WEBVTT - Episode 116: UFOs & Crash Retrievals with Dr. Eric W. Davis 0:00:02.040 --> 0:00:04.640 You're listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast DAM 0:00:04.760 --> 0:00:09.840 Paranormal podcast network, where we offer you podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, 0:00:09.960 --> 0:00:14.160 and the unexplained. Get ready now for Beyond Contact. 0:00:13.640 --> 0:00:14.640 With Captain Rong. 0:00:21.320 --> 0:00:24.639 Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:28.680 opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:33.880 only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:38.360 to Coast AM, employees of Premier Networks, or their sponsors 0:00:38.360 --> 0:00:41.599 and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:45.280 your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:57.720 Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week on Beyond 0:00:57.840 --> 0:01:02.280 Contact looks for the latest news ufology, discuss some of 0:01:02.320 --> 0:01:05.880 the classic cases and bring you the latest information from 0:01:05.920 --> 0:01:07.840 the newest cases as we talk. 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:11.560 With the top experts. Welcome to Beyond Contact. I am 0:01:11.600 --> 0:01:13.600 Captain Ron, and today we have the great honor of 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:17.400 speaking with doctor Eric Davis. Doctor Davis is an astrophysicist 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:21.880 whose career has focused on advanced propulsion concepts, space time, 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:25.080 and theoretical physics. He has publicly acknowledged working in the 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:28.160 government's OSAPP and ATIP programs, as well as many others. 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:30.640 He is one of the most respected figures at the 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:34.840 intersection of cutting edge physics, aerospace research, and the ongoing 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:39.440 search to better understand both the UAP phenomenon and NHI itself. 0:01:39.640 --> 0:01:41.679 It's a great honor to have him here with us today. 0:01:41.880 --> 0:01:43.520 Hi doctor Davis, good to see again. 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:45.800 Hi Ron, Thank you very much. It's great to see 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:49.400 you too. And as we were talking about previously, I 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:52.920 really enjoyed contact in the desert. That was my first one, 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:56.200 and I consider it to be like the woodstock of euthology. 0:01:56.280 --> 0:01:57.760 I was really thrilled to be there. 0:01:57.960 --> 0:01:59.760 Oh that's great. We loved having you. It was a 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:00.480 lot of fun. 0:02:00.560 --> 0:02:01.040 Thank you. 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:03.000 You know. I feel like you're on the short list 0:02:03.040 --> 0:02:06.320 of people who have more knowledge on what our government 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:10.040 may know about NHI and UAPs and appreciating all of 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:13.359 your NDAs and clearances and all of that. What can 0:02:13.480 --> 0:02:16.799 you share with the audience what we actually may have 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:20.359 as far as non human craft and biologics are concerned. 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:24.200 So we have recovered craft worldwide, not just in the 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:28.960 United States, and they range from really destroyed to in 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:32.120 tac craft in TAC craft that were landed and nothing 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:35.360 happens structurally to them, and they're so they're fully there 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:38.240 with all their internal components and so forth, and so 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:41.280 that number is classified but as south of forty total 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:46.440 over the previous eighty years and nhis. I couldn't get 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:49.360 a real strong handle on that. That's one of the 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:53.920 more segregated components from the hardware. And I'm a hardware guy. 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:58.040 I'm not involved in zenobiology as you might call it. 0:02:58.320 --> 0:03:02.239 That's not my forte And I couldn't develop very good 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:06.919 inside channels to find those people that were working with 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:11.440 or had been working with recovered NHI bodies. So I'm 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:14.120 only aware of the ones that I officially know that 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:18.400 were recovered the four at on the Foster Ranch in Corona, 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:23.040 New Mexico, which has been mislabeled as the Roswell crash 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:25.560 because it was the five to ninth bombardment group at 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:28.760 Roswell Army Airfield that recovered it at the Foster Ranch 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:31.480 in Corona, and Corona's one hundred and some miles from 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:35.160 Roswell that one. And then there was one single NHI 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:38.200 body that was recovered from the crash of a craft 