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Speaker 1: work and make money. I don't. Well, you know one

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Speaker 1: of the things that when I came down to talk

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Speaker 1: to you guys, I talked about the consequence of consciousness.

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Speaker 1: I lose more by speaking up, more relationships, more contracts,

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Speaker 1: more money by speaking up than I do against this

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Speaker 1: on foss say somebody paying you to Somebody must be

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Speaker 1: paying you said, well, who paying me to say? Because

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Speaker 1: I'm looking for check, because it actually right. You actually

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Speaker 1: get paid not to say it. You get paid not

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Speaker 1: to step on toes. It's the people who are getting

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Speaker 1: paid are those that are quiet, because they're paid not

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Speaker 1: to speak those who are speaking up. It's actually the opposite.

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Speaker 1: I'm actually only am I not getting paid to say it,

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Speaker 1: but I'm losing money as a result of saying it.

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Speaker 1: Because when you challenge, when you push, people come out

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Speaker 1: and seek to destroy you, not just you, but your

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Speaker 1: family as well. So I just thought it was good

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Speaker 1: to have you on to be able to show that no,

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Speaker 1: this is possible. It's also important to say you also

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Speaker 1: are a member of Alpha Kappa Alpha Incorporated. That's another

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Speaker 1: thing that you hear that old sororities in the boolet

447
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Speaker 1: into this to that all of that. They don't ever

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Speaker 1: say no, no, that's not true, it's not true. No,

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Speaker 1: the ones you're talking about it and saying nothing, you're

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Speaker 1: elected official, ain't saying nothing. The person that's representing you

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Speaker 1: not saying nothing. So how do we do this? How

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Speaker 1: do we give more of you? Two? How do we

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00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:05,639
Speaker 1: how do people push a councilwoman to run for office?

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Speaker 1: How do they get the gumption to say, you know,

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Speaker 1: I want to run for my community, I want to

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Speaker 1: represent them, I want to be truth to power. What

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Speaker 1: do you tell them on taking that first step knowing

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Speaker 1: that it may take them a couple of times, and

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Speaker 1: if they have some challenges, what's the what's the advice

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Speaker 1: you can give us as we move forward? And and

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Speaker 1: that's what and that's exactly what I do. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we have to rear up our leaders. We can't let

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Speaker 1: them or just naturally happen because the system is going

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Speaker 1: to produce more of the system, more of the status school.

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Speaker 1: So what we're, in my opinion, what we have to

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Speaker 1: do is we we have to identify that next that

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Speaker 1: next generation of leaders. We have to encourage when you're

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Speaker 1: in high school, when you're in college and you like

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Speaker 1: you need to study political science, you need to study law,

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Speaker 1: and encourage And I do that in my classes. I

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Speaker 1: pull the few black students that that I have the

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Speaker 1: opportunity to teach and reach out to them and say, hey,

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Speaker 1: what are you doing? I mean, and and what what

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Speaker 1: are you playing the study? Oh? Well, I want to

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Speaker 1: be a nurse. I said, but you did you know

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Speaker 1: you can be nurse NBA city counselor that you can

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Speaker 1: be a nurse and be a county commissioner. You can

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Speaker 1: still serve in that capacity even though your profession is elsewhere.

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Speaker 1: And I've had and I had one student as a

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Speaker 1: young sister, and she actually after my American Government class,

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Speaker 1: she came to me and she was studying nurse and

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Speaker 1: then she said, I'm I'm gonna changing my degree. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to political science. I wanna I wanna lead. I

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Speaker 1: want to be a leader in my community. Um. And

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Speaker 1: so I'm hoping that that that that she sticks with that.

