1 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: On this episode of News World, the highest levels of 2 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:11,559 Speaker 1: government have been infiltrated by an anti democratic deep state 3 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: that can be defeated by refocusing our national security mission 4 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 1: and relentlessly defending the truth. In his new book, Government Gangsters, 5 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:25,240 Speaker 1: Cash Patel, a former top official in the White House, 6 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: the Department of Defense, the Intelligence community, and the Department 7 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,520 Speaker 1: of Justice, pulls back the curtain on the deep State, 8 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: revealing the major players and tactics within the permanent government bureaucracy, 9 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: which has spent decades stripping power away from the American 10 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 1: people and their elected leaders. Based on his first hand knowledge, 11 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 1: Patel reveals how he can defeat the deep state, reassert 12 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: self government, and restore our democracy. Here to talk about 13 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: his new book, I'm really pleased to welcome back my guests, 14 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: Cash Patel. He is the Chief of Staff to the 15 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: Department of Defense, where his responsibilities included implementing the Secretary 16 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: of Defense's mission involving three million plus employees, a seven 17 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: hundred and forty billion dollar budget, and two trillion dollars 18 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: in assets. Prior to his experience of the Pentagon, mister 19 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 1: Pateel served as Deputy Assistant to the President and senior 20 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: Director for counter Terrorism on the National Security Council. Cash. 21 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,759 Speaker 1: Welcome and thank you for joining me again on News World. 22 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 2: Mister speaker. It's great to be with you today. Thank 23 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 2: you for having me on the show. 24 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: I'm curious, as I remember your parents wanted you to 25 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: become a medical doctor, but instead he became a defense attorney. 26 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 3: I mean, how did that happen? Best laid plan, sir? 27 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:57,559 Speaker 2: So I went to college and I went to see 28 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 2: my school counselor on day of college and I said, 29 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 2: I guess I'm pre med. And he laid out the 30 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 2: next eight years of my life for me on that day, 31 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 2: and I said, I don't think that's for me. And 32 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 2: I just sort of followed whatever interested me there after, 33 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,119 Speaker 2: and the law was what seemed to be it and 34 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 2: that's what led me there. 35 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: I was told that part of your transition into being 36 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: a defense lawyer came from being a caddy at the 37 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 1: Garden City Country Club. How did that intersection work? 38 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 3: You do your homework, mister speaker. 39 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know I caddied from when I was 40 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 2: thirteen to twenty one to help pay for college and 41 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 2: the foursome that I would caddy for on a regular 42 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 2: basis at this country club on Long Island were all 43 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 2: private criminal defense attorneys, and I thought their stories were 44 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 2: really cool about how they would go to court and 45 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 2: do these trials and have these exciting cases. And in 46 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 2: the back of my mind, I guess it just sort 47 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 2: of settled there for a while that I found that 48 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 2: really interesting. But I never thought I would become a 49 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 2: public defender. I thought I would become the private defense 50 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 2: attorney guy, and that just never happened. 51 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: So I'm curious when you wrote Government Gangsters, and I 52 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: remember talking with you both in your White House Spirit 53 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 1: and then Defense Weapon and you know an immense amount, 54 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: but Government Gangsters was delayed in publishing because the Defense 55 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: Department was holding on to it to make sure no 56 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 1: classified information got out, and you ended up having to 57 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: sue to get the book out. Was this a deliberate 58 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: dragging their feet to try to block the book from 59 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:29,239 Speaker 1: coming out. 60 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. 61 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 2: In my opinion as speaker, I think what they wanted 62 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,839 Speaker 2: was a blockade to prevent the manuscript from coming out 63 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 2: because they don't want the things printed and that I 64 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 2: put in there, and they use typical government excuses like, oh, 65 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 2: we sent it out, it's being reviewed doj, FBI, dd NSA, 66 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 2: everybody's got to look at this thing. And I said, 67 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 2: I understand the process, but it usually takes two to 68 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 2: three months. So I actually knew they weren't going to 69 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 2: move until we took them to federal court. So I 70 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 2: sued the Biden administration and all the agencies and departments 71 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 2: to release my manuscript. And wouldn't you know, within weeks 72 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 2: after our lawsuit, they came back and they said, oh, 73 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 2: it's good to go now, and they only redacted point 74 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 2: zero five percent of my book. It's literally the same 75 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 2: six words eight times over. It was laughable. 