Speaker 1: I always look like I just rolled out of bed,
Speaker 1: and I there's people like, like you said, Rider, like
Speaker 1: the bad head hair is like people try to achieve
Speaker 1: that look. I literally just do nothing. So I'm glad
Speaker 1: of that actual look.
Speaker 2: Well, I shower, but I.
Speaker 1: Shower because I work out. Showering used to be a
Speaker 1: much bigger thing.
Speaker 3: Okay, So when you say do nothing, mean actually I
Speaker 3: take a shower.
Speaker 1: I mean, but then I just dry my hair with
Speaker 1: a towel and I don't like put anything in my
Speaker 1: hair or comb my hair or do it.
Speaker 3: The definition of doing nothing is very different than mine.
Speaker 3: Like if I literally getting out of bed and doing nothing,
Speaker 3: I am doing nothing.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so no, I showering used to be a
Speaker 1: much bigger thing in my life. Now it's just rinsing off,
Speaker 1: which is just like the worst thing ever. Like what's
Speaker 1: the point because it's with the pointless The showers should
Speaker 1: take forty five to fifty minutes, you should read it.
Speaker 1: It should be relaxing so much.
Speaker 2: That's why that doesn't do it. That's why I'm angry.
Speaker 1: Now take exactly well, it was more than one cigarette,
Speaker 1: and my two showers now take a total of like
Speaker 1: twelve minutes for both showers and it's just the worst.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm always in this mood now too, because
Speaker 1: I don't have the full shower anymore. I don't have
Speaker 1: an experience of being back in the womb, which is
Speaker 1: what I think it is.
Speaker 4: Frankly, Yeah, the showering is womb like for you. I
Speaker 4: mean it is true that the I'm just currently obsessed
Speaker 4: with modern street style, which is you can wear your
Speaker 4: pajamas as pants. That's totally fine. You could wear borderline slipper.
Speaker 4: Look at you rocking.
Speaker 2: It like you? Okay this I was gonna say, you
Speaker 2: wear your slippers out of the house. Will.
Speaker 4: The way you are dressed right now is as a
Speaker 4: young cool. You're dressed as a young cool.
Speaker 1: Wheat.
Speaker 4: Now, I'm not saying you are a young cool, but
Speaker 4: you are dressed like a young cool. If you were
Speaker 4: to go to any like any outdoor place where there
Speaker 4: are shops and cools, sure, a boba shop.
Speaker 3: But will you never would go out like this? Would you?
Speaker 5: I'd go out?
Speaker 2: I'm sure I would lodge bread like that. Yeah kah, yeah,
Speaker 2: yeah like that.
Speaker 3: I don't think I could not.
Speaker 1: I can't go out, no problem.
Speaker 2: You can't go out in sneakers.
Speaker 3: No, I can. I'm joking, but I prefer not to because.
Speaker 2: You feel underdressed for life and sneakers.
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely absolutely, I mean.
Speaker 2: Not a pegged writer is the fancy one between the
Speaker 2: three of us, I.
Speaker 3: Know, But I like, right, why not to explain that?
Speaker 2: I just because.
Speaker 4: Because you live under the tree in the woods and
Speaker 4: not shower for three weeks if you had your druthers right, yes,
Speaker 4: but like to go to the grocery store, You're like,
Speaker 4: I need a scarf, a leather jacket and some necker chiffery.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to do that.
Speaker 3: And because do you guys ever look at like old
Speaker 3: film like.
Speaker 4: Sne This is like my papa, My papa, who is
Speaker 4: ninety nine and a half, would be like, have you
Speaker 4: ever seen the way we used to get dressed to
Speaker 4: go on a plane. It's an abomination these kids today.
Speaker 3: Jun what anybody else does. I don't care what anybody
Speaker 3: else does. I just when I see that, I'm always like, yeah,
Speaker 3: like you know, we're like another jacket or a texture
Speaker 3: or something.
Speaker 1: It's true. And not to get with again talking about
Speaker 1: the much older people. But my mother in law, she
Speaker 1: was ninety three when she passed away, And she used
Speaker 1: to always say that when everybody dressed a certain way,
Speaker 1: they acted a certain way. So when everybody dressed up
Speaker 1: to go on an airplane, there was kind of a
Speaker 1: respective being of the travel and being on an airplane.
Speaker 1: And yeah, that kind of seems to have gone away.
Speaker 1: I understand that. That's why, you know, there's the school
Speaker 1: uniform or debate back and forth about you know, should
Speaker 1: kids be forced to wear the school uniform that kind
Speaker 1: of thing. So I get that, you kind of, but
Speaker 1: they also say, dressed for the job you want. And
Speaker 1: the job I want is to sleep for a living.
Speaker 1: So I'm dressing for the job I want. I'm listening
Speaker 1: to them, but so far nothing.
Speaker 3: It's so funny because like when I think about the nineties,
Speaker 3: you know, like so much like my mentality back then
Speaker 3: was like, don't care about what you wear.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's what drink.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, but but it was so obviously carry more
Speaker 3: than if I actually write, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Like if I actually like bought clothes that fit me
Speaker 3: or like, which I thought was like taking too much effort,
Speaker 3: but in reality I cared so much more about what
Speaker 3: I looked looked like because I had to make it
Speaker 3: look like I didn't care what I.
Speaker 4: Looked for right exactly, you were like it was like
Speaker 4: the perfectly faded grungey enough tea or is this true
Speaker 4: crisp and is this flannel worn in enough?
Speaker 2: Or of these jeanes big enough?
Speaker 3: I think so, I mean, I don't know, like I guess,
Speaker 3: I just I mean, in some ways it was a
Speaker 3: cop out, like I could just get way with wearing
Speaker 3: the same like three pairs of Jenko jeans over and over,
Speaker 3: as I didn't care. But like, yeah, I think, I
Speaker 3: don't know. It wasn't healthy, Like I definitely did not
Speaker 3: have a Like I think it's really healthy to have
Speaker 3: a clear sense of your own style of how you
Speaker 3: want to present in the world and whatever that is,
Speaker 3: whatever that is, just be comfortable and confident in that,
Speaker 3: you know, do you remember it always was insecure, like
Speaker 3: how much always miserable about the way I looked.
Speaker 1: How much ish We used to give Matt Lawrence for
Speaker 1: dressing up nicely to come to work and he looked great,
Speaker 1: had a style, and we were like, why can't you
Speaker 1: just be relaxed? So if then he came in one
Speaker 1: day with a wrinkled T shirt on and we were like.
Speaker 3: Hey, we made that. We were making fun of him.
Speaker 3: We were just talking. We were all talking about each
Speaker 3: other's style one day and we we had you were
Speaker 3: you were into categorizing everybody, if I remember. So, you
Speaker 3: were like, you're this type of guy. You're that type
Speaker 3: of guy. Like you still do e when you call
Speaker 3: me creepy professor. So yeah, whatever the fact that you've
Speaker 3: said something about me. And then you said to Matt,
Speaker 3: you said, and you're a pretty boy, and he was
Speaker 3: like what does that mean. I was like, well, you
Speaker 3: you care about how you dress? And he was like
Speaker 3: I don't know. And we were like, Matt, because and
Speaker 3: to be fair, Matt spent a lot of money on
Speaker 3: clothes back yes, but he looked great. He does not
Speaker 3: he looked great. But he would go shopping a lot
Speaker 3: with his family and spend a lot of money. And
Speaker 3: he never wore the same clothes twice. Like that's what
Speaker 3: I remember. It's like if you saw it. So we
Speaker 3: were like, Matt, you just don't wear like a T
Speaker 3: shirt and jeans. So the next day he came in
Speaker 3: with like designer jeans, like the perfectly ripped oh yeah,
Speaker 3: five hundred dollars jeans and a T shirt that was
Speaker 3: just like slightly wrinkled, and we're in He's like, hey, guys,
Speaker 3: and we were like, Matt, that's not it, and you know,
Speaker 3: we just wouldn't let him off the hook. And then
Speaker 3: we caught him later taking the steamer to.
Speaker 1: A set steam ironing the T shirt.
Speaker 3: He took off his clothes. It was steam ironing in
Speaker 3: the wardrobe. We were like, see, Matt, you couldn't do it.
Speaker 3: You couldn't even make it a day.
Speaker 1: He was ahead ahead of all of us by actually
Speaker 1: having a style.
Speaker 3: But of caring about fashion.
Speaker 1: Yea, I found something because we've talked about it several times,
Speaker 1: and I thought you'd want to see this. The original.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 2: There it is the original John Adams High School Athletic
Speaker 2: department sweatshirt you kept.
Speaker 1: There it is. It's perfectly ripped, like you know the eighties.
Speaker 3: That's not right.
Speaker 2: You cut that? You cut that?
Speaker 1: I think, so I think you're right. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: I probably at the time did cut that. And then
Speaker 1: it's just wow, that's great. This is also one of
Speaker 1: my gauges of where I am weight wise, because sometimes
Speaker 1: this fits and sometimes it does not. So yeah, it's
Speaker 1: but it's still have it.
Speaker 2: I just dressed like a juggalo and I love it.
Speaker 1: What's a juggalo?
Speaker 2: Juggalo? You know one of those people who likes the
Speaker 2: insane clown posse.
Speaker 1: No, okay, I'll just say you mispronounced jiggalo. I'll be
Speaker 1: honest with you. I was like, what's a juggalo.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like a movement, right, It's like a
Speaker 3: whole like political movement. Or is it just people that
Speaker 3: like their music. I don't know, it's a it's a
Speaker 3: whole thing. I don't I don't really get into the
Speaker 3: weeds of God. You just you know so much about
Speaker 3: so much, Daniel do anything. We're the iHeart Concert. You're like, oh,
Speaker 3: so and so so and so so and so like
Speaker 3: reality TV show stars obviously, musicality TV.
