WEBVTT - Draft Show: Playing the Probabilities 0:00:02.360 --> 0:00:04.880 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:04.920 --> 0:00:06.800 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:11.160 Cowboys. 0:00:11.520 --> 0:00:17.520 This is the Dallascowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war 0:00:17.640 --> 0:00:21.360 room for inseter news and draft analysis from deep within 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:24.079 the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the. 0:00:24.000 --> 0:00:25.079 Star in Frisco. 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:34.360 Today is Tuesday, April sixteenth, twenty twenty four, and we 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:37.160 are officially single digits. 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:39.400 Nine days away from the. 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:43.919 NFL Draft in Detroit, Michigan, coming up next Thursday. As 0:00:43.960 --> 0:00:46.120 we welcome you into the Draft Show presented by Miller 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:49.200 Lite Taste, you can depend on, Oh yeah, we're ready 0:00:49.200 --> 0:00:49.600 to roll. 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:53.440 It's time to get things going. Nine days away. 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:57.200 I Isha Morrison, Brian pratdess Nick Harris, Bobby Belt, Jasmin 0:00:57.240 --> 0:00:59.520 Marshall running everything in the back of Kyle Yeomans. 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:03.600 It is here. It's it's crazy that we're getting there. 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:06.319 And I feel like we say this at the start 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:08.920 of every episode, but it's crazy how quickly it's come 0:01:09.000 --> 0:01:11.840 up upon it. But are the boards set at this 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:16.639 point right? Still shifting, still shifting, shifting it around. 0:01:16.720 --> 0:01:19.520 You're working on some final What will happen is this 0:01:19.600 --> 0:01:22.840 week will be where they'll get it organized and then 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:25.360 next week they could start doing the mock drafts or 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:28.640 making their calls and all that. So, yeah, we still 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:31.080 got some discussions that will be made. 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:31.880 Uh. 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:34.560 You know, there'll be some position groups. They'll be some 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:38.160 groups that are a bit lighter than others, and they'll 0:01:38.200 --> 0:01:40.040 be able to get through those a little bit quicker. 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:42.240 But you want to try and do this, I mean, 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:44.200 the final push. You want to make sure you're as 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:47.040 fresh as possible. You know, it's a it's a little 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:49.520 bit of a daunting task to to put that thing 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:53.560 together as we're all learning. But they've they've got this 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:56.640 week and then next week will be about trying to 0:01:56.680 --> 0:01:59.240 make sure they got everything lined up on the board 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:03.840 with their medical, any trade possibilities, alert teams what they're 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:06.640 interested in, and then kind of navigate that and get 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:07.440 ready for Thursday. 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:12.519 It's crazy how quickly it hasn't been quick because these guys. 0:02:12.280 --> 0:02:14.520 Have been doing it for three hundred and sixty days 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:17.840 and then watching these prospects as juniors and sophomores and freshmen. 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:20.400 But now it's coming down to the wire and we're 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:23.040 getting really close. But they've got some tough decisions to make, 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:26.160 and we have some tough decisions on the docket as well. Brian, 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:27.919 you have some would you rather I want to get 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:29.840 into this? Yeah, so we have time on for Twitter 0:02:29.880 --> 0:02:34.079 on the twenty. Would you rather this prospect or that prospect? 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:35.120 Who you want to start it off with? 0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:38.320 Yeah, let me start it off here by I had 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:40.120 all these. You did a great job of getting all 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:41.520 these on our phone, and I. 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:42.799 Was want me to give you the first two. 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:44.679 Go ahead, give me the first two. Hang on, I 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:45.240 get it right here. 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:48.480 It go it all right, and I'll start with you 0:02:48.520 --> 0:02:51.000 on this one. Nick, We'd rather have Kate. This is 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:53.240 an offensive line compares a couple of tackles. 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:53.799 Let's do it. 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:58.639 Caden Wallace from Penn State or Christian Jones tackle from Texas. 0:02:59.000 --> 0:02:59.240 Yeah. 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:01.560 I really like this one because both of these guys 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:04.280 have a ton of experience at right tackle. I think 0:03:04.280 --> 0:03:07.160 both of them over forty games. I like Kayden Wallace 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:09.320 a little bit more. I have him in the fourth. 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:11.919 I think he's a little bit more athletic. I think 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:14.240 he's got positional versatility that you can kind of slide 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:16.080 him inside if you wanted to with the next level. 