76 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 3: That was it. That was it? 77 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,039 Speaker 1: So how long did it take them to find these 78 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 1: six words? 79 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 2: Knowing what the six words are and having my background, 80 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 2: my attorneys and I found it so hysterical that they 81 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 2: pick these words because they are not classified whatsoever. It 82 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 2: just points to the name of an entity that's already 83 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 2: in the public sector and sphere, and I think that's 84 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 2: what they utilized in front of the court to justify 85 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 2: their delay. In the nine months preceding the lawsuit, the FBI, 86 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 2: which I'm very critical of in the book, and Chris 87 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 2: Ray had had the manuscript for nine months and they 88 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 2: hadn't looked at it. But once I filed the lawsuit, 89 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 2: they cleared my manuscript without redactions in twenty four hours, 90 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 2: so we know they were just playing games to prevent 91 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 2: the release of the information in there. 92 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: Were you surprised? First when you were at the House 93 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: Intelligence Committee and then when you were at State and Defense? 94 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 1: Was the deep state a lot bigger thing than you expected? 95 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 3: Way more? 96 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 2: I mean, I just thought in my entire tenure in 97 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 2: government service some sixteen years, there was going to be 98 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 2: some bad actors along the way. We've always seen some 99 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 2: level of government corruption, but I thought it was a 100 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 2: one off here and there. And then when Devin Nunez 101 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 2: brought me on to run the Russiagate investigation after my 102 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 2: tenure at the Justice Department, my first in at DoD 103 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 2: and Intelligence, I was floored. As a national security prosecutor 104 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 2: who used the FISA process in a seven or two 105 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 2: process to manhunt terrorist around the world. I was absolutely 106 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 2: besides myself that a deep Department of Justice would use 107 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 2: that process to investigate a presidential campaign and his surrogates. 108 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 2: And then when I dug into it, I couldn't believe 109 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:00,040 Speaker 2: how many people had gotten together to lie to a 110 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 2: federal court, the fies a court just so that they 111 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 2: could get the surveillance warn't up. And the thing I 112 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 2: guess as a former public defender that shocked me the 113 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 2: most was the amount of evidence of innocence, of exculpatory 114 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 2: evidence these individuals at DOJ and FBI had excluded from 115 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 2: the warrant application itself, which launched the entire rustigate thing. 116 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 2: And if that weren't bad enough, I thought, wow, look 117 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 2: at that deep state. The deep state that came in 118 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 2: behind those individuals during the Trump administration to cover up 119 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 2: and I'm talking about Republicans, to cover it all up 120 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 2: was even more shocking to me. We ended up fighting 121 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 2: them more than I fought the Democrats and the deep 122 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 2: staters that were committing this conduct. I didn't think in 123 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 2: the United States of America that was possible, but that's 124 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 2: what we uncovered. 125 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 1: I've recently started a series at The American Spectator going 126 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: all the way back to World War Two and the 127 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: Soviet penetration of the system to try to outline the 128 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 1: depths behind how we got to the current constitutional crisis. 129 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: And it strikes me that it really is a constitutional crisis. 130 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: When you were working for an administration which the bureaucracy 131 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: was actively trying to undermine and weaken, despite the fact 132 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: that the American people had elected it. I mean, didn't 133 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: you find that sort of stunning from. 134 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 3: A constitutional perspective? You're absolutely right. 135 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 2: How is it that Donald Trump and during his administration, 136 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 2: his appointed Attorney General, his appointed FBI director, his appointed 137 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 2: Secretary of Defense, and so many others. I would go 138 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 2: into interagency meetings to execute the president's lawful authorities to 139 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 2: issue the national security mission, whether it was hostage rescue, 140 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 2: wiping out terrorists, taking out enemies, and ending the forever wars. 141 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 2: These individuals would come into the room and say they 142 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 2: had the mandate to block a lawful authority of the 143 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 2: President of the United States. And I found that equally 144 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 2: as shocking as I found the deep state. But then 145 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 2: I dug a little deeper, and I was trying to 146 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 2: figure out, why would you block the commander in chief's order? 