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Speaker 1: I'm Musai Mohammad, fourteen year NFL VET, retired player now

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Speaker 1: and businessman and family man. And this is NFL player

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Speaker 1: Second Actors Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for tuning in.

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Speaker 3: I'm Peanut tuning and this is the NFL Player's Second

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Speaker 3: Acts Podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm Peanut.

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Speaker 3: This is my guy Rome.

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Speaker 4: What's good dog? Thanks man for always having that was

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Speaker 4: very normal coming.

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Speaker 5: In so but I guess you're gonna be professional because

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Speaker 5: you got a professional. We got a real professional on

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Speaker 5: the show right now.

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Speaker 3: So I have a nickname for you this time I

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Speaker 3: saw that.

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Speaker 5: app Thanks for as always, And Peanut, I'm really really

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Speaker 5: excited about this gentleman that we have in He's become

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Speaker 5: a good friend of mine. I would say he's a

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Speaker 5: legend in the community in which I live right now

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Speaker 5: in Charlotte, North Carolina, and many many other places, especially

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Speaker 5: with all the things that he's doing off the field

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Speaker 5: as well.

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Speaker 4: So go ahead and tell us who we got.

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Speaker 3: This next guest is a really good personal friend of mine,

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Speaker 3: and yeah, we had some battles in Chicago.

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Speaker 4: We've heard.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he played fourteen years in this league. He is

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Speaker 3: in the Panthers Hall of Honor. He's an entrepreneur, he

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Speaker 3: is a Emmy winning broadcaster. Ladies and gentlemen, Moussa mohammeds, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: the pop Welcome to the pop man, No, you know

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Speaker 3: not any huh?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean I started with kind of doing

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Speaker 1: stuff with you back and don't know if you remember

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Speaker 1: that Chicago. We had a little messing up, playing around

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Speaker 1: with it, but yeah.

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Speaker 2: I forgot about that.

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Speaker 4: We forgot about that.

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Speaker 1: You and I had a radio show right there in

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Speaker 1: Chicago at Hell's Hall. About that.

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Speaker 2: I did forget about that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so yeah, no, I mean, you know, we

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Speaker 1: cut our teeth early. I mean I spent a little

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Speaker 1: bit of time going over the NFL. You're doing games

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Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But yeah when when uh what

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Speaker 1: was that the my first year in Chicago? You know,

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Speaker 1: you and I had a radio show together, man, that

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Speaker 1: used to mess around a little bit there. Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: forget about that. My first bringing up old stuff I'm

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Speaker 1: bringing up old.

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Speaker 4: Yeah it wasn't.

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Speaker 2: Remember, I just honestly I remember now, but.

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Speaker 1: Put his hands on me so much today he started

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Speaker 1: forgetting about all the all the other stuff.

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Speaker 2: Hey, you just took me back with that.

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Speaker 4: That moves you.

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Speaker 5: Are one of four players to score a touchdown in

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Speaker 5: the Super Bowl with multiple teams.

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Speaker 1: Multiple teams?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, do you know who the other three are?

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Speaker 1: Gosh, that's a good question. Now, I don't take a guess.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess Andre Rising might have been one of them.

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Speaker 4: No, no, he only scored with Green Bay.

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Speaker 1: Green Bay.

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Speaker 4: Good guest though.

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Speaker 5: Okay, all right, the other one, come on, I want

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Speaker 5: you to get this one.

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Speaker 1: In the Super Bowl with multiple teams.

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Speaker 4: Greatest of all time?

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Speaker 1: J Rice? Yes, okay, Jerry Rice, Jerry Rice. Then I'll

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Speaker 1: give you a tight end, oh tight end Gronkowski.

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Speaker 4: There we go.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 4: The other guys is a former teammate of yours and.

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Speaker 1: The other guys a former teammate. Yes, I'm gonna say.

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Speaker 4: There it is.

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Speaker 1: It is.

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Speaker 4: He guess with you, guys, right, he did? Yes, exactly bad.

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Speaker 4: If you give me a little.

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Speaker 2: The horse, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah that makes sense.

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Speaker 5: Now, yeah, it does all right, So, and back in

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Speaker 5: Super Bowl thirty eight for all of you that don't know,

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Speaker 5: that was when the Panthers played the New England Patriots.

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Speaker 4: Now you called an eighty five yard touchdown.

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Speaker 5: I watched that in my college apartment, and uh, man,

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Speaker 4: I was cheering for you guys. I really was.

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Speaker 5: Going for the Panthers big time that year. I just

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Speaker 5: really is a big fant of Steve Smith. Yourself, Jake

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Speaker 5: Delone seemed like just the guy that was just making

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Speaker 5: it happen.

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Speaker 1: It was.

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Speaker 4: You guys were a fun team to watch.

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Speaker 1: I was, you know, you weren't Peanut, get out of here, Jake.

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Speaker 1: I was to take a sarcast.

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Speaker 2: That wasn't fake. We're gonna get the raise occasion.

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Speaker 1: We met in the hole. But but I had to

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Speaker 1: get on a line of screience with this guy, you know,

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Speaker 1: like he's grabbing the whole stuff, you know, fighting and

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Speaker 1: touching every day and practice, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 5: Uh, after you call that ball, because it was I

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Speaker 5: think it was at the sixth minute mark, a little

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Speaker 4: In the fourth quarter, you guys took the lead. Uh

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Speaker 4: in your mind?

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Speaker 1: Is that over in my mind, Tom Brady wasn't absolutely

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Speaker 1: not no, because I don't know if you watched like

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Speaker 1: these Super Bowl throwbacks and all that kind of stuff

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Speaker 1: and these uh, you know, documentaries of the game. But

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Speaker 1: when I came to the sideline, I told Steve, I said,

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Speaker 1: it ain't over. I said, you know what the quarterback

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Speaker 1: Bro this this game any close to being over with?

