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Speaker 1: The Charlie Kirk Show starts now.

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Speaker 2: For the new constitution, a new government serves all series.

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Speaker 2: This process to be determined by the Serian people themselves.

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Speaker 2: The United States will do whatever we can to support them,

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Speaker 2: including through humanitarian relief to help resource Siria after more

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Speaker 2: than a decade of war, the generation of brutality by

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Speaker 2: the solid.

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Speaker 3: Found If you know you have such potential, if you

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Speaker 3: could be just just non biased, you hurt yourself so badly.

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Speaker 3: I'm telling you. They deleted and destroyed all the evidence.

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Speaker 3: Everyone knows it, and you left it off like it

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Speaker 3: doesn't meant it now.

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Speaker 4: If I did it, deny it.

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Speaker 5: That's all I'm saying, Kristen.

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Speaker 3: If I did it, you would be standing up in

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Speaker 3: that chair shouting at me, and you know what I do,

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Speaker 3: I'd say.

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Speaker 6: You got me.

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Speaker 3: They have done something so illegal they have a committee

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Speaker 3: sworn to and because it was so bad. The only

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Speaker 3: reason they did it is because the testimony turned out

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Speaker 3: to be in favor of me, like Secret Service testified

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Speaker 3: and disputed everything. It made them into a bunch of liars,

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Speaker 3: not Secret Service. It made the people They got rid

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Speaker 3: of it because it made Nancy Pelosi, the mayor of DC.

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Speaker 3: So many people look like criminals. Natives taken advantage of

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Speaker 3: us because we would go look two things. Number one,

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Speaker 3: they take advantage of us on trade, meaning the European nations, okay,

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Speaker 3: like terrible. They don't take our cars, they don't take

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Speaker 3: our food products, they don't take anything they take. It's

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Speaker 3: a disgrace.

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Speaker 1: And on top of that we defend them.

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Speaker 3: So it's a double wheremy so, let me just I

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Speaker 3: was able to get hundreds of billions of dollars put

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Speaker 3: into NATO just by a tough attitude. I said to

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Speaker 3: the countries, I'm not going to protect you for unless

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Speaker 3: you pay, and they started paying and that amounted to

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Speaker 3: the more than six hundred billion dollars so big.

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Speaker 4: Otherwise they wouldn't even be fighting.

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Speaker 6: They wouldn't have any money to fight.

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Speaker 1: If they're paying their bills.

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Speaker 6: And if I think they're.

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Speaker 3: Doing a fair they're treating us fairly in the entes,

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Speaker 3: Absolutely I'd stay with NATO.

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Speaker 5: I want to delve into one of your signature promises

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Speaker 5: on the campaign trail, which was to end inflation to

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Speaker 5: lower prices. You are now proposing tariffs against the United

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Speaker 5: States three biggest trading partners. Economists of all stripes say

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Speaker 5: that ultimately consumers pay the price of terroists.

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Speaker 6: I don't believe.

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Speaker 5: Can you guarantee American families won't pay more?

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Speaker 3: I can't guarantee anything. I can't guarantee tomorrow. But I

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Speaker 3: can say that if you look at my just pre COVID,

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Speaker 3: we had the greatest economy in the history of our country.

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Speaker 6: And I had a lot of tariffs of.

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Speaker 3: A lot of different company countries, but in particular China,

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Speaker 3: we took in hundreds of billions of dollars and we

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Speaker 3: had no inflation.

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Speaker 5: You've promised to end birthright citizens show on day one.

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Speaker 5: Is that still your plan?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 5: The fourteenth Amendment though, says that quote all persons born

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Speaker 5: in the United States are citizens. Can you get around

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Speaker 5: the fourteenth Amendment with this thing of.

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Speaker 3: Actually change would? Maybe you have to go back to

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Speaker 3: the people, but we have to end it.

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Speaker 5: Four million families in America who have a mixed immigration status.

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Speaker 5: So I'm talking about parents who might be here illegally,

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Speaker 5: but if the kids are here legally.

