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Speaker 1: Into the uptime for the touchdown, Hollywood Brown has been spectacular.

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Speaker 2: Honor to the five and end of the end zone

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Speaker 2: Problem solved touchdown, Tyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces.

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Speaker 1: All that was nasty right there right The latest news

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Speaker 1: and notes from the insiders who cover the team.

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Speaker 2: Bring it on, Break it on, tuckdown, Save in colind

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Speaker 2: slam to the ground by fooda baker like a torpedo.

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Speaker 2: He came flying into the backfield, high skirting nobody.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvic.

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Speaker 2: Do you know the first Thanksgiving was celebrated in I

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Speaker 2: Take You Back to Grade School? Sixteen twenty one.

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Do you know when Thanksgiving officially became an official holiday?

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Speaker 2: Sixteen twenty two, eighteen sixty three?

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Speaker 3: I was close?

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Speaker 2: In other words, trust the process. Okay, some of these

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Speaker 2: things take time, even Thanksgiving as a holiday itself, Danny Sirek.

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Speaker 2: It takes time. There is a process. You need more football,

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Speaker 2: you need more factoids. Do you realize the tradition of

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Speaker 2: football and Thanksgiving? As you can tell, I googled up

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Speaker 2: a few factoids. Began in eighteen seventy six. It was

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Speaker 2: Yell against Princeton, But the first NFL games weren't played

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Speaker 2: until Thanksgiving nineteen twenty, and the Lions have played on

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Speaker 2: Thanksgiving every year since nineteen thirty four. But you might

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Speaker 2: not be as interested in that as here's your trivia question.

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Speaker 2: She's still looking at me for something that's going to resonate.

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Speaker 2: The average number of calories each person consumes on the

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Speaker 2: Thanksgiving holiday? Care to guess.

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Speaker 4: Three thousand?

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Speaker 2: Oh good, that's the low end. There's a range, okay,

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Speaker 2: three to five.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to go to forty five hundred.

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Speaker 2: Wow, thirty one fifty to forty five hundred is the

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Speaker 2: range of calories consumed on the Thanksgiving Holly.

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Speaker 5: Well, this where the.

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Speaker 4: Price is right. I would win because Darren went.

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Speaker 2: Over for the lightning round for the bonus prize. Can

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Speaker 2: you guess the average Americans consumption of fat grams on Thanksgiving?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 4: What is a normal what's a normal serving in a day?

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Speaker 2: What I'm going.

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Speaker 3: To say twenty nine, Bob.

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Speaker 4: So I don't know what's normal. I was going to

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Speaker 4: say like sixty, but now that sounds ridiculous. I'll just

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Speaker 4: stay with sixty.

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Speaker 2: Well, Darren got two thirds of it. It's two twenty nine.

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Speaker 5: Holy oh, So I win. I win again.

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Speaker 2: And by the way it takes us there, it takes

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Speaker 2: nine and a half hours for the average American mail.

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Speaker 2: The average American mail to burn forty five hundred calories.

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Speaker 2: Just to let you know, so, it's a lot of

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Speaker 5: You want to know something.

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Speaker 4: Knowing that information, Paul is not going to stop me

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Speaker 4: or how I eat Thanksgiving meals? Is that a good

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Speaker 4: thing or a bad thing? I don't really know.

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Speaker 2: Is this the point in which you bring up the

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Speaker 2: green bean castrole.

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Speaker 3: I don't think either one of you really have to

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Speaker 4: I don't know that I'll be having green bean castrole

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Speaker 2: Wow, I know you're no longer trusting your process.

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Speaker 4: No, I love green bean castrole. My sister makes it

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Speaker 4: the best, and I'm going I'm spending Thanksgiving with a

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Speaker 4: it will be there and for Friendsgiving. I'm not making

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Speaker 4: it because nobody else will eat it? So why would

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Speaker 4: I put in the time and effort to make an

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Speaker 3: Eat because you like it?

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Speaker 4: But I can make other things? I also like that's

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Speaker 4: I am trying out a new baked mac and cheese

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Speaker 4: I'm also doing stuffing and then I've got some rolls

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Speaker 2: Is that gutsy? Is that is that risky to try

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Speaker 2: a recipe for the first time when you're cooking Thanksgiving?

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Speaker 4: I figured at the in worst case scenario it is

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Speaker 4: pasta and cheese, right, So can it really be that bad?

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Speaker 3: I want to know what fancy butter is.

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Speaker 4: Like, I don't like making like mixing like I don't

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Speaker 2: A little bit later we'll get into let the rooks cook,

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Speaker 2: But that's totally different, has nothing to do with the

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Speaker 4: Are the two of you? Here's the better question? Are

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Speaker 4: there two of you cooking or providing anything for your

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Speaker 4: Thanksgiving meals.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I told my wife that I would cook everything.

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Speaker 5: WHOA, No, come on, I want to see pictures.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we're not going to I also, under

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Speaker 2: no circumstances does anyone share Darren's story with my wife Capeche.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean because I don't need help. My wife

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Speaker 3: would rather not have host a Thanksgiving because I would

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Speaker 3: rather not go anywhere on Thanksgiving. So we are hosting,

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Speaker 3: and that was that's that's how.

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Speaker 4: I I'm very impressed, Aaron. I can't wait to see pictures.

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Speaker 4: And Paul, I assume you're just showing.

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Speaker 3: Not that exciting.

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Speaker 2: Just because I'm not cooking Darren, Danny doesn't mean I'm

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Speaker 2: not providing. I have other tasks that I've been assigned

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Speaker 2: on Thanksgiving Day. It's we're hosting people at cos KELVC

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Speaker 2: Bingo card.

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Speaker 4: I'll have to bring that back next year.

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Speaker 5: It's been a minute.

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Speaker 2: So if the ears an off the wall question, if

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Speaker 2: the Houston game was a Thanksgiving dish, what would it be.

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Speaker 2: There's some things to like about.

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Speaker 3: Obviously Danny would not say green Bean Castle role.

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Speaker 2: Ultimately distasteful, but you know what, you know, there were

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Speaker 2: certain aspects of the meal that was yeah, it's more

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Speaker 2: than edible, right, there were some highlights on the meal overall, though,

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Speaker 2: I guess indigestion at the very end. I don't know

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Speaker 3: Uh, probably taking the the parallel too.

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Speaker 4: Far, Paul, I guess maybe mash potatoes. Like I love

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Speaker 4: mashed potatoes, and then it's because I love them so much,

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Speaker 4: I feel like I get a stomach ache from eating

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Speaker 4: too much of them. Right, so it's a little like

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Speaker 4: displeasure at the end, I guess from a stomach ache,

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Speaker 4: and that might be a good comparison.