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Speaker 1: And you know, I mean I think we had a

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Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter, maybe like almost thirty five forty points?

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Speaker 4: That real back and forth.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was real back and forth. But I mean

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Speaker 1: I knew that I was strapped up and ready to

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Speaker 1: go because we weren't even close going to be done

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Speaker 5: And do you know that is also I don't know

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Speaker 5: you may know this. I assume you know this longest

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Speaker 5: touchdown in passing.

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Speaker 1: In Super Bowl history history?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, record, yeah, still the record to the record five

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Speaker 5: yards old. To make sure all of our viewers know this,

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Speaker 5: because we're here to educate and entertain. Yeah, usually not

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Speaker 5: in that order.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, So we had the luxury, we had the

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Speaker 3: privileged honor to play in Super Bowl forty one. Forty one,

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Speaker 3: that was your second loss, So it was my first one.

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Speaker 3: And then I went on to play in Super Bowl

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Speaker 3: fifty and I went on to lose that one. How

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Speaker 3: tough was it for you to lose that first.

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Speaker 1: One, the first one? It was. It was very tough

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Speaker 1: the first one. It was very emotional, and you know,

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Speaker 1: we were the underdogs. What we had to overcome that

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Speaker 1: year by beating Dallas in the first round and then

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Speaker 1: going to Saint Louis, beating Kirk Warner Mike Marks the

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Speaker 1: greatest show on turf in Saint Louis and then walk

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Speaker 1: off style right, Smitty Smitty walking off.

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Speaker 4: This is when you guys happened.

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Speaker 1: I was all in, yeah and that you know, and

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Speaker 1: then you know, you got Andy Reid, Donovan McNabb with

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Speaker 1: Philly and you need to win that championship game. And

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys know this story, but

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Speaker 1: like the night before the game that in that championship game,

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Speaker 1: one of these Philly fans set off the alarm, the

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Speaker 1: the cold right before the championship game. It was crazy,

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Speaker 1: but Philly, right. But anyway, so like that build up,

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Speaker 1: man was amazing, like for the game, and it was

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Speaker 1: a letdown. That was a big letdown. But I would

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Speaker 1: say this that the only people in the world that

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Speaker 1: expected us to win that game were probably the guys

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Speaker 1: When we lost that in the Bears, we were supposed

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Speaker 1: to win that game.

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Speaker 4: Everybody thought, you guys, we were supposed.

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Speaker 1: To win that game. And we had the talent and

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Speaker 1: everything else to win that game. So that one hurt.

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Speaker 3: What do you what do you think kept us from

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Speaker 4: Tell it loose, This is what we do.

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Speaker 5: Andre Risen came in here and pointy things that everybody

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Speaker 5: I've come to hear, and pointy things that everybody who

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Speaker 5: fifty lost. Yeah, let's be real. What happened besides the ring?

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Speaker 5: Don't say that.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, when you got Purple Rain, you got

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Speaker 1: Prince in his last so iconic, his last live performance,

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Speaker 1: you know, in the Stilettos. I don't know if y'all

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Speaker 1: watched that documentary, but you know, when you got Prince

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Speaker 1: coming out there seeing Purple Rain in the rain, you know,

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Speaker 1: in the stilettos. You know, that to me was probably

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Speaker 1: I look back on it. But everything else, like, we

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Speaker 1: it's gonna rain the whole day. It's like the whole day. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna rain the whole day. And so yeah, that

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Speaker 1: was a factor. But we ain't show up as a

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Speaker 1: team when we're show up as a team. And then

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Speaker 1: we had I don't know, four or five turnovers in

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Speaker 1: the in the game. Can't do it, you know, we

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Speaker 1: who was the right quarterback to play? Was it Brian Greasy?

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Speaker 1: Was it Rex? Rex was hurt? He was coming off

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Speaker 1: of this with Dad running back, said Benson got hurt.

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Speaker 1: You know. Thomas Jones was balling right, So we had

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Speaker 1: like all this balling right, So like there was all

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Speaker 1: and I thought that it just became a distraction.

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Speaker 4: Instead, it's going out there and being the best team.

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Speaker 1: That your main thing got to be the main thing,

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Speaker 1: you know, the main thing. If at any time it's

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Speaker 1: not that, then there's distractions, right, And it's not about

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Speaker 1: us putting our best foot forward to winning. It was

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Speaker 1: a whole lot of stuff that distracted us. And offensively,

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Speaker 1: there's no excuse when you got anar barian over there,

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Speaker 1: there was lighting stuff up, right, You got me over there.

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Speaker 1: You got Rashid Davis that was lighting stuff up. You

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Speaker 1: got two running backs. It don't matter who you get

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Speaker 1: a ball to. Just getting got Olden Cruits up front

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Speaker 1: this ball. You know, like we had this squad that

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Speaker 1: it didin't make no sense for that game. And then

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Speaker 1: let's not even talk about what our defense was doing, right,

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Speaker 1: and you know with Peanut, Nate Vash, Mike Brown, like

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Speaker 1: we had all these guys up front Atawailea Gula. I mean,

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Speaker 1: And let's not even bring up Lax and Lance Briggs

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Speaker 3: You don't want to project that, and you don't want

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Speaker 3: You know, was killing us on scouts, killing us.

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Speaker 1: Right, playing arena football or something like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was playing arena football, worked at Best Buys

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Speaker 2: No, he was just like like Europe or something like that.

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Speaker 3: But he got the thickest list. His essence is thrown.

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Speaker 5: But I want to know about this though, Because you

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Speaker 1: Right right, I don't know. I mean from my perspective.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was my third year, five right, five yeah, five, yeah.

