1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back to the Clay Travis and 3 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton Show. We have with us now Congressman Jim 4 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: Jordan of Ohio, Congressman, a lot going on. Appreciate you 5 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 1: making the time for us. You bet, guys gonna be 6 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: with you. Hope you have a great East weekend. Well, 7 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 1: you know, I know that the Congress is looking into 8 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: a number of issues, including a weaponization of various agencies 9 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: and possible mouthfeasance by many of us were called deep 10 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: state actors, were those who are abusing the authority given 11 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:41,319 Speaker 1: them for various law enforcement and investigatory roles. You've got 12 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 1: some stuff to talk to us about. Wondering what you 13 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: can tell us. Well, we know that you know this 14 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: story book of while back, but the Richmond Field Office 15 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: and the FBI was looking to you know, treats traditional 16 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: Catholics as domestic extremists. And we've now been able to 17 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: look at the the memo put together by the folks 18 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: there in that that office and it's I mean, it's 19 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: it's frightening because they were looking to put informants and 20 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: undercover people inside of parishes, inside of churches, talking to parishioners, 21 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 1: talking to folks exercising their First Amendment freedom of religion 22 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: a right. And yet the FBI one of the the people 23 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: in there because they thought that people are you know, 24 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 1: they they use the term radical traditional Catholic. So it 25 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,759 Speaker 1: is truly scary what's going on? What was going on there, 26 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: and it's just part of this broader pattern where we 27 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: see the the ftc asking in private company, who are 28 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: the who are the journalists you're talking to? Naming for 29 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: naming for those journalists personally, two of them testify in 30 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:50,279 Speaker 1: front of our committee. And while they're testifying, Democrats members 31 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: of Congress ask them who their sources are. And while 32 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: they're asking one of those witnesses who his sources are, 33 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: the FBI, excuse me, the irs is knocking on his 34 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: door to his home. So, um, this is the scary, 35 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: scary trend we see and why we why we formed 36 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: the committee in this in this Congress. Jem I appreciate 37 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: you coming on happy belated Easter. I hope you and 38 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: your family had a good time as well. Did I 39 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: hear that they may have been trying to recruit priests 40 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: as informants? The FBI. They were when you look at 41 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: this and them one we we outlanded in the stuff 42 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: we put together and sent to the FBI. But when 43 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: you look at what they were trying to do, they 44 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 1: were trying to develop what they called trip wires, and 45 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 1: people within the church within that parish, within the church 46 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 1: leaders they talk about who could be possible sources to 47 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:39,359 Speaker 1: alert them to traditional radical traditional Catholics is the term 48 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: they use. Now that if that is not a direct 49 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: attack on the first rate mentioned in the first Amendment, 50 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: I do not do not know what is and so 51 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: that we found this just and how this got this 52 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: is the key thing to claim. But how did this 53 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: get How did this get by the General Council in 54 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: the Richmond Field Office, How this get by the people 55 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:02,079 Speaker 1: who are supposed to sign off on approving this memorandum 56 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: approving this action. And understand this taps into other field 57 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: offices around the country. Now they stopped it, thank goodness. 58 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: But the fact that it with that far is I 59 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: think what really concerns us and should concern every American 60 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: who tears about the Constitution. Speaking Congressman Jim Jordan of 61 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: Ohio and Congressman how are the efforts to see exactly 62 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: what kind of abuses have gone on in recent years 63 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: with the FBI. I mean, how is that coming along? 64 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: And I guess in some ways as importantly, maybe more important, 65 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: you could argue, is there anything that's going to be 66 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: done about any of this? And we often talk about how, 67 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: you know, look what they did to Trump and look 68 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: at the people that, well, the people that tried to 69 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: have a coup against Donald Trump based on lies with Russia, 70 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: collusion inside the FBI and the CIA and other places 71 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: and CEI director for example at the time. Then they've 72 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: all gone on to get book deals and jobs on TV. 73 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: So is there anything Congress ken or is willing to do. Well, 74 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: what we can do is do the investigations, get the truth, 75 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: and get the facts on the table. We're going to 76 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: do that. Second, we can propose legislation. We're going to 77 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: do that. But here's here's one example we're gonna put forward. 78 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: I think we're gonna have a member of our committee 79 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: who's going to bring this this bill forward. But if 80 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: you go after a former president like like like Alvin 81 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: Bragg and the dam in Manhattan's doing, if you do that, 82 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 1: you have that case has to move to federal court. 