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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're four days into realizing

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Speaker 1: Daily is both a promise and a threat. I am

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Speaker 1: beyond lucky today to be joined by Bill Barnwell of ESPN,

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Speaker 1: the best pro football writer on the interwebs, the TV

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Speaker 1: star from Around the Horn, host of the Bill Barnwell Show,

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Speaker 1: the podcast, and someone who is wearing a suit right

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Speaker 1: now coming straight from NFL Live. Thank you for just

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Speaker 1: outshining me Bill in the first week of this show.

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Speaker 2: You know what this is like. This is like when

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Speaker 1: Yes for the YouTube bodying. Sorry, I keep starting this

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Speaker 1: one in the morning with a Twitter ad. They work sometimes, Bill,

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Speaker 1: I promise, I am not going to bring up the

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Speaker 1: time I saw you speak at some bar in Manhattan

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Speaker 2: Yes, do you know who was in the bathroom when

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Speaker 2: I gave that speech and I went to the bathroom.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely not No Raiders head coach Antonio Peers. Wow. And

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Speaker 1: Giant's great Antonio Peers, who was also the subject of

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Speaker 1: the first question I ever asked at a Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: I just thought, I know he likes talking about other

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Speaker 1: great answers.

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Speaker 2: So there you go.

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Speaker 1: Love Antoni Appears, love the NFC, Love this entire week

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Speaker 1: of NFL Daily, and Bill, I thank you for helping

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Speaker 1: me wrap it up. We're gonna go through every single

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Speaker 1: NFC team. We're gonna talk just like I did with

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Speaker 1: storyline about this team heading into training camp. Could be

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Speaker 1: part of training camp, could be bigger picture. I'll get

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Speaker 1: going right now with the NFC East, and I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: start with Jalen Hurts one of the quotes that I

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Speaker 1: found most interesting over the last couple of months was

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Speaker 1: from Jalen Hurts talking about how it's going to take

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Speaker 1: and that need to it, rep it, rep it until

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Speaker 1: he really knows what it is, because ninety five percent

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Speaker 1: of this offense is new, And that told me this

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Speaker 1: really is Kellen Moore's offense. It's not Nick Sirianni's offense.

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Speaker 1: And that offense that they ran was wildly effective. Should

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Speaker 1: have won the Super Bowl, Like had a much better

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Speaker 1: teams last year. That that's for sure. It didn't get

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Speaker 1: it done and then slowly eroded. And it really does

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Speaker 1: seem like Nick Sirianni is handing over the keys two

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Speaker 1: more and I don't know how Jalen Hurts and the

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Speaker 2: of the big things that popped up with the Sirianni

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Speaker 2: I also wonder what happens if the offense struggles early

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Speaker 1: Around, and the patients just isn't going to be there.

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Speaker 1: These are some position battles that matter. People were a

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Speaker 2: It does feel like it would have happened by now right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's guys out there, and a Hunter Renfer

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Speaker 2: They've been talking about playing Deuce Vaughn in the slot,

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Speaker 2: which feels like peak off season in terms of stories.

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Speaker 2: So I actually ranked the Cowboys think seventeenth or eighteenth

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Speaker 2: and expected pushback than I actually got. I mean, CD

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Speaker 2: I mean they're maybe top bottom five running next situation,

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Speaker 2: This offense would be doa if CD Lamb got injured,

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Speaker 2: and that's great leverage for CD Lambas he negotiates a

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Speaker 1: And da if Dak Prescott wasn't making them all look

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Speaker 2: Like the opposite of me, I feel like it every way. No.

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Speaker 1: I think they did a good job with their offensive

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Speaker 1: And that to me is the number one concern with

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Speaker 1: But maybe Cliff can cook up some schemes that's going

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Speaker 2: I'm really intrigued. I sort of wonder is this going

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Speaker 2: most empty friendly teams in football. They ran empty at

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Speaker 2: just you know, max protecting and sending as many blockers

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Speaker 2: simple as saying, hey, we're going to block with eight

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Speaker 2: they did go out and sign zach Ertz. I wonder

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Speaker 1: mean this is these are positions that they're not going

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Speaker 1: maybe the Washington offensive line. Finally, the Giants. You're a

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Speaker 1: That's fine. I could bring up the Front four, which

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Speaker 1: is awesome. That's cool. Yeah, But I do want to

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Speaker 1: get your take on my take that this Hard Knocks

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Speaker 1: off season is actually the best Giant season since maybe

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Speaker 1: Ben McAdoo, maybe even the Super Bowl. What do you think?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I think it's better than the Ben macadow year.

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Speaker 1: I mean that was a good that was you know,

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Speaker 1: Eli kind of wasn't Eli kind of great that year?

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Speaker 2: He was. He was actually impressive with macadoo, really turned

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Speaker 2: of just like oh my god, they're talking this way

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Speaker 2: does feel like I like Joe Shane a lot more

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Speaker 2: and don't disliked Joe Shane, But it does feel like

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Speaker 2: look like human beings, which after the Joe Judge era,

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Speaker 2: does the Jamison Williams hype survive training camp because it

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Speaker 1: he's more talented than JJ McCarthy was coming out of

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Speaker 1: love with him. It probably will have more downs than

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Speaker 1: ups once you get over a long regular season timeline

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Speaker 1: and then you see J McCarthy. But I have for long,

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Speaker 1: a long time kind of been annoyed by the Donald hive,

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Speaker 1: and I kind of want them to have one moment

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Speaker 1: going to give them that, and I think this is it.