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Speaker 4: And because he was getting better though he keeps me young.

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Speaker 4: It was like that.

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Speaker 3: Marty was that kind of guy, like you're practicing too hard,

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Speaker 4: I just was playing.

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Speaker 1: Now we had our battles and we went to work,

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Speaker 1: that way. I mean, I had this receiving coach god

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Speaker 1: I had a good season, right, And in the year

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Speaker 3: It wasn't for me because my first years I didn't

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Speaker 3: I didn't have like I wanted that. I was trying

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Speaker 2: Oh, you're going too hard, You're practicing too much.

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Speaker 3: So I'm like, bro, I'm trying to get right, like

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Speaker 3: I'm I'm trying to be great in this league lane,

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Speaker 3: trying to just fly another radar.

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Speaker 4: And will be right back talking about guys bringing guys

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Speaker 5: Steve Smith said there is no Steve Smith without Moss

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Speaker 4: But one, how does that make you.

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Speaker 5: Feel when you hear that, and for such a great

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Speaker 1: I you know, I don't know invest in people. Man.

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Speaker 1: This kind of my thing was like I loved my brothers,

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Speaker 1: order for us to be great, he had to play

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Speaker 1: gonna slow down.

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Speaker 4: You better know, Yeah, you better know about moose out.

442
00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:16,160
Speaker 1: There, right, But some of those attitude issues I had

443
00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,280
Speaker 1: to like calm steve down because when I get him

444
00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,600
Speaker 1: hyped up, like he don't know how to slow down,

445
00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:22,480
Speaker 1: Like I'm like, man, I better chill out because.

446
00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,359
Speaker 4: I'm he gonna go over there.

447
00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, he going over the edge, right, and he's gonna

448
00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,119
Speaker 1: mess around and you know, like get kicked out a

449
00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:29,840
Speaker 1: game or something. But it was you know, it was

450
00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,639
Speaker 1: a it was a It was a really beautiful brotherhood.

451
00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:37,280
Speaker 1: And I think we celebrate the connections that we made

452
00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:40,240
Speaker 1: both from a competitive spirit and we can appreciate a

453
00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,080
Speaker 1: whole lot more like what we both got out of

454
00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:43,680
Speaker 1: it because he challenged me too, and I learned from

455
00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,000
Speaker 1: him too, Like let's not get him mistaken, right, like

456
00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:50,040
Speaker 1: Smitty took it, took it and said okay, and then

457
00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:54,400
Speaker 1: took it to a whole other level. Right, And even

458
00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,119
Speaker 1: in broadcasting, right, I mean, I gave up TV and broadcasting.

459
00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:58,640
Speaker 1: I'm just like focused on a lot of other things

460
00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:02,359
Speaker 1: right now. But he's great at that too, right, And

461
00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:04,399
Speaker 1: challenged him on a lot of different things. And so

462
00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:08,440
Speaker 1: there's a lot there that to the point, iron sharpens iron, right,

463
00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:15,000
Speaker 1: So there's a level of admiration, there's a level of

464
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:22,159
Speaker 1: what I would say is humility, and I appreciate him

465
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,760
Speaker 1: saying those things. I wouldn't expect it out of them.

466
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,320
Speaker 1: I never expected out of them. And I never come

467
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,280
Speaker 1: out there and say, oh, I'm the reason he's this,

468
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:34,399
Speaker 1: And like jay Z say when they say, oh I

469
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,280
Speaker 1: can I'm the reason jay Z is successful. Jay Z said, well,

470
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,119
Speaker 1: if you may, hold will make another hole and you

471
00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,280
Speaker 1: can't make another Steve Smith. And I didn't make Steve Smith. Right.

472
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:47,840
Speaker 1: I might have challenged him, but I'm honored to be

473
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,399
Speaker 1: a part of his legacy. And I'm honored to be

474
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,720
Speaker 1: a part of your legacy, right, And I'm honored to

475
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,159
Speaker 1: be a part of any of my teammates that I

476
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:59,400
Speaker 1: played with success because that's who I am fundamentally.

477
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:05,120
Speaker 3: I got I got a question for you. The title captain,

478
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 3: it means something, especially when you're your peers, your teammates,

479
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,119
Speaker 3: they vote that or they vote you with that that title.

480
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 3: You've been on two teams and uh, you've been a captain.

481
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 3: You've been voted captain on both teams. How does that

482
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 3: make you feel honored?

483
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,359
Speaker 1: Man? I mean when you captain Pro Bowl? You know,

484
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 1: those are votes that your peers, your opponents, those votes

485
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 1: mean something special to me. They do, right, Yeah, I

486
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:34,720
Speaker 1: mean because we all made money, we all did well

487
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,400
Speaker 1: with that. But then there's like this whole other fundamental

488
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:41,200
Speaker 1: part of like building up people, right, and those relationships

489
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 1: that you build while you're in the game are far

490
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 1: more important. It lasts longer than anything else. Right, So

491
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 1: those things are those things are special to me. And yeah,

492
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:54,160
Speaker 1: I mean being a team captain, voted amongst your peers

493
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 1: and embracing it. And I'll tell you where I got

494
00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,639
Speaker 1: that from, because I wasn't that way early on in

495
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 1: my my life. Right about was it my third year

496
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 1: in the league, Reggie White came on our team, right,

497
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 1: and Reggie he embodies what it means to be a

498
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 1: captain and a leader.

499
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 4: Yeah right.

500
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if any of y'all ever got a

501
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 1: chance to never lead around, but Reggie White in the

502
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 1: locker room was amazing. And he's the one to meet

503
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 1: that came to me and was like, man, you're great

504
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 1: and all these You're gonna be real good in your career.