83 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,359 Speaker 1: You can't try that case in a in a in 84 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 1: a state that you know, district, you can't do you 85 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 1: can't do that. So that's just one kind of thing 86 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: we can do. Legislator, we're looking at other legislative remedies 87 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: to deal with this. What we believe is the is 88 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: the turning of these agencies against the American people. So 89 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 1: you can look at legislation and then maybe most importantly, 90 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 1: you have to look at the appropriations process. The founders, 91 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: in their wisdom, one of the House, the representatives, the Congress, 92 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: do have the power of the purse, and the in 93 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 1: the body that has the most power is the House. 94 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: That's why every taxing and spending bill has to start 95 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: in the House of Representatives, that body that is actually 96 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 1: closest to the American people because we stand for election 97 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: and reelection every two years. So we got to look 98 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: at the appropriations process and say to some of these energies, 99 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,119 Speaker 1: you can't spend money on X, Y Z, these certain 100 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: things that they've been doing, or maybe just cut back 101 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: some of the funds overall. So that's an important thing 102 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 1: that we have to I think focus on this Congress 103 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: as well. You know, President Trump really really well. I'm 104 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: sure you saw the footage of him at the UFC 105 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 1: and how ecstatic people were to see him in Miami. 106 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 1: Do you think that the charges by Alvin Bragg strip 107 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: aside the clear issues legally with it purely from a 108 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 1: political perspective, do you think it energized his campaign more 109 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:38,359 Speaker 1: so than you've seen or would expect. And how do 110 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: you think down the line, whether it's Atlanta or potentially 111 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 1: the DOJ, how do you see potentially multiple legal fronts 112 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: impacting this thing. Let me take the last one first one, 113 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: because I'm very nervous. Actually, I think probably agree maybe 114 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: a little north buck on this one. I think they're 115 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: going after him in every one. I think that. I 116 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: think you'll see this happen in Georgia the state accent, 117 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: and I think I'm afraid the DoD is going to 118 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: come after him too. And if they do, if you 119 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: think about this, they come after him on the classified 120 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: document issue, and don't go after Joe Biden. And now 121 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: that we know Joe Biden had things in at Delaware, 122 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: at his home at the beach in Chinatown and the 123 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 1: pen Biden, I mean, if they do that, that is 124 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: so dangerous, I think for the country. I am you know, 125 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: I just hope they don't go there, um because we don't. 126 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: I just I just hope that doesn't happen. But I 127 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: think they're gonna. I think they're gonna see him go 128 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: go all free, which is I just think so wrong. 129 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: What do you think the time frame will be on that, Jim, 130 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: if if they if they truly and I just find 131 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: it hard to believe. You may be right, and Buck 132 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 1: certainly has been on that too. If the DOJ decides 133 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 1: if they're going to go with him in all three fronts, Yeah, 134 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: what do you think the time frame on that would be? 135 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:47,559 Speaker 1: I don't know. I hope it doesn't happen. Um. And look, 136 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 1: I think it's real important nobody gets fired up out 137 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: there and do something they shouldn't do. Uh. I just 138 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: I think that's I just think, you know, no, no 139 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: overreaction and crazy reactions, anything like this. But I do 140 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: think that there's that you they see all that, and 141 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: I think that'd be so so wrong if they do. 142 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: The time frame who knows? Only Jack Smith knows that, 143 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: and only Department of Justice knows that. But I do 144 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: think this has energized President Trump's campaign. But I think 145 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: mostly what energizes his campaign is people know he fights 146 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: for them, He fights for the things they care about. 147 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: He went to the NC Douaba wrestling finals, twenty thousand fans. 148 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: He went to the final something I knows a little 149 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: something about, and the place went crazy and every single champion. 150 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: I don't know if you can find another sport maybe 151 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: besides UFC in collegiate wrestling where this happened, the ten 152 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: way classes, the ten champions, every champion win, he won, 153 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: went over to where President Trump was at, shook his hand, 154 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: got a picture with the President, I mean, and he 155 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: got a huge ovation. Our youngest son and his wife 156 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: were there at the tournament. I mean, that's just the 157 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: response he gets from middle America, working class America. They 158 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: know he fights for them, and I think that's what 159 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: energizes it more than anything. And then when they see 160 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: this action from Alvin Bragg, who wasn't even going to 161 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: bring the case because he knows Michael Cohen is a 162 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: terrible witness to have as your star witness, wasn't even 163 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: going to bring the case, changes his mind. They see 164 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: how ridiculous is that just fires up I think so 165 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: many Americans even more. Congressman Jordan, in your mind, is 166 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: it even possible to call the twenty twenty four election. 