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Speaker 1: I think he's gonna have a moment because Kevin O'Connell's

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Speaker 1: pretty awesome, and I think the situation for either quarterback

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Speaker 1: is great. Yeah, all right, that's AFC North, I mean

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Speaker 1: NFC North and NFC East. We are going to take

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Speaker 1: a quick break and we're gonna come back with the

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Speaker 1: other two divisions, and even a little bit of news

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Speaker 1: will be right back back on NFL Daily. Bill Suit

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Speaker 1: really fits that music. It's just it's serious.

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Speaker 2: It looks like it came from Super Bowl five.

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Speaker 1: I love it. It honestly just puts me in the mood.

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Speaker 1: And let me know if y'all agree out there. We

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Speaker 1: end of the show, but why not now NFL Daily

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Speaker 1: Podcast at gmail dot com. Let us know what you

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Speaker 1: think of the music. We're gonna do news here for

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Speaker 1: the first time on this show. Look, this show's gonna

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Speaker 1: be a lot different. Bill. I launched in maybe the

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Speaker 1: last completely dead week. Next week will be a hybrid

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Speaker 1: week where it's still pretty dead. And so these types

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Speaker 1: of shows to me, are their preview type shows. They're

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Speaker 1: different than it's gonna be once the news is happening,

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Speaker 1: and it's gonna be a real news heavy show to start.

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Speaker 1: But We got a little bit of news on Thursday,

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Speaker 1: so Eric hit the sound. Oh wow, thank you, Joe Buck. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the Titans sign Jamal Adams. That came out of nowhere.

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Speaker 2: I like that.

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Speaker 1: Denard Wilson, who's their defensive coordinator, was his position coach

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Speaker 1: with the Jets. I do feel like Jamal Adams is

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Speaker 1: still a big enough star, and I know he's like

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Speaker 1: that's not his playing level right now that he is

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Speaker 1: worth having his own little news items in a show

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Speaker 1: like this.

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Speaker 2: What do you think though, Well, your sound was seemingly

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Speaker 2: dialing into America Online. It kind of feels like that

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Speaker 2: was the last time Jamal Adams was an impact player

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Speaker 2: in the NFL, and that's unfair. I do think Adams

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Speaker 2: at his best is a player who can be really valuable,

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Speaker 2: and I think that can be really thoughtful about how

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Speaker 2: you're going to use him. Seattle seemed like they went

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Speaker 2: back and forth, like they found spots for him as

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Speaker 2: a blitzer his first year that were really valuable. He

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Speaker 2: got injured a bunch, he was not good in coverage,

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Speaker 2: and I think there's a real question about whether he's

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Speaker 2: going to be a safety or something closer to a

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Speaker 2: linebacker or really maybe best as some kind of hybrid player.

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Speaker 2: I actually really liked the idea of him being in

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Speaker 2: Mike McDonald's defense before they cut him, which I had

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Speaker 2: to cut him for cap reasons, for financial reasons, he

489
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Speaker 2: was making too much money. But I do wonder, you know,

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Speaker 2: going forward, if he plays regularly, I would assume he'll be,

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Speaker 2: at least on paper, a safety. But how often does

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Speaker 2: he play in the box. How often does he blitzing

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Speaker 2: the quarterback? Because that's really what his game is at

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Speaker 2: this point. You don't want him in coverage. You don't

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Speaker 2: want him against tight ends, don't find to want him

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Speaker 2: against slot receivers, you don't want him against Deebo Samuel.

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Speaker 2: But rushing the quarterback, being a guy who does you know,

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Speaker 2: factor in when you're blitzing, I feel like that is

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Speaker 2: kind of a useful player in the right spot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Dinard Wilson, who, as you know, Bill comes from Baltimore,

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Speaker 1: and the Mike McDonald tree. We're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: that on Monday actually with Nate Tyson and Jordan Rodrige.

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Speaker 2: Like, oh wow, these coaches the stars.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it is. We're going big in the first week.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited about that. Show. This defense is weird. Kenneth

506
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Speaker 1: Murray is heavily involved. Also a player that hasn't been

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Speaker 1: great in coverage, Like I love the lagarious need pick up.

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Speaker 1: It seems uneven. We don't know much about Wilson. I

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Speaker 1: think it's a below average group in terms of talent.

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Speaker 1: But I think Jamal Adams is worth a shot like

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Speaker 1: these prices, like he absolutely is worth a shot. Also

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Speaker 1: worth a shot the NFC West. I'm gonna do my

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Speaker 1: most intriguing thing to start with about the Arizona Cardinals

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Speaker 1: going into this year, and it's just Kyler year two

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Speaker 1: and Drew Petsig's offense. Kyler Murray's twenty six years old,

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Speaker 1: Like I could do the whole like he's only this

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Speaker 1: much older than Michael Pennix. But it's a thing like

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Speaker 1: we do not need to write the book on Kyler Murray.

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Speaker 1: We have seen players that talented who in their first

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Speaker 1: four or five years of their career, they're good and

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Speaker 1: you see the talent, but they're maybe not exactly what

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Speaker 1: you expect, and they get more mature, they get more

523
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Speaker 1: football intelligent, they get more emotionally intelligent. They take big

524
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Speaker 1: hits like a torn acl that keeps you out for

525
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Speaker 1: half a season and you come back, and I thought

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Speaker 1: he was a nice fit last year. I went back

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Speaker 1: and watched his offseason tape and I thought he did

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Speaker 1: some things just from a plane from the pocket perspective

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Speaker 1: and making good decisions that he hadn't always done before.

