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Speaker 2: With the top experts. Welcome to Beyond Contact. I am
Speaker 2: Captain Ron, and today we have the great honor of
Speaker 2: speaking with doctor Eric Davis. Doctor Davis is an astrophysicist
Speaker 2: whose career has focused on advanced propulsion concepts, space time,
Speaker 2: and theoretical physics. He has publicly acknowledged working in the
Speaker 2: government's OSAPP and ATIP programs, as well as many others.
Speaker 2: He is one of the most respected figures at the
Speaker 2: intersection of cutting edge physics, aerospace research, and the ongoing
Speaker 2: search to better understand both the UAP phenomenon and NHI itself.
Speaker 2: It's a great honor to have him here with us today.
Speaker 2: Hi doctor Davis, good to see again.
Speaker 5: Hi Ron, Thank you very much. It's great to see
Speaker 5: you too. And as we were talking about previously, I
Speaker 5: really enjoyed contact in the desert. That was my first one,
Speaker 5: and I consider it to be like the woodstock of euthology.
Speaker 5: I was really thrilled to be there.
Speaker 2: Oh that's great. We loved having you. It was a
Speaker 2: lot of fun.
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 2: You know. I feel like you're on the short list
Speaker 2: of people who have more knowledge on what our government
Speaker 2: may know about NHI and UAPs and appreciating all of
Speaker 2: your NDAs and clearances and all of that. What can
Speaker 2: you share with the audience what we actually may have
Speaker 2: as far as non human craft and biologics are concerned.
Speaker 5: So we have recovered craft worldwide, not just in the
Speaker 5: United States, and they range from really destroyed to in
Speaker 5: tac craft in TAC craft that were landed and nothing
Speaker 5: happens structurally to them, and they're so they're fully there
Speaker 5: with all their internal components and so forth, and so
Speaker 5: that number is classified but as south of forty total
Speaker 5: over the previous eighty years and nhis. I couldn't get
Speaker 5: a real strong handle on that. That's one of the
Speaker 5: more segregated components from the hardware. And I'm a hardware guy.
Speaker 5: I'm not involved in zenobiology as you might call it.
Speaker 5: That's not my forte And I couldn't develop very good
Speaker 5: inside channels to find those people that were working with
Speaker 5: or had been working with recovered NHI bodies. So I'm
Speaker 5: only aware of the ones that I officially know that
Speaker 5: were recovered the four at on the Foster Ranch in Corona,
Speaker 5: New Mexico, which has been mislabeled as the Roswell crash
Speaker 5: because it was the five to ninth bombardment group at
Speaker 5: Roswell Army Airfield that recovered it at the Foster Ranch
Speaker 5: in Corona, and Corona's one hundred and some miles from
Speaker 5: Roswell that one. And then there was one single NHI
Speaker 5: body that was recovered from the crash of a craft
Speaker 5: in Siodaticunya, Mexico. Sorry, Mexico, which is across the Rio
Speaker 5: Grande River from Del Rio, Texas, and that was recovered
Speaker 5: by the Mexican Army, which later decided it didn't want
Speaker 5: to do anything further with it because it was beyond
Speaker 5: their capability to do anything with so they called in
Speaker 5: the US Air Force to recover. So that one had
Speaker 5: one single body. So there was four on the Corona crash,
Speaker 5: one with the Mexico crash, and I am not aware
Speaker 5: of any other ones. We actually had craft, at least
Speaker 5: one that I know of, that was deliberately landed and
Speaker 5: the ufouts literally walked away from it. So it's always
Speaker 5: been hypothesized that that was meant to be a gift
Speaker 5: to us, and what good did it do us? We
Speaker 5: haven't figured much out from it. We don't see city
Speaker 5: buses and aircraft without wings and jet engines, so our
Speaker 5: technology has not been able to take advantage of anything
Speaker 5: that was learned in the crash retrieval programs that reverse
Speaker 5: engineering parts of that. I do know that they weren't
Speaker 5: that successful up until eighty nine, and I don't know
Speaker 5: in the modern context how much further they've gotten along.
Speaker 5: Beyond the surprising comment that Jim MCASKI made to Jeremy
Speaker 5: corbell and George Knapp in a video interview that was
Speaker 5: done some many weeks ago, where he did allude to
Speaker 5: some incremental capabilities had been reverse engine near and they
Speaker 5: might have had something to do with triangular craft, and
Speaker 5: that was vague to me. But Jim has to stay
Speaker 5: within the guardrails of what the dops are allows him
Speaker 5: to say publicly. What's even more shocking to me is
Speaker 5: they allowed him to say anything at all of that nature,
Speaker 5: especially in his book and in the same interview with
Speaker 5: Corbella and Knapp where he was able to get inside
Speaker 5: of a recovered craft. Anyway, I hadn't gone been able
Speaker 5: to get very far with the Nhiyes, I have a
Speaker 5: good Cold War era knowledge of where they went historically
Speaker 5: before modern times, modern times meaning this century, but I
Speaker 5: don't know how many other nhis have been recovered dead
Speaker 5: or living, if any. And there were many close encounters
Speaker 5: of landings where human witnesses, recipients or witnesses who were
Speaker 5: there and saw went up to it, touched it. You've
Speaker 5: got the two guys Peniston and Burroughs, who were Air
Speaker 5: Force security police at bent Waters Lake and heat the
Speaker 5: Air Force Base in England back in December of nineteen
Speaker 5: eighty ethic that was and so those two guys were
Speaker 5: there in the fort saw the craft, Penniston touched it.