147 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 2: And it's the one thing that a lot of these 148 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 2: government gangsters in Washington, DC have in common. They are 149 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 2: always looking out for each other and the institutions they serve, 150 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 2: rather than doing the job. And President Trump the unique 151 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 2: ability that he had when he came in, was he 152 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 2: not only promised and campaigned on doing things on the 153 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 2: national security front, like securing the border and ending the 154 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 2: war in Afghanistan and taking out terras. He did them 155 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 2: and in a shockingly high percentage. And I think that 156 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 2: turned these individuals at the top against him because they 157 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 2: didn't like his personality or they didn't like his style, 158 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 2: and they continued this deep so they continued to ncap 159 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 2: his administration for almost two years with just the Russia 160 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 2: Gate investigation and stuff. I mean, we have to remind people, 161 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 2: but John Durham and our investigation on Capitol Hill found 162 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 2: was there was no lawful authority to ever investigate Donald 163 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 2: Trump in the first place. But we now know, and 164 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 2: it's in the book, that the NSA was given a 165 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 2: contract to actually tunnel into Donald Trump's White House and 166 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 2: exploit email traffic that was going in and out of there. 167 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 2: I mean, this is what these people signed off on 168 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 2: because they were so out and bent on trying to 169 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 2: find out information that didn't exist so they could satisfy 170 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 2: the media. 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You actually see FBI agents and intelligence agents 194 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: giving the New York Times and the Worshington Post stuff 195 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: it's totally false, but that they're eager to print. 196 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, And what we track in government, gangsters and elsewhere 197 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 2: is the coordinated leaks. One of the themes of the 198 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 2: book is that I don't believe there are any coincidences 199 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:15,959 Speaker 2: in government, and there is no deep state without the 200 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 2: mainstream media, especially the DOJ and FBI DoD during Russia 201 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 2: Gate and during other events, leaked classified information to the media. 202 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:27,959 Speaker 2: Just look at bad actors like Adam Schiffen company too 203 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 2: in Congress. 204 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:30,839 Speaker 3: So it's not just in the executive. 205 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 2: Branch to uphold narratives that they wanted to take out 206 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 2: Donald Trump. 207 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 3: Ie, Donald Trump is a Russian asset. 208 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 2: We know that's completely false, but half of the United 209 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 2: States of America thought that was the case, and a 210 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 2: lot of them still do because they watched the mainstream media. 211 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 2: A lot of the mainstream media also lied about the 212 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 2: DOJ and FBI's conduct during Russia Gate to the fights 213 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 2: of court, and now we know and equivocally that they 214 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 2: lied to get that application up and running. And the 215 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 2: problem we run in too is when you stack these 216 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 2: mainstream media narratives together that were authored by these deep 217 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:10,559 Speaker 2: state actors, people get past the truth and two three 218 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 2: years later, when they learn about it, the mainstream media 219 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 2: is coming up with their next iteration of an election 220 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 2: rigging scam, like the fifty one intelligence letter on Hunter 221 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 2: Biden's laptop is just one example. And for me, that 222 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 2: was the most undemocratic, unconstitutional thing I had ever seen. 223 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 2: And by the way, that's what spawned the two tier 224 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:33,239 Speaker 2: system of justice. Nobody in that leaked classified information unlawfully 225 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 2: was ever prosecuted for this five year window. And now 226 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 2: you see what's happening to Donald Trump today and the 227 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 2: disparate treatment by the Attorney General in the FBI of 228 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 2: him versus what so many in the deep state did. 229 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 2: They got away with because they wanted to take out 230 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 2: Donald Trump. 231 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: To what extent do the anti Trump Republicans not understand 232 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 1: what's going on. 233 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 2: I think they full well understand and it I think 234 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 2: what they're trying to do is take them out. I 235 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 2: think they the entrenched class. And as part of a 236 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 2: big problem of the government gangsters is the folks that 237 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 2: go into government, into these high level positions then kareem 238 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 2: out of government and get a golden parachute back into 239 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 2: say the. 240 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 3: Defense industrial complex. 