167 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: Let's assume Donald Trump is the nominee, and let's assume, 168 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: as you were mentioning a moment ago, that my sense 169 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: that this is the first of several prosecutions. I think 170 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: Clays he's Georgia happening too. He's a little less certain 171 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: about the federal charges. That. Yeah. So my argument, Congressman 172 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: is I think that they'll use the state and Biden 173 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: can then throw up his hands and say, oh, this 174 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: is not me, this is the state. But yeah, either way, 175 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: multiple let's just say, multiple prosecutions other Republican nominee. The 176 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 1: question I have for you is, as a Congressman, just 177 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: as an American, is the twenty twenty four election a 178 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: free and fair election if one party's candidate is other 179 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: indictment by partisans of the other side, that's the fundamental 180 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: question block And that's that's the part so many Americans 181 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: will look at like what even think about last week? 182 00:08:56,480 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: Even like Democrats like Andy McCabe sid this is pretty impressive. 183 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 1: What Alvin Bragwell, Yeah, everybody knows what's going on here. 184 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: And yet the left just continues to drive in this direction. So, 185 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: but it's nothing new. We've talked about this on your show. 186 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: In twenty sixteen, they spied on his campaign. In twenty eighteen, 187 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,319 Speaker 1: it was the Muller investigation. In twenty twenty, it was 188 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: suppression of the Hunter Biden story. In twenty twenty two, 189 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 1: they raid his home ninety one days before an election, 190 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: and in twenty twenty four they indict him. Like, based 191 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: on Michael Cohen's testimony, it sounds maybe this is craziness. 192 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: The country sees it for what it is, but the 193 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: left doesn't care, And that to me is the scariest part. 194 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: They don't care, and they just keep pushing and pushing 195 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: and pushing, and what it does to our culture, to 196 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: our country, to the great people of this you know, 197 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: three hundred and thirty something that is not healthy, but 198 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: they don't care because it's all about politics for them, 199 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 1: and that is that is the thing that frightens me 200 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: the most is how the left just continues to go 201 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: down this road that is not healthy. Do you think 202 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: that Hunter Biden should be charged? I mean, if he's 203 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: not going to be charged in Delaware, there's a lot 204 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 1: of district attorneys out there somewhere, I would think, just 205 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:07,079 Speaker 1: based on the raw data in that laptop, if we're 206 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: if we're basically creating a world where your forum shopping 207 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: constantly and if you are a far left wing activist 208 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: you can bring charges against people of the other political persuasion, 209 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: doesn't that suggest there should be a pushback somewhere, just 210 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: to set the message that it's not a one way street. 211 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: This is this is this is a great point claim, 212 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: and it is what frightens me too, because I think 213 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: Kimi Strussell's piece in the Journal two weeks ago where 214 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 1: she said she talked about and she used the term 215 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: that some others of these two but you talk about 216 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: crossing this this political rubicon or forgets exactly framed it, 217 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: but crossing the rubicon where now a conservative district attorney 218 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: in Texas or our consol or Indian or anywhere how 219 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: you name it can go after the other party. The 220 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: same dynamic is in play, and it's like, that's not America. 221 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: That's not how we're supposed to operate in our constitutional system, 222 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: in how we project to the world what we're really about. 223 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: That to me is the frightening thing. But yeah, people 224 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 1: have suggested that I think I think our flesher suggested 225 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: that did some local Republican prosecuting attorney, district attorney who says, 226 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: all right, let's go, let's go after the Democrats, let's 227 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: go up to the bidens. I hope we don't get 228 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: to that point, but that seems to be the president. 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Download 246 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: the Phoenix Groups Free Investor Guide today at PHX OnAir 247 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 1: dot com. That's PHX OnAir dot Com. Chiefing It d Real, 248 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 1: Chiefing It Honest. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Welcome back 249 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: end Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We mentioned the awful 250 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: results that came out of the Chicago mayor's race where 251 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 1: the far left wing Brandon Johnson, who is maybe even 252 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:47,679 Speaker 1: I think on the basic issues, further left wing than 253 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: even more Lightfoot was and Mori Lightfoot probably was the 254 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 1: worst mayor in the entire city. And I think she 255 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: got what seventeen our entire country seventeen percent if I 256 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: remember correctly of Chicago voters picked her in the primary, 257 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: and then there was a runoff. Two guys were very close, 258 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 1: Valis and Johnson. Vallas said hey, we need to support police, 259 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 1: we need to give them our backing as political leaders. 