Speaker 5: So that's a case where we have two human witnesses
Speaker 5: who actually see in touch of craft. We have other
Speaker 5: few examples of that. The win in New Mexico that
Speaker 5: involved one he is a more scarl and that one
Speaker 5: left evidence behind that you could preserve, measure and make
Speaker 5: estimates from. So it's a hard net, especially contact with
Speaker 5: nhis That one I got through an interview I did
Speaker 5: with President George Herbert Walker Bush back in the early
Speaker 5: two thousands, no longer involved in Texas state politics or
Speaker 5: national politics, and he did reveal to me in the
Speaker 5: conversation that he was brief as the incoming CIA director
Speaker 5: in the Ford administration about the existence of the hollom
Speaker 5: And landing event of three UAP craft. One of those
Speaker 5: three landed on the tarmac, and how a helicopter crew
Speaker 5: was on its way to White Sands Missile Range to
Speaker 5: film a new missile test well. Mid flight, they were
Speaker 5: called by the traffic control tower at Hollomand to return
Speaker 5: to Holloman and film what was happening there instead which
Speaker 5: they got there, and then they filmed the approach of
Speaker 5: three craft, one of which landed on the tarmac, the
Speaker 5: other two went away and apparently a gang way came
Speaker 5: down onto the ground and down walked what we would
Speaker 5: say is a Nordic looking uphone, not or NHI Nordic
Speaker 5: in the Synstad's tall stature white. However, in Bob Emmenager's book,
Speaker 5: the companion book to his Emmy nominated documentary UFO's Fast
Speaker 5: President in Future, he's got a schematic of that that
Speaker 5: came from the Department of Defense. And the reason is
Speaker 5: because that documentary film and its updated version in nineteen
Speaker 5: seventy six, which included cattle mutilations and Jacques Lee as
Speaker 5: a co host, that was still a Sandler Emmenager of production.
Speaker 5: They were both sponsored by the Department of Defense and
Speaker 5: the MacArthur Foundation. So they have a taxonomy at NHI
Speaker 5: beings that have been witnessed, many of him investigated by
Speaker 5: Project Bluebook, many of him investigated by intelligence agencies that
Speaker 5: didn't want to identify themselves, and then they had a
Speaker 5: taxonomy of UFO or UAP craft configurations. So one of
Speaker 5: them is the one that was noted to come down
Speaker 5: the gangplank the exit ramp, if you will. I don't
Speaker 5: know what the technical name for those things are that
Speaker 5: met with CIA and Air Force representatives on the tarmac.
Speaker 5: When I look at it looks Egyptian to me based
Speaker 5: on headgear and the facial structure a little small on
Speaker 5: the jaw. The Senior President Bush described that very head
Speaker 5: configuration that he had been told about during his intake
Speaker 5: briefing or introductory briefing as the new CIA director. And
Speaker 5: he described that scenery based on what he was told
Speaker 5: by the liaison officer, the liaison officer from the Pentagon,
Speaker 5: the go between the CIA and the Pentagon, So it
Speaker 5: was a Nordic. Got the facial structure that you'll see
Speaker 5: in m. Nigger's book. That looks Egyptian to me based
Speaker 5: on the covering. It holds a staff in his hand.
Speaker 5: Bush wasn't allowed to get information on that.
Speaker 2: We take a quick break here, we would come back.
Speaker 2: We're going to ask you about some of the evidence
Speaker 2: for NHI and these recovered craft. You're listening to Beyond
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Speaker 2: with doctor Eric Davis. Doctor Davis, what do you think
Speaker 2: the most publicly discussable evidence for their being an NHI
Speaker 2: presence on Earth is.