241 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 2: It's a very cyclical problem, and I think they're very 242 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 2: aware of the ethos they have is Washington, DC exists 243 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 2: to serve us, not Donald Trump and his mission that 244 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 2: when he put America first. 245 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:33,079 Speaker 3: And I'll give you a primetime example. 246 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 2: We know that Rod Rosenstein, as the acting Attorney General, 247 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 2: signed the most bogus PAISA warrant, one that was actually 248 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 2: rescinded by the FISK itself. And we also know that 249 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 2: FBI Director Chris Ray helped him cover up the Russiagate scandal. 250 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 2: These two individuals, along with Gina Haswell, who was Chief 251 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,199 Speaker 2: of Stations for the CIA in London when Russiagate was launched, 252 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 2: she was the sole individual that authorized overseas operation to 253 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 2: collect intelligence against the. 254 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 3: President of the United States. 255 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 2: These three individuals would get cabinet positions later in government, 256 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:12,079 Speaker 2: and two of these individuals, Rod Rosenstein and Chris Ray, 257 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 2: would threatened Devin Nunas and I to surveil us. And 258 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 2: what we found out five years later is Ray and 259 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 2: Rosenstein actually did unlawfully surveil me. A senior congressional staffer 260 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 2: on Capitol Hill for doing our job. I mean, I 261 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 2: followed a lawsuit on that just a week ago, and 262 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 2: we could talk about that later. But the point of 263 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 2: this is, do you know now today where Gina Haspell 264 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 2: and Rod Rosenstein currently work. They work at Chris Faray's 265 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 2: old law firm. That's just one example of the cyclical 266 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 2: nature of the seven figure payout and how these people 267 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 2: stick together. 268 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: I saw a note about the number of people on 269 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: the left who had left government office and got the 270 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: right university, the right think tank. As part of why 271 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: I'm writing this piece with the Spectator is it there 272 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: is an interlocking ecosystem on the left that is just massive, 273 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: and that you know, you have somebody who writes a 274 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: paper which then gets published by the New York Times, 275 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: which then gets used by the Justice Department. I mean, 276 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: all this stuff is circular and kind of surrounds the 277 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: rest of us in a way that is very hard 278 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: to deal with. 279 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 2: And what they do is, once they've put out the narrative. 280 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 2: Underneath that narrative, as you described, they are going to 281 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 2: take out the personnel and the people that are contradicting 282 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 2: their disinformation campaign and the mainstream media. 283 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 3: They don't do it alone. 284 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 2: They do it in conjunction with these deep state actors, 285 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 2: these government gangsters. I mean, you've been on the receiving 286 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 2: end of some pretty severe vitriol and fake news attacks. 287 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 3: I have as well, and so many others that we know. 288 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 2: And the hope is that they will ultimately utilize law 289 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 2: fare unconstitutionally against us in the hopes that we just 290 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 2: stop talking, or that we stop providing support to say 291 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 2: President Trump or the America First Movement. I mean, they've 292 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 2: come after us withas with trumped up charges, and they'll 293 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 2: never stop and unless we take a stand and show 294 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 2: the American people two things. One that they are doing 295 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 2: this because I think educating the American people that a 296 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 2: deep state is not a right wing conspiracy, it's a reality, 297 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 2: that Russia Gate actually happened, and the cover up happened, 298 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 2: That Hunter Biden's laptop is real information of crimes, that 299 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 2: the fifty one Intel letter is another example of election rigging. 300 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 3: And there's a two tier system of. 301 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 2: Justice when it comes to not just Donald Trump and 302 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 2: how Joe Biden are treated in classified documents cases, but 303 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 2: how we are all treated. That permeates down to the 304 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 2: everyday American level. And once you have that, the deep 305 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 2: State is fully mobilized to come in and go after 306 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 2: our communities and the conservative movement. That's what they want 307 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 2: to do, take out Donald Trump and recap the Conservative movement. 