260 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: Brandon Johnson had been in favor of defunding the police, 261 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: and now he's even saying I can't believe this is real. 262 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: Social workers counselors EMTs. They need to be at crime scenes, 263 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: not more police. Listen to this. This is Chicago's new mayor. 264 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: One of the things that I think is actually quite 265 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: fascinating about our position here in Chicago. We've been pushing 266 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 1: this ordinance called treatment not Trauma in essence first responders, 267 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 1: social workers counselors MT these individuals which show up to 268 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: cause that required those type of interventions. In fact, in Chicago, 269 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:55,319 Speaker 1: almost forty percent of the nine one one cause our 270 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: mental health crises. We're asking police officers to do their 271 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 1: job in someone else. That's not strategic. In fact, sixty 272 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: percent of the violence that happens in the city of Chicago, 273 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 1: it occurs in six percent of the city. Okay, so 274 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: fortunately that six percent of the city largely decided that 275 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 1: they were going to support this candidate for mayor now 276 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: soon to be mayor. Right, I has he been sworn in? 277 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: I'd forget when this. I don't think he's been sworn 278 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: in yet, but yeah, yeah, which is just going to 279 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: result in a whole lot more shootings and violence and 280 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: bloodshed in Chicago than would have been the case. If 281 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: you had a true law and order mayor in place, 282 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: And I'll just point out clay this idea that we 283 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: just want mental health workers to show up for you know, 284 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: I just had the experience last week, which I talked 285 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 1: about in the show, of a guy who was, you know, 286 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: just masturbating in front of women on the subway at 287 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: nine am on in a crowded New York City subway area, right, 288 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: And no one does anything, no one says anything, cops 289 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: aren't there, nobody cares. And you say to yourself, well, 290 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: who's supposed to deal with that? Do they really think 291 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: that a mental health or social worker wants to deal 292 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: with that. Somebody who is doing something like that, somebody 293 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: who is having the police called because they're emotionally disturbed, 294 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: is a danger to people. That doesn't mean they are 295 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: necessarily going to do anything that is violent, but they've 296 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: already broken the law and people are scared. And people 297 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: who break the law and make people scared are much 298 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: more likely than just walking down the street to do 299 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: something awful to you. The cops are there because they 300 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: have tasers and batons and if necessary, a side arm, 301 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: and they have restraints and they that's the whole point, right, 302 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: you don't want to send a sociologist to do a 303 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: CoP's job. The sociologist doesn't want to do the job, Clay, 304 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: that's the point. They don't want to get sent. I mean, yeah, 305 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: how many social workers out there want to be on 306 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: call at two thirty and have to go into violent neighborhoods. 307 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: And this is to me a sign of how woefully 308 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: lacking in knowledge the new Chicago mayor is, because any 309 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: police officer out there listening to us right now knows 310 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: that you have no idea which of the calls that 311 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: you are going to go on are going to explode 312 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: in violence. Most people don't call the police because everything 313 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: is perfect. They're going to violent, dangerous situations. So this 314 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: is just this was the argument to defund the police 315 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: people made. I mean, this is just defund the police. 316 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: By another phrasing. He's saying, hey, I want there to 317 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: be more social workers counselors showing up at crime scenes. 318 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: That is a recipe for disaster, and frankly, it puts 319 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: those people as the social workers lives in danger. You know, 320 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: where the social workers can show up to the prison 321 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: where the person has been processed and is restrained and 322 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: there's law enforcement resources there and they can begin an interaction. 323 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: They're not doing it at the scene. Producer Ali, she 324 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: was in New York over the weekend. She just said 325 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: that there was well, this is between New York and 326 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: New Jersey. On the Path train. There was a crazy 327 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 1: guy swinging a cane around at everybody and it took 328 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 1: three police off public transportation. Yeah, we get can we 329 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: get Alie Alie. I gotta buyer an East scooter. We 330 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: gotta get we gotta get Alie off the off the stuff. 