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In a series like. 40 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 2: This, when the team on the road steals, the home 41 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 2: court advantage is typically where the series is decided the 42 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 2: team that wins. If you're the home team and you win, 43 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 2: you go up three to one, all of a sudden, 44 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 2: it's just too big of a deficit for you to overcome. 45 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 2: And then if you're the better team and you have 46 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 2: home court advantage and you steal that game back in 47 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 2: game four, it's two to two, but you have all 48 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,239 Speaker 2: the momentum. You only need two more wins, and two 49 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 2: of the last three games are in your home building. 50 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 2: And so this game is always the pivot point for 51 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 2: most playoff series and the thunder when push comes to shove. 52 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 2: Nobody seems to be able to score against this team, 53 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 2: and that's what I will always remember about them. We're 54 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 2: gonna break down this game from the perspective of both teams. 55 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:48,679 Speaker 2: At the tail end of the show, we're gonna have 56 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 2: Jackson come on the show and we're gonna take questions 57 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 2: from the chat so that you guys that have questions 58 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 2: want to get into any specific details or angles on 59 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 2: the series, you can bring them to the chat comments 60 00:02:58,120 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 2: for the tail. 61 00:02:58,560 --> 00:02:58,959 Speaker 3: End of the show. 62 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 2: And then remember when we wrap up here tonight, we're 63 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 2: gonna be heading over to Playback that's playback dot tv 64 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 2: slash Hoops tonight and we'll be taking callers. We'll watch 65 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 2: some film, we'll dig into what happened in that crazy 66 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 2: game tonight. You guys know the drill before we get started. 67 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 2: Subscribe to the Hoops and I YouTube channel. You don't 68 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 2: miss any more of our videos. Follow me on Twitter, underscore, JCNLTS. 69 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 2: You guys don't misshow announcements Sti't forget about our podcast 70 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 2: feed where we get your podcast on Hoops Tonight. It's 71 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 2: also super helpful if you leave a rating and a 72 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 2: review on that front. Jackson's doing great work on our 73 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 2: social media feeds Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, and TikTok. Make sure 74 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 2: you guys follow us there. Now that's spent at least, 75 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 2: Like I mentioned earlier, drop those mail bag questions in 76 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 2: the chat and we'll get to them at the tail 77 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 2: end of the show. All right, let's talk some basketball. 78 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 2: So I have been pretty consistent with this Thunder team 79 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 2: in this postseason run that the true star of this team, 80 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 2: the strength of this team. The thing that I will 81 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 2: remember most about this team is their defense. I thought 82 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 2: Jadubb had an awesome game tonight, especially relative to his 83 00:03:55,800 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 2: age and experience, provided some pretty steady scoring for TEA 84 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 2: that was struggling to score, especially throughout the middle portions 85 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 2: of this game. But I thought Shay was a disaster 86 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 2: the majority of the game. I thought he looked generally 87 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 2: disengaged and extremely fatigued, to the point where like I 88 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 2: was like starting to wonder if there was something bigger 89 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 2: going on, like he was sick or something along those lines. 90 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 2: And he made some plays late in the game, which 91 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 2: we're going to discuss, But this team was dead in 92 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 2: the water and unable to score when they needed to, 93 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,919 Speaker 2: even in that fourth quarter for the most part. But 94 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 2: we saw a similar thing take place in the Denver 95 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,679 Speaker 2: series in the second round, where it's the fourth quarter, 96 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 2: Denver's up, it's Game four, They're on the verge of 97 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 2: taking a three to one lead in the series. But 98 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 2: something happened from that point forward through the end of 99 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 2: Game four against Denver. The Denver Nuggets led by the 100 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:53,239 Speaker 2: greatest offensive player I've ever personally watched in Nikole Jokic, 101 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 2: and they couldn't score. They couldn't score. The series was 102 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 2: on the line, it was hanging in the balance, and 103 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 2: they couldn't score, even when Denver managed to pull out 104 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 2: a Game six to send it back to Oklahoma City 105 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 2: for Game seven. What happened in Game seven, the Nuggets 106 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 2: couldn't score. They couldn't even get the ball to Jokics 107 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 2: where they needed to get it to come into this series, 108 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 2: the Pacers kind of methodically generating quality shots even throughout 109 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 2: the game tonight, like they had at least twenty five. 110 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 3: Points in every quarter through the first three quarters. Throughout 111 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 3: the series. 