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Speaker 2: By the way, do you know the Butterball Turkey talk

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Speaker 2: And if you need a little help with your holidays.

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Speaker 4: Why would you? What does that mean? Why are you

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Speaker 4: calling them for help?

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, to cook your turkey. I mean someone like me,

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Speaker 3: not that we're having turkey.

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Speaker 5: But I'm just saying I don't hate that.

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Speaker 4: I think turkey's pretty overrated unless it's like a smoked turkey,

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Speaker 4: but a traditional Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 5: To you for a brunch, So I'm glad are you

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Speaker 5: like eggs.

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Speaker 3: I'm making eggs and ham and a French toast casserole

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Speaker 3: and bacon, and yeah, do.

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Speaker 2: You know there are four towns in the United States

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Speaker 2: of America named Turkey and one is in Arizona. And

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Speaker 2: that'll do it for your Thanksgiving fact toys, where like,

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Speaker 2: are we going to talk about cardinals.

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Speaker 4: That, Yeah, we've lost everybody at this point, So there

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Speaker 2: Kyler Murray Game two. Here was my analogy. Do you

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Speaker 2: guys play golf. I play golf. I play golf about

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Speaker 2: twice a year, and after about six months off, you

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Speaker 2: this could be bad, making my debut all over again.

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Speaker 2: But you keep it simple. And the front nine is

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Speaker 2: okay because you're keeping it simple. You're not taking a

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Speaker 2: big back swing, you're hitting the three wood instead of

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Speaker 2: start feeling yourself. You're like, all right, you know what,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna let it rip. I'm gonna take a mighty

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Speaker 2: swing here, I'm gonna carry that bunker. I'm going to

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Speaker 2: aim for the pin. And then all of a sudden

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Speaker 2: things deteriorate. Not as good as the front nine, even

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Speaker 2: though you supposedly had knocked the rust off on the

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Speaker 2: front nine. That's my analogy for Kyler a little bit.

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Speaker 2: You know there he was in the first game and

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Speaker 2: they put the l into atl and you know what,

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Speaker 2: everything came together in game two for Kyler. Maybe there

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Speaker 2: were a few throws that he was trying to get

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Speaker 2: a little something extron and just weren't there, because obviously

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Speaker 2: there were at least three throws he would love to

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Speaker 3: So you're saying the interception, the throw to McBride.

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Speaker 2: And what was the Elijah Higgins, the Miss Hollywood deep

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Speaker 2: shot that was picked. Yeah, that one there. So those

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Speaker 2: were the three at least McBride, Higgins and the deep

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Speaker 2: it easily could have been six the week before to Hollywood.

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Speaker 3: I agree.

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Speaker 4: I wonder how much is rust in terms of hasn't

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Speaker 4: how much is rust in the sense of it's different

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Speaker 4: preparing with the new staff in practices rather than games,

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Speaker 4: week two, we didn't see the fall start, we didn't

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Speaker 4: see the delay of games. So in terms of handling

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Speaker 4: a football game, that seemed Kyler was more comfortable in

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Speaker 4: that sense. Postgame, Kyler talked about the footwork and I

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Speaker 4: believe it was the mcbridethrow he was specifically talking about

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Speaker 4: is having to adjust a little bit is how they

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Speaker 4: want the footwork done. Offensive corner or Drew Petsing talked

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Speaker 4: about that to the media Tuesday as well. I'm wondering

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Speaker 4: but having to adjust to the new pieces of the offense. Still,

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Speaker 4: I think about the fumble the handoff with James Connor,

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Speaker 4: of Connor clearly thought that was his ball to take,

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Speaker 4: or was that communication with Kyler? Was the decision made

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Speaker 4: too late? What was the process there? Is that something

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Speaker 4: with the handoff? Is the communication a little different than

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Speaker 4: what Kyler's used to So I'm not sure if it's

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Speaker 5: Terms of.

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Speaker 4: Not having played football in a long time, or more

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Speaker 4: just having to make those little changes consistently throughout an

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Speaker 2: Still playing his first road game, it was a lot

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Speaker 2: noisier in that building than I remembered.

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Speaker 4: For a crowd that was not clearly not sold out,

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Speaker 4: it was loud.

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Speaker 2: I mean a crowd that was hung over from the

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Speaker 2: Morgan Wallen concert the other or pitball.

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Speaker 5: They were both downtown, so there was all that.

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Speaker 2: It was a lot louder than I ever remember playing,

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Speaker 2: so I do give the Houston fans credit on that one.

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Speaker 2: There was also, wait for it, a game of film

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Speaker 2: plan that on almost all third downs and most definitely

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Speaker 2: And now, look, I don't have the ability to see

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Speaker 2: Oh no, I think it was under center and it

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Speaker 2: you know, everyone's keeping score how many times under center?

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Speaker 2: I not necessarily care as much about under center versus shotgun,

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Speaker 2: like you know, seconds on the stuffing. Please more, Please more,

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Speaker 3: He looked really good for a lot of that game,

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Speaker 2: Speaking of stuffing, it became feast or famine James Connor.

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Speaker 3: There we go.

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Speaker 2: It was seemingly either an eleven yard run or no

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Speaker 5: I understand that reference.

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Speaker 4: Actually, nobody asked my dad's favorite show. Sorry, I didn't

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Speaker 4: mean in a bad way.

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Speaker 2: Paul, good Night, everybody drives safely.

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Speaker 3: Do you want him to talk about the purge again?

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Speaker 2: No, it's please, it's a holiday. I mean, we can

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Speaker 2: if you want to talk at me on die Hard,

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Speaker 3: About that Christmas movie. We'll get to that in a

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Speaker 2: I mean, nobody has time for the Purge or the

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Speaker 2: Purge election year there you go, no time for that.

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Speaker 3: It's funny that you guys are talking about Russ because

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Speaker 4: And this is a different type of team that Kyler

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Speaker 4: doesn't have DeAndre Hopkins. Trey mcbide's been playing well, but

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Speaker 4: his role is probably having to change. We've talked about

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Speaker 2: It's his team. I mean, there's no question it's his

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Speaker 2: He's under that contract, and fourth quarter is where elite

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Speaker 2: quarterbacks win games. And I just think it was Look,

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Speaker 2: would have been my forecast. My forecast would have been Okay,

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Speaker 2: drill that every single day in practice. But the running ability,

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Speaker 2: probably running more like a four or five, but no,

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's Kyler Murray who's getting up field and

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Speaker 2: That's what they came in trying to. In fact, the owner,

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Speaker 4: I feel the same way even after the win when

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Speaker 4: he was asked about it, after the Falcons game of

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Speaker 4: he took responsibility, took accountability, and that's.

