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Speaker 2: What is up?

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Speaker 1: Everybody? Welcome to the Action Network Podcast.

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Speaker 3: I'm your host, Chris Raybond, and today I am joined

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Speaker 3: once again by the odds maker Sean Kerner, and we're

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Speaker 3: gonna discuss how to bet the NFL pre season with

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Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame Game getting underway Thursday, July thirty. First,

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Speaker 3: it's gonna kick off some real live football for us

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Speaker 3: to finally bet on.

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Speaker 1: That means, as you're listening, we've got an NFL football Sean,

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Speaker 1: what's going on?

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Speaker 2: What's up?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I mean I love the preseason. I was so excited.

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Speaker 4: I mean we almost record a whole pod before this.

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Speaker 4: You and I talked about this Hall of Fame game,

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Speaker 4: But yeah, I love preseason. It's one of my favorite

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Speaker 4: times a year, and I love betting it. So yeah,

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Speaker 4: can't wait to dive in on. Like our approach to it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and full disclosure for everybody listening, Like, we just

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Speaker 3: realized that we were on the exact same bet. Both

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Speaker 3: wrote it up independently, did not know until we got.

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Speaker 1: On the pod.

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Speaker 3: So if you see if you saw two bets getting

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Speaker 3: tracked at roughly the same time that was not coordinated.

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Speaker 1: We just both realized that we were on the same thing.

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Speaker 3: So we will talk about how we got there and

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Speaker 3: just more general evergreen tips so that you guys listening

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Speaker 3: out there can kind of learn how to fish. Though

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Speaker 3: to speak, in terms of betting the NFL preseason, we

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Speaker 3: do it a fair amount, especially Sean. I know, Sean,

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Speaker 3: You've had like thirty bets a suit for preseason, so

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Speaker 3: excited to jump in and let's start at the top.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's when I say NFL preseason, I think

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Speaker 3: that kind of comes with a reputation for being something

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Speaker 3: that only degenerate betters enjoyed. Do you think that's kind

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Speaker 3: of still the case even with the kind of rise

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Speaker 3: of sports betting, and you know, do you think there

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Speaker 3: are significant edges to betting the preseason or is it

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Speaker 3: more of a crap shoot as I still see, you know,

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Speaker 3: I see a lot of people still saying that all

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Speaker 3: around the internet. You know, it's a crap shoot. But

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Speaker 3: what do you think about that, Sean, Yeah, it's kind

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Speaker 3: of a mixed bag of all of it. Of course,

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Speaker 3: it's for degenerates like myself. I mean, we've been sitting

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Speaker 3: here for months just waiting for the season to start.

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Speaker 3: And granted, you know, we still have a month until

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Speaker 3: the regular season starts, but we have NFL players playing

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Speaker 3: football tomorrow and you could bet on it. So if

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Speaker 4: I don't know what to tell you now it is

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Speaker 4: kind of a crap shoot because again, like there's all

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Speaker 4: these different rotations, we don't know what the coaches are doing.

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Speaker 4: They don't a lot of them don't take it seriously.

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Speaker 4: So there's that aspect. But I've found, you know, over

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Speaker 4: But over the last four seasons, four preseasons, I've been

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Speaker 4: So there's clearly an edge there, and I think I'll

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, I'll kind of run through a

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Speaker 3: So definitely want to know your quarterbacks and generally your

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Speaker 3: You know, we like to joke a lot about fullbacks

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Speaker 3: you know, for the Hall of Fame game Chargers lines

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Speaker 4: I know, i'd say that, you know, like you just said,

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Speaker 4: it's very important to listen to what the coaches say,

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Speaker 4: So I'm you know, I'm projecting the rotations the players themselves,

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Speaker 4: So I think it's important to kind of just you know,

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Speaker 4: Guys that we make fun of and we wouldn't bet

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Speaker 4: the end of the day, it just comes down to

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Speaker 3: But I think ultimately we're kind of looking for, Okay,

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Speaker 3: you just see like them defer to veterans in those

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Speaker 1: So you don't want to rely on that.

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Speaker 3: You don't want to rely on your standard you know,

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Speaker 3: ESPN or national depth chart. Like there's a lot of

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Speaker 4: And you know, scrambling is the highest EPA play. Usually

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Speaker 3: from there. So everyone's gonna have had at least one

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Speaker 3: or two good days. If they haven't, they'll probably play

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Speaker 3: more like I remember remember Quinton Johnston was playing like

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Speaker 3: the fourth quarter and we went to a Chargers game

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Speaker 3: at a so far and it's like, oh man, this

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Speaker 3: is not gonna be good. This is not gonna be

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Speaker 3: good for him. Uh So yeah, that things like that.

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Speaker 3: A lot of times you just want to kind of

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Speaker 3: fade what the obvious reaction would be because there's just

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Speaker 3: not much to go off of information wise in the

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Speaker 3: in the preseason. But we're kind of getting to what

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Speaker 3: sources we're looking to. But I do want to remind

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Speaker 3: All right, Sean, where are you looking for this information,

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Speaker 3: because we talked about about what kind of information we're

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Speaker 3: looking for, where are you getting it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I think that you know, something like the

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Speaker 4: athletic is great at reading you know, beat reporter, beat reporters,

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Speaker 4: you know, training camp notes, coaches thoughts for the upcoming game.