112 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:30,239 Speaker 2: Have talked about how the Pacers have shown some ability 113 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 2: to be able to break down the defense as long 114 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 2: as they don't turn it over. And in this fourth quarter, 115 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 2: when everything was hanging in the balance, I think the 116 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 2: Pacers led by as much as seven or eight in 117 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 2: the fourth quarter if I remember correctly, they couldn't score. 118 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 2: When it came time to be able to pull this 119 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 2: series into a three to one lead, in a situation 120 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 2: where they would be probably favored in Vegas to win 121 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 2: at that point, they couldn't score. And that's what I 122 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 2: remember about this Thunder team. They can leverage them selves 123 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 2: athletically in a way that Indiana can't match. They can 124 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 2: leverage themselves athletically as a team defensively that nobody in 125 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 2: the league can match, even the best and most reliable offenses. 126 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 2: Denver had the best offensive player possibly in the history 127 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 2: of the game. 128 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 3: Couldn't score. 129 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 2: Indiana has the second or third best offensive engine in 130 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 2: the NBA, surrounded by a good amount of cumulative ball 131 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 2: handling and shooting ability. Couldn't score. That's where it all 132 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 2: comes down to. I talked a lot after Game three. 133 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 2: If you guys remember, in all the content that we 134 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 2: produced over the last few days, I explained to you 135 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 2: guys why I still had Oklahoma City as the team 136 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 2: I expected to win the series. I said, they win 137 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 2: game four. I said they win Game five. I said 138 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 2: they'd win one of game six or seven. So Oklahoma 139 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 2: City and six or seven. And if you guys remember, 140 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 2: the specific thing I said was that Oklahoma City had 141 00:06:56,200 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 2: two semi reliable actions they could run to be able 142 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 2: to generate offense when things really bogged down and everything's. 143 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 3: On the line. 144 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 2: I said, Shae attacking turner and pick and roll, which 145 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 2: is not what they went to down the stretch of 146 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 2: this game. And then Shae ISOs, which is exactly what 147 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 2: they went to down the stretch of this game. Those 148 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 2: were two actions that no matter what Indiana does, Oklahoma 149 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 2: City can either get a good shot for Shay that 150 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 2: he can make, or draw a double team that leads 151 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 2: to some sort of quality look, and we saw an 152 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 2: example of that where Nemhar dug down on Shae and 153 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 2: got kicked to JDub. Jdubb drove the close out and 154 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 2: ended up generating a wide open three for Shae on 155 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 2: the right wing. But ultimately Oklahoma City, when things really 156 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 2: bogged down, had a couple of things they could go 157 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 2: to that were gonna generate good looks for Indiana. On 158 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 2: the other end, Dort is flying over the top of 159 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 2: screens and not allowing Tyres to free up. They finally 160 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 2: get a good screen and he gets switched on to 161 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 2: Chet and he's able to go to a step back three. 162 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 2: But it's a step back three versus Chet. That's not 163 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 2: a super high percentage look. The Pacers throughout this series 164 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 2: have established a lot of cumulative success through their ball pressure, 165 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 2: fatiguing Oklahoma City's ball handlers. I underrated. If there was 166 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 2: one thing that I underrated in terms of Indiana's chances 167 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 2: to win this series, it's that Oklahoma City is really 168 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 2: light on ball handling, even though they're super talented roster. 169 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 2: Their talent comes in the form of quickness, athleticism, defense, 170 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 2: a lot of different things that aren't necessarily dribbling the 171 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 2: basketball in high level playmaking, and so they've been more 172 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 2: susceptible to Indiana's ball pressure. 