Speaker 6: It all. Ye yep.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't know who anybody is. I know
Speaker 3: who Sabrina Carpenter is because she played my daughter. Like
Speaker 3: that's literally the only reason I know who she is exactly.
Speaker 1: I feel the same way.
Speaker 4: Oh well, welcome to Pod meets Old People. I'm Danielle Vishel,
Speaker 4: I'm right or strong, and I'm a juggalo. I will
Speaker 4: oh Man I am really excited about today's episode.
Speaker 2: And guys, we have some big, big announcements.
Speaker 3: First up, are you in Los Angeles and want to
Speaker 3: see us in person?
Speaker 1: But more importantly, do you want to see mister William
Speaker 1: Daniels aka the Phoeneest of all Phoenees in person?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 4: Join us on November seventeenth at the Orpheum in Los
Speaker 4: Angeles for a very special Pod Meets World Live where
Speaker 4: Bill Daniels will be joining us and.
Speaker 1: Some other surprise special guests, but as stated, those are surprises.
Speaker 3: Tickets and meet and greets are available now at Podmeetsworldshow
Speaker 3: dot com.
Speaker 4: And don't forget about Chicago November thirtieth at the Chicago
Speaker 4: Theater and we can announce now we will be joined
Speaker 4: by Anthony Tyler Quinn aka mister Turner.
Speaker 2: That's going to be a special one.
Speaker 3: Some other cities as well, New Orleans on December eighth,
Speaker 3: Atlanta on December ninth, Durham, North Carolina on December tenth,
Speaker 3: and Dallas and Austin in January.
Speaker 1: It gets are available now at Podmeetsworldshow dot com.
Speaker 2: And we've got some new merch.
Speaker 1: We released three new shirts this month and we love
Speaker 1: them all.
Speaker 3: We have the ensorcell shirt celebrating our favorite word and
Speaker 3: apparently the best way to make women do anything you
Speaker 3: want on Boy Meets World. That's a deep cut.
Speaker 1: But our two newest we heard your demands and we
Speaker 1: have a Property of John Adams High School shirt and
Speaker 1: hoodie for the podcast department and it's available now, a
Speaker 1: way to wrap the school and the pod at the
Speaker 1: same time. Those are going to sell like hotcakes.
Speaker 2: And we finally did it. We made the Shan shirt.
Speaker 3: That's right, the T shirt we talk about all the
Speaker 3: time where it looks like Atlas holding a heart and
Speaker 3: I wore it for like three seasons straight. We've replicated
Speaker 3: it and it's available now. Oh I cannot wait.
Speaker 4: To wear that big day for pod Meets World. Go
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Speaker 4: Go to Podmeets worldshow dot com now. And for this
Speaker 4: very special episode, we are going to do something a
Speaker 4: little different and I am going to pass over introduction
Speaker 4: duties to mister Ryder Strong.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, wow.
Speaker 2: Are you ready? Writer? How do you feel?
Speaker 3: I'm okay, yeah, find my notes, okay, okay, yeah, this
Speaker 3: is going to be interesting, guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm thrilled.
Speaker 3: All right, here's my attempt at an intro. Okay, Today,
Speaker 3: we continue a journey that we began when Danielle's mom,
Speaker 3: Jen Fischer joined us on the show, and that is
Speaker 3: specifically the journey of discovering just how much teenage Rider
Speaker 3: thought that all parents were soul crushing fascists. Now we
Speaker 3: go behind the scenes of his delusion and meet the
Speaker 3: poor parents who had to put up with him. Like
Speaker 3: Corey Matthews, Linda Warner Strong grew up in suburban Philadelphia.
Speaker 3: Like Sean Hunter, King Arthur Strong and yes that is
Speaker 3: his real name, grew up with very little money in Altoona, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3: The two of them met at penn State University, where
Speaker 3: she refused to believe that that was his real name
Speaker 3: until he showed her his ID. They both moved separately
Speaker 3: to San Francisco, where they reunited and fell in love
Speaker 3: while spending six months riding a motorcycle to Alaska and back.
Speaker 3: They then bought a piece of land in a redwood
Speaker 3: forest and proceeded to build a home entirely on their own,
Speaker 3: starting with digging a pool and making a hot tub
Speaker 3: out of an olive oil tank. They decided to have kids,
Speaker 3: raise them in the woods and make sure that they
Speaker 3: also had unusual names. King was a captain in the
Speaker 3: Marine Corps who piloted a four Skyhawks in Vietnam. Then
Speaker 3: he was a lieutenant in the San Francisco Fire Department
Speaker 3: for thirty years. Lynn was a nutritionist who taught at
Speaker 3: the Santa Rosa Junior College until quitting her job to
Speaker 3: manage her two sons burgeoning acting careers. Even though neither
Speaker 3: of them had any experience in the arts or entertainment industry,
Speaker 3: they offered constant, unwavering support, both emotionally and practically, for
Speaker 3: their two sons to follow their dreams onto the stage
Speaker 3: and eventually to the screen. Their little back to the
Speaker 3: Land project in northern California has expanded into a beautiful
Speaker 3: home nestled among some giant trees. It's their private paradise
Speaker 3: where their son Rider doesn't visit enough, and where they
Speaker 3: welcome anybody with open arms, provide copious amounts of food, wine,
Speaker 3: and love. Please welcome my parents, Lynn and King Strong.
Speaker 2: Yay, what a beautiful introduction. It sounded a little bit
Speaker 2: like a mad lib. They're just their lives are so interesting.
Speaker 4: It was like, look at these mad libs.
Speaker 1: And I'm just going to take that and just use
Speaker 1: the same thing whenever my dad or my mom are on.
Speaker 1: It's just attorney Gary Fredell, attorney out of a hot tub,
Speaker 1: out of olive oil. Yeah, just get easy.
Speaker 3: All right, Let's see how that technology goes.
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Speaker 5: with you a new series. I'm launching a companion podcast
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Speaker 5: hear more information on these cases, as well as never
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Speaker 4: Oh my god, you guys look fantastic.
Speaker 2: It's so good to see you both. Thank you so
Speaker 2: much for agreeing to do this. Guys, we're so happy
Speaker 2: to have you both.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's funny to see you all once.
Speaker 3: So these guys are longtime listeners at least my dad, right, Dad,
Speaker 3: you listen to every episode of part Yeah.
Speaker 7: Listen to some, but I have I haven't heard them all.
Speaker 2: Why have you not heard them all?
Speaker 3: In you love your son?
Speaker 8: I do it at double speed everything. I listened to
Speaker 8: a Double Speed and it's so I get through a
Speaker 8: lot every morning. I got to do stretches and then
Speaker 8: while I doing that, I get through a couple of
Speaker 8: episodes or I sot to other things so much too too.
Speaker 6: You know, like like what got this universe and stuff
Speaker 6: like that.
Speaker 3: Danielle official and double Speed sounds terrified.
Speaker 1: It's amazing, isn't it.
Speaker 3: It's just like twelve year old Danielle.
Speaker 8: It is.
Speaker 2: It's like twelve year old Danielle for sure.
Speaker 4: It's funny because I also listen on Double Speed to
Speaker 4: do the edits and uh, if you when then I
Speaker 4: want to make an edit, I go have to go
Speaker 4: into one time, you know, just regular speed.
Speaker 2: And after that then it's.
Speaker 8: So sometimes what's going on here?
Speaker 6: Talking so slow and I have to get back some
Speaker 6: of the wheels.
Speaker 4: So I want to I want to start a little
Speaker 4: bit just I'm gonna let writer, you know, kind of
Speaker 4: guide where he wants to take this interview. But you
Speaker 4: have we have your gorgeous home in the background, and
Speaker 4: I want to talk a little bit about the home
Speaker 4: that you guys built from scratch by yourselves and what
Speaker 4: that process was like for you.
Speaker 2: How many years ago was it that you built the house.
Speaker 6: Now almost fifty Yeah, well.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we want We wanted to move in right before
Speaker 7: a Rider was.
Speaker 4: Born, and he was born in seventy nine, as everyone
Speaker 4: knows everyone else.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so we moved in, but it's still we didn't
Speaker 7: have cabinet covers or yeah, but we had a roof and.
Speaker 6: So we moved in. Her dad helped with the building
Speaker 6: more than anything.
Speaker 8: So the two of us basically building and it was
Speaker 8: it was a hass little bit.
Speaker 6: It was fun. It was really fun. He's the greatest
Speaker 6: guy I worked with in my life.
Speaker 8: Everything come really nice. But we moved in without having
Speaker 8: you know, like you said, the cab has done.
Speaker 6: A lot of things that are here now were built
Speaker 6: after we moved in.
Speaker 3: But it's yeah, I was gonna say, it's really never
Speaker 3: been done. The house is.
Speaker 8: Still being Next week the elevator comes in.
Speaker 6: Although it was just listened to a program.
Speaker 8: I can't remember what it was about how you shouldn't
Speaker 8: use elevators when you get to this sage you keep
Speaker 8: moving that stopped you from the hundred years of life
Speaker 8: or something. It's about the interviewed all these people throughout
Speaker 8: the world who have lived over one hundred years and
Speaker 8: why they lived over that period of time. It's because
Speaker 8: they didn't stop moving. As long as you're moving, you're joining.
Speaker 8: Don't tighten up, you don't get lazy and just sit
Speaker 8: all these people who just made to one hundred and
Speaker 8: three hundred and.
Speaker 6: Ten or something like that. It's incredible. It was really good.
Speaker 8: But anyhow we read that just or listen to that
Speaker 8: just last couple of nights ago, sow In elevator supposed
Speaker 8: to use it will really like it.