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Speaker 4: I get a lot of you know, news from there

476
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Speaker 4: days out from the games. But I and PFF has

477
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Speaker 4: a ton of great preseason data that I leverage for

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Speaker 4: my projections. But I think Twitter or x is still

479
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Speaker 4: the best place to get it, especially you know, leading

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Speaker 4: up to kickoff. I think it's very important, even just

481
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Speaker 4: like a couple hours before kickoff, you get some crazy

482
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Speaker 4: ass news for these preseason games because again, they don't

483
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Speaker 4: matter a lot of times, they're just winging it. So

484
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Speaker 4: I think like the best example of this was that

485
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Speaker 4: game in Canada between the Packers and Raiders. I saw

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Speaker 4: some buzz on Twitter. I was watching videos of the

487
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Speaker 4: players warming up and whatnot. I think it was the

488
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Speaker 4: only game that night, so you know, I had nothing

489
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Speaker 4: better to do. I was watching pregame videos and they found

490
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Speaker 4: like a hole in the end zone. It was like

491
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Speaker 4: a pothole. So they're like, okay, we might have to

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Speaker 4: just cancel the game. If we don't cancel it, what

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Speaker 4: do we do? And I saw they were considering shortening

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Speaker 4: the field to be like an eighty yard field with

495
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Speaker 4: like cones out there. I said, oh, I got I

496
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Speaker 4: gotta hammer the over because worst case scenario, the game

497
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Speaker 4: gets canceled, I get my money back. Best case scenario,

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Speaker 4: we now have an eighty yard field. Holy shit, Like,

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Speaker 4: just do the math on that. The over's gonna cash.

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Speaker 4: So I took the over, and then more and more

501
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Speaker 4: people got news of this and that the total went

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Speaker 4: up five or six.

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Speaker 2: Points and ended up clearing.

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Speaker 4: They ended up playing on an eighty yard field and

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Speaker 4: it ended up clearing the number I got, but I

506
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Speaker 4: think it finished under the closing number. So it was

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Speaker 4: one of those times we had to get the news

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Speaker 4: fast and react fast.

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Speaker 2: So that was Twitter. I owe it all to that.

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Speaker 4: But there's other situations where you know, kickering could be

511
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Speaker 4: hurt pregame and they decide they don't even have a kicker,

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Speaker 4: so they're just gonna go for two or go for

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Speaker 4: it every time.

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Speaker 1: Actually that was just a Giants all regular season last year.

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Speaker 3: I feel like every time and the year before that, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but that happens all the time in preseason, like

517
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Speaker 4: just weird shit. And again, the teams don't really care,

518
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Speaker 4: so they you know, they don't have a solution. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: that eighty yard field was a great example of just

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Speaker 4: being on top of news before everybody else can get

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Speaker 4: to it.

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Speaker 2: But those are like the three main sources that I

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Speaker 2: use for preseason.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I should I think we should clarify that

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Speaker 3: when we say it doesn't matter, we mean it doesn't

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Speaker 3: matter to the coaches in the sense that like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: exactly like win loot, But there are a select group

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Speaker 3: of players that it matters immensely for guys on the

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Speaker 3: roster bubble that essentially are going to be made or

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Speaker 3: broken by special teams and what so, going back to

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Speaker 3: kind of player props, when you have a let's say

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Speaker 3: the last running back spot, the last wide receiver spot

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Speaker 3: or two tight end those skill position spots, uh, and

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Speaker 3: they're they're going to be special team spots, right, So

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Speaker 3: what you tend to see in the preseason is that

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Speaker 3: those guys will actually get extended looks on offense because

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Speaker 3: you know, there's only so many special team snaps and

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Speaker 3: they kind of know that that's what they're looking for anyway.

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Speaker 3: But you got to see if okay, well, if they're

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Speaker 3: active on game day and they do need to step

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Speaker 3: up as that fourth or fifth receiver or third running back,

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Speaker 3: that they can contribute on offense as well. So that's

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Speaker 3: another thing I think to kind of look out for it.

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Speaker 3: And those are the players who it matters for. And

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Speaker 3: that's why when you say when we say like Sean

546
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Speaker 3: McVay is just spending the afternoon in the booth and

547
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Speaker 3: not actually coaching, it's because he's delegating to one of

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Speaker 3: his position coaches that cares a lot more about these

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Speaker 3: few these special teams got on a roster bubble, and

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Speaker 3: so if you can kind of identify those situations, it's

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Speaker 3: another edge in terms of a player props. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think the athletic I think just because it's a

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Speaker 3: subscription based model, I think it helps a lot. Because

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Speaker 3: I saw something with to to use an example from

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Speaker 3: this year's Hall of Fame game. Uh, you know I

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Speaker 3: saw that Taylor Heinike, the Chargers second string quarterback, he

557
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Speaker 3: was gonna sit as well or be the emergency quarterback.

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Speaker 3: I saw that, you know, a few days out and

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Speaker 3: I saw write ups of the Hall of Fame game,

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Speaker 3: you know, betting advice write ups of the whole Fame

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Speaker 3: game that were essentially saying like, oh yeah, well the

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Speaker 3: Chargers have Taylor Heineke, so they have a better quarterback rotation.

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Speaker 1: And it's like, you know, so there.

