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Speaker 4: Good stuff for the Grizzlies to get the win. Good

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Speaker 3: This is not good here. I mean hell, they basically

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Speaker 3: there from the Kings and looking more and more likely

429
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Speaker 3: like they're gonna they're gonna hopefully snap that playoff drought.

430
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Speaker 3: But yeah, and hey, the thunder crushing the Pacers one

431
00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:49,960
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty six points, they hung on them. Their

432
00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:54,640
Speaker 3: offense on fire right now, and they want to get

433
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Speaker 3: into that play in tournament or maybe even get up

434
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Speaker 3: even higher because so congested there in the standing. So

435
00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:02,160
Speaker 3: good stuff there from both those teams.

436
00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,719
Speaker 2: Well, okay, see'd be buyers. Sounds stupid by twenty one

437
00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:07,199
Speaker 2: days from now. They got so many picks.

438
00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,480
Speaker 3: Go for a baby, go for what we're got to start.

439
00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:12,720
Speaker 4: I mean, they're gonna make the play in tournament without

440
00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,560
Speaker 4: having to do anything. I think they're just good right now,

441
00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:17,879
Speaker 4: seven and three in their last ten shake. Gill just

442
00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,320
Speaker 4: Alexander's numbers are kind of ticking down a little bit,

443
00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:22,680
Speaker 4: but it's because Josh Giddy's playing incredibly well. In the

444
00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:24,840
Speaker 4: last ten games, they're both I think Chase at twenty

445
00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:26,960
Speaker 4: seven a game. Giddy's at twenty a game with like

446
00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:28,880
Speaker 4: another eight assists or something like that. They had forty

447
00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,560
Speaker 4: one assists on forty seven makes last night. They passed

448
00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,720
Speaker 4: the ball like crazy, and none of the teams chasing

449
00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,399
Speaker 4: him are consistent at all, Like you don't really believe

450
00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,399
Speaker 4: that Minnesota or Portland's going to get it together in

451
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Speaker 4: the second half and bypass the Thunder. The Thunder know

452
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Speaker 4: what they're doing. The only chance they missed the play

453
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Speaker 4: in I'm convinced at this point is if they shut

454
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Speaker 4: their guys.

455
00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,359
Speaker 3: If they want to, yeah, which I don't think they.

456
00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,000
Speaker 3: I feel like they won't do that this year. Don't

457
00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,199
Speaker 3: feel like that, Like you like, come on, you know

458
00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,920
Speaker 3: the like these are good. Also get into the playoffs

459
00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,640
Speaker 3: and get a playoff experience for all of these young guys.

460
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Speaker 3: Even it's good for the Grizzlies, right right, all right?

461
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,280
Speaker 3: Final one here we had Bam scoring twenty six. He

462
00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,640
Speaker 3: beat the Pelicans one twenty four to ninety eight blowout.

463
00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:11,000
Speaker 3: Lowry Markinen. He returned to help the Jazz destroy the Clippers,

464
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Speaker 3: and then Jason Kidd, you know, he's ripping the Mavericks

465
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,560
Speaker 3: defense after that third straight loss. As we talked about

466
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Speaker 3: the Hawks taking care of business there in Dallas. So

467
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Speaker 3: I want you to tell me who's down worst, the Pels,

468
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Speaker 3: the Clips or the MAVs.

469
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Speaker 2: What you got, Tesmos, it's the Clips. I'm done done. Yeah,

470
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Speaker 2: We're at a point here this season where these guys

471
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,960
Speaker 2: have to play and they just decided not to. There's

472
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Speaker 2: no there's no real Paul Georgia. Yeah, both of them

473
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Speaker 2: against against the Jazz, and Larry Markinen literally ripped them apart.

474
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,679
Speaker 2: Larry Markin is gonna have a great dunk compilation at

475
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Speaker 2: the end of the season, and he was doing it

476
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,600
Speaker 2: in each and every way. Just watch his highlights from

477
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,480
Speaker 2: this game. Pick and roll to start, got the touch

478
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,359
Speaker 2: from the five to eight foot range. He got blocked

479
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:06,119
Speaker 2: one time, went right back up. He's got the hooks,

480
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 2: he's got the three point shot. Obviously he is seven feet.

481
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,159
Speaker 2: I think it's easy to forget with the way he

482
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Speaker 2: shoots the ball, and he's got the three point shot

483
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 2: where he doesn't bring it down either, So it's just

484
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 2: difficult to guard that dude. And the Clips don't have

485
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,200
Speaker 2: a lot of fight, so you have to get it

486
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Speaker 2: together at some point. And there's the West is getting

487
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 2: it together. Around the Clippers. There other teams are rising

488
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,399
Speaker 2: and they are falling. So I think they are the

489
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Speaker 2: worst off of those three teams.

490
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Speaker 3: Who are you going with?

491
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Speaker 4: I mean, it's tough to say. The thing that bugs

492
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Speaker 4: me about the Clippers is that they lost to the

493
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Speaker 4: seventy six ers. Paul George says, urgency starts now, we've

494
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Speaker 4: got guys in and out of the lineup, and that

495
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 4: he didn't play against the Jets clowns. This team is

496
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Speaker 4: a bunch of bozos. But I think that the Mavericks

497
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 4: are down the worst right now, just cause better the

498
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:56,200
Speaker 4: team getting called out by their coach, Jason Kidd said,

499
00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 4: until we put a better effort into playing defense and

500
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 4: understanding what we have to do, we're gonna score one twenty,

501
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 4: but we're gonna give up one thirty one. One night,

502
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 4: we might give up one fifty, but we'll be fine.

503
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 3: Because we scored, so it doesn't look bad.

504
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 4: They can't play defense with Christian Wood in the starting lineup.

