something. Yeah,

988
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 1: these cows are just it's muscles upon muscles upon muscles,

989
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 1: and they look like body You know how body builders

990
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 1: much respect to their passion in their hobby, but they do.

991
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 1: It is sometimes a little unnerving how many muscles can

992
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 1: get on a human body. It's like this. But cows, why,

993
01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 1: oh my god, look at the butt. It looks uncomfortably swell.

994
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 1: It looks uncomfortably large. And the what's interesting about these is,

995
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 1: like I think, to show off how musclely they are,

996
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 1: they shave some of the cow, but not all of

997
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 1: the cow because they need some sort of like a

998
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 1: poodle where they need some of the fur to stay warm.

999
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 1: But they just shave the butt and specifics. Right. If

1000
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 1: you've ever seen the famous flop League of Extraordinary Gentlemen,

1001
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 1: the Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde, when he takes the

1002
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 1: potion turned into mister Hyde, there's a henchman that takes

1003
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 1: like a bunch of the potion and he becomes comfortably swollen. Yes, yes,

1004
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 1: and that's what I'm I'm looking at. Yeah, it is.

1005
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 1: It is definitely. I mean, yeah, there's a lot of

1006
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 1: a lot of steroid use that I know can give

1007
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 1: give that look. But also I think something that happens

1008
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 1: now is like implants that you know, give you fake

1009
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 1: like in large or like like injecting um something like

1010
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 1: silkne into the muscle, which is not I wouldn't necessarily recommend,

1011
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 1: but yeah it is. It looks it looks like they're

1012
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 1: about to explode into meat with cows. Why are we

1013
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 1: doing that? Because our muscles delicious? What we muscles? Muscles?

1014
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 1: I mean it's muscles and fat essentially. Okay, So I

1015
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 1: like the idea of asking a farmer where they're doing

1016
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 1: and they're like, because I think it's funny. We were

1017
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 1: bored when we were like, we do we make the

1018
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 1: cow really like muscular the cows It's like, well, the

1019
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 1: cows were bored, so we got them lifting set, we

1020
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 1: got them a bow flex. They got really into it. Yeah,

1021
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 1: just a cow hunched over like, uh, they can weigh

1022
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 1: so the steer can The male cows can weigh just

1023
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 1: under three thousand pounds. Normal steer away about two thousand,

1024
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 1: four hundred pounds, So that's significant. So the last animal

1025
01:02:55,800 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 1: I want to talk about is the well. It's called

1026
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 1: the Damascus goat. It's also known as the Aleppo goat,

1027
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 1: and it is well. So it's it's it's weirdo goats

1028
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 1: who have been selected for bizarre facial features. So it's

1029
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 1: from Syria, Cyprus and Lebanon. And let me get you

1030
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 1: a good picture. Here's one of these bad boys. Where

1031
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 1: what are we doing there? What's uh, what's the point

1032
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 1: of that? I look like a Star Wars creature? They

1033
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 1: do look like a Star Wars, So I don't. I think.

1034
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 1: I think that the facial feature, it's specifically bred for

1035
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 1: these facial features, kind of for the sake of it.

1036
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 1: I think they do. They do have a really impressive

1037
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 1: milk production ability, but I think it was so I

1038
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 1: think part of it may be just a side effect

1039
01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 1: of breeding them for specific traits like milk production that

1040
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 1: just caused this crazy face to come about. But I

1041
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 1: do think that now they're kind of maybe leaning into it. Right.

1042
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 1: It probably started with someone like, look, if you want

1043
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 1: the best milk production, that's your goat, and they're just like, yeah,

1044
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 1: but what's wrong with it? And it's like nothing. In fact,

1045
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 1: we're going to make it more that way. I think

1046
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 1: that's what happened. So it's it started out being like, huh,

1047
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 1: that's interesting, let's let's lean into this look you gotta,

1048
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 1: which I mean I think is correct in terms of fashion,

1049
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Speaker 1: like you do have to fully embrace a bold look

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Speaker 1: like a like a bold culture or a statement piece.

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Speaker 1: You really have to go fully on it. On the

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Speaker 1: genetic level for a goat, It's an interesting they could

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Speaker 1: choice we make as humans are people listening. They could

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Speaker 1: legitimately sell those to Disney to have in a Star War.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that these are star Wars. Yeah, like you'd see

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Speaker 1: it in a Star Wars and you'd be like, oh,

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Speaker 1: that's a cool creature effect. Interestingly, the kids, so they

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Speaker 1: the young goats, do not look so demonic and horrible.