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Speaker 3: There can be auto misinformation out there. Things move quick,

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Speaker 3: but a lot especially in the preseason. You know, we're

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Speaker 3: we're kind of one of the advantages of you know,

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Speaker 3: people like Sean and I is not many people are

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Speaker 3: you know, actually get to do this, uh and spend

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Speaker 3: the amount of time finds that we do. So like

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Speaker 3: we're in this bubble where it's like, oh yeah, obviously

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Speaker 3: Tara Heineke's out, but a lot of people you know

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Speaker 3: kind of do this as a hobby or like on

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Speaker 3: the side, and it's there.

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Speaker 2: There.

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Speaker 3: There can be a lot of misinformation out there, especially

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Speaker 3: now on the Internet with you know, just search changing

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Speaker 3: and whatnot, so be sure to always kind of, you know.

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Speaker 1: Use sources that you can trust.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: I think that's.

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Speaker 3: Why, you know, like you said X, you know for

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Speaker 3: that that up to date information is important as well.

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Speaker 3: And then I think the I love the Action app

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Speaker 3: because I can see all the different preseason odds and

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Speaker 3: lines and line movement at my fingertips, which you know,

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Speaker 3: in the regular season, I think, you know, there there's

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Speaker 3: a week between games and it's there. It's you know,

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00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 3: you can kind of get a sense of things if

589
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,479
Speaker 3: you're really paying attention. But in the preseason, things move

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Speaker 3: so quick. There's games like four days a week that

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00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 3: it's really valuable to just be able to see, you know,

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Speaker 3: all the different lines and games and how it's moving

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Speaker 3: and like, uh, you know, up to the up to

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Speaker 3: the minute. So the action app in preseason I think

595
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 3: is even more valuable for me and and bet Labs

596
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Speaker 3: because again, I think there are preseason trends that tend

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Speaker 3: to kind of go overlooked and thus you know, can

598
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Speaker 3: be exploited because the books don't really adjust for them

599
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Speaker 3: as much because it's just more casual or it's just

600
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Speaker 3: not as wide we bet. So those are some things

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Speaker 3: in addition to the pffs that I look out that

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Speaker 3: I use, and yeah, it's I think, you know, if

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Speaker 3: you're looking to really kind of take it to the

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00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 3: next level in the preseason, you gotta kind of get

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Speaker 3: some data together because again, there are these kind of

606
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Speaker 3: trends and things like it's every week is almost its

607
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Speaker 3: individual kind of sample, and but you can kind of

608
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Speaker 3: glean a lot and there's just not many great sources

609
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Speaker 3: of preseason data out there, so you know, being able

610
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Speaker 3: to kind of if you're really trying to create your

611
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Speaker 3: own projections or kind of queak ours or tweet schrons,

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Speaker 3: I should say, I think that's that's kind of you

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Speaker 3: got to make sure to kind of find some data

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Speaker 3: for the preseason and and look at each week and

615
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Speaker 3: the trends, because again, scoring tends to go up, you know,

616
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Speaker 3: but it's not the same as like the averages per

617
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Speaker 3: play things like that aren't the same as as the

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Speaker 3: regular seasons generally lower because you have lower skill levels.

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Speaker 3: So a lot of kind of nuanced things going on

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Speaker 3: with the preseason. But there's also I think one of

621
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Speaker 3: the fun parts of preseason tron that we talk about

622
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Speaker 3: when we do our fantasy flex pods is that you

623
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Speaker 3: learn so much like you have we have our priors,

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Speaker 3: you know, in terms of projecting the regular season, and

625
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Speaker 3: and we start to see just these rapid shifts in

626
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:06,239
Speaker 3: information and in you know, outlooks for different players. So

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Speaker 3: with that being said, what from a bigger picture perspective,

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Speaker 3: in the twenty twenty five preseason, what are you looking

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Speaker 3: out for?

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Speaker 2: I mean, really just every game.

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Speaker 4: I feel like every game there's gonna be a fascinating storyline.

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Speaker 4: But big picture, I would say, you know, someone like

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Speaker 4: Jackson Dart is someone I've been having trouble projecting how

634
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 4: many games will play this year. I think ideally they

635
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Speaker 4: want him to sit behind Russell Wilson as long as

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Speaker 4: possible and learn because he's gonna be a very raw passer.

637
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Speaker 4: But if he shows out in preseason, you know, I'm

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Speaker 4: gonna ramp up when I think Jackson Dart will start

639
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Speaker 4: making starts, so that that's gonna be a player I'm

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Speaker 4: gonna be paying close attention to. I think the Browns

641
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 4: quarterback battle is fascinating. You have four different guys capable

642
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Speaker 4: of winning the week one starting job, so that's gonna

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Speaker 4: be fun to watch. And just in general, I always

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Speaker 4: love watching rookies. So you know, Ashton genty Amaron Hampton

645
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Speaker 4: tomorrow night looks like he's gonna play a driver to

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Speaker 4: triviaon Henderson. Travis Hunter getting possibly to see him play

647
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Speaker 4: you know, wide receiver, end cornerback. Next week, and you

648
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Speaker 4: know tight ends like Colson Loveland, Tyler Warrenant's just the

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Speaker 4: first time we're gonna see in game actions.

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Speaker 2: So it's always fun to watch these games.