Speaker 5: I do know that our intelligence agencies collected intelligence on
Speaker 5: a foreign adversaries crash retrieval event. They had something during
Speaker 5: the late Cold War, the very late Cold War, just
Speaker 5: about the time it ended, actually, and there was a
Speaker 5: crash retrieval on the other side of the Earth, and
Speaker 5: they had recovered a craft whose configuration is comparable to
Speaker 5: the tic TAC that the Ussnimits encountered in the first
Speaker 5: week of November two thousand and four, except it was
Speaker 5: twice as big. This craft was brought down after extrenuous effort,
Speaker 5: I should say a great deal of effort. This country
Speaker 5: deployed its jet fighters, helicopters, ground air missiles, and after
Speaker 5: a period of time only one errant not unplanned ground
Speaker 5: air missile actually didn't quite hit it, but exploded near
Speaker 5: one came close to the target enough to bring it down,
Speaker 5: and it crashed in a boulder field and split open,
Speaker 5: so it didn't become wreckage debris everywhere like a typical
Speaker 5: airliner crash with chunks. It became one big chunk that
Speaker 5: was split, cracked open, and they recovered four Nhi bodies
Speaker 5: which were consistent in size, dimensions, configurations, and approximate weight
Speaker 5: and morphology as the guys that were recovered in Corona
Speaker 5: on the Foster Ranch and the one that was recovered
Speaker 5: in Ciudautacunya, Mexico. So again those are the grays, I
Speaker 5: can tell you that. And there were rulers meter sticks
Speaker 5: at that country lying next to the bodies and the
Speaker 5: body bags. I did not see photographs of the bodies
Speaker 5: before the bag, but the air was removed so you
Speaker 5: could clearly see the outline of the body. It had
Speaker 5: four limbs that I could see. The limbs were diminutive,
Speaker 5: the body was diminutive, but the head was large, and
Speaker 5: it was your typical Nhi had and it was a
Speaker 5: very interesting comparison. There was sunlight getting inside the opening
Speaker 5: of the craft and you could see configuration of stuff inside,
Speaker 5: technical things that were not familiar. They didn't look like
Speaker 5: a human cockpit or chairs, no shoulder straps, none of that.
Speaker 5: It was very unusual. And then because of the angle
Speaker 5: of the sun in the sky with respect to the
Speaker 5: opening side of the opening was in a shadow, so
Speaker 5: I couldn't see what was in the shadow. There were trucks,
Speaker 5: military trucks, military medics, and there were photos reports. Everything
Speaker 5: was in the language of that country. However, our intelligence
Speaker 5: agencies recovered that information through human intelligence gathering and were
Speaker 5: able to translate all of the figure captions on photographs
Speaker 5: and written documents into English, and so you could understand
Speaker 5: what was happening there. So that was an interesting thing there.
Speaker 5: I do not know whether there have been other nh
Speaker 5: eyes recovered elsewhere around the world. I can tell you
Speaker 5: that fully two thirds of all all crash retrievals around
Speaker 5: the globe are in the maritime environment. They're not on
Speaker 5: the land. Only one third of them are on the land,
Speaker 5: so most of them have been recovered in the maritime environment.
Speaker 5: That's one of the most covert operations in the United
Speaker 5: States government is the Navy Undersea Operation. I had attempted
Speaker 5: back in two thousand to contact a Navy captain who
Speaker 5: worked on crash retrievals with TRW, and he was already
Speaker 5: retired by then working at I won't say who it is,
Speaker 5: but it's a federally funded research and development corporation on
Speaker 5: the East coast, and he had the undersea surveillance undersea
Speaker 5: warfare portfolio because that institute that ffarty C serviced one
Speaker 5: of the military well service to the US military, I'll
Speaker 5: say the Pentagon in general. And I engaged him on
Speaker 5: a conversation on that about under UFO slash USO object,
Speaker 5: you know, undersea objects that had been detected and whatnot,
Speaker 5: and he wouldn't go there with me because he said
Speaker 5: the facts and nature and capabilities of our undersea surveillance
Speaker 5: system and undersee recovery technologies as off limits to me.
Speaker 5: So unfortunately he could allude to yes, when they were
Speaker 5: able to see every sort of sea life in the
Speaker 5: ocean with the sensing system that's been installed around the globe,
Speaker 5: and they could tell the difference between school sufficient pods
Speaker 5: of cestaceans and crabs and shrimps and everything else that
Speaker 5: lives in the ocean at all depths. And he did
Speaker 5: confirm that there were anomalous events that were large in
Speaker 5: size dimensions and they could discern its physical shapes and
Speaker 5: estimate its dimensions, but he would not say the word
Speaker 5: UFO or anomalous under sea craft that would not be
Speaker 5: of human origin because even if the you know, the
Speaker 5: Soviets in the United States Navy were the most advanced
Speaker 5: superpowers on Earth, they wouldn't be able to produce the
Speaker 5: type of things they were seeing. He did say they
Speaker 5: had anomalous large objects they did move in anomalous fashions
Speaker 5: that were uncharacteristic with natural sea life, with geological events
Speaker 5: that occurred down in the seafloor, even with the ocean
Speaker 5: currents and man made so they couldn't identify it against those.