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Speaker 7: Your borders on joking about separation.

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Speaker 5: Well before, I mean, there are two aspects to this. Reporter,

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Speaker 5: is our Tom Holmes said, they can be deported together.

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Speaker 5: Is that the plan?

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Speaker 3: That way you keep the foot well. I don't want

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Speaker 3: to be breaking up families. So the only way you

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Speaker 3: don't break up the family is you keep them together,

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Speaker 3: and you have to send them all back.

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Speaker 11: Hello everybody, this is producer Blake here. You're probably not

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Speaker 11: expecting me to see you probably weren't expecting me. I

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Speaker 11: wasn't expecting me. We have some big breaking news that

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Speaker 11: just hit. If you haven't heard it yet, Marine Corps

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Speaker 11: veteran national hero, Daniel Penny is a free man. We

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Speaker 11: had some sweating last Friday when we learned that the

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Speaker 11: jury was deadlocked on the higher level charge manslaughter. The

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Speaker 11: State of New York dismissed that charge to try to

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Speaker 11: trick the jury into some sort of comprom is guilty

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Speaker 11: verdict on a lower charge of negligent homicide, and it failed.

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Speaker 11: They came in today and after just a short time deliberating,

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Speaker 11: we heard they have a unanimous verdict. Myself and a

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Speaker 11: lot of my friends thought, oh, no, are they going

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Speaker 1: And the answer is no.

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Speaker 11: They just delivered a unanimous not guilty verdict for Daniel Penny.

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Speaker 11: The State of New York's effort to ruin his life,

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Speaker 11: to put him in jail for years, if not more

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Speaker 11: than a decade, has failed. We can all celebrate today.

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Speaker 11: I think we can agree this is the biggest courtroom

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Speaker 11: win for an ordinary American since Kyle Rittenhouse a few

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Speaker 11: years ago. And we're going we're doing our best to

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Speaker 11: get a reporter who was inside the courtroom when this

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Speaker 1: Until then, do we have.

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Speaker 11: Jack, Jack, Welcome, Welcome Jack. We have Jack Posobic joining us.

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Speaker 11: Can you hear us?

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Speaker 4: I've got you, Blake.

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Speaker 1: Let's go, excellent Jack. This is a great day. This

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Speaker 1: is huge.

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Speaker 7: This is a huge moment for America.

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Speaker 12: And I want people to be very clear that this

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Speaker 12: is just four years after the George Floyd racial reckoning moment,

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Speaker 12: which Blake, I know you and Charlie have discussed so

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Speaker 12: many times. That this comes at a time where just

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Speaker 12: a couple of years ago, right, a case like this

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Speaker 12: with the racially charged overtones where people were saying, oh,

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Speaker 12: this is a white man and a black man. Where

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Speaker 12: in many instances in New York, particularly under DA, Alvin Bragg,

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Speaker 12: who is a Soros backed DA, the same guy who

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Speaker 12: going after Steve benn in this February was putting all

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Speaker 12: and said, it's a clear case of self defense.

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Speaker 7: It's an obvious case of self defense.

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Speaker 12: There was even a case last year where a guy

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Speaker 12: stabbed someone to death on the subway, and those charges

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Speaker 12: were dismissed because that was again self defense regarding a

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Speaker 12: only difference was in that case the individual was black.

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Speaker 12: In this case, the individual was white, and so he

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Speaker 12: had the book.

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Speaker 4: Thrown at him.

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Speaker 12: No, Daniel Penny, we have to understand, this is a

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Speaker 12: moment for the country. This is a moment for the

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Speaker 12: I don't want to say the movement, this is just

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Speaker 12: the mood of the country, the moment for society, a

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Speaker 12: moment where people can say, you know what, we do

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Speaker 12: want to live in a country that has rules, that

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Speaker 12: has standards. Obviously, it was a terrible situation of the

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Speaker 12: we're sick and tired of the crime. And so I

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Speaker 12: had heard last week from you know, take with a

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Speaker 12: this was on the earlier second degree manslaughter charge. Today

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Speaker 12: it was the involunt essentially involuntary manslaughter charge. They call

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Speaker 12: it something a little bit differently in New York. But Blake,

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Speaker 12: here's my question, because that for and this is more

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Speaker 12: of a legal question, because that first charge was dismissed

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Speaker 11: My understanding is, know that because they went through the

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Speaker 1: Again at this point, because.

