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Speaker 1: Welcome everyone to the pre Thanksgiving edition of Fair Territory.

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Speaker 1: I'm Ken Rosenthal here with my friend Alana Rizzo. We

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Speaker 1: are getting ready for the holiday. Of course, we hope

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Speaker 1: everyone is well during their travels, their preparations, and we

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Speaker 1: have still a baseball off season that is in Alana.

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Speaker 1: I would call it the formative stage.

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Speaker 2: How's that it is, Ken, good to be with you

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Speaker 2: as always, Happy Thanksgiving everybody. I would say, Ken Rosenthal,

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Speaker 2: that our sport is incomplete. It seems like all thirty

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Speaker 2: teams still have a lot of holes to fill.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Alana. And we've seen a number of moves so far,

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Speaker 1: and frankly, each of these trades that we've seen have

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Speaker 1: only led to more questions, even going back to Grayson

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Speaker 1: trade yesterday, and then of course we can talk as

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Speaker 1: well about the Brandon Nemo from Marcus Simeon trade. When

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Speaker 1: you look at the Gray acquisition by the Red Sox,

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Speaker 1: you wonder, okay, is he the number two starter that

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Speaker 1: they were talking about or are they going to do

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Speaker 1: something else. They have a lot of possibilities for that rotation,

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Speaker 1: and it looks pretty good, Frankly Crochet, Gray, Bayo, Cutter,

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Speaker 1: Crawford coming back, Connor Lee Early, Peyton Totley, all of

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Speaker 1: these guys. Patrick Sandoval perhaps, but it just seems to

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Speaker 1: me that Sonny Gray is not a number two. I

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Speaker 1: know they love his strikeouts, I know they love the

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Speaker 1: strikeout to walk all that. It's all good, but is

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Speaker 1: he that guy at thirty six? Well, I'm not sure,

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Speaker 1: but I'm sure the Red Sox are thinking about many

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Speaker 1: other things as well, upgrading their offense being one of them.

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Speaker 1: And then the Mets the Brandon Nemo trade. Now, this

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Speaker 1: was a very interesting trade in so many ways, Brandon

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Speaker 1: Nimo from Marcus Simeon, and I get what the Mets

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Speaker 1: are doing in terms of trying to shake it up,

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Speaker 1: but I question whether Brandon Nimo was the right guy

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Speaker 1: to shake it up with. I don't see him as

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Speaker 1: the problem. He's three years younger than Simeon, and while

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Speaker 1: Simeon will upgrade them defensively, they're getting him for his

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Speaker 1: ages thirty, thirty six and thirty seven season at a

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Speaker 1: time when he is in offensive decline, a two year decline,

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Speaker 1: so they have to do a lot of other things.

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Speaker 1: They've opened up a hole in left field here, and

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Speaker 1: they already have questions in centerfield. They've got the kid

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Speaker 1: Carson benj coming. Are you going to commit to him? Wow,

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Speaker 1: that's a big question. And then, as Will Salmon writes

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Speaker 1: in our notes column today it's a combined notes column,

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Speaker 1: Will myself Katie wu He says, well, Hey, the fact

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Speaker 1: that they just traded Nimo got out of his long

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Speaker 1: term deal five years left by the way, a deal

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Speaker 1: that yes, was too long to start with. Do they

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Speaker 1: really want to enter into another long term deal with

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Speaker 1: the Cody Bellinger or Kyle Tucker? And if they don't,

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Speaker 1: then how do they fill their outfield holes? So these

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Speaker 1: are just some of the questions that have arisen in

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Speaker 1: recent days with these moves. And obviously we've got a

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Speaker 1: long way to go this offseason, Alana, and a lot

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Speaker 1: more will happen. It's just as you look at these

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Speaker 1: moves right now to think there's got to be more,

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Speaker 1: and yes, there does have to be more.

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Speaker 2: And when you think of the New York Mets Kennon,

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Speaker 2: obviously with the ownership group, you don't imagine that they're

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Speaker 2: outfield or their positions that need to be filled are

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Speaker 2: going to be filled by two highly touted prospects. Maybe

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Speaker 2: one position is enough for a prospect, but two if

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Speaker 2: you're the New York Mets, I don't know that they

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Speaker 2: can put all of their thoughts in that basket.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't believe they will. And hey, they've got

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Speaker 1: some young starting pitchers too that are going to enter

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Speaker 1: the mix this year. They're not afraid of young players.