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:43.720 in Siodaticunya, Mexico. Sorry, Mexico, which is across the Rio 0:03:43.760 --> 0:03:47.080 Grande River from Del Rio, Texas, and that was recovered 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:51.440 by the Mexican Army, which later decided it didn't want 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:54.080 to do anything further with it because it was beyond 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:57.240 their capability to do anything with so they called in 0:03:57.280 --> 0:03:59.800 the US Air Force to recover. So that one had 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:03.200 one single body. So there was four on the Corona crash, 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:06.920 one with the Mexico crash, and I am not aware 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:09.480 of any other ones. We actually had craft, at least 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:12.360 one that I know of, that was deliberately landed and 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:16.200 the ufouts literally walked away from it. So it's always 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:18.880 been hypothesized that that was meant to be a gift 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:21.599 to us, and what good did it do us? We 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:25.040 haven't figured much out from it. We don't see city 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:28.720 buses and aircraft without wings and jet engines, so our 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:31.680 technology has not been able to take advantage of anything 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:34.599 that was learned in the crash retrieval programs that reverse 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:37.200 engineering parts of that. I do know that they weren't 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:40.520 that successful up until eighty nine, and I don't know 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:43.640 in the modern context how much further they've gotten along. 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:48.040 Beyond the surprising comment that Jim MCASKI made to Jeremy 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:51.960 corbell and George Knapp in a video interview that was 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:55.840 done some many weeks ago, where he did allude to 0:04:56.160 --> 0:05:01.200 some incremental capabilities had been reverse engine near and they 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:03.839 might have had something to do with triangular craft, and 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:06.599 that was vague to me. But Jim has to stay 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:10.640 within the guardrails of what the dops are allows him 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:13.400 to say publicly. What's even more shocking to me is 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:15.640 they allowed him to say anything at all of that nature, 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:19.039 especially in his book and in the same interview with 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:21.719 Corbella and Knapp where he was able to get inside 0:05:21.720 --> 0:05:25.280 of a recovered craft. Anyway, I hadn't gone been able 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:28.760 to get very far with the Nhiyes, I have a 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:33.560 good Cold War era knowledge of where they went historically 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:37.440 before modern times, modern times meaning this century, but I 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:40.640 don't know how many other nhis have been recovered dead 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:45.200 or living, if any. And there were many close encounters 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:49.120 of landings where human witnesses, recipients or witnesses who were 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:52.360 there and saw went up to it, touched it. You've 0:05:52.400 --> 0:05:55.400 got the two guys Peniston and Burroughs, who were Air 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:58.800 Force security police at bent Waters Lake and heat the 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:01.800 Air Force Base in England back in December of nineteen 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:05.000 eighty ethic that was and so those two guys were 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:08.120 there in the fort saw the craft, Penniston touched it. 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:11.000 So that's a case where we have two human witnesses 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:14.240 who actually see in touch of craft. We have other 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:17.160 few examples of that. The win in New Mexico that 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:20.080 involved one he is a more scarl and that one 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:23.880 left evidence behind that you could preserve, measure and make 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:27.839 estimates from. So it's a hard net, especially contact with 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:31.440 nhis That one I got through an interview I did 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:34.400 with President George Herbert Walker Bush back in the early 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:38.200 two thousands, no longer involved in Texas state politics or 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:42.680 national politics, and he did reveal to me in the 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:47.120 conversation that he was brief as the incoming CIA director 