1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome and everybody to the Wednesday edition 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, and I 4 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: ready to take you through all of the latest, including 5 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 1: a big breaking news right now that Supreme Court Justice 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 1: Brier is in fact retiring. This is now reported on CNN, ABC, 7 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: Fox News got it. So just breaking the last few minutes. 8 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: There's gonna be a vacancy on the Supreme Court. Brier 9 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: a staunch leftist, I would say, a judicial activist, somebody 10 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: who legislates from the bench. He will be retiring and 11 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:44,239 Speaker 1: they were going to have to replace him in clan. 12 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: I'll break down how that's going to be a very 13 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 1: interesting and clearly in some ways I think, quite contentious process. 14 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: So we've got that for you in just a moment. Also, 15 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: school board meetings once again a frontline battle, and this 16 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: time over mass commandates in schools. You'll notice that when 17 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: it comes to masks, the left is adamantly anti choice. 18 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: You are not allowed to have your child in school 19 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: without a mask on. It's too dangerous, they say. Big 20 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: fights breaking out over this in Pennsylvania. In loudon County, Virginia. 21 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,199 Speaker 1: We've got a lot to discuss. Their parents are getting 22 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: really upset over this one. And once again, you make 23 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: the moms angry, You make them, moms and dads across 24 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: America feel like their kids are I argue this and 25 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: I stand behind it. They're being abused by the state. 26 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 1: This is abusive. Finally, I think there's pushback. You'll notice 27 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: in places where there are governors who are Republicans all 28 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 1: of a sudden, who are changing the way they enforced 29 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: masks in schools Virginia, then all of a sudden, the 30 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: school districts are suing and school boards are saying we 31 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: will not comply. And there's New York now has a 32 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: fight making its way through the courts over this. As 33 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: if masking in schools is going to keep kids safe. 34 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: I mean, this is this is absurd. They have no 35 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: data on this, because it's ridiculous unless you believe that 36 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,079 Speaker 1: when someone's having their you know, their Graham crackers and 37 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: juice time and the mask is down for thirty minutes 38 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: or an hour or whatever, that they're not being exposed 39 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: to the same virus that they'd be exposed to. The 40 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 1: whole thing makes no sense. Oh, and monoclonal antibodies, another 41 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: major front in the fight over how we get through 42 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: this virus and where we go next. FDA saying no more, 43 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: no monoclonal antibody allowance anymore for people. You're not allowed 44 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: to be giving it to folks. But Clay, I know 45 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: you did. We just hit this right before, right at 46 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: the very top. Today, I think that you're gonna have 47 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 1: I mean, look this, there's some things that are obvious 48 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: about the Supreme Court justice opening here with Brier set 49 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: or retire rhymes. Sorry, it's gonna be a leftist, it's 50 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: gonna be a lib They replace him with a true 51 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: judicial activist. But it's also, according to Biden, going to 52 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: be more specific than that. What do you think this 53 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: turns into? What's the situation promised? This news just broke 54 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: literally as we were about to come on the air, 55 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: Stephen Bryer stepping down. I think there's a bunch of big, 56 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: big headlines associated with this decision. First of all, it's 57 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: important to remember that Joe Biden promised that he was 58 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: going to put a black woman on the Supreme Court. 59 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: He not only said that he was going to put 60 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: a woman on, he specifically said that he was going 61 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: to put a black woman on. So the potential list 62 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: of nominees is probably the shortest list that has ever 63 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 1: existed in the history of the Supreme Court, because there 64 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: just aren't that many black women sitting at high levels 65 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: of the judiciary that could be available as nominees for 66 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: this seat. So let's start there. So it's a relatively 67 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,839 Speaker 1: short list. Joe Biden has already promised that it's going 68 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: to be a black woman. Now, there are several different 69 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: angles associated with this. First of all, let's talk about 70 00:03:56,200 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: Briar's decision. This is an implicit acknowledgement that he does 71 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: not feel good about Republicans retaining the Senate in the 72 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: midterms coming up in twenty twenty two. Now, the Senate 73 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: is a lot more up in the air if you look, 74 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: and I'm kind of a political junkie, so you look 75 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: at all these different states and who's gonna win them. 76 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 1: Remember Democrats have the fifty fifty tie break right now. 77 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 1: But this is an implicit acknowledgement that he does not 78 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: like the odds there. And by the way, Mitch McConnell 79 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: told CNN, the Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell that there 80 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: was roughly a fifty fifty chance he thought that Republicans 81 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: would take back the Senate. So, in other words, it's 82 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: not the slam dunk that taking back the House appears 83 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: to be right now, even if you get a Republican 84 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: surge in the mid term. But this is a sign 85 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: that Democrats are not particularly optimistic about taking back the Senate, 86 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 1: and that might also be assigned Mitch McConnell's prediction that 87 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: he's trying to play down expectations as opposed to set 88 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: them too high. Also here, what is going to happen? 89 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: We saw what a and I want a curse, but 90 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 1: I'm not what a crap show? The Brett Kavanaugh commencement 91 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 1: Senate Judiciary Committee hearings were we saw not as much 92 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:14,359 Speaker 1: of a frakist surrounding Amy Coney Barrett. Certainly Gorsuch was 93 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: not as controversial either. What will this process look like? 94 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: Will Republicans be united in opposing whoever Democrats put forward? 