308 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 2: That's why the entrenched Republican class in Washington isn't a 309 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 2: part of this movement because they're working together with the 310 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 2: deep state actors. They are the deep State to take 311 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 2: us out. And that's part of the mission of the 312 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 2: book is just to educate Americans that if you don't 313 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:09,719 Speaker 2: want to be fooled again during a presidential election cycle, 314 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 2: you have to stop listening to the mainstream media and 315 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 2: get your information elsewhere, like your great publications in the 316 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 2: American Spectator. 317 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: Rosmulsen just came out with a poll that seventy two 318 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: percent of the American people are concerned that the US 319 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 1: is becoming a police state, and that forty six percent 320 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 1: are very concerned. Do you think that's a reasonable concern. 321 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 3: I think it's more than reasonable. 322 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 2: I think one of the major issues I take up 323 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 2: in Government Gangsters is how the justice system and intelligence 324 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 2: communities have been weaponized to take out any individuals or 325 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:50,880 Speaker 2: groups that they think are a threat to their reign 326 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 2: of power. 327 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 3: And what I do in the book is layout chapter and. 328 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 2: Verse how each agency and department has participated in that process. 329 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,679 Speaker 2: We've talked about it few up to this point. The 330 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 2: one that we haven't talked about. I think the one 331 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 2: of the biggest culprits is the Department of Defense and 332 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 2: the Defense Industrial complex. I think they are worse than 333 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 2: all the lobbying groups put together. They are the reason 334 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 2: why we are sending one hundred and fifteen billion dollars 335 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 2: to the Ukraine unchecked. They are the reason we spend 336 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 2: two trillion dollars in Afghanistan. 337 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 3: It's not a. 338 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 2: Republican or democratic institution. The Defense industrial complex, which does 339 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 2: a lot of good, also does some of the most 340 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 2: weaponized work in government. They will entrench people who are 341 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 2: secretaries of Defense to come out and get their golden 342 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 2: parachute and ten million dollars pay day, and that cycle 343 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 2: will continue just so they can keep cutting the checks 344 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 2: and getting Congress to keep funding these efforts. And if 345 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 2: you dare to stand up against them, they will come 346 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 2: after you with this police state. They will come after 347 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 2: you with their partners at DOJ or the intelligence community 348 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,880 Speaker 2: and say, you know, cash Pttel is actually someone who 349 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 2: is an anti American or a right wing nut. I mean, 350 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 2: this is what these people write, and they'll try to 351 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 2: sue you, they'll try to subpoena you, and they want 352 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 2: you to spend hundreds of thousand dollars on legal fees 353 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 2: just so you stop putting out the truth. And that 354 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 2: to me, can't happen. We cannot be shut down, we 355 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 2: cannot be quieted. We have to put the mission first. 356 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 2: And I think the fact that most people are leaving 357 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 2: mainstream media and listening to Your Great Show and other 358 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 2: platforms to get their news shows us we're winning that battle, 359 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 2: but it's going to take some time. 360 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: You've had such a wide range of fascinating background because 361 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 1: you've seen things from the standpoint of the house in 362 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: the Congress, you've seen things from the standpoint of the 363 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: White House. You've seen things from our largest bureaucracy, the 364 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: Defense Department, so we can bring a lot to bear 365 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: and analyzing and educating the rest of us. One of 366 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: the fascinating examples was Benghazi because it both involves I 367 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: think deliberate dishonesty by Obama and deliberate dishonesty about Clinton, 368 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: and I know that you were deeply involved in looking 369 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: at that. What's your take on how Benghazi was handled. 370 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,919 Speaker 2: I was a national security prosecutor at the Department of 371 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 2: Justice at the time, and I was the lead prosecutor 372 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 2: for Maine Justice Headquarters Division on the Benghazi prosecutions, and 373 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 2: to me, I thought, Wow, we have to get this 374 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 2: one right. This was an attack essentially on American soil 375 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 2: in Libya that killed an ambassador and three great service members, 376 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 2: and we had to go out there and get the 377 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 2: terrorists to do it. But I remember sitting down with 378 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 2: an Attorney General, Eric Holder, and briefing him on how 379 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 2: many terrorists we wanted to prosecute north of twenty because 380 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:59,120 Speaker 2: they were responsible for this horrible, tragic event of murder, 381 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 2: murdering for Americans, and they. 382 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 3: Wouldn't let us do it. 383 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 2: He just said, now, we're just going to go after 384 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 2: this one guy and that's it. And I was just 385 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,199 Speaker 2: blown away by it. What also occurred out of the 386 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 2: Bengazi scandal that I talked about in the book is 387 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 2: that's where Hillary Clinton's email scandal came from. She was 388 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 2: Secretary of State during that process, and when we went 389 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 2: in there to go look at the discovery materials to 390 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:22,400 Speaker 2: make sure the. 391 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 3: Defendants had due process. 