505
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,120
Speaker 1: I was like my third year, right before I made

506
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 1: my first Pro Bowl, and he was like, you got

507
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 1: to take some guys with you. He was like, you're

508
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 1: doing all this stuff you're doing. I'm watching you, young guy,

509
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 1: because you stay after practice, you come before practice, You're

510
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,439
Speaker 1: doing all this stuff. You get all these work habits,

511
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,679
Speaker 1: you stay in the film room, take some guys with you,

512
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,679
Speaker 1: and we're gonna it's gonna make the team better. And

513
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 1: that's where I kind of like shifted my whole career

514
00:23:55,320 --> 00:24:01,679
Speaker 1: around being unselfish and building up other people around me,

515
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,159
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And that's that's when I

516
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 1: started to become a captain of the team, like after

517
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 1: my fourth year in the league and then beyond was

518
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 1: about building.

519
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Speaker 3: Up men do you remember when you were the captain

520
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 3: in Chicago. Funny story. We were playing baseball in our

521
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 3: locker room, and it's all the captains. It's t Jones,

522
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 3: it's you, it's Olan, Mike Brown. So they decided to

523
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 3: play some baseball. We got like this makeshift bat with

524
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 3: like a little hook in it. Right, So we're getting

525
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 3: ready to go to a meeting and we had a

526
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 3: little We had a towel and you wrapped it up

527
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 3: with some tape. Somebody throws a pitch. I don't know

528
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 3: who was batting. Somebody swung dirty cloth bands with the basis. Yeah,

529
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 3: dirty close bands were the basis. So whoever pitches someone

530
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 3: bad at whatever they swing it, they hit it, make

531
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 3: full contact. The damn hook piece flies off the bat

532
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 3: and goes into Fred Miller's leg. It flew right into

533
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 3: his leg in there like in there. It's so he

534
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:05,719
Speaker 3: got to get stitches.

535
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 2: It's just like Thursday or Friday.

536
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 1: Kids is playing and got wild.

537
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 3: Somebody next thing, you know, they gotta go see lovey Well,

538
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 3: and I'm only I'm telling it. I should let you

539
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 3: tell the story. But the way Mike Brown told he

540
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 3: was like, so, guys, where are the captains what happened?

541
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 3: And then somebody was like, all the captains were there,

542
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 3: we were playing. All the captains was playing It's our fault.

543
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 3: But that was oh yeah, that was that was Oh man,

544
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 3: I'll never forget that story where the captains that the captains.

545
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 1: Was playing coach first base coach.

546
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I don't. I've never been in the

547
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 3: Saints locker room. I ain't been in the locker room

548
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,880
Speaker 3: or Michigan State. But I'd be hard pressed to tell

549
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 3: you that Chicago back in the five oh six, o seven,

550
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 3: I'd be willing to bet that locker room games, the

551
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 3: games that we played in our locker rooms are up here.

552
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 3: It's we set a.

553
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 1: Game, shooting game, four square.

554
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 3: The soccer game we used to play, the voluin or whatever.

555
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 3: Oh my yeah, we we had some games.

556
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:28,679
Speaker 4: We had a game today.

557
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 1: The whole culture of the whole.

558
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 3: Box them up box.

559
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,719
Speaker 5: I think that's that's the one thing that a lot

560
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,719
Speaker 5: of people don't give. They see the results on Sundays, yeah,

561
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 5: but it's all those little things in the camaraderie, the companionship,

562
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 5: the togetherness that you build from Monday to.

563
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 4: Saturday is what allows you to be great on Saturday.

564
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 5: On Sundays, it's like the willingness to go a little

565
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,199
Speaker 5: bit more for that guy because of the hit that

566
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 5: he had on Wednesday in the locker room we're playing baseball.

567
00:26:58,560 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 4: Right Like.

568
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 5: Those are the things that I don't think a lot

569
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 5: of people get. And it's also the little things like

570
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 5: what you said, Reggie White.

571
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 4: I thought that was beautiful.

572
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, because we know of Reggie White, his spirit, the

573
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 5: person he was, but for him to see you as

574
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,360
Speaker 5: a young player, be like, hey, you need to bring

575
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 5: somebody which spoke like that. Those things you never know

576
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 5: who that veteran guy is, or those little words that's

577
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 5: gonna stick with somebody forever. And it's like, man, like

578
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 5: the fact that Reggie even said something to me, yeah

579
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 5: means gold.

580
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 4: I remember I.

581
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 5: Covered Steve Smith in the back line of an zone

582
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 5: my rookie year before I tore my ACL Week two

583
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 5: playing in Carolina.

584
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 4: I don't even know.

585
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 5: I think you guys won the game. I don't even remember,

586
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 5: but I covered him. He said, hey, man, i've been

587
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 5: watching you on film.

588
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 4: You're gonna be a good player.

589
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 5: For him to say that to me when I told

590
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 5: you I was a fan of you guys since when

591
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 5: you guys went to Super Bowl and I didn't even.

592
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 4: Think he knew who I was.

593
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 5: But those little things like that checking the box in

594
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 5: your memory.

595
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 4: You never let it go.

596
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 1: So why you hit him in the back, man?

597
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,040
Speaker 4: Because I didn't run over there for.

598
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: I remember that.

599
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 4: But it made the better though it did. It did.

600
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: There was something about that I was his smitty and then.

601
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 4: It was.

602
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 5: But those things are why they remember me, and I'm

603
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 5: cool with that.

604
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 4: We're going to take a short break and we'll be

605
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 4: back in a minute.

606
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 5: What I want to get to you about is post career.

607
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 5: Number one, what was that transition like for you? Because

608
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 5: that's what we always like to ask everybody about that.