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Speaker 1: Let me let me describe it, because I think we've

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Speaker 1: gone this whole time without actually describing what it looks

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Speaker 1: like they have. Well what would you say? So they

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Speaker 1: have a huge forehead that it's faces the shape of

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Speaker 1: a square and under bite it looks I seem bigger,

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Speaker 1: but maybe not. The eyes are almost displaced, I guess

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Speaker 1: because of the massive square forehead head, Yeah, like a

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Speaker 1: fish head. Or if you how would you describe, like,

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Speaker 1: what's just imagine an abomination like close your eyes, take

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Speaker 1: a goat but smush its face into the shape of

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Speaker 1: a loaf of bread. Yes, that's it. Yeah, that's what

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Speaker 1: it looks like. And actually the kids, so the immature

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Speaker 1: goats are quite cute. They have really long ears and

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Speaker 1: adorable little faces, which is good because if they had

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Speaker 1: these bread shaped faces, they probably couldn't nurse, they couldn't

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Speaker 1: drink milk from their mother's It's only until after they

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Speaker 1: hit puberty that they turn into bread face. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: that's we did that. Why did we do it just,

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Speaker 1: oh right, just for the milk or whatever? Well, no,

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Speaker 1: I think it was. It started out because we were

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Speaker 1: trying to get milk or meat, and then it just

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Speaker 1: turned into like, wow, look what we can do. Let's

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Speaker 1: do it even more, let's make it even more. So

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Speaker 1: I think we've I think we're just we're learning how

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Speaker 1: to be little angry demigods and we've got to understand

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Speaker 1: this power better. No one's stopping us. No one is

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Speaker 1: stopping us. Though. Hopefully those swoll cows and pigs are

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Speaker 1: gonna realize their power at some point and they're going

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Speaker 1: to be like, it's our turn, it's our time. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to change your face. I'm going to change

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Speaker 1: your faces through through selective breeding, not with my fists. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that that's our future. We're asking for it, we really are. Congratulations, humans,

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Speaker 1: we have created a cow that can stop us, which

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Speaker 1: is actually maybe a good thing. I was about to

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Speaker 1: say considering other man made futures we have on the horizon,

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Speaker 1: like Planet of the Cows wouldn't be the worst, right right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean because while we still have on Earth at

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Speaker 1: least exactly, they probably take over and they'll be like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: we don't need any of this stuff. That's the thing.

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Speaker 1: Why do we need this? Like that's the thing about

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Speaker 1: Planet of the Apes, right, Like, sure they blew up

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Speaker 1: the Statue of liberty, sure they hunt humans for sport,

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Speaker 1: but the planet is luscious. It's still full of life.

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Speaker 1: So hey, yeah, I do want to amend this though.

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Speaker 1: Cows would be a problem because the burs the methane, right,

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Speaker 1: that is true, the assive protein powder shake fars. That's

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Speaker 1: gotta be heinous. Yeah, that's not good. You don't want

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Speaker 1: to be near that when that goes off. Well, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for joining me, Dave. Do you wanna

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Speaker 1: you got any animal stories? Get anythink of plug? I

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Speaker 1: can plug some stuff real quick. I have a podcast

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Speaker 1: believe Katie you also do this. I write for a

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Speaker 1: lovely little frolic through the world of politics, the polite

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Speaker 1: world of the polite world. If you want to feel

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Speaker 1: real good about politics, feel good, that deep down good

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Speaker 1: feeling of we're all okay, everything's going to be. This

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Speaker 1: is heavy, heavy irony. Yeah, yeah, I think that's it.

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Speaker 1: You can find us on the internet Creature feature Pod

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Speaker 1: advanced the rights of birds and the eventual Turkey domination

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Speaker 1: of the world. You'll be You'll be there, King, you're

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Speaker 1: a queen like they'll you'll be. I'd say you'll be

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Speaker 1: top pet I'll be there, token human top pet most

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Speaker 1: favored of pet humans. That's what I'm certain like. If

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Speaker 1: I get tummy rubs and some kibble, I'll be happy. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I want to do a quick shout out to Castaway Podcast,

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Speaker 1: and she had a guest on The Lovely Sarah Pasco.

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Speaker 1: She is a famous brit and she said really nice

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Speaker 1: things about our podcast. Here a Creature feature, and I

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Speaker 1: really appreciate it. And it was really nice to hear

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