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Speaker 11: Otherwise, you know, you could say, oh, you know, the

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Speaker 11: So I think Penny is golden on the New York

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Speaker 1: Neelie's family kee sued. Yeah, yeah, now that you say that,

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Speaker 1: I believe he probably already. I do believe that.

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Speaker 12: They've they've filed a wrongful death lawsuit against Penny in the.

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Speaker 7: Case, so walk us through. And by the way, that

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Speaker 12: And I haven't talked to anyone about this, but I

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Speaker 12: I guess what a year and a half ago when

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Speaker 7: I think it was May of twenty three.

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Speaker 12: Please make sure that you're still giving to the gibs

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Speaker 12: end go for Daniel Penny. I'll go find it and

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Speaker 12: post it on my Twitter accounts, up on x.

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Speaker 7: And across my social media's.

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Speaker 12: And while this is a great day and we're going

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Speaker 12: to talk about this, and there's a lot that's going

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Speaker 12: into this, there's been a lot that you know. It

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Speaker 12: certainly goes with the current mood of the country right

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Speaker 12: now where I think people are sick of wokeness, They're

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Speaker 12: this stuff, and more importantly, they want to get away

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Speaker 12: from crime. We want to live in place where And

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Speaker 12: Stephen Miller was at the turning point event, this incredible

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Speaker 12: turning point event in mar A Lago.

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Speaker 7: Last weekend, last Saturday night.

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Speaker 12: I know Charlie was in rare Form that night, and

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Speaker 12: it was an incredible celebration, and Stephen Miller got up

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Speaker 13: Terrence Bates. We begin this morning with breaking news. Former

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Speaker 1: We're covering the breaking news. Daniel Penny.

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Speaker 11: Acquitted, going free, great day for all Americans. Other breaking

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Speaker 11: Well there we are all right. Welcome Joe, thank you

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Speaker 11: So you were covering the entire trial. So let's get

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Speaker 4: Absolutely? Yes, very high emotions.

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Speaker 11: You know, we obviously it was very viral when rittenhouse

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Speaker 15: Right, they were they actually rushed out of the out

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Speaker 15: That was as Hawk Newsom, the founder of Black Lives

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Speaker 13: Here breaking news tops This Real America's Voice news break.

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Speaker 13: Former US marine Daniel Penny as a freeman after a

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Speaker 11: You're listening to the Charlie Kirk Show. Welcome back. This

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Speaker 11: is producer Blake. I'm taking the reins for this moment

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Speaker 11: of extreme breaking news. If you're just joining us now,

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Speaker 11: Daniel Penny has been acquitted. It's great news for pretty

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Speaker 11: much all Americans other than I guess people who want

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Speaker 11: to terrorize criminals on are terrorize innocent people on the subway.

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Speaker 11: I want to play a clip that we have. This

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Speaker 11: is the response of Jordan Neely's father to the news today.

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Speaker 11: Let's play clip number twenty.

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Speaker 8: I just want to say I missed my son.

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Speaker 6: My son didn't have to go Kubis. I didn't have

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Speaker 6: to go Kubis.

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Speaker 1: Ei though.

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Speaker 4: It hurts, really really hurts.

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Speaker 6: What are we going to do people? What's going to

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Speaker 6: happen to us? Now?

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Speaker 4: I had enough?

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Speaker 6: It is the system is rigged. Come on, people, let's

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Speaker 6: do something about this.

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Speaker 11: So it's that last line there that stands out, let's

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Speaker 11: do something about this.

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Speaker 1: And I couldn't quite make it out, but I think.