95 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: If they are, then that would demand that Kamala Harris 96 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: as the President of the Senate the tiebreaker there vote 97 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: fifty fifty to break the tie and put someone onto 98 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. And there's gonna be a lot of 99 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: talk about this. Is there any possibility, given that his 100 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 1: criteria is he's going to put a black woman on 101 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court? Is there any possibility that this is 102 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 1: the exit strategy for Democrats to run away from Kamala 103 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: Harris as their presumptive takeover candidate for Joe Biden. Could 104 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:00,919 Speaker 1: they in some way put her on the Supreme Court? 105 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 1: Whether you can get into whether or not she's qualified, 106 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 1: she at least qualifies based on Biden's standard of being 107 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: a black woman. And then it turns into an interesting 108 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: question would Democrats oppose that or would they think, Hey, 109 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 1: you know what, I kind of like the idea of 110 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: Kamala Harris on the Supreme Court. Let's get her out 111 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: of the political equation in the same way. And could 112 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: Kamala Harris break the tie if Republicans were united against 113 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: her opposition and vote for herself to ascend to the 114 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: Supreme Court. So there are a bunch of angles here. 115 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: They had been a lot of pressure on Stephen Bryer 116 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: to step down. This would appear to be the only 117 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: Supreme Court seat that is likely to open for Joe Biden, 118 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: and it would maintain like you said, Buck, the six 119 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: to three situation in the voting power in the Supreme Court, 120 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: there will be less of a battle Royale over this, 121 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: just based on the fact that you're not taking somebody 122 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: who the left has come. You're not taking a seat 123 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 1: the left has come of you, as let's be honest 124 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: about this, built in for them and reliable as left 125 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: wing legislation from the Supreme Court as they can with 126 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: Sodamayor and for the most part, Kagan's a little less 127 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: so than Sodamayor and Brier up to this point, right, 128 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: so they know that this is going to go with 129 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: somebody who aligns with Brier. Who is I mean, I 130 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: think you'd argue this what the second most liberal probably 131 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: maybe Sodamayer Obviously Brier has a longer, a longer history 132 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: of opinions, but certainly a staunch leftist on the Court, 133 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: no question about it. I think Clay, if if we're 134 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: in the prediction game right now, you're right about Biden. 135 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: I mean, you're you know, you're stating a fact about 136 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: Biden saying he would nominate a black woman to the 137 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: Supreme Court. I think what we're going to see is 138 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: Democrats find a jurist. You know, I don't know who 139 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: was on the shortlist right now. I'm sure they have 140 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: one who is a black female, and I think that 141 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: that individual is likely to have radical left wing politics 142 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: through the the risom of a judges you know, judges bench. 143 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's going to be something that's absolutely 144 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: essential for them here. I think you will actually see 145 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: some Republican senators supported. I think you will see this 146 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: this judge get voted through with Republican support. I do 147 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: not think you will see a united front. There are 148 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: some members of the Senate on the Republican side who 149 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: will simply not vote against the first female black Supreme 150 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: Court justice. That's what I think is going to end 151 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: up happening here. I don't know. People might right now 152 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: and it's a wait, but it's about the credentials and 153 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: can you know absolutely but I think that remember, I 154 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:36,559 Speaker 1: think that there are some Republicans. I mean, guys, does 155 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: anyone really think Mitt Romney is Let's starts start to 156 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: look at some of the folks involved here. You think, 157 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: who's who's Ben sasas, who's Mitt Romney gonna be voting 158 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: for in this process? I will say this as as 159 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,319 Speaker 1: this is me putting my lawyer had on Supreme Court, 160 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: nominations were nowhere near the political show for almost the 161 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: entirety of our nation's history. In other words, the presumption was, 162 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: if you are the president and your party controls the Senate, 163 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 1: you should get the opportunity to put somebody on the 164 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: Supreme Court that you choose, presuming that they're qualified. Right. 165 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: We've had issues before where people have been nominated. Remember 166 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: George W. Bush tried to put Harry at Myers on 167 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: the Supreme people the right to be fair. Remember the 168 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: right turned on him on that. That's right? And I mean, 169 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: that's to me the standard right. You want to look, 170 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: there are all different sorts of people who can agree 171 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 1: or disagree with you. You know, every opinion that Justice 172 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 1: Clay Travis would would issue would be different than every 173 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,719 Speaker 1: opinion that Justice sotomay Ward would put out. Right. It 174 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:41,679 Speaker 1: doesn't mean, however, that because those opinions are different, someone 175 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: is not qualified to be on the Supreme Court. So 176 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: I don't know that when you know already that the 177 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: votes are there, clearly every Democrat's going to support it, 178 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 1: I don't know. It feels very much to me like 179 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: a charade to make a big deal of opposing someone 180 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: assuming that they are qualified, so much like what would 181 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 1: happened with Amy Coney Barrett. You know, that was one 182 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: of those situations, Buck where she was replacing Ruth Bader Ginsburg. 