0:03:16.360 --> 0:03:19.040 Whereas Christian Jones, I think he's a true right tackle, 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:21.600 and he's more of a you know what you're getting 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:23.480 when you get him. I think Wallace there's still something 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:27.040 unlocked there. So I'm taking Wallace. But I think Jones 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:28.760 could bring a lot of experience to a to an 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:29.680 offensive line room for. 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:34.320 Sure, Robert Cayden Wallace or Christian Jones. 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:36.040 I mean, I really like Kateen Wallace. 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:39.440 I think I higher on Kyten Wallace than probably most 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:41.440 other people are because I've got Cat and Wallace in 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:42.040 the third round. 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:42.480 Wow. 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:46.440 But to me, like it's not flashy with Caden Wallace. 0:03:46.480 --> 0:03:47.800 It's not like you see a whole bunch of like 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:50.320 wow moments or oh my gosh, he's just mauling this guy, 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:52.480 or you know, you have those sorts of moments with him. 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:56.720 But he's just he's so clean technically. I think he's Honestly, 0:03:56.720 --> 0:03:58.560 if you're just talking about next year, who's more pro 0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:01.000 ready to step in and take nflsuster, Kate and Wallace 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:01.880 might be more ready. 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:03.720 Than Olu Fashnu on the other side. 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:05.839 Fat Like, to me, I think Katean Wallace is ready 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:09.119 to step in and you know, contribute and not get 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:12.000 overwhelmed technically, Like there's still some stuff with fashion now 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:12.960 that you're working out. 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:14.160 But I think that. 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:17.120 Wallace is just he's steady across the board. You don't 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:20.359 see him all in. He always competes, he's always generally 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:22.160 when he's black. I don't see him ending up on 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:24.440 the ground a lot. I don't see him losing very frequently. 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:27.039 Christian Jones is a maler like. He plays with a 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:29.839 ton of power and it looks really impressive at times. 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:32.680 But I just look at him and I think that 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:37.600 that's somebody who has sincere athletic limitations and is somebody 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:41.360 who I don't think his hands and his feet are 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:43.520 always working in harmony the way that I see it 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:44.880 more frequently with Kayden Wallace. 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:46.479 So I take Katan Wallace pretty easily. 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:48.159 Yeah, Kyle, you got some there. 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:48.440 Yeah. 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:51.320 I think when you're looking at Christian Jones specifically, you 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:54.680 mentioned the strength. He's got pro ready strength, but his 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:57.159 footwork is not there. There's a lot of cleaning up 0:04:57.200 --> 0:04:58.640 you're going to have to do whenever it comes to 0:04:58.680 --> 0:05:00.000 his footwork hand play. 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:02.400 He gets in trouble, but he gets out of it 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:04.080 with how strong he is. He reminds me of. 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:07.880 Some of these unpolished guys that you can maybe develop 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:11.679 into a high level depth piece at the offensive line position. 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:14.679 He's not going to be ready to start immediately. Going 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:17.440 back to exactly what Nick and Bobby just said, I 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:20.560 think Wallace could start now. I think he could and 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:25.119 maybe not be a high level guy, but like a TJ. 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:27.400 Bass and a bron Hoffmin where you can service him 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:31.240 into certain starting roles and get some significant stats snaps 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:33.320 in a pinch. I think that's where he could work 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:35.080 into it, just because I think he is more pro 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:37.520 ready and he's cleaner with his footwork across the board. 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:40.919 Hiisha, Yeah, I would be going with Kayden Wallas in 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:43.479 this situation. I mean Nick brought up just the fact 0:05:43.480 --> 0:05:46.159 that it's the consistency for me is that when you 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:48.800 watch the tape, it's not with Christian Jones. There were 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:50.880 times like I love how he fires off the ball. 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:53.160 I like how he's able to get to the second level. 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:56.039 But Bobby made a fantastic point saying that it's not 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:58.640 always in harmony and with Kayden Wallace, I think you 0:05:58.640 --> 0:06:01.320 see them more consistently what they were able to well, yeah, 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:02.960 what they were able to do there in Penn State. 