Speaker 4: Yes, and and I couldn't agree with you more that
Speaker 4: continuing to move. But you guys also live on such
Speaker 4: beautiful property. You can get outside and move on mostly
Speaker 4: flat ground. The potential for injuring yourself on stairs far
Speaker 4: outweighs the benefits of walking when you can do flat
Speaker 4: ground walking.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you're true. Sometimes absolutely.
Speaker 1: Now, my my mother in law used to always say,
Speaker 1: if you're resting, your rusting, So I thought that was
Speaker 1: that was interesting.
Speaker 4: It sounds like, well, as you guys know, Writer has
Speaker 4: been painted as sort of a Jack Carawhac brooding artist type,
Speaker 4: this young literature major.
Speaker 2: So even when he was a preteen, he was that way.
Speaker 4: I have to ask right off the bat, what was
Speaker 4: it like raising a young writer strong?
Speaker 8: This guy was so sharp, but you know, really early
Speaker 8: on realized intelligence he was and it was going some
Speaker 8: particularly get into the programs to the show. That's where
Speaker 8: it kind of threw me because there's so much he
Speaker 8: was doing there and yet listen to podcasts. Is what
Speaker 8: my amazing to me, how much I did not know
Speaker 8: that you guys are experiencing. And Writer particularly he told
Speaker 8: some of the stuff, but then he wanted it off
Speaker 8: the show. And it was like, early on, why'd he
Speaker 8: want off the show? But he had his reasons, and okay, we.
Speaker 6: Went off the show. We'll get off the show.
Speaker 8: And actually we talked about that because he was so
Speaker 8: anxious to get off and see the girl that he
Speaker 8: was dating.
Speaker 2: More important thing.
Speaker 6: Do you have, Mari?
Speaker 8: Yeah, okay, that's the most important to you, so you
Speaker 8: can break the contracts, the big deal. Yeah, kind of
Speaker 8: changed his mind about that. But as far as his
Speaker 8: brilliance that I am aware of, I seem to.
Speaker 6: Be recognized that really early.
Speaker 7: He's always even that's a little little type he was.
Speaker 7: I felt he had an old soul. Yeah, that's yeah,
Speaker 7: he has an old soul. Yeah, he's like an old
Speaker 7: man in this tiny little lot he had with wisdom
Speaker 7: and the intelligence that was pretty mind boggling.
Speaker 6: Actually, I was getting embarrassed.
Speaker 4: Where do you think writer in Shiloh's like performative and
Speaker 4: artistic nature came from. Do either of you have any
Speaker 4: sort of performance bone in your body? Or either of
Speaker 4: you would you consider yourselves to be performative or artistic?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 6: No, But but we were stake at one time. I
Speaker 6: felt like I was, but that was.
Speaker 7: More and I'm crafty. I knit and do.
Speaker 6: Pottery, drawings and paintings.
Speaker 7: But we did videos. We early on when writer was
Speaker 7: about what were you writer to or three?
Speaker 3: I was two? I think, yeah, and that was where
Speaker 3: did that come from? Because Dad, you just bought a
Speaker 3: video camera. You were like one of the best first vhs.
Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, right, yeah, Well your mother had always took
Speaker 6: a course.
Speaker 7: I took a when I was in graduate school. I
Speaker 7: took an elective of filmmaking. So we used to what's
Speaker 7: it called super eight, you know, and had to edit
Speaker 7: and do little things. So I knew you could how
Speaker 7: you could edit certain ways. And so so we had
Speaker 7: writer and Shiloh become in their story that they made up.
Speaker 7: They become cowboys. But then they turn around and we
Speaker 7: stopped the camera. They become get into their superhero outfits
Speaker 7: and get on the same spot and as they turn
Speaker 7: around and they magically become superheroes.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's it.
Speaker 3: That's the moment visual effects. Yeah, please tell me you
Speaker 3: still have this somewhere. Do you have this video Great
Speaker 3: Toy Caper, The Great Toy Caper, and you have it? Yes,
Speaker 3: they just showed into some of these. I haven't seen
Speaker 3: them in years, but the Great Toy Caper was the
Speaker 3: first one. I was like two and a half. Shiloh's
Speaker 3: like three or four. And I mean, what I love
Speaker 3: about these videos now is and then, like I said,
Speaker 3: I haven't seen it a while, but like, my parents
Speaker 3: are like always the bad guys or like, and they
Speaker 3: are so committed and they would, you know, they like
Speaker 3: they would do this this particular story. They were stealing
Speaker 3: tolleys from the sandbox and so they wore bags over
Speaker 3: their head and they play these bad guys and they're
Speaker 3: all like, and it is and then my grandparents are
Speaker 3: get involved.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 8: It was a family everybody even yeah, even your grandmother.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: We would spend all day making these movies. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: and they were inspired by whatever. Like Shiloh came home
Speaker 3: from school one day he had created some robot character
Speaker 3: at school. So then remember we made Dracula meats Robot
Speaker 3: one twenty six or whatever, and it was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: and my dad played a mad scientist who built a
Speaker 3: child because their son died. I died, right.
Speaker 6: The story.
Speaker 7: Good So that you know, the boys were exposed to
Speaker 7: being on a camera, very arrowly on and it was
Speaker 7: always a fun story that we told, which was it
Speaker 7: was their stories. They're the ones that wrote them.
Speaker 8: Yeah, they made up the ideas that we just had
Speaker 8: the fun doing the editing stuff.
Speaker 1: But I love how you you were wondering if you're like,
Speaker 1: I guess I'm kind of artistic. And then you're talking
Speaker 1: about making films as a family over and over and
Speaker 1: over again.
Speaker 3: That's incredibles. By the way they would edit, they my
Speaker 3: mom would play piano, they'd add music like these were
Speaker 3: like you know, they were working and that's the thing
Speaker 3: they was all. It was like basically, my brother and
Speaker 3: I were always being told that like whatever we imagined,
Speaker 3: the family was willing to spend days making a reality
Speaker 3: out of which is just like that's the greatest gift
Speaker 3: you can give, Like I want to be a little filmmaker.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, this is important and let's learn the
Speaker 3: skills to figure it out. So, yeah, you guys are
Speaker 3: incredibly creative. You also both are musically gifted. Dad, you
Speaker 3: can sing really well. Mom you play the piano. Like
Speaker 3: you guys have lots of artistry. Yeah, you just never
Speaker 3: had it in your lives, Like you never made a
Speaker 3: career out of it. Right, But Dad also does stained glass.
Speaker 3: You can see a little bit of the stained glass
Speaker 3: behind him. He did these stained glass windows all throughout
Speaker 3: the house.
Speaker 4: I love the staying somedays I remember them from your
Speaker 4: house yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: But the correlation is kind of interesting between making a
Speaker 1: film and building a home. I mean, you're building something from.
Speaker 3: Scratch that's artistic.
Speaker 1: Whether it's something like building a home or making a film,
Speaker 1: you're still starting with nothing and creating something amaze. So
Speaker 1: I mean, the the artistry just in building the home,
Speaker 1: it is there in itself. So yeah, I love to
Speaker 1: hear you guys are both searching for like, well, I
Speaker 1: guess we're kind of artistic people. As you're sitting in
Speaker 1: the home you built by hand, talking about the films
Speaker 1: you were making Unrenewable.
Speaker 4: So how did you then tackle the concept of entering
Speaker 4: Hollywood like without any real connections and in a small
Speaker 4: little town that you live in.
Speaker 8: That was because Sharlow and Ryder were taking hacking lessons
Speaker 8: and one of the antient Asian an Asian contacted the
Speaker 8: leading person in the acting class and said, do you
Speaker 8: have anybody that can go for audition?
Speaker 6: Audition for what it was for?
Speaker 7: And so so we videotaped, we got the side, so
Speaker 7: we video and and we got they got screen tested.
Speaker 7: They were down to five kids in the nation, five
Speaker 7: little boys, and two of them were horse They flew
Speaker 7: as they flew us down to Los Angeles. We met
Speaker 7: Warren Baby.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 7: Kids went in and they didn't get the part. They
Speaker 7: had no idea what we were doing. The limousine picked
Speaker 7: us up.
Speaker 3: The limos all we cared about you guys were and
Speaker 3: then yeah, you guys are just you were like trying
Speaker 3: to explain who Warren Baby was and we just could
Speaker 3: could not.
Speaker 1: Ye.
Speaker 3: We were hoping because at that point Madonna was attached
Speaker 3: to the project, and that's all I remember, being like, oh,
Speaker 3: maybe we'll meet Madonna.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is this is for Charlie corsmost part.
Speaker 3: Wow, yeah, kid kid.
Speaker 7: The first audition they ever did, they were screen tested
Speaker 7: on and so then after that we were getting agents
Speaker 7: and who knew that saying hey, we you know, do you.
Speaker 3: Guys remember what we did? Then when we went into
Speaker 3: the audition, like how green and naive we were.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you were through the pages or something trying to.
Speaker 7: So they went off, they went off, they improved.
Speaker 3: How old were you writer? At nine? Okay? So Warren
Speaker 3: Batty started trying to improv with me, and I thought
Speaker 3: I was the first kid in the audition, like out
Speaker 3: of the kids there, and I thought, oh, I have
Speaker 3: the wrong pages NIGHTM well, that's written on my script.
Speaker 3: You know, I've been reading for like four years, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm doing something wrong. And then, like an idiot,
Speaker 3: I come out and tell the entire waiting room they
Speaker 3: were saying lines that weren't on the script. They wanted
Speaker 3: us to make them up on the spot. So then
Speaker 3: all the other kids were totally prepared.
Speaker 2: Oh man, I took one for the tea you took.
