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Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, Welcome to a new episode of I Saw

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Speaker 1: What You Did.

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Speaker 2: My name is Millie to Jericho.

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Speaker 3: I'm Daniel Henderson, and we're here in a new year.

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Speaker 2: Happy new Year, Danielle.

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Speaker 3: Happy New Year, Mille.

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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you a little secret. I love wishing

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Speaker 1: people a happy new year.

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Speaker 3: Me too, because I don't give a shit about the

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Speaker 3: any holidays. Yeah, so happy New Year just feels like

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Speaker 3: so pleasant and innocuous.

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Speaker 1: And also I think too, I think we're both like

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Speaker 1: pretty chill with change and.

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Speaker 2: You know, and maybe that's.

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Speaker 1: A little something we'll get into as this episode continues,

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Speaker 1: but you know, we're not afraid.

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Speaker 3: Of the new year.

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Speaker 2: We're not afraid of like starting over.

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Speaker 1: And I mean it's so strange because we're still in

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty vibe in a weird way. I would say,

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Speaker 1: you know, unless something happens in the next hour or so.

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Speaker 1: But so it's almost like you could only really figure

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Speaker 1: out what your goals will be in relation to when

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Speaker 1: life will be normal quote unquote again right, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean.

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Speaker 4: Right, And it's that's what's been really strange for me

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Speaker 4: in terms of my goals because I do have I

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Speaker 4: look forward to New Years because I do have a

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Speaker 4: set of goals that I kind of try to accomplish

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Speaker 4: every year, and I do something that I found out

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Speaker 4: about through my friend Kelly Sue Daconick like twenty years ago,

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Speaker 4: called the Uber List, and it's a list of one

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Speaker 4: hundred things that you want to accomplish that year, and

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Speaker 4: it could be anything from big to small, and you know,

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Speaker 4: anything at all that you want to accomplish. So I've

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Speaker 4: been doing that for a long time and it's the

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Speaker 4: one thing I really look forward to about the New

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Speaker 4: Years that I get to kind of sit and think

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Speaker 4: and make my list right before January first. And last

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Speaker 4: year I did my list, and you know, then the

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Speaker 4: pandemic happened, and I looked at that list like three

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Speaker 4: times since in February. So that was hard because I

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Speaker 4: feel like I usually have some kind of goals to

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Speaker 4: if I'm not doing big deal things. I finally got

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Speaker 4: lamps from my bedroom, or I finally like did this thing,

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Speaker 4: and then this year just threw all of that like

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Speaker 4: off kilter. So I'm looking forward to doing my Uber

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Speaker 4: List this year, but I think I'm going to make

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Speaker 4: it pandemic friendly, Like, I think it's okay to still

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Speaker 4: have a couple of goals, but I'm really looking forward

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Speaker 4: to having more self instruction about how I personally want

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Speaker 4: to get through this and you know, thrive a little

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Speaker 4: bit more, but also maybe relaxed about some things a

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Speaker 3: I think I need. I need a set of pandemic

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Speaker 3: instructions for sure, but.

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Speaker 1: What are.

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Speaker 3: And then I also, on January.

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Speaker 4: First of every year for the last like yeah, I

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Speaker 4: would say ten or fifteen years, I do my list

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Speaker 4: I learned the hard way that if I don't limit it,

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Speaker 4: I can just go ham and the list gets unmanageable.

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Speaker 4: But it's essentially it's not something I share publicly. It's

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Speaker 4: just for me, and it's essentially a list of five

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Speaker 4: people who I feel like or maybe pieces of shit,

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Speaker 4: or maybe they've done some done me wrong in some way,

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Speaker 4: or maybe I don't know. I just you know, don't

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Speaker 4: like them. And they're usually public figures or you know,

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Speaker 1: That was my next question was that are they people

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Speaker 1: that I would know, like, are they famous?

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Speaker 3: Is it me?

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Speaker 4: I guess maybe that's not kidding. You're on the list

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Speaker 4: every year at number one slot.

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Speaker 2: You're like, and my you know, big fuck you is

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Speaker 4: It's to make her talk to me at least once

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Speaker 4: a week.

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Speaker 3: No, it's weird.

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Speaker 4: It's like, it's usually not There's no one in my

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Speaker 3: So it's usually.

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Speaker 4: People that are like in my orbit, just like real shitty,

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Speaker 4: have done yoga, I have meditated my way and done

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Speaker 4: on to this one piece of my formerly shitty personality.

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Speaker 2: So listen.

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Speaker 1: I applaud anybody who admits things about themselves and also

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Speaker 1: just keeps tabs of people because I feel like by

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Speaker 1: I'm that person that's like, yo, I'll get in a.

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Speaker 2: Car with you, like I go to a party. I

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Speaker 2: don't care if you're a murderer, Like we're good.

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Speaker 1: And I feel like that's not a good way to

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Speaker 1: be especially now, right.

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Speaker 4: No, a list of enemies might keep you suspicious or

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Speaker 4: at least, you know, kind of watching Eagle Ian keep.

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Speaker 2: Me on my toes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I will say about the Uber list, so

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Speaker 2: I did.

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Speaker 1: I think very early on in our friendship, I did

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Speaker 1: the uber list, or you invited me because I felt

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Speaker 1: we all like shared it with each other, except for

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Speaker 1: like like you told us to, you know, make our lists,

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Speaker 1: and then if there were things that were kind of

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Speaker 1: just saying for just the task of having to write

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Speaker 4: And that's exactly what I use it for. Like I

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Speaker 4: usually break it down into categories, so I'll have things

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Speaker 4: these are. And it's like kind of what we were

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Speaker 4: of want to know more about stuff. And it's stuff

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Speaker 4: am I going to memorize to keep Alzheimer's at bay

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Speaker 4: this year? I'm also a person I have to build

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Speaker 4: in whimsy in my life because it's just not my

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Speaker 4: not meant to be restrictive, it's meant to be expansive.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm I'm glad that it works for you.

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Speaker 3: I feel like, I, yeah, what are you? What are

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 3: What are Okay?

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Speaker 1: So I guess maybe personality wise, my biggest thing I'm

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Speaker 1: when I create a list of stuff that I want

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Speaker 2: I can't do anything, Like I'm a fucking failure.

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Speaker 1: You know, why didn't I learn how to be a

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Speaker 4: So your list of enemies would just be five versions

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Speaker 4: of yourself like million nineteen eighty five milli, nineteen ninety

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Speaker 2: Yesterday, on the day before, and last week.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm very competitive with myself, which I think over

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Speaker 1: the years has made me kind of have to reassess

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Speaker 1: sort of goal setting where you will like stuff that

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: It's like when they tell you here's how to create

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Speaker 1: That you could actually achieve, you have to make it

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Speaker 2: Right, And I'm with you.

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Speaker 1: On the idea of like I feel like there's a

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Speaker 2: I'm like, nah, man, see you for like COVID two

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Speaker 1: Like we're like we're in and we're through a looking

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Speaker 4: I feel like we're gonna get through this quote unquote

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Speaker 1: In my estimation, I'm like, well, let's not get like.

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Speaker 1: weren't able to do in the past year. And I mean,

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Speaker 1: I really want to go to Yosemite the National Park,

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Speaker 2: I'm a big fan. I've been to many of them

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Speaker 1: I have a America the Beautiful Pass I just love it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, it's like probably the most patriotic thing

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Speaker 2: Like I think it's great that they exist.

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Speaker 1: It's great that, like you know, it's a place for

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Speaker 1: cost that much. And I mean, I know that Trump

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Speaker 1: feel like it's just public land and that should exist

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Speaker 1: yah place for people to like enjoy nature.

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Speaker 3: And you have to use it or lose it. It's

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Speaker 4: Totally you need to be part of it to really

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Speaker 4: help other people keep the momentum going right.

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Speaker 1: And it's that thing too where I feel like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Times by herself, I would say it's a.

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Speaker 1: Challenge for me to go somewhere like a national park

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Speaker 2: It just really.

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Speaker 1: Depends on like can people take time off, can people travel,

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Speaker 1: I keep like trying to take myself on a fortieth

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Speaker 3: Oh good, I love it.

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Speaker 4: do outdoorsy things, and I'm like, I don't really enjoy

446
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:19,520
Speaker 4: bathing suits, so I'm not going with you to the beach,

447
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,240
Speaker 4: Or I don't feel comfortable hiking because I'm not in

448
00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,879
Speaker 4: shape for like, I'm not in hiking shape, so I

449
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:27,840
Speaker 4: don't want to go. But I feel like there's lots

450
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:29,560
Speaker 4: that I can probably try on my own. Like I've

451
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:30,119
Speaker 4: never been.