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Speaker 5: What you look That's part of the job.

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Speaker 4: When you sign up and you sign the contract be

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Speaker 5: So yes, it is great.

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Speaker 4: To see Kyler step into that role and step into

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Speaker 4: noticed the way that Kyler seems to I don't have

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Speaker 4: That's what he did on that forty eight yard bomb

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Speaker 4: But he would go down pretty early, right, He would

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Speaker 4: go down previous years. I feel like he's letting defenders

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Speaker 4: He's going legs for like, I just feel like there's

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Speaker 2: By the way, Rondelle Moore on the forty eight yard

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Speaker 2: that was the longest air yards catch of Rondelle Moore's

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Speaker 2: It didn't seem like they moved the pocket as much

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Speaker 2: with Kyler. In Game two, the boots the waggles, the rollouts,

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Speaker 3: I felt like, especially earlier in that early in that game,

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Speaker 3: I felt like Kyler was making a concerted effort to

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Speaker 2: Here's the other thing, And Jonathan Ganna mentioned this after

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Speaker 2: And he mentioned that Houston went into that too high

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Speaker 2: Not to say there weren't open players because Trey McBride

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Speaker 2: but you know, teams are going to continue to employ

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Speaker 2: then challenge the Cardinals to establish a long drive. You know,

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Speaker 4: Does it change if you have a receiver with the

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Speaker 5: Shoulder injury, no doubt.

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Speaker 2: The Greg Dortch or fourth and three and he catches

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Speaker 4: I know the pass wasn't great, but I'm thinking the

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Speaker 2: I mean he's like a projectile. He just got thrown.

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Speaker 4: was incredible. I was like, I know Gregorge already like Gregorge,

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Speaker 4: but holy cow, like I'm a fan of Greg Doorch.

441
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:16,920
Speaker 4: After watching Good Morning Football Angry Run.

442
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,520
Speaker 3: Please please go to Ezycardinals dot com to see that clip.

443
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,159
Speaker 4: I just definitely worry this is a cyeburn out. But

444
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,159
Speaker 4: the things he comes up with to say when he is,

445
00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:28,920
Speaker 4: yes likely ad libbing as he's watching these is so incredible.

446
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 4: Like that how he was describing Dorch was just hysterical.

447
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,000
Speaker 3: The fact that I think to my younger days when

448
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,479
Speaker 3: I first saw him on Real World Chicago on MTV

449
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:43,080
Speaker 3: back in a long time, what oh yeah, that's where

450
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:44,840
Speaker 3: Kyle Brandt first did.

451
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Speaker 2: Something did not know that I did not know it was.

452
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Speaker 3: He was on the Chicago version of the Real World

453
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Speaker 3: back when, like it was still somewhat realistic.

454
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Speaker 4: Strangers living in a house, Strangers.

455
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Speaker 3: Live in a house. My wife and I would watch

456
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Speaker 3: it every time it came on.

457
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Speaker 2: So, how would you describe his persona on Real World?

458
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Speaker 2: Which personality type was he?

459
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Speaker 3: Well, at that time they always probably were so young

460
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:08,399
Speaker 3: because I don't know if you guys know this, but

461
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:13,120
Speaker 3: he was on a soap opera for a while, Theatric.

462
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:14,919
Speaker 3: He was on a soap for a while.

463
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Speaker 2: Because that's like when he does angry runs, that's like

464
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Speaker 2: performance art.

465
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. So like he he played football

466
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Speaker 3: in the Ivy League, and then I'm guessing he wanted

467
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,679
Speaker 3: to get into and that's how his little doorway was

468
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,200
Speaker 3: through Real World, which one of one of the Real

469
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Speaker 3: worlds was the Wrestler of the Miz. He was on

470
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Speaker 3: the Real World as well in New York. So anyways,

471
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Speaker 3: I know way too much about the Real World, at

472
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Speaker 3: least once upon a time. Anyways, he was he was

473
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Speaker 3: He was the whitebread college dude who just graduated college.

474
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Speaker 3: And I mean he was, he was probably at the clink. Yeah,

475
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Speaker 3: that's kind of what he was. In those days. They

476
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:56,399
Speaker 3: were still like setting up quote unquote jobs for these

477
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Speaker 3: people to go to, so they had whatever job they

478
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Speaker 3: had every day. And yeah, you should go back and

479
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:03,119
Speaker 3: look at their reruns.

480
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Speaker 2: So it was like the original reality TV in a

481
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 2: lot of ways, right, probably real world thing. Okay, all right,

482
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Speaker 2: well anyway, look it's it's really well done. I defy

483
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Speaker 2: anyone to match the energy of Kyle Brandt during the

484
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,880
Speaker 2: whole angry run segment every week, which he really needs

485
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 2: to franchise in some way. But Greg Dorts absolutely right,

486
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:24,879
Speaker 2: and then the boom the hand plant. You know, that

487
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,120
Speaker 2: was a great ad lib by Kyle brand as well.

488
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Speaker 2: But it is remarkable to watch him. He got more

489
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Speaker 2: snaps on offense in that game, Greg Dorts, and he

490
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Speaker 2: had the entire season combined coming into that game. But

491
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Speaker 2: when you there are I mean when he checks in,

492
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Speaker 2: just the desperation with which he plays is unmatched anybody

493
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Speaker 2: on the Cardinals team. He is so hungry for every

494
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Speaker 2: single yard he is. He's his entire football career has

495
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Speaker 2: been fighting for a chance. Yes, and that's the way

496
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,119
Speaker 2: he looks every time he gets a touch, he's just

497
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Speaker 2: fighting every one out there.

498
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Speaker 4: I was just gonna say it is I know with

499
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 4: the previous staff, it was always Rondeo Moore or Greg Dortch.

500
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Speaker 4: I like that you were able to see this staff

501
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 4: can find ways to utilize both of them. Rondale Moore

502
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 4: clearly has the speed and you're able to use him

503
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Speaker 4: out of the backfield. I'm just curious of when you

504
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Speaker 4: see Dorch have a game like he has and he

505
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Speaker 4: has these opportunities, it just kind of makes me wonder

506
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Speaker 4: about the roles for each of them and are they correlated?

507
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Speaker 4: Could you be getting more out of More? I mean,

508
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Speaker 4: do you guys still think that when you yes?

509
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Speaker 3: See it's funny because there's a lot of fans out

510
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Speaker 3: there that are hoping you don't use more as much.

511
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Speaker 4: As you use gregor is it really either or?

512
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Speaker 3: I think I think part of the I think part

513
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Speaker 3: of the issue right now is that you have a

514
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Speaker 3: coaching staff that prefers bigger receivers and all the receivers

515
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 3: that they had left over from the previous regime, or

516
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 3: smaller receivers. And I think that's the problem right now.

