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Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.

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Speaker 1: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your

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Speaker 1: favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey

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Speaker 1: and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and

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Speaker 1: Bell Collective. Every episode we recap reality television from the

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Speaker 1: Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset. In

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Speaker 1: addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or

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Speaker 1: scripted as well.

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Speaker 2: Ray draws He's back. My best team, my favorite journalist

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Speaker 2: in the world. Besides Porsche, of course, Dave Quinn from

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Speaker 2: People Magazine is here to give us the scoop.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Dave, Well, what's.

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Speaker 4: Up, Carlos. I will never be as good as a

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Speaker 4: journalist as Porsche. She's always number one, like always number one.

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Speaker 3: She's always number one. She always breaks the news first.

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Speaker 3: But listen, you are a Peabody close second book.

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Speaker 4: I will say. When we did the cover Digital cover

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Speaker 4: story with Portia, I interviewed her. This is right after

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Speaker 4: the Simon Gubadia divorced, and I said, like, what's going

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Speaker 4: on with love for you? And she goes, I don't know,

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Speaker 4: should I be a lesbian? And now she is so

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Speaker 4: I got the scoop from the scooper.

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Speaker 3: That's how it should be done. I mean, she gave

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Speaker 3: you Edna's.

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Speaker 2: Glusive and clearly it wasn't bullshit because she is living

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Speaker 2: her best gay life, honey, something you and I can

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Speaker 2: relate to. However, has that big topsy with us? It

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Speaker 2: has everything to do with Listen, raindrops. Dave Quinn is

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Speaker 2: here to talk about and exclusive interview. You guys are

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Speaker 2: hanging her first that he did with former railhouse Wives

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Speaker 2: of Salt Lake City star Jenshaw.

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Speaker 4: Yo, it's crazy. Is that crazy?

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Speaker 3: I mean it's insane, but it's not.

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Speaker 2: Listen, it's not insane in terms of you getting yet,

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Speaker 2: because of course you would get this close up. It's

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Speaker 2: the fact that we now have on record how she feels.

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Speaker 2: I'm assuming because listen, you're here to give us a

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Speaker 2: school honey.

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Speaker 3: So what is going on with Mi Jenshaw?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like Carlos, she has not done an interview since

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Speaker 4: she pled guilty. So that was a long time ago.

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Speaker 4: Since she pled guilty, she went to jail. She was

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Speaker 4: in jail for two years and nine months. She's now

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Speaker 4: been out in home confinement. She has not spoken that

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Speaker 4: entire time. Remember when she was arrested and indicted, we

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Speaker 4: were all losing our minds. We were on clubhouse talking

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Speaker 4: to all of our friends about all this. It was

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Speaker 4: like twenty twenty Finny.

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Speaker 3: We were all like losing our month balls.

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Speaker 4: We were like, I can't believe Jenshaw is going to prison.

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Speaker 3: This is crazy.

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Speaker 4: She's indicted, look at these crimes. And the whole time

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Speaker 4: she was saying I'm innocent, she was selling like free

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Speaker 4: Genshaw merch and was saying that she was wrongfully accused.

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Speaker 4: And then all of a sudden boom, she plied guilty.

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Speaker 4: And from that moment on nada we heard not a drop.

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Speaker 4: So finally, for the first time, she sat down and

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Speaker 4: she said everything, how she became the alleged kingpin of

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Speaker 4: this entire telemarketing scheme, why she decided to plead guilty,

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Speaker 4: what it was like being behind bars, what it was

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Speaker 4: like being behind bars with Elizabeth Holmes and Galene Maxwell.

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Speaker 2: What wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait,

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Speaker 2: there's so much unpack here.

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Speaker 3: And listen, rain Jobs.

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Speaker 2: You got to pick up the issue that is out today, Okay,

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Speaker 2: so make sure to pick it up. But day give

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Speaker 2: us this gooop because Elizabeth Holmes rain drops. In case

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Speaker 2: you don't remember, she was a Silicon Valley woman, the

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Speaker 2: inventor who allegedly was trying to invent some sort of

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Speaker 2: blood transfusion.

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Speaker 3: B as whatever. Hbos. Get a whole documented about her, honey.

