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Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons is bawling, Bring it on, Bring it on.

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Speaker 1: Swim the ground by Buda Baker like a torpedo. He

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Speaker 1: came flying into the backfield, pink skirt and nobody. Here's

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Speaker 1: Paul caldc right. I know. The official name of this

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Speaker 1: but I'm gonna rename this week twelve edition considering coming

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Speaker 1: off the Mexico City road trip, the No Sleep Till

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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving podcast point in particular, I just got out of

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Speaker 1: the TV studio with the head coach who said he

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Speaker 1: has yet to sleep after Monday night football, and so

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Speaker 1: he'll have to catch up on Tuesday night, coming off

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Speaker 1: that turnaround and that game in prime time, and then

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Speaker 1: of course coming it back into the country. You know

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Speaker 1: the routine because you were both on at Danny Sak

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Speaker 1: and Darren Irbott. Is he getting no sleep because he

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Speaker 1: hasn't had time to sleep or just because everything going

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Speaker 1: on is just keeping him away? Cash Tag? It can

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Speaker 1: always get worse if you're the head coach. There's always something.

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Speaker 1: What's anybody who becomes a first time head coach in

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Speaker 1: the NFL? What did they always say? They're always amazed

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Speaker 1: at how many non football things cross their desks, come

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Speaker 1: through their office, things they have to side upon that

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Speaker 1: have nothing to do with a one hundred yard field

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Speaker 1: XS and os. You are a CEO, whether you like

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Speaker 1: it or not. Whenever, it just basic football operation and

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Speaker 1: human resources. In this case, Danny, there's the segue if

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Speaker 1: you want to take it and make the announcement, Sure, thanks, Paul.

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Speaker 1: The announcement coming just shortly before we started recording this

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Speaker 1: run game coordinator Sean Coogler has been released from the team,

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Speaker 1: and that's about all we know. That he did not

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Speaker 1: coach in the Monday night football game at a Studios Teca,

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Speaker 1: Mexico City, where so that he was already on his

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Speaker 1: way home by that point. And that's that's pretty much

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Speaker 1: all we know at this point, because this came out

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Speaker 1: after Cliff Kingsbury's press conference. Yeah, I mean, it's there's

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Speaker 1: just a you know, as you were saying, Paul, there's

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Speaker 1: a lot that's going on right now. They obviously did

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Speaker 1: not play well in Mexico City. I thought they hung

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Speaker 1: Now we hear about the Kogler situation. They probably lost

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Speaker 1: Rondale Moore, I would think for at least through the bye.

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Speaker 1: They've only got one game before the bye. With the

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Speaker 1: just there's just and the offensive line is no better

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Speaker 1: our interview moments ago at Cliff Kingsbury this week twelve,

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Speaker 1: going into the Chargers game, and every one of those

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Speaker 1: It's still important that you do play with that fight

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Speaker 1: There's no doubt about it. And what's the key element

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Speaker 1: We saw it, everyone lived it and experienced it three

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Speaker 1: contagion it's like cryptocurrency just you know, absolutely just fun.

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Speaker 1: I mean everything, it takes everything with it. Danny. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to start making a Bingo card for this podcast

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Speaker 1: love the cryptocurrency little thrones that you have. Paul. It's

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Speaker 1: by any means. But I think, too, well, maybe momentum

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Speaker 1: and if you looked out there, you're like, you know what,

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00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:42,679
Speaker 1: that's a pretty similar game plan. You're coming out with

427
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:47,040
Speaker 1: four defensive linemen. Yeah, they called their Jumbo front, and

428
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:50,119
Speaker 1: so they have four d lineman, which the downside is

429
00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:51,959
Speaker 1: you're not going to get a lot of pass rush,

430
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,040
Speaker 1: and the Cardinals did not get a lot of pass rush.