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Speaker 1: And he wasn't quite all the way there physically, but

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Speaker 1: he was pretty good and a full year healthy in

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Speaker 1: this offense with Marvin Harris and Junior. I'm really excited

533
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Speaker 1: because to me, he is still box office and like

534
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Speaker 1: he gets I believe slept on a little bit as

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Speaker 1: a guy. That's like, would it be that shocking if

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray when Bill Barnwell is writing his Week eight MVP,

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Speaker 1: like Ladder, I know you do that. I used to

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Speaker 1: do that. Like that, Kyler Murray's on it. He's literally

539
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Speaker 1: been on it like twice before. It would not be

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Speaker 1: that shocking if it happens again where he just like

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Speaker 1: starts really hot and is the old exciting Kyler Murray.

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Speaker 2: The way you said I used to like it was,

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Speaker 2: oh my god, Yeah, that was something that was something

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Speaker 2: you know. I don't I'm above that now, but in

545
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Speaker 2: the past I used to do that now.

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Speaker 1: I used to do it weekly. That's all that was

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Speaker 1: in my mind. I assigned it to myself. It was fun.

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Speaker 1: I should do it here, I should do it on

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Speaker 1: the podcast.

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Speaker 2: It's fun. You have every right to do that. I

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Speaker 2: think the thing about Kyler Murray that makes that so

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Speaker 2: accurate is this isn't like an Andy Dalton situation where

553
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Speaker 2: Andy Dalton was kind of okay for four or five

554
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Speaker 2: years and then just had that one year where everything

555
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Speaker 2: went right. The offensive line was healthy, he had great playmakers,

556
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Speaker 2: and he had a career year that was so far

557
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Speaker 2: beyond when he played at any level for any significant

558
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Speaker 2: period of time. Kyler Murray was an MVP candidate earlier

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Speaker 2: in his career at mid season. I think that was

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Speaker 2: the year. I want to say, the Bills hell Mary year,

561
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Speaker 2: right where it was they beat the Bills.

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Speaker 1: In the game. If things fell off a cliff but yes, yes, no, but.

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Speaker 2: That was at that point of the year. It would

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Speaker 2: not have been shocking in the slightest to go and

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Speaker 2: talk about Kyler Murray as a not an MVP favorite,

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Speaker 2: but certainly deep in the MVP discussion, and we have

567
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Speaker 2: not seen him number one. With all of all the

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Speaker 2: following being true, we've only seen him in a Cliff

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Speaker 2: Kars offense before last year, which Cliff might not be

570
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Speaker 2: a great NFL scene. That's not out of their own

571
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Speaker 2: possibility that he's upgraded. Massive offensive coindator Richard Petsi, he

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Speaker 2: has not been one hundred percent, which in last year

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Speaker 2: he was, like you said, he was better. He could run,

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Speaker 2: but he was not necessarily consistently one hundred percent. And

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Speaker 2: last year I believe when he came back Marquis Brown

576
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Speaker 2: was pretty much hurt for the vast jump that stretch,

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Speaker 2: about the entire stretch, which meant he had probably bottom

578
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Speaker 2: three NFL wide receivers for that entire stretch. He had

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Speaker 2: Trimick Bride, which helps, and James Connor was really good

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Speaker 2: last year. But now you're adding a legit potential number

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Speaker 2: one receiver in Marvin Harrison. To me, I think it's

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Speaker 2: so much better around him this year that that's absolutely

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Speaker 2: within the range of outcomes for Kayler Murray is an

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Speaker 2: MVP caliber campaign. It's also he could be the twenty

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Speaker 2: fourth best quarterback in football.

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Speaker 1: And oh see, that's that's where I pushed back. I

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Speaker 1: don't think he could be. I mean, as long as

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Speaker 1: he's healthy. I think his floor is middle of the pack.

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Speaker 1: And I know there's more good quarterbacks than you think.

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Speaker 1: When you actually write out the list, you're like, Wow,

591
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Speaker 1: the seventeenth best quarterback is pretty good. But to me,

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Speaker 1: that's his floor. That's how much I believe in him.

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Speaker 1: And I think this offense ran really well for the

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Speaker 1: most part schematically. It was a really good running game

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Speaker 1: at the end of the last year. And he'll help that.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, I expect Marvin Harrison Junior to be awesome.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I'm just projected, but Trey McBride already is awesome

598
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Speaker 1: to me. He could be a top five quarterback. I

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Speaker 1: don't know why I went a top five tight end.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why I went MVP, Like I just

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Speaker 1: I guess just put a was not playing in that.

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Speaker 1: You put a mic in front of me, and it's like,

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Speaker 1: I just feel like I gotta go first take. I

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Speaker 1: just I'm excited. I'm excited to see what he does.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to the Rams. Little drum beat this offseason,

606
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Speaker 1: gotta be careful in OTA's this does tend to happen.

607
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Speaker 1: But the Cooper Cup revival season is just it's been

608
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Speaker 1: sprinkled out there. We're friends with JB. Long, who's there

609
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Speaker 1: play by play announcer, and I've seen in a couple

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Speaker 1: of other players, just people just who are there and

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Speaker 1: they just see what cups look like this offseason, and

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Speaker 1: maybe it's just hope. They're hoping for this guy who

613
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Speaker 1: put together one of the all time great wide receiver

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Speaker 1: seasons only a couple of years ago, that he could

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Speaker 1: get back to where he even close to where he

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Speaker 1: was because he was so far from that last year

617
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Speaker 1: and just health wise, we're not gonna learn much other

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Speaker 1: than he needs to get to week one like that.