Speaker 5: They just basically eliminate the other alternative explanations and came
Speaker 5: down to it was an anomaly, and we know it's
Speaker 5: not a natural anomaly. I asked him about calibration of
Speaker 5: their instrumentation and their sensitivity. He said that too, is
Speaker 5: also super super secret, but he can assure me that
Speaker 5: they were highly calibrated, and when they had problems with
Speaker 5: an instrument that wasn't that lost its calibration and which
Speaker 5: is or malfunctioning overall, they could actually go down to
Speaker 5: the bottom of the ocean, recover it, bring it back up,
Speaker 5: repair it if it's repaarable, or replace it if it's not,
Speaker 5: and return it and reposition it in the previous So
Speaker 5: it's very granular detection system and very high resolution is
Speaker 5: when I understand it. So they could tell the difference
Speaker 5: between natural phenomenon down there and man made and sea
Speaker 5: life phenomena. And he did say, like I said, that
Speaker 5: they did see some very anomalous things that they could
Speaker 5: not identify at all, and they knew their instruments were
Speaker 5: fine resolution, fine, I know this is sonar systems. Calibration
Speaker 5: was fine. So instrumentation was not the issue here. They
Speaker 5: did legitimately detect something. So yeah, so I'm sorry I
Speaker 5: can't answer those questions. That was two things I always
Speaker 5: wanted to track down, and I could never get that far.
Speaker 5: Even during the asapp when I had my security clearances
Speaker 5: and I had my deputization letter from Jim Lekatski which
Speaker 5: deputized me as an official representative of the Defense Intelligence Agency,
Speaker 5: I could not get into those doors to find a
Speaker 5: to find the gatekeeper to the NHIS, a gatekeeper who
Speaker 5: who has the information on US government agency or whole
Speaker 5: of government contact with NHI. Maybe it isn't so much
Speaker 5: as an agency as an appointed coordinator type person who's
Speaker 5: deputized to represent elements of the government on behalf of
Speaker 5: the United States to the NHIS. I couldn't get through.
Speaker 5: I couldn't get there. I just didn't didn't know who
Speaker 5: to track down. And as a matter of fact, I
Speaker 5: know what the reason being is, my security clearances weren't
Speaker 5: high enough to find that information. I was awarded top
Speaker 5: secret SCI clearances and several compartments of SCI subcompartments. I
Speaker 5: should say, well they are compartments. Sorry, so several of
Speaker 5: the SCI compartments. But unfortunately the level of UAP and
Speaker 5: NHI recoveries or interactions or contact is at the WAVED
Speaker 5: and Acknowledge Special Access Program level, and the asset did
Speaker 5: not get that kind of security cover, which meant that
Speaker 5: Biggler Aerospace Advanced Space Studies would, and by consequent of that,
Speaker 5: it would mean that Ertech International Incorporated, which how Putoff
Speaker 5: was owned and was the CEO president of, and I
Speaker 5: was his chief scientist and senior research physicist at during
Speaker 5: that era, so we would have gotten those same clearances
Speaker 5: as well. Jim MCCASKI had not been able to go
Speaker 5: further for whatever reason I'm not aware of. And then
Speaker 5: Senator Harry Reid wrote a letter to Deputy Secretary Defense
Speaker 5: William Lynn and William Lynn denied Reid's request to give
Speaker 5: the Wavednegolge special Access program. Now he didn't use the
Speaker 5: word wavedune acknowledged, read used the word special access program.
Speaker 5: The appellation of wavedne acknowledge versus regular SAP is not
Speaker 5: a distinction at that point. It's just we want to
Speaker 5: talk about the SAP. Then when we if he was successful,
Speaker 5: and we can go down that road with the security
Speaker 5: infrastructure to get that set up through the NISPOMP. That's NISPOM,
Speaker 5: the National Industrial Security Program Program Operation Manual nis POOND
Speaker 5: rules for contractors. We'd go down that path, get that
Speaker 5: set up, and then we would say, well, we know
Speaker 5: that the UAP crash retrieval programs and possibly the recovery
Speaker 5: of the NHI bodies and somebody who is in contact
Speaker 5: with NHIS that's going to be at the WUSAP level
Speaker 5: waved and acknowledged Special Access program WU SAP. WU SAP
Speaker 5: is how we call it. Sounds Chinese anyway, So we
Speaker 5: would have we that would have been the next step.
Speaker 5: We would have worked towards the SAP, and then we
Speaker 5: would have said to Jim mcatski, Okay, Jim, you're going
Speaker 5: to need to get your program security officer to give
Speaker 5: us a wu SAP and then we could go from there.
Speaker 5: I know now that I would have had to have
Speaker 5: WUSAP clearance to take those extra steps to find the
Speaker 5: gatekeepers to the NHI bodies and whoever's communicated with the
Speaker 5: nhis like circa the nineteen sixty four Holm and Landing film,
Speaker 5: and it would have been interesting to find out if
Speaker 5: we had maintained contact or if that was a one off.