431
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:58,239
Speaker 1: Zero sacks, four quarterback hits, which is another reason why

432
00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,199
Speaker 1: j Sanders didn't get a lot of remps, now that

433
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,960
Speaker 1: I think about it, They just played a different package. Yeah,

434
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 1: because you see all those defensive linemen out there, and

435
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,200
Speaker 1: at first I looked on the sideline, I'm like, look

436
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 1: at all these defensive linemen who are suited up and active.

437
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,960
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, is that because of the altitude. No, it's

438
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:13,920
Speaker 1: because you're running four of them out there at a time.

439
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 1: But then to still not stop the run to start

440
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 1: the second half in between the tackles and they're coming

441
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,639
Speaker 1: right at you and you're still not stopping it. If

442
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:25,639
Speaker 1: you're wondering did the air go out of the building,

443
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 1: it's seventy three hundred feet above elevation. After that touchdown

444
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 1: drive by the forty nine Ers to take a twenty

445
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 1: four to ten lead, you would be correct out of

446
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 1: the sideline of the card, which it did not go

447
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,360
Speaker 1: out of the building. Unfortunately, that's true. There were enough

448
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:42,880
Speaker 1: Niner fans there so and by the way, I'll hold

449
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 1: myself accountable. Okay, I'm gonna Booda would be proud of me.

450
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hold myself accountable right now. I cannot believe

451
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 1: I went the entire game and there was a lot

452
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,120
Speaker 1: of chaos in that sideline. And no joke, I'm doing

453
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 1: the pregame hit. It's thirty seconds before kickoff and I'm

454
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,400
Speaker 1: doing my pregame hit. Is passion? Wo if? Actually give

455
00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 1: me just a finite amount of time there before the

456
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Speaker 1: game and I gotta make account And it starts raining

457
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,200
Speaker 1: like you wouldn't believe. And as I'm doing the head

458
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,679
Speaker 1: I'm realizing, Okay, we're all getting soaked down here, and

459
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,160
Speaker 1: I have no rain gear. I packed zero rain gear.

460
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 1: I am so host for the next three and a

461
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 1: half hours down in this sideline. And whether it was

462
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 1: that as I make excuses or something else, maybe it's

463
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 1: all the NFL films cameras are down there blocking everyone's vio.

464
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 1: But I never noticed that Sean Coogler may or may

465
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 1: not have been around on the sideline because if the

466
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 1: incident happened reportedly Sunday night, Yeah, no, he didn't. Guess

467
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,200
Speaker 1: what he wasn't on the field game times. No, you're not, coach,

468
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 1: and I didn't really notice that. So guess what. This

469
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 1: is me bashing my head with a microphone, holding myself accountable.

470
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 1: And for those listening, he did actually just bash his

471
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:51,880
Speaker 1: head into the microphone. That's I gotta feel that, real,

472
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 1: own it, wear it. I did see you though postgame

473
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 1: when I was down the field. You had a puncho on,

474
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,880
Speaker 1: so you you found something Eventually, Yes, in the first

475
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 1: second quarter break, our guy Zach came up with a ponchos.

476
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 1: Don't know where he produced those ponchos, you know, especially internationally.

477
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 1: I don't know where he got his hands on those,

478
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,919
Speaker 1: but they did seem to save the day. Didn't mean

479
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 1: I wasn't still soaked underneath the entire ride home, but otherwise, yeah,

480
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: it was, you know, saved me, Darren saved me. Something

481
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 1: else I could this is this we have we have

482
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 1: run into. Yeah, we have run into a time in

483
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,440
Speaker 1: the season and on the podcast where it's it's it's

484
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 1: going to be more difficult to save ourselves just because

485
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 1: I mean, what are we you know, the issues of

486
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 1: what we're having to talk about. You know, last week

487
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 1: we made it fairly clear and we talked about the

488
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:44,199
Speaker 1: quarterback situation and everything, and and I think, you know,

489
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 1: Colt McCoy did not play that much differently against the

490
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,880
Speaker 1: forty nine ers than he did against the Rams. The

491
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 1: problem is he played a much better defense. And you

492
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 1: see the limitations there with the offense and all that.