452
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:31,560
Speaker 3: I've never even been in Joshua Tree.

453
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,960
Speaker 4: Like, I just don't explore here a lot because I

454
00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,439
Speaker 4: feel like so much of it is out of balance

455
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,440
Speaker 4: for me. Because the people I see taking part in

456
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,879
Speaker 4: those activities are a very specific kind of person.

457
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,960
Speaker 1: Well, listen, you think I'm out there being all free

458
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:47,840
Speaker 1: solo or.

459
00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 2: Some shit like, I am not.

460
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,199
Speaker 1: Like when it comes down to it, like going on

461
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,159
Speaker 1: a hike with me invariably means just like walking a

462
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 1: bunch yeah for sort of flat land and make it

463
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 1: that there are no rattlesnakes and.

464
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 2: Chilling the fuck out.

465
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I have been on more challenging types of things,

466
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:13,680
Speaker 1: but for the most part, just literally breathing the air

467
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,960
Speaker 1: and looking at fucking trees at animals is my jam.

468
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 1: And honestly, going to Joshua Tree is literally just smoking

469
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,320
Speaker 1: weed in an airbnb. That's what going to Josha Tree

470
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:26,960
Speaker 1: is like. And if you get out and go to

471
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,119
Speaker 1: the National Park, it's like take a few pictures. But

472
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,360
Speaker 1: they're going to Joshua Tree, that's what they're doing, okay.

473
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 4: And the pictures are all gonna be blurry because you've

474
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 4: been high for five days.

475
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:43,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then they didn't They somehow conveniently mentioned that

476
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,480
Speaker 1: they went to Palm Springs for a couple of nights

477
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 1: to stay in like a super fancy, mid century modern airbnb,

478
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 1: but then they went back to Joshua Tree to smoke

479
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 1: more weed.

480
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,359
Speaker 4: Well, I'm glad I figured out that code. Thank you

481
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 4: for helping me to try for it. Let's get the

482
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:04,640
Speaker 4: fuck out there this year. You're very inspiring. Get out

483
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:08,439
Speaker 4: there and fuck some shit up naturally like and in

484
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 4: the nature way like function up with like, Oh, we're here,

485
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 4: all right? Should we get into these movies?

486
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 2: Yep?

487
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 3: So Millie, what is our theme this week?

488
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 1: Well, we figured since it is a new year, we're

489
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 1: going to call this theme New Year, New Me.

490
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 4: And I think our choices, well, they reveal a lot

491
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 4: about us to I think that with that theme and

492
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:40,400
Speaker 4: our choices.

493
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:44,440
Speaker 3: There reveals a lot about us. Why did we want

494
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:45,119
Speaker 3: to do this theme?

495
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 1: Well, I think it was sort of being in a

496
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 1: spirit of the holiday. But also I think, going back

497
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,880
Speaker 1: to what we were saying earlier, I think that these

498
00:23:55,920 --> 00:24:01,239
Speaker 1: are movies about transformation and change and for you know,

499
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 1: for better or for worse, to be honest. And I

500
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 1: think it's interesting that both of these films are sort

501
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 1: of in the sci fi horror vein, because that maybe

502
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,679
Speaker 1: is an interesting route to take when you're thinking about

503
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 1: movies about change and transformation. And so yeah, I do

504
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 1: think there is There's going to be a lot of

505
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 1: interesting discussions today.

506
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 3: I agree. I'm very excited, and.

507
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,440
Speaker 4: You know, just show them my true colors here because

508
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 4: the movie that I picked for New Year, New Me

509
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 4: is The Fly, released in nineteen eighty six, directed by

510
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 4: David Cronenberg. There is a limit even to the imagination.

511
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:52,880
Speaker 5: Human teleportation, molecular decimation, breakdown, and reformation is inherently parching.

512
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 3: Where our greatest creations meet our deepest fears.

513
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 2: Something I wo when you went through Something Went.

514
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,400
Speaker 4: This is a movie that stars Jeff Goldbloom and Gina Davis.

515
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 4: It also stars co stars John Getz, who is a

516
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 4: great actor. If you look him up, you're going to

517
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 4: know his face. He's been in everything.

518
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:16,640
Speaker 3: He was in.

519
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 4: Zodiac, he was in Social Network, he was in Blood Simple,

520
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 4: He's done a ton of TV. But I instantly recognized

521
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 4: him as Gus from Don't Tell Mom that Babysitters Dead.

522
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 3: Yes, Yes, yes, so in this film.

523
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,919
Speaker 4: It is a remake of a nineteen fifty eight movie

524
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 4: and both are based on a short story by George Langloon,

525
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 4: and it's about a journalist and a scientist who meet

526
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 4: at a party.

527
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 3: The scientist, played by Jeff Goldbloom. His name is Seth Brundle.

528
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,439
Speaker 4: Takes her back to his lab and shows her what

529
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 4: he's working on, which is the key to teleportation, and

530
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 4: then he sends himself through his teleportation devices and shit

531
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 4: hops off, to say the least. To say the least,

532
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 4: one thing he didn't realize when he sent himself through

533
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 4: his telepods is that there was a fly in there

534
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,679
Speaker 4: with him and it combines with his genetic DNA, So,

535
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 4: you know, just a typical Friday night mixing up with

536
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 4: some fuzz. So there's there's sucking shit up, fucking shit up.

537
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 3: That's what you do, right.

538
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,919
Speaker 4: Why this movie came out in nineteen eighty six, I

539
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 4: was nine years old, and of course I saw it

540
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 4: because my grandmother saw it. But I think I think

541
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 4: we rented it on VHS like she saw it in

542
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 4: the theater, But we saw it on VHS. And there

543
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 4: are so many iconic scenes in this movie because David Cronenberg,

544
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 4: he is a real history of some gore. He directed Scanners,

545
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 4: he directed Video Droom, He directed Dead Ringers and Eastern Promises.

546
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 4: He directed Crash but the sex with Cars one, not

547
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 4: the racial issues in LA one And What's Also weird

548
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 4: about this movie is that it was produced by mel

549
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 4: Brooks just because he's like this major horror fan. So

550
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 4: it's the history of gore and horror is it's strong

551
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 4: in this movie.

552
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 3: It's strong.

553
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 4: And the makeup effects for the time, and I'm going

554
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 4: to even say now, like at the time they were

555
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 4: mind blowing, they were mind blowingly good, and the makeup it's.

556
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 2: Still pretty good. I would say, yeah, yeah, it's.

557
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 3: Still I still was grossed out when I watched this movie. Yeah,

558
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 3: you get so many different ways.

559
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 4: But Chris Wallace did the make effects and the makeup

560
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 4: artist with Stephen Depui, and then when The Fly two

561
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 4: was released in nineteen eighty nine, Wallace.

562
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 3: Was actually the director.

563
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 4: So we are going to get into this there are

564
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 4: there are so many moments of this movie that freaked

565
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,959
Speaker 4: me out as a kid, that still freaked me out

566
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 4: as an adult. But essentially, what you're doing is you're

567
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 4: watching somebody transform and it's really about like the hubris

568
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,360
Speaker 4: of man in a big way, like the like how

569
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,959
Speaker 4: dare you fuck with this shit? Because he develops Seth Brundle,

570
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 4: he developed teleportation as a way to deal with his

571
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 4: motion sickness, which is like a bridge too far, Like

572
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 4: there's a copper band you can get and just fucking

573
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 4: get in a car. You don't have to develop teleportation.

574
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,679
Speaker 4: But what's also wild is he's like, he's like this bright,

575
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 4: genius person, but he's confused by things like the concept

576
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 4: of vacations because he and Gana Davis kind of start,

577
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 4: you know, they start dating and they start a romantic

578
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 4: relationship and she's like, we should go away for the weekend,

579
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 4: and he's like, what is this a romance? Like, come on, dude,

580
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 4: you need it spelled out on a chalkboard for you

581
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 4: to understand. So he's already a weirdo, like socially in

582
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 4: total weirdo, but he starts his process. He's figured out

583
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 4: teleportation with inanimate objects, but he hasn't figured it out

584
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 4: with living items or what he likes to constantly refer

585
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 4: to and the creepy ace way possible the flesh. Oh god,

586
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 4: it makes my skin crawl every time somebody's.