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Speaker 11: You could hear some protest chance going on in the

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Speaker 11: background as well.

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Speaker 1: Do we still have Joe with us?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, welcome back Joe.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, so yes, yes, so I'm not sure if you

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Speaker 11: could hear that, but we were just playing the clip

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Speaker 11: of Jordan Neelie's father saying, let's do something about this.

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Speaker 11: So I was wondering, you know, we ran out of

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Speaker 11: time there before the break. Could you expand a bit

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Speaker 11: on the overall.

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Speaker 1: Vibe? Did it feel menacing around the courthouse at all?

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Speaker 11: Like there was a very strong cohort of people really

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Speaker 11: brain for Daniel Penny's blood.

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Speaker 15: It's interesting that is the first time that I had

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Speaker 15: actually heard Jordan Neely's father's words, even though I was

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Speaker 15: only a few feet from him. Like his voice was

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Speaker 15: a little quieter, but he was completely drowned out by

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Speaker 15: the protesters. Uh, who are who are across the street?

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Speaker 15: I'm sitting in the courthouse now, The I mean, the

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Speaker 15: tone has been was extremely loud this morning all the

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Speaker 15: reporters had like a.

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Speaker 4: Very uh we.

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Speaker 15: Had noted that this was this was more intensity than

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Speaker 15: we've ever seen any other day of trial in terms

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Speaker 15: of UH, in terms of hearing these protesters, which we've

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Speaker 15: heard very very consistently.

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Speaker 4: UH.

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Speaker 15: Later in that later in that same press conference, you'll

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Speaker 15: hear Hawk Newsome, the founder of Black Lives Matter Greater

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Speaker 15: New York, call for UH, call for vigilantes black black

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Speaker 15: vigilantes in seemingly in response to.

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Speaker 4: How he sees Daniel Penny.

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Speaker 15: Early or Thomas Kenneff, who is the defense attorney for

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Speaker 15: Daniel Penny, UH brought up several chants that that he

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Speaker 15: interpreted as as threats specifically against the jury. Quote if

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Speaker 15: we don't get no justice, they don't get no peace.

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Speaker 10: Uh.

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Speaker 15: Ada Ran seemed to dismiss the likelihood of that if

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Speaker 15: if whether she had even going to the extent, you know,

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Speaker 15: saying that she had heard she hadn't heard any of.

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Speaker 4: The any of some of these slogans at all.

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Speaker 15: But but the judge kind of like denied the equivocation

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Speaker 15: later and and and agreed that, you know, there aren't

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Speaker 15: two sides to this.

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Speaker 11: So looking back over the course of the trial, UH,

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Speaker 11: you were able to observe the jury.

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Speaker 1: Obviously there's also a lot of experts there.

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Speaker 11: Do you have a sense maybe what proved decisive in

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Speaker 11: Newsome being able to or uh nearly being able to

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Speaker 11: win his freedom?

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Speaker 1: Is there something that really affected people?

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Speaker 15: Yeah? So, I mean there there were so there were

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Speaker 15: There are two big things right that that became issues

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Speaker 15: of focus.

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Speaker 4: One for Daniel Penny. Uh.

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Speaker 15: You know, it is the question of self defense, which

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Speaker 15: which the last indication that.

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Speaker 4: We have is that this is something that they were

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Speaker 4: that Jerry was fixated on.

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Speaker 15: And we had testimony, emotional testimony of a mother who

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Speaker 15: was like protecting her child and who had thanked uh Daniel.

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Speaker 15: There was a woman who banked Daniel Penny after the event.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 15: There were there was very like there was testimony describing,

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Speaker 15: uh that we had an expert witness going through his

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Speaker 15: psychiatric records and describing like just how scary and intimidating

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Speaker 15: it could be for somebody who's going through the psychiatric episode.

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Speaker 4: They really really tried to.

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Speaker 15: Emphasize the extent to which you know, the subway.

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Speaker 4: Passengers did or could have felt threat.