493
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,199
Speaker 1: It's not just Colt's deal. But I watched part of

494
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 1: that game last night, especially when they got behind, and

495
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 1: I thought to myself, there are warts on Kyler Murray

496
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: currently that he needs to get past. But that's the

497
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 1: kind of talent, more a little bit more Boomer Boss,

498
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: a little bit more strikeout or home run kind of

499
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 1: feel to his game than Colts. But that's what they

500
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 1: needed once they fell behind and they didn't have that element. Yeah,

501
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,439
Speaker 1: I would agree with that. When you have four backup

502
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 1: offense alignment against that front seven. Yes, Kyler's escapability might

503
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: have created something. Yeah, And so we'll see what happens.

504
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 1: And guess what, they didn't have to put a spy

505
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 1: on Cole McCoy. So there's an extra defender right there.

506
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 1: That's why Chase Edmonds back in the day, when Kyler

507
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 1: showed up, he called him what the extra blocker? He

508
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 1: called him an extra blocker. Basically, you're playing with twelve

509
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: on offense because they have to account for Kyler, and

510
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 1: then that's one thing where you're not holding the defense accountable.

511
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: And the Niners got away with that. That's why they're

512
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 1: able to rush for and drop seven and everyone keep

513
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: their eyes, you know, or plaster their coverage and you

514
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: don't have to you have to worry about taking your

515
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 1: eyes off the quarterback because Cole McCoy's not going to

516
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 1: pull it and run it for thirty yards. So I

517
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: feel like I got you out of that ditch. The

518
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: question now is does Kyler Murray play against the Chargers?

519
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,199
Speaker 1: And you know, I guess that's all we'll see. And

520
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury already said because of the short week, they've

521
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 1: already been doing walkthroughs on Wednesday, and because of the

522
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 1: short week, they're now going to do a walk through

523
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Speaker 1: on Thursday, So we're not even going to get to

524
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Speaker 1: see any players until Friday. In the open part of

525
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 1: the media. So and now you're at the part of

526
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Speaker 1: the season with Kyler Murray, with Hollywood Brown, and I

527
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: don't know the situation of what's going to happen with

528
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Speaker 1: a Greg George, but it's do they play if they're

529
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: close but not one hundred percent, or do you let

530
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: them rest and recover through the bye week and they

531
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Speaker 1: miss one more games. It's a it's a fair question,

532
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: and you know, I don't I mean, if you truly

533
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,439
Speaker 1: feel like you're chasing something, I think you got to

534
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 1: try and get out there, no matter who you are.

535
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 1: And I think if you're not, if you think otherwise,

536
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: whether you say it or allowed or not, then then

537
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 1: you have a bit more leeway of making those decisions.

538
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 1: And you know, I it's it's fascinating to me where

539
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 1: this offense goes the rest of this year and whether

540
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: it's I mean, again, you're talking about, oh, Kyler Murray quarterback,

541
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: and you'll have a people that are pass catching that

542
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: are DeAndre Hopkins and Rondel Moore and Hollywood Brown and

543
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: Zach Ertz and it's just never gonna it's not gonna

544
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:28,479
Speaker 1: happen once this entire season. And that's that's rough to know.

545
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 1: And that's and that's even after taking care of everybody

546
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,719
Speaker 1: in the preseason and not doing much and you know,

547
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 1: Arts obviously is done done, but you're also in a

548
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: situation with u Ronde Mooren is growing. Even if Hollywood

549
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: comes back, you might not have more for a couple

550
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 1: of weeks. You just don't know what, you just don't know.