Speaker 2: Is that only it's like a quick break. We're going
Speaker 2: to come back. We're going to ask you what you
Speaker 2: think the UFO community gets correct and what they get wrong.
Speaker 2: You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast
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Speaker 2: Beyond Contact talking to doctor Eric Davis. Doctor Davis, there
Speaker 2: are several prominent people such as doctor Stephen Greer and
Speaker 2: others who say that NHI is peaceful. It's only the
Speaker 2: humans who are violent and warlike. You seem to have
Speaker 2: said that it may not be the Space Brothers from
Speaker 2: the fifties that we used to portray. What do you
Speaker 2: think these days.
Speaker 5: Steve Greer, is not a ground truth of anything he
Speaker 5: doesn't know. I know from experience working at National Institute
Speaker 5: for Discovery Science for six years, working five years on
Speaker 5: Skinwalker Ranch, and then working for AFRL. My program manager
Speaker 5: at that the Air Force Research Lab that's the Advanced
Speaker 5: Concepts Office at AFRL at Edwards Serforce Base. My program
Speaker 5: manager was big and deep into this topic. And then
Speaker 5: I worked for Help put Off for fifteen years and
Speaker 5: we were always big and deep on this topic. And
Speaker 5: then we were part of the os APP and the
Speaker 5: follow on a tip that j Stratton set up was
Speaker 5: unfunded and then it got replaced eventually by the UAP
Speaker 5: task Force that the Office of Naval Intelligence had him
Speaker 5: stand up before he finally retired from the Navy and
Speaker 5: Arrow was born. So my experience through all that, and
Speaker 5: I'm not just a stem scientist with the PhD. I'm
Speaker 5: an astrophysicist to be specifically like Avlobe, I'm an experiencer
Speaker 5: because I experienced phenomenon on the ranch and that has
Speaker 5: been published in the first two books by Colin Kellerher
Speaker 5: and George Napp, and the second one I had Jim
Speaker 5: Leikowski as another co author. It's really the sum total
Speaker 5: of my experiences but not just mine. A lot of
Speaker 5: people that have published credible scientists. So you have to
Speaker 5: look at Jacques Falese books Confrontations, Revelations and Dimensions, The
Speaker 5: Passport to Magonia, The Invisible College. I'm forgetting a couple
Speaker 5: of books here, but anyway, you get the point. So
Speaker 5: I've read his case his case files. He published his
Speaker 5: case files in his books. So I read all those,
Speaker 5: and I read and I've even interviewed people who I've
Speaker 5: investigated with Keller her and other folks out in the field.
Speaker 5: The conclusion I reached is it's not all space brothers.
Speaker 5: It really isn't. The UFO phenomenon in the large is
Speaker 5: mostly malevolent. There had been reports, credible reports and analysis
Speaker 5: done by credible academicians of cases that have been evolent
Speaker 5: encounters where there was healing involved and there was just
Speaker 5: contact communication and nothing bad happened to the witnesses, the
Speaker 5: human witnesses. But for the most part, it's malevolent. They've
Speaker 5: been known to shoot directed energy beams at innocent people.
Speaker 5: There's kolarasylin in Brazil back in the late seventies. There
Speaker 5: was a gentleman in North Carolina during the two thousand period.
Speaker 5: There's all these multiple encounters with nuclear weapons systems and
Speaker 5: nuclear weapons delivery platforms and complexes, even the national labs
Speaker 5: where nuclear fuels and radioactive materials are developed and tested
Speaker 5: and so forth and so on. There's a record of
Speaker 5: UAP shutting down a dozen of our Northern Tier ICBM
Speaker 5: silos and missiles and the warheads on the missiles. Simultaneously,
Speaker 5: there were UAP over at Soviet Union turning on a
Speaker 5: dozen of their of their ICBMs. So that's not benevolent,
Speaker 5: that's malevolent, and there have been Keith Wolverton, Captain retired
Speaker 5: Cascade County Sheriff's Department Captain Keith Wolverton did his investigations
Speaker 5: on all of that in the Northern Tier SAX sites,
Speaker 5: the ICBM silos up there in his county, which included
Speaker 5: plenty of UFO close encounters, even cattle mutilation reports and
Speaker 5: bigfoot sightings and things like that. There was never anything
Speaker 5: benevolent about it. It was always malevolent. And the experience we
Speaker 5: had at the ranch, we never had a benevolent experience
Speaker 5: with the phenomenon and the ranch. It's always been control system,
Speaker 5: a precognitive sentient phenomenon that's out there that knows what
Speaker 5: we're doing before we do it, and it's not very
Speaker 5: friendly and it's not open to communicating a two way
Speaker 5: with us. I have a personal experience that had only
Speaker 5: communicated one way with us, but everybody had the experience
Speaker 5: where the phenomenon would demonstrate for us and it would
Speaker 5: not take any inputs from us in return. So it's overall.