331 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: It three police officers to remove this guy, to restrain 332 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 1: them and remove the from the train. People also who 333 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 1: have never done this, a lot of a lot of 334 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: the very sort of you know, soft handed, soft brained 335 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: libs that are weighing in a law enforcement stuff. They've 336 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: never tried to actually, you know, fight, They've never been 337 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: to fight. They've never restrained anybody. They have no idea. 338 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 1: It's actually in a lot of ways for an adult 339 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: male to be able to hold them in place without 340 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 1: really hurting them and disabling them basically so you can 341 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 1: hold them is really hard to do, especially buck when 342 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: many of these people are under the influence of drugs, 343 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:59,160 Speaker 1: which makes them even stronger and even more unruly. This 344 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: is just it. It's embarrassing for the city of Chicago 345 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: to have made this choice. And if I had the 346 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: resources in the ability, I would leave. 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Welcome 363 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 1: back to Clay n Buk. It is definitely a desire 364 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:10,640 Speaker 1: of the Democrat left in this country to not only 365 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 1: disarm you, but to make self defense illegal. Essentially, you 366 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: are at the whim of the rabble rousers and the 367 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 1: street mob out there. You were at the whim of criminals. 368 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: You are to accept their violence against you, because for 369 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 1: you to take any action would be against social justice 370 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: or the collective needs of the state to balance out 371 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 1: the oppressions of past or present, whatever they come up with. 372 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: You're not allowed to defend yourself. That you have to 373 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: just call for the police and hope that they arrive 374 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: in time, and then hope that they don't prosecute you 375 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 1: for whatever reason. And I'm now thinking, of course, of 376 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:59,959 Speaker 1: the case of Daniel Perry, who was found guilty of murder, 377 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:04,199 Speaker 1: faces life in prison, the rest of his life in prison. 378 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: This is a active, an active member of the United 379 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: States military. I believe now he's obviously lost his connection 380 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: to the the military, pending what's going to happen here with 381 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: the governor. We'll talk more about that in a second. 382 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 1: I'm not sure how a pardon would affect that right 383 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: he may be able to be reinstated. But here's the 384 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: basics of the case in case anybody has forgotten this 385 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: in Clay and we didn't. This didn't come down in 386 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: time for us to talk about it on Friday. But 387 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 1: here's what happened, Daniel Perry. You remember during the summer 388 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:44,400 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty, the Democrats allowed mobs of BLM supporters 389 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: to rampage through the streets, to destroy property and to 390 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: shout threats and epithets at people with impunity, you know, 391 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 1: because this is what justice, this is what we needed. 392 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,679 Speaker 1: By the way, our friend Ryan Grudusky play just as 393 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: an a side shared out on Twitter earlier today, there 394 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 1: was a big jump in uh, not just more shooting mortality, 395 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: but shooting deaths of children. Yes, starting in twenty twenty, 396 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:19,919 Speaker 1: like think of forty percent, A massive fifty percent of 397 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: children being killed by guns started in twenty twenty, this increase. 398 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,679 Speaker 1: Why did that happen. It's not because the gun laws changed, folks. 399 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 1: It's because of BLM, the Democrats and the cowardice of 400 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:36,719 Speaker 1: their sorrows prosecutors and their nonsense narratives about the racist 401 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 1: criminal justice system that has to be overturned. We have 402 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: to abolish police all of that, more dead kids because 403 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: of Democrats. That is what happened. But back to this case, 404 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,199 Speaker 1: that's just what the data shows you. And they, by 405 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 1: the way, I want to be very clear Clay, that 406 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: their argument during that spike, it wasn't oh, it's the 407 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 1: guns or because that didn't it was COVID. You remember this. 408 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 1: And then of course it kept going and going well 409 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 1: beyond the COVID lockdowns, So they were destroys that argument, 410 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 1: as we pointed out. But I think it's worth noting 411 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 1: because some of you may hear people make that argument. 412 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: In your cities and your communities, crime was massively down 413 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,360 Speaker 1: for the first half of twenty twenty because of the lockdowns. 414 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: It wasn't until George Floyd and all of those protests 415 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: started in twenty twenty that you saw a skyrocket. In 416 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 1: other words, if you compare two nineteen and twenty twenty, 417 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: it is a skyrocket that starts in May and basically 418 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: hasn't come down since. So this was not a COVID 419 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 1: caused issue because in March and April, murders were way down, 420 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: people were out on the streets way less. This was 421 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:46,360 Speaker 1: something that skyrocketed beginning with the BLM protests, demonization of police, 422 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 1: and it's continued. So in the Daniel Perry case, you 423 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: had an individual here who is a veteran and a Texan, 424 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 1: and believe and remember, this happened in Texas. Everybody, I 425 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: think it's worth noting this isn't New York, This isn't 426 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: you know, Los Angeles. This happened in the state of Texas. 