609
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 5: And then also number two, how did you get into

610
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 5: private equity?

611
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 4: I know you went to uh the.

612
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 5: Business school, that Wharton business school that you pen but

613
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 5: kind of lead us into that.

614
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: Tell us that story, man, that's interesting. So the transition

615
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: was I think I was ready. You know, I came

616
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: back to Carolina to play thirteen and fourteen years I

617
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: was thirty seven years old. I had a young family

618
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: at the time, you know, my kids were like going

619
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: into high school at that time, and I was ready

620
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: to just I wasn't ready to keep moving around and going.

621
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: And I had this opportunity that I had been developing

622
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: around the private equity sector. And you know, up until

623
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: that point, I had some experiences investing capital, had been

624
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: involved in some real estate and some operating companies as

625
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: a passive investors at LP, So I got to sit

626
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: in the backseat and just kind of understand and learn.

627
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: And when I came back from Chicago back to Carolina,

628
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: I approached Jerry Richardson, who was the owner of the

629
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: Panthers at the time, and I painted this vision for

630
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: him of what I wanted to build. And I wanted

631
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: to have this opportunity to invest capital in a larger

632
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: platform and owned some operating companies, built some businesses, and

633
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: create some generational wealth. And so he introduced me, well,

634
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: actually he brought in Hugh McCall, who was called and Charlotte.

635
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.

636
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: He was a former chairman of Bank of America. And

637
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: there was a gentleman that worked for mister McCall. His

638
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 1: name is Dennis Akaensu, and Dennis and I met and

639
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: over the next two years we started developing a plan

640
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: for UH, this private equity firm, and so we started

641
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: meeting with some people. It's another guy named Ray Growth

642
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 1: who's a partner of mine. He started the investment banking

643
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: division four what's now Wells Fargo, but at the time

644
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: it was First Union became Wakovia and Ray had a

645
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: law degree. He practiced law with Crevaswayne and Moore and

646
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: got into transactions with First Boston. It was acquired by

647
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: Credit Swiss, and so we all came together and really

648
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: started thinking about raising capital and buying some operating companies.

649
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: And so, you know, after playing for a couple of

650
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: years with the Carolina Panthers, I said, you know, it's

651
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: time to go try something else, to do something else,

652
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: be available for my family, and do some other things

653
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: that I think, you know, challenged me a little bit, right,

654
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: challenged me, intellectually, challenged me in a lot of different ways.

655
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: And so I decided to leave playing ball and start

656
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: this private equity fund. And so, you know, we raised

657
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: some capital and then we're off to the races.

658
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 5: So well, you the exact example that everybody says, like,

659
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 5: start planning for your career after it's like while you're

660
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 5: in your career.

661
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you did it right. Well, thank you. I

662
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: appreciate that, but you know it was organic. I mean

663
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: it happened. You know, I was early in my career.

664
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: I was exposed at private equity. Actually it was more

665
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: venture capital. I just put a little bit of money

666
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: in with Ronnie Lott and Joe Montana and Harris Bartan.

667
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: They approached me when they were starting Champion Venure. So

668
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: you know, I like golf, so it got me a

669
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: chance to go out to Pebble Beach and play golf.

670
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: But you know that exposure to these Fortune five hundred

671
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: companies and Deutsche Bank and you know, Sequoia Capital and

672
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: all these different platforms started to sort of shape my

673
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: thoughts around investing. And then I was able to, you know,

674
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: kind of get involved in some other operating companies and

675
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: things like that. So I had this kind of mix

676
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: of experience as an LP and also invest in capital.

677
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: And then I did some stuff around real estate as well,

678
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: so I could really start to shape my mind around

679
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: what I wanted to do. And if you play for

680
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: thirteen or fourteen years, you have a luxury of kind

681
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: of crafting and extra strategy, right, And you know, it's

682
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: a luxury that a lot of us don't have because

683
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: we don't get a chance to play that long and

684
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: the rug gets pulled from underneath our feet. But you know,

685
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: I've always been a guy that challenged myself both in

686
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: the lectury. I'm an avid reader. You know, Peanut probably

687
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: tell you that I used to be sticking on the

688
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: back of the bus with Dan Brown books and all

689
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: other kind of stuff. So you know, I've always been

690
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: a person that sort of challenged myself in different ways.

691
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: And when I got back to the Carolinas, I had

692
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: two years and I said, you know, I don't want

693
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: to be beholden to this game anymore. And after, you know,

694
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,479
Speaker 1: I had a good my fourteen year, I had eight

695
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: hundred something yards and had a good I mean, it

696
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: was just time for me. I thought it was time

697
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: for me to pursue some other interest. So that's kind

698
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: of my story of how I decided just to cut

699
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: it off and go in a different direction.

700
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 3: So all your kids are grown, and yeah, they're all

701
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 3: out the house. You're an empty nester, empty nestor man.

702
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: My oldest is in law school at Syracuse. My second

703
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: oldest graduated from culinary school, and there's a chef and

704
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: does her own She has like a healthcare beauty line. Yeah,

705
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: of products. My third oldest is in medical school up

706
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: in Boston. My two boys are undergrad in the middle,

707
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: and my baby girl, she runs the whole show man.

708
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: She's twenty years old. She works for this insurance company

709
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: and she's doing quite well. So they're all grown and

710
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: gone and me and a wife are free to move

711
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: about the country. Man.

712
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 3: So yeah, so I think I know the answer. But

713
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 3: what what's bringing you happiness right now?

714
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: Man? Just watching watching them grow? Yeah, I'm really into

715
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: my kids and into my wife and uh so I'm

716
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: into my family. I enjoy fishing a lot, man. I'm like,

717
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: you know, I got a couple of ponds on my place,

718
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: so I like enjoy fishing, still enjoy reading. Yeah, but

719
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: you know, just watching the kids kind of be successful. Man,

720
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: that's I I'm like, really, really really getting into that.