Speaker 5: I have some very respected religious studies colleagues, retired and
Speaker 5: active in academia who have a different view of it.
Speaker 5: They got examples of benevolent encounters with the UAP. But
Speaker 5: when I believe that, I accept their data. I mean,
Speaker 5: these are credible researchers. They don't make mistakes, and I
Speaker 5: accept that. But when I look at the numbers, especially
Speaker 5: looking at Jacquli and Chris Aubeck's book Wonders in the Sky,
Speaker 5: which looks at fifteen hundred years UAP history in Europe,
Speaker 5: going back to about the time of Christ or just after,
Speaker 5: you see a lot of malevolent encounters between craft nhis
Speaker 5: and soldiers out in the field, in the middle, in
Speaker 5: the heat of battle, or just run in the middle
Speaker 5: of people living in a village.
Speaker 2: Could this be the reason behind the secrecy could be.
Speaker 5: Could be I explicitly stated the reason behind the secrecy
Speaker 5: in the first section of my lecture at Contact in
Speaker 5: the Desert. I think it's just the US government and
Speaker 5: foreign governments keep this as secret as they possibly can
Speaker 5: because they can't do anything about it. They don't know
Speaker 5: what to do about it, and they don't have the
Speaker 5: technological expertise or the capability to do something about it.
Speaker 5: If they're lucky, like the CIA and Air Force guys
Speaker 5: at Hollman were, the NHI would come down and talk
Speaker 5: to them, but it's not. I only have the data
Speaker 5: from just one retired president who was a CIA director,
Speaker 5: and that's the only data I have about that contact.
Speaker 5: I'm not aware of other forms of contact that have
Speaker 5: taken place where it was a friendly two way communication.
Speaker 5: That's a benevolent contact. I haven't seen any written evidence
Speaker 5: that that was threatening in any way. That conversation or whatnot,
Speaker 5: or exchange of information. I think as I understood it,
Speaker 5: that was an exchange of information. So yeah, I think
Speaker 5: you're going to have a mix of malay and benevolent.
Speaker 5: But so far, the analysis that we see is that
Speaker 5: UAP is a lot like the gin. You know, they
Speaker 5: behave like tricksters. They're pulling stunts on human witnesses, either
Speaker 5: individuals or group of individuals. But by and large it's
Speaker 5: a hardware craft. Advanced technology is really way out there,
Speaker 5: and that's how they transport themselves to get here, and
Speaker 5: they transport themselves out to go back to where they
Speaker 5: came from, and you just don't have a lot of
Speaker 5: contact with humans directly. There are demonstrations like, for example,
Speaker 5: the miracles at Fatima in Portugal that was in the
Speaker 5: early nineteen hundreds, and there was an incident where these
Speaker 5: these shepherd children, siblings and cousins are out. They're very poor,
Speaker 5: very devoutly Catholic, and they're out in the field and
Speaker 5: they come across a burning bush like what Moses saw
Speaker 5: on the top of Mount are At, and instead of
Speaker 5: hearing White God's voice, these kids saw the Virgin Mary
Speaker 5: hovering above the burning bush. This burning bush and Virgin
Speaker 5: Mary were giving them prophecies, and they would relate that
Speaker 5: prophecy to their local parish priest. This had gone on
Speaker 5: so long that finally the whole nearby town had heard
Speaker 5: enough of it that one day they knew from the
Speaker 5: kids that this was going to make another appearance again.
Speaker 5: So they all go out to the field where the
Speaker 5: kids are there. It is they see the burning bush,
Speaker 5: and all of the very religious, lesser educated people, the
Speaker 5: like the Shepherd kids who didn't go to school, they
Speaker 5: saw the Virgin Mary over the burning bush. However, the
Speaker 5: educated people saw something completely different. They saw the sun
Speaker 5: turn silvery and start doing figure eights across the sky,
Speaker 5: if I'm not mistaken. So it was like a big
Speaker 5: giant disc in the sky just doing figure eights, and
Speaker 5: it was not yellow like the sun usually as it
Speaker 5: was more silvery. And however, the sun seemed to disappeared
Speaker 5: from the view. This thing was lighting up the sky
Speaker 5: just like the sun normally did, but it was not moving.
Speaker 5: You did see, the son engineer, what you thought was
Speaker 5: the sun was that silvery doing figure eights until it disappeared.
Speaker 5: There's the normal sun in the sky. The Virgin Mary,
Speaker 5: to the other recipients, went away, and the burning bush
Speaker 5: went away. So that's what they saw. They saw a
Speaker 5: different scene than what the very religious.