Speaker 4: So then how did you guys deal with that rejection
Speaker 4: when neither of them booked it?
Speaker 2: How did they handle it? And how did you guys
Speaker 2: handle it?
Speaker 7: How did you handle it? Rider?
Speaker 6: We did didn't any to us.
Speaker 7: It was just exciting adventure and yeah, you just got
Speaker 7: to go in a limo and me orange Baby, I.
Speaker 1: Mean so cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember thinking it was It was an.
Speaker 7: After that we had the uh. They auditioned for Lemiz
Speaker 7: for the live performance in San Francisco, and Ride was
Speaker 7: booked that day. Charlotte was on a wait list to
Speaker 7: see how tall, so he was a couple of months
Speaker 7: later he auditioned again, but Bridan was booked right away.
Speaker 6: Was too tall, but it had grown too much.
Speaker 3: So they measured us every week on Lima's Yeah, they
Speaker 3: were a kid on stage.
Speaker 1: So what was that like having to bring rider because
Speaker 1: I you know, when we you do live stage, obviously
Speaker 1: the schedule is grueling. So what was that like having
Speaker 1: to shuttle him back and forth from San Francis Go
Speaker 1: because you're you guys are what an hour hour and
Speaker 1: a half outside.
Speaker 7: Of the store and a half?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 7: There?
Speaker 3: And was that every day.
Speaker 6: Six days a week, one one day off?
Speaker 9: But uh, well you know Matt das two days performance, Yeah,
Speaker 9: Wednesday and Saturday.
Speaker 7: But there was you know, what do you call curtain
Speaker 7: call at the end, they had a standing ovation every
Speaker 7: night and Writer, you wanted to stay for that, you know,
Speaker 7: it's thrilling And that was at eleven fifteen at night.
Speaker 7: Oh so then we had to drive home there, so
Speaker 7: it was crazy.
Speaker 2: What do you remember most about his stage debut?
Speaker 7: I I remember the audition. He yeah, we were practicing
Speaker 7: what we're going to what we were going to sing,
Speaker 7: and Writer changed his mind I think right before we
Speaker 7: got in there to sing the Battle Hymn of the
Speaker 7: Republic instead of like, I forget what he was supposed
Speaker 7: to do. But anyway, and then you they had him
Speaker 7: crawl across the stage singing the song.
Speaker 3: Right because Cavarro has to die on stage. Yeah, so
Speaker 3: I haven't seen.
Speaker 1: It, so thanks spoiler alert.
Speaker 3: Have you never seen mish? We talked about this, we
Speaker 3: haven't seen it yet. Yeah. So Gavroche has this this
Speaker 3: like like rousing theme song about how little people know
Speaker 3: and little people find it. It's actually been completely cut
Speaker 3: down the latest edition, which is a disaster. In the
Speaker 3: original play, he had this whole song and then he
Speaker 3: runs across He jumps over the barricade to go get
Speaker 3: bullets because he's quicker and smaller than any of the
Speaker 3: other like adults, and get shot. But he has to
Speaker 3: like sing his He's singing his like song while he's
Speaker 3: getting shot three times. It was a great yeah, and
Speaker 3: so what for my audition? They were like I sang
Speaker 3: the battle him in the Republic, and they're like, now
Speaker 3: sing it, but you're dying and you're crawling across stage.
Speaker 3: Whenever I pointed to you, you get shot and you
Speaker 3: have to keep singing, which is you know basically, And
Speaker 3: I of course loved it.
Speaker 7: I remember though, because I had gotten new clothes for
Speaker 7: you to go. You were worried that it got old
Speaker 7: dusty from the stage because you had to crawl across
Speaker 7: the Oh.
Speaker 2: You were like, sorry, mom, my clothes got dirty.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but that was it was exciting though. It was
Speaker 7: an exciting time.
Speaker 3: After two and a half years.
Speaker 2: He was cheating while you were pregnant. Were pregnant? Yeah,
Speaker 2: about thirteen women. More like if I would have stayed
Speaker 2: married to Max, I think you would have cheated forever.
Speaker 6: It was.
Speaker 2: It was just toxic relationship.
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Speaker 4: Were you ever worried that both of them being in
Speaker 4: entertainment as actors would create competition between the two of them?
Speaker 6: Sure, oh yeah, yeah, because they are going through the
Speaker 6: same part sometimes.
Speaker 7: Yeah, because they're only eighteen months apart, so they were
Speaker 7: constantly auditioning for the same part.
Speaker 8: But we're both working on the TV series at the
Speaker 8: same time too. That's like the complicated. But luckily I
Speaker 8: had a job as a firefighter and I was able
Speaker 8: to trade days so I could be Like when even
Speaker 8: Rider got a movie in the New Mexico, New Mexico. Yeah,
Speaker 8: and I was able to trade a couple of weeks
Speaker 8: to go there for that. I can't remember the name
Speaker 8: of the movie.
Speaker 3: You remember, writer, The Long Kill. It was a TV Yes, yeah.
Speaker 6: This is why you're still on Boy Meets World too.
Speaker 6: I think.
Speaker 3: No, that was before Boy was before Boy. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you and I spent like three weeks in New Mexico together.
Speaker 3: I just remember playing cards constantly, and yeah.
Speaker 2: What card games? Did you play?
Speaker 3: Egyptian Rat? You taught me that.
Speaker 2: You taught me that game game.
Speaker 3: I don't remember it now, but I a great way
Speaker 3: to kill time on a set with your dad when
Speaker 3: you're eleven years old.
Speaker 7: We uh.
Speaker 3: Pile you have to like slash to slap the pile
Speaker 3: and you have doubles. I think you can call it
Speaker 3: Egyptian Rat screw it but whatever, Yeah, or Egyptian War.
Speaker 3: But yeah, my dad and I played that, and yeah,
Speaker 3: we just had I remember, we had a great time.
Speaker 3: And we went and saw the The Cliff Dwellings and uh,
Speaker 3: you know, I had had a lot of downtime because
Speaker 3: I was a very small part in this movie. But yeah,
Speaker 3: and then I went to Australia for a job with
Speaker 3: you mom. Yeah, yeah, they took turns and then my
Speaker 3: brother would be like, Charlotte was off doing movies in
Speaker 3: North Carolina. A bunch of.
Speaker 7: It was. It was crazy.
Speaker 1: Do you remember hearing about then and Boy Meets World
Speaker 1: came up? Was this just another another one in the
Speaker 1: long line of auditions or did you think that maybe
Speaker 1: this was going to be special? I mean, do you
Speaker 1: remember hearing.
Speaker 3: About the show?
Speaker 6: Nothing about it.
Speaker 8: It was just it was any other audition, and it
Speaker 8: was surprising that there was lasted seven years.
Speaker 6: That was incredible.
Speaker 8: But it was such a good show right from the
Speaker 8: beginning that you knew it was going to last. But
Speaker 8: then Ryders part got bigger and bigger scenes.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I listened to you guys your podcast.
Speaker 8: I'm amazed how much I didn't know when all behind
Speaker 8: the scenes and what you guys did it is amazing.
Speaker 2: I know my mom says the same thing.
Speaker 4: My mom's like, man, I feel like I feel like
Speaker 4: I knew it all, She's like, And then I realize
Speaker 4: we all think we know it all because we just
Speaker 4: have our own little POV.
Speaker 6: You're right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7: Well, but you know, at least those moms were.
Speaker 2: There all the time, exactly.
Speaker 1: I know my parents still ask what a podcast is,
Speaker 1: so a little bit a little bit different. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but mom, you were there for the first really the
Speaker 1: first three seasons consistently, right, Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: So what was that like for you?
Speaker 7: Uh, you know, initially it was very exciting me and
Speaker 7: everybody and seeing, yeah, how it all works. But it
Speaker 7: got boring very quickly.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly.
Speaker 7: You didn't have I mean, you weren't being paid to
Speaker 7: be there, you know, so it was you know, but
Speaker 7: it was a job and I was supposed to stay
Speaker 7: within sight and sound of my child kind of thing.
Speaker 7: But he was in school and I knew he was
Speaker 7: fine in the school with David Combs and Wesley and
Speaker 7: uh so I got to read a lot of books.
Speaker 7: Initially I was happy about because when you have when
Speaker 7: you're raising boys out in the country, you never have
Speaker 7: time to read a book.
Speaker 3: So that was that was nice.
Speaker 7: I was able to catch up with reading a lot
Speaker 7: of biographies.
Speaker 6: That's all. I remember. Many times I spent there was
Speaker 6: just reading a book. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean it's such a sacrifice for you, you know, like
Speaker 4: you could have with those days, you could have been
Speaker 4: working you could have been doing, you know, anything else
Speaker 4: you wanted to do for yourself, but instead, for no money,
Speaker 4: you're sitting on a set literally quietly doing nothing.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 4: Thankfully you liked to read, so you got to accomplish
Speaker 4: you know, you got to read a lot of books,
Speaker 4: and I know you got you know, for my mom,
Speaker 4: you were a real source of knowledge and wisdom because
Speaker 4: you guys had been in the industry certainly for a
Speaker 4: lot longer than we had, and my mom looked up
Speaker 4: to you so much, and my mom has such fond
Speaker 4: memories of spending time with you on set.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what was the set of Boybet's World like in particular?
Speaker 6: Mom?
Speaker 7: What was it?
Speaker 6: What?
Speaker 3: What was the set of boy Meets World like as
Speaker 3: compared to other sets or like the group of people,
Speaker 3: the cast, the crew to Crown?
Speaker 7: Okay, I the one that really stood out for me
Speaker 7: was that you had done a guest spot on Home
Speaker 7: Improvement and I think they were right next door. Yeah,
Speaker 7: but anyway, but you were there for one or two weeks.