505
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,880
Speaker 4: They did get Dory and Finney Smith and Josh Greenback,

506
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,679
Speaker 4: who are defenders who will help Maxi Kleba says he's

507
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,119
Speaker 4: coming back before the All Star break after having surgery

508
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,120
Speaker 4: on a torn hamstring, surprising to hear, but he will

509
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:26,120
Speaker 4: help their defense. But you gotta worry about Maybe the

510
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,159
Speaker 4: Mavericks have been found out a little bit here. That

511
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,159
Speaker 4: happened to Jason Kidd with Milwaukee. He came they were

512
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 4: a bad defense. Joined, the Bucks defense went up to

513
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 4: number four, the next year, down to number twenty three. Joined,

514
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 4: the MAVs turned the defense around number six last year,

515
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:41,919
Speaker 4: down to twenty five right now. So I think the

516
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 4: helter skelter style he often plays, trying to force turnovers,

517
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 4: it works until the scouting report is out, and the

518
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 4: scouting report is out, and last night it was just

519
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,680
Speaker 4: the Hawks double teaming Luka Doncic and saying somebody else

520
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,679
Speaker 4: beat us. Nobody else in the fourth quarter could do it,

521
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 4: and the MAVs couldn't get stops. If you're not scoring

522
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,959
Speaker 4: and you're not stopping the other team from scoring, tough stuff.

523
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, the injuries obviously a part of that. During Phiddy

524
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 2: Smith to look bad in his first game back, and

525
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,159
Speaker 2: Josh green those guys need to be back. They need

526
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 2: to be healthy. That's what made them a good defense

527
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 2: last year along with Kaliba. That's big. So I think, yeah,

528
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,400
Speaker 2: they are down bad, there is no doubt, but they

529
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 2: just have to get some reps in while the Clippers

530
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 2: don't want to get reps in. And who's the third

531
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 2: team we tell, oh, the Pelicans. Another weird scenario where.

532
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 3: They three and seven in their last ten. But obviously

533
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 3: nos ions still no brainon England.

534
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the odd thing. At least have him back,

535
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,679
Speaker 2: but the toe has been keeping him out nearly two

536
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 2: months when there's been reports for like a month that

537
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 2: he's been coming back. So very strange scenario. They just

538
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 2: need some top end talent. They've hit a bad rut

539
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,120
Speaker 2: in terms of their schedule without two of their top

540
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 2: three players, so that's a problem, but I think can

541
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:54,640
Speaker 2: be overcome if their guys are healthy. I guess that's

542
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 2: the question.

543
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 3: Mark, Yeah, it's I do like to see Jalen Rose

544
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 3: finally jumping on the f this Clippers bandwagon. I know

545
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 3: there was a clip going around yesterday where he's calling

546
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 3: out like the urgency should have started when Kawhi and

547
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 3: Paul George came to LA and we're still waiting on

548
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 3: them to meet any sort of expectations. But good luck

549
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 3: with waiting. And yeah, I've said it last night on

550
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 3: our playback, I've said it before. TK just said it

551
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 3: five minutes ago that I have no faith in this

552
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 3: team whatsoever. Of these three teams. I mean, actually remove

553
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 3: the Pelicans because they have stars coming back, but like

554
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 3: there's so much pressure on the Clippers, of course, and

555
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 3: the Mavericks are getting to that level when you have

556
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 3: a player at Luca's caliber to do something here too.

557
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 3: Will they get a little desperate these teams to try

558
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,919
Speaker 3: and shake something up at the trade deadline to salvage

559
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 3: their season because their top end talent is so great

560
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 3: that they could go very far in a playoff series.

561
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 3: They should with Kawhi PG or Luca in Dallas' case,

562
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 3: I wonder if they will.

563
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 2: You'd think the Clippers would have some urgency and they'd

564
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 2: care to try and win now, but I don't think

565
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 2: they care. Paul George and Kawhi Leonard are signed for

566
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 2: a billion years beyond this year. They're signed for a

567
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 2: long time, so I don't see any urgency. Maybe you're

568
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 2: saying from the front office. But I don't see any

569
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:18,640
Speaker 2: urgency from the MAVs. Yeah, I could see something happening. Yeah,

570
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 2: but from the clips. Yeah, yeah, we'll be good. Yeah,

571
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 2: we'll get our guys down the road.

572
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 3: A little bit more. You just wait until we're healthy.

573
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 3: Next year. We're gonna improsible. We're gonna be preseason favorites

574
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 3: to win the title. Uh. The other games last night,

575
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 3: just quickly, LaMelo Ball got injured again, that ankle, but

576
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 3: the Hornets won because they're playing the Rockets. They won

577
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 3: one twenty two, one seventeen. I'm just waiting to see, Uh,

578
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 3: probably right after we stopped recording this podcast, maybe Steven

579
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 3: Silas is no longer the Houston Rockets head coach. It's

580
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 3: very very bad there in Houston. And we also had

581
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 3: Bradley Beal returning from injury as the Wizard's got a

582
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 3: victory over the Knicks. Any thoughts on either of those

583
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 3: games or those teams involved.

584
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Speaker 4: Lamela's got a lot of bad luck this season. He

585
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 4: stepped on a foot in the preseason to script sprain

586
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 4: his ankle, which you know is like that just sucks,

587
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 4: but that's the one that happens a lot. His second

588
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 4: ankle sprain stepped on a fans foot out for a

589
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 4: long time, and last night he got his foot stepped on. Yeah,

590
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 4: those ones suck. The last two are bad. It's like

591
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 4: occupational hazard stepping on somebody else's foot, but a fan,

592
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 4: and then have somebody step on your foot. That sucks.

593
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 4: But yeah, twelve straight losses for the Rockets. They've actually

594
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 4: lost seventeen of their last eighteen. They shouldn't be the

595
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 4: worst offense in the League's kind of what it comes

596
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 4: down to for me when your three best players are

597
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 4: all offense first players. But Steven Silas, I think his

598
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 4: contract goes through the twenty twenty four season, so it

599
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 4: will be a question of does Tillman Furtita want to

600
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 4: pay a coach to not coach their team. But there's

601
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 4: a lot of tension underneath the surface. It certainly feels

602
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 4: like with the Rockets, and this is not a team

603
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 4: that has shown any cohesion at all this year.