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Speaker 1: But by all accounts, he's looking explosive in a way

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Speaker 1: that he maybe hasn't even in OTAs, even in practices

621
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Speaker 1: for a couple of years. So that's just one thing

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Speaker 1: I'm intrigued by and watching because I think they need

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Speaker 1: that to be as good as everyone thinks their offense

624
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Speaker 1: is going to be. Our friend Mina had them, I

625
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Speaker 1: think number two in her Air best offenses. I think

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Speaker 1: that that only happens if cupp Is is close to

627
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Speaker 1: where he was a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 2: Showan Fay is going to make the Hall of Fame

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Speaker 2: one day, and I'm gonna be grumbling about the twenty

630
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Speaker 2: twenty two season when they were down like two touchdowns

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Speaker 2: on the fourth quarter and he was still throwing like

632
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Speaker 2: bubble screens to Cooper cup And I'm like, you have

633
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Speaker 2: as the only good player on your offense. You're going

634
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Speaker 2: to get ruined if he gets hurt. And then of

635
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Speaker 2: course he did get hurt and then missed the chunk

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Speaker 2: of twenty twenty two, and then he was even when

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Speaker 2: he was playing last year at the restretch, for he

638
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Speaker 2: was on one hundred percent like the fake kepnsisting he

639
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Speaker 2: was healthy and Cooper cupperul go like the entire game

640
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Speaker 2: and get one target. So I'm still skeptical he was

641
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Speaker 2: one hundred percent for when he was on the field last.

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Speaker 1: Year, absolutely wasn't. You could just tell what his movement.

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Speaker 2: He wasn't And and to me, having Pukinakua goes a

644
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Speaker 2: long way. I don't think he has to be the

645
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Speaker 2: guy from the crazy season, which is loving more and

646
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Speaker 2: more like a huge outlier. But the other factor here

647
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Speaker 2: is I'm not sure Kyon Williams is going to be

648
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Speaker 2: there because Kyen Williams has a history of foot injuries.

649
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 2: Sean mcvayh has a history of downplaying or fight out

650
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 2: lying about the severity of injuries. You know, if you

651
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 2: have Kyen and you have Nikua, I think you can

652
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 2: get by without Cup. But when they had all three

653
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 2: in the field last year, Matthew Stafford would have been

654
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 2: number two in the NFL and QBR, which maybe relates

655
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 2: to Iimena was so optimistic about their chances. But I

656
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 2: think Cup, you can't count on Cup, like, even if

657
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 2: you're feel good about him right now, he's a receiver.

658
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 2: I think he's Is he thirty or thirty one? Now?

659
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Speaker 2: Is that's that my? Yeah? Say that you know you're

660
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 2: not at that age. I don't think you can count

661
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 2: on any receiver to be as good as they were

662
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 2: three or four years ago. That is just the reality

663
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 2: of aging curves in the NFL. I don't think he's

664
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Speaker 2: going to fall off a cliff, but I do think

665
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Speaker 2: if you can get what you got from him when

666
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 2: he was healthy last year for a full season, I

667
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 2: think you'd be happy with that.

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Speaker 1: I need more. I need more. He was not he

669
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: was just he was just a guy last year. I

670
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: think he would say that, and I think that's why

671
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: the people around the team. They knew what he was

672
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: really going through, and I think they feel, at least

673
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: for now, that he's not going through that in a

674
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: way that probably hasn't been true since Yeah, that season

675
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. He is thirty one years old, so

676
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: he can be a number He can even be a

677
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: number two. That's a great point about Kyrien Williams and

678
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: their actions drafting. Blake Korm might speak to that, and

679
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: he might do a pretty good facsimile if Kiraen Williams

680
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: isn't right. I'm looking at the forty nine ers next

681
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: and just wondering if and how they keep everyone happy,

682
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: even in a world where Brandon Ayu gets his contract.

683
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: There's just a lot there and they've done a great

684
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: job with it. But George Kittle's coming off a pretty

685
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: serious core muscle surgery injury. He doesn't seem like he'd

686
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: be unhappy if he's not getting enough targets. But I

687
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: think he was having more fun last year when he

688
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: was back to being like George Kittle. So you have Ayuk,

689
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: you have Debo maybe it's his last year with the team.

690
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: You have a first round pick in Pearcel, you have

691
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: a guy in Juwan Jennings, who's low drama certainly, but

692
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: just got a contract too. And it's just it's a

693
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Speaker 1: lot of mouths to feed. And I hate it for

694
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Speaker 1: the forty nine ers and their fans that I think

695
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: a team that's been this close year after year after year,

696
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: they have a lot of the same negatives of what

697
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: happens when you win at Super Bowl without actually having

698
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl, like the disease of more that

699
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,239
Speaker 1: pat Riley likes to talk about, and the expectations and

700
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: you being circled on everyone's schedule, and they have all

701
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: of that stuff, and it's just hard, and they've done

702
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Speaker 1: a great job kind of keeping it together. I give

703
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: them so much respect for I think that's the hardest

704
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: thing to do in the NFL is like make the

705
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: Final four the Final eight almost every year, and they've

706
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: they've done it. But I do worry about the human

707
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: side of this and can they kind of keep everyone

708
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 1: happy with their roles, especially the skill position guys.

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Speaker 2: So what I'm gonna say sounds dumb, and usually when

710
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 2: I say that, it actually is dumb, but I swear

711
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Speaker 2: it's not. They benefit in a way. Even thinking this

712
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 2: in my head, I feel them. They benefit in a

713
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 2: way from how often their star players get injured.

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Speaker 1: Yes, right, Like I get it, I get it, like their.

715
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Speaker 2: Element of Okay, well, George is missing a couple of games.

716
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Speaker 2: I guess we're gonna have to go with more you know,

717
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 2: more Debo in the offensive playing camp by this week.

718
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 2: Oh deebo is hurt, well, George brand and I it's

719
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 2: going to be the focal point of the offense. CMC's

720
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,359
Speaker 2: banged up. Okay, we're going to throw the ball more.