173 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 3: They've been more. 174 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 2: Susceptible to fatigue as Indiana's ball pressure has worn them down. 175 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 2: But that weakness made this series more competitive. But even 176 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 2: throughout that, as Indiana had their moments, as they got 177 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 2: their offense going in various ways at various points in 178 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 2: the series, they never established one single action or play 179 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 2: type that they could go to that's like, this is 180 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 2: going to get us a good shot. Every single time 181 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 2: the tyres ball screens, it's like, well, what if Dort 182 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,439 Speaker 2: just doesn't get screened, or if they switch. Now it's 183 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,959 Speaker 2: a Tyrese iso. We're not getting anything super reliable out 184 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 2: of that. Siakim has had moments attacking out of the 185 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,959 Speaker 2: post in the series, it hasn't been something that has 186 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 2: been super reliable generating great shots. They tried the Tyree 187 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 2: Siakam two man game at various points they can. 188 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 3: Switch it, there have not. 189 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:38,319 Speaker 2: There the Pacers never established anything that they could really 190 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 2: really depend on. Down the stretch, we saw a steady 191 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 2: diet of Shaye JDub two man game. One of the 192 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 2: interesting subplots of the series is you know, we talked 193 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 2: about going in how like we didn't really get any 194 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 2: opportunity to see Nie Smith spend some extensive time on 195 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 2: Shay and Carlisle ended up making the right decision in 196 00:09:57,760 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 2: going with Nemhart in this series, and Nemhart has done 197 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 2: an incredible job on Shae. 198 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 3: Throughout the series. 199 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 2: JDub has spent the majority excuse me, Nie Smith has 200 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 2: spent the majority of the series on JDub, and JDub 201 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 2: has cooked his ass, just cooked him and down the stretch, 202 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 2: instead of having JDub go at Nie Smith, they just 203 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 2: ran two man game to get Nie Smith switched on 204 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 2: to Shay, and Shay cooked him. Now, I have some 205 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 2: frustrations about the specific manner with which these situations led 206 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 2: to points, which we'll go get to in a minute, 207 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 2: but it wouldn't have mattered anyway. With how good Oklahoma 208 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 2: City's defense was, they were gonna win this game. But 209 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:41,199 Speaker 2: they were able to get a triple threat ISO against 210 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 2: Nie Smith where he had his arm on Shae's left arm, 211 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,199 Speaker 2: and so Shay took a non basketball shot and got 212 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 2: rewarded with two points for it. 213 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 3: Then they went to that. 214 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 2: Another ISO off of the right wing, Nemhard pinches down 215 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 2: and gets kicked back to jdb JDub drives to close out. 216 00:10:58,120 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 3: Both guys react. 217 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 2: It's a wide open three for Shay, but that wide 218 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 2: open three was generated by Shay because of his ability 219 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 2: to draw the second defender in an ISO against Nie 220 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 2: Smith and then the pushoff there along the baseline once 221 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 2: again a bucket against Nie Smith, and then the step 222 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 2: through move. I actually thought Nie Smith played really good 223 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 2: defense on this possession and kind of bailed Shay out 224 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:19,959 Speaker 2: about Shay also traveled on the possession, so it was 225 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 2: again kind of a questionable call, but all of the 226 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 2: buckets down the stretch were Shay going at Nie Smith. 227 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 2: They had a reliable action, They had something they could run. 228 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 2: Shay is capable of getting his one on one game 229 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 2: off against the majority of the guys on this roster, 230 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 2: but he found a specific matchup in Indy starting five 231 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 2: in their closing five that he liked to attack, and 232 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 2: he was able to get the buckets that he needed 233 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 2: to put his team in position to win the game 234 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 2: on the strength of their defense. Another huge element I 235 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 2: thought in the fourth quarter of this game was the 236 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 2: offensive rebounding of Chet Holmgren and Isaiah Hartenstein. We had 237 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 2: a boatload of free throws down the stretch. So Oklahoma 238 00:11:57,679 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 2: City ended up with thirty one points, but it wasn't 239 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 2: at as easy breezy for them scoring throughout the majority 240 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 2: of the fourth quarter. I thought Shaye and Jada was 241 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 2: pretty good throughout the night, but I thought Shaye played 242 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 2: pretty shitty half court offense the majority of the night, 243 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 2: and there were a lot of misses in there. And 244 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 2: in those misses, time and time again, Chet