551
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: And that's That's a lot of what I keep hearing

552
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: from Cliff when he talks about things still trying to

553
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 1: come together, and people rightfully have said in week eleven,

554
00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: you're still trying to come together, and his point is

555
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 1: you're playing people that are in positions. The Greg dorts

556
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: thing was, I mean, he had a great game, but

557
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 1: Colt McCoy said up postgame, Greg Dortch played great, he

558
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: didn't get all the reps that he would have during

559
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 1: the week. Those are Rondelle Moore. So there was some miscommunication.

560
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: We saw it on the fourth down. I mean, I'm

561
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 1: pretty sure Greg Dortsch was the one who was probably

562
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 1: out of place in that one. And that was you

563
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 1: talk about the forty nine ers having I mean, there's

564
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: a couple of shorter fields. I don't disagree with either

565
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: of the fourth down when it mattered fourth down calls,

566
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: because I felt like at that point the Cardinals needed

567
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: to score touchdowns. I mean, you're, you're, You're just not

568
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: going to get there with the way things were going.

569
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:41,719
Speaker 1: And so I have no problem with him going for him.

570
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: They just didn't work. In fact, you want some levities,

571
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: some humor. Here's my notes by the way from the sideline,

572
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: all water damaged and everything. Okay, how Paul always keeps

573
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: so as I look here the stack going into the

574
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: game against the forty nine ers, and they're five wins,

575
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: they had two turnovers and there are four losses. They

576
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: had eleven turn overs. So when you basically lose the

577
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: turnover battle three zip because you had the tipped interception

578
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: that went to the forty nine ers and you turned

579
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: it over on downs twice. Yeah, that's essentially what that

580
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: amounts to. So that makes it ultra difficult to beat

581
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: that forty nine ers team. What was interesting to your

582
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: point on Dorch and I think it was Cliff talking

583
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: to Wolf and Luke during his radio segment, and he

584
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: said that interior wide receiver position, that slot receiver position,

585
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: is actually more difficult than the outside position because you

586
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: have to read and react based on coverage. So on

587
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: that fourth down, he's reading one thing or reacting one way,

588
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: and he mistakenly read it and Colt went the other

589
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: way with a pass. And everybody's always said all season long,

590
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: what happened to Greg Dortch? Why you're not playing Greg

591
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: Dorch Moore? And I think that's why is because when

592
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: he's on the field, he's playing that position. And what

593
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: has Cliff said more vaguely about Dorch was he needs

594
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: to learn the playbook better. He never really got into

595
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: it as much as that comment on Luke and Wolf.

596
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: And that's clear if you're trusting a guy to be

597
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: on the same page as the back of reading on

598
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: a fork route, whatever you want to call it, if

599
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 1: you don't have it right, best case scenario is an

600
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: incompletion worst cases of potential interception. So I mean, the

601
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: greatest example in recent history was year number one for

602
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: Carson Palmer twenty thirteen, and he almost wasn't an Arizona cardinal.

603
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: If you were to listen to some of the radio

604
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: blowhards on the air by mid season, they were everyone

605
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: was campaigning for Drew Stander replaced Carson Palmer, the old

606
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: man didn't have it anymore. Well, it turns out he

607
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: had thrown eight interceptions because seven of those were brutal

608
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: mistakes by his receivers reading coverage, and Carson never once

609
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: threw his receivers under the bus. We only found out

610
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: that out later that almost all those interceptions where and

611
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: Cole McCoy, to his credit, he took the postgame microphone

612
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: and he said, you know what, Greg Dortsch got virtually

613
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: no reps all week because Rondet's the way it works.

614
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: The ones get like ninety five percent of the reps

615
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: during a practice week, and so Greg Dortsch was was

616
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: left to kind of fend on his own. Still ended

617
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: up with his first career one hundred yard receiving game.

618
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: And he doesn't lack for confidence. He set in this

619
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: very studio on a big red rage recently and said,

620
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: you know what, I'll make anyone missing a phone booth.

621
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: He has big time confidence when he gets his hands

622
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: on the ball. And that's just the way it is.