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:05.559 Yeah, I wonder if people really look at Christian Jones 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:08.080 maybe as a guard, you know, maybe that you might 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:10.520 be a little bit better prospect there with not having 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:11.880 to deal with all. 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:14.599 The stuff on the outside. But I guess, yeah, the feet. 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:17.320 The thing about it is, I got both of they 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:20.400 both a lot of games, you know. I mean, Christian 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:24.000 Jones has made forty eight starts for Texas, and that's 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:27.159 that's pretty impressive when you start to talk about but 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:29.919 you're right, everybody's right here where he will struggles with 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:32.479 the athletic opponent. But I had both those guys in 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:35.040 the fourth round. That's why I had him right there, 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:37.440 just trying to kind of get an idea where you 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:42.400 guys stopped Bobby the Kai Wingo defensive tackle Texas A 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:46.560 and M Dwayne Carter defensive tackle from. 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:51.719 Duke McKay Wingo from Yeah. 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:57.640 But I say, Jackson, I'm sorry. 0:06:55.080 --> 0:07:02.080 I was worried about the thing with the Duke one. Yeah, 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:04.360 Wingo LSU, I'm sorry about that Wingo l sh. I'm 0:07:04.360 --> 0:07:07.320 stingoing Texas aname for some stupid reason. And then uh, 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:09.400 and then the Wayne Carter from Duke. 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:11.320 And I have them, like I mean, I haven't gotten 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:13.360 that deep into my entire stack yet to where they 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:16.520 would be in there, but on the defensive tackle rankings 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:18.680 that I have there right next to each other, and 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:21.960 so I think they're very similar I would take. I'm 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:24.360 a little hesitant because I think the the the size 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:27.120 issues with Wingo do show up at times where where 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:29.520 you can see that length gives him a problem, and 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:31.920 that's not as much of an issue with Dwayne Carter. 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:34.440 They're both similar to me, and that they're both like 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:38.360 hot motor guys and big effort guys. To me, I 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:41.200 think that Wingo's get off is just a little bit better, 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:44.000 like his snap anticipation is a little bit better, and 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:46.320 I think he's better at using his hands and getting 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:48.000 off of blocks, and so for me, it'd be Wingo. 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:51.200 I don't love either one of them outside of like 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:53.280 round five, that's where I have both of them. But 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:55.160 wing go to me just slightly over Carter. 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:59.160 I think I'm a little higher on Carter than most people. 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:01.880 I have them late third round grade on him. 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:03.320 I don't know where you guys have him. 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:05.120 I think he's a top one hundred player or a 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:09.160 borderline top one hundred player. I love his play strength, 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:13.280 I love his ability to find the football, always looking 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:16.480 to force a turnover. He finished Duke, He finished fourth 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:18.760 in Duke program history and forced fumbles. 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:20.440 And we're talking about an interior defensive line. 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:22.880 When we're not talking about an edge rusher that's coming 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:24.720 off the edge and hitting it from behind and getting 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:26.640 to the back the blind side of a quarterback. You're 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:28.240 talking about a guy that just knows how to get 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:30.080 to the football and know how to make a play. 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:35.040 He was eleventh in Saxon program history too. He's limited 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:37.000 from an athletic standpoint, and I agree with you. I 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:39.760 think Wingo has better explosion at the line of scrimmage, 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:42.439 but I think everything else, I think Dwayne Carter does better. 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:45.040 I have Wingo in the fifth, I have Dwayne Carter 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:46.400 in the third, and I think he could be a 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:48.960 legitimate player and an anchor moving. 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:51.080 For Yeah, the jump for me for Carter over Wingo 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:54.800 as well is Wingo. I think durability concerns after the 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:56.679 injury last year, but also you look at his size 0:08:56.720 --> 0:08:57.120 as well. 0:08:58.320 --> 0:08:59.560 That was something that Bobby mentioned. 