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Speaker 4: And we're gonna see some guys that we're not even

652
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Speaker 4: considering that ball out in preseason. So it's I think

653
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Speaker 4: people overlook how important preseason is. Obviously, we don't want

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Speaker 4: to overreact to everything, but there's been numerous cases the

655
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Speaker 4: past several years where I became higher or lower on

656
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 4: a guy due to preseason and it worked out for me.

657
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 4: So that's, you know, one of my favorite things in

658
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 4: the preseason. It gives us some information on you know,

659
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 4: who to look out for this upcoming season.

660
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:57,239
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so many.

661
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 3: And we see Evan Ingram only playing third down in

662
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 3: red zone because like Nate Adkins is getting the first

663
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 3: team snaps, like you just you just gotta know.

664
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: You gotta know too late.

665
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 3: But I will say that I think it's been a

666
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 3: long time since anybody but SIRA has wanted to you know,

667
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 3: extra time with Russell Wilson. I don't think the Giants

668
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 3: want Russell Wilson to be playing at all.

669
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: I mean, like, have you seen this guy play over

670
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: the last Like for you, it's not good, not good,

671
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: it's not good. I mean, I mean, but they're desperate.

672
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: They did.

673
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 3: They do have Jameis Winston on the roster, so I

674
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 3: get it. But I think I think dark plays a

675
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 3: lot more than people think that. That's that's just my

676
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 3: my take on it. But I'm I'm yeah, I'm looking

677
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 3: at that Indie Annapolis quarterback battle because I think it's

678
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 3: fairly intriguing because you have Daniel Jones, who's terrible. You

679
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 3: have Anthony Richardson who's terrible but good in fantasy and

680
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 3: could be not terrible if he just ever got it together.

681
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 3: And then you also have Riley Leonard who might just

682
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 3: not be much worse than those two guys.

683
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: So I think that's that's just.

684
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 3: Really intriguing for me and in Cleveland just kind of

685
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 3: seeing how that all sorts itself out. You know, I

686
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 3: thought just this whole draft process was fascinating with the

687
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 3: slide of shad Or Sanders and then you know, all

688
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 3: the all the all season shenanigans and you took another

689
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 3: quarterback ahead of them, but you also got you.

690
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: Know, Flacco is still there.

691
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 3: I mean, like who would have thought in twenty twenty five,

692
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 3: in the same division, we got a Joe Flacco competing

693
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 3: for a starting job.

694
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,879
Speaker 1: I think, what is he a favorite or something like that.

695
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 1: Like it's so it's pretty interesting.

696
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 3: You got all the retreads, like you got Flacco, you

697
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 3: got Picket. So I mean to me, it's just the

698
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 3: factory of sadness continues in Cleveland, but it's it's a

699
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 3: fascinating car crash to to kind of witness. Yeah, I

700
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 3: am looking at that Niners team, though I think the

701
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 3: Niners are that people might be sleeping on because there's

702
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 3: just so much change. But you still got the key ingredients,

703
00:34:56,040 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 3: which is Kyle Shanahan a quarterback that he trusts, and

704
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,959
Speaker 3: you know, a couple of the league guys on both

705
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 3: sides of the ball. So if this draft class, which

706
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 3: I get it's a large unknown, we don't know.

707
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: How it's gonna be, but there's a lot of them.

708
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 3: It's not like that year where they drafted like a

709
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 3: kicker in the third round and then I don't think

710
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 3: they had more than like a few more picks the

711
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 3: rest of the draft. Like this, this could be a

712
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 3: transformational draft class for them. So I'm really looking at

713
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 3: that because I think San Francisco is kind of flying

714
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 3: under the radar this year, and I feel like it's

715
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 3: one of those years where they just go.

716
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:32,919
Speaker 1: To the Super Bowl.

717
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 3: Uh. And I think one more it's interesting to me,

718
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 3: especially for fantasy is Seattle. They've really prioritized speed, I

719
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 3: think on offense, and I thought, you know, the Noah

720
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 3: Fense release was interesting, but they got that that young

721
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 3: tight end Arroyo and they drafted mill Row, So.

722
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: Kind kind of interested to see how that.

723
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 3: All kind of works itself out in Seattle. That's that's

724
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 3: the team I'm watching because I think it could be

725
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,919
Speaker 3: really bad in Seattle, but it could also be really

726
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 3: interesting too, or and just not not bad at all.

727
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: So I think, yeah, that.

728
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 4: Outcomes Cory horton their fifth round pick. I mean, if

729
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 4: Cooper Cup is still looking washed like he was last year,

730
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 4: he could be a starter. So he's someone you know,

731
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 4: I'll be watching in preseason as well.

732
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 1: Yeah.

733
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:19,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of new kind of faces that could

734
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 3: become relevant quickly for the Seahawks.

735
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 1: Preseason trends mentioned them.

736
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 3: But you know, things I kind of have seen tend

737
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 3: to hit more often than than than the norm. You know,

738
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 3: road teams tend to be uh profitable. I think that's

739
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 3: just because in the preseason there's you know, there's kind

740
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 3: of there's not much to go off of. So I

741
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 3: think a lot of the the market tends to overrate

742
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 3: home field advantage a little bit, where again, these teams

743
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 3: they're not really you know, going balls to the wall,

744
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 3: so a lot of the home field advantage is not

745
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 3: going to show itself because these teams are looking at

746
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 3: specific plays or scenarios or things that are just going

747
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,720
Speaker 3: to kind of neutralize that. So you know, we've seen, uh,

748
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 3: for example, according to Action Labs, road teams getting less

749
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 3: than thirty five percent of the bets in an interconference matchup,

750
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 3: and that's usually that's just AFC versus NFC. The most

751
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 3: preseason matchups are like that. I think just the lack

752
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 3: of familiar he already kind of plays into it. But

753
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 3: we've seen those hit sixty seven percent since twenty ten.