517
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 3: I think that's part of The issue is, I don't

518
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Speaker 3: I don't think they want that many. You're gonna have

519
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 3: Hollywood on one side, and you're not gonna use both

520
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 3: More and Dorsch because you want the bigger receivers out there.

521
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Speaker 3: And in fact, somebody was asking why is pat why

522
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Speaker 3: does Pascal play over Dorsch. Well, Pascal has only got

523
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 3: eleven targets all season, But when they want another bigger

524
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 3: receiver that might be able to block or just be

525
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:32,719
Speaker 3: a bigger guy, they're gonna go to him over over Dorsch.

526
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Speaker 3: I do like, I do like the competitiveness of Dortsch.

527
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Speaker 3: I try to I try to ask him if he

528
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 3: would talk a little bit after the game, and he declined.

529
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Speaker 3: And I have a good relationship with Greg Dortch. I

530
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Speaker 3: didn't blame him. It was funny that whole locker room

531
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Speaker 3: was kind of interesting because I thought for the most

532
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Speaker 3: part the guys were in a decent frame of mind,

533
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Speaker 3: especially the defense. But you had the one corner of

534
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Speaker 3: the locker room where Kyler's in his uniform the whole time,

535
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:06,640
Speaker 3: staring into his locker, and then all the receivers were

536
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 3: also like, not in a good place. Georch was in

537
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 3: a good place. Rondale was in a good place. Hollywood

538
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 3: was kind of just staring in his uniform pants, not

539
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,679
Speaker 3: looking good. Michael Wilson's trying to like get dressed and

540
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 3: not really know what to say to his guys. I

541
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Speaker 3: don't know if it's because of how the offense turned

542
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 3: out or whatever, but I felt like those that group

543
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 3: with Kyler where they were in the worst place compared

544
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Speaker 3: to everybody else.

545
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Speaker 2: I'm going to take a guess it had a lot

546
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Speaker 2: to do with third and fourth down. Probably certain receivers

547
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 2: maybe weren't in the right spots. He obviously didn't have

548
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 2: the conversions on third and fourth down. Cardinals are near

549
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 2: the bottom of the league on fourth down. You know,

550
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 2: the head coach and the offensive coordinator put their trust

551
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,360
Speaker 2: into the offense instead of kicking the field goals going

552
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 2: forward on fourth down, and they weren't able to deliver. So, yeah,

553
00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 2: the emotions were raw after that game, I think. And

554
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 2: in terms of doors versus the other, Greg Dortch and

555
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:08,360
Speaker 2: Zach Pascal might play the same position, two totally different players,

556
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 2: two totally different responsibilities when they're out in the field.

557
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 2: Pascal is primarily a blocking receiver. Dortsch is anything but

558
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Speaker 2: in his capacity at his size. So although Dorschy just

559
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 2: help comparing the two.

560
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Dorsch did have one really good block on I

561
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 3: can't remember what play it was, but I remember thinking, Wow,

562
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,439
Speaker 3: great James Connor run.

563
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Speaker 5: I miss that.

564
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Speaker 3: I'm not trying to cut you off, but I did

565
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Speaker 3: want to note that Greg Dortch came to play.

566
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Speaker 4: The Cardinals finished three for ten on third downs, one

567
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 4: for four on fourth I don't have a problem being

568
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Speaker 4: aggressive on four downs. I'm just curious, is there a point,

569
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Speaker 4: not just with Gannon, but maybe you know head coaches

570
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Speaker 4: in general, is there a point where so consistently, either

571
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Speaker 4: throughout a game or throughout a couple games, where it

572
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,199
Speaker 4: is not working. Do you just say, you know what,

573
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Speaker 4: let's let's look at the analytics differently, let's try something differently,

574
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Speaker 4: let's maybe not be as aggressive. Well.

575
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Speaker 2: And it all started with the Kylo touchdown run that

576
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 2: made it twenty one sixteen. And then you go for

577
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,679
Speaker 2: the two point conversion and you get stimmied on the

578
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 2: two point conversion run. And at that point, I get it.

579
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Speaker 2: You want to get it to a three point game,

580
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 2: make it twenty one eighteen. And I've said this, and

581
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 2: I'll say it again. You know, at that point, late

582
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 2: third quarter, is it realistic or plausible that you're going

583
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Speaker 2: to shut out c J. Stroud and Houston the rest

584
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 2: of the way. I mean, at that point you still

585
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 2: have you know, pedal to the metal, high octane left

586
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 2: lane Todd Graham football right here, the former ASU head coach.

587
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 2: You're going ultra aggressive. You've got to try and put

588
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 2: points on the board to match CJ. Stroud in that

589
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 2: Houston offense. Who would have thunk it at that point

590
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 2: that you're going to pitch a shutout and hold them

591
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 2: to eighty six total yards in the second half.

592
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Speaker 3: Well, I mean that's part of my argument of why

593
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 3: they would do I'll be honest, I'm I'm still very

594
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 3: much in the you don't go for two until the

595
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Speaker 3: fourth quarter at the earliest camp. So I didn't. I

596
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 3: didn't love that, But the way everything turned out, that

597
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 3: point really didn't mean anything. If you're if you kick

598
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 3: the field goal and then kick another field goal, you

599
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 3: still win the game. You know, it would have hurt

600
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 3: you if they would have gotten a touchdown. I do

601
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 3: go back to the fourth down and you and I

602
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 3: talked about this with Wolf on Arizona Sports. You know,

603
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 3: you don't know, like you said that the Texans are

604
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 3: gonna get shut out, and and the real realistically, if

605
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 3: it wasn't for a tipped pass at Chris Barnes intercepts

606
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 3: and then Antonio Hamilton with a big interception, they probably

607
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 3: get second half points. So I don't I don't really

608
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 3: have a huge problem with with going for it. I

609
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 3: did think it was interesting when Drew Petsing was talking

610
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Speaker 3: about the fourth downs and if it says we have

611
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 3: a better chance to win fifty one percent to forty

612
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Speaker 3: nine percent to go for it, we're going to go

613
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Speaker 3: for it. That's that. Now he does say there's some

614
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 3: there's there's some gut and the flow of the game

615
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 3: and everything. But I think that's where this going. I

616
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,719
Speaker 3: think ultimately, I think when you crunch the numbers at

617
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Speaker 3: the points that they went for it on fourth down

618
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Speaker 3: the first two times, the last one they had to

619
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Speaker 3: the first two times, I think the numbers were saying, yeah,

620
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 3: Houston's gonna score again, so you bet you better go

621
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Speaker 3: for this.