Speaker 7: In fact, it was a Halloween which they were getting
Speaker 7: nearby there. But the three kids, the three boys that
Speaker 7: were on Home Improvement, they were being yelled at I was.
Speaker 7: I was upsetting to see how they treated them, you know.
Speaker 7: So I really appreciate the fact that the whole of crew,
Speaker 7: everybody in Boy Meet's World, they respected you as actors
Speaker 7: and professionals. And I never remember anyone ever yelling or
Speaker 7: degrading to any of you. So that was that was.
Speaker 7: I was very impressed with how well they treated you
Speaker 7: as as and treated you like professionals that you were.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know that the Home Improvement Boys have talked
Speaker 4: about that. I heard things about that set that where yeah,
Speaker 4: the kids there were treated like second class citizens basically
Speaker 4: friend and not actors or you know, other professionals. So
Speaker 4: I'm sure that was quite a change where Boy Meets
Speaker 4: World definitely felt more like a family environment.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, oh yeah, and very professional.
Speaker 3: How's the thing. Yeah, Boy Me World was just sort
Speaker 3: of an inversion and that the kids were. I mean
Speaker 3: it was called boy right, I mean it was built
Speaker 3: around band. It was like the show started with the kids.
Speaker 3: The adults were cast around him essentially, you know. So, yeah,
Speaker 3: there was no there was no avoiding the fact that
Speaker 3: the show only existed for child actors.
Speaker 6: Yeah, good point, that's true.
Speaker 8: It's just like the one child that was on the
Speaker 8: mommies who was so far towards them the good parts,
Speaker 8: But it wasn't like the kid's story. So on the
Speaker 8: last of two seasons that was.
Speaker 3: Chilte was just like making out with a girl on
Speaker 3: the couch every week, right, And how is that different?
Speaker 1: Then by season three or four with you yeah.
Speaker 2: Girl and che exactly, that would be literally an.
Speaker 3: Extent in his part. It was like a recurring joke
Speaker 3: that he was just always laying on the couch making
Speaker 3: girl and like that was his entire world.
Speaker 8: Flipping Berg is as joineder or something really yeah, yeah,
Speaker 8: something weird like that.
Speaker 1: Now, did you ever worry about the kind of you know,
Speaker 1: we we've heard about. It was mostly in the in
Speaker 1: the eighties, so we weren't there. We were coming up after.
Speaker 1: But did you ever worry about Rider or Shiloh falling
Speaker 1: into the young actor trap of you know, what Hollywood
Speaker 1: could do with clubs or going out and partying or
Speaker 1: any of that stuff. Was that ever a concern in
Speaker 1: any way?
Speaker 6: No, never thought touched together kids, No, it was never something.
Speaker 7: Well, we all also made a point to fly home
Speaker 7: every week, and we literally live in a redwood forest
Speaker 7: right up here in northern California, and I just always said,
Speaker 7: I want to I want to keep them grounded in
Speaker 7: the redwoods.
Speaker 2: Yep. So yeah, and that's that's really smart.
Speaker 4: You can limit the exposure and limit the downtime in
Speaker 4: the environment. And and even if you're going to have
Speaker 4: a very hands off approach in the redwood forest, you know,
Speaker 4: you know what's out there. At least it feels a
Speaker 4: little it feels like you have a little bit more
Speaker 4: control then you do.
Speaker 3: I mean, kids might get stabbed, but that's not.
Speaker 2: Exactly that can happen.
Speaker 1: But no, that's true. I mean I think that's one
Speaker 1: of the most dangerous combinations of a young child actor
Speaker 1: is a lot of money and a lot of time,
Speaker 1: and so you put those two things together and sometimes
Speaker 1: it's not a great combination. So yeah, I think we
Speaker 1: all kind of avoided that that hole, which is great.
Speaker 1: But I know that one of the things that made
Speaker 1: me feel so good, especially one time, Lynn, was that
Speaker 1: I knew that you started to really trust me, uh
Speaker 1: with hanging out with Ryder because we were going somewhere
Speaker 1: and You're like, I don't want to go here, just
Speaker 1: take the Previa, and you tossed me the keys to
Speaker 1: your car and you were like, you just take them,
Speaker 1: let's go. And I had everybody in the car. They
Speaker 1: were just driving your car around. I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: this is good. She trust me, now, this is awesome.
Speaker 1: So I remember that. Yeah, I remember feeling good about that.
Speaker 7: You were the older, you know, the elder in the groups.
Speaker 2: That was so great.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we lived initially, you Will and Rider and Child
Speaker 7: and I were all in Oak Woods.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Lee and Lee Lee. Yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So as Rider got a little bit older, he ended
Speaker 4: up being on the cover of every teen bop mag
Speaker 4: magazine you could possibly think of. What was that like
Speaker 4: for you as parents to see your son be a
Speaker 4: teen heart throb?
Speaker 6: Felt good about it.
Speaker 7: But I still have a whole chest with drawers full
Speaker 7: with all those magazines pictures.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 7: So I did collect them. I did, you know, I'd
Speaker 7: go and buy the magazine and see what they had
Speaker 7: to say.
Speaker 8: Niece had to take care of, niece had to take
Speaker 8: care of so much, it was incredible.
Speaker 6: That's right. My cousin Alicia, Yeah, Alicia, Yeah, she came
Speaker 6: up to call over. It was really nice. So much work.
Speaker 3: What do you don't all the letters.
Speaker 4: Right, she read all of them, and that's when you
Speaker 4: then started doing the headshots with the printed autograph, right,
Speaker 4: So you would get a headshot sign one of them,
Speaker 4: and then they would make copies of it.
Speaker 6: And you do too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we all did that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to, you need to.
Speaker 6: There's just a bit much. I wouldn't want to do
Speaker 6: it myself, that's for sure.
Speaker 4: And so king did anybody at the fire station, like
Speaker 4: what did your friends think?
Speaker 2: In your small little town? You have these two kids.
Speaker 4: That that strike it kind of big in Hollywood, Like,
Speaker 4: you come from this tiny town and you have two
Speaker 4: very famous young men in your family.
Speaker 2: What did people say to you?
Speaker 3: Did that?
Speaker 2: Did people know?
Speaker 8: Yeah, they knew, but I can't remember being anything special.
Speaker 2: They just didn't care.
Speaker 7: Say to this day. Asked about what's weird? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 7: when we got the fireman's ball, yeah.
Speaker 6: The fire department.
Speaker 8: Yeah, those guys were really impressed for some reason. Yeah,
Speaker 8: I think locally, I don't of course, right here country,
Speaker 8: what's local? You don't have all these people around you family.
Speaker 3: It's like a fifteen min drive to the town of Sebastopol,
Speaker 3: which is a town of seven thousand people. That's a
Speaker 3: that's that's a drive away.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So yeah, but writer, our podcast has made local press.
Speaker 4: We've been in your paper. I imagine you were probably
Speaker 4: in the local paper back then too, No.
Speaker 3: You know, I mean I think it goes back to
Speaker 3: the idea that like no one really cared. Nobody cares
Speaker 3: because we were kids show. So yeah, we were sort
Speaker 3: of flying under the radar at home. Like I remember
Speaker 3: just I would go home and like Insanoma County basically
Speaker 3: feel invisible, Like I felt like a totally normal.
Speaker 2: Which is one of the reasons you loved it.
Speaker 3: We wanted to.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's why we came home every weekend.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, if anything, when I ended up at the
Speaker 3: high school I ended up at, which is you know,
Speaker 3: a very alternative, you know, out in the woods, hippie school,
Speaker 3: Like if anything, I got made fun of for being Hollywood,
Speaker 3: you know, like if if I dressed, if I cared
Speaker 3: about how I looked, if I if I I ever
Speaker 3: had product in my hair, and it was like just
Speaker 3: pure mockery. I remember my teacher calling me out, like
Speaker 3: talking about consumerism and and how how ridiculous and like
Speaker 3: somehow he found out that we had more than one
Speaker 3: VCR and like he like made fun of me in
Speaker 3: front of the entire school that like I had, how
Speaker 3: dare somebody have more? And it's like, but this is
Speaker 3: what I do for a living, Like, yeah, video equipment
Speaker 3: is kind of important. But I felt bad, If anything,
Speaker 3: I felt bad about being an actor in Its.
Speaker 8: Funny because you always wanted to quit and go back.
Speaker 8: It's not always that one period through the schooling.
Speaker 7: Writer you mentioned about the high school. The schooling was tough,
Speaker 7: you know, because they were when they were smaller, they
Speaker 7: were going to the public school. But they don't want
Speaker 7: they want the child there in the seat. They get
Speaker 7: the money that way scare in California, and so for
Speaker 7: him to be pulled out all the time for even
Speaker 7: in an audition and then more, it was difficult. It
Speaker 7: was just hard, right. So we ended up we ended
Speaker 7: up looking at several private schools around the area that
Speaker 7: could be that would work. And the one we did find,
Speaker 7: I mean we had we had actually rafted we're river
Speaker 7: rafting with the husband of the owner of the school,
Speaker 7: and we were on one of the trips with her
Speaker 7: and her family and I was talking to her about
Speaker 7: it and she goes, oh, we can work something out.
Speaker 7: We can, you know. And luckily both both the boys were.
Speaker 6: Liked school.
Speaker 7: They were they could be trusted with assignments and get
Speaker 7: them done. Even though they were off someplace doing the
Speaker 7: acting and the job, they would get the work done.
Speaker 7: So every three weeks when there was hiatus, they could
Speaker 7: come back and get their hand the work in.
Speaker 4: And yeah, that must have felt nice to have that
Speaker 4: one less worry on your plate of like, oh, are
Speaker 4: they getting an education?