604
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 2: I don't like this Wizard's team either. I mean, we're

605
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 2: talking about the the Wizard's coming back with Bradley Beal

606
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 2: and beating this next team. We'll get into the next

607
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,919
Speaker 2: segment about what they should be doing and they seemingly

608
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 2: want to be going for it, which is odd. It's

609
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 2: an odd scenario. We've been talking about the Clippers as

610
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 2: a team that perennially thinks that they can go for it.

611
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 2: The Wizards are in the same boat with a sub

612
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,439
Speaker 2: five hundred team. So yeah, they get a victory. Bradley

613
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 2: Beal comes back and Knicks have an off night, but

614
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 2: it's it's difficult to rally around this Wizard's ross.

615
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 3: Bal looked okay in his return. I'll give him that.

616
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 3: He scored eighteen points, seven to eleven shooting. You know,

617
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 3: they didn't win a lot of games without him, They

618
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 3: went one in four, so it gets them the victory.

619
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Speaker 3: Last night, Kuzma played well again. Yeah, the big things

620
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 3: in that were Randall had a garbage night. He was

621
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 3: even if you look at his box score, you're gonna

622
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 3: be like, not that bass ketss Like it was bad.

623
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 3: A lot of that came like in sort of like

624
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 3: garbage time, honestly. And then Mitchell Robinson man I keep

625
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 3: saying this, but uh, oh, hold your breath, because he

626
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 3: played nine minutes left the game, sprained right thumb, and

627
00:28:58,120 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 3: the Knicks are a different team when that guy does

628
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 3: not play and it gives the backbone of that defense

629
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 3: a little bit. So we'll see. Hopefully it's nothing serious.

630
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 3: But let's take our first break. When we come back,

631
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 3: we will talk about the Wizards. Some trade rumors swirling

632
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 3: that team, and Bobby Marx with trades he'd like to see,

633
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 3: we're gonna grade them, don't go anywhere, all right. According

634
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 3: to our guys at the Athletic, the Wizards have had

635
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 3: trade discussions with multiple teams centered around really Hatchamura, the

636
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 3: fourth year forward who is set to become a restricted

637
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 3: free agent in July, has drawn interest from several Western

638
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 3: Conference teams. That's an interesting little part of the East.

639
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 3: Not interested West, definitely interested in really Hotchamurah. But yeah,

640
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Speaker 3: what'd you make of this report here from Shams and Robbins.

641
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 2: It feels like a wizardry thing to do to buy

642
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 2: into their big boys, to buy into Beal Perzingis and

643
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 2: potentially Kusma. I think that's the biggest thing here, because

644
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 2: at some point, if you're the Wiz, you got to

645
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 2: start selling off your draft picks that you've you've traded

646
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 2: because you're gonna pay these guys your your your top

647
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 2: end talent. So they're nineteen and twenty six and they

648
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 2: feel it feels like they want to re sign Beial,

649
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 2: Porzingis at some point and Kuzma. If those three guys

650
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 2: get paid next year, that's well over one hundred million

651
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 2: dollars for those three for nineteen to twenty sixteen. I

652
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 2: understand Ruey has not lived up to his potential, Danny

653
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 2: Avdia not lived up to his potential to this point. Still,

654
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 2: you're way below five hundred, even with your heavy hitters.

655
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 2: So it's it's an odd direction, I think for the franchise.

656
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 2: But that's what's been happening for years.

657
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 3: Right, So you're saying, if the Wizard's trade Rui here,

658
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 3: it's probably signaling to you and other teams like they

659
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 3: want to sign Kuzma, who is very very very likely

660
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 3: going to decline his thirteen million dollar player option for

661
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 3: next season. Test the market and yeah, pay one hundred

662
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 3: and ten million dollars. Porzingis about one hundred and ten.

663
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 2: It's a fun headline. This team has three twenty points

664
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 2: scores eight, it doesn't matter. They're subplight hundred.

665
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 3: They do.

666
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, they do have three twenty points scores.

667
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's cool. It looks great, they're great, they ain't awesome.

668
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 3: Right right? Yeah, so should but how do you feel

669
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 3: about really huch Mura and his career so far? And

670
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 3: is this just like Testad a Wizard's like thing to do,

671
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 3: or they would move off a top ten pick that's

672
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 3: fourth year.

673
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he was a top ten pick, but

674
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 4: that just because of the draft he was in. I mean,

675
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 4: he's gonna be twenty five at the trade deadline. That's

676
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 4: surprising to me that he's that much older than Danny Abdia,

677
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 4: So I'm not surprised that Abdivida would be the guy

678
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 4: that they would choose between those two. You just have

679
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 4: to hope it's posturing season for the Wizards saying that

680
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 4: they're going to resign Kyle or Kyle Kuzma going forward,

681
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 4: because you're right, you don't want to pay one hundred

682
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 4: million dollars to have that as your big three. But

683
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 4: Kuzma's a guy who's going to be in demand at

684
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 4: the trade deadline, so maybe they're trying to say, hey,

685
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 4: we're gonna resign this guy, so you better make that offer. Yeah,

686
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 4: really really good, because that that's not great going forward

687
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 4: with that team bought the Wizards as we know, are

688
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 4: a team. They don't tank. They're not down a whole

689
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 4: bunch of picks either. They've got a first rounder going

690
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 4: to New York, I think, but that's pretty much it.

691
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 4: All their second rounders are gone, basically, but at least

692
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 4: they got their first. So I don't know if you're

693
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 4: if a team is interested in really hotcha Mura, they'll

694
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 4: give you a couple second round draft picks. I think

695
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 4: that's fine. He's coming off the bench for them. He's

696
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 4: had an okay season but hasn't taken a huge step

697
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 4: forward or anything.

698
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's nothing wrong with trading he has been underwhelming. Yeah,

699
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 2: the problem is the other guys that they're buying into.

700
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 2: I think, right, yeah, if it's posturing season, good move,

701
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 2: good posture. But at this point it sure looks like

702
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 2: because of their history that they're gonna pay Kuzma. But

703
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 2: who knows? Who knows?

704
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 3: All Right, the twenty twenty three NBA trade deadline, it's

705
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 3: less than a month away, and there hasn't been much

706
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 3: trade activity. In fact, there's been one single trade since

707
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 3: the season tipped off. Do you remember what the trade was?