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:50.480 in the Ford administration about the existence of the hollom 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:54.720 And landing event of three UAP craft. One of those 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:59.160 three landed on the tarmac, and how a helicopter crew 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:01.720 was on its way to White Sands Missile Range to 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:06.080 film a new missile test well. Mid flight, they were 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:08.840 called by the traffic control tower at Hollomand to return 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:13.320 to Holloman and film what was happening there instead which 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:16.400 they got there, and then they filmed the approach of 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:19.880 three craft, one of which landed on the tarmac, the 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:22.560 other two went away and apparently a gang way came 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:28.040 down onto the ground and down walked what we would 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:32.160 say is a Nordic looking uphone, not or NHI Nordic 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:37.720 in the Synstad's tall stature white. However, in Bob Emmenager's book, 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:42.160 the companion book to his Emmy nominated documentary UFO's Fast 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:44.920 President in Future, he's got a schematic of that that 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:47.880 came from the Department of Defense. And the reason is 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:51.920 because that documentary film and its updated version in nineteen 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:55.600 seventy six, which included cattle mutilations and Jacques Lee as 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:59.760 a co host, that was still a Sandler Emmenager of production. 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:02.840 They were both sponsored by the Department of Defense and 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:06.520 the MacArthur Foundation. So they have a taxonomy at NHI 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:09.680 beings that have been witnessed, many of him investigated by 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:13.520 Project Bluebook, many of him investigated by intelligence agencies that 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:16.080 didn't want to identify themselves, and then they had a 0:08:16.120 --> 0:08:21.320 taxonomy of UFO or UAP craft configurations. So one of 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:24.520 them is the one that was noted to come down 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:27.800 the gangplank the exit ramp, if you will. I don't 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:30.200 know what the technical name for those things are that 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:33.760 met with CIA and Air Force representatives on the tarmac. 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:36.520 When I look at it looks Egyptian to me based 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:39.760 on headgear and the facial structure a little small on 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:44.360 the jaw. The Senior President Bush described that very head 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:49.000 configuration that he had been told about during his intake 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:53.040 briefing or introductory briefing as the new CIA director. And 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:55.920 he described that scenery based on what he was told 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:59.160 by the liaison officer, the liaison officer from the Pentagon, 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:03.080 the go between the CIA and the Pentagon, So it 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:06.120 was a Nordic. Got the facial structure that you'll see 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:09.280 in m. Nigger's book. That looks Egyptian to me based 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:12.040 on the covering. It holds a staff in his hand. 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:15.560 Bush wasn't allowed to get information on that. 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:17.880 We take a quick break here, we would come back. 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:19.920 We're going to ask you about some of the evidence 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:23.800 for NHI and these recovered craft. You're listening to Beyond 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:26.760 Contact and the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:53.199 podcast network. We are back on beyond contact. We're speaking 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:55.920 with doctor Eric Davis. Doctor Davis, what do you think 0:09:55.960 --> 0:10:00.880 the most publicly discussable evidence for their being an NHI 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:02.240 presence on Earth is. 