392 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 2: That's where that information all pulled out of and I 393 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 2: think that's what started it. And the problem I had 394 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 2: with it was that it was handled improperly, not just 395 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:36,439 Speaker 2: by Department of Justice and the FBI, but that for 396 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 2: a political reason, we let many terrorists go because they 397 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 2: didn't want to prosecute those individuals for some reason. And 398 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 2: the one individual that they did prosecute, now we're able 399 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 2: to fast forward and talk about it. Katala is an 400 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:53,679 Speaker 2: individual that's going to shortly be released from prison. You 401 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 2: heard that right, The individual that the one guy that 402 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,439 Speaker 2: we prosecuted from Magazi got such a low level prison 403 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 2: sentence because this DOJ under Attorney General Holder bungled the 404 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,640 Speaker 2: prosecution and wouldn't listen to the facts and the law 405 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 2: and politicize the Department of Justice so that I believe 406 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 2: they did it so that they could support a Hillary 407 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 2: Clinton for President narrative, because she was the leading candidate 408 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 2: at the time and this happened on her watch, and 409 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 2: they didn't want it to go to Donald Trump, of course, 410 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 2: And that was the original sin for me that preceded 411 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 2: Russia Gate, even That's why I think Bengazi is so critical. 412 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 2: But most importantly, we failed the American people. There are 413 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 2: still a dozen or so people involved in that murder, 414 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 2: in that terrorist attack that remained free because the Obama 415 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 2: administration refused to prosecute them. 416 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 1: Why do you think that holder did not want to 417 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 1: prosecute him. 418 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 2: I mean, he never gave me a specific reason, but 419 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 2: my sense of it was that it would cause too 420 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 2: much information to come out. As I alluded to, the 421 00:22:56,000 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 2: Hillary Clinton email saga started from the Bengazi prosecutions discovery 422 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 2: process and looking at all the information that had gone 423 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 2: back and forth. And I also think that remember, you know, 424 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 2: the whole Susan Reis ordeal about her lying to the 425 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,880 Speaker 2: world and saying it had to do with some newspaper 426 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 2: burning an effigy of the prophet Muhammad for those people 427 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 2: that are of the Muslim faith, and it was a 428 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 2: total lie. 429 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,199 Speaker 3: It was a complete and total lie. 430 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 2: And I think the Justice Department was weaponized to run 431 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 2: cover for. 432 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 3: The Democratic Party. 433 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 2: Maybe back then people thought that was a crazy right 434 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 2: wing talking point, but now we know they've established a 435 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 2: track record of it, from Benghazi to Russia Gate, to 436 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 2: Hunter Biden to Joe Biden and any January sixth prosecution. Really, 437 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 2: we've seen not any, but most January sixth prosecutions. We've 438 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:45,199 Speaker 2: seen their disparate treatment. 439 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: You know. Part of what really changed my view of 440 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 1: this whole fight was reading Andy McCarthy's book Ball of Collusion, 441 00:23:55,560 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 1: where he says flatly that on thin is j January seventh, 442 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:08,959 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, Obama hosts a meeting of Justice, FBI, and 443 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:14,640 Speaker 1: intelligence to talk through how to basically cripple the Trump administration. 444 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: And it hit me that, I guess, because he got 445 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: such extraordinarily favorable protective coverage by the news media, Obama 446 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: is really at the heart of a lot of this. 447 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: These are his appointees, These are his decisions. Susan Rice 448 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,479 Speaker 1: did not go out there without his knowing about it. 449 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:33,360 Speaker 3: Why do you think Obama? 450 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: Well, one, do you think I'm right that he is 451 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 1: in fact much more culpable than people have been saying. 