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Speaker 2: One of my favorite actresses, Mada Seyfried Baby played her

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Speaker 2: in a biopic. So way she was in she shared

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Speaker 2: the same jailso as her.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So they were in the federal prison camp in Brian, Texas,

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Speaker 4: which is a minimal security camp, and they shared I

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Speaker 4: think there was over ten months that they were in

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Speaker 4: the same unit. Dude, are you ready for this? This

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Speaker 4: is my favorite quote from the piece. I'm gonna read

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Speaker 4: it to you verbatim because I am a journalist, as

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Speaker 4: you mentioned, and I like to make sure that I

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Speaker 4: get my quotes correct. So I asked her about what

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Speaker 4: it was like, you know, being with Elizabeth Holmes and

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Speaker 4: whether they were had a friendship, and she said they were,

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Speaker 4: They were friends, and they were both high profile prisoners,

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Speaker 4: so there you kind of had things in commons. And

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Speaker 4: she said, quote, we both got assigned to poop duty together.

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Speaker 4: When you do poop duty with someone, you're gonna be close,

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Speaker 4: I said, poop duty. So then she explains to me

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Speaker 4: what poop duty is, so the loss on crimsis.

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Speaker 3: So who's picking up? What poop? Are they picking up?

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Speaker 2: Day?

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Speaker 4: Okay, So what poop duty is is each unit has

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Speaker 4: their own bathroom, right, so like each like sector in

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Speaker 4: the prison has their own bathroom, and they were assigned

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Speaker 4: to the same bathroom. And if someone in your bathroom

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Speaker 4: going to your bathroom does not clean it, you get

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Speaker 4: what happens poop duty. So sure enough, they were doing

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Speaker 4: but they did get poop duty. And uh, what it

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Speaker 4: does is you have to sit with a metal chin

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Speaker 4: in the bathroom and you watch people like you're a

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Speaker 4: And if it's not clean, you either have to clean

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Speaker 4: come and clean it. Poop duty yuck?

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Speaker 5: Oh okay, okay, And she's in Denvergala Maxwell too, who

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Speaker 5: we all know was Jeffrey Epstein's girlfriend and co conspirator.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and sentenced to I think twenty years in prison

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Speaker 4: for her crimes, and apparently, according to Jenshaw, showed absolutely

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Speaker 4: no remorse behind the scenes, told everybody and told jen

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Speaker 4: blatantly that she had no remorse. The TV's on and

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Speaker 4: they're showing the the the horrible victims of Epstein fighting

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Speaker 4: to get the unsealed documents in Congress, and she's like

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Speaker 4: mocking it in the room. Apparently, what girl, I was shocked.

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Speaker 2: This is madening. Okay, back to Jinshaw. So, because baby,

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Speaker 2: let me tell you something. Between Elizabeth and Galley, this

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Speaker 2: whole fucking episode can be about them alone.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, where is my real Housewives of the Clink?

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Speaker 4: You know, like give it to me Orange is a

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Speaker 4: new Housewives? Like I want to.

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Speaker 2: See it, Lizzy, that's an episode that's the title this episode?

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Speaker 3: Or a Housewives? That's actually Genia's Dave. That's why I

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Speaker 3: love him, so body.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So back to jin Okay, how did she describe.

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Speaker 3: Her experience behind bars.

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Speaker 2: Because you know on the show, she loved the label

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Speaker 2: she had a big house, she's a mom, she's a wife.

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Speaker 3: Did she get along with people. Did somebody try.

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Speaker 2: To like, you know, you know, check her and big

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Speaker 2: Mama her like what people, Mama.

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Speaker 3: You know, these are things that my brain DAWs want

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Speaker 3: to know.

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Speaker 4: Well, she didn't open up about that first thing. You know,

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Speaker 4: we've been laughing we're talking about this, but I do

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Speaker 4: want to just strip it back to just say the

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Speaker 4: big purpose of the interview was really Jenshaw talking about

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Speaker 4: what happened, and she was very very accountable, saying over

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Speaker 4: and over again that she is sorry, that she takes

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Speaker 4: full accountability for what happened, that she's doing everything she

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Speaker 4: can to pay the restitutions. She owes six point six

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Speaker 4: million dollars in restitution to pay back the victims that

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Speaker 4: were defrauded. She was very clear that she never targeted

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Speaker 4: the elderly. That the way the government's case works that

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Speaker 4: she was very clear that that was never something that

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Speaker 4: she targeted. She also said that she really didn't know

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Speaker 4: that there were victims that she had been going through

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Speaker 4: and she takes accountability for that. She's clear that she's

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Speaker 4: not placing blame. She said clearly to me, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: There is no excuse, but there is an explanation, right, like,

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Speaker 4: this is how I got here, but there's no excuse

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Speaker 4: for it. And she said to me pretty much at