623
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: You're right, Paul, in terms of the ones getting most

624
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: of the reps. And that's what it's so important if

625
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: you aren't a starter, to make sure that you are

626
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: putting in that work, not just on the field, but

627
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: in the meeting rooms and doing that work on your

628
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: own and watching film and understanding the playbook. And that's

629
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: what they mean by next man out mentality, is that

630
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: you have to be ready when your number is called upon.

631
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: And that's not to say that Greg Dortsch didn't have

632
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: a good game. I mean, we've talked about why he

633
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: had a good game, and that's not to say that

634
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: he is not a good player when they call upon

635
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: his number. But that's just the way it is. If

636
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: if you're having that misscommunication, if you're not going to

637
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: those reps practice, you have to understand that. You know.

638
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: He reminds me of Buddha Baker in this regard when

639
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: Bill Davis gets in front of his linebacker's room and

640
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: he says, and he puts the pointer on Buddha Baker

641
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: on film. He said, what would happened to our defense

642
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: if everybody played as hard as Buddha Baker. Challenge yourself

643
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: to play as hard as Buddha Baker. You're probably not

644
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: going to play as well as an All Pro. That's

645
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: Greg Dortch to the Cardinals offense. Can you play as

646
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: hard as Greg Dortch? Every time he gets an opportunity,

647
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: he seemingly produces. Think about what he did in August,

648
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: some of those dog day practices and the end of practice,

649
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: and the dude is still going one hundred percent. It's

650
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: the reason he made the team. I mean, let's face it,

651
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: what he did in those preseason games he was on

652
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: the outside looking in. It was just it was this

653
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: that that intensity that he brings all the time. He

654
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: did something Monday that we've seen him do when he's

655
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: had opportunities off season. And that's one of the reasons

656
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: fans have been frustrated, is because they see that and

657
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: then his time fades away less because of what he

658
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: does and more because of who else is around. And

659
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: that's why I'm fascinated to see what ends up happening

660
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: with with Ronnel Moore and what his groin injury is

661
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: going to be. And the unfortunate thing with Rondelle is

662
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: he's been hurt a lot, and that was an issue

663
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: in college and it's been an issue on this level,

664
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: and you know, you wonder a little bit where that goes. Hey,

665
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: Colt McCoy spent a lot of time in that medical

666
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: tent in Mexico City, just like he did the week before,

667
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: and I thought a semi miraculous he came back against

668
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: the Rams. We'll see where he's at. Because Cliff was

669
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: a bit evasive about Colt McCoy's health, wasn't he to

670
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: a certain degree on the Tuesday press conference coming off

671
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: Mexico City. Yeah, just kind of saying he took a

672
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: lot of hits. He's pretty banged up as pretty much

673
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: what we got from him. Maybe a little bit of

674
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: an elbow or shoulder, And to me, that doesn't necessarily

675
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: go back to the elbow injury he had during training camp.

676
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: I think that really is more just him getting banged

677
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: up these last couple of weeks. But I mean, I

678
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: would imagine that either him or Kyler Murray will probably

679
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: be good enough to play, at least you would hope. Well,

680
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: my guess is at this point Coult McCoy, at this

681
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: time in his career and everything, and the way he

682
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: plays because he doesn't have to run around as much, UM,

683
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: my guess is he's going to make sure. I mean,

684
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: I don't think he was one hundred percent going into

685
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: this game, and they still listened to him as full

686
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 1: in practice the last day and he didn't have a designation, so, um,

687
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: you know, Colt understands his body and understands where he is.