Speaker 2: People saw, which is often the case people interpreted through
Speaker 2: their lens. When we come back, we're going to ask
Speaker 2: you about alien reproduction vehicles and to see if those
Speaker 2: in fact could be our reversed engineered craft flying around.
Speaker 2: You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast
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Speaker 2: Beyond Contact. We're talking to doctor Eric Davis. Doctor Davis.
Speaker 2: Another area where you differ from a lot of people
Speaker 2: out there is that many people say that these craft
Speaker 2: we're seeing, like even the famous tic TAC videos are
Speaker 2: effect our technology. What do you have to say about that?
Speaker 5: No, so it was our technology. Why are our military fighters,
Speaker 5: our jet fighters still carrying jet engines with external aerodynamic
Speaker 5: control systems we call those euphemistically wings, you know, the
Speaker 5: tail rudders and ailerons and elevators and flaps. You know,
Speaker 5: why are planes still flying with propellers or jet engines?
Speaker 5: Why do we have rockets? So, if we have these
Speaker 5: anti gravity and somehow that gives them the ability to
Speaker 5: do linear motion or quasi linear rectulinear emotion as well
Speaker 5: as hovering and levitating, our whole ground transportation and aviation
Speaker 5: transportation and space transportation should have already been revolutionized. So no,
Speaker 5: the ARVs aren't there. That's just a myth. Those are
Speaker 5: just created from I don't know why. I don't know
Speaker 5: if it's narcissism or some personality flaw thanks to add up.
Speaker 5: I reject it as a real phenomenon. I think it's
Speaker 5: just a myth that's been created by one person and
Speaker 5: it was propagated by his buddy. That's Michaelson Cirrension. And
Speaker 5: then you've got Bob Tzar telling his story when he
Speaker 5: never worked at Area fifty one. He always worked at
Speaker 5: Los Alamos and worked for kirk Meyer as an hourly
Speaker 5: paid radiation health monitor, which is a guy that checks
Speaker 5: in and checks out and repairs and replaces radiation badges.
Speaker 5: And he did some electronics technician stuff too. Okay, from
Speaker 5: the investigations done by the LAP Task Force, and what
Speaker 5: Arrow had done is that those craft were not attributed
Speaker 5: to anything made by the United States or anything man made.
Speaker 5: There's always a discussion all the Chinese drunes. You know,
Speaker 5: that's Sean Kirkpatrick's bullshit fantasy. No, the Navy was very
Speaker 5: clear that those were unknowns. They were not Navy, they
Speaker 5: were not Air Force, they were not any other service,
Speaker 5: they were not foreign service. They were not as far
Speaker 5: as they're concerned nothing they've ever seen, because because remember,
Speaker 5: these things went into the ocean and they came out
Speaker 5: of the ocean, and we don't have drone technology that
Speaker 5: could do that. That's almost like the what was the
Speaker 5: name of that on voyage to the bottom of the sea,
Speaker 5: they had that little sub that came out of the
Speaker 5: bottom of the of the head of the of the sub,
Speaker 5: see was the name of the sub and it with
Speaker 5: the flying sub is what they called it. And it
Speaker 5: would just rapidly move their water and just head for
Speaker 5: the surface and splash out and just fly like a
Speaker 5: like a jet aircraft all around and the splash right
Speaker 5: back in the water and work its way back up
Speaker 5: into its little belly port underneath the seaview.
Speaker 2: And these objects don't even splash, they just go right
Speaker 2: into that meeting right in.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's exactly right. So that's what the Navy saw
Speaker 5: these things do off the bows and sides of the warships,
Speaker 5: and these were at night. They caught them on fli
Speaker 5: our videos. That is definitely not man made. But Jim
Speaker 5: Lekotski didn't give enough details, so we're basically left with
Speaker 5: the gap of information to figure out what he was saying.
Speaker 5: All we know is he admitted there's some incremental success there,
Speaker 5: but we don't know how much of success. And he's
Speaker 5: tying it to triangular craft. But it could be that
Speaker 5: he meant that they were reverse engineering a capture triangular
Speaker 5: craft and that is what they had incremental success in.
Speaker 5: I could tell you from talking to a senior VP
Speaker 5: of one of the major aerospace companies in the United
Speaker 5: States who worked himself with a team of four or
Speaker 5: five others on that company's crash retrieval program during the
Speaker 5: Cold War. That was from his era there in nineteen
Speaker 5: seventy to eighty nine, which is when the government customer
Speaker 5: shut it down, and he said that they were not successful.
Speaker 5: That's why the government customer who owned the portfolio for
Speaker 5: the crash retrieval and reverse engineering programs shut it down.
Speaker 5: They didn't shut it down just for his company. They
Speaker 5: shut it down for all the companies they had contracts with.