708
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 4: No, Avonley.

709
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 3: That's right, they're doing a stream, Celtic sent Noah Vonley

710
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 3: to the Spurs to lower their luxury tax bill, and

711
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,959
Speaker 3: then Noahvonley was immediately wave there by said anti, that's

712
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 3: the only trade we've had. Thankfully. ESPN's Bobby Marx he's

713
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 3: a madman, and he recently identified one trade he would

714
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 3: like to see from each team between now and the deadline.

715
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 3: I've picked a few of our favorites and we're going

716
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 3: to grade them. So let's grade that trade. Yeah, classes obsession,

717
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 3: very nice headmanship there on that board, all right, So yeah,

718
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,959
Speaker 3: I just picked a couple of my favorite trades that

719
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 3: ESPN's Bobby Marx throughout in his recent articles that he

720
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 3: would like to see possibly happen, and we're gonna grade him.

721
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 3: So first one, let's start with Miami Heat and the

722
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 3: Minnesota Timberwolves. We are swapping some point guards here. The Heat,

723
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 3: in this hypothetical trade, would receive D'Angelo Russell and a

724
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 3: future second round pick, while the Timberwolves would receive the

725
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 3: groat Kyle Lowry and dead man walking Dwayne Deadmond. So

726
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 3: you know, really hear a Russell for Lowry situation? Who

727
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 3: says nowhere or great? That trade? However, you want to

728
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 3: go about this. What do you got? What are your opinions?

729
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,919
Speaker 4: I grade this trade, send it, I'm gonna mind it. Yeah.

730
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 4: I don't really think that this changes anything for either team,

731
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,720
Speaker 4: but it might. That's the exciting thing. I think Miami,

732
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 4: if you're looking at teams in the NBA, might have

733
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 4: the best chance of rehabing a guy like D'Angelo Russell,

734
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 4: whose value is pretty low right now, but trade deadline

735
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 4: time last season, people were talking Russell up as an

736
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 4: important part of the Timberwolves and the way he was

737
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 4: quarterbacking their defense. He can get hot from outside, he

738
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 4: can play make Those are things that the Heat certainly need,

739
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 4: and players often succeed in a better culture like Miami's.

740
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 4: They also get off Kyle Lowry one year early on

741
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 4: his deal, which then gives the Heat a chance to

742
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,800
Speaker 4: chase free agents. They're a team that actually signs free agents.

743
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 4: There are about three of them in Miami is one

744
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 4: of them, So I think that's okay for the Heat. Minnesota.

745
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 4: It's all about the vibes. They're getting a couple of

746
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 4: red ass guys, and Kyle Lowry and Dwayne Deadman, who

747
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 4: are gonna play physical, who are gonna yell at the

748
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 4: young guys to give effort on the court, like Lowry

749
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 4: is pretty washed at this point, but he's gonna give

750
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 4: them what they had in Patrick Beverley last year, which

751
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 4: is something they need places physically on the defensive end,

752
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 4: and the Timberwolves are coming off on the defensive end,

753
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 4: so I think it's all right. They're also getting something

754
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 4: for Dangelo Russell when it doesn't really feel like you

755
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 4: can get a whole bunch for Dangelo Russell right now.

756
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 3: So you don't mind it.

757
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 4: I don't mind it. I don't mind it. It's not

758
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 4: an exciting one, but I don't mind it.

759
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 3: He's saying, so oh they get worse than this, so.

760
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah yeah, but hey man, to all starts

761
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 4: in this trade, I know. That's why I started with

762
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 4: the beggar here and a twenty twenty eight second round pick.

763
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 3: All right, So he likes it. Yeah.

764
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 2: I think Bobby hit it out of the park with

765
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 2: this one. I think this is the Ray move basically

766
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 2: with the Kyle Lowry. You want somebody on the Wolves

767
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 2: to do a little bit less than what Dangelo Russell

768
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 2: was doing, So that's perfect. He will do less. He

769
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 2: will act as a complimentary piece.

770
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a coach on the floor basically.

771
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he'll let Anthony Edwards do his thing. While

772
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 2: with the Heat, you want somebody to do a little

773
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 2: bit more. You want somebody to have a little bit

774
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 2: more offensive ceiling. Now, the Heat, when they sign Kyle Lowry,

775
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 2: wish they wouldn't have to make this deal, but Lowry

776
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,720
Speaker 2: has not played to his capabilities, so that's the problem.

777
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 2: They would hope that they wouldn't have to make this deal,

778
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 2: but they got a guy with a bit of a

779
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 2: higher ceiling and in terms of just the offensive output

780
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 2: can make place can potentially get hot, and Lowry hasn't

781
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 2: shown that through his year and a half with the

782
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 2: Miami Heat. So I think it does make sense on

783
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 2: both counts. They're the Heat are a little desperate. They

784
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 2: would they want to make something happen right now while

785
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 2: Jimmy still got the legs, and this is an attempt.

786
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 2: That would be an attempt. They don't need the defense,

787
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 2: they need the offense. So it makes sense.

788
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 3: Okay, let's hear from everybody in the stream team the

789
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 3: classic who says no, or you can grade that trade

790
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 3: if you'd like to do that as well. These guys,

791
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 3: they like it. Bobby marks eight plus from the guys

792
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 3: here at no dunks that one at least or at

793
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 3: least a na okay. Next one, let's talk a little

794
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 3: bit about Jay Crowder. He still is on the Suns,

795
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 3: so let's ski him off that team. Bobby has Jay

796
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 3: Crowder going to Milwaukee for some wing help there as

797
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 3: they try and go get another title where Phoenix would

798
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 3: receive Pat Conaton and Jordan Nora. What do you think

799
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 3: of this one? Obviously it's not a blockbuster like that

800
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 3: last one, but jam Crowder to the box and some

801
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 3: pieces coming back that hypothetically could maybe help the Suns.