183 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: So you were flipping the power in a dynamic and 184 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: a large extent. And yet Amy Coney Barrett was so 185 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: eminently qualified, and I thought the Trump administration and McConnell 186 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: and everybody else did such a phenomenal job of rolling 187 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: her out. There was a terror on the Democratic side 188 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 1: really to attack her aggressively because she was a suburban mom, 189 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: because she was eminently qualified, and she kind of coasted 190 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: even though we were in the middle of a divisive 191 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: presidential election. And I feel like, if Biden puts forward 192 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: and I'm not an expert in all the possible nominees here, 193 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: I feel like, if Biden puts forward a nominee who 194 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: is within the scope of reasonableness, I don't think there's 195 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: much of a battle. Here's not you already know what 196 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: the end results. I think I think we're almost assured 197 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: there will not be a battle over this. Republicans don't 198 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: have the desire nor really much of the ability. I 199 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: also do believe, and mark my words on this, you'll 200 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:01,839 Speaker 1: get a few Republicans will be happy to vote for it, 201 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: assuming it's this is a jurist who fits the established 202 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: Biden criteria for diversity and inclusion, but also from a 203 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: from a legal legal background. But in terms of Amy 204 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: Coney Barrett, and they just couldn't have a bunch of 205 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: people show up who said Amy Coney Barrett sexually assaulted 206 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: me thirty years ago. Like that wasn't gonna work, right, 207 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: I mean, that's so, that's true, But I don't think 208 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: that they learned a lesson in terms of, oh, now 209 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 1: they're going to be less disgusting than they were after Kavanaugh. 210 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: They just couldn't run the same playbook. And they started 211 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: to try a little bit on some of the abortion 212 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 1: stuff with Amy Coney Barrett, but it didn't have the 213 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: same residence. They couldn't create service. They tried to say, 214 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: like she I think she's adopted a couple of minority children, 215 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 1: and there was they trotted out like the oh that's racist. 216 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: They were temporarily anti adoption on the left because of 217 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: Amy Coney but which was disgusting, But these people are 218 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: lu And then they realized that was blowing back on them, 219 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: and they knew that they needed suburban women in order 220 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: to have a chance to win against Trump, and so 221 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 1: they ran in the opposite direction. But here's the bigger takeaway, 222 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: buck as we go to break what's likely to happen 223 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 1: is for two years. Once if the Republicans take back 224 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,559 Speaker 1: the Senate, there's not going to be anybody confirmed to 225 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. So if there were another vacancy after 226 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: November of twenty two, there wouldn't be the votes in 227 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 1: order to get there. That's likely to be decided in 228 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:23,079 Speaker 1: twenty four, much like what happened with Scalia in sixteen. 229 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 1: If somebody dies or somebody has to step down after 230 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: twenty two, after the midterms, assuming that Republicans have control 231 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: no one, we could have a two year vacancy. Briar's 232 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: the one that is. 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We're talking about all the 268 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: craziness that's going on in the state of Virginia as 269 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: the battles over masks and CRT and more continue. We've 270 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: got Carry Lucas joining us now. She's the head of 271 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: the Independent Women's Network, A mom of five kids in 272 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: public schools in Virginia. Kerry, I've got a couple of 273 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: kids in public schools here in Tennessee. I went and 274 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: spoke out against masks back before the school year really 275 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: got rolling in August. I know you guys are continuing 276 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: to fight these battles in Virginia. What's the latest there. Yeah, 277 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: I hope you've had more success than and we have. 278 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting because obviously we've had this wonderful 279 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: new world where Governor Junkin comes in and really is 280 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: ready to stand up for a parent. On this first 281 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: day of office. Um, you know, he's he issued an 282 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: executive order UM that didn't rescind the mask mandate, but 283 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: immediately gave parents an opt out. You were supposed to 284 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: have the ability to opt your kids out of the 285 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: mask mandates, um pretty much. And that was supposed to 286 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: start this week. But some of the northern Virginia kind 287 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: of in transigent blue UM school districts pushed back. They said, no, Um, 288 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: there's a big lawsuit battle going on in the school board. 289 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: My school, the kids system that they're in UM has 290 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: said that any kid who tries to come to school 291 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: without a mask is getting suspended. And UM, you know, 292 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: I decided to make a point, got two of my 293 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: kids thrown out of school yesterday. So how old are 294 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: your kids? So you know I have my oldest is 295 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: sixteen and my little list is seven. Um. And so 296 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: I just went to our elementary school where the stakes 297 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: are pretty low and um too much smaller school, so 298 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: I have a good relationship with the um you know, 299 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: the teachers and the administration there, so UM, so it 300 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: seemed like the safest place to kind of do this pushback. Kerrie, 301 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: you shared a photo. I mean, it seems like this 302 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: is getting pretty tense, even at your own school. We're 303 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: talking about kids here, whether or not they're wearing masks. 304 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: Are there are their parents who are what are they 305 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: Are they going to call cops on people who don't 306 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: wear the mask? I mean, what is the enforcement mechanism here? 307 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: And are there other parents who are coming along to 308 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: your side of things more publicly than they have in 309 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: the past. Yeah. You know, it's really interesting because I 310 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: feel like the conversation we could be having today could 311 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: be entirely different if the Fairfax County Public School System 312 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: had just had a little faith in parents and in 313 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: kind of humanity. UM. It's so funny because when I 314 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: knew I was going to do this, and my grievance 315 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: is with um the school board, which is refusing to 316 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: give parents this option, and I know that my little 317 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: elementary school here is just following their orders. So I 318 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: went ahead the night before this was going to happen. Um. 319 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: The first day of school was Tuesday. For the kids 320 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: head off for some reason on Monday. So I sent 321 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: an email to the principle and said, hey, I feel 322 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,640 Speaker 1: strongly about this. I'm exactly I want to exercise my rights. 