Speaker 5: And then he said they did resurrect it once every
Speaker 5: ten years. They would resurrect it every ten years on
Speaker 5: the premise that our lab technologies, our physics theories, and
Speaker 5: applied physics and engineering principles were advanced far enough so
Speaker 5: that they would bring it out after the first ten years,
Speaker 5: give it a shot. They were not successful, so they
Speaker 5: would shut it back into put it back into hibernation
Speaker 5: for the next ten year period. Bring it back. It's
Speaker 5: too stone Pike two. With the compartmentalization of the wa've
Speaker 5: done acknowledged special access program. I happen to know that
Speaker 5: you can have more than a handful of people in
Speaker 5: certain types of these programs, maybe two handfuls of people
Speaker 5: at most, and they're not allowed confiseration.
Speaker 2: Problem overclassification, over compartmentalization.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's a problem because when you're in that
Speaker 5: security regime, you cannot call the top experts in their
Speaker 5: top grad students in postdocs at Harvard or University of
Speaker 5: Arizona or UCLA or UC Berkeley or or University of
Speaker 5: Illinois or wherever. So you can't call those guys. Hi,
Speaker 5: I'm an interesting problem. If you're eligible to get a
Speaker 5: clearance at this level and sign the s F three
Speaker 5: twelve security clearance and DA, I can share that with
Speaker 5: you because I need your help.
Speaker 2: So I think this is hindering us, doctor Davis, this
Speaker 2: is hindering scientific corus.
Speaker 5: That is hindering it. Absolutely Stove piping is hindering it.
Speaker 5: They were able to avoid that at the Manhattan Project
Speaker 5: because remember the Manhattan Project, if your history knowledge is good,
Speaker 5: was turned into a village Loslomo, the village of Los Alamos.
Speaker 5: So you're gonna have a bunch of guys out in
Speaker 5: the middle of the high high desert. You're on the
Speaker 5: on the Maysize, next to the mountains. They're gonna be
Speaker 5: working out there for god knows how many years. I mean,
Speaker 5: they're trying to close out World War two as fast
Speaker 5: as possible. We beat Germany, they surrendered in April, but
Speaker 5: Japan refused to surrender and we were battling them all
Speaker 5: the way until we had to drop two atomic bombs
Speaker 5: to convince them to surrender in August of forty five.
Speaker 5: So they didn't know it was going to take until
Speaker 5: August to forty five. So they just knew. You're gonna
Speaker 5: have a bunch of physicists, mathetitians, computer programmers, engineers, et cetera,
Speaker 5: et cetera, all multidisciplinary experts collected together. You're going to
Speaker 5: have to house them, surround them with security so that
Speaker 5: nobody can get in and nobody can get out or
Speaker 5: get the information out and then they were unsuccessful in
Speaker 5: a couple of those points.
Speaker 2: Actually make sure it's even worse with UAPs, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: So so this the UAP thing, I think has been
Speaker 2: on a farm more micro.
Speaker 5: I think it's actually microscale compared to the Manhattan Project.
Speaker 5: And that's a shame and that's a travesty, and that's
Speaker 5: criminal because taxpayer dollars are going in to pay for
Speaker 5: this and we're not getting any out of it. We're
Speaker 5: not getting a thing in return. Even if more could,
Speaker 5: even if it's incremental success, we could still use it.
Speaker 5: I don't agree with revealing any reverse engineering discovery that
Speaker 5: could help our foreign adversaries get an edge over our military,
Speaker 5: you know, get a technological edge above us, ahead of us. Yeah,
Speaker 5: we have to protect that, and that's because we are
Speaker 5: patriotic people and we must protect that. But I think
Speaker 5: the more the more general information that there's a there there,
Speaker 5: there's these type of aliens that shouldn't be secret, the
Speaker 5: type of the aliens. There are types if even if
Speaker 5: we knew where they were from, which I don't believe
Speaker 5: we do. Still maybe we do, but that's a real
Speaker 5: swim chance that I that I haven't been able to,
Speaker 5: you know, drill down onto unfortunately, because the US APP
Speaker 5: had ended back in twenty eleven or so. The fact
Speaker 5: that we communicate with an alien species from another from
Speaker 5: another realm, either a parallel universe, or another planet in
Speaker 5: a parallel universe, or another planet in our own universe,
Speaker 5: that it should not be classified. And that's something that
Speaker 5: Avi Lope has said recently surrounding the time of the
Speaker 5: disclosure form in Washington, d C. Late last month, that should.
Speaker 2: Not as all want that obviously, we think of human
Speaker 2: right that we should all know thistxactly. We're out of time, buddy.
Speaker 5: Okay, Well we can get back and do it again
Speaker 5: if you want.
Speaker 2: I would love to. You're so awesome. I appreciate you
Speaker 2: sharing everything with us today. Thank you, welcome, Thank you again,
Speaker 2: Doctor Davis. Really great talking to you. I really appreciate
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