688
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 1: And but there was absolutely a few times even before

689
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 1: he went in the tent, where he got up awful slow. Yeah,

690
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: and when you're thirty six you start or older, you

691
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,720
Speaker 1: start feeling those things a little longer and they linger

692
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: and it's it's a little harder. So we'll see. I

693
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: I'm hoping Kyler is out there against the Chargers. I

694
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: think he needs to be out there. But um, but again,

695
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: when Cliff talks about him being healthy and again, and

696
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: he reiterated some of it, somebody asked him essentially, if

697
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: Kyler was not one hundred percent, but he was pretty

698
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: close and he could do some things even if he

699
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: didn't have couldn't run around, but he could be in

700
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: the pocket. And Cliff made the other point, which I

701
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: don't know how I feel if I'm Colt McCoy when

702
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 1: he says this, but he basically said, if we've got

703
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: four backup offensive lineman, we need Kyler to be able

704
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: to move around back there because otherwise he could be

705
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: a sitting duck. Well, somebody's going to be a sitting

706
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: duck back there and guess what, somebody has a lot

707
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: more mobility than the other guy. So it's sort of mean. Yeah,

708
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: but so look, I don't know what that means. But

709
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: every time I hear Cliff Kingsbury say, and he said

710
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: it the last two weeks running Kyler needs to be

711
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: one hundred percent, That to me is euphemism for he's

712
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: not playing. Yeah, that's me not yet. I agree with you.

713
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: That's the way I translated the last two weeks, and

714
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: I'm going to stick to that this week. Who even

715
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 1: if that heals how is he one hundred percent? Nobody's

716
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: one hundred percent at this time of the year. Now,

717
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: all right, what's your one hundred percent go to for Thanksgiving?

718
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: And then we'll call it a podcast? Here? What is

719
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: the dish or the food item you're most looking forward

720
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: to on Thanksgiving? Danny, I can just see right now

721
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,720
Speaker 1: a thought bubble. It's like all these things dancing around

722
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: in the thought bubble. You're trying to decide. It's multiple

723
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: choice right now. I I love Thanksgiving. Um, It's one

724
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: of my favorite holidays growing up in Dallas. Though of

725
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: course it's always been around football, and that's when my

726
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: whole family would get together, and it's just it's one

727
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: of my favorite holidays. I really like a lot of

728
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: the dishes, like the classic Thanksgiving dishes. Um. The reason

729
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: I looked like I had a thought bubble was just

730
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: thinking back to last year and I was still kind

731
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: of new at this point, and just like everyone thinking

732
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: that I was like a maniac for saying that I

733
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: liked green being casserole because because apparently people don't. And

734
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 1: that's like my whole family love, Like my younger sister

735
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: who can't even have dairy, has found like a delicious,

736
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: dairy free green being casserole recipe, like it is a

737
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: staple for us on Thanksgiving. So that I'm gonna stick.

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00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stick with it. I'm gonna hold my ground

739
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: and say, well, okay, then then guess what you're you're

740
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 1: gonna have to withstand my analysis. It depends, that's my answer.

741
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 1: It depends, because it depends on the viscosity, if you will,

742
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: of the green bean casserole. If it's like green, if

743
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: it's green beans floating around in the cream and mushroom

744
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: campbell soup, absolutely that's a hard no. But if there's

745
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: some sort of consistency swimming in it, in viscosity to it.

746
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: There's there's something there there, then okay, I'll consider it

747
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 1: as I'm as we're passing it around the table or

748
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: maybe sampling it. Okay. Otherwise it's a hard the go to.

749
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 1: The go to if only I could get my hands

750
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 1: on it these days would be the ribbon jello. Have

751
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: you ever had the ribbon jello? Where it takes like

752
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: ten hours to make it and you put a layer

753
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 1: of one sort of flavored jello and then another layer

754
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 1: and it ends up being this like three inch thick

755
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: slice of jello and it's all different colors and flavors

756
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: and if it's the better. I'm not a big jello person,

757
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: so I haven't had that. It's believe me, it's it's

758
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: sort of a you know, it goes very well on

759
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: this side of your plate. It's offsets everything else. I

760
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 1: very much enjoy Thanksgiving because of the football. Um, I'm

761
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: okay with having traditional stuff, but like this year, my

762
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: son's got to work in the afternoon. I will probably

763
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,399
Speaker 1: have to come out for practice and do a little

764
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:12,240
Speaker 1: bit of work, or at least not practice, but interviews,

765
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 1: and so we're actually doing more of a brunch thing.