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Speaker 15: And and uh Daniel Penny in his interview with the

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Speaker 15: police says, you know, I look, I see women, I

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Speaker 15: see children, and that was his impetus. The other issue

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Speaker 15: is that, you know, the the the prosecution had to

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Speaker 15: prove the cause of death.

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Speaker 4: Was the choke hold. The defense put up this theory.

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Speaker 15: We don't know obviously how to what extent the jury

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Speaker 15: what uh you know, felt doubtful towards the prosecution's case.

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Speaker 4: But he did have.

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Speaker 15: This sickling event, an extremely rare uh event that is like,

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Speaker 15: just how rare this event is, even though people have

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Speaker 15: a single self trate. Both medical examiners, the prosecutions and

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Speaker 15: the defenses both agreed that this is an extremely rare

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Speaker 15: event that that you know, inhibited uh like the oxygen

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Speaker 15: flow to UH to Burdaneelie's cells.

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Speaker 4: And also the jury was very focused that.

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Speaker 15: The medical examiner gave up looking or thought or said

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Speaker 15: something to the extent of.

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Speaker 4: That she didn't need more information after seeing the video,

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Speaker 4: so she did.

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Speaker 15: She had toxicology reports on the way, she had she

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Speaker 15: had other information on the way, and she decided not

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Speaker 15: to move forward with it or didn't need.

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Speaker 4: It to decide the cause of death.

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Speaker 15: As the chokel which obviously many people ran away all right.

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Speaker 11: I think we're just we're getting the clip here. Yeah, let'

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Speaker 11: this is what you were just describing. I think let's

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Speaker 11: play hawk Newsome getting a little menacing after the announcement today.

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Speaker 1: Let's play clip twenty one.

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Speaker 6: We need some black visualities.

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Speaker 4: Its right.

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Speaker 6: People want to jump up and choke.

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Speaker 1: Us, Hey, kill us for being loud.

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Speaker 7: How about we do the same when they attempt to

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Speaker 7: oppress us.

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Speaker 6: I'm tired.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, wow, that was that was some volcanic rhetoric. I

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Speaker 11: think obviously that'll have a lot of people on edge.

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Speaker 11: I think what we can be hopeful for, though, is

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Speaker 11: I think what we're all hopeful for is that this

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Speaker 11: won't cause an explosion of violence or looting or anything

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Speaker 11: like that. I think what most of us would prefer

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Speaker 11: is for people to just tell them to go away

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Speaker 11: and you know, maybe he'll maybe he'll get slapped with,

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Speaker 11: you know, some sort of charges over that if it's

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Speaker 11: too inflammatory.

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Speaker 1: But a lot of this is it's just people.

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Speaker 11: It's crazy to think that four years ago everyone just

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Speaker 11: went in fear of.

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Speaker 1: This group of people.

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Speaker 11: They could get almost anyone prosecuted, thrown in jail.

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Speaker 1: They almost connect with impunity, and this.

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Speaker 11: Time they didn't get their way and a row a command,

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Speaker 11: and innocent man is going free.

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Speaker 1: And I know, I.

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Speaker 11: Know I'm celebrating. I guess I don't. You know, you're

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Speaker 11: a reporter. I don't want to expect you to celebrate

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Speaker 11: off the cuff. But uh, I think this was the

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Speaker 11: right outcome in the case. And I know a lot

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Speaker 11: of people were following this, and it's glad. It's good

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Speaker 11: to see that people didn't get the tunnel vision of

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Speaker 11: thinking that the protesters who were right outside, who you know,

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Speaker 11: were not going to work that day and we're just

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Speaker 11: coming into protest during the trial, that they were not

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Speaker 11: the mob that would just get its way. Any other

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Speaker 11: thoughts on the case, I mean, you've been you've been

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Speaker 11: following it longer than just about anyone.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean, I guess the biggest thing is that

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Speaker 15: it's not over yet. We have we have potentially the

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Speaker 15: civil trial. If you were Paul Bernie Getz, you know,

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Speaker 15: he was acquitted, but then had this major civil trial

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Speaker 15: afterwards in which a judgment.