802
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 4: This one, to me gets an lol because Bob also

803
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 4: pitched George Hill and Pat Connaton for Jay Crowder in

804
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 4: the Eastern Conference version of this trade, so he's like,

805
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 4: just get Jake Crowder to Milwaukee. It feels like it

806
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 4: makes sense. But I wouldn't do this particular trade because

807
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 4: the Buck's getting older and slower. I don't think that's

808
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 4: the greatest move right now. I would say your biggest

809
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 4: concerns with the Bucks are obviously health first and foremost

810
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 4: with Middleton and be honest, missing a little bit of

811
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 4: time here, But also that's just not a team that

812
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 4: has a whole to the athleticism. Jay Crowder hasn't played

813
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 4: in six months. He's not a much better shooter than

814
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 4: Pat Connaton is. I think the key for the Bucks

815
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,720
Speaker 4: getting better is finding a way to get Jay Crowder

816
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 4: without giving up any sort of their any sort of

817
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 4: their rotation, and for Conaton to get back to like

818
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 4: at least a league average three point shooter, if not better,

819
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 4: like he has been for the past couple of seasons.

820
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 4: So I don't like the idea of the Bucks using

821
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 4: their limited trade pieces here to get old and slow,

822
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 4: because sometimes they look old and slow, right.

823
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 2: I totally agree bad grades for Bobby on this one.

824
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 2: Bad bad marks Bobby. I don't like this one. It

825
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 2: doesn't really make a ton of sense. Milwaukee hits enough

826
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 2: three point shots if that's the angle here their last

827
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 2: five games, and without Yannis for for these last four,

828
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 2: they've hit nineteen twenty three, nineteen twenty two without the

829
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 2: gravity of Yannison and eighteen last game Yann's played. So

830
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 2: they don't need Jake Crowders.

831
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 3: Right, because of brook because of Drew, because of aland

832
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 3: enough even.

833
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 2: Got so many and they've already added recently, an old

834
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,760
Speaker 2: man in Joe said the rotation, which is good, which

835
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 2: is great, He looks great. He has thrown the ball

836
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 2: up to Janni's. But they need more athleticism rather than

837
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 2: another oldie. So why get rid of Pat? Even Jordan

838
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 2: Warrick can get hot and there's some athleticis in there.

839
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 2: It's still more of a long term deal with Jordan

840
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 2: warre But doesn't really make sense to me, doesn't. I

841
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 2: don't get it. They want somebody to get downhill and

842
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 2: you're gonna take away Grayson Allen's minutes. I mean, I

843
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 2: just I just don't. I just don't get it. It

844
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 2: doesn't really doesn't move the Neal.

845
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 3: Well, we're not done with Jay Crowder because Bobby Marks

846
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 3: was thrown out. A hypothetical three team deal. Oh my god, Jerome,

847
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 3: do we have the graphic for this? I'm not even sure.

848
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 3: Yes we do, all right, we're going vert, Bobby Marx,

849
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 3: We're going Vert, says In this hypothetical three team deal,

850
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 3: it's with the Spurs, the Sons and the Knicks. The

851
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 3: Spurs would receive Daria Sarach, Evan Fournier and that contract

852
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 3: a twenty twenty three first round pick by way of

853
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 3: Washington and a twenty twenty four first round pick from Phoenix.

854
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 3: Phoenix would receive Yaka Perle and Cam Reddish, and the

855
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 3: Knicks would receive Jay Crowder and Joshakoji. I don't think

856
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 3: this is that bad, especially it's you know, it gets

857
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 3: difficult when you're doing a three team deal. But uh,

858
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 3: what was your take on this one?

859
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 2: TK?

860
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 4: I think Bobby's chucking garlic on this one. This is

861
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,879
Speaker 4: a wild trade. The Spurs would do this getting two

862
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 4: first rounders for Pearl Ye everybody else doesn't make sense

863
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 4: at all to me.

864
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 3: Okay, go on, why for the Sons and the Knicks.

865
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 4: I don't think the Knicks should be trading a spare

866
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 4: first rounder for Jay Crowder. That doesn't seem like a

867
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:34,879
Speaker 4: wise move to me. I suppose they would be paying

868
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 4: to get off Evan Foignier's contract is the big thing,

869
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 4: but Crowder is not the missing piece for them. Phoenix

870
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 4: trading a first rounder for an expiring center and a

871
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 4: non bucket getter that doesn't make sense to me. James

872
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 4: Jones not a big draft guy, so they can trade

873
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 4: their picks if they want to, but it only makes

874
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 4: sense to trade for to trade for a guy like

875
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 4: Pearl if they're gonna move Eighten m hm. Because Pearl

876
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 4: his contract expires at the end of the season, so

877
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 4: it's either a rental or you're gonna have to pay

878
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 4: him and then suddenly you're paying fifty million dollars for

879
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 4: your center spot, right, doesn't make sense.

880
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 3: It would have to include this hypothetical. I guess moving

881
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 3: off of Aiden, Yeah, yeah, because you're right, Okay.

882
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I don't know. This one just doesn't make

883
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 4: sense to me.

884
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 2: I don't know.

885
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 4: I wouldn't trade a first round pick for Pearl or

886
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 4: for Reddish, so getting both of them, I guess it's

887
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 4: half each. Maybe that makes more sense, but but I

888
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 4: don't know. This one's a chuck and garlic here.

889
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I agree a plus for the Spurs if

890
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 2: they get two first round picks for Yaku peardl Sure,

891
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 2: but I agree if Phoenix needs points, they need to score,

892
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 2: and so Yakub's not that type of guy, and they've

893
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 2: got a bunch of guys coming back eventually, Cam Johnson

894
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 2: would be in there. If you think that Yaka Purtle

895
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 2: could play with DeAndre Ayton, I guess there's that possibility

896
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 2: that they think that sure, but he'd be taking away

897
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 2: minutes from Cam Johnson, who gets points, and so it

898
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 2: doesn't really make sense, even if Phoenix hates draft picks.

899
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 2: And same for the Knicks. I think it makes a

900
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 2: little more sense for the Knicks. Yes, to have a

901
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 2: veteran guy who fires threes. Our first round pick is

902
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 2: what everyone's asking for now. So you're asking for a

903
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 2: first round pick for Jay Crowder, but that price would

904
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 2: come down, so if the Knicks could get him for

905
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 2: something else. And I think Bobby is taken into account

906
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 2: here that the Knicks have a ton of first round

907
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 2: picks this year, so they'd throw one out to have

908
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 2: Jay Crowder on the roster. It's it's not a terrible idea,

909
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 2: but I think the price can come down.