would just 245 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 2: come flying and off that left wing for offensive rebound 246 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 2: put backs. He had I think two that led to 247 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 2: direct buckets, one where he taffed it out, in another 248 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 2: Shaye ended up getting a bucket off of the tap out, 249 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 2: and then Hartenstein had an offensive rebound put back just 250 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 2: by my count, eight second chance points for the thunder 251 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 2: in that fourth quarter that bolstered their offense when they 252 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 2: needed it. So like when push comes to shove, when 253 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 2: I think about this series, when I think about this team, 254 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 2: when I think about them winning the championship, the best 255 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 2: attribute to this team is their defense. When push comes 256 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 2: to shove and it's time for them to win, team, 257 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 2: they just tightened the screws and teams can't score, and 258 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 2: they were able to dominate the margins. Those huge offensive 259 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 2: rebounds from Chet and Isaiah Hartenstein in the fourth quarter, 260 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 2: the steals at half court. Dork got another big one 261 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 2: down the stretch where he drew a foul. How many 262 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 2: times in this game, like four or five times where 263 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 2: they ripped a pacer usually Halliburton right at half court. 264 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 2: Almost every one of them led to buckets. We pulled 265 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 2: the points off of turnovers here real quick. Yeah, we 266 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 2: had on sixteen pacer turnovers twenty five points for the 267 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 2: thunder going the other way. That's a huge margin there. 268 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 2: The grifting drives me crazy, but it's a way to 269 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 2: win basketball games in the modern NBA. Like we could 270 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 2: talk all we want, it got rewarded in this game, 271 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 2: and it's generally been rewarded. There have been a couple 272 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 2: of like lane line bump fouls that Shay's gone for 273 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 2: in the series that he hasn't gotten, but there's ultimately 274 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 2: that's a margin. It's a competitive margin, and it's a 275 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 2: margin that Shay's really good at, and that has been 276 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 2: a big part of how they were able to overcome 277 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 2: a lot of mediocre half court offense in this game. 278 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,319 Speaker 2: Looking forward, as we talk about how this series progresses, 279 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 2: do I think this has a good chance to go seven? Yeah, 280 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 2: because Indiana, especially in a non urgent situation for the 281 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 2: Thunder where they're up three to two, Indiana at home 282 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 2: is going to be tough to beat, like in that 283 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 2: sort of situation. So I think the series has a 284 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 2: decent chance to go seven. But whenever it happens, whether 285 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 2: it's Game five and the Pacers play hard and keep 286 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 2: things close, but there's five minutes left and the thunderneed 287 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 2: to tighten the screws, or whether it's in Game six 288 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter, it inevitably ends up in a 289 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 2: Game seven in the fourth quarter when it really comes 290 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 2: down to this next four to five minute stretch is 291 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 2: going to determine who wins the finals. Oklahoma City is 292 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 2: going to tighten the screws in Indiana is not gonna 293 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 2: be able to score, and that ultimately is what is 294 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 2: what makes them the champion when it's all and done, 295 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 2: and that's ultimately why I think Oklahoma City's gonna win. 296 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 2: It's the guards and their unwillingness to get screened, the 297 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 2: physical switching. As bad as Shay was tonight. I thought 298 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 2: he was very good defensively in the second half. Got 299 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 2: a huge block on a step back three at the 300 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 2: top of the key, had some steals and poke aways, 301 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 2: like an over the top steal on a post entry. 302 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 2: Even Shay gets involved in what they do defensively. Chet 303 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 2: home grin Chet's ability to switch in ball screens and like, yeah, 304 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 2: Halliburn's got him a few times in the series, got 305 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 2: him with a little scoop shot there in the fourth quarter. 