427 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 1: And there was a BLM mob on the streets in 428 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: Austin in the street, illegal blocking traffic, blocking cars, threatening people. 429 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 1: It's scary. A mob walking through the street and holding 430 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: your car effectively hostage for a period of time is 431 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: a frightening thing. And they're all there are different instances 432 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 1: where people try to drive away and then you know, 433 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 1: then the BLM riders, Oh my gosh, there, look at 434 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: this person. They're trying to murder. Everybody, don't block cars 435 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: in the middle of the street because you want to 436 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: make some stupid political point, right, it's it's illegal, you 437 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 1: shouldn't be doing it. And people are allowed to defend themselves. 438 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: The don't have to sit there and be subject to 439 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: mob justice. So so Garrett Foster, twenty eight years old, 440 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,880 Speaker 1: he was walking around with this mob carrying an AK 441 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: forty seven or something that looked like in AKA forty seven. 442 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if that was actually the oh it 443 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 1: says in AKA forty seven here in the stories, I'll 444 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: just go with what the reports are. But he's carrying 445 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: a rifle and it's very straightforward. Perry was an uber 446 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,640 Speaker 1: driver at the time, and they surrounded his car and 447 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 1: he said this guy had an AK slung around his 448 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: neck Skuy Foster, and he, according to Perry, flashed toward him, 449 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: you know, the barrel of the AK forty seven. Perry 450 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 1: drew down and shot him and killed him. Now, I 451 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,919 Speaker 1: spend a fair amount of time in the past training 452 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: with farms. I'm trying to get my skills back up. Now, Clay, 453 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: if someone draws down on you with a firearm on 454 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,120 Speaker 1: the street, you have every right if you are armed, 455 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 1: to shoot them. You don't have to wait for them 456 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: to pull the trigger. If they point a gun at you, 457 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,439 Speaker 1: you're allowed to shoot them. This is the most basic 458 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:49,120 Speaker 1: self defense principle imaginable. And the police at the time, 459 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: and there's is interesting information here about that's come out 460 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: about some of the affidavits and you know, the the 461 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 1: initial detective I believe who was there, who was one 462 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,959 Speaker 1: of the first on the scene, did not think that 463 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: this was a case of murder or self defense. Yeah, anyway, 464 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: this has escalated, Claid, I want you to tell much 465 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 1: you think is going to legally happen here. Governor Abbott 466 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 1: of Texas did get a lot of pressure initially. I 467 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 1: saw the pressure. I think they talk about talk about 468 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: this on Tucker Show Friday, and Mike Zernovich has been 469 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 1: tweeting a lot about it and getting a lot of 470 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:24,679 Speaker 1: attention for this case. But Abbott has said that he 471 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 1: will sign a pardon of no jail time, no prison time, 472 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: and restoration of rights for Daniel Perry after the conviction 473 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 1: of this murder. If the pardon board moves and processes 474 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 1: the pardon that he can't do it unilaterally. It has 475 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: to go through this board. Do you think it'll happen? 476 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 1: Do you think it is justice? What do you think? 477 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 1: I'm certainly not an expert on the Texas Parole Board 478 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: and pardon board the way that they handled this. My 479 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: understanding is that the Attorney General, who you and I 480 00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: both know in Texas, Ki Paxton. In fact, I believe 481 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: we were watching the Alabama Texas game with him down 482 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: in Austin, and we should mention as well, we appreciate 483 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 1: all of our listeners in Austin. It's another one of 484 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: the cities where we are number one in so I 485 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: know for many of you in the Austin area, this 486 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: story has particularly in all over the state of Texas 487 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: and certainly to a large degree the nation. If that 488 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:25,400 Speaker 1: parole sorry, that Pardon Board acts, then I think it's 489 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,479 Speaker 1: a no brainer for Governor Greg Abbott to come in 490 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: on top and indorse their decision. But my understanding is 491 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: that they are appointed by the governor, but they review 492 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: all of the cases and it is their decision as 493 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: to whether or not to render this render this decision right, 494 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: and if they do pardon, then the governor would follow 495 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: up and endorse that decision. And it seemed like, based 496 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 1: on what I have seen from Attorney General Paxton that 497 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: that is, in his opinion, likely to happen. Now, I 498 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 1: looked at the evidence in this case, and as you 499 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: pointed out this initial on the scene Officer, what's different 500 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 1: with the Kyle Rittenhouse case is we don't have the 501 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: same kind of objective video the Rittenhouse jurors could sit 502 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:19,120 Speaker 1: and see almost perfectly the perspective under which Kyle Rittenhouse acted. 