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Speaker 4: the eleventh hour of the story that also while this

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Speaker 4: was happening, Coach and I were nearly divorcing, our marriage

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Speaker 4: had completely fallen apart, I was abusing alcohol. Things were

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Speaker 4: Jen's now thirty six months sober. She is in a

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Speaker 4: her asking about the show Andy, everything like a Bravo

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Speaker 4: didn't really understand how to separate the difference between television

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Speaker 4: they would say they loved her, and if they hated her,

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Speaker 4: they would say they hated her. It got so bad

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Speaker 4: that she had to be moved to another unit because

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Speaker 4: don't think about, right, Like, we're adult enough to know

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Speaker 4: that when we're around one of these women that we

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Speaker 4: can sort of separate.

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Speaker 3: But in these situations.

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Speaker 4: They were not able to. Bravo was taken off the

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Speaker 4: TV temporarily because it got so bad and they eded

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Speaker 4: it back on. She said she didn't even watch the show,

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Speaker 4: but she knew what was happening at all times. And

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Speaker 4: remember she's behind the scenes, behind the scenes, she's behind

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Speaker 4: thing is happening while she's away. When when when Heather

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Speaker 4: been gone for all this time.

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Speaker 2: So when it came to Monica's iconic season, was she

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Speaker 2: able to watch it and did she share her thoughts

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Speaker 2: on Monica Garcia.

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Speaker 4: I definitely asked her about Monica Garcia because I'm messy

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Speaker 4: and I want to know about Monica Garcia, like I

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Speaker 4: love Monica, I'm curious what her feelings about it were.

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Speaker 4: And the first thing she said to me was Monica

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Speaker 4: Garcia Garcia. I don't know Amonica Garcia. And she kept

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Speaker 4: saying like I knew some Garcia's behind bars. But and

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Speaker 4: then she was like, oh, Monica Fowler because remember Monica's

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Speaker 4: name changed, So she was throwing a little subtle shade,

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Speaker 4: Pads for her face, laundry detergent. She had all the hairsprays.

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Speaker 3: Now listen, I'm the same way.

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Speaker 2: I think that's what we want to know, because no

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Speaker 3: And I think that.

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Speaker 2: While I understand that people may feel like you're being rewarded,

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Speaker 2: time and you're released, then you are a citizen who

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Speaker 2: should go back to the workforce. I don't think you

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Speaker 2: should suffer by not working. I think if she's saying

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Speaker 2: that I owe you know, these people six million dollars,

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Speaker 2: I want those people to get their money back.

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Speaker 3: And if that means every paycheck she gets from her

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Speaker 3: housewives goes to them, then so be it. So I

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Speaker 3: would like to see her back on the show.

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Speaker 4: I also just like that you like chaos, I want

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Speaker 4: her and Monica you were like, let's.

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Speaker 3: Go wake it up, wake it up.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we need, we need something else to happen

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Speaker 2: on that show. And I just I just think it's

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Speaker 2: a step in the direction of listen. I do think there's,

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Speaker 2: of course, different cases where someone should not be back

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Speaker 2: on a show. I think in this case, once again,

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Speaker 2: the crime, the time she's released, and I think us

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Speaker 2: watching her being documented.

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Speaker 3: What that looks like. I would watch it.

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Speaker 2: I mean I would is she Well, let me ask

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Speaker 2: you this, does she want to get back on television?

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Speaker 4: I asked her if she would want to come back

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Speaker 4: to the show, and she gave me the very standard

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Speaker 4: like never say never, a sort of question. Obviously, it's

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Speaker 4: not her decision, she did say. I asked her how

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Speaker 4: she's making money. I asked her what she's planning on doing,

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Speaker 4: and she said that she's weighing her options right now

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Speaker 4: in a couple of projects within the media industry, in

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Speaker 4: the entertainment industry. So is it going to be a podcast,

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Speaker 4: is going to be a documentary? Is it going to

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Speaker 4: be another TV show? I don't know what it's going

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Speaker 4: to be, but a book, there's something obviously that she's

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Speaker 4: going to do with it. I guess we'll have to

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Speaker 4: wait and see. I don't think Bravo is knocking down

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Speaker 4: her door right now, but I also think that they're

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Speaker 4: probably waiting to see what she's like right because I'm

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Speaker 4: and how the fans receive her, because I'm not necessarily

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Speaker 4: sure they want to give I don't think they want

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Speaker 4: to be first to that. That situation, well, that.

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Speaker 3: Makes say is a huge gamble.