587
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 2: Said, yeah, oh.

588
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 3: I haven't figured out the flesh.

589
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 4: Well, all right, maybe that's why because you're gross, you're

590
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 4: starting not in a really gross place with it. Yeah,

591
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 4: So he kind of shows Ronnie to the Genia Davis character.

592
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 4: He shows Ronnie his experiment with her on her stockings,

593
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 4: and she's like, oh, what happens when he send something

594
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 4: living through there? And he's like, I'll show you, and

595
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 4: he puts a baboon in the telepod, sends it through,

596
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 4: and again iconic scenes in this There aret least two,

597
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 4: maybe three iconic images from this film. One of them

598
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 4: is he sends his baboon through and in the haze

599
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 4: and smoke of the teleportation you just see like a

600
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 4: bloody hand hit the door screen and then like kind

601
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 4: of slide down. But then here's the thing that fucked

602
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 4: me up. The next thing he sends through is a steak.

603
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 4: Why didn't he start with the steak? And who keeps

604
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 4: giving him all these fucking baboons? Can you not start

605
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 4: with the flesh of a steak?

606
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: I mean presumably he lives in it's like a warehouse

607
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: or a loft or something like that. Yeah, it's the

608
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: baboons in this uh warehouse.

609
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,239
Speaker 4: With right, Like, how's he getting these fucking bag If

610
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 4: you come to me and you even need three baboons,

611
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be like, dude, what are you doing with

612
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 4: these baboons? Like we can't give you another babboon until

613
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 4: you tell us what's happening here, and everything about his

614
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 4: lab says you're gonna get murked, Like everything about his

615
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 4: lab is just like totally someone's getting killed in here,

616
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 4: and right now it's baboons. So then we hit Babboon

617
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 4: to electric Boogaloo and it works.

618
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 3: It works. So when Gina Davis.

619
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 4: Leaves, like when Ronnie leaves to go and talk to

620
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 4: and kind of finally break up with her ex boyfriend

621
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 4: who's also her magazine editor, who's also her stalker, because

622
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 4: you know it's the eighties, Let's just make him the

623
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 4: worst possible man we could make him. Seth Brundle works

624
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 4: himself up into a Champagne tizzy and says, fuck it,

625
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 4: I'm not going to wait to find out if the

626
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 4: second Baboon isn't really okay because he seems okay, I'm

627
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 4: going to go through myself and that's when the fly

628
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 4: crawls in there with him and he just disintegrates. Over

629
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 4: the rest of the movie. What is the worst drunk

630
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 4: decision that you've ever made? And is it comparable to

631
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 4: I'm gonna hop into telepod and merge my DNA with

632
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 4: a fly.

633
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: Once when I was drunk, I was like with my

634
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: friends and.

635
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 2: We were like, Hey, let's go check out this creepy building.

636
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: It used to be a mental hospital or whatever, And

637
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: I wore flip flops and I just was like, isn't

638
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: this place condemned? Why am I wearing open toed shoes.

639
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: That's the only, really, the only kind of bad decisions

640
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: I make after a couple drinks. So I can't even

641
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: imagine what it would be like to say, I'm gonna

642
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: just fuck with all this expensive, weird equipment that I built.

643
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 3: I mean, I.

644
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 4: Can't tell you what it would take for me to

645
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:55,959
Speaker 4: go from zero to I'm going to crawl inside some

646
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 4: scientific stuff I don't understand and just throw caution to

647
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 4: the wind. Can't do it, it, can't do it. Most

648
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 4: of my bad drunk decisions are like sexual. A lot

649
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 4: of them are like bad work decisions, like I'm fine,

650
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 4: I can write this, No you can't sober up. Let

651
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 4: me get on Twitter. Yeah oh no, but yeah, he

652
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 4: really just because she left to go break up with

653
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 4: her boyfriend. He freaked out because he's adapt he's socially adept,

654
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 4: he can't hand he's ever had a girlfriend before.

655
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 3: I'm guessing, but that's what he did.

656
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 4: So then shit pops off and it starts with a

657
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 4: couple of hairs on the back, but then it moves

658
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 4: into like you know, you're catching a fly with your

659
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 4: bare hand and your sleep, and you know you've got

660
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 4: an assortment of gymnastic moves, eating sugar by the court.

661
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 4: It rages on, It rages on, and then his body

662
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 4: starts fucking reacting in terrible ways.

663
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: So I go say, in terms of the horror movie

664
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: parts of this movie, I think what makes this movie

665
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: so effective for me, and I'm sure maybe other people

666
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: feel two is the rate.

667
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 2: At which this is all happening.

668
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: Right, So it's not as if it's not the Doctor

669
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: Jekyl mister Hyde thing where he just drinks the vial

670
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: and then like looks himself in the mirror and it's

671
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: like all the shits just starts.

672
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 2: Happening, or like the teed wolf effect or whatever.

673
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: Right, it is such a slow burn that it gives

674
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: me anxiety in a way that you can't imagine.

675
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 3: Oh, and that's the true horror, because we've all had

676
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 3: those moments of what is that thing on me?

677
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 5: Right?

678
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm guessing maybe I'm feeling too much about mysell here.

679
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:34,239
Speaker 2: No, you're not.

680
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 4: Like we've all had that moment of like, what's happening

681
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 4: with my body in some way and it's terrifying.

682
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 3: You're right.

683
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 4: The pace of this is truly terrifying because he's essentially

684
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 4: he's turning into a fly. That's the process that's happening.

685
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 4: It's not that the fly is turning into more human.

686
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 4: He is turning into a fly, and so kind of

687
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 4: you know, it mirrors the metamorphosis and you know some

688
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 4: other sci fi beats that came out of the fifties.

689
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 4: But that's what's happening, and he is going through these

690
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 4: stages in terrifying ways. The number one thing that will

691
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 4: never leave my mind from this movie is when and

692
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 4: this is how I also learned how flies eat, because

693
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 4: there is a whole couple of scenes where he pukes

694
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 4: this like white liquid out of his mouth onto the

695
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 4: food he wants to consume as he turns more and

696
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 4: more into a fly and has to eat it that

697
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 4: way because flies can't consume like solids. Let me tell

698
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 4: you that my brother and I recreated that scene with

699
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 4: milk for like two weeks after we saw it, and

700
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 4: my grandma got mad. My grandma got mad at us, Oh,

701
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 4: because we were traumatized and recreating a horrible scene. No,

702
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 4: because we were wasting milk, of course, So she's probably.

703
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 2: Like, yo, there's a lesson in this don't waste my

704
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:57,760
Speaker 2: milk lesson.

705
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 3: It's don't waste my food. I'm paying for that. And

706
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 3: it seems like also the things that are happening to

707
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 3: him in the beginning are things that seem like they

708
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 3: could be the side effects of other less terrible diseases,

709
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 3: like that fingernail scene. Can go fuck itself?

710
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 2: Yes, Oh, people talk about that like crazy.

711
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 4: And that was almost more terrifying to me than some

712
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 4: of the stuff that happened later. But it's it's just

713
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 4: a really interesting kind of movie that turns into like

714
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 4: an allegory about abortion rights and bodily autonomy somehow, But

715
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 4: it's really about the hubris of man, and you know,

716
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 4: maybe you're okay the way you are and don't fuck

717
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 4: withh it too much.

718
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: First of all, I feel like only David Cronenberg could

719
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: make a movie like this and be as good at

720
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: doing a movie like this, because you know, a lot

721
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 1: of his movies are you know what they call body

722
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: horror movies where there's always some kind of gnarrowly body

723
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: events happening to some character, and pretty much all those movies.

724
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: But to me, it's like, you're exactly right about the

725
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: Hubris portion it because you're going, oh, here's a scientist

726
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:08,280
Speaker 1: who is so obsessed with his own science, his own brain,

727
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: his own creation, he literally can't stop himself. And first

728
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: of all, I have to tell you, this movie is

729
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: like incredibly sad to me.

730
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 2: I don't know why. It is exactly as you said.

731
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: It's that idea that somebody can't stop himself and is

732
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: watching himself kind of disintegrate. But then he's also in

733
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: this relationship with this outside party, like the Geena Davis character,

734
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: and she's like she's in, like she's already in, she's

735
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: already in love with him. So she can't stop herself.

736
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 4: Either, right, And she can't save him, and she can't

737
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 4: save herself at a certain point, right, and she.