306 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 2: But for the most part, Chet's ability to switch on 307 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 2: to the perimeter and have success there makes their defense 308 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 2: kind of impregnable in a lot of ways because their 309 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 2: guards don't get screened, and if they happen to get screened, 310 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 2: they can switch just about anything. And that's the foundational 311 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 2: trait that makes this Thunder team a championship level team. 312 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 2: Before we get to our mailbags, the grifty stuff at 313 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 2: the end, I have to just speak up for just 314 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 2: a second here to be clear, the Thunder won this 315 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 2: game with their defense. The Thunder would have won this game. 316 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 2: I believe even if these of one or two of 317 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 2: these fouls didn't go Oklahoma City's direction. But one of 318 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 2: the things I've talked about is with grifting. It's about 319 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 2: the television product. I have no problem with Shake Gilders 320 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 2: Alexander taking advantage of competitive advantages that are available to him. So, 321 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 2: for instance, if you're standing in the NBA and the 322 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 2: guy's got his hand on his shoulder, like like just 323 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 2: sitting there on Shay's right shoulder, and you just go 324 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 2: up and you like you're standing there in that position, 325 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 2: you should just go up and throw your arms into 326 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 2: his arm and try to shoot. Why because it's gonna 327 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 2: get rewarded with points and so you're just taking advantage 328 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 2: of a competitive advantage that's available to you. But it's 329 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 2: not a good basketball shot. That shouldn't be a shot. 330 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 2: It should just be a foul, Like if a guy's 331 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 2: gonna put his hands on you like that. First of all, 332 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 2: it's kind of ridiculous considering how much handsiness takes place 333 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 2: in every single one of these possessions. Look it out, handsy. 334 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 2: Oklahoma City was on defense in the fourth quarter. But like, 335 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 2: we don't want to see the finals get decided on 336 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 2: a non basketball shot at the elbow. We don't want 337 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 2: to see the finals get decided by Nie Smith sliding 338 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 2: his feet well, in his Super Bowl super physical possession 339 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 2: that literally led to Shaye traveling and him going into 340 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 2: like a step through floater and bailing him out over 341 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 2: some light forearm contact. And by the way, if that's 342 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 2: the one call, no one's gonna care. That sort of 343 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 2: thing is gonna happen here or there throughout the Finals. 344 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:39,239 Speaker 2: But like that, in conjunction with the uh uh, with 345 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 2: that little touch on the step through, I thought Halli 346 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 2: Burton got fouled worse on his drive, the one that 347 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 2: he went into the lane than shaded on his little 348 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 2: hand on the shoulder thing, and then the push offf 349 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 2: there right along the baseline. Like if Shae has iconic 350 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 2: playoff moments where he hits big big shots getting separation 351 00:17:56,440 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 2: from defenders, it'll go on historic playoff highlight reel that 352 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 2: everyone will remember for all time. But when you see 353 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 2: a guy like, straight up like doing the same grifty 354 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 2: bullshit that he's been doing all season to win a 355 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 2: finals game, it's not a fun television product. It's not 356 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 2: fun to watch, and it just kind of was a buzzkill. 357 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 2: You know, Jackson and I were talking in the middle 358 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 2: of the fourth quarter. This was one of the most 359 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 2: entertaining NBA Finals that we've ever seen. But my biggest 360 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:28,959 Speaker 2: fear in general with Oklahoma City and their success is 361 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 2: just the that grifty bullshit and how it just makes 362 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 2: for an ugly television product. And I wasn't a huge 363 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 2: fan of that. Down the stretch. It just kind of 364 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 2: just kind of felt like, like, guys don't like, you 365 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 2: don't have to give them that call. Their defense is 366 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 2: good enough, they're probably gonna win. Shay is a good player, 367 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 2: he can knock down shots. He might make shots here 368 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 2: there by the way, Like this is the thing with 369 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:53,120 Speaker 2: the pushot. I don't care about the push off. If 370 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 2: you don't call the grifty bullshit, let Shay push off. 371 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 2: Let the defenders use their hands. That's all I've ever 372 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 2: asked for is consistency in that regard. You can't reward 373 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 2: Shay with free throws for non basketball shots or bad 374 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 2: basketball and then also let him get super physical with 375 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 2: defenders and shove them off to get to his spots. 376 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 2: That's straight up not fair, and I just thought that 377 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 2: that was frustrating down the stretch of the game. 378 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 4: Blending Vice's signature dynamic storytelling with the high octane world 379 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 4: of sports, Vice Sports brings an exciting and diverse range 380 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 4: of programming that goes beyond the game, from action pack 381 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 4: live events to gripping behind the scenes documentaries to hard 382 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 4: hitting investigative pieces and in depth profiles of athletes, coaches, teams. 