721
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Speaker 2: Like like it almost benefits them in a way because

722
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 2: you don't want to lose those guys for the entire season.

723
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Speaker 2: You want to have them healthy for the postseason. But

724
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 2: when you have Deepo missed a couple of games, I

725
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 2: think that has sort of like natural built in windows

726
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 2: for other guys to get the ball more, and it

727
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 2: opens up opportunities for Juan and it opens up an

728
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 2: opportunity for Peer Salt to play more. I don't want

729
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 2: to see anyone get injured, but it feels like that's

730
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Speaker 2: the way to do it, or its split faster or

731
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 2: just just just turn into the Chip Kelly Eagles and

732
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 2: just play as fast as possible and get as many

733
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Speaker 2: plays as possible as the wait for the Numers to

734
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Speaker 2: do this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the positive spin to that, which is is that

736
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 1: they can survive injuries in a way that just other

737
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: teams can't and they're built for it, and injuries are

738
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: going to happen. So you're absolutely right, and so that

739
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 1: it's a great it's a great retort, and it's absolutely

740
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: true what you're saying about people getting there is like,

741
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Speaker 1: one of the reasons the Celtics had one of the

742
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: greatest seasons in the regular season of all time is

743
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 1: all the guys that would take games out like they

744
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 1: loved it when two of their five best players were

745
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 1: off because then Jalen Brown and Derek White could just

746
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: eat for a night and then they'd be off for

747
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Speaker 1: a couple of nights, and Tatum and Holiday who porzingis

748
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: could eat for a night and it's like, yeah, it

749
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,879
Speaker 1: kind of works better that way if everyone, yeah, takes

750
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 1: a turn. It's like this podcast, you know, you eat

751
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,439
Speaker 1: I E the Seahawks, E. They are the last team

752
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: in the NFC West I want to talk about and yeah,

753
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: I'm I just am intrigued by how Mike McDonald is

754
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: going to use a handful of specific players in this

755
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: defense because he definitely has I think more tools to

756
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 1: work with than people really think, Like Draymond Jones was

757
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: a really compelling player before last season in Seattle where

758
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: he disappeared, How is he gonna use him? Byron Murphy

759
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: is just a ball to watch on film. I think

760
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 1: the Rams wanted him and the Seahawks wound up getting him, Like,

761
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: how is he going to use him? Tyrel Dodson had

762
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 1: a run in Buffalo that was really impressive at the

763
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 1: end of last year and is going to be playing linebacker.

764
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Speaker 1: And then mostly Devin Witherspoon, who Pete Carroll did a

765
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 1: great job and I think any coach would, but especially

766
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: Carroll's great with the secondary and just how is this,

767
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: you know, defensive coordinator who is as good as anyone

768
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: in the last two years work with a group that

769
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: I think's above average. I think I think it's a

770
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: better defensive group than people give credit for the edge

771
00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: rushers like not stars, but deep it should be fun

772
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: and I don't Again, it's another team where I don't

773
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: think they need to be great. I think the offense

774
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: will be good enough that if the defense is just

775
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: solid to good, they're They're going to be much better

776
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Speaker 1: than a year ago.

777
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Speaker 2: You know, we always talk about or I don't know

778
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 2: if we eve and I always talk about the idea

779
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 2: that when a team gets rid of a coach, they

780
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 2: typically go for the opposite coach with their next higher

781
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Speaker 2: So you know, you would figure Pete Carroll kind of

782
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 2: old school but players coach, you know, but a defensive

783
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 2: minded coach. Maybe you flip it, maybe you figure an

784
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 2: offensive minded coach, a guy who maybe is a little

785
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 2: more of a little more Coughlin esque maybe when it

786
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 2: comes to his personality. But they did not do that.

787
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 2: They hired another defensive coach, which is going to lead

788
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 2: to a really fascinating kind of reveal. Right, I mean

789
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 2: on paper, you're right, Seahawks will get They have a

790
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 2: lot of impressive pieces. I mean someone even like like

791
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 2: like Greek Wohlan, who was really good as a rookie.

792
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 2: She's going to take a step backwards last year. Julian

793
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 2: Love made the Pro Bowl last year, if I'm not mistaken.

794
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 2: You know, they signed Jerome Baker, who I think has

795
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 2: been a good linebacker you know in his career. Boy

796
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 2: in Mafe was good last year. There's a there's a

797
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 2: lot of stuff. I think that we're gonna find out

798
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 2: are those guys as good as we expected? Are those

799
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 2: guys as good as our reputations? Just like mcdonald'll get

800
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,439
Speaker 2: the most out of them. And Kinder revealed that maybe

801
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 2: Pete Carroll's defense is not all that great by the

802
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 2: time he left, or do we find out that Pete

803
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 2: Carroll actually still a pretty darn good defensive coach. Maybe

804
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 2: those players are not as good as they seemed. I

805
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 2: feel like this is almost a referendum, strangely on Pete

806
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 2: Carroll on his way out the door in Seattle.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think Pete Carroll's was a very good

808
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: head coach over the last five or six years, or

809
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: a good head coach. But I don't need Mike McDaniel

810
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 1: to tell me anything. The defenses are bad, Like go

811
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Speaker 1: to your old site, you know, go to your go

812
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Speaker 1: to DVOA.

813
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Speaker 2: You know.

814
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Speaker 1: Now you can see it at FDN, like they were

815
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: literally below average. I think every year, or maybe every

816
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,919
Speaker 1: year but one for seven years, and he's a defensive coach,

817
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: and they put a lot of resources into it, and

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Speaker 1: I think he was so good at all the other

819
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: aspects of coaching that it made up for it, and

820
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: they had enough offensive talent too, and so you can't

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00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,280
Speaker 1: just look at that number. But they weren't an effective defense,

822
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 1: and so I think it absolutely makes sense that Mike

823
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: McDonald's going to do a better job with their defense.