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Speaker 1: Like all teams, they want to mix in young players

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Speaker 1: to help balance the payroll. Young players give a team life.

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Speaker 1: There's many things to recommend young players. But you're right along,

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Speaker 1: and they're not going to take a team centered around

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Speaker 1: Juan Soto and Francisco Lindor and simply say, you know what,

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Speaker 1: we'll go with kids and left kids and center kids

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Speaker 1: in the rotation. Not happening. They're going to do things.

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Speaker 1: And they still have two big players out in free

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Speaker 2: Part the closer market ken and you mentioned Edwin Diaz.

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Speaker 2: I believe he headlines that market. But the outfielder market

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Speaker 2: isn't that deep. I mean you're talking about probably Kyle Tucker.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if the Mets are going to want

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Speaker 2: of Neimo's salary and Tucker figures to be three times that.

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Speaker 2: And then you have Cody Bellinger. Does he go from

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Speaker 1: I would say it's possible. I don't know that you

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Speaker 1: can ever rule anything out with Steve Cohen as your owner,

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Speaker 1: but I don't know that it's likely. And then the

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Speaker 1: question becomes, if you're not doing Tucker, if you're not

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Speaker 1: doing Bellinger, how are you going to solve this outfield

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Speaker 1: question that you have. I mentioned the prospect Carson Benjo. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's one maybe, and then you have a thin outfield

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Speaker 1: market in free agency b on those two guys Tucker

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Speaker 1: a few others, And then maybe they have a trade

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Speaker 1: in mind because they do have a number of young players.

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Speaker 1: They've built up their system really well. Maybe a trade

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Speaker 1: but I don't know for sure. It's just that they've

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Speaker 1: created a problem here by trading a long time franchise stalwart,

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Speaker 1: a guy who's extremely popular among fans and who is

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Speaker 1: still productive in decline somewhat but still productive, and here

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Speaker 1: they are looking for outfielders.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be interesting, It really is, because five

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Speaker 2: years at one hundred and two million or one hundred

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Speaker 2: and five or whatever was left on Brandon Nimo's deal

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Speaker 2: is going to be a lot less than what Cody

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Speaker 2: Bellinger or certainly what Kyle Tucker are going to garner

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Speaker 2: as far as the free agent market is concerned. Moving

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Speaker 2: from the New York Mets and the NL East to

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Speaker 2: the Brewers in the NL Central, Ken Rosenthal, Brannon Woodruff,

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Speaker 2: we know that he's gone back to the brew Crew.

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Speaker 2: Good for him, and wu is Freddy Peralta Brandon Woodroff

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Speaker 2: an automatic one two tandem for the Crew.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that I would say automatic, because the

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Speaker 1: Brewers are a team that are constantly looking to move

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Speaker 1: payroll to create payroll flexibility. But at the same time,

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Speaker 1: Will Salmon and I wrote an article I believe it

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Speaker 1: was last week after Woodriff accepted, in which we quoted

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Speaker 1: both owner Mark Attanasio and President Baseball Operations Matt Arnold

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Speaker 1: saying they are excited about the rotation and saying that

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Speaker 1: Woodriff doesn't necessarily lead to a trade of Peralta. They're

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Speaker 1: on the record saying this now things change. We all

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Speaker 1: know that you can't hold people to their words forever,

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Speaker 1: but it just seems to me trading Freddy Peralta when

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Speaker 1: you're only paying him eight million. I know it's only

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Speaker 1: in a relative sense, that would be a counter productive move.

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Speaker 1: You've got a potential rotation headed by Peralta, then with

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Speaker 1: Woodriff and Mazerowski and some others, that's potentially a real strength.

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Speaker 1: The question for the Brewer is, okay, then how do

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Speaker 1: you create that flexibility we talked about. Do you trade

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Speaker 1: a reliever like Trevor McGill You do about four million

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Speaker 1: next year, that doesn't create that much flexibility, Or and

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Speaker 1: this is the obvious solution to me here, do you

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Speaker 1: assign Brandon Woodroff to a multi year deal at a

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Speaker 1: lower average annual value than the qualifying offer number, which

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Speaker 1: was just over twenty two million, That to me seems

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Speaker 1: to be the way to go. Maybe you do Woodrof

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Speaker 1: at three years, forty five million, you take seven million

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Speaker 1: dollars off the twenty twenty sixth salary, and you go

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Speaker 1: from there. I'm not saying that's going to happen. It

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Speaker 1: just seems to me to be the most obvious solution.