622
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Speaker 2: But for the record, Jonathan gann and It said more

623
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Speaker 2: than once when asked about fourth downs, how much is analytics,

624
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Speaker 2: How much is your gut, you know? He said, it's

625
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 2: always a mix of both, how the game's trending, how

626
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Speaker 2: I'm feeling in the moment, what the analytics say now.

627
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Speaker 2: Dave pashto is a funny story in Arizona Sports that

628
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Speaker 2: he was doing in ESPN game recently and he was

629
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Speaker 2: on air saying, well, obviously you're gonna go for the

630
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Speaker 2: field goal in this situation. At that very moment, the

631
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Speaker 2: guys in the truck put a graphic on the screen

632
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 2: that said the analytics say go for it. So we said,

633
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 2: the analytics are always in the moment and updated and

634
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 2: at the disposal of head coaches in pro and college football,

635
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 2: and they're much more prone to following the analytics than

636
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 2: ever before. So even though can conentional wisdom and years

637
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 2: in condition, he would say no, kick the field goal

638
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 2: in this situation. Pash said, well, at that point, I

639
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 2: was proven wrong by the analytics, or at least supposedly

640
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 2: on the screen, and I had to acknowledge as much again.

641
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Speaker 3: And I said this to somebody in the mailbag this week,

642
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 3: if you because he was our upset about the going

643
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Speaker 3: for fourth downs, and he was like no other coach

644
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 3: in the league does this, and I'm like, well, first

645
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 3: of all, not true. Uh, Demiko Ryans did it before

646
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 3: Gannon did. On Sunday, he had a gimme field goal

647
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 3: and he didn't do it and they didn't get points.

648
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 3: But I also think that when it's funny that you

649
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 3: mentioned conventional wisdom, because conventional wisdom is going out the

650
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Speaker 3: window real quick.

651
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Speaker 2: Like maybe the better term is conventional conditioning, yes, because

652
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 2: we've all been conditioned because otherwise, because the.

653
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 3: Bottom line is where the sport is going and what

654
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 3: the numbers are saying, and it's saying go for these situations,

655
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 3: because ultimately, if you go, if even if you break,

656
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 3: if you go for twice on fourth down and two

657
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 3: different times and one of you scores a touchdown, that's

658
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 3: still you. You end up with seven points instead of

659
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 3: six from two field goals. It's just it's the same

660
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 3: concept of why there's so many more three pointers shot

661
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 3: in the NBA these days, because even if you shot

662
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 3: seven percent worse in outside the three point arc than

663
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 3: inside the three point arc, you're gaining a point on

664
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Speaker 3: everyone you make than what you would make inside.

665
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 2: It's just but then you have the argument, Okay, you

666
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 2: can shoot all the three pointers you want, but you

667
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 2: don't have Steph Curry on your team, So is that

668
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 2: in your best interest?

669
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 3: And and that play that absolutely plays into it. But

670
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 3: but for instance, let's take let's take the Cardinals. I'm

671
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 3: not gonna do the last fourth down because again that

672
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 3: was like a had to do the the first twoth

673
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 3: If Greg Dorch runs five yards downfield instead of right

674
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 3: at the stick and then comes back for the ball,

675
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 3: But can't.

676
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 2: I argue that the defense is always gonna guard the sticks.

677
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 3: You can argue that all you want.

678
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 2: I mean, we can say just run to the sticks.

679
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 2: But guess who's there the defender.

680
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 3: My guess is if you're Greg Dortsch and you start

681
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 3: sprinting upfield and you do it right, that defender is

682
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 3: gonna get wary of getting blown past and getting burned

683
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 3: for a touchdown on fourth and three, and that might

684
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 3: buy you just enough time to turn around, but you

685
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 3: gotta get you can't come back to the ball then

686
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 3: on the second So.

687
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 2: And by the way, after that filled fourth down to

688
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 2: dors where he got driven back, that was probably where

689
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 2: the emotions were the most raw on the sideline all game.

690
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 2: There was a lot of frustration with the sideline at

691
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 2: that moment.

692
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna argue he didn't get driven back. He

693
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 3: jumped back for the ball.

694
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,719
Speaker 2: Came back to the ball the ball Todd as a receiver.

695
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 3: That's fine, but then you better be beyond the sticks

696
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 3: when you start, because when you come back then you're

697
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 3: not in first down territory anymore. And maybe Kyler could

698
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 3: have gotten the ball a little sooner.

699
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 2: And when he declined media interviews, I wonder if it

700
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 2: had to do exclusively with that moment.

701
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 3: And it might. It might. I didn't even think about that.

702
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 3: And then the other one was the McBride play where

703
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 3: he was that's a first day. That was not the

704
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 3: wrong call. Kyler just threw a bad pass.

705
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 2: To me, it looked like Kyler my initial reaction to it.

706
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 2: I know he attributed it to poor footwork. Later to

707
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 2: me when I watched it in the moment, I said,

708
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 2: he overthrew it. It's a picture trying to overthrow.

709
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 3: Aim it instead of just throwing the ball.

710
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are two things pictures can't do. You can't

711
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 2: aim it and you can't overthrow it. And it looked

712
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 2: like he did both. Because I think in the moment

713
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 2: he's like, Oh my goodness, it's four down and he's

714
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 2: wide open. All I have to do is get it

715
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 2: to him. No, and it skips off the turf and

716
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 2: it's behind him and the whole deal which brings us

717
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 2: to Kyler Big picture, Danny. Here's here's the analogy I made.

718
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:47,919
Speaker 2: You might want to get the Bengo card out.

719
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 3: Can I started calling our big picture, Danny.

720
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Speaker 2: I like that the whole aspect of how do we

721
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 2: assess Kyler? Now, obviously everything he does is going to

722
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 2: be analyzed and dissected in the moment. Dare I say?

723
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 2: And when I say this, you know, I know it's

724
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,760
Speaker 2: not often, but let's just pump the brakes a little

725
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,919
Speaker 2: bit and let's look at the entire sample size, which

726
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 2: is gonna be eight games. And I made this analogy

727
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 2: over on Ktar the other afternoon. It was funny because

728
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 2: I heard it down the hallway and the other station

729
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 2: not long after. Interesting, but I made this analogy that

730
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 2: in the stock market, if you're gonna go buy a

731
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 2: blue chip stock, you know, you buy it and just

732
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 2: hang on to it. You're long the stock. You buy Apple, Amazon,

733
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 2: whatever you want to buy, but you don't check it

734
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 2: every single day or multiple times per day. It's gonna

735
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 2: be up, it's gonna be down, but hopefully at the

736
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 2: end of your time horizon five ten years, Hey, it's

737
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 2: a winner. Right, So that's the way I'm looking at

738
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 2: Kyler Murray right now. Yes, great first game, second game,

739
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 2: maybe not as much in certain areas obviously so now,

740
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 2: but guess what, you still have six games to go.