754
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 1: Thirty seven tends.

755
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 3: To be a key number for preseason in terms of

756
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 3: totals under thirty seven or more in outdoor games, which

757
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 3: are again most games hitting at a sixty one percent

758
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 3: clip since twenty fourteen, and then over thirty six and

759
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 3: a half or less outdoors is fifty eight percent going

760
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,959
Speaker 3: all the way back to seven, two, six, and four,

761
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 3: So those are interesting. And again just some more I

762
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 3: think playoff non playoff, which is a filter I rarely

763
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 3: use in action labs, but in the preseed. I learned

764
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 3: this from spring training in MLB, where I just had

765
00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 3: a huge edge just based on betting against teams like

766
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 3: that would that made the playoffs and we're getting overrated

767
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 3: because there was no other info to go off of.

768
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 3: And you see that play out in preseason a little

769
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 3: bit too. You know when you see when you see

770
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,240
Speaker 3: teams that made the playoffs, a lot of times people

771
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 3: think that they aren't gonna be as good in preseason

772
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 3: because they didn't have as high a draft picks. So

773
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 3: like overs are actually profitable for when both teams made

774
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 3: the playoffs year before, overs have hit a sixty percent

775
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 3: clip going all the way back to two thousand and five.

776
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 3: And you know, there's there's more trends like that, so

777
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,240
Speaker 3: I'll probably bet in some of them throughout the preasons.

778
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: So be sure to followed me and Turners on.

779
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 3: The action out But any trends you kind of pay

780
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 3: attention to, are you just strictly going off like your

781
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 3: quarterback charts or what are you looking out for in

782
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 3: terms of like the general market line movement things like that.

783
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I'm already kind of doing this at

784
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 4: a granule level, so I don't really pay too much

785
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 4: attention to trends. But like you said, the you know,

786
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 4: the total, the key number thirty seven, I tend to

787
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 4: bet half time. Again, when you bet a whole game

788
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 4: and kind of dilute, sometimes you have an edge in

789
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 4: the first half and it goes the other way the

790
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 4: second half. So I typically bet, you know, first half,

791
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 4: second half in seventeen and twenty are the key numbers,

792
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 4: So it makes sense, you know, the full game would

793
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 4: be thirty seven. But I'm typically paying attention to those numbers.

794
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 4: Coaching against the spread records, you gotta take them with

795
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 4: a grain of salt. But when it comes to preseason,

796
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 4: it does kind of tip off. You know, which coaches

797
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 4: take it seriously which ones don't. So I think those

798
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 4: are pretty important, you know, in combination with my more

799
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 4: formal approach. But the other thing that's it's not really

800
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 4: a trend, but something that's been happening a lot more

801
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 4: the past couple of seasons is we have a lot

802
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 4: more dual scrimmages between teams, and coaches are really considering

803
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,479
Speaker 4: that as preseason action. So if you have a dual

804
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:57,919
Speaker 4: scrimmage of two different teams, it's very likely that both

805
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 4: coaches are going to probably sit their starf ars for

806
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 4: that upcoming game, even if it's Week two or Week one.

807
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 2: Sometimes we see starters.

808
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 4: I think it's important to kind of know where those

809
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 4: scrimmages are and just keep that in mind. But coaches

810
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 4: have been basically treating that like the preseason games, so

811
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 4: I've been paying attention to that. But yeah, in general,

812
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 4: I'm just going with the flow with my projected you know,

813
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,280
Speaker 4: quarterback charts and things like that to kind of supplement

814
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 4: with some of these other trends.

815
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 2: The reason I do.

816
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,800
Speaker 3: Look at the trends, it's just more just trying to spot,

817
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 3: you know, like spots where you know, I might have

818
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 3: my handicap of a game and not see a big

819
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 3: edge just based on you know, who's playing who's not.

820
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 3: But sometimes the market just can just get so out

821
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 3: of whack based on these factors that don't really matter

822
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 3: that you do end up having an edge. So I

823
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 3: think that's why I kind of I want to be

824
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 3: at least aware of them. And also one thing we

825
00:40:55,520 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 3: should probably mention is that there's just tighter spread and

826
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 3: lower totals in the preseason. So like, ah, when the

827
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 3: market is off by you know, a point or a

828
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 3: half point point point and a half, it means a

829
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 3: little bit or something, sometimes a lot more than it

830
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 3: would in the regular season when the average totals you know,

831
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 3: forty five, forty six, when it's up around when it's

832
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 3: down around thirty seven, and most spreads are coming in

833
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 3: inside of three like that edge to get it to

834
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 3: three or you know, to get it to a pick

835
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 3: them or you know, something like that, it can be massive.

836
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 3: So that's why I've always kind of found it profitable

837
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,399
Speaker 3: to just be aware of what the market's doing because

838
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 3: there's just a lot of again, just a lot of

839
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 3: overreactions or reactions to irrelevant information, I think.