503 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: But I did read up on this case, Buck, and 504 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,159 Speaker 1: I believe they looked at his car and basically this 505 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 1: guy was an uber driver, as you mentioned, that got 506 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: caught in the middle of a BLM protest. They were 507 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 1: able to find twenty five different hands beating on his car, 508 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 1: so he was just driving. He gets caught in this protest. 509 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 1: There's suddenly twenty five different people beating on his car, 510 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: and somebody armed with a gun pointed their gun at him. 511 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 1: I think when you consider that context, it's hard to 512 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 1: consider it could be anything other than self defense. So 513 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 1: if we were to take this because there's a stand 514 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: there is a stand your ground law in Texas, and 515 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,679 Speaker 1: if we were to take this as the vehicle is 516 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 1: actually an extension inside the vehicles, an extension of what 517 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: you would expect to have some degree of privacy, safety, 518 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: and securities you would in your own home, right. I mean, 519 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: there are people even live in their cars, obviously, but 520 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 1: the interior of that vehicle, when someone stuck in that car, 521 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,120 Speaker 1: they should have some right to expect that they can't 522 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: just be surrounded and threatened like that because all those 523 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 1: pounding fists, the next thing that he hears could be 524 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 1: the gun shot. Right, it's you know, you're under him, 525 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: dragging him out and bettering him and beating a senseless right. 526 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 1: I mean that's not uncommon either. If you were stuck 527 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 1: in your house and twenty five people or ten people 528 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: or fifteen people or whatever, we're all pounding on your 529 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: windows and one guy pointed in a K forty seven 530 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 1: at you from one of those windows, and you shot him. 531 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 1: I'll tell you this, not only would I as a 532 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: juror a quit I mean as a prosecutor, there's nothing 533 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: to even there's don't even think about it. An't going 534 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 1: to talk about That is the core of self defense. 535 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 1: And in this case, by the way, I wanted to 536 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: find the affidavit, and Marina Medvin shared this, and she, 537 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: you know, a conservative lawyer that is very active in 538 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: the conversations online about cases like this. She says, read 539 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: the affidavit from a lead detective. This is in the 540 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: affidavit from the lead detective on this Clay case, who 541 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: says the Soros DA directed him to quote remove exculpatory 542 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: information that I had intended to present to the grand 543 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: jury during my testimony. Yep, as in the fix was in. 544 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 1: This was because this guy was It was a white 545 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: guy who was shot, which also all these libs or 546 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 1: if this guy murdered a black man, he was a 547 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: white guy who was shot but at a BLM, you know, 548 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 1: part of a BLM, which is similar to the Rittenhouse 549 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 1: situation in that respect. That's right, where which a lot 550 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: of libs got that wrong too. Oh my gosh, there's 551 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 1: a racist Rittenhouse was a racist murder. No, he's defending himself. 552 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 1: By the way, Kyle Rittenhouse would have spent the rest 553 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 1: of his life in prison if they didn't have clear 554 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: video of exactly what happened there. In this case, they've 555 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: got a still shot that shows the guy raising his 556 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: ak pointing it in this mobs running the are at Perry. 557 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: What's he supposed to do at that one? Hope the 558 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: guy doesn't decide that he's going to use the rifle 559 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 1: that he's pointed at him. That's the world the Democrats 560 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 1: want everyone to live in, and that's wrong, it's immoral, 561 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: and I'm happy to see Abbott is stepping up to 562 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 1: do the right thing. Clay. Not only that, by the way, Buck, 563 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 1: it's that they choose not to prosecute basically anyone. Prosecutorial 564 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: discretion standard deserves a lot of attention. When you are 565 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: looking at evidence all the time of people committing crimes 566 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 1: and dropping it down from a felony to a misdemeanor, 567 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: and then you decide to throw the book at someone else, 568 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: it's prosecution by narrative, it's not based on the facts. 569 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 1: That's certainly what we're seeing with Trump. It's what we're 570 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 1: seeing with the January sixth defendants. It appears to be 571 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 1: to a large extent what we saw with Rittenhouse and 572 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: with here. The difference is Rittenhouse was able to get 573 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 1: a jury to buy his self defense claim because I 574 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: think his evidence was enough. This is an example of 575 00:30:55,640 --> 00:31:00,719 Speaker 1: prosecutorial decision making run amuck and politics getting involved in it. 576 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: And it's going on with these Soros DA's all over 577 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: the country, and frankly, it's downright scary, honestly, when you 578 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 1: consider that these das have so much power and they're 579 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: being totally rigged in terms of what they're choosing to pursue. 580 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: I would just say this real quick. I know we've 581 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: gone long on this, but I think it's an important discussion. 