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Speaker 1: into the Tuesday morning podcast Good Stuff Today. Mike Silver

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Speaker 1: is going to join us. He's been breaking story on

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Speaker 1: the forty nine ers. He's got all sorts of stuff

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Speaker 1: on Tom Brady Good Podcast Today. You know, I was

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Speaker 1: way it always works. The smaller the town or the community, generally,

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Speaker 1: talk show host don't worry about alienating a certain team.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. You get into small towns, college towns,

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Speaker 1: At a college, they yank your pass. You can't get

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Speaker 1: So you look at Jordan Love this weekend, fifty percent

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Speaker 1: And by the way, structurally, we can't just cut you

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Speaker 1: now when we think and loves ready. So he's spoken

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Speaker 1: and you know, bust yeah, I mean they trained it

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Speaker 1: up to get him in the first round. He probably

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Speaker 1: has a chance to be, you know, a functional NFL quarterback.

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Speaker 1: But are they thinking that once you throw this guy in,

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Speaker 1: he's just gonna be the next guy? Note they can't be.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, Matt Lafloor and then could coach

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Speaker 1: a little and that offense is a good offense. So

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Speaker 1: he if he does have to play, he'll have a

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Speaker 1: chance to you know, to succeed on some level, but

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Speaker 1: you know, you can't get these people, you know, like

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers and Brett Farve. You know, you can't just

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Speaker 1: go get the next one. You know, twice in NFL

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Speaker 1: history we've had first ballot Hall of Famers follow one another.

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Speaker 1: Montana and Young, who I broke in covering every day

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Speaker 1: and they were together six years, and it was it

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Speaker 1: made Farvard Rodgers look like you know, you know, the

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Speaker 1: greatest love affair that's ever been among teammates. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it was six wrenching, brutal years and they didn't get

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Speaker 1: that long. They knew immediately though, by the year two

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Speaker 1: that Young could play right like Young. There were questions

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Speaker 1: about Young's delivery or accuracy. No, it wasn't the accuracy.

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Speaker 1: This was what it was, Joe. You know, there was

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Speaker 1: that incredible Walsh offense, which was based on timing and

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Speaker 1: he could run very fast and prolifically and with toughness

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Speaker 1: and make plays and so it was just a very

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Speaker 1: different way. So forty nine or fans and others in

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Speaker 1: the building who were purists and who were used to

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Speaker 1: Joe didn't like watching it. Sometimes that Aligneman didn't like it.

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Speaker 1: It was unpredictable, and and you know, when someone like

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Speaker 1: Steve Bono would come in and play and do it

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Speaker 1: the Montana way or Jeff Camp before that, it was

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Speaker 1: it felt more comfortable to people now. When Mike Holgre

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Speaker 1: left to become head coach of the Great Bay Packers

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Speaker 1: and Mike shannahead coming off a harsh firing by the

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Speaker 1: Broncos after a harsh firing against the Raiders, young head

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Speaker 1: coach Mike Shanahan came to replace him as the offensive coordinator.

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Speaker 1: Coming into the ninety two season, Montana hurt the elbow

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Speaker 1: for a second consecutive year, and Young, who had won

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Speaker 1: the passing title at ninety one but had lost a

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Speaker 1: lot of games in the clutch and they hadn't made

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. He and Young, these two kind of embattled guys, bonded,

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Speaker 1: and Mike shanahad taught Steve Yung how to read the

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Speaker 1: forty nine er away. And then it was stupid because

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Speaker 1: now you had this incredibly athletic guy who was accurate

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Speaker 1: and you know, tough and all that, but he was

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Speaker 1: reading it and then you ultimately saw six touchdowns in

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, and he's a first Hall of Famers.

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Speaker 1: So now that I cover the forty nine ers very

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Speaker 1: intensely given by new Gig at the Chronicle, and I've

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Speaker 1: covered Kyle, who I've known for decades, it is funny

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Speaker 1: how much of it comes full circle because Mike Chattahead

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Speaker 1: that next level. So good to have you back. Let

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Speaker 1: me ask you this. You went to cal You have

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Speaker 1: probably been experimental, like all cow bears at some point.

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Speaker 1: I mean bears, aren't they just like their honey. Cow

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Speaker 1: bears are different. So this psychedelic t which makes you

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Speaker 1: projectile vomit both ends. Right when you heard that story,

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Speaker 1: My thing is I probably wouldn't go public with it.