Speaker 2: You always knew that they were. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7: Unluckily you guys were. You had a great schooling.
Speaker 2: The best.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Wesley and David were just two of so good, the
Speaker 4: best in the world.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I truthfully would put either one of them up against
Speaker 4: the best teacher anybody in the world and be like, yeah,
Speaker 4: dare you to do better than these two?
Speaker 3: So I have a.
Speaker 1: Question because we when Jen Fischer came on, we had
Speaker 1: to talk a little bit about Danielle's dating history, and
Speaker 1: I think it's only fair that we do the same
Speaker 1: when we talk about Rider, because Ryder has so. I
Speaker 1: met him he was twelve, he'd already been married for
Speaker 1: thirty two.
Speaker 4: Years, falling in line with the old man inside the
Speaker 4: young man's thought.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he has been relationship guy since day one that
Speaker 1: I met him, and I was wondering if you could
Speaker 1: talk just a little bit about I mean, a man
Speaker 1: who wears his heart on his slee leave when it
Speaker 1: comes to the relationships he's in. What was it like
Speaker 1: raising somebody who has been in love you know one
Speaker 1: and there's I think people he's a tortured in love
Speaker 1: young man from the time I had met him. Can
Speaker 1: you walk us a little bit through Writer's love life?
Speaker 7: Oh? He would just yeah, I mean you just described
Speaker 7: it perfectly. Yeah, Yeah, he just falls totally and it's
Speaker 7: that one and only person. Yeah, for they were all
Speaker 7: long term relationships.
Speaker 4: No, did you ever want to encourage him to, like,
Speaker 4: you know, because my mom I would always I would
Speaker 4: usually fall for the very first person that would appear
Speaker 4: in front of me after a breakup, and my mom
Speaker 4: would go, Danielle, you can't just keep stumbling into quote
Speaker 4: unquote long term relationships if you're never available, how are
Speaker 4: you going to meet the right person? Like if you're
Speaker 4: just always taken? Did you ever want to encourage Writer
Speaker 4: to not be so obsessation been finding the one at
Speaker 4: twelve and to maybe just kind of be a little
Speaker 4: freer and date a round. I'm asking for young Danielle
Speaker 4: who really just never had her chance.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Dan, young did.
Speaker 1: That's the problem is Danielle is retroactively trying to get rid.
Speaker 4: Would you ever encourage you to just be a little
Speaker 4: single for a while.
Speaker 7: No, I don't. I don't remember encouraging to the woman
Speaker 7: that he was with. Where great, good choices, good choices.
Speaker 6: Everyone he ever dated was always like, that's fine.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you guys had a very you guys had a
Speaker 4: very cool, hands off approach to a lot of a
Speaker 4: lot of your parents.
Speaker 2: Where do you think that comes from. Were you guys.
Speaker 4: Raised with a lot of freedom as kids, or were
Speaker 4: your parents a little more strict?
Speaker 6: Oh? My parents were totally free. I mean, do whatever
Speaker 6: you want to do as all as you want to.
Speaker 6: I never had any restrictions at all in any part
Speaker 6: in my life. Sometimes I was a little kid and
Speaker 6: you had little I had restrictions. You had restrictions, And
Speaker 6: I ended up.
Speaker 7: Moving three thousand miles away to feel free.
Speaker 6: San franc in nineteen seventy.
Speaker 7: San Francisco was home because there was freedom. There was
Speaker 7: Yeah at that point, I was what twenty two anyway,
Speaker 7: But they still had control over me. I felt. You
Speaker 7: know that that's.
Speaker 8: Totally different to two of us. Like I said, I
Speaker 8: had total free different times. I was ten, eleven, twelve
Speaker 8: years old, but twenty two.
Speaker 2: And you had to move to get it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, really I did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what a time in a place, though. Can you
Speaker 1: tell me just a little bit what San Francisco in
Speaker 1: the late sixties early seventies was, like, I mean, that
Speaker 1: was like a cultural phenomenon in the United States. What
Speaker 1: was it like at twenty two, moving across the country
Speaker 1: and seeing San Francisco at it's arguably its height of coolness?
Speaker 2: What was that like?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 2: Boy?
Speaker 6: Wow?
Speaker 7: Well, like I said, I felt at home and felt
Speaker 7: totally free. You could do whatever you wanted. We had
Speaker 7: gotten into marijuana and so we were enjoying that. And
Speaker 7: then there were protests at Golden Gate Park that you
Speaker 7: could just join in and it's very it was just exciting.
Speaker 7: It was very exciting and free.
Speaker 2: And when did you guys reconnect?
Speaker 4: So you guys met at Penn State and then and
Speaker 4: then moved separately to San Francisco. At what point did
Speaker 4: you guys reconnect and what were you doing separately at
Speaker 4: the time that you guys reconnected.
Speaker 7: Well, the first when I first came out to San Francisco,
Speaker 7: I only came out for the summer, and uh, but
Speaker 7: during that summer I decided I need to move out.
Speaker 7: So but the first night I was in San Francisco,
Speaker 7: I went out with King, not as a date, his
Speaker 7: old roommate who I had dated at the State. You know,
Speaker 7: I went out and I saw him, and so I
Speaker 7: saw King the first night, actually.
Speaker 6: Visited after about a year, I guess.
Speaker 7: That winter, I guess, I don't know.
Speaker 8: Somewhere in there, Bill, who she was dating, said to me,
Speaker 8: I was back back at the time a lot, and
Speaker 8: she said he said to me, you know, uh, bac
Speaker 8: take why don't you date her?
Speaker 7: Yeah? Well, I mean Phil and I were never serious, ever,
Speaker 7: ever serious.
Speaker 6: So that's how we got to go.
Speaker 4: Wow, I love that Lyn's boyfriend set you to. That
Speaker 4: is my favorite met.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but it turned out great.
Speaker 8: Yeah, a great friend of mine and good friend of hers,
Speaker 8: and we got together and then.
Speaker 7: Actually riding you called a local Bill.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but then I never saw him after the age
Speaker 3: of like four or five.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he went out for cigarettes.
Speaker 6: He moved back back to Pennsylvania. Were Yeah, you.
Speaker 3: Guys really you you were dating on and off, but
Speaker 3: you really it was the trip to Alaska that really.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's definitely what happened on that trip.
Speaker 7: Uh. Well, we went up on a Honda three fifty
Speaker 7: one bike with the two of us on it and
Speaker 7: our one.
Speaker 6: Pack back back that had.
Speaker 7: Little stove for cooking meals and one other change of clothes,
Speaker 7: and we just took off. Yeah, it was we.
Speaker 6: Got how far we get? Eighty miles?
Speaker 7: Yeah, we got up to Cinama County, where we now.
Speaker 8: The brand new bike, and we had to pull over
Speaker 8: to a place which was just an abandoned farmhouse and
Speaker 8: we slept there from right now it's a.
Speaker 7: It's a ko Kwa campground.
Speaker 8: Somebody bought the property is a big campground now, but
Speaker 8: we're the first camps there. And the next morning we
Speaker 8: pushed it over to uh which was in at Alum
Speaker 8: at the time, and they fixed that day. We continued
Speaker 8: on our trip and go all the way to Act.
Speaker 7: When I look back on that, I'm surprised we just
Speaker 7: kept going. Yeah that we never we never discussed let's
Speaker 7: go back home, let's go back to San Francis.
Speaker 4: He was only eighty miles away.
Speaker 3: I know, you guys were just tell me about like
Speaker 3: where was it the end, in the middle of the
Speaker 3: trip whatever, when you were when you were doing the
Speaker 3: backpacking where Dad wanted to build a raft and like
Speaker 3: go across the thing and that's when you finally had
Speaker 3: your breakdown.
Speaker 7: Mom, that was that was the West Coast Trail on
Speaker 7: Vancouver Island.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's the first trip.
Speaker 8: No, that was after elastic it was, but.
Speaker 7: That was a trip that I mean, we had been
Speaker 7: together several years, living together. I think we were up
Speaker 7: here at redwood Shire or place we call it. And uh,
Speaker 7: but we took that trip and the king was very
Speaker 7: he was very excited about building the rift and we
Speaker 7: had to have a tie watch the tides and anyway,
Speaker 7: it was a awful trail. It was not well maintained.
Speaker 6: I was trees across the road.
Speaker 3: How many days angry? You were like three or four days?
Speaker 7: Yeah, just a couple of days. Yeah, and and uh yeah,
Speaker 7: and I just said, this isn't fun. My bedroll was wet,
Speaker 7: everything was wet.
Speaker 8: We met two campers on the coming the other director
Speaker 8: who had lost all their equipment crossing that river.
Speaker 7: And they said and they had nothing, they had no
Speaker 7: We gave him some of our food.
Speaker 6: Great challenge, and she was worn up, and so you know,
Speaker 6: this isn't fun.
Speaker 7: It was the only trailing, you know. But but I
Speaker 7: told him, I said, look, you you go on, I'll
Speaker 7: hike back because we've already just came from there. I
Speaker 7: can go back and then all yourself.
Speaker 3: I guess, well, it's like bear country, like Jesus, I'll.
Speaker 7: Stay in the hotel and then when you get when
Speaker 7: you get.
Speaker 2: Back, yeah, honestly, but not a bad decision.
Speaker 4: Listen, King, if you want to take the chance with
Speaker 4: your bed and all of our belongings, I'll go to
Speaker 4: a motel and I'll see you on the other side.
Speaker 6: Sir.
Speaker 3: I think that was a healthy moment for my parents.
Speaker 7: But but but King said, no, we're doing this together
Speaker 7: and I'll go back with you.
Speaker 8: Good.