840
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: So that's kind of how I approach it. But yeah,

841
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,399
Speaker 1: it also goes the other way, just real quick.

842
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,399
Speaker 4: It also goes the other way where you know, John

843
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 4: Harbough is really good in preseason, the Ravens won so

844
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 4: many games in a row where once everybody is now

845
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 4: in on it and aware of it and betting accordingly.

846
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 4: It can inflate the line the other way. So there

847
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 4: were some games where the Ravens were favored by six

848
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,280
Speaker 4: and a half and I had it like an even matchup,

849
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 4: and it's like, okay, I gotta take the points here.

850
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 2: So sometimes it could go the other way.

851
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 4: So you just got to be aware of what the

852
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 4: market's actually aware of and not aware of. And when

853
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 4: books are featuring Ravens bets, you know the market the

854
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 4: book obviously wants action on it. So I think it's

855
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 4: just being aware of just you know, what people know

856
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 4: and what they don't know, and where the edge actually is.

857
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 4: I think it is very important.

858
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 3: You think we got to reset this year because if

859
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 3: they did go like ultra last year, right, so maybe

860
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 3: we got value because they got a pretty pretty deep roster.

861
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 4: Yet again exactly, I think, yeah, now that the market's

862
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 4: kind of off that trend, if I think it's pretty

863
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 4: even and the Ravens the spread looks right, then you

864
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 4: know I would consider them, But I take everything in

865
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 4: the consideration. Yeah, you're right, the market's probably gonna be

866
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 4: off that now. But Harbaugh, you know, for whatever reason,

867
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 4: has been taking preseason seriously have a ton, They have

868
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 4: a ton of depth, So yeah, they're probably gonna be

869
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 4: a lot better this preseason.

870
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 3: Don't they have two kickers now that they technically have

871
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 3: a kick competition. Yeah, so they might Actually they might

872
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 3: take some they might take the same points.

873
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, they want to get Loop as much work

874
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 4: as possible. I think that they spent six round draft

875
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,959
Speaker 4: capital on him, so they want him to win the job.

876
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 4: But again, they'll want him to get as much in

877
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,280
Speaker 4: game action, you know, having a deal with the stress

878
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 4: of making a kick in game as much as possible

879
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 4: to get him ready for the season.

880
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's that's a good point.

881
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: I feel like kickers are like the reverse magnet.

882
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 3: Like the more you chase kickers with draft capital, the

883
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 3: worse they tend to be. I feel like all the

884
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 3: kickers that get drafted always have these just like, if

885
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 3: not disastrous careers, at least disastrous stretches, like Moody, who's

886
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 3: the other guy, who's the guy for Tampa Bay.

887
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 1: Was Aguayo Aguayo. Yeah, like this is so many the

888
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: third round pick on him.

889
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 3: The Patriots got. Yeah, Like there's just been when teams

890
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 3: do that. I just I always kind of look at

891
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 3: him a little side. I like, I know what you

892
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 3: were doing in theory, trying to you know, shore that

893
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 3: up and not have to pay like a veteran. What

894
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 3: you probably think is, you know, more money than he's

895
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 3: worth for a position that you don't think is that important.

896
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 3: But you know, I feel like it backfires so much

897
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 3: so that that is actually pretty interesting. But let's let's

898
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 3: close it out by talking about this year's Hall of

899
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 3: Fame game. And as I mentioned at the top, we

900
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 3: kind of arrived at the same conclusion for this Charger

901
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 3: versus Lion matchups. So why don't you start break it

902
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 3: down who you got going at quarterback and which way

903
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 3: you lean in.

904
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

905
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 4: So again, I like to think of it in quarters

906
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 4: and halfs. This year, it's basically two different halfs. The

907
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 4: first half, the Chargers will be playing Trey Lance the

908
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 4: entire first half and Detroit I'm assuming Head and Hooker

909
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 4: will play the first half and then the second half

910
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,919
Speaker 4: will be you know, Trey Lance is supposed to play

911
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 4: the first driver so to open the second half, and

912
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,760
Speaker 4: then it'll be Dju, who had an interesting college career.

913
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 4: We'll play mop up duty and close it out, whereas

914
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 4: Detroit will be playing Kyle Allen in the second half.

915
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 4: And it's notable that the Lions they're just not playing

916
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 4: any starters or rookies, whereas you know, the Chargers they're

917
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 4: they're apparently playing the rookies, maybe a driver to So

918
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 4: we're gonna see some Amaron Hampton, Trey Harris. But also

919
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 4: on the defensive side, we'll have Jamry Caldwell and Kyle

920
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 4: Canard playing. I think that's that's gonna be a sneaky

921
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 4: edge for the Chargers in the first half, especially those

922
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 4: two defensive players because Hooker last year took on a

923
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 4: ton of sacks.

924
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 2: What a sentence, Holy shit.

925
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 4: But I think Canard, I think Canard can get to

926
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,240
Speaker 4: him the first half. If they had a sack prop

927
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 4: I would take Canard over a half sack. I'd bet

928
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 4: it down to, like, you know, plus one fifty. But

929
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 4: I think I think the Chargers defense should be able

930
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 4: to contain Hooker. So again, I think the Chargers have

931
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 4: a slight edge here in the first half. So you

932
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 4: and I, we were both on you know, the Chargers

933
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,760
Speaker 4: first half. I think if you can get them plus

934
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 4: a half, anything better than minus twenty, I would say

935
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 4: I would do that instead of the money line, because

936
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 4: a lot of these games are low scoring, so just

937
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 4: getting a half point there where you cash if the

938
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 4: first half ties, I think is worth it.