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Speaker 2: Do you also deal a reliever in terms of lowering

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Speaker 2: Brandon Woodruf's aav down. Make it a multi year deal.

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Speaker 2: Do you get rid of a of a relief arm?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe you do both and that creates I don't know,

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Speaker 1: ten million, twelve million in flexibility. Again, these are hypotheticals.

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Speaker 1: I'm just throwing it out there because this is a

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Speaker 1: team that generally has to maneuver like this and tries

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Speaker 1: to maneuver like this to keep their payroll at a

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Speaker 1: certain level. They've got some offensive needs, they've got some

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Speaker 1: other needs. Bullpen actually was one. But I just don't

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Speaker 1: a team that is endlessly creative, and I expect that

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Speaker 1: we're going to see something funky from them, and I

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Speaker 1: don't expect it to be a trade of Freddie perraulta

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Speaker 1: less unless the return is just so overwhelming, and you

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Speaker 1: always have to have that caveat in any circumstance. If

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Speaker 1: a team gets overwhelmed, they'll trade any player. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Sticking in the Central, let's talk about the Saint Louis Cardinals.

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Speaker 2: Katie Wu does a great job. Of course, your colleague

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Speaker 2: with the Athletics. She wrote about it yesterday. Nolan Arnado,

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Speaker 2: ken is all but gone. But we've also been saying

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Speaker 2: that for three years. What do you think happens with Ronado?

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Speaker 2: And more importantly, Hein Bloom now attaches money to retaining

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Speaker 2: better prospects. What's going on in Saint Lois?

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Speaker 1: That was a watershed trade for them yesterday. And I

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Speaker 1: know the return is Richard Fitz and the prospect that's okay,

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Speaker 1: That's not what I'm talking out. The watershed moment was

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Speaker 1: the inclusion of twenty million in that trade to pay

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Speaker 1: down the salary of Sonny Gray make him a twenty

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Speaker 1: The Cardinals generally have not done that much in the past,

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Speaker 1: they would do it again for Ronado and maybe even

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Speaker 1: Wilson Contreras. If Wilson Contreras changes his mind and says,

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Speaker 1: you know what, we're tearing it down a bit here,

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Speaker 1: I'd like to go. And he has no trade, as

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Speaker 1: does Arnado, as did Gray, and all of that is

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Speaker 1: part of the equation here. But what the Cardinals are

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Speaker 1: I don't know that they're going to tear it all

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Speaker 1: the way down and just become a non competitive team

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Speaker 1: for three or four years. I don't necessarily expect that.

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Speaker 1: But the Sonny Gray move brought them back a major

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Speaker 1: league picture in fits, a high potential prospect with Brendan Clark.

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Speaker 1: They got some things going in this trade alone that

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Speaker 1: if I'm a Cardinals fan, I'm encouraged by it because

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Speaker 1: it was time to rip the band aid off. They've

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Speaker 1: done that. They've got a long ways to go, and Arnatto,

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Speaker 1: Sox if they don't get Bregman back. Katie listened to

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Speaker 1: a few other teams. I don't know that any is

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Speaker 1: a great possibility, but clearly they are motivated to do

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Speaker 1: some things here, and.

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Speaker 2: Man, I tell you what that is the big domino

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Speaker 2: I think as a position player can to fall. I mean,

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Speaker 2: obviously Kyle Tucker to a certain extent, but what happens

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Speaker 2: with Bregman at third base I think will constitute what

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Speaker 2: happens in a lot of other places as well. Nolan

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Speaker 2: this is a guy that's been in trade talks or

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Speaker 2: at least conversations for a number of years. Now, where

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Speaker 2: do you think, realistically Nolan ends up. Does he go

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Speaker 2: Okay, welcome back to fair Territory. Get those questions in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a big one. That's a big ask if

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I tell you what, And I don't think anybody

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Speaker 1: What's fascinating about him is that he doesn't want to

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Speaker 2: all right, Thanksgiving us tomorrow. We hope you all have

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Speaker 1: of competitor that Amaya is going to be. He said,

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Speaker 1: of course, playing together with Otaniyamamoto and Sasaki sounds like

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Speaker 1: it could be fun, but winning the World Series by

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Speaker 1: defeating a team like that is something I feel we'ld

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Speaker 1: truly have value in my life. I cannot wait for

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Speaker 1: this guy to get here. And David Bissey tweeted that

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Speaker 1: the host of Dodgers Talk, he's already trying to stoke

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Speaker 1: the fire. Perfect, let's go.