741
00:35:58,400 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 2: Let's look at it when we get to January.

742
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 4: Well, first of all, Paul, know your audience. If you're

743
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 4: gonna toss some to me, you cannot throw out with

744
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 4: stocks and numbers and expect me to follow what you're saying.

745
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 4: I think I get the gist of it. I think

746
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 4: I get the gist of what you're saying. I agree,

747
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 4: And that was why I felt so strongly against some

748
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 4: of the national reports saying that it was smart for

749
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 4: Kyler to not play all year as he recovered from

750
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 4: his injury. You have too much to figure out with

751
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 4: these games, and eight games is a good amount. At

752
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 4: the same time, doesn't feel like a lot, and you

753
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 4: need to get a good grasp on what he does

754
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,240
Speaker 4: well the things he doesn't do well. Do you feel

755
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 4: like you can help coach him and turn those things around.

756
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 4: Is he the right leader at the franchise quarterback you want?

757
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 4: There's a new staff, a new front office. There's too

758
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 4: many questions. I am with you that just because it

759
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 4: wasn't as good of a game and they didn't win,

760
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Speaker 4: I'm not sitting here saying week one to week two,

761
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 4: Kyler regressed and it didn't look good, and you know,

762
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 4: start questioning his ability. I don't feel like that at all.

763
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 4: I think Kyler made some good plays. I think to

764
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Speaker 4: a certain extent, kept them in the game when you

765
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 4: were down twenty one to ten at half. Sometimes this

766
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 4: just happens. I would still like to see I think

767
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:22,280
Speaker 4: really on the interceptions, there clearly needs to be better

768
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 4: communication on the routes that are being run and when

769
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 4: he wants a receiver to sit or when he doesn't.

770
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Speaker 4: And I think when it comes to the accurate deep ball,

771
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 4: I like that Kyler is taking those shots early on

772
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 4: in his return. It needs to be a little more power, maybe,

773
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 4: you know, a little quicker to get the ball out.

774
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 4: There are little things that I would still like to

775
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 4: see improve the next couple of weeks, but I'm still

776
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 4: impressed with what we've seen from him.

777
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 5: The first two games, and we've.

778
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Speaker 2: Had several people cite, you know, his footwork, that he

779
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 2: has such insane arm talent that he's gotten away with

780
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,280
Speaker 2: average footwork in the past, dirty feet, as the coaches

781
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 2: will call it the way. So, okay, you know how

782
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 2: much improvement can be made in that department? How soon?

783
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 2: You know? Can you do it from one week to

784
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 2: the next during the course of the regular season. But

785
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 2: whether it's been rich Gannon or brock Heward on Arizona

786
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 2: Sports former quarterback, you know what I mean, it's a

787
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 2: lot of different people at Kyle Vannenbosch. You even talked

788
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 2: about it. You know, in some of those throws, maybe

789
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 2: the feet aren't even pointed towards the target some of

790
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 2: the basics because he has such great arm talent, he's

791
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 2: gotten away with that in the past, and maybe that

792
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 2: leads to some of the inconsistency, which to me just

793
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 2: leads to the bigger question ultimately, when we get to

794
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 2: January and you have a brand new coaching staff and

795
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 2: a new GM and it's not whether Kyler's a talented quarterback.

796
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 2: Obviously he is, and he's a number one pick for

797
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 2: a reason. I think the bigger question is is he

798
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:57,240
Speaker 2: a great fit for this scheme? For example, Josh Dobbs

799
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 2: was under center a lot more obviously when he was

800
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 2: a car starting quarterback, but he also has wheels. He's

801
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 2: very mobile quarterback. So all right, because if this is

802
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 2: this Drew Petsing scheme came from the Browns and Kevin Stefanski,

803
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 2: that's obviously predominantly under center and a heavy run scheme.

804
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 2: Nobody runs it like the Browns and James Connor has

805
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 2: that capability. But I think, ultimately, I think you have

806
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 2: to figure out, you know, where is the fit, where

807
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 2: is the sweet spot between the scheme and Kyler's skill set,

808
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 2: between his past and what he's used to and what

809
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 2: you want to do going forward. Does that make sense?

810
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it makes a lot of sense. We just

811
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 3: don't know a lot of the details. Like, for instance,

812
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 3: when Drew Petsing was talking about this week about Kyler's footwork,

813
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 3: he made it sound like Kyler's pretty nailed, pretty much

814
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 3: nailed it already, So you know, I don't know. I

815
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 3: don't know if that's a coach taking up for a

816
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 3: player publicly and they're still working on stuff or what

817
00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 3: that is.

818
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if the coach doesn't want it, coach

819
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 2: player up in the press, I get it. So you know,

820
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 2: I'm not exactly sure, but you know, you're taking on

821
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 2: a RAMS team on Sunday, and I'm real curious to

822
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 2: see how Kyler comes out, because according to Jonathan again,

823
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 2: and he wanted to play the next day. If he's calling,

824
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 2: if he's talking coach zero off on the plane and

825
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 2: calling him during the drive home after a two and

826
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 2: a half three hour playing flight home and he's on

827
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 2: the horn with the head coach again during the drive home,

828
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 2: obviously it's front burner for Kyler Murray, right, So I'm

829
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 2: curious how he responds, and I think I think Gannon

830
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 2: and the staff want to know how he responds, because

831
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 2: even the great Patrick mahomes and look at Josh Allen

832
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 2: at some really bad games, and he responded and he rebounded.

833
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 2: That's what you know. That's what the elite franchise, highly

834
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,760
Speaker 2: paid quarterbacks do. It's not seventeen games of elite quarterback play.

835
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 2: But when it isn't, you figure out how to correct

836
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 2: it and you respond the next week.

837
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 4: That's part of it. That's part of the growth. I

838
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 4: think that was probably part of the growth for Kyler

839
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 4: at this point in his career, not even related to

840
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 4: the knee injury. And it was nice to hear from

841
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 4: Gannon because I'd asked that on Monday in the press

842
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 4: conference of there's been a lot of learning about Kyler

843
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 4: throughout this process of watching film and practicing and the scheme.

844
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 4: But what has he learned about Kyler through two mondays

845
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 4: after win and a loss of how he digests everything?

846
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 4: And that was when Gannon was talking about how Kyler

847
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 4: will watch the film on the plane, then he'll watch

848
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 4: the film with his offensive coordinator, and then he'll go

849
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 4: to jg and then he'll call him for more to

850
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 4: the point where Jagie's like, you know, Kyler, like I

851
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,439
Speaker 4: got to get into my health, Like I'm at the gate.