721
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: And I started to get saw a peanut. Like back

722
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: in the day, you know, I was a dude. So

723
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,280
Speaker 1: like I actually cry and stuff that makes me happy.

724
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: Now it's crazy, Like I it's beautiful.

725
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 2: I brag about it all the time.

726
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, my budding's going on. Like I find

727
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: myself crying because I'm happy sometimes, like what the heck

728
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: is going on with me? Man? Like this this thing

729
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: is crazy, right, But like my oldest is really doing

730
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 1: well in law school with Syracuse, right and calls me

731
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: and tells me about you know, some of the stuff

732
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:33,240
Speaker 1: that's taking place and stuff they're studying, and it's just beautiful,

733
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: Like I love it, right, And then you know, I

734
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: got a son. I got two boys that are My

735
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 1: younger son runs track and he just broke the school

736
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: record in the fifteen hundred. He ran in three forty

737
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: one in the fifteen hundred. So like I got emotional

738
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 1: about that because they posted this thing on Instagram that

739
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: he broke the school record in the fifteen hundred. And

740
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: then I got another boy. Now he's like, you know,

741
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,760
Speaker 1: playing college football and having success there. So like watching

742
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: the kids be successful, man, it's like I find so

743
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 1: much joy in that.

744
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 5: Well, talking about that number one, I see moose moose

745
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 5: the second a lot because I heard the third. Sorry,

746
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 5: I see him a lot covering the SEC and he's

747
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 5: at text A and M. The one handed catch you

748
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 5: had his freshman year was amazing. But talking about kids

749
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 5: and being proud of them, I'd be remorse if I

750
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 5: didn't bring this up. And that is the fact. How

751
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 5: often Nick Saban uses you as an example to everybody

752
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 5: else that always tries to say.

753
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 3: Everybody, I meant yes, describe what it was.

754
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 1: Right.

755
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 5: No, No, I didn't. And I never played for Nick.

756
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 5: He came to Alabama at the year after I left. Okay,

757
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 5: So but he uses you as a great example. So

758
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 5: the media when some some player gets in trouble, and

759
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 5: he's always the first to say, well, I know the

760
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 5: media wants me to run the kid off, throw the

761
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 5: kid off the team, whatever, whatever, And I refuse to

762
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 5: do that. I believe in second chances. These young men

763
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 5: make mistakes and it's okay, and so I'll reprimand him

764
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 5: the way I'm going to do it. But he said,

765
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 5: the best example is you that you have got in

766
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 5: trouble on the Michigan State and everybody wanted me to

767
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 5: get rid of the kid. And he's like, if you

768
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 5: want the kid on the street, or is he better

769
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 5: on this field getting better in this locker room and

770
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 5: where we can you know he's going to grow and

771
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 5: he's gonna make mistakes, but he's going to be better

772
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 5: if we keep him. And he's like, the man grew

773
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 5: up he's owning her own company. He's got a kid

774
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 5: at Princeton, he's got a kid doing this, he's got

775
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 5: a kid, all these other things. The man's more successful

776
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 5: than anything else. And you guys want me to get

777
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 5: rid of him. And so he takes pride in an

778
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 5: example of you. And so when you hear that and

779
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 5: you know these things, what does that do for you?

780
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: Like I said, that makes me appreciative, right, because like

781
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: he invested in me. Yes, he believed in me. So

782
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: I'm trying to make him look good. Right. I think

783
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:08,399
Speaker 1: it's and it's a way to show appreciation and thanks too, right,

784
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 1: And I am thankful that Nick believed in me. And

785
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: I think he promotes this example because it's an example

786
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: that actually played out the right way. That I think

787
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: the stories that he loves to happen for kids, right.

788
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: And the reality is that we probably don't have enough

789
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: good examples in our communities, right, growing up of these

790
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: situations where guys are come from these in battle, you know,

791
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 1: Detroit is like home for me. I don't know if

792
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: you know that, but like I was born in Lands

793
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: in Michigan, but my parents are from Detroit. So my

794
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: dad went to Northwestern. My mom went to Southwestern Detroit

795
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: right here, So I spent a lot of time in

796
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: this city. And matter of fact, my old man is

797
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: a police officer here in Detroit. He's seventy four years old,

798
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: and he's out here right now at the super Bowl

799
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: on patrol, on patrol right now, working as a police

800
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: officer right now. The reason I say all that is

801
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: because we don't have a lot of good examples in

802
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: these communities, but we have these in battled communities, and

803
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: then anytime somebody gets in trouble, it's like throw them

804
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 1: to the wayside, right, And I think I think Nick,

805
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: even if the second chances don't work, he believes in

806
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: the best in people. Yeah, and you should, right to

807
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: a certain degree. The people who take those examples, excuse me,

808
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: those second chances, and they do something real with it. Yeah,

809
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,720
Speaker 1: I think he wants to use that as an example,

810
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: and rightfully so. And I feel indebted in a way, right.

811
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: But I'm also appreciative of the second chance because it

812
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: was a mistake, right, and people make those in life,

813
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: So you know, what you do with your opportunities are important, right,

814
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: And so I got real serious about life after that. Yeah,

815
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: So and and then just grew as a purse continued

816
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 1: to grow every day. Man, you learn something from you know,

817
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: you can learn something from people every days. Homeless person

818
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 1: on the street can teach you something, right, So it

819
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 1: doesn't matter who it is, man, you can learn something

820
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 1: from anybody anytime if you're willing and you're open to it.

821
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 4: So what was your welcome to the NFL moment?