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Speaker 1: But again, that's so those are the things we have

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Speaker 1: to do. And we have to start engaging the youth

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Speaker 1: in in middle school, in high school and bringing them up,

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Speaker 1: having them out their protesting and standing with us when

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Speaker 1: we're fighting on these issues police and accountability and officer

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Speaker 1: of the independent miny and those types of things that

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Speaker 1: we're demanding. We need to have them out there with

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Speaker 1: us right now so that it will be an easy

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Speaker 1: transition when it times when it comes time for them

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Speaker 1: to either go to college and decide on the degree

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Speaker 1: on what they're gonna study or just when they decide

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Speaker 1: to hey, I'm a serve. What does it take? A team?

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Speaker 1: And no felon, That's that's all it takes. And so

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Speaker 1: uh when when we when we reeled them up, when

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Speaker 1: we put into them and and and give them the

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Speaker 1: lay of the land and say hey, this is how

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Speaker 1: you not sell out and and use our leaders as examples. Right,

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Speaker 1: we got people in our communities that we can say,

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Speaker 1: you see why he's sitting over there looking away, looking

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Speaker 1: and she looking at where she's looking because she sold

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Speaker 1: out her community and this is out you gotta kill

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Speaker 1: Look look at the news. I mean, this is the news.

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Speaker 1: Right you can you can archive their child and say, look,

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Speaker 1: you see this, this is how she's screwed up right

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Speaker 1: here when she sold out. I sold out her community

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Speaker 1: on that school board, right on that and uh at

512
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Speaker 1: the Oklahoma Capitol and and share that information and say

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Speaker 1: stand with your community. And that's that's where I'm going.

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Speaker 1: I'm standing with my community, even if maybe a situation

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Speaker 1: where I may not want to present agreed, but I'm

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Speaker 1: still standing with the community right because I may I know,

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Speaker 1: I have I have experience and policy, I have knowledge

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Speaker 1: and political science. But sometimes we have to live through things. Right,

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Speaker 1: So even though I knew that that was probably gonna

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Speaker 1: turn out a different way after a while, but sometimes

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Speaker 1: we have to just grow. We have to go and experience.

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Speaker 1: One of my sins is experience as a motherfucker, and

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Speaker 1: it is. And so when you experience something, that's the

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Speaker 1: greatest teacher that you will have or that you can't have.

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Speaker 1: And so just be willing to again, stay with your community,

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Speaker 1: bring your community with you, educate your community along the way.

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Speaker 1: That's what I do in my town home, Manies. I

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Speaker 1: let them know this is what's going on. When we

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Speaker 1: passed this resolution, some people were forward, some people were

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Speaker 1: against it. And I made clear, I said, I do

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Speaker 1: not agree with everything on this resolution. There are some

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Speaker 1: things on here that it's just straight bs, it's whitewashed, right,

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Speaker 1: And I said that, and and and some of our

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Speaker 1: city council were upset that I did that because they

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Speaker 1: want to keep those discussions behind the scene. And but

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Speaker 1: when we go before the community, let's stand as a

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Speaker 1: you know, I told him, now, I'm not doing that.

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Speaker 1: I said, I can't do that. I'm going to tell

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Speaker 1: them these statements here, this is what I did not

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Speaker 1: agree with. This is whitewashed bs. You know, one of

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Speaker 1: the councilors didn't want us to acknowledge Jim Crow and

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Speaker 1: how Oklahoma the first law that was pasted in Oklahoma

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Speaker 1: was Jim Crow and they wanted that out of there. No.

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Speaker 1: I told the community, no, they wanted that out of that.

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Speaker 1: That goes to show you what I'm dealing with here

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Speaker 1: at city Hall. And when we passed that ordinance, Christie

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Speaker 1: stood up spoke and put it all that out and said,

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Speaker 1: y'all don't know what she has to deal with. She

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Speaker 1: didn't want all of this, man, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: So being truthful with the community, to me, in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: that is what keeps us strong. And like you said,

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Speaker 1: I'm win out. I don't just win out to Gass.

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say that's right. I know that's right.