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:07.640 I do know that our intelligence agencies collected intelligence on 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:12.120 a foreign adversaries crash retrieval event. They had something during 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:14.680 the late Cold War, the very late Cold War, just 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:17.360 about the time it ended, actually, and there was a 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:19.520 crash retrieval on the other side of the Earth, and 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:24.320 they had recovered a craft whose configuration is comparable to 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:27.640 the tic TAC that the Ussnimits encountered in the first 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:30.160 week of November two thousand and four, except it was 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:35.480 twice as big. This craft was brought down after extrenuous effort, 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:39.199 I should say a great deal of effort. This country 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:44.199 deployed its jet fighters, helicopters, ground air missiles, and after 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:48.920 a period of time only one errant not unplanned ground 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:52.800 air missile actually didn't quite hit it, but exploded near 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:55.680 one came close to the target enough to bring it down, 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:57.880 and it crashed in a boulder field and split open, 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:02.079 so it didn't become wreckage debris everywhere like a typical 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:05.640 airliner crash with chunks. It became one big chunk that 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:11.439 was split, cracked open, and they recovered four Nhi bodies 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:16.520 which were consistent in size, dimensions, configurations, and approximate weight 0:11:16.600 --> 0:11:20.360 and morphology as the guys that were recovered in Corona 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:23.559 on the Foster Ranch and the one that was recovered 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:27.760 in Ciudautacunya, Mexico. So again those are the grays, I 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:31.160 can tell you that. And there were rulers meter sticks 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:34.120 at that country lying next to the bodies and the 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:37.520 body bags. I did not see photographs of the bodies 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:40.599 before the bag, but the air was removed so you 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:45.080 could clearly see the outline of the body. It had 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:48.000 four limbs that I could see. The limbs were diminutive, 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:51.720 the body was diminutive, but the head was large, and 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:55.480 it was your typical Nhi had and it was a 0:11:55.600 --> 0:12:00.640 very interesting comparison. There was sunlight getting inside the opening 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:04.800 of the craft and you could see configuration of stuff inside, 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:07.640 technical things that were not familiar. They didn't look like 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:12.520 a human cockpit or chairs, no shoulder straps, none of that. 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:16.880 It was very unusual. And then because of the angle 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:19.200 of the sun in the sky with respect to the 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:21.800 opening side of the opening was in a shadow, so 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:24.600 I couldn't see what was in the shadow. There were trucks, 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:29.880 military trucks, military medics, and there were photos reports. Everything 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:33.040 was in the language of that country. However, our intelligence 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:37.640 agencies recovered that information through human intelligence gathering and were 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:42.200 able to translate all of the figure captions on photographs 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:46.960 and written documents into English, and so you could understand 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:50.120 what was happening there. So that was an interesting thing there. 0:12:50.480 --> 0:12:53.839 I do not know whether there have been other nh 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:57.600 eyes recovered elsewhere around the world. I can tell you 0:12:57.920 --> 0:13:02.080 that fully two thirds of all all crash retrievals around 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:06.079 the globe are in the maritime environment. They're not on 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:08.040 the land. Only one third of them are on the land, 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:11.160 so most of them have been recovered in the maritime environment. 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:14.240 That's one of the most covert operations in the United 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:18.319 States government is the Navy Undersea Operation. I had attempted 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:22.240 back in two thousand to contact a Navy captain who 0:13:22.280 --> 0:13:26.880 worked on crash retrievals with TRW, and he was already 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:29.640 retired by then working at I won't say who it is, 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:32.679 but it's a federally funded research and development corporation on 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:36.440 the East coast, and he had the undersea surveillance undersea 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:42.880 warfare portfolio because that institute that ffarty C serviced one 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:45.439 of the military well service to the US military, I'll 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:48.680 say the Pentagon in general. And I engaged him on 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:53.800 a conversation on that about under UFO slash USO object, 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:57.400 you know, undersea objects that had been detected and whatnot, 0:13:57.679 --> 0:14:00.960 and he wouldn't go there with me because he said 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:05.960 the facts and nature and capabilities of our undersea surveillance 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:10.560 system and undersee recovery technologies as off limits to me. 