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Speaker 4: Was levied against him tens of millions of dollars.

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Speaker 15: Apparently he's uh, his his lively, it is still affected

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Speaker 15: by this. So you know this is This is certainly

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Speaker 15: a victory for Daniel Penny, but it's.

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Speaker 4: Not the end of the road.

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Speaker 15: And it's also not the end of the road in

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Speaker 15: terms of the public reaction in the days after the

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Speaker 15: the original lack of charges against Penny, and there were

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Speaker 15: the protests following. You know, we're uh, you know, protesters

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Speaker 15: had been arrested with accusations.

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Speaker 4: Of like throwing molotov cocktails and such.

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Speaker 15: In fact that that hearing was during this trial, So

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Speaker 15: the story is certainly not.

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Speaker 11: Thank Joe, thank you very much, and thank you for

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Speaker 11: coming on. And uh, yeah, I'm I'm just taking I'm

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Speaker 11: taking in the full extent of uh of what this

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Speaker 11: is all going to mean. And I think you're correct

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Speaker 11: that a big thing we need to focus on is

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Speaker 11: it doesn't end here. We have to obviously if you

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Speaker 11: can donate to support him, if his gives and go

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Speaker 11: I was still operating, we'll want people to support that.

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Speaker 11: And we have to make sure that we follow up

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Speaker 11: on building a world where there's not even a fear

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Speaker 11: that if you are protecting your fellow Americans when they're

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Speaker 11: in distress, when they're in danger, that you would have

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Speaker 11: to worry about this sort of punitive anarcho tyranny law

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Speaker 11: fair being levied against you. Because I'm already seeing people

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Speaker 11: say this that the damage is already done, that because

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Speaker 11: Penny had these charges brought against him, that no one

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Speaker 11: is going to step up to protect innocent people if

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Speaker 11: they see them in danger. And so we need to

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Speaker 11: make sure that we rebuild people's heroism, that we can

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Speaker 11: send the message that this is this prosecution was a

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Speaker 11: one off, it will not recur. So I think we

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Speaker 11: need to look. I don't think we should forget what

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Speaker 11: we were talking about. While this case was still underway.

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Speaker 11: There was a lot of focus on the prosecutor in

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Speaker 11: this case.

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Speaker 1: I can't have her name. That the assistance dad.

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Speaker 15: Yes, so da adopting around very interesting character.

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Speaker 11: Absolutely, yes, So you know people resurve I think actually

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Speaker 11: I think you even posted it the video where she

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Speaker 11: was gloating that she managed to get a radically reduced

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Speaker 11: sentence for a man who he murdered someone just during

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Speaker 11: a mugging at an ATM correct.

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Speaker 4: My understanding of the event. So so, Dopnie.

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Speaker 15: Iran brought the first restorative justice case in New York City.

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Speaker 15: At least that's one of her claims of fame and

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Speaker 15: the case to in which you're referring. I believe the

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Speaker 15: perpetrator stuck up an elderly professor I think it was

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Speaker 15: who was shoved over in the course of that altercation.

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Speaker 15: In the course of that robbery, he hits his head

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Speaker 15: and dies as a result of those injuries. And then

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Speaker 15: following that she she agitates for a reduced sentence. Now,

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Speaker 15: if you're interested in this, there's also another.

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Speaker 4: Case with this woman named Madeline Brain.

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Speaker 15: She spoke the R and C this year and also

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Speaker 15: testified to the House Judiciary Committee and calls out Daphnie

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Speaker 15: ran by a name or an unsatisfactory sentence along these

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Speaker 15: same lines.

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Speaker 1: All right, all right, we're just thirty seconds out.

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Speaker 11: So I think again, do you have a social media

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Speaker 11: people want to follow or a publication where people can

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Speaker 11: read your work?

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Speaker 7: Sure?

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Speaker 15: Yes, my Twitter is you can follow me on Twitter.