323 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 1: I know that you this puts you in an awkward position, 324 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 1: you know. I didn't want to blindside them. I was 325 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 1: very polite and said I would accept that they have 326 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 1: to suspend my kids. Um. Then the thing that was 327 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 1: so strange is, um, you know, I arrive at the 328 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: at the school in the morning with my two little 329 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 1: kids in tow and with a couple of friends, one 330 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: of whom was um, Um you know, a reporter for 331 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 1: the Daily Wire was coming with us. Um Luke, who 332 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: is an area um it lives real close to the school. 333 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: And I'm another woman, Osra Nomani, who filmed some of it, 334 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,360 Speaker 1: just so we had a record of what was happening. UM. 335 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 1: And there was a security guard there who was really 336 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: gave you the sense that they were expecting some kind 337 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: of trouble um, which is ridiculous because of course we 338 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 1: were just there um to have this conversation with our 339 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 1: our school. UM. It was very strange that they felt 340 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: the need to really treat us as if we were 341 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 1: hostile and couldn't be trusted. How long are the suspensions? Oh, 342 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: just for the day, um, you know, so they they 343 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: basically you know, it was interesting because you could tell 344 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 1: that the woman who who was in charge of the school, 345 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: of the of the school, the vice principal, I mean know, 346 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 1: she very much avoided You could tell she didn't want 347 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: to say that they were suspended. Um. And my conversation 348 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: with her was very cordial, but at the same time, 349 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 1: there was a and some of this is on tape 350 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: at um um Azo Nomani's substack where you can watch 351 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: this video where the security guard is really hassling especially 352 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 1: Um Luke, the reporter for the Daily Daily Wire who 353 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,160 Speaker 1: eventually wrote a story on this, telling you to get 354 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: off the sidewalk, and really treating him as though you 355 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: know that he didn't have a right to be there, 356 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:35,679 Speaker 1: which seemed very strange and just crazy. Um. And so 357 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:37,679 Speaker 1: that's what made the story and the funniest part was 358 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 1: the security guard at one point pulled down the mask 359 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 1: to bark at some of my friends and this Um 360 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: and Luke and um and they said why do you 361 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: need to pull your mask down? He's like, well, I 362 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 1: can't talk through it, and we said, exactly right, that's 363 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: why we're here, Carrie. I just this is a part 364 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 1: of this. Explain that the governor comes in, he's the governor, 365 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: right and up. I live in New York, and so 366 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:02,199 Speaker 1: I've had to just, you know, accept the stupidity of 367 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: whether it was the former mayor to Blasio or the 368 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 1: former or now current governor, whether it was Cuomo or Hocal, 369 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: you know, their their order was was treated as law 370 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: when it comes to things like masking. So Youngkin comes in, 371 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: he changes things. But there are school districts that are 372 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: just saying, no, that is that what's happening, because that 373 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: seems kind of crazy. Yeah, it seems lawless. It's it's 374 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: absolutely and you know, we're being told that we should 375 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 1: sit back and wait and that the courts, the Virginia 376 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: Supreme Court is going to sort out who has the 377 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 1: authority here. But I agree, I see no reason why 378 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: the default should be that my school boards get to 379 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 1: continue to to really cram down this this mask or 380 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 1: this mask requirement on our kids, which again, you know, 381 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,360 Speaker 1: this would allow parents who wanted to mask, to continue 382 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: to mask their kids, but to give us some freedom 383 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 1: from this absolutely ridiculous, ridiculous rule at this point. But yeah, 384 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: I mean we were. I don't understand why why it 385 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: is that Fairfax County Public Schools has this authority when 386 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: this EO is in place, it hasn't been and been 387 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: stayed Kerry. So here's my question. I'm obviously a parent 388 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: who is a complete in agreement with everything that you're doing. 389 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: I'm also a lawyer, So my thought is, every day 390 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: that you show up without your kids wearing a mask, 391 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 1: they suspend you for that day. Is that theoretically what 392 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,719 Speaker 1: the policy would be. Well, yeah, I mean that's yes, 393 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 1: that is that is what the policy is. So my 394 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,439 Speaker 1: kids did go back to school today. I didn't, you know, 395 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: they missed so much time with online school last year 396 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: that I didn't want to keep them out. But yeah, 397 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,919 Speaker 1: one reason why I went there yesterday because I wanted 398 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: them to have to enforce this kind of to go 399 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: through with it, because if no parents kind of objected, 400 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: then there wouldn't be any harm being caused, and I 401 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 1: didn't think we would be able to or no, you know, 402 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: actionable harm where now my kids were barred from having 403 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 1: an education yesterday, and yeah, so I've options open. I 404 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: think if I did want to, Well, that's what I'm 405 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: saying from a legal perspective. At some point, if you 406 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 1: are defying, and I'm just working through the law here, 407 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,919 Speaker 1: if you're defying as school board the governor of the 408 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: State of Virginia's regulations to allow parents to choose whether 409 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 1: their kids wear masks, and if they are effectively standing 410 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: in the schoolhouse door to use a historical analogy, and 411 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,120 Speaker 1: barring your children from being able to enter yours or 412 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 1: other children, then you would have a very strong case 413 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 1: legally to immediately go to court and say this policy 414 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: that is being implemented by this Northern Virginia school district 415 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 1: is not permissible under the law. So I would hope 416 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: you and or other parents are going to seek or 417 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 1: address because they specifically barred your children, you have evidence 418 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: of it occurring from entering school and getting an education 419 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: in direct contravance of the rule of the governor. Like 420 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: that is a pretty clear cut case. I would think, Yeah, 421 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 1: I hope so. And you know, it's funny, because I 422 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 1: hate this kind of thing. I think that it's it's 423 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 1: so frustrating, but here we have it's not only just 424 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 1: that this school is refusing on that either using my 425 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: tax dollars to put their own lawsuit against the governor. 