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Speaker 1: That was my first thing. My second thing was giving

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Speaker 1: the t credit. I'd probably give the floor credit, my

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Speaker 1: teammates credit. I probably wouldn't give it felt very self indulgent.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't give myself. I was awakened. I think it's

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Speaker 1: better to give others help. But what was your initial reaction?

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Speaker 1: It's possible that you and I just haven't had good

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Speaker 1: enough tea yet. I mean, you know, when we have

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Speaker 1: tea that is that transformative, we may credit it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm not very judgy when it comes to

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Speaker 1: a lot of things, including psychedelics. As you said, I've

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Speaker 1: spent a lot of time at Berkeley and College and

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Speaker 1: have lived in northern California for my adult life and

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Speaker 1: grew up in LA So you know, I think I

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Speaker 1: kind of have a whatever gets you through the night

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Speaker 1: mentality with other people. I personally do not enjoy projectile

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Speaker 1: vomiting out of either end, and certainly not of both.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't know. I mean, I think I

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Speaker 1: do think Erin is trying to be honest, and I

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Speaker 1: want to give him credit for that. Even in the

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Speaker 1: wake of the bad offseason with the Packers, he came

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Speaker 1: back and gave a press conference said answered every question

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Speaker 1: from his perspective, and I'm sure it was uncomfortable for

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Speaker 1: his bosses and at all that. But I do think

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Speaker 1: he's trying to be someone who is very self aware

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Speaker 1: and learned about himself and then honestly tell people what

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Speaker 1: he thinks is the secret sauce, you know, to a degree.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, all I can do is assume that,

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Speaker 1: you know, the way as he perceived it. It was

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Speaker 1: a really big thing. Yeah, now don't kids don't necessarily

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Speaker 1: go out and try that. But you know that's between

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Speaker 1: between you and your witch doctor. Yeah, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't vape. My daughter tells me, My son tells me.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people vape. I wouldn't even vape. Although

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Speaker 1: I grew up in the Pacific Northwest, there was a

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Speaker 1: lot of Mike. There was a lot of Merril Wanda

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Speaker 1: up there, a lot of it. And yeah, so I

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Speaker 1: used to have to clean. We took turns cleaning our

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Speaker 1: apartment when I went to Eastern Washington University. And so

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Speaker 1: one of my new roommates was a kid from Gainesville, Florida,

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Speaker 1: Jimmy sweet guy. A long way from Gainesville to Cheni.

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Speaker 1: He had a military pass so he could go to

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Speaker 1: the local military base and shop. So he shopped for us.

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Speaker 1: We'd give him money. Military bases you get great discounts.

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Speaker 1: So I had to vacuum. It was my day to

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Speaker 1: vacuum the apartment one Saturday, and so I'm vacuuming. Everybody's gone,

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Speaker 1: I'm vacuuming, and I'm in the closet there's stuff on

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Speaker 1: the ground and I see this like garbage bag. I

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Speaker 1: was weird and I kind of opened it up. It's

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Speaker 1: got like two hundred little bags of pot. And I'm

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Speaker 1: living with the campus dealer Jimmy from Gainesville. That's not

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Speaker 1: from the military base. I will say this. When I

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Speaker 1: got to callin nineteen eighty three was the year after

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Speaker 1: the play, you know, the famous kickoff return, and Joe

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Speaker 1: Capp was the coach and had a call. It had

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Speaker 1: a seven and four season. Uh, you know, off the play,

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Speaker 1: and there was some optimism, but you know, it wasn't

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Speaker 1: the most sophisticated offensive attack ever and uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: it ended up not going amazingly. But we did have

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Speaker 1: this All American I better not say the position, but

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Speaker 1: we had this All American candidate, skill player, and he

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Speaker 1: gave me a lot of hope that we've got this

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Speaker 1: one guy and what he gets the ball. This guy's

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Speaker 1: supposed to be an All American and he was a

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Speaker 1: physical freak, and I was really excited about the team

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Speaker 1: with this guy as a potential weapon. And I can't

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Speaker 1: confirm that this is true, but I heard pretty early

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Speaker 1: in the season that the one of the biggest mushroom

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Speaker 1: dealers on campus may have also been that person. So

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Speaker 1: go bets and here we are still looking for that

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Speaker 1: rose ball. Alright, Mike Silver, host of Open Mic, It

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Speaker 1: is great seeing him a man insight and humor. Azzola's

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Speaker 1: take everybody, I'd see one of you. If I saw

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Speaker 1: three of you, I would focus on the middle and

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Speaker 1: hope there were no trails. Thanks dude. The Volume. Make

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