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Speaker 1: And it goes a long way because people are wanting

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Speaker 1: that authenticity. You know, I tell people, you don't have

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Speaker 1: to like Trump, and we know he lies and we

557
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Speaker 1: know he's a bunch of bullshit. But what I appreciated

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Speaker 1: he staying for his his base and he ride with them, period,

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Speaker 1: ride or die. They don't give a shit about what

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Speaker 1: all the rest of y'all think. He rides with his base.

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Speaker 1: And if we start getting elected officials that ride with

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Speaker 1: us no matter what, not giving a damn and knowing

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Speaker 1: how to use our allies and our accomplices and our

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Speaker 1: front line soldiers like Chris is the front line soldier,

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Speaker 1: shout out to you, as are both of y'all. Y'all

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Speaker 1: pushed the line shirts y'all had on TV. She said

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Speaker 1: it to me, but she gets something also takes it

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Speaker 1: a little bit further, you know, by getting on the

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Speaker 1: mic and said, I want you all to know they

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Speaker 1: did this. This, this is it. And that's where my

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Speaker 1: role comes in. And people want me to change and

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Speaker 1: be different. No, you need me being on the firing squad.

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Speaker 1: Somebody got a sign and vote and vote in policy,

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Speaker 1: and somebody got to be on the firing squad. That's

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Speaker 1: gonna go a little bit further, a little bit more receipts,

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Speaker 1: punch a little bit harder, and collectively we move the

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Speaker 1: ball forward and people that don't need that's right. And

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Speaker 1: I tell people, if you don't sign fine value and

579
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Speaker 1: people like me, you're really not moving for your community.

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Speaker 1: Because people don't realize I talked to a whole lot

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Speaker 1: of people behind the scene, Elective. Where do you think

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Speaker 1: I get the receipts that I got. It's coming from

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Speaker 1: folks that's telling me what's going on behind the scene,

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Speaker 1: and they need somebody to be able to say no, Democrats,

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Speaker 1: you didn't pay enough of your candidates in the state

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Speaker 1: of Florida on training, getting people prepared, not located in Candidas.

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Speaker 1: Just in the last twenty four hours, I found two

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Speaker 1: candidates on the first two people on the list that

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Speaker 1: we're putting together my firm is putting together that are

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Speaker 1: Republicans running as Democrats. Democrats haven't put nobody in that seat.

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Speaker 1: They haven't invested in anything to see. They just assumed, oh,

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Speaker 1: it's a Republican county, so it's not gonna go to anybody,

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Speaker 1: and they don't give a damn. So this is how

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00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: Joe Mansion becomes a Joe Mansion. This is bigger than

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Speaker 1: just what you see in front of you. Their strategy

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00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: that's involved. There's consultants, black consultants that are never higher pay.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing this on my own because I like to

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Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about. But they don't like bringing

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Speaker 1: in folks like me, because folks like me, it's gonna

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Speaker 1: ruffle feathers and say we need to be said, and

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Speaker 1: gonna start calling folks out with people that you think

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Speaker 1: may have always been on your side but not necessarily

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Speaker 1: on your side, and you start digging through that paperwork.

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Speaker 1: So I appreciate you telling people, hey, I'm with this

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Speaker 1: part and I'm not with this part. It's the transparency,

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Speaker 1: It's the honesty. For me, it is being able to say, hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm not on the same page, and I'm damn this

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Speaker 1: in the closet, back in the corner talking about it.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about in front of all the favorite

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Speaker 1: everybody was just show your natural ass and and I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna say, I'm a member of the our Black Party,

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Speaker 1: and I'm gonna push you Dow'm a I'm a guilt

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Speaker 1: to my heart's content to push for that. Damn the

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Speaker 1: Democrats that they they are racists, Republicans and Democrats. And yes,

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Speaker 1: I am a Democrat. I've been a Democrat in my

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Speaker 1: whole life. But I also will know and acknowledge that

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Speaker 1: they haven't done anywhere near what they need to do

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Speaker 1: what they claim to be. You know, that party for everyone. No,

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Speaker 1: you're not. No, they're not. You know that because you've

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Speaker 1: been much as Republicans maintaining status. That's right. And when

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Speaker 1: people say you're saying, I know that because I've been

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Speaker 1: when I've worked with nothing but Democrats can't. I'm telling

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Speaker 1: you what's going on behind the scenes. I don't. I'm

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Speaker 1: just none of this. That's right. Because against the end

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Speaker 1: of the day of our force. But before we get

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Speaker 1: out of here, because I know I'm pushing on time,

627
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Speaker 1: what is it specifically that you need us to do.