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:15.880 So unfortunately he could allude to yes, when they were 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:18.920 able to see every sort of sea life in the 0:14:18.920 --> 0:14:22.520 ocean with the sensing system that's been installed around the globe, 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:26.640 and they could tell the difference between school sufficient pods 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:31.880 of cestaceans and crabs and shrimps and everything else that 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:34.560 lives in the ocean at all depths. And he did 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:38.480 confirm that there were anomalous events that were large in 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:44.160 size dimensions and they could discern its physical shapes and 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:48.120 estimate its dimensions, but he would not say the word 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:53.160 UFO or anomalous under sea craft that would not be 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:56.120 of human origin because even if the you know, the 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:59.080 Soviets in the United States Navy were the most advanced 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:02.600 superpowers on Earth, they wouldn't be able to produce the 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:05.440 type of things they were seeing. He did say they 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:09.440 had anomalous large objects they did move in anomalous fashions 0:15:09.480 --> 0:15:15.160 that were uncharacteristic with natural sea life, with geological events 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:19.640 that occurred down in the seafloor, even with the ocean 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:25.000 currents and man made so they couldn't identify it against those. 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:29.680 They just basically eliminate the other alternative explanations and came 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:32.120 down to it was an anomaly, and we know it's 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:35.160 not a natural anomaly. I asked him about calibration of 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:38.240 their instrumentation and their sensitivity. He said that too, is 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:41.480 also super super secret, but he can assure me that 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:44.720 they were highly calibrated, and when they had problems with 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:48.120 an instrument that wasn't that lost its calibration and which 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:51.240 is or malfunctioning overall, they could actually go down to 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:53.720 the bottom of the ocean, recover it, bring it back up, 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:56.360 repair it if it's repaarable, or replace it if it's not, 0:15:56.800 --> 0:16:00.560 and return it and reposition it in the previous So 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:05.760 it's very granular detection system and very high resolution is 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:07.880 when I understand it. So they could tell the difference 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:13.760 between natural phenomenon down there and man made and sea 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:17.000 life phenomena. And he did say, like I said, that 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:19.520 they did see some very anomalous things that they could 0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:23.560 not identify at all, and they knew their instruments were 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:27.920 fine resolution, fine, I know this is sonar systems. Calibration 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:31.600 was fine. So instrumentation was not the issue here. They 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:35.760 did legitimately detect something. So yeah, so I'm sorry I 0:16:35.800 --> 0:16:38.160 can't answer those questions. That was two things I always 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:40.800 wanted to track down, and I could never get that far. 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:44.360 Even during the asapp when I had my security clearances 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:48.760 and I had my deputization letter from Jim Lekatski which 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:52.640 deputized me as an official representative of the Defense Intelligence Agency, 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:56.160 I could not get into those doors to find a 0:16:56.280 --> 0:16:59.920 to find the gatekeeper to the NHIS, a gatekeeper who 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:04.639 who has the information on US government agency or whole 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:08.720 of government contact with NHI. Maybe it isn't so much 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:12.280 as an agency as an appointed coordinator type person who's 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:15.800 deputized to represent elements of the government on behalf of 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:19.960 the United States to the NHIS. I couldn't get through. 