452 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 1: And two, why do you think he gets away with it? 453 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 2: I do agree with you that a lot of this 454 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 2: starts and ends with President Obama, and it's the cyclical 455 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,360 Speaker 2: nature of the deep state. You just highlighted the most 456 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 2: critical meeting that we analyze when I was running the 457 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 2: russ of Gate investigation, the one where Brennan, then the 458 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 2: head of the CIA, goes in and briefs Obama and 459 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 2: his team, including Justice Department officials, that Hillary Clinton had 460 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 2: started this operation to take out Donald Trump based on 461 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 2: bogus fake intelligence. They knew that from Jump and they Clapper, Brennan, Obama, 462 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:21,159 Speaker 2: Clinton and company wanted to ensure that they recapped Donald 463 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 2: Trump on the way into the White House because they 464 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,640 Speaker 2: felt that Donald Trump took away the election from them. 465 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 2: They the deep state were rising up to go against 466 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,479 Speaker 2: Donald Trump because he knew they would be exposed. And 467 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 2: so I think you're one hundred percent right that it 468 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 2: goes to Barack Obama as to the why and the 469 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:43,360 Speaker 2: allowed cover up. It's because the entrenched bureaucracy in Washington, 470 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 2: DC became so wed to Barack Obama and his presidency 471 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 2: and they got so rewarded in monetary fashions, in position 472 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 2: fashions that they had to support whatever Obama put out there. 473 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 2: Case in point, just to bring this full circle, just 474 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:05,120 Speaker 2: this past week or the week before, Brennan and Clapper, 475 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 2: the two individuals who lied to Congress about surveilling the 476 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 2: United States Senate and about collecting metadata on American citizens. 477 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 2: Both of these cabinet secretaries were now just recently appointed 478 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 2: by the DHS Secretary of Majorcis to intelligence positions to 479 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 2: publicly go out and speak a narrative. 480 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:27,959 Speaker 3: That they know is false. 481 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 2: But they now know that Donald Trump is on the 482 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 2: rise again, and these two individuals, it's no surprise the 483 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,120 Speaker 2: guys that launched Russiagate and the cover operation are now 484 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 2: being placed back in power in a public position to 485 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 2: take out Donald Trump, and that's exactly what they're going 486 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,919 Speaker 2: to do. It's shocking to me that they still have 487 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 2: a security clearance. It's one of the measures that we 488 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,360 Speaker 2: talk about in government answers that needs to be utilized 489 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:53,479 Speaker 2: to kneecap these individuals and preclude them from earning a 490 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,400 Speaker 2: living once they violated. 491 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 3: Their constitutional oaths of office. 492 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 2: But it's no coincidence that these guys are back, and 493 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,439 Speaker 2: no coincidence, you met my bottom dollar, that they're talking 494 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,679 Speaker 2: to President Barack Obama on how to go forward and 495 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 2: what they should do in the Democratic Party, because I 496 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 2: think they're smart enough to realize that Democrats don't even 497 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 2: want Joe Biden to run And now they're figuring out 498 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 2: a way for the Republicans to do their dirty work 499 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 2: form by impeaching Joe Biden. 500 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: How likely is it do you think that the fourteenth 501 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: Amendment can be used to actually keep Trump off the ballot? 502 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 3: Zero if any American? 503 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,919 Speaker 2: And this is a great example of how dominant the 504 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 2: fake news is and how dominant disinformation is. Everybody listening 505 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 2: to this podcast, So just open up their pocket Constitution 506 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 2: and read the first sentence of the fourteenth Amendment. Do 507 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 2: you know the only position that does not appear listed 508 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,159 Speaker 2: in the fourteenth Amendment? President? The fourteenth Amendment list the 509 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,640 Speaker 2: vice presidency. The fourteenth Amendment list senators, it lists House 510 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 2: of Representatives and other classifications lower than that, but it 511 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,120 Speaker 2: does not list the presidents of the United States. Because 512 00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 2: our founding fathers did not want this scenario to play out. 513 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 2: They didn't want a political vendetta and the Constitution to 514 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 2: be used to take out someone who is going to 515 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 2: be running for the presidency of the United States. They 516 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 2: felt that decision should be adjudicated at the polls. So 517 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 2: this is just their as I call it, Russia Gate 518 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 2: twenty seven point zero. And they've got fifteen others coming 519 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 2: down the pike that they've already planned, be it through 520 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 2: George Soros funded law for actions, be it through the 521 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 2: DOJ and FBI weaponization, be through the intelligence communities politicization 522 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 2: of its process. They are going to come out, maybe 523 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 2: it's the new Brennan and Clapper initiative, and figure out 524 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,959 Speaker 2: another way once this Fourteenth Amendment narrative dies off. But 525 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 2: the one thing you have to remind the audience is 526 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 2: the fourteenth Amendment precludes secretaries of State, that is, the 527 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 2: fifty states of the United States of America from removing 528 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 2: anybody from the presidency of the United States. 