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Speaker 2: The thing about the Bravo audience, the housewives specifically, is

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Speaker 2: the fact that they're very opinionated and loud on social media. However,

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Speaker 2: they still want to know how this person is living.

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Speaker 2: And because look we saw with Karen Hugert who was

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Speaker 2: convicted of.

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Speaker 3: A DUI you know her her or fourth one.

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Speaker 2: And she served her time and when she came out,

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Speaker 2: they said come back now. Granted, people listen There's people

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Speaker 2: out there day who looked at Karen hug and said

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Speaker 2: she could have killed someone, right, and they won't ever

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Speaker 2: forgive her for that understandable. There's people out there who

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Speaker 2: look at Erica James saying, I don't think you should

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Speaker 2: be on TV because your husband's stole money from the

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Speaker 2: orphans and take those earrings back. In all these things,

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Speaker 2: she's still on the show. She hasn't been convicted of anything.

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Speaker 2: And then you have Jenshaw who got committed doing fraud

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Speaker 2: taking money away from the elderly, as we have now

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Speaker 2: learned specifically what that was. And I just think any

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Speaker 2: opportunity to judge, I just don't think that's fair when

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Speaker 2: other people have done something and they're back on their shows.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. No, I mean it's at the end of the day,

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Speaker 4: I just want good television, right, So ye give me,

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Speaker 4: give me something good, right. And that's and that's how

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Speaker 4: I feel about all of these shows. When I hear

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Speaker 4: that Miami is on pause, like, I'm bummed about that

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Speaker 4: because I want Miami on my TV screens, but I

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Speaker 4: also want it to be a good show. Yeah, And

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Speaker 4: I understand, like, oh, maybe I can't have Miami and

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Speaker 4: my TV screens. If Alexia is still with what's this bucket?

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Speaker 4: Who's suing the right, who's suing the network? So like, okay,

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Speaker 4: well that's not going to work.

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Speaker 3: How are you going to show her real life?

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Speaker 4: If he's that that's not going to make sense. And

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Speaker 4: there are certain people in their mix who they don't

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Speaker 4: have the right cast, and it's like you kind of

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Speaker 4: have to wait for them to figure it out. I

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Speaker 4: can be patient for maybe there to be a boomerang

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Speaker 4: opportunity for her in the future, or maybe she'll go

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Speaker 4: somewhere else, or.

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Speaker 2: Maybe yeah, yeah, listen. At the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: what we can't deny is Jenshaw. It is amazing to television.

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Speaker 2: At one point in time, she was literally the face

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Speaker 2: of that particular franchise, and based on what you're saying

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Speaker 2: to me, it does appear that she has become somebody

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Speaker 2: that is different. And I also think, look, any opportunity

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Speaker 2: to see some growth in a person that served time

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Speaker 2: behind bars, I would like to see that, and then

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Speaker 2: and then from there, I think we can say whether

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Speaker 2: or not we believe it, but it sounds to me

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Speaker 2: like you were there, you got to change to talk

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Speaker 2: to for two hours and you see a difference in

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Speaker 2: her than what was on the show.

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Speaker 4: I see a difference in her, for sure than the

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Speaker 4: person that I had seen on TV. Whether or not

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Speaker 4: I believe her even is sort of not something I've

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Speaker 4: even spent time thinking about, because I'm just like, I'm

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Speaker 4: so good at I'm so good at compartmentalizing that and saying,

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Speaker 4: these are the facts, and these are this is her

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Speaker 4: story and her facts, and these facts may be different,

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Speaker 4: but they both validity in this case.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, Well, Dave, my friend, thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for this exclusive And once again, how can people pick

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Speaker 2: up this copy and read about it?

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh. So it's People's on newsstands now and

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Speaker 4: you can check it out at people dot com or

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Speaker 4: on our Instagram page or TikTok, you know all that stuff.

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Speaker 4: You figure that out online. But we have so much stuff.

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Speaker 4: There's so many stories to this, and it's a long interview.

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Speaker 4: I think we're going to publish the whole transcript too,

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Speaker 4: so you can really read through. We are keeping the

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Speaker 4: kids fed.

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Speaker 3: Yes, feed me, beed me, feed me beed me?

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Speaker 2: Yes. Well, Dave, you know I love you so much

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Speaker 2: and I'm so happy that you share this exclusive with

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Speaker 2: me and Range Jobs. Go pick up a copy today

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Speaker 2: and Dave, I'll see you next time.

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Speaker 4: All right, now, shut this down so we can real

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Speaker 4: gassa okay.

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