WEBVTT - Introducing: Unrestorable

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking, you know, like what's going on? Like this

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<v Speaker 1>is insane? Like where are my kids?

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<v Speaker 2>On September eighth, twenty fourteen, Troy Turner came home to

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<v Speaker 2>every parent's nightmare.

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<v Speaker 1>I notice Jacob is not in his crib, so I

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<v Speaker 1>look in and Sarah's she's not there. So I'm like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>they're not there.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been nine years since Troy has set eyes on

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<v Speaker 2>three year old Sarah and two year old Jacob. The

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<v Speaker 2>State of Maryland has charged their mother, Catherine Hoggle, with

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<v Speaker 2>their murders.

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<v Speaker 3>She was in a very small room. She was in

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<v Speaker 3>a plastic smock because the police had taken her clothing.

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<v Speaker 3>It was obvious to me that there were profound mental

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<v Speaker 3>health issues.

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<v Speaker 2>But despite signs that Catherine Hoggle took her tiny children

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<v Speaker 2>one by one into the night, never to come home again,

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<v Speaker 2>she has yet to stand trial.

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<v Speaker 1>Believe that part of this is a revenged thing, and

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<v Speaker 1>part of it is just her not wanting the responsibility

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<v Speaker 1>of being a mother at that point.

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<v Speaker 2>Catherine Hoggele has not faced the state's evidence against her

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<v Speaker 2>because soon after her children went missing, she was declared

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<v Speaker 2>incompetent to stand trial.

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<v Speaker 3>Incompetence means that they can't make the various decisions necessary

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<v Speaker 3>to assist in their defense, or that they understand.

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<v Speaker 1>What's going on in court.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't try those people for any crime because they

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<v Speaker 3>can't defend themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>Today, Catherine Hoggle calls Clifton T. Perkins, a psychiatric hospital

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<v Speaker 2>in Maryland home doctors says she's unable to assist with

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<v Speaker 2>her defense, but questions persist about exactly what Catherine's capable

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<v Speaker 2>of and what accountability might look like.

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<v Speaker 1>We have a blueprint to get away with murder in

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<v Speaker 1>the state of Maryland at this point.

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<v Speaker 2>In Maryland, if the defendant is found incompetent and can't

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<v Speaker 2>be restored to competency, their felony charges are dismissed after

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<v Speaker 2>five years. So, as the clock counts down, Catherine's charges

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<v Speaker 2>on the verge of being dismissed. What does justice look

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<v Speaker 2>like in this case?

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<v Speaker 1>We come from this very puritan kind of heritage in

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<v Speaker 1>our culture, and we're very punitive.

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<v Speaker 2>It very quickly became she's got mental illness. She probably

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<v Speaker 2>halarmed them. Listen to Unrestorables starting October fourth on the

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<v Speaker 2>iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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<v Speaker 1>The system's broken. I said, something's wrong here. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>whenever a one is allowed to kill my two kids,