910
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 3: Okay, let's switch it up here. Let's go to a

911
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:36,240
Speaker 3: Hornet's Warriors trade from Bobby. The Hornets receive James Wiseman.

912
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 4: Remember him, remember?

913
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 3: And Moses Moody. Okay, so some young guys from the

914
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 3: Warriors there in exchange for some help, you know, to

915
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,240
Speaker 3: go for it again. PJ. Washington. This should be tracks

916
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 3: of the NBA. Jalen McDaniels and the plumb Dog himself,

917
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 3: Mason Plumbly. Let's start with you on this one tasks

918
00:42:58,719 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 3: two warriors.

919
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 2: We have it up too much for potential Washington and

920
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 2: Plumbley reinforcements in the playoffs. I think that's too much

921
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 2: two prospects to have Mason Plumley come in and back

922
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 2: up Kevon Looney and just grab some boards at times.

923
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 2: That price is way too I think you can find

924
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 2: a backup center for something less than that. I mean,

925
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 2: you're giving up Moses Moody, who you'd think could be

926
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 2: a long term player for their team as a three

927
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,240
Speaker 2: and D type guy, and James Wiseman, who's everybody's stock

928
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 2: is ridiculously low on. But that's what you're paying for

929
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 2: Mason Plumley and PJ. Washington When you have I know,

930
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,919
Speaker 2: Jamichael Green hasn't really worked out. You've got to cheap

931
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 2: Anthony Lamb. They're just paying way too much. I don't

932
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 2: really get it. You got you you want, Jalen McDaniels,

933
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 2: you already have Moses Moody. I just I don't get it.

934
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 2: It's way too high a price. But if Charlotte can

935
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 2: get this for a three for two for their prospects.

936
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 2: Sure you do it. I'd be I'd be a home

937
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 2: run I think for Charlotte. But I don't see the

938
00:43:59,200 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 2: Warriors doing this.

939
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 4: What do you think, TK, I think that this is

940
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 4: a good trade. This is a be to me. I

941
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 4: don't love giving up Moody either, but it's like Calico

942
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,919
Speaker 4: cut pants. You gotta give, you gotta give, you gotta

943
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 4: give if you want to get something back. The young

944
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 4: guys haven't performed for the Warriors this year. The veterans

945
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 4: were instrumental to the title last season. Amania be Alitza

946
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 4: Otto Porter, Gary Payton. I mean the players that the

947
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 4: Warriors would be returned getting back.

948
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 3: PJ.

949
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,760
Speaker 4: Washington, Jalen McDaniels, and Mason Plumley aren't like huge names,

950
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 4: but if you say stretch, big, long wing, large body,

951
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 4: those are all helpful types off the bench, and more importantly,

952
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 4: it saves your starting lineup minutes for the rest of

953
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 4: the regular season. The Warriors starting lineup is awesome, They're

954
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 4: just gonna need a couple of guys who can stop

955
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,720
Speaker 4: up minutes come playoff time. They're already up to sixth

956
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 4: right now. I'm out on Wiseman personally. So I don't

957
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 4: really think the Warriors are giving up much here. And

958
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 4: if Moody was playing well this season, if he was

959
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 4: really in the rotation, they wouldn't be looking to upgrade.

960
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 4: But I think the Warriors have a chance to win

961
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 4: the title. As we know Draymond basically saying this is

962
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 4: the last dance. The writing's on the wall. I might

963
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 4: be gone next year. The Warriors need to do everything

964
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 4: they can to try and win as many titles while

965
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,919
Speaker 4: Steph Curry is still in his prime. So I think that, yeah,

966
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 4: it's a bummer to give up on Moody so quickly,

967
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 4: but you're giving up something to increase your title chances

968
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 4: just a little bit, and I think it would be

969
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 4: worth it for the Warriors.

970
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 3: All Right, Final one guys, Lakers and Magic. We had

971
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 3: to throw a Lakers trade in right, Lakers received Terrence Ross. Yes,

972
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 3: we finally trade him from the Orlando Magic in exchange.

973
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 3: It's not a whole lot. Patrick Beverley, who in theory

974
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 3: could just be even waved and then he could go

975
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 3: sign again with the Wolves and the twenty twenty three

976
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 3: second round pick. Do you even have an opinion on

977
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:42,280
Speaker 3: this trade?

978
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,760
Speaker 4: I didn't even know this is one we were talking about.

979
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, this one just felt This just feels like

980
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 3: a real NBA trade that we could see. That's why

981
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:52,959
Speaker 3: I wanted to include.

982
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 2: It the Lakers.

983
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 3: The Lakers would do that.

984
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, good for them. Terrence Ross on

985
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 2: a team with I'm aspirations, that'd be nice for him.

986
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 2: But you know, if if the Spurs can get two

987
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 2: first rounders for a former first a former Raptor in

988
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 2: Yaka Perdle, the Magic can hope for one first round

989
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:14,280
Speaker 2: pick for Terrence Ross.

990
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 3: Elly, that would have happened. That would have happened the

991
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 3: last two years. If that's possible I think at this point.

992
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably not, but you know we're we're working Yakum

993
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 2: for two, try for one, but a second round pick. Yeah,

994
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 2: of course the Lakers would make this deal.

995
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:34,919
Speaker 4: Try well, send it yeah yeah, call it in, Call

996
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:36,919
Speaker 4: it in, and then then we can talk about who's

997
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 4: picking up Patrick Beverley on the buyout market. Yeah, be

998
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 4: the hottest buyout market guy in the game.

999
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 3: Well there you go. All right, there's five trades from

1000
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 3: Bobby Mark's Grade them away. If you're listening to the podcast,

1001
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 3: tweet him, Tweet your thoughts into at no dunk sinc.

1002
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 3: Or let us know here in the stream team or

1003
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 3: the YouTube comments. If you enjoyed that segment, grade that trade.

