1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: Now on SOCC we're watching this morning Fifth third Bank Corp. 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: The company meeting deposit expectations in the third quarter as 3 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: it focuses on stability. The bank is also keeping its 4 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: focus on expanding to the southeastern United States. Joining US 5 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: now is Tim Spence, Fifth Third Bank Corp. Chairman, CEO 6 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 1: and President. And you know, a lot of investors have 7 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: their eye on your market right now. Things seem to 8 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 1: be improving and holding stable in terms of that interest 9 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: income you're bringing in, but you're also looking to expand 10 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: you're looking to grow at this point in time. According 11 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: to Bloomberg's own estimates, the expense ratio just a little 12 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: bit more than expectations. How do you Tim set expectations 13 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: for investors on the growth rate you're putting forward. 14 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 2: Sure, and Shanelli, thank you for having me on this morning, 15 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 2: and I have been looking forward to chatting with you folks. 16 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 2: I think from my point of view, the way that 17 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 2: you run a really great regional bank through the cycle 18 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 2: as you focus on stability, profitability and growth in that order. 19 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 2: So last year was an important proving ground with the 20 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 2: challenges in liquidity that face so much of the sector. 21 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 2: If Third had a very good run in that regard. 22 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 2: I think we grew deposits by five percent year over year, 23 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 2: and the industry was down three The profitabilities remained really strong. 24 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 2: We have the highest roe of any of the banks 25 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 2: that have reported thus far, at least in our investor 26 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 2: peer group, and it's been the most stable over the 27 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 2: course of the past year. And the byproduct of that, 28 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 2: then is you get to focus on growth. I think 29 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 2: we have tried to be really diligent about maintaining consistent 30 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 2: expense growth. It's been the lowest of any of our 31 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 2: investor peers over the last five years on an organic basis. 32 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 2: But during that time we also been making big investments 33 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 2: in the franchise, principally in the expansion into the Southeast. 34 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 2: The investments that we continue to make in our commercial 35 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 2: payments platform and then our own internal technology projects, and 36 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 2: those things are important. You have to do them over 37 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 2: time because in a market that is as competitive as 38 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 2: the US banking system is building a competitive moas a 39 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 2: little bit like digging a hole in sand. If you 40 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 2: stop digging, it fills in a little bit. So we 41 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 2: will continue to be focused on making and investments and 42 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 2: strengthening the customer value proposition, expanding the reach and ensuring 43 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 2: as we enter into what I think may be a 44 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 2: pretty favorable environment for banks next year that we are 45 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:22,679 Speaker 2: positioned to benefit from the grandw. 46 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: No, I want to go back to what you were 47 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: saying about that Southeastern expansion. Guys, this is a Cincinnati, 48 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: Ohio based banking I know it. I know Matt Matt 49 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,959 Speaker 1: loves Ohio of course, from of course, I know we got. 50 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 2: A fellow Ohio and the Ohio. 51 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: So that Southeast expansion, I'm really curious about how you 52 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: go about it. Is this a matter of investing in 53 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: different branches and more people, or do you see yourself 54 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: making an acquisition at any point in time as you 55 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: make your expansion across the US little more. 56 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 2: Sure, the focus four fifth third really has been on 57 00:02:54,680 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 2: building out existing markets organically. We entered the Southeast in 58 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 2: South Florida specifically as far back as thirty years ago, 59 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 2: and then the bank did make a series of acquisitions 60 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 2: in the early two thousands that provided the initial entry 61 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 2: point in the platform. But all of the growth that 62 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 2: we have benefited from over the course of the past 63 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 2: few years has come from organic investments, either in building 64 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 2: out our retail branch network, or in the hiring of 65 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 2: experienced middle market banking and wealth management teams to ensure 66 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 2: that we had the full complement of businesses. So we 67 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,239 Speaker 2: have built the second most branches in the Southeast over 68 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 2: the course of the past five years and have then 69 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 2: been able to benefit from that, in particular in an 70 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 2: environment where raising deposits was important. The FDIC releases a 71 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 2: summary of deposits once a year in the third quarter 72 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 2: that gives us kind of a view market by market 73 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 2: into how we're doing. And we grew deposits in the 74 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 2: Southeast by sixteen percent last year and gained market share 75 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 2: in fourteen of the fifteen mssays we compete. So I 76 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 2: feel really good about our ability to continue to grow 77 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 2: in those markets achieve the top five share position that 78 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 2: we have targeted on an organic basis. Well, let's keep 79 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 2: talking about the Southeast, because you highlight in your notes 80 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 2: that you plan to accelerate your new branch opening so 81 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 2: that by twenty twenty eight nearly half of your network 82 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 2: will be in the Southeast. 