738
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: Makes the decision that I think a lot of people

739
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: you know who do not have commitment issues due which

740
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,439
Speaker 1: is that they go minute, no matter what, I don't

741
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: care if this person turns into a fucking creature like

742
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: I'm here, and so that's what makes it so intense

743
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: for me, Like this shit is intense?

744
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 3: Well, also is that like love? Is that love?

745
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 1: Really?

746
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 3: Is that what I'm missing? Because I would be out

747
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 3: of there so fucking fast?

748
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: Like the ending, I mean, I don't want to give

749
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: away the ending, but I also feel like people probably

750
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 1: know what happens in the end because it seems like

751
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: it's kind of I mean, it's just kind of a

752
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: parable or something at this point, but it's that thing

753
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: where like he fussed out of his any human form

754
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:43,760
Speaker 1: and develops those like insect backwards insect legs, and I'm like, girl,

755
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: you in it now he's legs.

756
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,720
Speaker 3: I mean, truly, what is the limit?

757
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 4: The limit does not exist for this motherfucker because I'm like,

758
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 4: when he puked on a donut and his ear fell off.

759
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 3: That's a great way to end a relationship. That is

760
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 3: a premium way to end a relationship.

761
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 4: You can sign off and nobody will think ill of you,

762
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 4: Like it is done, done, done at that point.

763
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 2: I think the reason why I'm so emotional about it

764
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,399
Speaker 2: is that it's like have I ever felt that?

765
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: Have I ever felt that intensely about romantic partner or

766
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: I'm just like, we gotta stay together. I don't care

767
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: how fucked up this is.

768
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 4: When your legs crack backwards, I don't care what the

769
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 4: fuck is happening with you.

770
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 3: I'm out.

771
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 4: There's there's nothing good happening after that point, when your

772
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 4: legs crack backwards and you start sprouting wings. I don't

773
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 4: need to stick around and see what happens. I will

774
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 4: keep you in my thoughts, in prayers and my memories. Yep,

775
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 4: and I'm out of there.

776
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 3: But it's true.

777
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,240
Speaker 4: It's like I mean, I thought that myself, like, wow,

778
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 4: she is when I was a kid. Again, like watching this,

779
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 4: my grandmother her commentary was always look at this stupid bitch.

780
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 3: Why is and she running? You know, like that's her go.

781
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 4: To get out of there, like the whole from the

782
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 4: minute she saw the hairs. My Grandma's like, get out

783
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 4: of there. Nope. This is how I learned to love

784
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 4: is from somebody who's like, get out of the run.

785
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 3: Run. So yeah, I don't know.

786
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 4: I mean, i'd like to think that I have that

787
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 4: kind of love in my heart, but I'm not sticking

788
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 4: around for you.

789
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 3: Puke on a donut and your ear falls off. I can't.

790
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 4: For so many reasons, I can't, and I have to

791
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 4: feel like that's okay.

792
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's touching that it ends the way that

793
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:33,439
Speaker 1: it does for so many reasons.

794
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 2: The ending to The Fly.

795
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: Please don't make fun of me for this, because it

796
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: was I feel miserable when that movie's over, Like I'm

797
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: just like, oh my God, like this shit is so

798
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:52,959
Speaker 1: intense and sad and fucked up and terrible that it's

799
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 1: like it feels like the ending of I mean, just

800
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 1: like a really sad children this.

801
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 2: Movie or something.

802
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I hate to even make that equation, but

803
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: it's that feeling of, like, God, what a conundrum these

804
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: people were in.

805
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 4: I am not going to make fun of you for that.

806
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 4: I think that it is a brutal ending and a

807
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,359
Speaker 4: brutal film, and I don't recommend watching it at night.

808
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 4: I think watch it during the day and have something

809
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 4: uplifting plan to do after whatever makes you smile, Have

810
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 4: something kind planned after you watch this, because you can't

811
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 4: go to bed on the back of this movie.

812
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 3: For so many reasons. But it's great.

813
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 4: I fucking love this movie, and I just it was

814
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 4: truly the first thing I thought of when we pick

815
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:37,720
Speaker 4: this theme like, oh, oh your.

816
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 3: New man, we gotta do the fly.

817
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 4: The worst and best example of you don't have to

818
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 4: be the new you Seth Brundle was so smart and

819
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 4: was going places before this, like you don't have to

820
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 4: always push it to the limit and push yourself to

821
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:54,919
Speaker 4: the max to be who you think is the better

822
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 4: version of yourself.

823
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, this isn't a movie where he decides that he's

824
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: going to pluck his eyebrow at home and that just

825
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 1: keeps going and can't stop. I mean, this is like

826
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: something completely insane, and the thought experiment of that is

827
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: really kind of a message to everybody in.

828
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 2: The new year. You're right, like, you don't have to

829
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 2: go insane.

830
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:17,760
Speaker 3: More than anything.

831
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 4: Look, it's like our grandma's always said, just don't do

832
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 4: science and a champagne dizzy.

833
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 2: Your grandma definitely said that.

834
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:34,720
Speaker 3: So it's your movie for the theme.

835
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 2: So my movie is a movie from nineteen sixty six.

836
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 1: It is called Seconds, directed by John Frankenheimer.

837
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 3: Old, bizarre, terrifying.

838
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 2: Rock Hudson in an astonishing change of pace stars in Seconds.

839
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: So I just have to say, right off the bat,

840
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: the cinematographer for Seconds is my man James Wong Howe

841
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: again coming back with another Oscar per cinematography.

842
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's my man.

843
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: But also opening titles for Seconds were designed by my

844
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: other man, Saw Bass, the legendary Saw Bass.

845
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 4: I saw that in the credits, and I was like,

846
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,399
Speaker 4: what's up, fully there?

847
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 2: Love Saw Bass?

848
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 1: Google him if you don't know who we're talking about,

849
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 1: for the love of God. So Seconds was made during

850
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: like this particularly successful period for John Frankenheimer. So he

851
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: was basically a TV director. He did a lot of

852
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: those like you know in the fifties, how they had

853
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 1: those like Craft Macaroni and Cheese, Playhouse Presents something. He

854
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: was doing lots of that, But he had already directed

855
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: a handful of movies, including Birdman of Alcatraz. But then

856
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:02,760
Speaker 1: sometimes people will refer to Seconds as the last movie

857
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: in this like Paranoia Trilogy and It's with the Manchurian

858
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: Candidate and Seven Days in May, and those movies are

859
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 1: kind of more political thrillers and like kind of less

860
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: science fictionary than Seconds. But all three are great, and

861
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: I will encourage anybody to watch them if they haven't.

862
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: So a sensibly, Seconds is about a middle aged man

863
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: named Arthur Hamilton, and Arthur is bored and he's checked

864
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: out from his job at the bank and his family

865
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: and his life, and he basically just kind of sits

866
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,280
Speaker 1: around sweating all the time.

867
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 3: I don't know, Uh, my man strokes the phone when

868
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 3: that comes to that.

869
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 2: Sweat sweating like a motherfucker. And because of this, he's

870
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 2: more or less.

871
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: Prodded, I would say, into taking an incredibly hard sale

872
00:43:56,560 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: offer to join this organization which is ominous called the Company.

873
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: And the company basically tells him, hey, you can like

874
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: leave this shitty, sweaty life behind and become a quote

875
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: unquote reborn, which is their term, which basically entails that

876
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: the company will stage your death to where your body

877
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: will not be able.

878
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 2: To be identified that it's you. I think Arthur's case

879
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 2: was like a hotel fire or something like that.

880
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 1: Then they will perform this intense plastic surgery on you

881
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: to give you like a new face, a new body.

882
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: They're going to give you a new name, a new identity,

883
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: like Arthur's new name is Tony Wilson, and he just

884
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: has this completely new life. And I have to say,

885
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 1: as an added bonus for Arthur is that he comes

886
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: back to life as nineteen sixty six Rock Hudson, who

887
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: was one of the hottest men to ever live.

888
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 3: I mean, if you're.

889
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 4: Coming back and you get to choose a faith, yes,

890
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 4: if you don't choose Rock huts In, there's something deeply

891
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 4: wrong with you.

892
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 1: Eventually, Tony realizes that even with this complete freedom that

893
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,399
Speaker 1: he now has, with this like gorgeous younger man's look

894
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: and his new life, he is like a He's like

895
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 1: this cool painter who like lives on the beach in Malibu,

896
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: and he's single, he doesn't have kids, and he's got

897
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: this like new beautiful girlfriend who's played by Salome Jens

898
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: who apparently was on Star Trek. But I've never seen

899
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: Star Trek, so I don't I don't know. Just in

900
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 1: case we get some DMS, I know that she is

901
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: a Star Trek, but I don't know anything.