852
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 4: I gotta get in. But that's what you want from

853
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 4: a quarterback, and we've known that Kyler is competitive. I

854
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 4: would expect to see maybe a chip on his shoulder

855
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 4: coming off. If he's gonna take the loss as heavily

856
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 4: as he did and put a lot of that on him,

857
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 4: I would expect him to come out with a vengeance,

858
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 4: not necessy against anybody but himself. But that's what I

859
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 4: would expect based on what we know from Kyler.

860
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 2: By the way, I broke the golden rule on the

861
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:13,720
Speaker 2: sideline in Houston, dal shalt not cover another team's draft picks.

862
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 2: And I'm not talking about Will Anderson.

863
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 4: Or c J.

864
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,760
Speaker 2: Stroud. And by the way, c J. Stroud is a dude,

865
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 2: is he not?

866
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 3: Yes?

867
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 2: I mean when players walk by on the sideline and

868
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 2: then I point to number seven, they go legit. I

869
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 2: mean players, no players, and a lot of Cardinals were

870
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 2: really impressed by c J. Strout, especially that strike right

871
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 2: before halftime on the move forty yards on the money

872
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 2: tank dell ridiculous catch. But the guy was looking at

873
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 2: was Derek Stingley Junior that corner, Mike, he's two right,

874
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 2: two years in, but he was a top five pick.

875
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,800
Speaker 2: He's actually taken ahead of Sauce Gardner, which was probably

876
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 2: a mistake. It's funny how the Houston's on either side

877
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 2: of that right, they took c J. Stroud after Bryce Young.

878
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,320
Speaker 2: They're thankful for that this Thanksgiving holiday, but they probably

879
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,720
Speaker 2: took the wrong corner of the year before obviously, although

880
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 2: Derek singleing was the only injuries and he had some

881
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 2: moments anyway, he looks the part six foot ridiculously Athletic

882
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 2: had that great, you know, ballhawk interception against Hollywood Brown

883
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 2: early in the game. But it's hard not to look

884
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 2: at him and say, Okay, what would a talented top

885
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 2: ten corner do for this defense going forward? Because that

886
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 2: obviously could be on the radar come April.

887
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I would think time. I would think it's

888
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 3: definitely going to be on the radar. We're gonna we're

889
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,879
Speaker 3: going to see cornerback on the radar. I think we're

890
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 3: going to see wide receiver on the radar.

891
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 2: And do you really think you think we see over

892
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 2: D line and O line?

893
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 3: You think, no, no, no, no. I was getting to the look.

894
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 3: I was getting the line. But I think receiver is

895
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 3: absolutely going to be in the mix. For what we

896
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 3: talked about already in terms of the size thing.

897
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know if you were talking about one,

898
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 4: no specific receiver.

899
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 3: I do not think this team is going to draft

900
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison, even if they have a chance to, because

901
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 3: I think they either take a cornerback or they or

902
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 3: they go with alignment.

903
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, I think you know, if they in

904
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 2: up top five, top seven, whatever, yes, you're getting corner

905
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 2: or lineman. And then and then if Houston's around number

906
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 2: twenty or whatever, if you went with, oh, I don't know,

907
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 2: Roma Dunese from Washington, the guy who's six to three

908
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 2: and runs a four to three five, I'll take him.

909
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 3: That's the other thing is like, this is such it's

910
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 3: shaping up to be such a deep wide receiver draft

911
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 3: class with some ultra talented guys that you're going to

912
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 3: be able to get later in the first round, early

913
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 3: in the second round, which obviously the Cardinals are going

914
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 3: to have a pick up there too, So there's no way.

915
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 3: I don't I don't think Marvin Harrison has any chance

916
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 3: of being on this team. So I'm sorry if I'm

917
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 3: letting everybody down now because you're all disappointed. But I

918
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 3: absolutely believe it's either going to be a corner or

919
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 3: an offense or defensive linement for that first pick.

920
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 4: I will say based off the cornerback discussion, because we

921
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 4: know what the fans are thinking. We see it on

922
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 4: Twitter and a lot of fans want to call out

923
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 4: one particular player in Marco Wilson. My question is, we

924
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 4: have praised this staff for what they've done with this defense.

925
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 4: That's JG. That's sink rawlis that is all the position coaches.

926
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 4: Sunday was a great example. You had a bad first half,

927
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 4: Houston put up more than three hundred total yards. You

928
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 4: make some adjustments, you keep them scoreless eighty six yards,

929
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 4: you end up with three interceptions, a great turnaround. To

930
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 4: a certain extent, shouldn't we trust that this staff knows

931
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 4: what they're doing in terms of when you're looking at

932
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 4: the cornerback depth, which is not really there. If you're

933
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 4: going to keep starting Marco Wilson and you've been rotating

934
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 4: between Key Troll Clark, Starling Thomas, Antonio Hamilton, there's probably

935
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 4: a reason that when you're looking at what you have,

936
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 4: Marco Wilson is still out there. I'm not saying he

937
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 4: has had a great year. I'm not saying that by

938
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 4: any means. I'm saying that if you're gonna call online

939
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 4: and say, hey, why are they doing this, this and this,

940
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 4: who else do you have at the moment.

941
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 3: Well, obviously there's a lot of people that want to

942
00:45:58,160 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 3: see Key Troll Clark. But I thought it was interesting

943
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 3: seeing when Nick Rolis was talking answering your question about.

944
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 2: Why I tried, I didn't no, but see I think

945
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 2: I tried.

946
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 3: I think you did, because that's really the first time

947
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 3: where Nick Raalis said this. But anything of concrete usually

948
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 3: it's like, well, they're working on it, they're going to

949
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 3: be back. Nick Rolis said he's working, he's he wasn't specific.

950
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 3: He said he's got some things he needs to work on,

951
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 3: and then he said, but I'm going to keep that

952
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 3: between me and Key Trell, which to me tells me

953
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 3: that there's obviously something significant that he's not doing to

954
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 3: get playing time. And it can't be anything run of

955
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 3: the mill because the coaches doesn't want to talk about it.

956
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 3: And that doesn't mean a lot with his coaching staff,

957
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 3: because I don't think they want to talk about anything

958
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 3: if they can get away with it. But I do

959
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 3: think that there's two parts to this. And now, I

960
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 3: mean Antonio Hamilton laid on the turf for like a

961
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 3: minute or two after that interception, not moving at all.

962
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 2: He was in serious pain, so I got carted off.

963
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 3: It sure feels like they're gonna be short a cornerback.