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:22.640 I couldn't get there. I just didn't didn't know who 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:25.639 to track down. And as a matter of fact, I 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:28.720 know what the reason being is, my security clearances weren't 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:32.359 high enough to find that information. I was awarded top 0:17:32.400 --> 0:17:37.760 secret SCI clearances and several compartments of SCI subcompartments. I 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:40.800 should say, well they are compartments. Sorry, so several of 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:45.280 the SCI compartments. But unfortunately the level of UAP and 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:49.280 NHI recoveries or interactions or contact is at the WAVED 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:52.920 and Acknowledge Special Access Program level, and the asset did 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:56.199 not get that kind of security cover, which meant that 0:17:56.320 --> 0:18:00.560 Biggler Aerospace Advanced Space Studies would, and by consequent of that, 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:04.280 it would mean that Ertech International Incorporated, which how Putoff 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:06.679 was owned and was the CEO president of, and I 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:10.919 was his chief scientist and senior research physicist at during 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:14.119 that era, so we would have gotten those same clearances 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:17.719 as well. Jim MCCASKI had not been able to go 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:20.520 further for whatever reason I'm not aware of. And then 0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:25.160 Senator Harry Reid wrote a letter to Deputy Secretary Defense 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:30.000 William Lynn and William Lynn denied Reid's request to give 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:34.480 the Wavednegolge special Access program. Now he didn't use the 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:37.960 word wavedune acknowledged, read used the word special access program. 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:43.240 The appellation of wavedne acknowledge versus regular SAP is not 0:18:43.320 --> 0:18:45.960 a distinction at that point. It's just we want to 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:49.560 talk about the SAP. Then when we if he was successful, 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:52.040 and we can go down that road with the security 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:57.160 infrastructure to get that set up through the NISPOMP. That's NISPOM, 0:18:57.240 --> 0:19:02.399 the National Industrial Security Program Program Operation Manual nis POOND 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:05.760 rules for contractors. We'd go down that path, get that 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:08.119 set up, and then we would say, well, we know 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:13.160 that the UAP crash retrieval programs and possibly the recovery 0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:17.440 of the NHI bodies and somebody who is in contact 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:20.560 with NHIS that's going to be at the WUSAP level 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:25.119 waved and acknowledged Special Access program WU SAP. WU SAP 0:19:25.320 --> 0:19:29.480 is how we call it. Sounds Chinese anyway, So we 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:31.359 would have we that would have been the next step. 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:33.520 We would have worked towards the SAP, and then we 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:37.520 would have said to Jim mcatski, Okay, Jim, you're going 0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:39.880 to need to get your program security officer to give 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:42.720 us a wu SAP and then we could go from there. 0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:45.199 I know now that I would have had to have 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:49.040 WUSAP clearance to take those extra steps to find the 0:19:49.080 --> 0:19:54.399 gatekeepers to the NHI bodies and whoever's communicated with the 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:58.680 nhis like circa the nineteen sixty four Holm and Landing film, 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:00.680 and it would have been interesting to find out if 0:20:00.720 --> 0:20:03.720 we had maintained contact or if that was a one off. 0:20:04.240 --> 0:20:06.520 Is that only it's like a quick break. We're going 0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:08.439 to come back. We're going to ask you what you 0:20:08.560 --> 0:20:11.919 think the UFO community gets correct and what they get wrong. 