902
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 3: Else we know and we don't give a fuck.

903
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, okay, don't yell at me. So in spite

904
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: of all this stuff, he imagine this, he isn't happy. Still,

905
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: He's still not happy, right, and then that's when the

906
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: company really starts to like put the screws on him.

907
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 2: In a lot of these like scary fucked up ways.

908
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: Okay, so I want to put this in a little

909
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: bit of a historical context just because, Okay, so this

910
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: is nineteen sixty six. Everyone is kind of in the

911
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: middle of the whole counterculture thing, and.

912
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 2: So there's a handful of studio.

913
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: Films during this time that are all about squares who

914
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 1: are like having a reckoning with the concept of their

915
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,760
Speaker 1: personal freedom or following their bliss or whatever.

916
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 2: And of course it's mostly about men.

917
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 1: Okay, you know, I think of there's a movie that

918
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: came out I think the year before. It's called The Sandpiper,

919
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 1: with Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor, and it's like, this

920
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: is the movie, this is.

921
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 2: The era that I'm thinking of.

922
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 1: Like there's a guy in a polo shirt in shorts

923
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: that gets taken to a party on the beach with

924
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: like a bunch of bohemian people, and there's like a

925
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: free spirited woman who's like trying to get him to

926
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:01,280
Speaker 1: relax all the time, you know, And that's.

927
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 4: The tone, right, And culturally this fits in because this

928
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 4: came out in nineteen sixty six, and culturally this fits

929
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 4: in with that kind of Betty friedan second wave feminism,

930
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 4: like housewives who wanted to liberate themselves sort of sort

931
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 4: of thing.

932
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 2: Definitely.

933
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: I mean at this time, like there's a lot of

934
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: comedies about people who are like complaining about their hippie daughter,

935
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: or they're like the new hippie girlfriend of the guy

936
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: in the office or whatever. There's quite a few old

937
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,760
Speaker 1: people accidentally taking LSD movies.

938
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 2: Like it's like it's just like this pre down draper

939
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 2: ass miss.

940
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 4: And what I love about it is that's the only

941
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 4: way you're seeing people of color usually in these movies

942
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 4: is like they're the drug dealer. They're the ones having

943
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 4: fun at the party. They're putting on the record in

944
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 4: the background exactly exactly.

945
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: They're in like a low cut bikini bottom wigglin' or something.

946
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 2: Exactly.

947
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: And I will say, like seconds kind of dips into

948
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: this territory sum but I think it manages to be

949
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: way less corny and just way more terrifying maybe, which

950
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 1: I think is obviously to the credit of John Frankenheimer

951
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,839
Speaker 1: and James Wong Howe, because I think that what they

952
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:27,240
Speaker 1: did is they just kind of cooled down the lesson

953
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: of the movie. But then they also just made a

954
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 1: crazy fucking art film, which is awesome. And part of

955
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:39,760
Speaker 1: how it is effective for me is that it is shot.

956
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:41,240
Speaker 2: First of all, it's shot in black.

957
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,760
Speaker 1: And white, and you know, as we've seen with something

958
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 1: like The Honeymoon Killers, shooting a black white just kind

959
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 1: of gives it this whole like weird newsreel footage type

960
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: of thing.

961
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 2: And basically because of.

962
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: James Wong Howe, there's just tons of like really trippy,

963
00:48:56,320 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 1: unsettling camera angles, and I know that him and John

964
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: Frankenheimer experimented with like fish eye lenses, and they were

965
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 1: doing all these other things in the movie to purposely

966
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: make everything look distorted like some in some scenes, they

967
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: designed the sets to be off and they would like

968
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: mount cameras on the gurneys and the hospital and stuff.

969
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 1: And then for me, the weirdest part is that they

970
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: shot it silent because of all this experimental camera stuff

971
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: they were doing, So then they just dubbed in everything else,

972
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: like the dialogue, which to me makes it sound super

973
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: detached and artificial and freaky, and it just contributes to

974
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 1: the weirdness of it. And also I just have to

975
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: say that was an actual nose job that they filmed

976
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 1: in the scene with when Arthur first goes under the

977
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: knife and apparently it made somebody on the set pass out.

978
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 4: I can't watch that, even when like the Real Housewives

979
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 4: do it, I'm like, no, turn this off. I cannot

980
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:59,720
Speaker 4: do it. And that would look pretty intense.

981
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was. It's it's very real, and now we

982
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 2: know it was real.

983
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. I love that plastic surgery scene.

984
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 4: It has one of my favorite lines in this movie,

985
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 4: which is the Rock Housing character is all bandaged up

986
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 4: and you know, he's got little eye holes poking through

987
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 4: his bandages and he's like, oh, I think he's trying

988
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:19,839
Speaker 4: to speak, and the doctor just turns up and he goes,

989
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 4: what are you doing? I took out your vocal cords

990
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 4: and all your teeth, you fucking mourn Who do you

991
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 4: say you are? This is the company.

992
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: This isn't some you know, two bit identity changing organization.

993
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 2: Oh god, but let's okay, let's talk about Rock Hudson. Okay.

994
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 2: I would say this is easily the.

995
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: Weirdest film that he was in at this time, which

996
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: is something that I love. He was in a lot

997
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: of different types of movies in his career, but this,

998
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 1: at this particular moment, people knew him most for being

999
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: like the hunk in doors Day movies and the Douglas

1000
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 1: Cirk movies. I did an episode of Queena Longworths, you

1001
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: know from you must remember this. I did an episode

1002
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 1: of her podcast a while ago, and I think that

1003
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:17,320
Speaker 1: she called it his himbo period, which is so perfect.

1004
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 1: So that's the greatest thing about him being in seconds

1005
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 1: because like, okay, so you'll never have to sell me

1006
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: on him, right, I just love him too much, Like

1007
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: even in seconds when he's got like blood blisters under

1008
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 1: his eyes after being fucking Frankenstein, Like I still look.

1009
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:42,320
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, like you know what they have looked worse, Yeah, exactly.

1010
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 1: But you like, like in the movie as an actor,

1011
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, listen, look at this, not just a pretty

1012
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: face people. He's got chaps. He's got real chaps. He

1013
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: seems like he's.

1014
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 2: Really weighed down by on Wei, like he's feeling it.

1015
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 3: He is coming a part of the scenes one hundred percent. Yeah.

1016
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 1: You know, maybe I'm projecting my own my own analysis here,

1017
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: but you know, as we know, of course, I mean,

1018
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: he was a closeted gay man in Hollywood, and I

1019
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:18,760
Speaker 1: can't help but wonder if that like would have seeped

1020
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 1: into his performance in this movie, which is all about

1021
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 1: identity and transformation, you know, who knows.

1022
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:28,359
Speaker 4: It's like, well, there is that scene which I thought

1023
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 4: about that because I thought about, you know, what we

1024
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 4: had talked about a couple of weeks ago in terms

1025
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 4: of like the gay panic and what was kind of

1026
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 4: happening in like, you know, fifty sixty seventies in film.

1027
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 4: And there is a scene where it's a room full

1028
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 4: of men just kind of holding him down on a

1029
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 4: bed after a drunk a drunken misadventure, and he's like,

1030
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 4: why are they all staring at me? And it just

1031
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 4: felt like, knowing what I know and knowing what we

1032
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 4: know now, that scene takes on a whole different flavor

1033
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 4: in that way of like the gay panic and the

1034
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 4: identity issues and you know, the things that he must

1035
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 4: have been that he had to conceal in order to

1036
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 4: have a career.

1037
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and also I've read that he was actually drunk

1038
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: in those scenes. I mean that just kind of adds

1039
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:14,879
Speaker 1: again to maybe what you've just said, you know, might

1040
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 1: have been some real shit going on there.

1041
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 2: Who knows.

1042
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:18,879
Speaker 3: Oh wow, that's fascinating.

1043
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 2: And also this is just for me and only me.

1044
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:30,240
Speaker 1: But this movie made me realize that Rock Hudson had

1045
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 1: freckles on his back, and it made.

1046
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 2: Me absolutely crazy.

1047
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 3: I totally miss that.

1048
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 1: There's a scene where he's getting the light and it's

1049
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: shone in his face. I think it's like towards the

1050
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: end and he's got no shirt on, and I'm like,

1051
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: he has freckles on his back.

1052
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 2: I want to die.