426 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 1: You know, they were hiring security guards to harass us yesterday. 427 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: They had a pr flak there to make sure that 428 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 1: you know that people couldn't listen to me have this 429 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 1: very polite conversation with this on this woman who is 430 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: suspending my kids. It was they're so wasteful and hostile 431 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: that you're right, absolutely, there's there are people speaking about 432 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: the potential for a lawsuit, and we're going to see 433 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: how this all plays out. Carrie Lucas, everybody, thanks for 434 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 1: being with us from the Independent Woman's Forum. Great to 435 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: have you, and good luck in this fight because it's 436 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,719 Speaker 1: very important. Great, thanks so much for having me on. 437 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: All right, thanks so much, Clay. I gotta say, you know, 438 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 1: I just wanted to get that on the record there 439 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: because they're just saying no now, like they don't have 440 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 1: the power anymore. People have thrown out their lunatic lib governor. 441 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 1: They don't have the right to do this, and schools 442 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 1: are just saying no. This is there standing in the 443 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:00,919 Speaker 1: schoolhouse door, this is George Wallace style overmasks. They're not 444 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 1: allowing parents who don't want their kids to wear masks 445 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,679 Speaker 1: to get an education. And I'm gonna share Carrie's Twitter 446 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: handle so you guys can if you're in Northern Virginia 447 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 1: you're listening to us, I'll share that online at Clay Travis. 448 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: She was fantastic. More props to her and other parents 449 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 1: for standing up against this. This is crazy. Getting some 450 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 1: more of the latest from Fauci and others coming up. 451 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 1: You're listening to Clay Travis and Buck Sexton on the 452 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:41,959 Speaker 1: EIB Network Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show here flying 453 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 1: by today. Thanks for being with us eight hundred two 454 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 1: eight two two eight eight two. I'm gonna go to 455 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: clanbuck dot com. If you missed our interview with Alex 456 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 1: barretson yesterday. If you want to see Fox News dot 457 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: com did a story on something I said yesterday. We 458 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: posted up at clanbuck dot com and then Clay was 459 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 1: on I think Kennedy last night. So a lot of 460 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: stuff that we're doing out there. You can go to 461 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,199 Speaker 1: the one stop shop clayanbuck dot com. All right, we 462 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 1: have some calls to get to you, but first though, 463 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: I set this one to a clay A team last 464 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: night Canada. You know, the same way that I've said, 465 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: we have to come up with a tagline. If if 466 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 1: Australia has turned into East Germany with Kowalas, then I 467 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 1: feel like, you know, Canada has has turned into you know, 468 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: the Gulag with maple syrup or something. I mean, they've 469 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:30,160 Speaker 1: definitely gone nutso up there over over COVID. And this 470 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 1: is this is one of the more extreme, one of 471 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,880 Speaker 1: the more extreme things that has come out from this 472 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 1: is from a Canadian news broadcast. Let's telling you this 473 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: is a real thing. They now want to have people 474 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 1: who are unvaccinated followed by a store employee to make 475 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: sure they only are allowed to buy in the store 476 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 1: food and pharmaceuticals. No furry hat for you, none of 477 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: that mountee garb allowed or whatever they're gonna buy. I 478 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 1: don't know, I'm doing some Canada stuff here. This is 479 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,159 Speaker 1: what they say today. Big box stores that have a 480 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,679 Speaker 1: footprint of fifteen hundred square meters or more are going 481 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: to have to ask people customers to show proof of vaccination. Now, 482 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: pharmacies and grocery will be exempt from this. So if 483 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: you're going into a Costco or a Walmart or something 484 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: like that, where you might be going in to buy 485 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 1: groceries or visit the pharmacy. In that case, an employee 486 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: will have to be with that person as they walk 487 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: through the store to make sure that they do not 488 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,880 Speaker 1: go and buy other products or other items that might 489 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: be in the store. So, Clay, that's going to be clear. 490 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,919 Speaker 1: If you're a Canadian who's unvaxed, you can go into 491 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 1: a Walmart and you can buy a ham sandwich. They'll 492 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: allow that because you know, the virus is like whoa, 493 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,199 Speaker 1: You're just buying a ham sandwich, but you reach for 494 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: a pair of warm wool socks for those cold Canadian winters, 495 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: They're gonna have to throw you right out. This is 496 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: unbelievable to me. Okay, so I'm unvaccinated. This is in Quebec. 497 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 1: That's a big that's a lot of people. Right if 498 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: I was able to sneak across the border into Canada, 499 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:04,159 Speaker 1: because I don't even know if I can get in 500 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 1: the country right now. I'm vaccinated, But if I were there, 501 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: I could go in Like I go into Costco. I 502 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: don't shop a lot. It's probably not gonna shock you, buck. 503 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: But I'm not a big shopper, all right, So I 504 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 1: go to like Costco, and I go to Amazon, and 505 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 1: that's almost exclusively where I buy. I occasionally go to 506 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 1: the grocery store. Okay, that means if I go into Costco. 507 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 1: One of my favorite things to do at Costco is 508 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: go buy the book section. You know, they have the 509 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 1: tons of books and they're usually pretty cheap. Like I 510 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 1: would have a minder with me in Quebec who would 511 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: disallow me to look at the books while I was 512 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 1: in Costco and would shut me back to another aisle. 