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Speaker 1: Let's take one last break. We're gonna do our final division,

825
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: the NFC South, and then we're gonna wrap up the

826
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Speaker 1: week just a little bit after that. Back on NFL Daily,

827
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 1: running through thirty two teams in two days. My guy

828
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: Bill Barnwell handling the NFC with me. We've been doing

829
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Speaker 1: this long time. Bill's it up and down business. Bill

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Speaker 1: Barnwell goes nowhere. He is a foundation upon which this

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Speaker 1: business is built.

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Speaker 2: Don't go.

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Speaker 1: So I told you I had to get on with

834
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Speaker 1: customer service at ESPN plus just to read your articles

835
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Speaker 1: and Zachlow's. I gotta admit it's both.

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Speaker 2: Good, exactly.

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Speaker 1: It really bothered me somehow my cookies were messing it up,

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Speaker 1: and I'm just too old and I had to get

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Speaker 1: into But yeah, the best writer out there, you're gonna

840
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,240
Speaker 1: help us go through the NFC South and then we'll

841
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Speaker 1: do a little little extra and say.

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Speaker 2: Goodbye, beautiful. Let's start with the new Orleans Saints because

843
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 2: there's like a weird game of reverse life wage happening

844
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Speaker 2: in New Orleans. Alvin Kamara when he signed his deal

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Speaker 2: with the Saints, I think, was five years, seventy five million,

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00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 2: one to fifty million dollars a year or his agent

847
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 2: one to fifteen million dollars a year on paper, So

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Speaker 2: he had a basically fake, unguaranteed salary for his final year,

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Speaker 2: a big leap in his final season up to twenty

850
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Speaker 2: two and a half million dollars. He is not going

851
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 2: to make that, and there's noise going to make it

852
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 2: on the open market, but his agent hasn't holding in,

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00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 2: I guess because he can say, hey, listen, I'll take

854
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 2: a fifty percent pay cut if you guarantee next year.

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00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 2: But Alvin Kamara has been below four yards to carry

856
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 2: each of the last three seasons without Drew Brees, and

857
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 2: he is not an eleven million dollar player at this

858
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 2: point of his career. But he also has no trade

859
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,439
Speaker 2: value at He's making a little under twelve million dollars this year.

860
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 2: There's no real trade value for him, so the Saints

861
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 2: can't really get anything for him. So to make him happy,

862
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,760
Speaker 2: do the Saints who are generous with their money, guarantee

863
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 2: him eleven million dollars next year. Does Kamara get traded?

864
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 2: Is there a team that suddenly wants him? I don't know,

865
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 2: but what happens with Alvin Kamara in New Orleans?

866
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,399
Speaker 1: Love that you brought this up because this is one

867
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: of those rare offseason stories that I think actually could

868
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 1: result in a guy changing teams or real holdout or

869
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,879
Speaker 1: something happening, because I think multiple things can be true

870
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 1: with him. Yeah, he's now worth that right now, and

871
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 1: so hold out seems a little crazy and maybe indicates

872
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: he's just not incredibly thrilled about some aspects of what's

873
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: going on there in general. And he wouldn't be the

874
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: first player that that's true of. But those numbers lie,

875
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: and I trying to check my bias because I love

876
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: Alvin Kamara. He's still a really good running back. Now,

877
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: maybe not above enough above league average because the explosiveness

878
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,240
Speaker 1: is not the same, but his intelligence, his receiving ability,

879
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: his ability to make guys miss in a small area

880
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 1: and maybe turn three into seven versus three into thirty

881
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: like he used to. I really do believe if he

882
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 1: was on a better, more cohesive run blocking team over

883
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: the last couple of years, those numbers would look a

884
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: lot different. But I also love that dude. Man. I mean, so,

885
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: maybe my eyes are lying to me, but that's what

886
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: I believe, and I do believe this is a real

887
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: thing that you're bringing up in Marshaw Lattimore another one.

888
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 1: I know. He showed up for Mini Camp two and

889
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: that does seem to have settle down. I think they

890
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 1: they want to keep Latimore and they know how valuable

891
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: is him. But the Saints are a team more than

892
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: any team in the NFL. I feel like where you

893
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: could just see something like, oh wow, that happened, kind

894
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: of like the Chauncey Gardner Johnson trade a couple of

895
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 1: years ago, it wouldn't surprise me in August.

896
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 2: M Yeah, I can see it. I have a lot

897
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,959
Speaker 2: of running back and rushing related ones for the NFC South.

898
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 2: But Carolina Panthers. Does Jonathan Brooks come off of the

899
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 2: pup list in camp? This should be on paper, a

900
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 2: much better rushing situation. The Panthers spent a ton of

901
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 2: money at guard on Robert Hunt and Damian Lewis, and

902
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 2: if Brooks is healthy ish, he's not really a lot

903
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 2: of competition. Miles Sanders is a sunk costs at this point.

904
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:48,919
Speaker 2: Tuba Harbard has been fine, but it's not like they're

905
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 2: going to have Trooba Hubbard keep Jonathan Brooks from getting

906
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 2: onto the field. There's no reason to rush him. I guess,

907
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,720
Speaker 2: like you don't want to have him reinjure his knee.

908
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 2: But on paper, he's by farther their best running back,

909
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 2: and in reality, they want to do everything they possibly

910
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 2: can to get Bryce Young back in a good place

911
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 2: as quickly as possible.