0:20:12.400 --> 0:20:15.040 You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast 0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:35.280 to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We are back on 0:20:35.359 --> 0:20:38.920 Beyond Contact talking to doctor Eric Davis. Doctor Davis, there 0:20:38.920 --> 0:20:42.000 are several prominent people such as doctor Stephen Greer and 0:20:42.119 --> 0:20:45.399 others who say that NHI is peaceful. It's only the 0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:48.560 humans who are violent and warlike. You seem to have 0:20:48.600 --> 0:20:51.160 said that it may not be the Space Brothers from 0:20:51.160 --> 0:20:54.000 the fifties that we used to portray. What do you 0:20:54.080 --> 0:20:55.240 think these days. 0:20:55.440 --> 0:20:57.879 Steve Greer, is not a ground truth of anything he 0:20:57.960 --> 0:21:02.600 doesn't know. I know from experience working at National Institute 0:21:02.640 --> 0:21:05.600 for Discovery Science for six years, working five years on 0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:10.360 Skinwalker Ranch, and then working for AFRL. My program manager 0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:12.960 at that the Air Force Research Lab that's the Advanced 0:21:12.960 --> 0:21:16.560 Concepts Office at AFRL at Edwards Serforce Base. My program 0:21:16.640 --> 0:21:20.760 manager was big and deep into this topic. And then 0:21:20.880 --> 0:21:23.880 I worked for Help put Off for fifteen years and 0:21:23.920 --> 0:21:26.639 we were always big and deep on this topic. And 0:21:26.680 --> 0:21:28.399 then we were part of the os APP and the 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:32.000 follow on a tip that j Stratton set up was 0:21:32.119 --> 0:21:35.960 unfunded and then it got replaced eventually by the UAP 0:21:36.119 --> 0:21:39.240 task Force that the Office of Naval Intelligence had him 0:21:39.280 --> 0:21:42.679 stand up before he finally retired from the Navy and 0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:46.960 Arrow was born. So my experience through all that, and 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:50.680 I'm not just a stem scientist with the PhD. I'm 0:21:50.680 --> 0:21:55.440 an astrophysicist to be specifically like Avlobe, I'm an experiencer 0:21:55.560 --> 0:21:58.120 because I experienced phenomenon on the ranch and that has 0:21:58.160 --> 0:22:01.520 been published in the first two books by Colin Kellerher 0:22:01.560 --> 0:22:04.280 and George Napp, and the second one I had Jim 0:22:04.359 --> 0:22:07.680 Leikowski as another co author. It's really the sum total 0:22:07.800 --> 0:22:10.840 of my experiences but not just mine. A lot of 0:22:10.840 --> 0:22:13.440 people that have published credible scientists. So you have to 0:22:13.440 --> 0:22:17.760 look at Jacques Falese books Confrontations, Revelations and Dimensions, The 0:22:17.800 --> 0:22:22.280 Passport to Magonia, The Invisible College. I'm forgetting a couple 0:22:22.280 --> 0:22:24.679 of books here, but anyway, you get the point. So 0:22:25.440 --> 0:22:29.399 I've read his case his case files. He published his 0:22:29.640 --> 0:22:32.400 case files in his books. So I read all those, 0:22:32.400 --> 0:22:35.200 and I read and I've even interviewed people who I've 0:22:35.240 --> 0:22:38.719 investigated with Keller her and other folks out in the field. 0:22:39.440 --> 0:22:42.400 The conclusion I reached is it's not all space brothers. 0:22:42.720 --> 0:22:46.359 It really isn't. The UFO phenomenon in the large is 0:22:47.200 --> 0:22:54.200 mostly malevolent. There had been reports, credible reports and analysis 0:22:54.240 --> 0:22:59.320 done by credible academicians of cases that have been evolent 0:22:59.440 --> 0:23:02.560 encounters where there was healing involved and there was just 0:23:02.720 --> 0:23:07.359 contact communication and nothing bad happened to the witnesses, the 0:23:07.440 --> 0:23:11.440 human witnesses. But for the most part, it's malevolent. They've 0:23:11.480 --> 0:23:14.600 been known to shoot directed energy beams at innocent people. 0:23:14.640 --> 0:23:19.560 There's kolarasylin in Brazil back in the late seventies. There 0:23:19.720 --> 0:23:25.640 was a gentleman in North Carolina during the two thousand period. 0:23:26.400 --> 0:23:30.639 There's all these multiple encounters with nuclear weapons systems and 0:23:30.720 --> 0:23:36.560 nuclear weapons delivery platforms and complexes, even the national labs 0:23:36.600 --> 0:23:41.680 where nuclear fuels and radioactive materials are developed and tested 0:23:41.840 --> 0:23:45.760 and so forth and so on. There's a record of 0:23:46.480 --> 0:23:51.159 UAP shutting down a dozen of our Northern Tier ICBM 0:23:51.440 --> 0:23:55.560 silos and missiles and the warheads on the missiles. Simultaneously, 0:23:55.640 --> 0:23:58.840 there were UAP over at Soviet Union turning on a 0:23:58.880 --> 0:24:03.879 dozen of their of their ICBMs. So that's not benevolent, 0:24:04.119 --> 0:24:08.760 that's malevolent, and there have been Keith Wolverton, Captain retired 0:24:08.920 --> 0:24:14.120 Cascade County Sheriff's Department Captain Keith Wolverton did his investigations 0:24:14.160 --> 0:24:16.919 on all of that in the Northern Tier SAX sites, 0:24:16.960 --> 0:24:20.680 the ICBM silos up there in his county, which included 0:24:20.960 --> 0:24:25.720 plenty of UFO close encounters, even cattle mutilation reports and 0:24:26.440 --> 0:24:29.720 bigfoot sightings and things like that. There was never anything 0:24:30.119 --> 0:24:33.240 benevolent about it. It was always malevolent. And the experience we 0:24:33.320 --> 0:24:36.880 had at the ranch, we never had a benevolent experience 0:24:36.960 --> 0:24:41.440 with the phenomenon and the ranch. It's always been control system, 0:24:41.600 --> 0:24:45.359 a precognitive sentient phenomenon that's out there that knows what 0:24:45.359 --> 0:24:47.880 we're doing before we do it, and it's not very 0:24:47.880 --> 0:24:50.600 friendly and it's not open to communicating a two way 0:24:50.680 --> 0:24:53.120 with us. I have a personal experience that had only 0:24:53.400 --> 0:24:56.720 communicated one way with us, but everybody had the experience 0:24:56.760 --> 0:25:01.080 where the phenomenon would demonstrate for us and it would 0:25:01.080 --> 0:25:06.920 not take any inputs from us in return. So it's overall. 0:25:07.280 --> 0:25:11.800