1053
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: That is so cute and it just made me lust

1054
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: for him in a way that I never lusted before.

1055
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 4: Now let me ask you, if he had fly hairs

1056
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 4: coming out of those buckles.

1057
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 3: Not gonna lie, does the feeling remain?

1058
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 2: I would probably still hit.

1059
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, but oh good. That actually did not

1060
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 1: occur to me that we both have like back scenes,

1061
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 1: male back scenes in these movies, drunken back scenes. So

1062
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: that's what the theme should have actually been called. Oh

1063
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 1: oh my god, that's so great.

1064
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 4: I'm so glad that you chose this movie because I'd

1065
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 4: never seen it before, and this is exactly the kind

1066
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 4: of thing that I love and that I part of

1067
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 4: the reason I really wanted to do this podcast, to

1068
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 4: be honest, is that, like you recommend movies that are

1069
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 4: things I would never have seen otherwise and are so good.

1070
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 4: Like all I knew of Rock Hudson was when I

1071
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 4: was growing up is that he was one of the

1072
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 4: first prominent celebrities who had AIDS and and you know,

1073
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 4: came out and had AIDS right before he died, very sadly,

1074
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:15,720
Speaker 4: but he really put a different spin on that disease

1075
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 4: at that time, and kind of in the way that

1076
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 4: you know, Princess Diana did when she went to the

1077
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 4: hospital to visit, say kids, and to visit you know,

1078
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 4: AIDS patients. So he and his kind of last great

1079
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 4: act sort of wanted to dismantle the stigma, or at

1080
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 4: least that's how I how.

1081
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 3: I remember it.

1082
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:34,240
Speaker 4: So I knew I didn't even know of his acting

1083
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 4: before I knew of his life. And I really really

1084
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 4: love going back into these kinds of movies. This is

1085
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:42,800
Speaker 4: the kind of thing that like my granddad would have

1086
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 4: been like that's a good picture, and I'm like, yeah, whatever,

1087
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 4: old man, but like it actually is, and I don't know,

1088
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 4: I just I really appreciate being able to get this

1089
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 4: glimpse into movies that I would never watch otherwise.

1090
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:59,320
Speaker 2: And it's so good, Oh man, I'm.

1091
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 4: So that it really warms my heart that you liked it,

1092
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 4: and even like from the get go it's like him

1093
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 4: being sold into this idea was very psychological thriller and

1094
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:10,839
Speaker 4: like the friend that kind of loops him in and

1095
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 4: what happens with that story. And I will say this,

1096
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 4: if the guy who's selling you a major plastic surgery

1097
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:24,399
Speaker 4: overhaul looks like the cripkeeper, you might want to reconsider that.

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00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:25,720
Speaker 3: You might want to cut and run.

1099
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 4: You're not dipping into your own stash.

1100
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 3: I can't fuck with you.

1101
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 1: If they're not trotting out their hottest Kardashian sister as

1102
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:40,800
Speaker 1: an example, then I got time for this run.

1103
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 3: You're get out of here.

1104
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 4: So yeah, that is so talk about like a psychological thriller.

1105
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 4: You're like, wait, you're trying to tell me that I

1106
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 4: need an overhaul exactly exactly.

1107
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 1: I do think this movie is legitimately freaky, and yeah,

1108
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:58,879
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, and it's not just me having

1109
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 1: general from like all the surgeries and hospital stuff in

1110
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 1: the movie, but it's like it's that idea of being

1111
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 1: coerced into something this extreme because you're like at a

1112
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 1: low moment maybe with your life and how you look

1113
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 1: and how you're aging and all this stuff and you're

1114
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: bored as hell, and then the idea that you buy

1115
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 1: into the situation and you're this person that you want

1116
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: to be, and then you're.

1117
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 2: Not happy still.

1118
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 1: You know, yes, I have to I have to talk

1119
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: about this one scene because it is so like the

1120
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 1: scene when Tony goes back to see his old wife

1121
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 1: who thinks that Arthur is dead but.

1122
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 2: It's really Tony. I mean, that shit was so crazy.

1123
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 1: First of all, I kept thinking, Okay, who does she

1124
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 1: think he is? Because right now he is coming across

1125
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: as like Arthur's secret gay lover. Yeah. I mean basically

1126
00:57:54,920 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, is she thinking is this stranger here? And

1127
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 1: did he have like a broke back Mountain situation going

1128
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 1: on with my late husband.

1129
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 4: Because he knows a lot about the interior of my

1130
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 4: home and what used to be here and what isn't

1131
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 4: here any longer? And who were you to Arthur?

1132
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 1: But then knowing that Tony is Arthur, He's sitting there

1133
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 1: and he's noticing that she changed all the fucking decor

1134
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 1: and like throughout his paintings, Like would you not have

1135
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 1: turned over all those new couches in her house?

1136
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:34,479
Speaker 2: I would have been I mean, what a mine?

1137
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 3: Fuck.

1138
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

1139
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 4: Well, because this is again, this is part of it

1140
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 4: where like that whole second wave feminist thing where for

1141
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 4: white women where it was very centered on housewives and liberation.

1142
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 3: And as soon as he was out of her life,

1143
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 3: she was.

1144
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 4: Like fucking pace because he didn't want to have sex

1145
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 4: with her like they He even explained he was explaining

1146
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 4: his relationship.

1147
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 3: He's like, well, we're kind of companions, like we're kind.

1148
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 4: Of like friends, and she was probably feeling that too,

1149
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 4: and as soon as she had the chance, it was like, deuces,

1150
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 4: I'm gonna get a new sofa.

1151
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 1: Peace, we are redecorating, baby, Like this guy's gone yeah,

1152
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 1: but just said, you know, just that sort of science

1153
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 1: fictiony conundrum of like right, whoa, that is fucking crazy.

1154
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 3: I would have gone ape shit. I would not.

1155
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 4: I would not have been able to be in that

1156
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 4: situation and be like hmm, that's nice. By I'd been like,

1157
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 4: I'm your fucking dead husband. Did you not think I'd

1158
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 4: come back and hop this bitch I died in a

1159
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 4: hotel fire and I'm back to tell you this does

1160
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 4: not belong here.

1161
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 3: This used to be a study. Go get my paintings.

1162
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 4: What's up like I wouldn't be able to hold it

1163
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 4: in if the day comes in real life, if the

1164
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 4: day comes where they can put our brains into someone

1165
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 4: else's body, like the body has died, the flesh has died,

1166
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 4: the flesh and the brain is flesh. The brain is

1167
00:59:56,280 --> 01:00:00,120
Speaker 4: being transplanted. There's no way. I don't care if you

1168
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 4: put me in the body of like a fucking twenty

1169
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 4: three year old soccer player from Venezuela, Like I'm gonna

1170
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 4: be like, my name is Danielle Henderson.

1171
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 3: An here's what's I need immediately to make a list

1172
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 3: of enemies. I need to check my uber list. How's

1173
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 3: my cat do it? Like I am. There's no way.

1174
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 4: You can change the body all you want, But if

1175
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 4: my brain is still kicking, you can take up my

1176
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 4: vocal cords and all my teeth, and I'm still gonna

1177
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 4: find a way to tell you guess who's in here.

1178
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 3: It's me.

1179
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 1: Can't kill the inside baby, Yeah, I mean, And that

1180
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 1: I guess.

1181
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 2: Is the lesson of seconds? Really?

1182
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 3: Is that?

1183
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 1: Just like before you step into twenty twenty one to

1184
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 1: have your you know, tummy tuck or your juveiter or

1185
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 1: whatever you know, just make sure that you haven't been

1186
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 1: blackmailed into a fake death by a secret organization. Okay,

1187
01:00:56,040 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 1: do some hard research before you walk into a botox

1188
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 1: place like all willy nilly or whatever, like, know what

1189
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 1: you're dealing with.

1190
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 3: There's always a chance. There's always a chance.

1191
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 4: And on the flip side of that, even if it's

1192
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 4: not a company that is going to snatch your life

1193
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 4: away and totally transform your body, it could be that

1194
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 4: situation where that eighteen year old kid who was pretending

1195
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 4: to be a doctor, like.

1196
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 3: Just don't do it. Do your research.

1197
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 4: In general, yes, these medical folks are not out here,

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01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 4: especially in the wake of the fucking COVID nineteen. I

1199
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 4: feel like once COVID nineteen ends, I would be shocked

1200
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 4: if every single person who's part of medical personnel doesn't

1201
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 4: take a five year break, Like if we just don't

1202
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 4: have any doctors or nurses for five years, and they're like,

1203
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 4: you're on your own. If you got the vaccine, cool,

1204
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 4: If you didn't, I can't help you.