Speaker 4: So he went to the motel and he didn't force
Speaker 4: you to go down the river. Just air air dry
Speaker 4: your bed, air dry your bed.
Speaker 7: But at that point I knew he was a keeper.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was I knew.
Speaker 6: You should have known that.
Speaker 8: That was three months getting back to that, the original one.
Speaker 8: It took about a month to get up there, so
Speaker 8: it slowly were because it rained the whole time on
Speaker 8: the on the motorcycle.
Speaker 1: H on the you're riding a motorcycle. It's raining the
Speaker 1: whole time.
Speaker 6: Stuck a couple of places because all the springs in
Speaker 6: the rear wheel broke.
Speaker 2: This is not a good ad for Honda. I gotta
Speaker 2: be honest. Thank god we're sponsored by Honda.
Speaker 7: Honda the Yukon, all through the Yukon, the al Falcan
Speaker 7: Highway was all gravel and it went It was.
Speaker 6: Very, uh wind.
Speaker 7: Winding, incredibly windy.
Speaker 8: Because of World War Two, they made it really windy
Speaker 8: so that anybody straighten they wouldn't be able to wipe
Speaker 8: out the whole convoy.
Speaker 6: So they made it like this all the way up
Speaker 6: to the last so it.
Speaker 7: Was crazy and all all the only other people on
Speaker 7: the on the highway there was these big trucks delivering
Speaker 7: up to Alaska, and every time they went by this
Speaker 7: gravel would come up and we'd have to cover up.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, because you get gravel spit at you.
Speaker 7: Yes, yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: This sounds like my absolute nightmare.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, Danielle and I I'm just staying
Speaker 1: quiet because it's like this is the riders, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't wait.
Speaker 2: I love this.
Speaker 3: I'm going to like when I have a camera Van
Speaker 3: is when I have a camera Van, I'm like, what
Speaker 3: are we doing? This is like the height of luxury.
Speaker 3: We should be on on bicycles or a motorcycle to
Speaker 3: carry all our own gear.
Speaker 1: Going back to King saying, well, we just met two
Speaker 1: hikers coming the other way who love so I thought
Speaker 1: this was a good challenge, like June.
Speaker 6: Asking how we recently?
Speaker 8: It's all paid, it's beautiful, They straightened it out, took
Speaker 8: its huge campus, biggest one you can get.
Speaker 7: Well, that's what I said, I said, if we go
Speaker 7: up again. Forty years later, I said, I want a mattress.
Speaker 7: That's a couple exactly.
Speaker 2: Thank you. You deserve it.
Speaker 1: Right, isn't there isn't there a four seasons in Alaska?
Speaker 1: There's got to be a four seasons in Alaska?
Speaker 3: There's There was an article that was written. Do you
Speaker 3: guys still have that article where some like reporter ran
Speaker 3: into you guys on your last year?
Speaker 6: I was in Washington and a.
Speaker 3: Photo of my parents and it got published in the newspaper.
Speaker 3: Do you guys still have that? We should find that
Speaker 3: because I would love to post that it's like basically
Speaker 3: a profile of like, look at these crazy hippies in
Speaker 3: their tiny motorcycle driving all the way up to we
Speaker 3: were doing.
Speaker 7: We were doing our laundry, the you know, the pair
Speaker 7: of jeans that we were switching, the only change we had.
Speaker 7: So we were doing our laundry and he just came
Speaker 7: up and approached us, and he took our picture and
Speaker 7: got our names such, and then he said, uh, if
Speaker 7: you make it. He was like, you know, this is Washington,
Speaker 7: You're still a long way to go. So if you
Speaker 7: make it, send me a postcard and tell me that.
Speaker 7: So I did and that that's when he posted it.
Speaker 7: He said, they believe.
Speaker 3: I want to see.
Speaker 5: That.
Speaker 1: Please, the movies, the movies that you made of writer
Speaker 1: as a little kid, robbery.
Speaker 2: I think we actually need that. We need to plan
Speaker 2: a screening up.
Speaker 1: Yes, I want to see all that.
Speaker 4: Okay, we speaking of productions at redwood Shire. I have
Speaker 4: to talk to you about something very near and dear
Speaker 4: to this podcast and my heart grinders inline. I recently
Speaker 4: watched it and it was such a fun time.
Speaker 2: Capsule brought back.
Speaker 4: So many memories of shooting up there. It was very entertaining.
Speaker 4: You guys, produced it. We shot it at your property.
Speaker 4: What do you remember about that, that whole production and
Speaker 4: having all those people there and and just that whole
Speaker 4: just producing that movie.
Speaker 8: Well, I had to build the ramp, the halfpipe. Yeah,
Speaker 8: the half pipe. Actually bought it from somebody else at
Speaker 8: the dis reassembled there and.
Speaker 6: Then I remember the batch stuff.
Speaker 3: It was a nine foot half pipe. It was huge,
Speaker 3: and it was a big hand pipe.
Speaker 6: Yes, I mean I.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't go on it. I was terrib but it was
Speaker 3: like it was. But they put it right in the
Speaker 3: meadow where we used to camp out in the Redwoods,
Speaker 3: and it's it's just one of the most gorgeous spots
Speaker 3: and so it was so perfect for filming because you
Speaker 3: could just get these incredible shots in the middle of
Speaker 3: the Redwoods. And yeah, I mean we attracted a lot
Speaker 3: of talent because there was it was a big skating
Speaker 3: community that somehow we got tapped into and came out
Speaker 3: and just.
Speaker 8: Yeah, guy what's his name? That started? Actually that was
Speaker 8: because Angel went up there and filmed him up in
Speaker 8: the Tahoe I can't remember his name, be still the
Speaker 8: biggest name in skateboarding, Tony.
Speaker 6: Hawk. Yeah, yeah, so it.
Speaker 7: Was it's the same thing. You know. We we did
Speaker 7: produce a feature here Buck Naked Arson few years later.
Speaker 3: So much and what'd you say, I said, so much fun? Yeah,
Speaker 3: Christine Lincoln, Rusty no questions As showed up and filmed
Speaker 3: with us for like, we shot a whole feature in
Speaker 3: like what twelve days or fourteen days or something. It
Speaker 3: was like one of the first digital features. We were
Speaker 3: using the same cameras that Lucas had developed for the
Speaker 3: new Star Wars films, and there were only like six
Speaker 3: of them in the world, but we got we got
Speaker 3: them two of the cameras and shot a movie in
Speaker 3: like no time. And that was Amy Snow who was
Speaker 3: a pa, a phone pa on a stage pa at
Speaker 3: boys script and then she handed me the script and
Speaker 3: I was like, this is great. We could probably shoot
Speaker 3: this in my parents' property, and we did.
Speaker 6: It was so much time.
Speaker 4: But honestly, like truly, you two and writer and Shiloh
Speaker 4: were so ahead of your time. Now, it's very common
Speaker 4: practice for every child actor who has a family or
Speaker 4: a team, they start a production company and they start
Speaker 4: doing their own stuff. But that was not common practice
Speaker 4: in the late eighties early nineties.
Speaker 2: No, So what was that good.
Speaker 6: What it Wasn't it as easy? Yeah? No, I could
Speaker 6: see everybody would.
Speaker 4: Do it yet exactly. And so that's my question is
Speaker 4: that you guys being so ahead of your time. What
Speaker 4: was that like for you going into it and being like,
Speaker 4: we're just gonna We're gonna learn as we go.
Speaker 6: It's a stupidity. Again, No, it was.
Speaker 8: It was exciting to do, it was fun to do.
Speaker 8: At the same time, it was not profitable, right, you
Speaker 8: have to know what you're doing. You have to be
Speaker 8: a marketing person or have a marketing person, and we didn't.
Speaker 3: From my perspective, what was so? I mean, what's so
Speaker 3: amazing about you guys? As you always just approach any
Speaker 3: project and you just do it right, You just figure
Speaker 3: it out. And you know, like when you didn't know
Speaker 3: how to build a house, Dad, You've always said, you
Speaker 3: just read a book, right, read a book, figured it
Speaker 3: out and built a house. And I think you, you
Speaker 3: guys so admirably approached all of filmmaking the exact same way,
Speaker 3: which is exactly right. The problem is the industry of
Speaker 3: Hollywood is a whole another Like making a film is
Speaker 3: one thing, right, like putting a production together, getting the
Speaker 3: creatives getting the equipment and like all of that, you
Speaker 3: guys thrived at and we you know, we're so good
Speaker 3: at beause is that that can do attitude that you
Speaker 3: bring to everything you do was perfect for independent cinema
Speaker 3: and perfect for making projects. The problem is once the
Speaker 3: project is finished, you need you need money in capital,
Speaker 3: and you need marketing, and you need distribution, and you
Speaker 3: need all these attacks and you need every content and
Speaker 3: you know, being up in the Redwoods, really really far
Speaker 3: from Hollywood is not super helpful in that regard. And
Speaker 3: I don't think either one of you wanted to be
Speaker 3: like festivals.
Speaker 7: No, no, we can produce things, but we don't. We can't.
Speaker 6: Robert Record does right of a connection. No.
Speaker 7: I think the value, at least with with Butt Naked
Speaker 7: Arson and Grinders in Line earlier was I just wanted
Speaker 7: to teach the boys that they can do it. If
Speaker 7: they you know they can do it, you know it
Speaker 7: can happen.
Speaker 2: It's so smart.
Speaker 7: They're both still in the business.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and what were your thoughts when writer decided he
Speaker 4: wanted to stop acting?
Speaker 6: Hmmm, all right, I am okay, no problem.
Speaker 8: I like being home more than going this place. It
Speaker 8: was fun for a while. You know, if you go
Speaker 8: one or two, it's.
Speaker 6: Like, Okay, I got to read all that books about it.