513 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: Like I couldn't buy tennis balls, I couldn't buy a 514 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: toy for my kids. I couldn't buy a book or 515 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 1: a jacket to have someone with a high My name 516 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 1: is Phil button On slapping your hand as you try 517 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,360 Speaker 1: to pick up a copy of White Fragility, not allowed, sir, 518 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 1: Like imagine this, you are pushing your cart. I don't 519 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,199 Speaker 1: know if they would let you use a card or not, 520 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 1: but let's presume you're gonna be able to push a cart, 521 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: and what this minder would like tackle your cart and 522 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 1: think about how crazy this is. The minder would disallow 523 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: where you could push the cart inside of a costco, right, 524 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 1: because if you're if you're familiar with costco, god forbid, 525 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: you're not getting any samples either, by the way, But 526 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 1: if you're familiar with a costco, they intermix lots of 527 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: different products. So you're talking about going down an aisle 528 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: and they might have cereal, but they might also have 529 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: I don't know, like batteries, not too far from the cereal. 530 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 1: Right that batteries are impermissible. This is proposal for morons. 531 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: You're already breathing if you're if you're expelling covid, which 532 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: we all are when we're infected, regardless of vaccination status 533 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 1: or not. But if you're expelling COVID, it doesn't matter 534 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 1: if you grab, you know, a sweatshirt to go with 535 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,880 Speaker 1: with your with your cracker jacks or whatever. I mean, 536 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: this is the dumbest, but this is what happens. They 537 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 1: just keep doing stupid things, and they pretend like they're 538 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 1: not stupid, and they act like we're anti vax and 539 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: we're bad people. What I'm so fascinated about this, too, 540 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 1: is where do you draw the line in what is 541 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: an acceptable product? Right? So, like oranges, you could clearly 542 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 1: get what if you want to get paper towels? What 543 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: if you want to get like some sort of cleaning 544 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,719 Speaker 1: agent for your home is toilet paper? Can like what 545 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: is the line between acceptable food product and maybe connected 546 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 1: to food product in some way? I think one thing 547 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: we all have to remember through this, and you see 548 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: it so much with the language about the unvaccinated, which 549 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 1: by the way, now is you're unboosted. You're effectively treated 550 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: as you're not up to date. According to Rochelle Wellenski, 551 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 1: you're the unvaccinated. The apparatus of control and fauciism has 552 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 1: to have people to blame, and has to have outlets 553 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: for the anxiety of the sheep that listen to all this. 554 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: So they have to set up these endlessly annoying, stupid 555 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: and useless rules so that the people that are breaking 556 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: the stupid rules are the problem. They actually turning us 557 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: against each other with this all the time. This is 558 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: the same thing you see on the airplanes. You know, 559 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,239 Speaker 1: I know they are the airline attendants that don't want 560 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: to enforce the mask rules, but everyone's anxious because they 561 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 1: got these masks on. They're all annoyed. We all should 562 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: recognize how stupid. This is even the CEO of the 563 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: airline is like, look, we've got a filtration system. You 564 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: really don't need masks on the plane. And yet people 565 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 1: are upset. So what do you do. Do Do you want 566 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: them upset at the dumb rule? You don't want them 567 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,719 Speaker 1: instead of the dumb rule. You want them upset at 568 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 1: people for breaking the stupid rule. And this is how 569 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: they've turned society against itself and why the unvaccinated our 570 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 1: public enemy number one in fauci Land. This reminds me 571 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: buck in the first moments of the lockdown, My birthday 572 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: is April six, so everything is locked down pretty much 573 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: around April six. I don't remember the official first day 574 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: that we shut down for fifteen days to stop the spread, 575 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 1: but it was around the time when my birthday happened. 576 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 1: Somebody knocks on the door. Well like, oh, it's interesting, 577 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: who is it? I go open the door. This is 578 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 1: when they were making a big deal about essential versus 579 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: non essential business and what was allowed. Remember, as much 580 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: as we're making fun of Canada right now, Governor Whitmer 581 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 1: had like crime scene tape up in stores, were like 582 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: you weren't able to go to certain parts of the store. 583 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: You could only down, sir. Yes. So I opened the 584 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: door and it's somebody standing there with cupcakes, cupcake delivery, 585 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: Gig's cupcakes, Great cupcakes. I said, wait a minute. They're like, hey, 586 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: happy birthday. Somebody ordered you cupcakes. And I said, you 587 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: guys are considered an essential business. And she said, yeah, 588 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:36,239 Speaker 1: cupcakes are an essential business. Cupcake store was allowed to 589 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: stay open and deliver to the homes that were locked 590 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: down cupcakes. That was an essential business. Many of you 591 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: out there listening weren't considered an essential business. Sometimes you 592 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: need a cupcake, do you know? By the way, also, 593 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 1: ice cream didn't shut down. You could go stand in line. 594 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: They were physically open. Every ice cream store America was 595 00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 1: an essential business. Oh, that's definitely the case to get. 596 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 1: You're warning us about something that's coming out, tell us, well, 597 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 1: I know, since you guys are such huge fans of 598 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: the Good Doctor Fauci, I didn't want you to miss 599 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 1: an opportunity to get a preview of the documentary it's 600 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: supposed to be released. I think this fall is coming 601 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 1: out from National Geographic and Disney, but there is a 602 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 1: free online viewing of it tomorrow. It's a live stream 603 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 1: starting at six o'clock Eastern, and you can watch it 604 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 1: on demand starting at eight fifteen, and that's till the 605 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: thirty four. And now I can start, Thank you Lizith. 