1004
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 3: Bobby's got twenty five other trades. I gotta pick some

1005
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 3: more for tomorrow. For crying out out on the drop

1006
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 3: podcast back you tell us, but we're gonna tear our

1007
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 3: fire break when we come back. Pick them results and

1008
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 3: a very lengthy tweet of the night exchange, don't go anywhere,

1009
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 3: all right. Last night's game was the Hawks MAVs in

1010
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 3: our pickham Dallas was the favorites by three and a half,

1011
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 3: so they had to win by four more. They couldn't

1012
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 3: even win. Atlanta w the stink of me rubbing off

1013
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 3: on Trey Kirby, who was hot, hot hot, but task

1014
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 3: got it done. You improved to six and six, So

1015
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 3: five hundred there basically just like the Hawks. Right, and

1016
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 3: I'm three and nine, Trey's nine and three. What's tonight's game?

1017
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 2: Finals rematch? Warriors going to visit the Boston Celtics. Celtics

1018
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,879
Speaker 2: are favored by six point five points.

1019
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 3: Too many points, I say, yeah, that's why you're taking

1020
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 3: They're gonna.

1021
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 2: Lose by Well, they did play earlier in the season.

1022
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 2: Forgot that they did play the Warriors took care of

1023
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:56,720
Speaker 2: business in Golden State.

1024
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 3: They did, did they know they're good at home?

1025
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 2: So yeah, Trey and I think that the Celtics will

1026
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 2: in buy seven or more skeets. You got the Warriors

1027
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 2: to lose or win.

1028
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 3: Sure, Sure, which just happened a lot in our pickums.

1029
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 3: You know when someone whoever takes that dog thinking you

1030
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 3: just got to cover. Yeah, right, winning that happens a lot.

1031
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 3: Let's get to tweet of the night.

1032
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:20,919
Speaker 2: Tweet of the night.

1033
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 4: Wow, oh yeah.

1034
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:25,879
Speaker 3: The tweet of the night. It actually started a day

1035
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 3: prior and it started with Stan van Gundy at Real

1036
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 3: Stan VG on Wednesday tweeted nineties NBA teams had just

1037
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,320
Speaker 3: a trainer and a strength coach. They practiced more often

1038
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 3: and harder, and played more back to backs. Teams now

1039
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 3: have huge medical and performance staffs and value rest over practice,

1040
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 3: Yet injuries and games missed our way up. Something's not working.

1041
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 3: It's the fire tweet there from Stan Van Well. Kevin

1042
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 3: Durant saw it and he said Stan spitting, he's agreeing

1043
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 3: with them. That's nice of Katie Well. Stan wrote back, No,

1044
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 3: I'm not criticizing players. I'm saying that we are getting

1045
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 3: something wrong and how we prepare and train players. We

1046
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 3: can't do anything about injuries like yours. Talking to KD

1047
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 3: he fell on your leg, but all of these groin

1048
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 3: and hamstring injuries, et cetera shouldn't be happening as much

1049
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 3: as they are. So Katie had to respond, Stan, I

1050
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 3: agree with you, and then threw it in lol. And

1051
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 3: then a lot of people, including East River Heron, jumped

1052
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 3: in to tell Stan, hey, Stan, spitting means your speaking facts,

1053
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 3: to which Stan replied had no idea. So you know,

1054
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 3: sometimes it's very easy when it comes to tweet of

1055
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 3: the night. You don't need to overthink it, because this

1056
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,919
Speaker 3: one had everybody writing blog posts and sharing it and

1057
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 3: chiming in and laughing. You know, Stan learns something, and

1058
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 3: I don't think we have the time right now. We

1059
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 3: could get into Stan's actual first tweet and whether you

1060
00:49:55,920 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 3: agree or disagree with that, but Katie did and then

1061
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 3: was still upset, and he thought he didn't because he

1062
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 3: didn't know what you know, spit spitting spitting it was

1063
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 3: all about which I mean, I guess an older man

1064
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 3: in Stan man Gunny's spittings like that's gross. I spin

1065
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 3: on that. I don't like that that's what he's thinking.

1066
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I feel like Jeff Van Gundy knew what

1067
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 4: spitting meant, though he would know. He's a he's more

1068
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 4: up to date on his slang. They tend to think.

1069
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 4: But yeah, this is this is just nice, just good man.

1070
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 4: I love to see a funny interaction stan agreeing out there.

1071
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 2: He made a mistake though, you would just assume that

1072
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 2: spitting is negative. Why would he google it like.

1073
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 3: Spitting like like at the Urban Stan spitting.

1074
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 2: He just assumes stance spitting facts. No, Well, I think

1075
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 2: he's a he's a Twitter guy. People come at him.

1076
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 2: He's got strong takes, not only on basketball but on

1077
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 2: the political world. So people come at him. And so

1078
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 2: he's just assuming no one's friendly on Twitter, Kevin and

1079
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 2: trying to slap me up.

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00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 3: Well yeah, and also to add to that, he's you know,

1081
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 3: this is a I mean controversial I don't know, but

1082
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 3: this is a bit of a take here from stan

1083
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 3: Van making again a bit of a valid point. And

1084
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 3: then he's saying this, and then a player is responding,

1085
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 3: So I think he's immediately thinking, well, the player, especially

1086
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 3: the guy who's dealt with injuries, who's actually injured right now,

1087
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,720
Speaker 3: is going to come back in defense of the players.

1088
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:30,959
Speaker 3: But Katy swerved and he's actually agreed with gotcha, sure right?

1089
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 3: And you know, maybe Katie should have put Stan spitting facts,

1090
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 3: should have added facts at the end.

1091
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no.

1092
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 4: The youth doesn't need to change the way they talk

1093
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 4: for the Let them live.

1094
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 2: Man, we got there again.

1095
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, like spitting a new one.

1096
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 3: How old Stan van Gunn sixty three is? Yes, and

1097
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 3: he is younger than Jeffrey. I think he is younger

1098
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 3: than Jeffrey. Yeah, I'm looking it up. Jeff Van Gundy's

1099
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 3: age is sixty one. Jeff's younger Jeff. Then stand the man,

1100
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,280
Speaker 3: So that makes sense. He would have known what spitting

1101
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 3: is spitting? Are you spitting enough? Wow? Who looks older? Younger?