912
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's a shame to me that as good

913
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: as he looked, big power back with nice you know,

914
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: movement ability, and he's coming off in ACL and it

915
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: was in November, Like that was not an early season injury,

916
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: and it just feels like they're not going to be

917
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: fighting and playing with a full deck early in the year.

918
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: I also look at Xavier Legett as a guy that's

919
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 1: like maybe, but it's gonna take some time. You know,

920
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 1: it does not seem like he's a guy that's going

921
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: to have a full command of like the NFL route

922
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 1: tree right off the bat. And so the two guys

923
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,280
Speaker 1: you're adding to really help with explosiveness along with Yantay

924
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 1: Johnson and try to make this offense more watchable. Frankly,

925
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking of it from a selfish perspective, like

926
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 1: might not be all the way who they are until

927
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. So that's my work with Brooks.

928
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 2: Fair legit Tampa. I'll go with one more running game

929
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 2: and then get to the Falcons who are not rushing

930
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 2: game related ken Liam Cohen and first round pick Graham

931
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 2: Bardon on track what has been a horrific Tampa Bay

932
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:10,240
Speaker 2: Buccaneers running game, and I will refer to the NFL's

933
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 2: Next Gen Stats project here. In twenty twenty two, the

934
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 2: Bucks ranked thirty first in expected yards per carry, and

935
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 2: they were thirty second, and then in twenty twenty three

936
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 2: they were seventeenth in expected yards per carry. They were

937
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 2: thirty second again in yards per carry in reality, So

938
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 2: maybe pin that on Rashad White if you want to.

939
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,760
Speaker 2: You can pin it on the general offensive confusion losing

940
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 2: Ryan Jensen to a basically career ending knee injury. But

941
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 2: this is a team that has had absolutely no run

942
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 2: game the last two seasons, and they've changed the quarterback,

943
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 2: they've changed the coordinator, they've changed basically everything but Tristan

944
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 2: Wurf's and the receivers. Does this new group get the

945
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 2: running game going for once in Tampa Bay?

946
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,399
Speaker 1: I hope so. But you know what, this is their

947
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: four coordinator in four years, Is that right?

948
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 2: I believe? So?

949
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: No stability really since Arians left and Liam Cohen is

950
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: a little bit like Alex Van Pelt in New England

951
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: as the guy that's like testing the bounds of do

952
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: all the McVeigh Shanahan Tree guys work because they were

953
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: the guys that mcveay and Shanahan weren't picking really, So

954
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: Van Pelts the coordinator and he was, you know, under

955
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: Stefanski and Liam Cohen only lasted a year with the

956
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: Rams and now he's with the Bucks. And Canalis did

957
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: a great job last year at least with the passing game,

958
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 1: and I think it was cohesive. Yeah, I worry about that.

959
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: I worry about this team just kind of poor Bucks fans.

960
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: It's like they just won a Super Bowl and they

961
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: just won a playoff game in the divisional round, and

962
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: yet they do care about how much attention they get

963
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: and they're just not going to get much attention. They

964
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: are like as off the radar as a team with

965
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 1: as much recent success as as they've had and all

966
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 1: these division championships in a row could be And it's

967
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 1: partly because, yeah, the offense looks like it's gonna be

968
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:00,280
Speaker 1: blah at.

969
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does feel like the post Kurt Warner Cardinals, right, Like,

970
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 2: you know, you guys made it to the Super Bowl.

971
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 2: But if you asked fans to name thirty two teams,

972
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 2: they'd probably get thirty and forget the Buccaneers unfortunately. I

973
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 2: feel bad. They're a fun team to watch. Their best

974
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:16,919
Speaker 2: defense is really fun.

975
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 1: They were last year.

976
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if they had any sort of running game,

977
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 2: I think the offense would actually be good. So hopefully

978
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 2: they can just get to like twenty fourth in yards

979
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 2: per carry. If they could just not average like three

980
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 2: point four yards per carry every single week, that would

981
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 2: be fun. Atlanta Falcons thirty second and final team in

982
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 2: Gregg's breakdown. Are the Falcons really gonna go into the

983
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 2: season with this as their pass rush? I mean, their

984
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 2: top two rushers last year by sack total six and

985
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 2: a half each, Kaleas Campbell and Bud Dupree are both gone.

986
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 2: Their biggest additions is offseason were James Smith, Williams from

987
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 2: Washington and Rooke o ro ro rooke Oh row row

988
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 2: row too many rows. Uh, that's on me, I apologize,

989
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 2: and Brilin Trice So a couple of rookies to the

990
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 2: front seven. Not really a lot there at edge rusher

991
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 2: even last season with dupre as their primary edge rusher.

992
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 2: You know, they have Lorenzo Carter, they have some young guys.

993
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 2: But for a team that signed Kirk Cousins, which tells

994
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 2: me they think they're capable of making the postseason this year,

995
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 2: for a team that has pieces in the secondary, kind

996
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 2: of shock, they did not do more to add pass

997
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 2: rushing in terms of veteran pass rushers to this roster.

998
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 1: I love that you brought this up. I love that

999
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: you've been like a little more negative, I would say

1000
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 1: than me and Mina in this exercise. And that's that

1001
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: you need. That's I need to need a little bit

1002
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: of that because when I when I've heard like the

1003
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins like Joins already made Super Bowl roster, this

1004
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: team was lucky to be average last year. I mean,

1005
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: I'm not saying Arthur Smith like did a good job

1006
00:48:56,280 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: maximizing their talent. That's that's not my point. But they

1007
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 1: were lucky to win as many games as they were.

1008
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: They had a profile of more of a five or

1009
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: six wing team like the rest of the NFC South.