Speaker 6: I reading four or five books at a time at
Speaker 6: that time. I remember I could probably leave a book
Speaker 6: somewhere and get another one to read it. So whenever
Speaker 6: you going to quit Boymate's World, like sure, but.
Speaker 3: I think I needed to hear so badly. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: was under so much pressure at the age of sixteen.
Speaker 3: I felt like the whole world was forcing me to
Speaker 3: be on a TV show that I was not happy with,
Speaker 3: you know, and I was just unhappy, and so I
Speaker 3: really needed your support that it didn't matter to you
Speaker 3: that you would love me no matter what. That you know,
Speaker 3: I could. I could fail at boy Meets World and
Speaker 3: still be a success in your eyes, you know. Like
Speaker 3: that's that's what I know to hear from both of
Speaker 3: you guys.
Speaker 6: And you were there were.
Speaker 7: Ye just knowing that then you were.
Speaker 8: Yeah, but it was fun to see all the other
Speaker 8: stuff you got up with afterwards that we weren't.
Speaker 7: Involved, you know, just well, I remember after you turned sixteen,
Speaker 7: I didn't have to be on the set right with you,
Speaker 7: and so I writer got at Loft and Downtown Los.
Speaker 6: Angeles, and I left on his own.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I other people were critical of that. How
Speaker 7: can you leave a sixteen year old on their own?
Speaker 7: And I was like, writers so ready to be that,
Speaker 7: and he's so he's responsible. I'm not worried about that.
Speaker 7: Plus he was working, you know, he had and you
Speaker 7: that whole cast and crew when the swirled, we're looking
Speaker 7: after him too.
Speaker 2: Feel that.
Speaker 4: Did you feel that confident right from the beginning with
Speaker 4: it or was it something that at first you were
Speaker 4: a little more hesitant about and then you grew into
Speaker 4: the comfort of it.
Speaker 7: I probably grew into the comfort just getting to know
Speaker 7: everybody and the friendships and things, you know, being together
Speaker 7: for a couple of years at that point, was you
Speaker 7: felt together? And I just know he was being watched
Speaker 7: over or taken care of, and he could take care
Speaker 7: of himself even at sixteen. He was ready that old soul.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember, Lynn.
Speaker 1: We actually we talked about that once because when I
Speaker 1: because you had told me, you know, my parents weren't
Speaker 1: out on the set all the time, and I was
Speaker 1: by myself sixteen seventeen, and at first you had said
Speaker 1: to me, you were like, I'm kind of amazed you're
Speaker 1: here by yourself. And then when Ryder had the loft hisself,
Speaker 1: you and I had to talk where you're like, I
Speaker 1: kind of get it now you're if you're a responsible
Speaker 1: person and you were ready for that, then it's what
Speaker 1: you do. So yeah, we had a cool conversation about
Speaker 1: that where you were like, Okay, I get I get
Speaker 1: what you were doing, I get what your parents were doing.
Speaker 3: And it worked.
Speaker 1: So yeah, he was he was pretty responsible this one.
Speaker 3: I mean at first you were coming down. You were
Speaker 3: going to come down like every other week. Do you remember, mom?
Speaker 3: You were like, I'll come down every other week and
Speaker 3: you only did it like twice, and then you were
Speaker 3: like okay, yeah, because then you were just sleeping in
Speaker 3: my loft, like we had like a separate bed on
Speaker 3: the top for you, and it was like, this is uncomfortable.
Speaker 3: This is a sixteen year old lost. I'll just get
Speaker 3: out of here.
Speaker 4: How does it make you feel now watching writer with
Speaker 4: a family of his own, and what are your thoughts
Speaker 4: if Indy wanted to become an actor, what do you
Speaker 4: guys think about that?
Speaker 7: Sure, so that's what he wants to do.
Speaker 8: He's an actor already, yep, yeah, great, he's.
Speaker 7: Taking acting clists right now, right right?
Speaker 8: Yeah, Yeah, he's just so good.
Speaker 7: And he's been on a camera ever since he's been born,
Speaker 7: so yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: We all have him.
Speaker 1: Is there a possibility of the Great Toy Caper too?
Speaker 1: Is that possible to play there?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Writer, Yes, let's do it. Will you guys put bags
Speaker 3: on your head again?
Speaker 2: Can we can we be a part of this one?
Speaker 3: I want to be in this film.
Speaker 4: Well, I want to thank you both for coming on here,
Speaker 4: and I also want to thank you for raising such
Speaker 4: a special incredible I just truly like a one of
Speaker 4: a kind man who has meant so much to both
Speaker 4: Will and I over the years. And I want to
Speaker 4: end with asking you of all of the amazing qualities
Speaker 4: Writer has, and there are many, what do you think
Speaker 4: your favorite quality about Writer is? If you could, if
Speaker 4: you could select one quality that Writer has and say
Speaker 4: this is something I would want for everyone to have
Speaker 4: her to experience. What would you say is your favorite
Speaker 4: thing about him?
Speaker 6: I agree, there's so many.
Speaker 7: His wisdom, yeah, wisdom and intelligence yeah that he applies to.
Speaker 8: Ah, yeah, I'm understanding, which he had when he was
Speaker 8: two years old.
Speaker 7: He sensed it.
Speaker 4: So man, I want to see two year old, writer,
Speaker 4: I really need me, You really need to do a screening.
Speaker 1: Of these crying over the girl he just woke up with. Yeah,
Speaker 1: two years, two years old. He's already been a relationship
Speaker 1: for five years. He's angsty, he can't get over her. Yeah.
Speaker 7: Man, he enjoys that as a process.
Speaker 6: I guess.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It motivates him, it keeps him going.
Speaker 6: Great.
Speaker 3: Thank you guys so much for this question.
Speaker 1: So cool.
Speaker 2: It's so good to see you. And we're inviting ourselves
Speaker 2: up to Redwoodshire too.
Speaker 3: I think we should actually do whole world journey and
Speaker 3: should I think absolutely, all.
Speaker 2: Right, we'll schedule that. Thank you both so much for me.
Speaker 3: Take care bye.
Speaker 2: Well, writer. They killed it, crushed.
Speaker 1: They crushed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're great. Oh my god, I may miss them
Speaker 3: so much. I just want to be with them right now.
Speaker 1: I know, crossing the river like meeting two people who've
Speaker 1: just lost everything in the river, and your dad's first
Speaker 1: instinct is sounds like a challenge.
Speaker 2: Sounds like a good challenge. I'm in, let's go, Lynn.
Speaker 3: I mean the stories that they tell, like, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's just it's funny because I didn't really have perspective
Speaker 3: on it until relatively recently, you know. I feel like
Speaker 3: when I was little, it was always just like, well,
Speaker 3: this is what you do. You you go into the
Speaker 3: wilderness for six days and you figure it out and
Speaker 3: you have a machete and you like build yourself a shelter,
Speaker 3: and it's just like and what like, I know that's
Speaker 3: not you know, And I used to put so much
Speaker 3: pressure on myself too, Like I remember, you know, like
Speaker 3: going back to how my dad never wants to pay
Speaker 3: for anything. Like part of that is you don't pay
Speaker 3: anybody to fix anything in your house. You fix it yourself,
Speaker 3: like that is what you do. And I remember when
Speaker 3: Alex and I first started dating, like something went wrong
Speaker 3: with our old O'Keefe Merritt's stove, like one of those
Speaker 3: old like la stoves at every like, and we had
Speaker 3: one in Laurel Canyon and it was just a disaster.
Speaker 3: It's like and I'm sitting there trying to fix this
Speaker 3: stupid gas stove. I know nothing about fixing stoves, but
Speaker 3: I also won't bring myself to like pay somebody to
Speaker 3: do it. And Alex is just like sat me down.
Speaker 3: She's like it's okay, Like I don't think you're less
Speaker 3: of a man. If you can't do this because you
Speaker 3: can't fix a stove, it's okay. Rider just you know what,
Speaker 3: you have other qualities. You can pay somebody use those
Speaker 3: other qualities to make money, and then you pay somebody
Speaker 3: else who's very good at fixing a stove to fix
Speaker 3: it for you, and that that's okay.
Speaker 2: And the time you save is also worth something.
Speaker 3: Yes, And it was like such a like okay, okay,
Speaker 3: you know, and just ever since then, I have to
Speaker 3: you know, I still have to remind myself. But it's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: but my parents are you know, they're both just amazing people.
Speaker 3: I love them so much. They they and I Yeah.
Speaker 1: How long they've been married now?
Speaker 3: Oh god, since seventy four. No, they bought the property
Speaker 3: in seventy four, but they actually didn't get married. I
Speaker 3: don't think until seventy seven. Okay, yeah, forty six years, yeah,
Speaker 3: forty six years. But it's so funny because in their
Speaker 3: you know, for their generation, they were late getting married
Speaker 3: and having kids. You know, they dated for six years
Speaker 3: before they got they actually got married. But you know,
Speaker 3: my mom was thirty thirty two whatever when I was born,
Speaker 3: and that was so late. Now it's pretty pretty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now now you're actually on the early side.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, your parents are amazing.
Speaker 4: I have a really wonderful photo of my parents and
Speaker 4: your parents on the cruise and they have they have
Speaker 4: swapped and my dad is sitting on your mom's lap,
Speaker 4: and I think my mom is sitting on your dad's
Speaker 4: lap and it's a very cute.
Speaker 2: You know what, Let's talk about cruises. Let's we'll do
Speaker 2: the cruise episode, bring them back.
Speaker 3: We do have to have the Sale with the Stars
Speaker 3: cruise episode because we have not talked about that, but.
Speaker 4: That we have, that's a that's we will do that
Speaker 4: for sure. Oh yeah, Well, thank you all for listening
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