939
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 2: And then the.

940
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 4: Second half I think, you know, I'll be looking for

941
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 4: the under there.

942
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 2: I'll kind of just have to see how the game's going.

943
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,720
Speaker 4: But I think the second half will be very low scoring,

944
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 4: so I'll be looking for the under. It's probably going

945
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 4: to be in that no man's land range of fifteen

946
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 4: and a half sixteen and a half, but I think

947
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 4: the second half play for me would be, you know,

948
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:54,439
Speaker 4: leaning towards the under.

949
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, right there with you Chargers first half.

950
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 3: I'm even if first quarter comes out lines don't look

951
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 3: like they've dropped you. But I'm fine with that as well,

952
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 3: because again, like you said, it might just be a

953
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 3: driver to for the Charges rookies, but I do think

954
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 3: in the first half they have an advantage. You know,

955
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 3: not just the rookies, but Almo, not just the you

956
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 3: know Hampton and Trey Harris, but you know Lambert Smith

957
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 3: has been playing.

958
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: Well, you got Gadston.

959
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 3: I assume we'll get some maps, maybe all the tight ends,

960
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 3: so you might even get like Disley, I think like

961
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 3: all their tight ends played even when other guys sat

962
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 3: last year too, and you kind of got this three

963
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 3: way rotation that has to sort itself out. So you

964
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 3: might get like veterans in uh, you know, Gadston at

965
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 3: tight end, and then you also have some of the

966
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 3: backups that are pretty good in their own right, like

967
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 3: a guy like Darius Davis is probably gonna play a

968
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 3: decent part of the first half. He's very explosive, and

969
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 3: you know at returnment gadget guy, and those are the

970
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 3: type of guys that tend to make a difference in

971
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 3: in pre and and of course Trey Lance is you know,

972
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 3: explosive in his own right. And and you're gonna get

973
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,919
Speaker 3: Zion Johnson at center for a few drives, I think too.

974
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 3: And I know he's kind of been looked at his

975
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 3: uh disappointing, but he's still got who started all but

976
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,240
Speaker 3: two games over his three year career UH since getting

977
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 3: drafted for the Charges, including all seventeen lashes. That's a

978
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 3: starting caliber lineman right in the middle. So yeah, a

979
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 3: lot of edges for the charges in the first half,

980
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 3: and and it just all deteriorates when dj U comes

981
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 3: in the game. But you do you think it is.

982
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 3: Has Hooker been named the starter? I know he's second

983
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 3: on the unofficial depth chart, but I actually could see

984
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 3: them kind of going maybe either back and forth or

985
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,439
Speaker 3: mixing it up or something like that. I'm not sure,

986
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 3: like one hundred percent.

987
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 4: I don't think Hooker, Yeah, I don't think Campbell has

988
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 4: like said it, like you know, Harrbob basically laid up

989
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 4: the whole plan.

990
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 2: I don't think Campbell has said.

991
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 4: I would just assume it's yeah, Hooker first half, ellen

992
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,399
Speaker 4: second half. But that's one of those things where even

993
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,720
Speaker 4: if they switch it, it's not getting really my cap

994
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 4: at all. I think, yeah, it really wouldn't matter. But yeah,

995
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 4: there are some times where coaches they just alternate quarterbacks

996
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 4: by drive. I think we've seen the Titans do that,

997
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 4: which is interesting. But I think in this case they're

998
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 4: pretty similar in terms of, you know, value against the spread, right,

999
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 4: I don't think it would matter. I just think the

1000
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 4: fact that, again the Chargers are actually playing the rookies

1001
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 4: in the first half, I think gives them the slight

1002
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 4: edge here.

1003
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1004
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 3: I went back and I looked at all Hookers drives,

1005
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 3: you know, in the preseason last year. Then all of

1006
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 3: Allen's over the past three years, and they've both come

1007
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 3: out to like if they played a whole game, they

1008
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 3: would be their team would be around right somewhere in

1009
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 3: that sixteen point range. Like I think like maybe like

1010
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 3: fifteen point nine to for Hooker and like seventeen point two.

1011
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 3: Then this is just based on the their preseason performance,

1012
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 3: So you know, this is not like anything to kind

1013
00:49:56,520 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 3: of phrazy with regression or anything. But yeah, like I

1014
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 3: don't think there's a big deal. But Allen, I think

1015
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 3: I would rather Hooker start for that Chargers be just

1016
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 3: because he.

1017
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:10,399
Speaker 1: Is a guy that really wasn't throwing deep.

1018
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 3: I think he had one deep pass in all his

1019
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 3: preseason action, uh you know, over the last year. And

1020
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 3: then he Campbell I caught him quoted as saying something

1021
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 3: like I just want him to like take what the

1022
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 3: defense gives and dump it down to the back. And

1023
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 3: so it sounds like he's just gonna do that again.

1024
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 3: Whereas Kyle Allen actually in the preseason gets a little frisky,

1025
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 3: he might he might he might let a tuble go

1026
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 3: down the field.