822
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean you came here the second year of

823
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,879
Speaker 5: Panthers existence, Yeah, second round.

824
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: My welcome to the NFL moment was training camp my freshman,

825
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: my rookie said, freshman, my rookie year. There was this

826
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 1: guy he wore number twenty seven. You remember back in

827
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: the day I did, probably still do. Hold on, I'm

828
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 1: gonna tell you the story. But you remember, back in

829
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: the day, you spend a week in training camp, right,

830
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: and the drills were live practices, alive, all this stuff. Right.

831
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: So we go out to Denver and we got training

832
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: camp in the mile High was you know, all the

833
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: elements and everything. But there was this guy would I

834
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: think it's just twenty seven. His name was Steve Atwater.

835
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 4: Oh oh that twenty seven.

836
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, And we had live drills and I remember it was.

837
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: It was a live team drill and they were in

838
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: corters coverage and I was outside and I had to

839
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: run a slant rock and I can hear him calling

840
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: it out lance slants, lands land slant corners, backing up

841
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: and I could see him, you know, coming down, looking

842
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 1: down in the and all of a sudden, you know,

843
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 1: I'm fearless, right, I'm gonna run this slant. So so

844
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 1: after I wake up looking up and you know, I

845
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: got Steve Atwater like this all of me like, because

846
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: he just leveled me. Right, So you know what I

847
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: had to do wrong? I got up and start a fight, bro.

848
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 6: You know, he was like I got to fight you, right,

849
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 6: because after you did knock me silly, and I'm sitting

850
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 6: there and you know, as I'm coming to.

851
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: I'm like here this dude over me like barking, right,

852
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: I gotta fight. I gotta fight. So I got up

853
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: and I started a nice little you know, training camp,

854
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: bra the news and the whole thing. Man, Yeah, that.

855
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 4: Was bigger than you too.

856
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:28,240
Speaker 3: Everybody fights.

857
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: He's taller than me. That is so big taller than me. Yeah,

858
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: he brought that heat, man, and he was like, uh,

859
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: like a coil. He was tall, but he could. He

860
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: was linky like a basketball player. He can coil up

861
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: like this and it just boom and just explode on

862
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: you just knock you in the next week, Right, And

863
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: that joker hit me so hard. He hit me so hard.

864
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,760
Speaker 1: I was just and and I was out for a second,

865
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:55,240
Speaker 1: you know how you just laying there for a second.

866
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: But you know back then they just got your bell run. Yeah,

867
00:42:58,200 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: and I could. I can just hear him over the

868
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: top me like, and I'm just looking. By the time

869
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: I came to, I could see his jersey and I

870
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: could see his legs over the top of me.

871
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:05,439
Speaker 4: Right.

872
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,439
Speaker 1: It was time to fight, That's all I know. I was, Yeah,

873
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 1: it was it was time to fight.

874
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Speaker 4: It to fight.

875
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 3: I want to know about the time you put the

876
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 3: word decoy on your jersey when you when when you.

877
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 4: One that's fighting.

878
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 3: What's what's the story behind that?

879
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: Yeah? That was like what my third year in the league.

880
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 4: Uh.

881
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 3: He was a young one.

882
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was young and feisty, man, you know, but

883
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: we we got George Seaffert as a as a head coach,

884
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 1: and I had been balling. Man, I was like, I

885
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: mean at that year, I wound up I think leading

886
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: the NFL and catches. I had like one hundred something

887
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: catches that year. But about midway through the season, Seafford

888
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 1: comes to me. He's like, you know, you're drawing a

889
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: lot of double coverage. I'm like and and and he's like, well,

890
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: you know, this week, you know, I think you know,

891
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: we just want you to kind of be a decoy

892
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: because you know you're doing these double coverages. We can

893
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,439
Speaker 1: start leaking the tight ends behind you and this, this,

894
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 1: this and the other. And I'm looking at him like,

895
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: who says that to a dude who's in the middle

896
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: of a season balling like killing me right? I said,

897
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 1: so you let me get this right, Coach, you want

898
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 1: me to be a decoy? He was like, yeah, you know, decoy.

899
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 4: You know, dress it up by shivering your shoulders.

900
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 2: Decoy.

901
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: So so I was like, okay, well I'll be decoy

902
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 1: this week. And I wrote decoy on the back of

903
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: my jersey, went out to practice with I taped it

904
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: right nuts and they were like, what are you doing

905
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: with that on your jersey? Coach told me I was

906
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: decoy this week. So that's what I am. Decoy.

907
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 3: Such a jerk.

908
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 1: It was, man, it was, it was. It was shallow, man,

909
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: I was you know, I was fight it was you know,

910
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: it was it was I was acting out and I

911
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 1: was you know, my pride was a little hurt.

912
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 4: So what did you learn from that? Were you right?

913
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 1: You know, what did you learn from that in the moment,

914
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: Probably not a lot other than you know, I was

915
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: probably more stubborn than I should have been. I was

916
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 1: being selfish, you know, I shouldn't have been that way.

917
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 1: As I look back on it now, you know, we

918
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:31,240
Speaker 1: do have these things, even though we call ourselves mature,

919
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: but it's you know, there's a learning process along the way, right,

920
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,919
Speaker 1: It's also going to be maybe a setback here and there.

921
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: So I did kind of learn that. Man. It was

922
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 1: probably not the best decision, right, I know, I probably

923
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: didn't have the best but you know, like I said, man,

924
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 1: it was one of these things where I don't think

925
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 1: either George Seaffert or I don't think we either one

926
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: of us made good decisions there. Because there's a way

927
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: to either handle that, even as a head coach with

928
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: your top players, where you donna go to them and

929
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: tell them that they're gonna be a decoy. Yeah, right,

930
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 1: So I didn't handle it that well though, and I

931
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: could have handled it better. I think that's the takeaway.