83 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 1: So some big plans there. Can we talk about why 84 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: what do you see in the Southeast? 85 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think the thing that everybody sees in 86 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 2: the Southeast has been the big demographic migration that many 87 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 2: of the mid size markets in the Southeast have benefited 88 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 2: from over a period of about the last ten or 89 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 2: fifteen years. The pandemic certainly accelerated the growth in some 90 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 2: of the markets, but even if you take the pandemic 91 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 2: out the Southeast mid size metro areas, we're growing at 92 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 2: a rate, call it, two to five times the rate 93 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 2: of US population. And the other reason that we like 94 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 2: this sort of fifty to fifty mix is that I 95 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 2: think a glowlobal financial crisis and then a global health 96 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 2: pandemic caused people to forget that historically economic pullbacks recessions 97 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 2: were really regional phenomenon, and we think there's a real 98 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 2: benefit to having a fifty to fifty multi regional split 99 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 2: just in terms of our ability to continue to drive 100 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 2: diversification into the business and thereforeum more stable, consistent return 101 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 2: profile through the cycle. 102 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 3: All Right, I want to ask about you know, your customers, 103 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 3: the business that you're dealing with, because we talk about 104 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 3: the US economy as a monolith all the time. Three 105 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 3: percent GDP adding I don't know, two hundred and fifty 106 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 3: thousand jobs, three percent unemployed. Sorry, three percent inflation at 107 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 3: the core. But obviously it's going to be different for 108 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 3: the people at Skyline Chile. You know that you're dealing 109 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 3: with in Cincinnati every day. So what's your customer profile 110 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 3: look like compared to sort of the medium that we 111 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 3: talk about here in New York All the time? 112 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 2: You had me worried there for a minute, Matt, that 113 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 2: you were going to ask me to com on the 114 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 2: Skyline Chili Greater's ice cream collaboration. 115 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 3: Delicious. 116 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd had to know comment on that one. Yeah. Look, 117 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 2: I think the economy is a little bit uneven right now. 118 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 2: Maybe I'll start on the consumer side and then I'll 119 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 2: hit businesses. If you look at the consumer population, and 120 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 2: we really are a super prime lender in consumer, but 121 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 2: we bank the full spectrum in terms of financial circumstances. 122 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 2: In our deposit business, folks who had assets and who 123 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 2: owned their homes going into the pandemic are benefiting from 124 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 2: really a historically favorable environment. Their wage growth has been 125 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 2: pretty good, All asset values have performed well. They locked 126 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 2: in fixed rate mortgages at a two and a half 127 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 2: to three percent interest rate, and the byproduct to that 128 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 2: is they continue to run at a level if you 129 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 2: just look at the liquidity they have available that's well 130 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 2: above and to spend, for the matter, at a level 131 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 2: that's well above what the historical trend would be. If, 132 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 2: on the other hand, you look at the bottom core 133 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 2: tile of the population in terms of income more likely 134 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 2: to rent than they are to own, they're experiencing is 135 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 2: still pretty significant hardships, right. Inflation hit those folks hard, 136 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 2: not just because you were talking about the increased cost 137 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 2: of buying or ensuring a car, but you had rental inflation, 138 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 2: which is the single largest expense that they face on 139 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 2: a monthly basis, and then the run up in food prices, 140 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 2: and they have not kept up. In fact, the bottom 141 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 2: core tile of the consumer population in terms of income, 142 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 2: it's like twenty percent below pre pandemic levels in terms 143 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 2: of the balance they carry in their checking account month 144 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 2: to month, so they're tight. I think the same dynamic 145 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 2: as materialized in businesses. More interest rates sensitive sectors like 146 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 2: real estate have been challenged over the course of the 147 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 2: past couple of years. More indebted companies have been challenged. 148 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 2: Companies that didn't have control over their supply chain or 149 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 2: didn't have enough scale in their markets where they were 150 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 2: able to pass on increases in costs, whether they were 151 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 2: labor or otherwise. You know, have continued to struggle in 152 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 2: terms of their ability to rebound. The good news is 153 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 2: when you look at our footprint, we principally bank people 154 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 2: who make things, or who move things or distribute things. 155 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 2: We have the lowest chair of commercial real estate relative 156 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 2: to total loans of any of the banks are size. 157 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 2: We don't have an outsized mortgage portfolio. And the byproduct 158 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 2: of that is, you know, they have done pretty well 159 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 2: and in fact, in many cases have actually benefited from 160 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 2: the industrial policy here that's focused on more domestic manufacturing, 161 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 2: more energy independence, and otherwise. 162 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 3: All right, Tim, thanks so much for joining us. Tim 163 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 3: Spence there coming to us from Cincinnati and Fifth Third 164 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 3: Bank