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Speaker 1: I'm thinking, you know, like what's going on? Like this

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Speaker 1: is insane? Like where are my kids?

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Speaker 2: On September eighth, twenty fourteen, Troy Turner came home to

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Speaker 2: every parent's nightmare.

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Speaker 1: I notice Jacob is not in his crib, so I

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Speaker 1: look in and Sarah's she's not there. So I'm like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: they're not there.

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Speaker 2: It's been nine years since Troy has set eyes on

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Speaker 2: three year old Sarah and two year old Jacob. The

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Speaker 2: State of Maryland has charged their mother, Catherine Hoggle, with

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Speaker 2: their murders.

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Speaker 3: She was in a very small room. She was in

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Speaker 3: a plastic smock because the police had taken her clothing.

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Speaker 3: It was obvious to me that there were profound mental

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Speaker 3: health issues.

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Speaker 2: But despite signs that Catherine Hoggle took her tiny children

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Speaker 2: one by one into the night, never to come home again,

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Speaker 2: she has yet to stand trial.

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Speaker 1: Believe that part of this is a revenged thing, and

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Speaker 1: part of it is just her not wanting the responsibility

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Speaker 1: of being a mother at that point.

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Speaker 2: Catherine Hoggele has not faced the state's evidence against her

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Speaker 2: because soon after her children went missing, she was declared

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Speaker 2: incompetent to stand trial.

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Speaker 3: Incompetence means that they can't make the various decisions necessary

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Speaker 3: to assist in their defense, or that they understand.

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Speaker 1: What's going on in court.

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Speaker 3: We don't try those people for any crime because they

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Speaker 3: can't defend themselves.

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Speaker 2: Today, Catherine Hoggle calls Clifton T. Perkins, a psychiatric hospital

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Speaker 2: in Maryland home doctors says she's unable to assist with

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Speaker 2: her defense, but questions persist about exactly what Catherine's capable

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Speaker 2: of and what accountability might look like.

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Speaker 1: We have a blueprint to get away with murder in

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Speaker 1: the state of Maryland at this point.

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Speaker 2: In Maryland, if the defendant is found incompetent and can't

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Speaker 2: be restored to competency, their felony charges are dismissed after

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Speaker 2: five years. So, as the clock counts down, Catherine's charges

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Speaker 2: on the verge of being dismissed. What does justice look

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Speaker 2: like in this case?

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Speaker 1: We come from this very puritan kind of heritage in

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Speaker 1: our culture, and we're very punitive.

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Speaker 2: It very quickly became she's got mental illness. She probably

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Speaker 2: halarmed them. Listen to Unrestorables starting October fourth on the

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Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 1: The system's broken. I said, something's wrong here. You know,

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Speaker 1: whenever a one is allowed to kill my two kids,