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:03.319 But I have Dwayne Carter high fourth McKay Wingo probably 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:05.280 in that fourth fifth range. I would probably kind of 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:07.600 see him as a as a fifth guy. But yeah, 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:10.960 Dwayne Carter a ka we z f baby and fourth 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:11.720 round pick. 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:14.760 Please please for me. 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:18.200 Bobby brought up the fact that the size the difference 0:09:18.200 --> 0:09:20.680 to me is the motor with both of them is 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:24.000 I think that Dwayne Carter has a tiny bit more 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:27.520 of a motor in that situation. And as far as 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:30.240 the size goes, like, I think it shows up with 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:32.680 Wingo when you start seeing him later in games and 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:36.600 him rushing just down the middle of guys and so yeah, 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:39.680 doing Dwayne Carter would be my pick there. And I'm 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:42.360 in the same spot as you. A third is crazy, 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:43.319 but you. 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:43.760 Know what, I'm not. 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:46.280 He's on my. 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:49.600 Yeah, I don't hate it either, but I'm not. 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:53.160 Again, like to your point, people are mixed on Dwayne Carter. 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:55.000 You might hear some people say like, yeah, I'm really 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:57.000 high on him. But it's also indicative of what this 0:09:57.080 --> 0:09:58.640 d DT classes as well. 0:09:58.880 --> 0:10:03.120 It is true that it's it's not a very spread 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:05.480 out class right Like it's I think it's more so 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:06.680 top heavy than anything. 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:08.199 And you're gonna get some of these guys early. 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:11.480 Look at McKinley Jackson, I know you Misspokenley said Texas 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:14.080 A and M. He may be the third or fourth 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:17.839 best nose tackle, true one technique in the entire draft class, 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:19.960 and he's probably not going to go until the fourth round. Yeah, 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:22.040 Like that's just kind of how this defensive tackle class 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:22.520 stacks out. 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:24.000 A couple of more notes on these guys. 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:27.080 Dwayne Carter three time captain at Duke, which is a big, 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:29.559 big time deal, especially playing for coach Mike Elko. He 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:31.480 kind of he brought a high standard back to the 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:33.360 Blue Devils, not that they didn't already have it, but 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:35.199 he was a big time leader for them off the 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:37.640 field in on the field, but also looking at McKay 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:39.960 wing go Man that second season that he had at LSU, 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:41.800 which I'm sure you could speak to a little bit more, Brian, 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:44.160 But if you if you can get that on a 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:47.560 consistent basis at the NFL level, you got a value 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:49.520 pick there on Day three. I just I don't I 0:10:49.559 --> 0:10:52.000 don't think that version comes back completely. 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:52.280 Yeah. 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:54.400 The thing that I worry about with Wingo and Ayisha 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:56.080 hit it on the nail and down the head there. 0:10:56.520 --> 0:10:59.240 If he rushes down the middle, he's dead. He's got 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:01.000 to play on the edge. He's got to be on 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:04.640 the outside shoulders to take advantage of his quickness. I 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:07.320 think there's a little stiffness to his game too, so 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:10.120 and the balance might be a little bit off too. 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:12.679 The hands are really really good, I feel. 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:15.080 Like, but anything else to strength the power, I think 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:17.920 with Carter you got a little bit of a stronger 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:21.440 guy and a little bit better motor there. Okay, aisha 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:27.440 linebacker Cedric Gray from North Carolina or Tyrone Hopper from 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:28.760 linebacker from Missouri. 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:33.400 If I'm not mistaken, Cedric Gray is a little undersize, 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:38.000 yeah right, And if I'm not, I think he's Is 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:38.520 he a will? 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:42.160 He should be a will? Yeah? He should be able? 