529 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 3: It's that simple. 530 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: You make a point in your book, which I think 531 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: is very important, that the whole notion of trials in DC, 532 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 1: particularly for conservatives, is crazy because, I mean, Trump got 533 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 1: five percent of the vote and a jury pool would 534 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 1: be nineteen to one against him. I mean, how can 535 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 1: you talk about trial in front of your peers when 536 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: your peers are nineteen to one oppost you before the 537 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 1: trial starts. Isn't there something profoundly wrong about that? 538 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 2: It's profoundly in my opinion on constitutional That's why there 539 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 2: are avenues to seek alternative jurisdictions. The United States Supreme 540 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 2: Court has said that in those circumstances, when a jury 541 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 2: pool is so tainted and you cannot receive a fair jury, 542 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 2: the Constitution mandates a fair jurisdiction of fair venue, and 543 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 2: the Department of Justice, just like Merrik Garland, when he 544 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 2: lied last week to Congress under oath again about his 545 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 2: handling of the Hunter Biden case and his involvement in 546 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 2: the Trump prosecutions, it reminded me that the DOJ has 547 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 2: been blurting out massive disinformation campaigns from the well of 548 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 2: Congress for a year. They keep saying, oh, it's long 549 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 2: standing DOJ principle. Well, when does principle trump the law 550 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 2: the Constitution of the United States? And I was just 551 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 2: shocked to learn that we've gone on for decades allowing 552 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 2: DJ to get away with that statement. And in my book, 553 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 2: I call for the Department of Justices regulations to be changed, 554 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 2: which is very easy to do. Any Attorney general can 555 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 2: do it and say that these cases, these politicize, these 556 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 2: weaponized cases need if they are going to be brought. 557 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 2: I don't think they're brought lawfully, but if they're going 558 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 2: to be brought, need to be subjected to a change 559 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 2: of venue or bringing in another jurisdiction far far away. 560 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 3: From Washington, DC. 561 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 2: It's very easy to do. People think it's unlawful, which 562 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 2: is not the truth. And when you have an Attorney 563 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 2: General and an FBI director who repeatedly tell Americans that 564 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 2: it's long standing department policy to do things this way, 565 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 2: I think. 566 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 3: That is a grotesque violation of the. 567 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 2: Constitution, but a tool that the Deep State keeps in 568 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 2: their back pocket to utilize all the time. 569 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 3: I want to thank you. 570 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 1: I've always enjoyed since I think it was Vince Haley 571 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: first introduced us, back when he was a speech writer 572 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 1: and you were operating in the old Executive Office building. 573 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: And you're amazingly smart, and you are hardworking, and you've 574 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: proven again and again you're very courageous. Your book, Government 575 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 1: Gangsters is an important book. I have pre ordered it, 576 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 1: and I encourage everyone to go and order it. We 577 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 1: really are going to do all weekend to make sure 578 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: people realize that Government Gangsters, the Deep State, the truth 579 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 1: and the Battle for Democracy is a key read in 580 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: terms of the fight that we're now in. And I 581 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 1: want to thank you. I'm grateful you would take this 582 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: time to be with. 583 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 2: Us now, mister speaker, I'm very humbled. Thank you for 584 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 2: having me on your show. As a younger conservative, I 585 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 2: would look up to your leadership. And it's just really 586 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 2: cool for me to now be face to face and 587 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 2: talking about a book. 588 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 3: That I wrote. I never thought a day like that 589 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 3: would come. 590 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 2: So thank you for your generous time and your appreciation 591 00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 2: of our movement. 592 00:31:58,320 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 3: And I'm sure we're going to see each other soon. 593 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 1: Thank you to my guest, Cash Patel. You can get 594 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 1: a link to buy his new book Government Gangsters on 595 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 1: our show page at newtsworld dot com. 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