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Speaker 4: I'm at jbr u CJ.

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Speaker 15: I'm Joseph Bruper, and I'll be writing up on this

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Speaker 15: for I am seventeen seventy six.

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Speaker 11: Joseph, thank you very much, thanks for all of your

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Speaker 11: work covering this massive story, and thanks for coming on

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Speaker 11: the program. Thank you so much for having me We're

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Speaker 11: just we're going to keep and Charlie be back on

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Speaker 11: the show in just a moment.

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Speaker 1: But we're going to close out this case in just

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Speaker 1: a minute. Next Awakening is here.

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Speaker 11: Com Welcome back. So it's a lot of breaking law

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Speaker 11: and order news today. We've been covering the Daniel Penny

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Speaker 11: acquittal most of this hour, but also in the shooting

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Speaker 11: of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson. That was about a

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Speaker 11: week ago now, and the shooter had not been apprehended yet,

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Speaker 11: But we have breaking news this morning. A man we

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Speaker 11: don't have the name yet, but a man in Altoona,

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Speaker 11: Pennsylvania has been questioned and detained by police, and we

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Speaker 11: have a lot of information that is coming out that

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Speaker 11: strongly indicates that this is the man suspected in the killing.

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Speaker 11: I'm gonna we have some breaking video analysis I think

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Speaker 11: from TV News, and we also have some breaking reporting

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Speaker 11: from the New York Times, and I'll read through those

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Speaker 11: details after the RABS segment ends.

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Speaker 1: But big news today.

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Speaker 11: We have good news on the justice for Daniel Penny front.

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Speaker 11: He is walking free, not entirely out of the woods,

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Speaker 11: but he will not be going to prison.

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Speaker 1: That's great news.

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Speaker 11: And then we also have an arrest in this CEO

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Speaker 11: shooting in New York and some wild details there. You

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Speaker 11: guys are gonna want to hear this. We'll be back

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Speaker 11: in just a second. Welcome back. We have We have

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Speaker 11: Jack Pisobac still with us. I know he's been very

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Speaker 11: closely following this United Health CEO shooting and Jack, I

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Speaker 11: think we should just go through.

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Speaker 1: Do you see this?

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Speaker 11: A New York Times set of details that they've been

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Speaker 11: putting out about this that they've found apparently they found

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Speaker 11: a manifesto on the person of this guy. They they

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Speaker 11: caught him at an Altuna McDonald someone.

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Speaker 16: Saw thought, looks like the first thing we have to say.

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Speaker 16: The first thing we have to say is before we

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Speaker 16: get to the manifest though, before we get to the

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Speaker 16: fact that it looks like he may have still had

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Speaker 16: the weapon on him, the suppressed mod of some kind

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Speaker 16: of modified firearm, but the fact that he was caught

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Speaker 16: at a McDonald's because he couldn't.

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Speaker 7: Resist, folks. I guess he just couldn't resist.

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Speaker 12: He's on the lamb, he's got everyone in the country

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Speaker 12: looking for him, and he just he couldn't resist those fries.

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Speaker 12: He saw that Donald Trump video going around and said, man,

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Speaker 12: those fries just look a little too good when Trump

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Speaker 12: makes him. Maybe maybe I can get a little of that.

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Speaker 12: So he gets caught now, Tuona. So that's on the

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Speaker 12: way to Pittsburgh, across the midwest, northern tier of Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 12: across from New York City.

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Speaker 4: We knew that he was.

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Speaker 12: Riding buses beforehand, so that could have been.

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Speaker 7: It sounds like that's what he was what he was doing.

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Speaker 12: But yet rather than being you know, rather than having

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Speaker 12: been necessarily caught by tracking the buses. It does look

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Speaker 12: as though he was caught because a McDonald's employee at

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Speaker 12: the restaurant observed him, recognized him from the images that

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Speaker 12: we've all seen, and decided to do the right thing.

