Speaker 1: I'm thinking, you know, like what's going on? Like this
Speaker 1: is insane? Like where are my kids?
Speaker 2: On September eighth, twenty fourteen, Troy Turner came home to
Speaker 2: every parent's nightmare.
Speaker 1: I notice Jacob is not in his crib, so I
Speaker 1: look in and Sarah's she's not there. So I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: they're not there.
Speaker 2: It's been nine years since Troy has set eyes on
Speaker 2: three year old Sarah and two year old Jacob. The
Speaker 2: State of Maryland has charged their mother, Catherine Hoggle, with
Speaker 2: their murders.
Speaker 3: She was in a very small room. She was in
Speaker 3: a plastic smock because the police had taken her clothing.
Speaker 3: It was obvious to me that there were profound mental
Speaker 3: health issues.
Speaker 2: But despite signs that Catherine Hoggle took her tiny children
Speaker 2: one by one into the night, never to come home again,
Speaker 2: she has yet to stand trial.
Speaker 1: Believe that part of this is a revenged thing, and
Speaker 1: part of it is just her not wanting the responsibility
Speaker 1: of being a mother at that point.
Speaker 2: Catherine Hoggele has not faced the state's evidence against her
Speaker 2: because soon after her children went missing, she was declared
Speaker 2: incompetent to stand trial.
Speaker 3: Incompetence means that they can't make the various decisions necessary
Speaker 3: to assist in their defense, or that they understand.
Speaker 1: What's going on in court.
Speaker 3: We don't try those people for any crime because they
Speaker 3: can't defend themselves.
Speaker 2: Today, Catherine Hoggle calls Clifton T. Perkins, a psychiatric hospital
Speaker 2: in Maryland home doctors says she's unable to assist with
Speaker 2: her defense, but questions persist about exactly what Catherine's capable
Speaker 2: of and what accountability might look like.
Speaker 1: We have a blueprint to get away with murder in
Speaker 1: the state of Maryland at this point.
Speaker 2: In Maryland, if the defendant is found incompetent and can't
Speaker 2: be restored to competency, their felony charges are dismissed after
Speaker 2: five years. So, as the clock counts down, Catherine's charges
Speaker 2: on the verge of being dismissed. What does justice look
Speaker 2: like in this case?
Speaker 1: We come from this very puritan kind of heritage in
Speaker 1: our culture, and we're very punitive.
Speaker 2: It very quickly became she's got mental illness. She probably
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Speaker 1: The system's broken. I said, something's wrong here. You know,
Speaker 1: whenever a one is allowed to kill my two kids,