1010
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,240
Speaker 1: That because their schedule was unbelievably easy, not even in division,

1011
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 1: but out of division, they all looked like a little better.

1012
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: They weren't average. And defensively, you know, Ryan Nielsen goes

1013
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 1: to Jacksonville and you get Raheem Morris, who has done

1014
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: a great job as a coordinator, but pure talent, I

1015
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 1: think it's bottom five in just pure defensive talent. And

1016
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,359
Speaker 1: so when you're a coordinator for a team like that,

1017
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: especially with a pass rush other than Jared and Onyamata

1018
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 1: are good inside. But uh, I don't know. I don't

1019
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,399
Speaker 1: see it as some Super Bowl made ready roster because

1020
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:45,280
Speaker 1: the defense matters, and there's there's some questions on the offense. Obviously,

1021
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,359
Speaker 1: cousins Is health is number one, but it's more about

1022
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: the defense.

1023
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you named Jarrett and on your moda,

1024
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 2: those are good players, but aren't they both on the

1025
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 2: wrong side of thirty.

1026
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and on your matter coming off coming off

1027
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: two really good years, but also two really good years

1028
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 1: in this style system, which isn't quite the same in

1029
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: his best two years. So yeah, and Jesse Bates is

1030
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 1: there and Ajterrell is there, like they have dudes, but

1031
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: it's kind of like the Cowboys receiver group. It's like

1032
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: it kind of doesn't matter if you have two dudes

1033
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: in the secondary. If you have two or three spots

1034
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,879
Speaker 1: that are just way below league average, those other two

1035
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: can only help you so much, right, All thirty two teams,

1036
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: we did it. We did it, Bill, you did sixteen, but.

1037
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 2: I did sixteen. I feel like I could have credit

1038
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 2: for this one, but I'm happy to take credit for

1039
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 2: Mina's accomplishments at any time. So I'm happy I did

1040
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,359
Speaker 2: all thirty two. Wonderful work by.

1041
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: Me, And yeah, wonderful to spend this week starting this

1042
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: show NFL Daily and my after dinner Mint today. It's

1043
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,919
Speaker 1: a nice little way we wrap up the show here.

1044
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 1: Bill is just answering like some questions I've heard from

1045
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 1: the listeners I've had won specifically from a friend a

1046
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,720
Speaker 1: friend of a friend Dallas, friends with my guy Stephen,

1047
00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 1: who is just like, can you tell? And I've seen

1048
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: this from our listeners too, just like, what's the regular

1049
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: season schedule gonna be?

1050
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 2: Like?

1051
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,280
Speaker 1: So I'm just doing some housekeeping here, Bill, and I'm

1052
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: pointing out, like, yeah, of course we're going to have

1053
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 1: a great preview show and I'm really excited about that,

1054
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: and the details of that are coming, and we'll have

1055
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: our Sunday night recap show. And I love as an

1056
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: NBA fan, I love the shows that go live right

1057
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: after the games and you can either watch it right

1058
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 1: afterwards or you have it in your podcast feed like

1059
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: an hour later, or at worst, if you're you know

1060
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 1: on the West Coast, you know, you wake up and

1061
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 1: you play it. And so that we're gonna do all that,

1062
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: like the Monday nights, Thursday nights obviously preview the recap shows.

1063
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: And I've told you who's who's going to be part

1064
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: of it. I told you who's on Monday. I'm really excited.

1065
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: It's a fun show coming on Tuesday with Colleen Wolf

1066
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 1: and Patrick Claybon and a special guest there. And so

1067
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: that is it from a scheduling perspective. And I want

1068
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,479
Speaker 1: to thank you Bill for joining me and Mina and

1069
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: everyone that's been on this show this week and everyone

1070
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 1: that has reached out those closest to me, and then

1071
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: also the listeners look it's been challenging. It's been a

1072
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: week too, Like it's been a lot jumping into this.

1073
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,760
Speaker 1: But I'm so excited about just making this show better

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Speaker 1: and doing it every day and like growing with it

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Speaker 1: because it's gonna get better and it's fun right now.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know, I'm just so corny that like

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Speaker 1: I love football, like I really do, and I love y'all,

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Speaker 1: and like I love being able to do this, and

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Speaker 1: I appreciate everyone close to me who's been reaching out

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Speaker 1: this week. It does mean a lot to me. And

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Speaker 1: if you've made it this far in the show, you

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Speaker 1: are one of those people. You are close to me.

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Speaker 1: And Bill is just laughing over there, but yeah, the

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Speaker 1: email addresses NFL Daily Podcast at gmail dot com. Any thoughts,

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Speaker 1: any questions, We're gonna start integrating that into the show

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Speaker 1: so listeners can reach out. You're doing overtime, Bill, You're off.

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Speaker 1: You did an hour of television and now an hour here.

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Speaker 1: You are done. Thank you, my friend, my longtime.

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Speaker 2: Friend of course. Greg. A lot of people myself included,

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Speaker 2: are rooting for you. So hope you guys enjoyed this

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Speaker 2: week's shows. Hopefully it didn't drag it down happily you

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Speaker 2: to save you for the end of the week. You

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Speaker 2: got the stars out first, but anytime, Greg.

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Speaker 1: Not at all. We wanted to go big first week,

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Speaker 1: and I was like, Meana and Bill would be great.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, we will be back on Monday. As I

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Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, Jordan Rodrigue and Nate tay Tice talking talking schemes,

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Speaker 1: getting dorky, getting at getting a little dorky, I gotta admit,

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Speaker 1: And then we'll have some fun with Colleen and Patrick

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Speaker 1: on Tuesday. Until then, Greg Rosenthal for NFL Daily, See

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Speaker 1: you next time.