1102
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 3: I feel like Stan Man looks younger than jeffyan Gundy

1103
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 3: to me, I don't know why.

1104
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 2: Really, coin flip, that's a coin flipping. Yeah, it could be.

1105
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:27,439
Speaker 4: You're flipping.

1106
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 3: You're saying this is not a Leo Routin's Jack Armstrong

1107
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 3: situation here, As surprising as that one is, you're thinking

1108
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:37,280
Speaker 3: Leo is the younger between the two. But Jack, actually

1109
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:41,359
Speaker 3: is you think this one's a wash? Almost basically, Yeah, it.

1110
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:45,720
Speaker 2: Feels like Jeff's been around longer, so definitely that's why.

1111
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, just been around longer. He's been a coach, was

1112
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 3: a coach longer.

1113
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 4: We been coaching mid nineties and Stan got a got

1114
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:54,760
Speaker 4: his first job until much.

1115
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 2: Later, the mighty heat later four is.

1116
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 4: When Stan van Gundhi became head coach for the first time.

1117
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 3: Two three thousand and three, two thousand.

1118
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 2: And four Wade's rookie year. So uh, yeah, that's why

1119
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 2: you assume Jeff is older, but standing not.

1120
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 3: Who do you think Stam could kick? Is asked in

1121
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 3: Game one one. Though, if you believe that we've seen

1122
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 3: Stan handles, I can't remember seeing a lot of clips

1123
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 3: of jeffvan Gundy with the with the ball chef.

1124
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 2: Can't play the heck of a game he was. They

1125
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 2: always show you that old, ancient black and white photo

1126
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 2: of exactly guard at some high school, right I think

1127
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 2: it was a high school.

1128
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 3: You can play who you got in a game of

1129
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 3: one on one. God, that's the real question, Stan van

1130
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:41,359
Speaker 3: Gundy or Jeff van Gundy. That should be an All

1131
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 3: Star Weekend Wow, that's.

1132
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 4: That sounds like an All Star weekend.

1133
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,760
Speaker 3: Eventually people would tune in and see that.

1134
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 2: That was a Hall of Fame photo. Can you click

1135
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 2: back on your browser there? Yeah, oh my god, that's

1136
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 2: let me.

1137
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 4: Let me get it so that JD can see it here.

1138
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 4: I'm sure he's gonna want to cast this. That's pretty important.

1139
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:57,720
Speaker 3: Wow.

1140
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 4: So just let me tap dance a little so we

1141
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,879
Speaker 4: get Okay, we're casting. We're casting, baby, all right, let's

1142
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 4: see it. Yeah, we got Nazareth or Nazarene. Isn't that

1143
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 4: a Nazareth. That's where Jeff van Gundy played, and he's

1144
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 4: guarding a guy from Fisher and the Fisher player. That's

1145
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 4: a good look.

1146
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 3: Wow for this guy. That's good job. Guys. Wait, get

1147
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 3: that up for everybody here on YouTube.

1148
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 2: It's a good wraps fresh weird.

1149
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 3: To see Jeff Banniven's hair. Yea's been bald forever exactly.

1150
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:31,399
Speaker 4: That's why you think he's older.

1151
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 3: When did he go bald? Was he like a twenty

1152
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:33,879
Speaker 3: two year old?

1153
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 4: So they took his picture? Yeah, just fell right up.

1154
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:39,800
Speaker 2: I did see this photto cropped without the hands, so

1155
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 2: it was a little bit better without the hands. You

1156
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 2: can just imagine where they see like that. Yeah, but

1157
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 2: well yeah, let's see that one we got time.

1158
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 4: This isn't just a slightly closer version of picture.

1159
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 3: This can't be fun, all right, Okay it is, you're right,

1160
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 3: see yeah, the hands out, it's better just the facial

1161
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 3: uh reactions from both these guys.

1162
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 2: Both got caught doing something.

1163
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 3: What does that Fisher guy look like? He's got like

1164
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 3: a D'Antoni meets Phil Jackson vite if you melded them together.

1165
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 2: He's got Cody from Survivor. I hate to bring up

1166
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 2: Cody from Survivor again, but he looks like it could

1167
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 2: be his dad.

1168
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 3: Who's the Fisher guy?

1169
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 2: The Fisher guy?

1170
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 4: Really that's a heavy brow, yeah, sculpted brow.

1171
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 3: It looks like you could like rip off all three

1172
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 3: like two eyebrows and his mustache. They just look like fake.

1173
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 3: Like felt great photo there.

1174
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 4: Let me get like an even closer one.

1175
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:40,760
Speaker 3: Well, hold on, could you give me the standman Gundy

1176
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:45,359
Speaker 3: sitting on a bike, badass pose? While okay, okay, I mean,

1177
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,800
Speaker 3: well end with that, because how close do you want it? Crap? No,

1178
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 3: I need like the I sort of need the whole setting.

1179
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 3: You know, it feels like people behind him and there's

1180
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:57,360
Speaker 3: so many sun his setting. Yeah, I got you so

1181
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 3: bad as this one.

1182
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, okay, here we go, stop casting, I gotta

1183
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 4: cast this tab, got cast that tap here and go

1184
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 4: here we go.

1185
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's it.

1186
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 4: There we go. There we go.

1187
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 3: Standing Gunny rolling up to his pickup game against his

1188
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 3: brother was fucking go Jeff, what an awesome photo.

1189
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,879
Speaker 4: Man's it is an awesome photo.

1190
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 3: They have photo just straight up best photos in the

1191
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 3: in NBA history, Like in the Hall of Fame. Put

1192
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 3: that one. That's first ballot to.

1193
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:33,399
Speaker 4: Me top seventy five photos of all time.

1194
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 2: All right, it like, hey, we're going out at sunset

1195
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:37,800
Speaker 2: to take photos.

1196
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 3: No, it's clear magical it is. Any other requests, let's

1197
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:46,480
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1206
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