606 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: Now I can start my writing campaign, Clay, my signing 607 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 1: of the petition to have the correct title for this, 608 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 1: which would be doctor Anthony Fauci, the biggest healthcare failure 609 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: of all time. How about the fact that Fauci had 610 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: time to do a documentary during COVID, but he claimed 611 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: that his schedule was too busy to come on our 612 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: show for ten minutes. I mean I could do Fauci's 613 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 1: here right now, Clay. The Israel data because of the 614 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 1: mask and mitigation and blobbity blot could be worse, it 615 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: could be better. I don't you know. There we go. 616 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: We've had It's the same thing, every day, same nonsense 617 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: all the Someone who can get access to Faulci, who 618 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: listens to this show, just ask him about Israel. Somebody 619 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: in the entire media industry, grill employase, just one you're 620 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 1: listening to, Clay Travis, said Buck Sexton fund the EIB network. 621 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 1: Why should Americans care about what's happening in Ukraine? Because 622 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 1: it goes to a very fundamental principle of all nations, 623 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: which is that our borders should be inviolate, that our 624 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 1: sovereignty should be respected. Sovereignty should be respected. That was 625 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: the Deputy National Security Advisor to buy the regime yesterday. 626 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Clayton Buck Show. Just want to point 627 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 1: out sovereignty is really import when it is five or 628 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: six thousand miles away in a country that is not 629 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 1: America and is not even close to America, that's very important. 630 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: And if we have to send troops, you know, the 631 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 1: Biden regime wants you to know. We got to send 632 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 1: a whole lot of missiles. I'm seeing the photos of 633 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 1: more Javelin anti tank missiles. Remember Obama administration actually refused 634 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 1: to send Ukraine Javelin anti tank missiles too provocative. Trump 635 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: came in because he's such a Russian stooge, and sent 636 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 1: Javelin anti tank missiles, dragging off sniper rifles and other 637 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 1: lethal munitions to Ukraine. And now we're sending a whole 638 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: lot more, it seems in the Biden regime's preparation for 639 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: the possibility of invasion here. But it is fascinating, isn't it. 640 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 1: Sovereignty is important for Ukraine and Clay. We have an 641 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 1: obligation and again I'm speaking from the Biden regime point 642 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 1: of view here, an obligation to take risks and perhaps 643 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 1: even blood and treasure spa to protect Ukraine's sovereignty. God forbid, 644 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 1: but that could end up happening here. But our sovereignty 645 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 1: A couple one hundred thousand people coming in illegally every month, 646 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:13,359 Speaker 1: a massive wave of illegal migration that the Biden administration 647 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 1: is essentially waving into the country. Every state turning into 648 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,759 Speaker 1: a border state because they're putting them on planes. They're 649 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 1: flying them from you know, they're flying them from McAllen 650 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 1: and from El Paso and from wherever to New Jersey 651 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: and New York and California and Illinois. And you sit 652 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 1: there and say, wait, so everyone else's sovereignty is important, 653 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: but our sovereignty is racist. I guess that's what we're 654 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 1: told racist. Not only that the media will actually cover 655 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 1: the Ukrainian border issues and not cover the United States 656 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,360 Speaker 1: border issues. I keep coming back to the Biden pressor 657 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 1: because it's such a clear window into what media focus 658 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 1: is on. Think about how many questions we got surrounding 659 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 1: Ukraine and how many questions we got about the border. 660 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,439 Speaker 1: We didn't get a single question about the murder rate, 661 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,279 Speaker 1: which is skyrocketed in this country. I saw a data 662 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 1: point out largest US cities buck up forty four percent. 663 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 1: The murder rate is since twenty since twenty nineteen, So 664 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty we were up thirty percent. We were 665 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 1: up again in twenty twenty one, such that we are 666 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,920 Speaker 1: up forty four percent since then. We didn't get a 667 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 1: single question about murder. We didn't get a single question 668 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 1: about the border. And what that says to me compared 669 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 1: to all of the obsession that is there with Ukraine 670 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 1: is very often the media's focus is far outside of 671 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,240 Speaker 1: the scope of what your average person is thinking about. 672 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,760 Speaker 1: So I'm glad to live in a place like Nashville, 673 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 1: because I think sometimes you get seduced by whatever your 674 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: environment is. If you're in New Yorker, LA, where there's 675 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 1: lots of media, you know what people ask talk about here, 676 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 1: inflation being up massively, masks on their kids in school, 677 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,600 Speaker 1: They talk about whether or not they feel safe being 678 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,839 Speaker 1: able to go out into cities. All of those things 679 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,760 Speaker 1: are what is going to decide the election in twenty 680 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 1: twenty two. Whatever happens in Ukraine is unlikely to be 681 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 1: a major story, but for the fact that, much like 682 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:21,360 Speaker 1: Afghanistan buck it can reinforce the overall perception, which is 683 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:27,239 Speaker 1: accurate of incompetence. Usually foreign affairs don't dictate local domestic politics. 684 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,799 Speaker 1: But when those foreign affairs, like what happened with Afghanistan, 685 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 1: reinforces a level of incompetence that resonates with all of 686 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 1: the issues that are going on today, with inflation and 687 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,959 Speaker 1: the murder rate, and the border failures and everything else 688 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 1: COVID failures that are going on. That's when it has 689 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,239 Speaker 1: a significance. And I think that's what's happening right now. 690 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,359 Speaker 1: I think we've learned a lesson over the last twenty years, 691 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,840 Speaker 1: not just about why we don't want to be building 692 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 1: other societies thousands of miles away for other cultures and 693 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 1: other groups of people that are not America. I think 694 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,400 Speaker 1: we've learned that lesson in ways that I can barely 695 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,880 Speaker 1: begin to express here on this show right now. But 696 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,239 Speaker 1: everyone knows what I'm talking about a rock Afghanistan. But 697 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 1: beyond that, you know, one of the things, one of 698 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 1: the aspects of Trump's populism that really caught on initially, 699 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 1: was this revolutionary idea at the time of focusing that 700 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 1: the government of the American people should focus on the 701 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:27,320 Speaker 1: interest and protection of Americans first. That was all of 702 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:28,600 Speaker 1: a sudden, it was like, wait, wait