766
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not a big I'm one of those people,

767
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 1: especially if we're hosting. If you we would love to

768
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: have everybody over. If you're going to throw a fit

769
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 1: about what is being served, it'll be good food. It

770
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: might not be exactly what you're thinking it's going to be.

771
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: You don't have to come over. That's kind of how

772
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: I look at I always forget that people do Thanksgiving

773
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: during the day because I've only ever known a Thanksgiving

774
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: meal to be had at halftime of the Cowboys game

775
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: at dinner time. Like you go, you go over to

776
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: someone's house later in the afternoon, and you like schmooze,

777
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: and but I forget that most people have a Thanksgiving

778
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: meal by like between like noon and three, and we're

779
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: not sitting down with a plate until it's the halftime performance. Well,

780
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: plus here a little bit later in Dallas than it

781
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: is here in Arizona, So halftime of the Cowboys game

782
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: probably could be between noon and three here. I can't

783
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: remember off the top of my head. But yeah, and

784
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: look for a lot of people end up getting a

785
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: four day weekend. We do not. It's a regular Friday,

786
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 1: and it's a home game weekend. So It's a blip

787
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 1: in the radar, you know what, I've committed another grievous era.

788
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: And luckily when we have a couple of minutes to

789
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: cover this, although it probably warrants a lot more coverage, Danny,

790
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 1: what happened upon the Cardinals entrance into the team hotel

791
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: in Mexico City A futel. Thank you, Pau, because I

792
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 1: would have forgotten. How did we forget that? How did

793
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 1: Paul remember? God? How did we forget that? We were

794
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: walking into the hotel and we were it was a

795
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: warm welcome. There were mariachi bands, and they were fans,

796
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: and they were you know chant, you know, cheering at

797
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,280
Speaker 1: the players and coaches and asking for pictures and whatnot.

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00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 1: And I'll do the dramatic reenactment in the background as

799
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: you tell the story. Here we go and our group

800
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: is the last to enter, and we're going up the

801
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: escalators and they are fans right up right next to it.

802
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: And I'm on the escalator about halfway up, and I

803
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 1: just hear John and immediately the script was made. I mean,

804
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: everyone on the escalator from our department, their jaws dropped,

805
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: just a big smile like it was just incredible and

806
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that to make fun of you or

807
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 1: or the fan, because it wasn't the only fan. There

808
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 1: was another international fan. Later on, we were relaxing at

809
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: the hotel, lounging on some couches and another fan approach Darren,

810
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: saying how big of a fan he was, which I

811
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: love that we not we, Darren has international fans. It

812
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,280
Speaker 1: was just so great to see that. When the players

813
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: and coaches are walking in, Darren get singled out, and Darren,

814
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: to his credit, did go back down and he took

815
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: a picture with the fan and was talking to him.

816
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 1: But it was amazing to experience. Well, thank you. I

817
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: do appreciate. Look, I appreciate the people that appreciate what

818
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: I and what we do. I've gotten lots of compliments

819
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,439
Speaker 1: that we're both you guys over the years when people

820
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: sending stuff for mailbags and I, Look, this is a

821
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: tough time to be a Cardinals fan, and we get that,

822
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: and we also understand you may not want to be

823
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: consuming as much Cardinal content at this point. And so

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00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: if you are listening out there, we appreciate all of you,

825
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: and we hope we continue to keep it somewhat entertaining

826
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: and news Worth Newsworthy. Oh that was great. I mean, no,

827
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: that was really that was good stuff. That was I mean, honestly,

828
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Speaker 1: that was so all right, there you go. That'll be

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Speaker 1: This edition of Cardinal's Underground, brought to you by Darren

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Speaker 1: Urban