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Speaker 1: What can we do from a distance to help you

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Speaker 1: push the line, whether it be you don't tell us

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Speaker 1: a Black Wall Street, Greenwood, you know anything of that name.

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Speaker 1: What is it that we can do, you know, just

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Speaker 1: to assist a lot of people think they can't do

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Speaker 1: anything because you know, they don't live in that community

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Speaker 1: or live in that city. It's not actually true. Sometimes

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00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: you can bring awareness of something that will make somebody

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Speaker 1: that will shared light on something that can get somebody to,

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Speaker 1: you know, get some act right. What is it exactly

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Speaker 1: that we could help you on, whether it's my podcast

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Speaker 1: or our Black Party or how and listeners can get

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Speaker 1: involved just to support you so that you know you're

641
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Speaker 1: not by yourself. Oh absolutely, I certainly appreciate that and

642
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: thank you for this opportunity. But um, for me, in

643
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Speaker 1: my mind, what we have to get at the end

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Speaker 1: of the day. You know, we gotta have our political power,

645
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: we gotta put our electric deficials there. But we gotta

646
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: have land. We have to have landed. We're fighting for that.

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00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: We are trying to use the policies that we can

648
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: blah blah blah it. At the same time, we have

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00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: started a CDC called the Power Group, the Power Group,

650
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,239
Speaker 1: and so what we would need, uh, what I need

651
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Speaker 1: is for people from all over this country to to

652
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: commit to giving if it's twenty dollars a month, right,

653
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: if it's twenty whatever it is, to give to the

654
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Speaker 1: Power Group. And I'm just gonna push this up. And

655
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Speaker 1: this is a car. You can go, uh and go

656
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: on the Black Wall Street Chamber of Commerce website and

657
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: google this. This is our economic development on for our community.

658
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: We are focused on buying back our own land. Those

659
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: opportunities that are there. We want to buy our land back, um.

660
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: And the only way we can do that is with resources.

661
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: It's with resources, is it is it in the area

662
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: where there was or is it surrounding that. We're buying

663
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: land throughout throughout North Telfa. But the focus, the primary

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Speaker 1: goal is Greenwood. We would we want to start there

665
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: and grow out, but we have to get our land

666
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: back because if you don't own the land, you don't

667
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: own anything. You can't build anything if you don't own

668
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: the land. And and white folks know that, right, that's

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Speaker 1: why they come in and gentrifying and bad up. But

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00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: we they want to keep us in a in a

671
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: position of consumers, right, just playing leases, paying rent, you know,

672
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: and and that's how they get rich and and and

673
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: and build generational wealth for their families. We need to

674
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: have that mindset. That's the spirit of Greenwood. Green They owned, right,

675
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: they owned their properties, and that's why we're so difficult.

676
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: One of the things when they did, when they committed

677
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: the master they went in and they tried to steal

678
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: and re zone so that we couldn't rebuild because they

679
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: know the power is in land. This country, right when

680
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: it was first founded, you had to be white and

681
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,959
Speaker 1: you have mail and landowner in order to vote. Right.

682
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: That's the history of this country. That is the importance

683
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: and significant of land. And so what we're doing is

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Speaker 1: I would like to encourage people to be a part

685
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: of the power group. Again, if it's ten, if it's

686
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: just fifteen dollars a month, giving consistently so that we

687
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: can build up our nest egg, so that we can

688
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: start buying back our land and owning in our own communities.