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Speaker 2: But where does this hatred? Where does this vitrol for

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Speaker 2: the Los Angeles Dodgers come from? Where does it come from?

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Speaker 1: It's a competitor. It's a guy saying, you know what,

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Speaker 1: it would be cool to take them.

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Speaker 2: Down, and to take them down. Where does he end

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Speaker 2: up to take them down? Who's going to be the

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Speaker 2: competitor that's going to take down the Dodgers.

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Speaker 1: I don't know exactly, Alanna. We're gonna find out in

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Speaker 1: free agency. But I remember Mark Messier, before the New

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Speaker 1: York Rangers won the Stanley Cup in nineteen ninety four,

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Speaker 1: said you've got to slay the dragon. Now, he was

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Speaker 1: talking about the dragon of the Rangers past and all that.

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Speaker 1: But that's what in my saying here, we want to

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Speaker 1: slay the dragon. Good luck to you, buddy, Yeah, no.

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Speaker 2: Doubt about it. It's fun. I love it. I do

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Speaker 2: think it is good for the sport, certainly for people

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Speaker 2: to want to take down the almighty Dragon. I get

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Speaker 2: that very much. Okay, time now for our dork of

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Speaker 2: the week, all right, Ken Helstein Berner, I mean it's

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Speaker 2: mine's Helsteinbrunner. I mean, I don't know how it could

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Speaker 2: be any how, it cannot be anybody's dork of the week.

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Speaker 2: You're trying to tell me that we can't assume that

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Speaker 2: the New York Yankees are profitable. I don't care, Ken Rosenthal.

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Speaker 2: If the New York Yankees go oh and one's sixty

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Speaker 2: two for the next two decades. The New York Yankees

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Speaker 2: are one of the most profitable franchises in all of sports,

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Speaker 2: Ken Rosenthal, not just our great game of baseball. This

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Speaker 2: is silly. I want to say, as you said it

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Speaker 2: on Foul Territory. Open the books, let me see, let

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Speaker 2: me see the p and L of the New York Yankees.

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Speaker 2: I guarantee you that the New York Yankees are profitable.

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Speaker 5: I would expect that the New York Yankees are doing okay.

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Speaker 5: And if hal Steimer is frustrated with the way his

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Speaker 5: finances are, he can sell them for what eight million

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Speaker 5: dollars or something. He's doing okay too, So that's a

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Speaker 5: worthy dork of the Week.

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Speaker 1: I've got something of my own and it's related to

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Speaker 1: the Yankees, and it's all the people and life actually

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Speaker 1: might have been included in this conversation, all the people

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Speaker 1: who thought Sonny Gray couldn't pitch in New York, and again,

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Speaker 1: I might have been one of them. So often I

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Speaker 1: tell fans this all the time, and I try to

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Speaker 1: be deliberate in telling people this. So often we don't

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Speaker 1: know the whole story, and we can only judge by

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Speaker 1: what we see, and that's fair and by what we hear.

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Speaker 1: But with Sonny Gray, there was more to the story,

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Speaker 1: and I heard it yesterday and then Eric Kratz alluded

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Speaker 1: to it on FT. What he said was that the

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Speaker 1: Yankees tried to change Sonny Gray. I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: get into all the d details, the sweeper, slider cutter stuff,

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Speaker 1: but they tried to change him and the Red Sox,

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Speaker 1: from what I understand it basically told Sonny Gray, you

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Speaker 1: come here, you just be yourself, and that was what

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Speaker 1: caused the problem for Sonny Gray, the difficulties he had

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Speaker 1: with pitching coach Larry Rothschild not New York. Sonny Gray

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Speaker 1: is not afraid and he showed he is not afraid.

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Speaker 1: Demonstrated it yesterday by waving his no trade clause to

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Speaker 1: go to the Boston Red Sox, another high pressure market.

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Speaker 1: He could have vetoed them. He could have just waited

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Speaker 1: until the Cardinals found a taker in a different market.