582 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: And by the way, if you have thoughts on this 583 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: case and you have expertise in self defense law in 584 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: Texas eight under two A two two A two play 585 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 1: it's infuriating. But keep in mind, if this were a 586 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 1: truly blue state, he got nailed by Soros in the 587 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 1: blue city of Austin. If it was in Califha, this 588 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: was Los Angeles, where the whole state is blue, he'd 589 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 1: be spending the rest of his life in prison, no 590 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: question about it. It's a great point. 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You can use 616 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: my name Clay to save thirty five percent off any 617 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 1: Chalk subscription for life. It's a big deal. Chalk dot com. 618 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 1: Do it today, use my name Clay. You don't know what. 619 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: You don't know right, but you could On the Sunday 620 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: Hang with Clay and Buck podcast. Appreciate all of you 621 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 1: hanging out with us. Good questions rolling in and look, 622 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 1: I don't want to Maybe we should get Ken Paxton 623 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: on the Texas Attorney General. That's probably not a bad idea, Buck, 624 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 1: to be able to explain exactly how the Texas Parole 625 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: and Probation Review Board all this stuff would work. And 626 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 1: I've heard him discussing it, but I think you guys 627 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: may well appreciate that. And Curtis and Colorado is asking 628 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 1: a question about that in particular, Curtis, what you got 629 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 1: into your monologue there for a second and I got 630 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 1: a question for a legitimate attorney. I'm not an attorney, 631 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:03,239 Speaker 1: so I was listen and you mentioned that the DA 632 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 1: had gone to the pros or, not the prosecutor, but 633 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 1: the investigator and asked him to withhold sculptory evidence. Yeah, 634 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 1: okay that Buck said that from the story, Yes, right, 635 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 1: So to me, that would be prosecutor prosecutorial misconduct. You're 636 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 1: correct by doing here. If if that is true, I 637 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 1: want to be clear. If that is true, then that 638 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 1: would be prosecutorial misconduct. That we talked about this. Sorry 639 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 1: to cut you off, but it's a smart question you're asking. Buck. 640 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 1: We talked about it with the QAnon Shaman when Tucker 641 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 1: aired the videos that his attorneys claimed that they had 642 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 1: never seen him. By the way, they have released the 643 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:47,360 Speaker 1: QAnon Shaman now from prison, and I believe he is 644 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 1: in halfway house of sort. But you have an obligation, 645 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 1: just for all of you out there who are listening, 646 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 1: the prosecutor, whether it's district attorney, whether it is a 647 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 1: federal investigator, whoever, as evidence in your case, they have 648 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 1: an obligation to turn over every bit of evidence they have, 649 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:11,279 Speaker 1: whether it is favorable or unfavorable to the prosecution. So 650 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 1: when they didn't give the q and On Shaman all 651 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:19,239 Speaker 1: of that footage, that is indefensible and actually prosecutorial misconduct 652 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 1: if you can prove they had it, they knew they 653 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 1: had it, and they chose not to turn it over. 654 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 1: And if they're getting people to change their stories, Buck, 655 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,879 Speaker 1: that would be prosecutorial misconduct as well. My guess, and 656 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 1: this is an unsatisfying thing if I'm right, but my 657 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:38,400 Speaker 1: guess is that the prosecutor here will say that didn't happen. 658 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 1: There's a misunderstanding with this detective. There's a lot of 659 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 1: narrative shaping that goes into things. He's mean, you know, 660 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 1: it's just seeking I think to clarify his story. Right, 661 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 1: there's lots of an execution I think there was misconduct 662 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,719 Speaker 1: to be very clear. Okay, whether they're smoked the fire 663 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: on this one, but I'm just trying to point out 664 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 1: that you know, you can't get a fairtra in Austin 665 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 1: under certain circumstances. It's also why your legal representation is 666 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,799 Speaker 1: so incredibly important. A lot of people out there who 667 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,959 Speaker 1: are criminal defendants get very mediocre support. It's not only 668 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: about what happens at trial, Buck, It's about making sure 669 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 1: that you have created an appealable record so that you 670 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 1: are objecting to evidence that's being introduced, so that you 671 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: are making it clear that you can appeal going forward. 672 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:29,759 Speaker 1: Because to your point, you may not be and I 673 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: think that's unfortunately true, and many of these blue cities 674 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 1: able to get a fair case. But you would hope 675 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,719 Speaker 1: at the next level up when they review your case, 676 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 1: maybe a judge there would or the next level scarily 677 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 1: to your point, and I think it's a really good one. 678 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,319 Speaker 1: If this case had happened in LA, given the fact 679 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 1: that they have Gavin Newsom as their governor, and I 680 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 1: want to talk about Gavin Newsom, we'd come back because 681 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 1: he's taking shots all over Red states. You would have 682 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 1: almost no recourse at all, you'd be in prison, maybe 683 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,480 Speaker 1: for the rest of your life.