a second, what 703 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,400 Speaker 1: do you mean, don't we have to ask the UN 704 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 1: for permission before we think about Americans? I mean, don't 705 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 1: we have to go to the IMF and wonder what 706 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,759 Speaker 1: our domestic policies or maybe we could have some UN 707 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 1: observers for our elections to tell us how to really 708 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,800 Speaker 1: do it. The rejection of that ideology was one of 709 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 1: the key factors in Donald Trump's rising to what they 710 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,080 Speaker 1: thought was the impossible win in twenty sixteen. Right, and 711 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,480 Speaker 1: still the Trump movement continues on, and we may very 712 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 1: well have another Trump presidency going forward, as we know. 713 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,759 Speaker 1: But that's something that I think you've seen. The so 714 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,319 Speaker 1: called intelligentsia a word taken from the Russian by the way, 715 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,719 Speaker 1: if people learned about the original Russian intelligentsia, that have 716 00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,440 Speaker 1: a very different feeling about what they actually are all about. 717 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,840 Speaker 1: But anyway, conversation for another day. You could see Cliff 718 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,719 Speaker 1: had some late nights reading about pre Soviet Russia. It's very, 719 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,360 Speaker 1: very instructive about our current times with authoritarianism, the democrats. 720 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:20,719 Speaker 1: You're one of the only people in America reading about 721 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,359 Speaker 1: pre Soviet Russia in any part of your day other 722 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:28,120 Speaker 1: than like Russian history profession somewhere. I do think to 723 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,879 Speaker 1: the point on Ukraine, when we went into Afghanistan, there 724 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,840 Speaker 1: was at least the argument directly connected to nine to eleven, 725 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,680 Speaker 1: we're going in to advance American interests because these people 726 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,920 Speaker 1: attacked us. If we could go back in time, the 727 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,760 Speaker 1: right time to leave Afghanistan, in my opinion, and declare victory, 728 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:52,040 Speaker 1: which would have been a much stronger American foreign policy perspective, 729 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 1: was right after we killed Osama bin Laden. If Barack 730 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,600 Speaker 1: Obama I bet had it to do all over again, 731 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,760 Speaker 1: that's a clear line of demarcation. We went into Afghanistan, 732 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,840 Speaker 1: we have caught all the people responsible for attacking our country. 733 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,520 Speaker 1: Now we're going to leave. It would have avoided the 734 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:12,200 Speaker 1: disaster that Biden got there. But with Ukraine, right now, 735 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:16,320 Speaker 1: the American public, the narrative of why we should care, 736 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 1: there's no connection there, and so the idea of going 737 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,600 Speaker 1: in with American interest associated with Ukraine, I think doesn't 738 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,359 Speaker 1: pass the smell test for most Americans who are even 739 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:32,600 Speaker 1: more skeptical after the failure in Afghanistan, after we went 740 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,560 Speaker 1: into Iraq on the presumption of weapons of mass destruction. 741 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,720 Speaker 1: This was another thing that Trump was willing to talk about, 742 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,600 Speaker 1: which was almost verboten in Republican politics. It was, Hey, 743 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,279 Speaker 1: I don't think the decision to go into Iraq was 744 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 1: the right one, Remember, I mean, that was the revolutionary 745 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,040 Speaker 1: thing for him to say that. I think a lot 746 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:55,120 Speaker 1: of people responded to that connected this idea of American exceptionalism. 747 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,120 Speaker 1: Let's focus on America. We don't need to be the 748 00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:01,439 Speaker 1: world's police. We have a republic in a conservative base 749 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:05,200 Speaker 1: in this country, you know, roughly age let's call it, 750 00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,960 Speaker 1: you know, twenty to forty five, Well, twenty would be 751 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:10,800 Speaker 1: a well until recently we were still in Afghanist but 752 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,400 Speaker 1: let's say roughly twenty to forty five. We have a 753 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:16,080 Speaker 1: conservative base of people who and and maybe my math 754 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:17,680 Speaker 1: is a loaf, you could say, into their fifties. But 755 00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,399 Speaker 1: I'm talking about over the last twenty years, we've had 756 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:26,400 Speaker 1: people that have experienced the realities of in over active 757 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:31,839 Speaker 1: and overreaching foreign policy. From the smartest minds in DC 758 00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,080 Speaker 1: by the way on a bipartisan basis, Republican and Democrat. 759 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,920 Speaker 1: But the people that are listening to this now who served, 760 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,879 Speaker 1: the millions of Americans who served in those countries, I 761 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,200 Speaker 1: think saw a reality up close and personal in the 762 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,720 Speaker 1: most and the clearest possible ways of what it means 763 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,839 Speaker 1: when you take the conversations about sovereignty and universal human 764 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,240 Speaker 1: rights from a think tank near you know, near Capitol 765 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,200 Speaker 1: Hill or in Foggy Bottom and turn it into we're 766 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,120 Speaker 1: going to send a bunch of other people to fight 767 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,560 Speaker 1: a war in a far off country and we're not 768 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:07,000 Speaker 1: exactly entirely sure what not only the mission is going 769 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:08,759 Speaker 1: to be in the end, but why we're there in 770 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,200 Speaker 1: the first place. I mean, certainly the case of a 771 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,840 Speaker 1: rock that's been the conversation, and with the extension of 772 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,239 Speaker 1: the Afghanistan mission too, So I think that's this is 773 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:20,640 Speaker 1: why I'm pretty confident that the American people don't want 774 00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,040 Speaker 1: anything in Ukraine. Clay don't want us to be in 775 00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,320 Speaker 1: Ukraine in any way that would get us involved in 776 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,879 Speaker 1: that conflict. But it goes back to initial point about 777 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:29,520 Speaker 1: what does the show us about the Biden regime. I mean, 778 00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,799 Speaker 1: they're floundering, yes, and they're they're having real problems. And 779 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,640 Speaker 1: one way to get the country mobilized behind you if 780 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,319 Speaker 1: you can pull it off, if you look back at 781 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:41,319 Speaker 1: the realities of our past, have a war somewhere, and 782 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:45,360 Speaker 1: that's what really concerns me. We know you love freedom 783 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:46,880 Speaker 1: and want to defend it. It's one of the reasons 784 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,680 Speaker 1: we're together every day on this show. And we know 785 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,680 Speaker 1: you love the Constitution too, that has defined our freedoms 786 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,640 Speaker 1: and helped distinguish our nation as the beacon of hope 787 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,279 Speaker 1: for so many people worldwide. 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