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Speaker 1: But that's not what he did. So all of us

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Speaker 1: who question Sonny Gray, hey, we're the dorks of the

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Speaker 1: week because you know what, there was more to it

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Speaker 1: than met the eye.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Twenty seventeen with the Yankees, Ken eleven starts three point

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Speaker 2: seven to two Era one point a war. Twenty eighteen

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Speaker 2: with New York twenty three starts a four to ninera

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Speaker 2: and point one war. So all right, good luck in Boston,

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Speaker 2: Sonny Gray. Another historic franchise. He's pitched for a lot

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Speaker 2: of them in his career. All right, for those of

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Speaker 2: you still with us, thanks so much on this pre

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Speaker 2: Thanksgiving show. Doctor, I don't even know how to say that,

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Speaker 2: Doctor Foo to you, Doc, I don't know. I don't

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Speaker 2: want to get myself into trouble there, So here we go.

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Speaker 2: He take her run at Bregman as a second baseman.

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Speaker 2: Apparently he was willing to move last off season. So

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Speaker 2: what do you think about the position change for him.

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Speaker 1: That's an interesting question because he was willing to move,

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Speaker 1: and in fact, when the Red Sox acquired him initially,

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Speaker 1: there was some talk of him playing second base, with

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Speaker 1: Devers staying at third. I expect, for the right deal

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Speaker 1: that Alex Bregman would be willing to move, but I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure I see an opening with a team at

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Speaker 1: second base that would necessarily justify that. Now, granted, I'm

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Speaker 1: just taking this question. I'm not looking at the entire

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Speaker 1: landscape at this moment, but it seems to me his

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Speaker 1: greater value would be a third. Could be wrong about that,

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Speaker 1: and certainly, with both him and Bob Baschett, teams can

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Speaker 1: look at those guys at a variety of positions. With Bishet,

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Speaker 1: the chances are he will move off of shortstop become

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Speaker 1: a second basement or third baseman, And with Bregman certainly

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Speaker 1: can play second or third as well. But he's still

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Speaker 1: a pretty good defensive third baseman, and if I were

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Speaker 1: a team looking at him, that's where I would want

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Speaker 1: him most. Now, if I'm a team with a deficiency

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Speaker 1: at second, I'm certainly talking to Alex Bregman and saying,

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Speaker 1: you know, what what do you think?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very interesting. All right, a baseball related to something,

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Speaker 2: Ken Rosenthal that you are thankful for as we get

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Speaker 2: ready to say goodbye here, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, Alan, I've thought about this a little bit and

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Speaker 1: I've got a surprising answer. I am thankful for Rob

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Speaker 1: Manford introducing the pitchclock because the pitchclock has transformed this sport.

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Speaker 1: It has made it a more entertaining product. It has

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Speaker 1: made it something that has become again kind of a

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Speaker 1: hot sport. And you measured that in a lot of ways,

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Speaker 1: and maybe people would say I'm overstating it, but it

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Speaker 1: definitely has changed things. It's definitely made the sport more watchable.

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Speaker 1: And that's the whole point, right, It's an entertainment product.

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Speaker 1: So kudros to Manfred and MLB for getting that done.

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Speaker 1: There were some questions about it, questions about how it

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Speaker 1: would affect the game effect perhaps injuries, but it has

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Speaker 1: been a resounding, resounding success.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so much dead time is gone thanks to that

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Speaker 2: pitch clock. I agree with you there, I'll see your

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Speaker 2: pitch clock. I will raise you. Players really embracing the WBC. Ken,

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Speaker 2: I love the WBC. I always have and I feel

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Speaker 2: like players are so much more inclined to want to

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Speaker 2: play for their country. Whether it's international players of course,

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Speaker 2: which are such a huge part of our game. It's

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Speaker 2: such a global game, but even American players are really

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Speaker 2: wanting to put on the USA jersey and play for

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Speaker 2: their country. And I think that's really special. And when

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Speaker 2: you see shohe Otani be able to pitch to Mike

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Speaker 2: Trout for the final out of the WBC, I think

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Speaker 2: that's really something that is incredibly, incredibly special. I am

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Speaker 2: thankful for you. I am thankful for our Foul Territory family. Ken,

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Speaker 2: enjoy your Thanksgiving to all of you guys. Thanks for

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Speaker 2: being here. We appreciate it. Ken happy thanks to J Right,

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Speaker 2: Yeah sure even AJ Sure? Why not have a happy

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Speaker 2: Thanksgiving everybody. Dodgers Territory returns tomorrow and Ken is back

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Speaker 2: on Monday, ten am Eastern. Have a great week, everybody.

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