1027
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,439
Speaker 1: So I think I would prefer Hooker. You might see

1028
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: longer drives.

1029
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 3: And also Hooker is just Uh, you know what, he

1030
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 3: tends to let a lot of pressure and there's a

1031
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 3: lot of sacks and he'll scramble out of it, but

1032
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 3: not not necessarily averaging like a ton of yards either.

1033
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,720
Speaker 3: So and then he gets hit a lot, so more fumble.

1034
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:54,879
Speaker 3: So yeah, I would I hope Hooker starts to play

1035
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 3: the whole first half, but yeah, I don't know if

1036
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 3: it's guaranteed it, but either way, charges first quarter, charges

1037
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 3: first half half, and then I'm also looking at a

1038
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 3: Chargers a double result where you can get like a

1039
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:10,919
Speaker 3: plus seven fifty on Chargers first half Lions full game

1040
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,399
Speaker 3: because dju. I mean, we didn't really talk too much

1041
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 3: about him, but what was it. I think a fifty

1042
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 3: two and a half completion rate last year with more

1043
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 3: more picks than than touchdowns. And he for his career,

1044
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:24,399
Speaker 3: he hasn't really been accurate at all.

1045
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 4: Right, No, and he was like the number one overall

1046
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 4: prospect heading into college football, but he just didn't pan out.

1047
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 4: He's you know, I think he played for like three

1048
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 4: or four different schools. He'd'll be rooting for him on

1049
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 4: a human level, like this is probably his shot, and

1050
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 4: he does have some rushing upside, so you know he

1051
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 4: might pick up a first down or two with his legs,

1052
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 4: but I just think it's gonna be a low scoring

1053
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,720
Speaker 4: second half. And yeah, whether it's Hooker or Kyle Allen,

1054
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 4: I would say the Lions have the edge in the

1055
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 4: second half against DJU. So that's why you know, I'm

1056
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 4: either looking. I love your angle that of taking the

1057
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 4: Chargers first half and then the Lions coming back to win.

1058
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 4: I think that's a great read because that's basically how

1059
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 4: I'm mapping it out. So I might join you with

1060
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 4: something like that or the second half under. It's always

1061
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 4: fun to root for some sort of under in the

1062
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame game because the clocks is run in

1063
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 4: you know, the coaches want to get the hell out

1064
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 4: of there. But yeah, either right should be a blast,

1065
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 4: you know, getting to see some of these rookies and

1066
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 4: finally sweating an NFL bet after all this time.

1067
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it sounds like one of one of the

1068
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 3: things I did find interesting with the Lions is Moreton,

1069
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 3: you know, the new OC. One of the things he

1070
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:37,879
Speaker 3: said was he wants and this is something I guess

1071
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 3: to keep in mind for regular season too, is that

1072
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 3: he wants to take more deep shots. So I wonder

1073
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 3: if that translates that all to a guy like Hooker,

1074
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 3: who again really didn't go deep at all last year.

1075
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 3: I do I know to worry about Alan if like

1076
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 3: he plays the entire second half airing it out. But

1077
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 3: then again, it's like to who because I think anybody,

1078
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 3: like anybody important is probably gonna play in the FIRS.

1079
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:00,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you got I guess you got.

1080
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 3: More week Taylor. Uh, maybe he'll play deep into the

1081
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 3: into the game. But I think the Chargers offensively have

1082
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 3: more depths.

1083
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 1: Even at the running back position.

1084
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 3: You know, I know the Lions have Sailors and Vaki

1085
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 3: has been banged up, maybe out, so see if he goes.

1086
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Speaker 3: Reynolds is like a preseason legend. But the Chargers, you know,

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Speaker 3: they have vidals apparently playing better. And then you got

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Speaker 3: Haskins who was on the roster all of last year.

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Speaker 3: You got Patterson who seems to always pop in their preseason,

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Speaker 3: and those guys are suddenly in this maybe important competition

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Speaker 3: for the number two back because we don't know how long. No,

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Speaker 3: he's gonna be a rocking to Stevie Wondershade. So you know,

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Speaker 3: the Chargers just the I think offensively do have some

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Speaker 3: some some a little bit more incentive, but yeah, I

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Speaker 3: think DJ you might just Jameis Winston it too, where

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Speaker 3: you could see some pick six and then next play

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Speaker 3: like a long touchdown. So I am interested to see,

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Speaker 3: uh you know, how it all plays out. But yeah, lines,

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Speaker 3: I don't want to just take the Lions full game,

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Speaker 3: you know, after betting the Chargers first half, because that

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Speaker 3: I don't think there's quite enough upside there. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: I do like kind of getting that double result and

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Speaker 3: you can get it like plus seven fifty I see

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Speaker 3: on the market. So that's that's what I'll be doing,

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Speaker 3: all right, anything else on the whole of Fame game.

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Speaker 4: Nope, But yeah, that'll be my play. I'll have my

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Speaker 4: right up probably if you're listening, with my right ups

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Speaker 4: already up. And then the day of the game, so

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Speaker 4: tomorrow I'll probably have a right up for props. I

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Speaker 4: might have a couple of those. I already see a

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Speaker 4: couple I like, so you know, stay tuned for that.

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Speaker 3: There you go, and that's gonna do it for today's

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Speaker 3: episode of the Action Network podcast. Thanks as always for

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