1205
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 3: I'm done.

1206
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. The only ones that will be left will be

1207
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 2: like dirty John.

1208
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 3: Absolutely, they'll be.

1209
01:01:56,040 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 2: There too, steal your anesthesia medicine, and you know that's

1210
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 2: about it. They're not there to help. They're just here

1211
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 2: for the meds.

1212
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 4: Baby, just just look. Don't don't sell your face to

1213
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 4: a company. Don't let anyone rebout your vocal cords and

1214
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 4: your teeth unless you know. I don't know if you

1215
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,919
Speaker 4: if you had a ninety four percent guarantee that you'd

1216
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 4: come out looking like Rock Hudson, would you do it?

1217
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 3: Ninety four? Yeah?

1218
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 2: I mean my number is in the low seventies. Let's

1219
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 2: get serious, Like.

1220
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 1: If I had a thirty seven percent chance of looking

1221
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 1: like Rock Hudson, like actual Rock Hudson, the band, like,

1222
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 1: not like a hot female equivalent, Like if I was

1223
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 1: going to look like Rock Hudson, I would and it

1224
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 1: was a thirty seven percent, twenty two percent chance, Maybe

1225
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 1: I do it.

1226
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 4: I love that it's dropping like thirty seven twenty two.

1227
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 4: You don't have five five percent?

1228
01:02:57,240 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 3: Why not?

1229
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm easy to get to the operating table.

1230
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 1: When it comes down to it, you're gonna.

1231
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 4: Come out with just the back freckles, and they're gonna

1232
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 4: be like, we tried our best, mister Jericho.

1233
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 2: We stuck a couple of fly hairs in there. Oh

1234
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 2: that's all.

1235
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:18,640
Speaker 4: Right, good the best. Well, I fucking love this movie.

1236
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:20,760
Speaker 4: I'm so glad you chose it, and I think for

1237
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 4: our new I think the message of our new year

1238
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 4: knew me is much like our advice for the rest

1239
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 4: of the year, which is just don't just joked. Let's

1240
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 4: read an email. We're starting out the new year, Let's

1241
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 4: read at least one. See, you guys are great and

1242
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 4: even sending us so many emails, and we wanted to

1243
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 4: take a chance to answer some of them. So we're

1244
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 4: going to have our producer, Lauren, read a couple of

1245
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 4: the emails to you, and we are going to respond.

1246
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 6: Take it away, Lauren, we have an email from B

1247
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 6: so b's backstory. They were raised on a farm in

1248
01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:00,480
Speaker 6: a very religious household, and they did not see a

1249
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 6: movie until they were in college. So be rights now

1250
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 6: to answer the question, what was the first movie I

1251
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 6: ever saw? After much debate and argument, my DOORMMTES decided

1252
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 6: that my very first movie would be drum roll Please,

1253
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 6: the Lion King. Safe and iconic. It was a breathtaking experience.

1254
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 6: Over a decade later, I still often find movies to

1255
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 6: be really fascinating and fun, but overwhelming. My brain never

1256
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 6: developed the ability to cope with all the different storylines

1257
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 6: and plot twists and soundtracks and rapid character development, et cetera,

1258
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 6: et cetera. Sometimes it's just a little too much to

1259
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 6: take in. I can't wait to hear you, two fabulous

1260
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 6: ladies share your own experiences with us and with each other,

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01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 6: and I look forward to adding many of your movie

1262
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 6: suggestions to the list. So just looking for your recommendations.

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Speaker 3: Thanks, B. I mean, what a life.

1264
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 4: I hope you're writing a book or starting a podcast

1265
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 4: or writing a movie.

1266
01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 3: I don't.

1267
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:00,480
Speaker 4: I mean, can you go from not seeing them to them?

1268
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 4: I think yes, and I think you should. This is

1269
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:09,360
Speaker 4: a great question. Thank you for sharing your life with us.

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01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:11,960
Speaker 4: I would go for I'm kind of just trying to

1271
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 4: think of movies that I saw when I was younger

1272
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 4: that still hold up. And I would recommend The Jerk

1273
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 4: because there are so many cultural references in that movie

1274
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:27,560
Speaker 4: that you will probably get once you see it, and

1275
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 4: if you watch like The Simpsons or you watch something else.

1276
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:32,480
Speaker 4: Plus it's just like it's a purely funny movie.

1277
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Speaker 1: This is such a fascinating situation because yeah, I mean, honestly, like,

1278
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 1: I am fascinated by the idea that you didn't see.

1279
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Speaker 2: The first movie saw was much later in life.

1280
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Speaker 1: I completely understand the idea that you find it hard

1281
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 1: to keep up with like the pace of new movies,

1282
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 1: because I'm obviously going to advocate for people to watch

1283
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 1: old movie not just because I work at old movies,

1284
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 1: but I actually think that older movies are edited differently,

1285
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 1: and there is something about the tempo and the pacing

1286
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 1: of older films, especially like pre sixties films, that might

1287
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 1: be a little gentler for somebody who isn't used to

1288
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:24,720
Speaker 1: the big flash edit. I call it like an MTV

1289
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 1: style of editing, and I feel like I read something

1290
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 1: recently where there is something to that effect of like

1291
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 1: kids these days that are watching television and film that

1292
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:39,000
Speaker 1: was made after a certain time are actually seeing like

1293
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 1: their eyes are moving faster because the editing is so

1294
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:45,440
Speaker 1: is so much more quick, and that they're having like

1295
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:47,840
Speaker 1: developmental problems because of it.

1296
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 2: It's just the way that things move now.

1297
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 1: They move just so much more faster and quick, and

1298
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 1: it's louder, and.

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't know.

1300
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 1: So I'm saying, if you want like a real gentle

1301
01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:01,960
Speaker 1: dip into the movie pool, well maybe start with like

1302
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:05,480
Speaker 1: a thirties or forties comedy, like a thin man or

1303
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 1: something like that. I mean, it's made in a different time,

1304
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:14,720
Speaker 1: but it's also really funny, really sweet, like just a

1305
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:20,439
Speaker 1: great film for like the screwball comedy era, but it's

1306
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:21,440
Speaker 1: like timeless.

1307
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:24,959
Speaker 2: You know, you'll love Nick and Nora. They're so they're

1308
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:25,520
Speaker 2: so great.

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01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:28,000
Speaker 3: I love that. That makes me think of ours. Nick

1310
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:29,360
Speaker 3: and Old Lace would also be a good one to

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Speaker 3: add to that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good one too. Yeah, I would say

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Speaker 1: like anything like that, even like the screwball comedy genre

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Speaker 1: of that era, which is supposed to be faster and

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Speaker 1: the jokes are quicker, it still seems like a fucking.

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Speaker 2: Glacier compared to what's out now.

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Speaker 1: Like rapid fire comedy of the thirties and forties is

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Speaker 1: not the rapid fire comedy now.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying visually especially.

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Speaker 3: So that's a great answer.

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Speaker 4: Thanks Millie, Thanks b for writing in, and thank you

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Speaker 4: for listening to our podcast even though you've never seen

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Speaker 4: a lot of the films we're talking about, Like, hopefully

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Speaker 4: this will give you more to add to your list.

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Speaker 2: Also, yeah, I love I love that you wrote in

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Speaker 2: so great. Thanks.

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Speaker 6: Okay, we have an email from Catherine. Catherine says Danielle

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Speaker 6: when you talked about your hometown of.

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Speaker 5: Warwick and hallahala halla Halla, I started both laughing and crying.

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Speaker 5: I'm from West Milford, right over the New Jersey border.

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Speaker 5: I spent a lot of time in Warwick growing up,

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Speaker 5: and still do. Your description of the strange small town

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01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 5: charm really hit home. Literally, it is such a vibe

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Speaker 5: and you absolutely nailed it. I can't wait to watch

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01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:40,879
Speaker 5: Nobody's Fool just for that, and Paul Nwman of course, Millie.

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Speaker 5: Any recommendations for a great period piece that doesn't get

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01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 5: the hype it deserves. My parents have watched a movie

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Speaker 5: every Saturday night for the past thirty five years or so,

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Speaker 5: and I would love to be able to suggest something

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Speaker 5: they haven't seen. My dad is super into history, presidents

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Speaker 5: and military specifically, and my mom loves great costume design.