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:44.320 Okay, because I have to put that in perspective because 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:48.560 that means something to me. I think both of these guys, 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:51.000 like I mentioned, both of them have some size differences 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:53.079 or whatever the case may be. I would be going 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:56.360 with Cedric Gray, linebacker out in North Carolina. And again, 0:11:56.760 --> 0:11:59.320 I think Tyrone Hopper has a lot of upside. I 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:03.200 understand he is smaller and you can see that in 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:06.360 the run game at times, but there is some explosiveness 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:07.439 there that's intriguing. 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:08.280 But as far as. 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:10.360 Cedric Gray goes, I think he just would have a 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:12.600 little bit more versatility. If he was able to put 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:15.640 on some size, a little bit more size and move 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:18.040 around and play every linebacker position. 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:18.760 I think he can. 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:22.240 How about you there? This was tough for me. 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:25.680 I have Cedric Gray above Hopper, but not buy a lot, 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:28.280 have one guy sandwich in between those two. 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:32.720 The reason I have Gray higher is because with Hopper. 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:36.880 You're missing instincts at times, and you're missing angles, and 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:40.720 it almost just looks like he's freelancing at times, and 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:43.080 his speed and his physicality can help you get away 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:46.320 with it. Whereas Gray, you're missing the physicality, but you 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:48.240 have the instincts, and you have the angles, and you have. 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:51.800 The readability and the vision to be able to get 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:53.560 to the ball and make plays. 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:55.760 I mean, we're watching highlights of them on the video 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:57.920 side of things, and it seems like he's one of 0:12:57.920 --> 0:13:01.400 those guys for that North Carolina defense that's always in 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:04.280 the mess. So I think I have Gray higher. Both 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:06.920 of them undersized. I think they're both wills. I think 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:10.240 they're both legitimate pros. But I would put Gray just 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:12.840 a bit higher than Hopper, and not by much. 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:15.280 I said Gray as a PA announcer is a best 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:16.920 friend just because he says his name all the time. 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:18.040 He's always in on the action. 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:20.200 But I tapled number thirty three. 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:23.120 Exactly exactly funbile recovery right there. 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:25.960 But I think if you're talking from a Cowboys perspective, 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:27.920 I don't think either of these guys really makes sense. 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:32.000 I the tyrone Hopper love is interesting because they had 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:34.280 a formal with him. He was a he was a 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:38.000 thirty visit as well. But how do you how do 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:42.320 you justify bringing in a guy that's more more accustomed 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:45.239 to playing and coverage when you need a bigger linebacker 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:47.040 to come and fill the run. You need guys to 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:48.959 come in and fill running lanes, and I just don't 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:51.199 think Hopper is is that. I think both of these 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:53.240 guys they work better across the middle of the field. 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:55.920 And you know, I think Gray does have some knacks 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:58.160 and being able to attack the backfield and identify things 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:00.000 going on back there, and that's why I kind of 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:01.760 give Great the advantage. But I don't think either of 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:03.360 these guys really make sense for the Cowboys. 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:06.200 I have a question about Sedja Gray really quickly, do 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:09.920 y'all do y'all not like how he tackles. I think 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:12.480 what I mean that was that's been a topic of 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:15.760 discussion is just the way that he's not always he's 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:18.400 not a he's not a thumper by any means or 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:20.520 whatever the case may be. And even when he does 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:24.400 wrap up sometimes it's like it's not forceful in a 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:25.920 way that you would like to see from the. 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:27.400 Problem how he finishes or like. 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:30.200 How he finishes, I would say. 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:33.480 His form like I mean, the finishing is like a 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:36.360 function of I think, like sometimes the lack of play strength, 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:38.240 like when you see some count trouble getting. 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:39.200 Off blocks and stuff like that. 