689
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: And what's the plan for that? Like once the land

690
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: is avoulved, will it be what the original was? You know,

691
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: we have our own community centers, hospitals, clinics. I think

692
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: that's something we really need. We don't do enough clinics. Um,

693
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: you know, with healthcare and and things like that, grocery stores, food,

694
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: so have they already decided what direction they want to

695
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 1: go in our all of those things, you can say,

696
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: all of those things are needed, and so when we

697
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Speaker 1: own the land, we can develop what we want to

698
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 1: on them. But we got to own the land, right,

699
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: first things first. But you are exactly right, though, we

700
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 1: we need more grocery stores. We need uh, we don't

701
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: even have any emergency minor emergencies, right if you cut

702
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: your hand, or your baby step on the nail or whatever,

703
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 1: we gotta go to seventy one, right, And we were

704
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 1: far north, um, and so to your point what you

705
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 1: just said, we need all of those things. But until

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00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: we own the land, we're gonna be able to build

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00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: and develop anything. And so we need all of those things.

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00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:49,720
Speaker 1: You know, you know enough about to us so certainly

709
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: Oklahoma and the black communities in the state to know

710
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: that we have been disinvested, divested for decades. And so now, uh,

711
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: in my mind, we gotta do it for ourselves. I'm

712
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 1: sick of it. We're sitting by waiting waiting for the

713
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: philanthropic community or even the government to do it for

714
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 1: us when we can pull our resources as limited as

715
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: they are, you know, one or two people. Yeah, we're limited.

716
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: But if we came together as a community and not

717
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 1: just the community here in Tulsa, uh, a United States

718
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: community and support different organizations in different communities. Then when

719
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 1: Bennett College dot quote was saying everyzone close, I went

720
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: to Jackson State, but I support hbc U S I

721
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: wrote a check right. We gotta have that mindset. When

722
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: our blind party came aboard, immediately me and Christie was

723
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: on the phone together. We got on our phones and

724
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: were Now we are consistent givers every month, every month

725
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: and so that's the mindset we have to have to

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00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: build uh in our local communities, but also our national

727
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 1: our national networks, our national communities, and so that's what

728
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: we need. Well, this was certainly a lot of information,

729
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: and I want to extend to you some of my

730
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: podcast space with you giving updates on Greenwood and on

731
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: the Power Group, and I will connect you with my

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00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 1: producer Marcy and it can be something it could be

733
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: five minutes and twenty whatever of just giving an update

734
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 1: of just you talking. We're providing commentary, and we can

735
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: drop that through my podcast stream. I'm trying to this

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00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: season allowed voices from the local level, you know, to

737
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: have access, to be able to put information out uninterrupted,

738
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: not in the interviews set up so that people can

739
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 1: start tapping in. So I hope you do, um, take

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00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: me up on that offer as much as little as

741
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: you want, and we drop it and we just put

742
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: it out there and we just try to keep on building.

743
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 1: And so I would love to do that centered on

744
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: Greenwood because so much attention was talked about it this year,

745
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: and you know, how we do we go on to

746
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: the next thing. So if we could get a Greenwood

747
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 1: update Bibe weekly once a month, whatever works for you,

748
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: right on your phone. You can record it, you know,

749
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: right on your voice ma'm and send it over to us.

750
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: I'll be more than happy to put that on my

751
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 1: podcast if that's something, just to keep that update going

752
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,280
Speaker 1: and people get a chance to know you and follow

753
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: what you're doing, because a lot of times that's just

754
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: not accomplished, you know, on one thirty minute interview. So

755
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: please consider that for you. So yeah, you know, we

756
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: got just like I mean, yes, that's absolutely that is

757
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: absolutely a need and and I certainly appreciate you for

758
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: extending that. You do a girl. Absolutely just the state

759
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: of the state on Greenwood Talk. This is what you

760
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,959
Speaker 1: because I know a lot of the other acts they're

761
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: not gonna do it. They just move on and go

762
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: to the other thing. You never continue, you know, on

763
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 1: with the message. So will is send that to you

764
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 1: and you and Marston can connect, you know on technology wise,

765
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 1: you know how we want to do that. But whenever

766
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: you have we can always get it out the next day.