964
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 3: You're almost gonna have to use Key Trouck Clark, and

965
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 3: that means Marco Wilson isn't going anywhere Anyways, That's why.

966
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 2: I asked about Key Trull Clark. I'm like, what else

967
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 2: where else are you gonna go? At this point? Who

968
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 2: else do you have at your disposal?

969
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 4: If you're Nick rollis, do you change things up and

970
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 4: see what Garrett Williams can do outside?

971
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 2: Maybe it's a great observation, You're right, maybe.

972
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 3: Or or I mean you you still have the ability

973
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,240
Speaker 3: and it's not uncommon for cornerbacks. You have the ability

974
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 3: to play Marco and Starling Thomas one hundred percent of

975
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,280
Speaker 3: the snaps out there. Yeah, and that's happened many times.

976
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 3: I mean, and you could just go with five five

977
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 3: defensive backs, uh and and maybe give him a breather

978
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 3: here there with with Andre But like other than.

979
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 2: That, yeah, that's true. I mean, you know, but if.

980
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,240
Speaker 3: Key Truck Clark can't get on the on the field

981
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 3: for some defensive snaps, now, if Hamilton's down, that's not

982
00:47:59,000 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 3: a great sign.

983
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,720
Speaker 2: Well and look, Cooper Cup last game out Week six

984
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 2: seven for a touchdown, and he's had success against the

985
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 2: Cardinals and Marco Wilson. But what is he playing, Papper Cup?

986
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's playing or not.

987
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 3: He's so I don't know.

988
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 2: I don't know, but you know, and if he isn't,

989
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 2: then you still have Pooka Nakua.

990
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:18,959
Speaker 4: I was waiting for you to say his name.

991
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 2: Wolf was rehearsing, like what's going on at to two

992
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 2: at well? Who's there? Greg Dortch?

993
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 3: You know?

994
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: So?

995
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 2: Uh. By the way, Dave Pash is still on the

996
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 2: not A watch list for a comments he made detrimental

997
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 2: to two out Wells expense from week six. Just to

998
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 2: let you know the National Association.

999
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 5: Of Them member.

1000
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 4: You don't forget much.

1001
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 3: It's on.

1002
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 2: It's right here, it's on the list. I have it

1003
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,399
Speaker 2: in my l A Rams game notes from a week

1004
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 2: six pass Clay Grin offender big all X next to

1005
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 2: Pash's name right there.

1006
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 3: So arians from Paul.

1007
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 2: That's right Thanksgiving holiday, you know, forget Thanksgiving, it's there.

1008
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 2: It's it's Festivus. It's the airing of grievances. Danny doesn't

1009
00:48:58,239 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 2: get that one.

1010
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 4: I sure do, thank you. I'm telling you my dad

1011
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 4: has watched every episode.

1012
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 5: Could probably you don't. I would watch this.

1013
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, not all of them, but like the main ones.

1014
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:09,720
Speaker 5: Like those.

1015
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 2: Did you guys know that that female turkey's cackle? Only

1016
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,800
Speaker 2: male turkeys actually gobble, which is why they are aptly

1017
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 2: named gobblers.

1018
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 4: Did you just google turkey facts.

1019
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 2: Right, here's a good one. Yes, frozen TV dinners were

1020
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 2: actually brought about by mistake. A Swanson employee accidentally ordered

1021
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 2: two hundred and sixty tons of turkey for Thanksgiving in

1022
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 2: nineteen fifty three. So Swans has said, think fast, Hey,

1023
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 2: let's sell them as frozen dinners. And there you go.

1024
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 2: That's how the idea was born. See, every great idea

1025
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 2: comes out of what a need, and that's what Swanson had.

1026
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 3: I I feel like that was like the perfect I mean,

1027
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 3: but I just want to throw in there, like how

1028
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 3: you feel about Kaizer White and Lucky Fotu going on ir.

1029
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,479
Speaker 2: Oh boy, that was tough. Yeah, Lucky Lucky was having

1030
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 2: a a good game. And you know what when you

1031
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 2: when you see it's so disappointing because when you see

1032
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 2: a dude and he's a dude at six six three

1033
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 2: point thirty something and he's just got like a small

1034
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 2: bone in his hand that's busted. Yeah, you're like, goy. Right,

1035
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 2: it's like a mac truck that is immobilized because it's

1036
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 2: got a bad side view mirror, right, Like it doesn't

1037
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 2: make sense, you know. So, but based on the fact

1038
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 2: you have to use your hands as a defensive lineman

1039
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 2: and the wrist, any further injury or permanent injury, you know,

1040
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 2: it looks like he can't play with that injury. So

1041
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 2: that's disappointing.

1042
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,919
Speaker 4: And Kaiser White had played every snap up until that point.

1043
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 4: In fact, he played five or six snaps after tearing

1044
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 4: his bicet.

1045
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 3: We actually, uh, the great Zach Gershman actually did some

1046
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:52,720
Speaker 3: video replay studying and he says it was probably closer

1047
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 3: to ten or eleven snaps, Oh Jesus, that Kaizer White played.

1048
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 3: And you can you can absolutely see it like he

1049
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 3: probably shouldn't have been out there because he was basically

1050
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 3: being ragged all around because he couldn't use an arm.

1051
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 2: Well and Johnathangann and so they said, man, you know,

1052
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 2: we didn't even notice it right away obviously, you know, otherwise, uh,

1053
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,439
Speaker 2: you know, and and it's just it's amazing. But when

1054
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,879
Speaker 2: he came to the sideline, I had that fear based

1055
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 2: on where they were looking. And we've seen enough guys

1056
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 2: go out over the years of the biceps injury, especially

1057
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 2: a linebacker because you're getting your arms out, you know,

1058
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 2: out to your side, trying to corral ball carriers and

1059
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 2: so forth.

1060
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:39,919
Speaker 4: So so that's biceps three Cardinals zero okay, Carlos Walkins right, yes,

1061
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 4: white right, Oh my goodness.

1062
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,760
Speaker 3: You know what yourself when you're at the gym, Danny, I'm.

1063
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 2: Going to call the Butterball Turkey talk line and ask

1064
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 2: him about biceps injuries. What he kind of responds, Maybe

1065
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 2: we'll get.

1066
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 5: Some good advice to take you a long time.

1067
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 2: Right, Actually, I'll text him instead. Yeah, it'll be good,

1068
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,280
Speaker 2: it'll be good. They have twenty four hour text message.

1069
00:51:58,320 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 4: I don't know they get green text message.

1070
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:04,879
Speaker 2: His Paul, Wait, wait, what does that mean? As as

1071
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 2: he calls it a podcaster. Cardinal's Underground brought to you

1072
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 2: by Pacific Office Automation