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:41.920 Okay, the form I had nothing stood out to me 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:45.760 as bad form with Cedric Gray. But I mean physicality 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:47.760 is definitely like like the strength can you give issues? 0:14:47.840 --> 0:14:50.160 But you remember, like Brian, that was something that we 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:53.480 said consistently. It showed up whenever we talked about Layton 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:55.000 van dershw wh who's coming out? Yeah does he come 0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:57.520 off blocks? Is he physical enough? And he ultimately showed 0:14:57.560 --> 0:14:58.760 like he could do it and it was something that 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:01.200 he was really good at. And so to me, I 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:04.480 think Gray is a much better player than Hopper. I 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:07.360 think Hopper, like you're you're taking off traits and and 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:10.120 you're trying to project out and you're you're grabbing sort 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:12.360 of a lottery ticket at linebacker. Cedric Gray, I think 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:15.080 could come in and like place snaps. Now at the 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:17.080 NFL level, Hopper is going to take some time and 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:19.240 there's a lot bigger projection there. So in terms of 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:21.840 who I feel safe as a baseline, like who they 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:23.840 are as an NFL player at Cedric Gray, and that's 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:24.920 not really close for. 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:26.680 Me, I kind of felt like that Hopper was a 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:29.000 little bit better of a cover guy than he was. 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:31.560 And I think the biggest difference is what you guys 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:32.840 are talking about his ability. 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:33.840 He doesn't get off. 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:36.840 The blocks as well as Gray does, and so you know, 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:39.440 but he's got kind of a nose for the football 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:43.400 Hopper when it comes to getting like knifing through, seeing 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:45.360 a gaping knife through and then make a tackle on 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:48.400 the on the behind the line of scrimmage, you know, 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:49.880 I mean, the energy, the effort. 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:52.960 I think he's smooth. I think he's fluid. You know. 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:55.880 That's I mean. I think one's got a little bit 0:15:55.920 --> 0:15:58.400 more strength than the other. And that's why I have 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:01.760 Gray over Hopper myself. But I kind of felt like 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:05.080 they were both pretty similar in what maybe that you know, 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:07.440 and Dallas look at him the way they have. 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:09.840 They're hunting linebackers. 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:11.280 Obviously, So we got to look at all these guys, 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:13.880 all right, Nick, how about this one for the last one? 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:20.240 DJ James cornerback Auburn or Ronaldo Green cornerback from Florida State. 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:22.520 Yeah, both of these guys more on the narrow side, 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:25.480 and when you look at their athletic trades, they're pretty similar. 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:27.240 I thought, of all four of these, would you rather than? 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:28.320 When I was going through them last night? This is 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:30.280 probably the most fun when I had going through it. 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:33.640 But I'm gonna I'm gonna take the edge with Ronaldo Green. 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:37.600 When you see him up against elite competition versus DJ 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:40.800 DJ James up against elite competition, there's a little bit 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:42.360 of a there's a little bit of a gap there. 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:44.480 Go back and watch that first game of the season 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:47.400 against Brian Thomas Unior and Elite Neighbors and Ronaldo Green 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:49.880 he's getting up on him on the line, He's throwing 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:52.400 his hands around here, here's a play he has right 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:55.440 here on I believe that's Lake Neighbors. But I think 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:58.000 I think with with Ronaldo Green. You get a guy 0:16:58.000 --> 0:16:59.800 that can be a press man corner, you get a 0:16:59.800 --> 0:17:02.480 guy that can step back and play safety. I think 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:05.000 he's one of the more fun corner or just defensive 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:07.400 backs in this entire draft. I'm a big Ronaldo Green guy, 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:08.560 one of my pet cats in this draft. 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:09.200 So I'm taking him. 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:11.200 Oh man, Yeah, I mean Green. 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:12.680 And I said it last night in the text, like 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:14.960 Green and James, like they are tags touching for me, 0:17:15.080 --> 0:17:17.600 like in my stack there next to each other, and I've. 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:19.880