767
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: You can just give us a state of the union

768
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: for Greenwood. So guys, make sure you listen to that upcoming.

769
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: I got the councilwoman on record saying she's gonna do it,

770
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: So she gotta do it because I asked some so

771
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: but I know she'll do it because she's always about

772
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: that life. Council woman, thank you so much for coming by.

773
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: I would love to have you come back, especially as

774
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,479
Speaker 1: you start dropping that information. We'll do this again because

775
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: I know there'll be some questions, you know that we

776
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 1: can go deeper into, uh you know about several several things.

777
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: I do want to talk to you about police retality,

778
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 1: but I know I'm running on time today, So let's

779
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: just start building this relationship with the listeners as they

780
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: get to know you and they have questions and we

781
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: can continue, uh you know, continue to stop. Thank you,

782
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, and I want my shirt push

783
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 1: the line as much as I can. Yes, yes, yes,

784
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: push the line of politics until something happens. You was

785
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 1: it on sixty minutes that you were on that which

786
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: one was about? I was that was a CNN I

787
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:29,439
Speaker 1: think when you saw me. Okay, yeah, that's right. Push

788
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: the line shirts made it seeing in So yeah, that's

789
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: what's happening. But thank you so much. Since thank you

790
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: for being a writer and just a supporter of me

791
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,760
Speaker 1: and working with me. An ally and accomplice and allowing

792
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: me to work with you because it has truly been

793
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: a blessing, and you give me hope that one day

794
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: we will get the Christ was talking a couple of

795
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: weeks ago, we need to bring you back, We need

796
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: to bring you back. I know y'all was gonna bring

797
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: me back to June tenth week, but that was the

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00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 1: day before my daughter's birthday, and I talked. You know,

799
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: I always tell y'all, I said, y'all, sure, y'all want

800
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: me to come that because you know, I tell people

801
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 1: we need to have a revolution on June. We need exactly.

802
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: They always say they need until I show up. But

803
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: I know you really really do need every year barbecues,

804
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 1: but yeah, we need to. We need to have a

805
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: segment when we're coming in there. We're doing some community buildings,

806
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: some community education and raising awareness. So yeah, we gotta

807
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: have that. And you can't nobody doing better than you.

808
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: And I appreciate you saying that. Thank you so much.

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00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: I got me a couple of souldiers. Well, guys, you

810
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:35,919
Speaker 1: have been listening to counsel woman from the Great State

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00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: of Oklahoma, Tulsa District One Vanessa Hall Harper. Uh, make

812
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: sure you follow her. Uh what is your personal you

813
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: want to give people your Twitter or your Facebook? Vanessa

814
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:52,280
Speaker 1: vote the number four and Vanessa D one is my Facebook, alright,

815
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 1: follow her so you can see how get busy. Go

816
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: look at the clips of her checking folks in city

817
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: House and you can know she bring the same energy

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00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: right to city Hall. And hear more from her on

819
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: updates on the state of the state of Greenwood, Tulsa.

820
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: So we can keep this conversation going so we can

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Speaker 1: get stronger in two thousand twenty two. As you know,

822
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 1: it's all about you in two thousand twenty two, and

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Speaker 1: we definitely want to make sure that in two thousand

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Speaker 1: twenty four we are prepared. And we do that now

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Speaker 1: by on the ground using as much media resource as

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Speaker 1: we possibly can. So be checking out her upcoming segments

827
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Speaker 1: as she dropped some as she will you know, important information,

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Speaker 1: so you can get a chance to really know this

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Speaker 1: woman that I am proud of. Her name is counsel

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Speaker 1: Woman Again, Vanessa Haul Harper, Thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: joining us until next time piece. If you like what

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