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Speaker 4: Oh boy, Blos, thanks for writing in, Catherine, and look,

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Speaker 4: West Milford has an iconic image from my childhood. Right

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01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 4: West Milford has a flower shop that has the biggest

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01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:21,200
Speaker 4: sign I've ever seen of an actual sunflower wearing like

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Speaker 4: a top hat, and they painted different colors every few years.

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Speaker 4: But it is just beautiful and hilarious and I love it.

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Speaker 4: I love anyone who came from that part of the world.

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Speaker 4: So thanks for writing in.

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Speaker 1: I love that she mentioned halaala. You heard me laughing

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01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 1: when Lauren said that, but just crashed me up. When

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01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:45,919
Speaker 1: anybody has to type out our stupid episode titles, I'm.

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01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:48,920
Speaker 2: Like laughing hysterically.

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Speaker 1: So, oh my gosh, this is tough because presidents and

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Speaker 1: military is.

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't know if it's necessarily the first

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Speaker 2: thing that I go for.

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Speaker 1: So I might try to give a recommendation for the

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Speaker 1: dad that's more of the dad's vibe and then maybe

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Speaker 1: more than vibe.

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Speaker 4: Okay, you mean you can't think of a presidential military

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Speaker 4: movie that has great cost of decide?

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Speaker 2: Well, what I think.

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Speaker 1: Is great is like Liberaci's Closet. I don't know if that,

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01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:26,160
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, And there's also a lot of

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Speaker 1: like suggestions that I might give that would kind of

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Speaker 1: turn all that on its own, like you know, kind

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01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:37,600
Speaker 1: of chop and screwed versions of like history like Marie Antoinette,

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Speaker 1: like the Sofia Coppola movie.

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Speaker 3: I would ask your dad if he's seen Glory.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a one. That's one I.

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Speaker 1: Mean speaking of military though, I mean honestly, like one

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Speaker 1: of my favorite movies of all time is about World

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Speaker 1: War Two. It's this movie called The Best Years of

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01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:56,760
Speaker 1: Our Lives. I think everybody has either heard of it

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01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:58,280
Speaker 1: or maybe saw it.

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Speaker 2: With their dad or something. But it is gorgeous.

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Speaker 1: It is about, you know, three soldiers coming home from

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Speaker 1: the war and they're kind of getting reintegrated into their

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01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:17,600
Speaker 1: home lives and they have very different scenarios.

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Speaker 2: And it is incredible.

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01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:22,560
Speaker 1: It's a William Wyler movie, so it looks gorgeous.

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01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:24,800
Speaker 2: You have Frederick.

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01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:29,080
Speaker 1: Marsh who is like the most charming drunk on screen,

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01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 1: Like he's incredible, but he's also just an incredible actor.

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Speaker 1: It's a little bit long, but it also has just

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Speaker 1: a lot of like side of the times type of stuff.

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01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:40,920
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of like you know, scenes in

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Speaker 1: bars and in like dance halls and you know.

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Speaker 2: So it's a great movie.

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01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:51,920
Speaker 1: And then if you want something newer and like pretty

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01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:55,720
Speaker 1: newer and it has a historical element to it, but

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Speaker 1: it's also like great costume design, I would actually probably

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01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:01,759
Speaker 1: recommend maybe this is a little too weird, but Phantom Thread,

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01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 1: the Paul Tom Sanderson movie.

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Speaker 2: That movie is fascinating to me.

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01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:10,960
Speaker 1: I've seen it a lot, and I could really go

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01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:14,760
Speaker 1: on a tangent about it, but it is actually about

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Speaker 1: women's fashion from the fifties. It's kind of got like

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Speaker 1: it's like the Grace Kelly era, So it's a lot

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01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:25,400
Speaker 1: of like just imagine Grace Kelly, like Princess Grace, like

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Speaker 1: those types of outfits.

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01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:28,759
Speaker 2: And I think it's it would.

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01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:32,880
Speaker 1: Be an interesting period of time because it's like it's

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Speaker 1: the early fifties, so that's kind of like a period

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Speaker 1: that people they don't really make They have made movies

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Speaker 1: about the early fifties, but it's like it for me

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Speaker 1: when I saw Phantom Thread, I thought, oh, yeah, like

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01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:48,160
Speaker 1: this is like this exists. It's kind of like Downabbey

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Speaker 1: where everyone's like, oh yeah, that period that no one

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Speaker 1: ever makes period pieces about.

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Speaker 3: So that might be a suggestion again, I love that.

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01:12:57,280 --> 01:13:00,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it might be a little too psychologically, like you know,

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01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:03,559
Speaker 1: it's it's mostly about a relationship. I don't know if

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01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 1: that's if your parents are in good standing with each other.

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01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:09,960
Speaker 2: It is COVID after all, I don't look if.

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01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:13,160
Speaker 4: They've been watching a movie every Saturday for their whole marriage,

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01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:15,519
Speaker 4: and their adult daughter is writing to us they need

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01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:19,519
Speaker 4: some recommendations. And they they sound like they're strong enough

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01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:21,840
Speaker 4: to withstand a good one or a bad one or

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01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:24,400
Speaker 4: whatever comes in between. Yeah, I think they're just happy

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01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:27,000
Speaker 4: to switch it up. And I also think that, you know,

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Speaker 4: let's not forget that when it comes to movies about

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Speaker 4: good costume design, you know, and I would recommend Ernest

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01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:34,840
Speaker 4: goes to jail.

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Speaker 1: I knew you were going to say that. How did

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01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:40,880
Speaker 1: I know? I was literally going that. He was on

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Speaker 1: the tip of my tongue. I mean a great vest,

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01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:47,400
Speaker 1: a great vest, Hall of.

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Speaker 3: Fame Hess the hats alone.

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Speaker 2: Did he wear a vest in that movie? He did?

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01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:53,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, you were like a dead vest for sure.

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01:13:56,920 --> 01:14:00,160
Speaker 2: To recommendation if you have to figure that out already,

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01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:00,640
Speaker 2: But if you.

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01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:06,040
Speaker 1: Have any other questions for us, what's the email address?

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Speaker 3: Ernest? I saw what you did pod at gmail dot com.

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01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 1: Awesome and yeah we're also in these Instagram and Twitter

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01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 1: streets at I saw pod and yeah, I guess that's it.

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01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 5: Huh.

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01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:21,559
Speaker 4: We got some movies next week to recommend that you watch,

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01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:24,200
Speaker 4: because we're gonna drop a theme and some movies on you.

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01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:26,120
Speaker 2: Do you know the films? Do you want to announce them?

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01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 4: So? Next week we are watching Bronson which was released

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01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:33,320
Speaker 4: in two thousand and eight, and The Wolf of Wall Street,

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01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:35,360
Speaker 4: which was released in twenty thirteen.

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01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:39,280
Speaker 2: Oh my god, what could it be? What is the theme?

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01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:42,559
Speaker 4: You're gonna think you know, you're smart, you're smarty guessing

1448
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:44,920
Speaker 4: our themes? I gotta say, but you're gonna think you

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01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:46,280
Speaker 4: know and I don't think you know.

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01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:48,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, this might be like deep within the recesses of

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01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:51,760
Speaker 1: our fucked up minds.

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01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:54,519
Speaker 4: See we just brought you seconds and the fly for

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01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:56,519
Speaker 4: New Year, New mes, or just keep that in mind

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01:14:56,520 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 4: when you're guessing.

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01:14:57,400 --> 01:15:00,000
Speaker 1: Happy New Year, Danielle, so glad to be with you

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01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:02,719
Speaker 1: and twenty twenty one, and thanks for listening.

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01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:05,400
Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Happy New Year everyone, Happy.

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01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:11,880
Speaker 1: New Year, Millie.

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01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:15,479
Speaker 4: This has been an exactly right production. Our producer is

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01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:19,320
Speaker 4: Lauren Elizabeth Brown. Our engineers Annalise Nelson. Our social media

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01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:22,679
Speaker 4: assistant is Taren Matza. Our theme songs by Tom bry Fogel.

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01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:26,519
Speaker 4: Artwork by Garrett Ross. Our executive producers are Georgia Hartstar,

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01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:29,320
Speaker 4: Karen Co Gareth and Danielle Kramer. You can follow us

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01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:32,559
Speaker 4: on Instagram and Twitter at I saw Pod and please listen,

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01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:36,040
Speaker 4: subscribe and leave us a review on Apple Podcast stitcher

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Speaker 4: or wherever you listen