932
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, man, we appreciate you coming on the podcast. Man,

933
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 5: you gotta let me know your the question. Man, we

934
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 5: asked everybody this. It can't let you out without that though.

935
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 5: Who is on Mussim Muhammad's Mount Rushmore of influence football coaching, family,

936
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 5: Like who's influenced you the most?

937
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 4: You get four to be who you are? Right now?

938
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: That's good. I would say it's a good question. It's

939
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: a good question never asked.

940
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,320
Speaker 3: I won't if I never heard that one.

941
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start off with Jesus first, all right, I'm

942
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: gonna start off with faith, right, Hey, Zeus, I like it. Yeah,

943
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: in terms of just the game itself, I'm gonna say

944
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 1: Richard Williamson man my first position coach.

945
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 4: Man, like the one that didn't tell you good job, to.

946
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,919
Speaker 1: The one I hated until I love until I loved him.

947
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,879
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Yeah, I spoke at his funeral, right,

948
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:27,959
Speaker 1: but I also like punched him in the chest after

949
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 1: you had heart surgery, you know what I'm saying. Like

950
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: I was like this, like we had this love hate relationship, right. Uh.

951
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:43,760
Speaker 1: Of influence right, I would say, Kyle Lee. For people,

952
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 1: all I get is four huh m hmm.

953
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 3: I mean we know there's a lot more, but we

954
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,919
Speaker 3: just gotta you can bunch it up. Yeah, we ain't

955
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 3: got that much tape, man.

956
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 1: I know, right. I would definitely say my uh my

957
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:02,839
Speaker 1: father in law. Man. He was a guy, Bob Holtz Man.

958
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 1: He was a valedictorian of his Bible school, married a

959
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: black woman in the sixties and went through a whole

960
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:19,240
Speaker 1: lot or seventies, kicked out of school as a valedictorian,

961
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 1: and he's still married over forty years, I guess for

962
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: almost fifty years. His library is ridiculous. The books he

963
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: has is unmatched. There's no way you can even And

964
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: then Lee, I only give four. So I would say

965
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: those three pretty impactful. And then I would say, Lee,

966
00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: this is kind of random, man, but probably Brah Obama,

967
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:08,879
Speaker 1: you know really, yeah, why Brah? The power and influence

968
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: and leadership man and poise under pressure, being able to

969
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 1: handle so much with the weight on your shoulder and

970
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: having that composure unmatched, Right, I agree, So I will

971
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: start with them for but.

972
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 4: I'm cool with that. I like it.

973
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 5: Your word, your your your mount Rushmore has been accepted,

974
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 5: and we'll put it out accepted.

975
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 3: We've never rejected.

976
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 4: That's why I said it's been accepted.

977
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,280
Speaker 5: Does he doesn't need to know you've never rejected anybody

978
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 5: accept it?

979
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know. I guess that's my randomness, but

980
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: you know, like.

981
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 2: I will accept it.

982
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 1: Yeah whatever. Yeah, but that's off the top of my head.

983
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 1: That would be the That would be the four right there,

984
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: for you know.

985
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 3: I like the four good ones.

986
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be my four. Just to thinking of it.

987
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:05,839
Speaker 1: Right now.

988
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 3: We appreciate you again. Have you got anything else before

989
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 3: I say I appreciate you for you cut me off

990
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,439
Speaker 3: for like the fifth time, the fifth time.

991
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 1: Let me just say this too before y'all we wrap

992
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 1: to show up.

993
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 4: Man.

994
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: I love y'all platform too. Man. I think y'all do

995
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 1: an amazing job. Man, you know, thank you. Yeah. I

996
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: don't know what they call either. Trop I watch from

997
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: a distance, right, and I just admire guys who are

998
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: good at what they do, take it serious and have

999
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: you know, a certain level of professionalism, and so I

1000
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 1: really appreciate what you guys bring in this forum and

1001
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 1: the exposure to topics y'all covering what y'all do. Man,

1002
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 1: it's because there's a whole lot of media out there

1003
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Speaker 1: that I don't really think is the right kind of

1004
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:48,399
Speaker 1: influence on people. But I like what y'all doing.

1005
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Speaker 4: Thank you.

1006
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 3: I appreciate that.

1007
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 5: I'm trying to get that emmy, like you, Broat, I

1008
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 5: put that on my vision board.

1009
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 4: Is it one of my goals?

1010
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 3: And you can't get it with sec nation. You got

1011
00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 3: to get it with us.

1012
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 4: Well, I'm cool. I don't care how I get it.

1013
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:03,839
Speaker 3: You gotta get it with us.

1014
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 5: I don't care whose names on it. You know you

1015
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 5: got to. I got to be on it with you. You

1016
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 5: take take me with you, take somebody with you, Take me.

1017
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Speaker 6: With you, take me with you.

1018
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 4: Take me with you.

1019
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 3: Take me and Thomas we got you dog, and I see,

1020
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:22,720
Speaker 3: take us all with you.

1021
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 4: Hey, all right, we're gonna get out of here on that. Man.

1022
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Speaker 4: Appreciate that, Moose Man number love.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 5: You know how much you mean to us individually, to

1025
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Speaker 5: the city, your family. I'm so proud and happy for

1026
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 5: you for real. There it is that he knows what

1027
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 5: up though. Okay, that's that's all you all right, man,

1028
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Speaker 5: We don't get you out of here. Man, Thank you

1029
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,480
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1032
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Speaker 4: Get back up, man. We will continue keep this thing going.

1033
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 5: Our beautiful guest Musy and Muhammad today and wherever you

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