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Speaker 12: So again, very similar to the Daniel Penny situation in

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Speaker 12: a certain sense, because once again here you have a

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Speaker 12: good samaritan deciding to do the right thing and step

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Speaker 11: Yeah, and let's get the details of this stop are

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Speaker 11: pretty wild. This is CNN reporting on it. Let's play

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Speaker 17: So, Dana, this starts as a very routine day in

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Speaker 17: But an employee there looks at this person and has

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Speaker 4: Everywhere else these photos from.

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Speaker 17: The NYPD of this masked person with the hood where

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Speaker 17: person has left the city, and she believes that this

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Speaker 17: person resembles the photos that have been put out. She

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Speaker 17: calls nine to one one gets the Altoona PD. They

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Speaker 17: respond to the McDonald's. They engage this individual and as

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Speaker 17: they get him to identify himself and look through things.

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Speaker 17: They find a gun, they find a silencer, they find

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Speaker 17: multiple false IDs.

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Speaker 11: Apparently he was just going around in the same get

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Speaker 11: up he did the shooting in with all of the gear.

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Speaker 1: It's wild.

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Speaker 12: Do you remember a couple of days ago we were

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Speaker 12: doing the Thought Crime show and we were arguing with people,

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Speaker 12: and there were still people who said that they thought

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Speaker 12: that this was a professional and they said, oh, I

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Speaker 12: think this was a real, real assassin, real time hit man,

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Speaker 12: and no it was not.

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Speaker 4: This was someone who.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: And the fact that there are documents here.

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Speaker 12: Look, so the writing on the bulletshells was the first

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Speaker 12: instance that this may be something to do with a

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Speaker 12: political type motive, someone who's animated with anger and animus

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Speaker 12: towards healthcare CEOs and CEOs in general. And now we

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Speaker 7: And they're I think they're they're stopping short.

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Speaker 12: Of saying manifesto yet they're just saying manifesto like documents.

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Speaker 12: But that certainly seemed to be the rumor that's going around. Also,

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Speaker 12: I think there was one of his backpacks that was found,

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Speaker 12: that designer backpack.

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Speaker 7: By the way, all the clothes in this case, there

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Speaker 7: were some.

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Speaker 12: Memes going around saying that all the clothes and the

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Speaker 11: Everything about this is incredible, Like I mean the fact that, yeah,

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Speaker 11: like he built it himself with parts he either printed

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Speaker 11: he has multiple false IDs. Uh uh manifesto like document

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Speaker 11: like what does have to be like at least twelve

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Speaker 11: And the bastup was.

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Speaker 1: Filled with monopoly money?

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Speaker 7: Did you over the weekend?

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Speaker 12: They could they the backpack that was recovered was apparently

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Speaker 12: found it was filled with monopoly money.

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Speaker 1: So actual or like counterfeit. Well, we'll have to that.

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Speaker 7: Remains to be seen in Blake, which is going.

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Speaker 12: But no, there were so some people were speculating that perhaps,

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Speaker 12: you know, this was in regards to one of the

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Speaker 12: criticisms of this health insurance was that they have an

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Speaker 12: illegal monopoly on the market, and so perhaps this was

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Speaker 12: a again intended as a message to the case or or

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Speaker 12: just a you know, regarding money in general. But it

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Speaker 12: does seem to be shaping up that way. I'm just

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Speaker 12: saying it does seem to be shaping up that way.

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Speaker 12: We don't know for sure. There were a lot of

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Speaker 12: people who pointed that out early on, and I think

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Speaker 12: that I was one of the first people is that

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Speaker 12: I know this was not a professional assassination. One of

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Speaker 12: the biggest questions, though, I think still remains to be seen,

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Speaker 12: is how does he know.

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Speaker 4: The guy schedule? How did he know? So we'll have

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Speaker 4: to see that. A lot of stuff to look at.

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Speaker 7: By the way, I really want to look at that

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Speaker 7: Derek Chauvin case.

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Speaker 1: Do I have it was niant, It's going to be

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Speaker 1: a big case. Charlie's joining us after the break

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