383 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 4: Vice Sports captures the raw energy, drama, and passion that 384 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 4: makes sports truly unforgettable. 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But we got a 394 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: couple of questions about the about the refereeing, so I 395 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: don't know if you want to stay on that. 396 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 3: For a minute's say on the restaurant, Hey, Jason. 397 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: I thought the rest tonight called the game much differently 398 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 1: in the differently than the rest of the playoffs, but 399 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,120 Speaker 1: at least it felt like it was happening both ways. 400 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 1: What was your take on sort of the zoom out 401 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: of the refereeing, like being definitely different than earlier in 402 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: the playoffs. And then specifically it felt like Scott Foster 403 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: was kind of trying to, you know, put his hands 404 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: on the game a little bit. 405 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, Scott Foster is one of the most performative refs 406 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 2: I've ever seen. You can always tell just by like 407 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 2: the little extra flair that he puts on all the 408 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 2: bs that he does. I I was frustrated in general 409 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 2: throughout the flow of that game because it's it goes 410 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 2: both ways. Because on the one hand, it's super physical, 411 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 2: it's game four, the teams are starting to hate each other, 412 00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 2: they're starting to get a little chippy, so you got 413 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 2: to kind of keep things on control. But at the 414 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 2: same time, when the stoppages and the reviews just get 415 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 2: so excessive, it really bothers the flow of the game. 416 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 2: My thing is one of the most consistent trends that 417 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 2: has been frustrating for me watching the Thunder in this postseason, 418 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 2: and it's the Chris Finch quote. They foiled the shit 419 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 2: out of you all game, and then the then you 420 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 2: allow the grifty stuff to happen. I mean, I texted 421 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 2: you before that Shay run when the Pacers built a 422 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 2: little bit of a lead and then we had a 423 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 2: lane line bump foul call for JDub on a on 424 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 2: a on a drive and it's just like it just 425 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 2: feels lame. It's like, here comes the Thunder run, We're 426 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 2: headed to the foul line. Like it just it feels 427 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 2: like that is the way with which they generated offense 428 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 2: in a game like where they played bad offense. And 429 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 2: that's the thing is, like, I'm a big believer in 430 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 2: like I want good basketball to be rewarded and I 431 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,239 Speaker 2: want bad basketball to be punished. And I thought that 432 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 2: the Thunder played a lot of bad offensive basketball in 433 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 2: this game that got rewarded with points. 434 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. 435 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,640 Speaker 1: It's just it's tough. It's I understand the Thunder fans 436 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,679 Speaker 1: and the Shave fans saying like what do you want 437 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 1: him to do? And it's at a certain point it's 438 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,199 Speaker 1: Shay's fault. Like I'm not saying it's he he's the 439 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: one who's the problem here, but the ecosystem of the 440 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 1: fouls and what is allowed on the other end, it's 441 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: it's challenging a little bit. 442 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 2: I think, do you agree with me that, Like the 443 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 2: problem is you can't like like you gotta have one 444 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 2: or the other, Like you gotta either let Shaye push 445 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 2: off and let these defenders put their hands on him, 446 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 2: or you got to call the offensive foul in addition 447 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 2: to calling the griffy stuff. 448 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: I think it's that combined with the the physicality of 449 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: the contact that's allowed on the other record before, which 450 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: is not to take away from the way the Thunder 451 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:32,479 Speaker 1: play defense. I don't have a problem with the way 452 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: the Thunder play defense, just like I don't have a 453 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 1: problem with the way that andrewn Emhard plays defense on 454 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: Shady Gillen Tlexander for the most part, right like, and 455 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with Tyre's Halliburton leaning into 456 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: chet when there's and the bonus to get it, you know, 457 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,959 Speaker 1: Like that's fine, that's basketball. But there's a certain it 458 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: becomes it becomes something else sometimes, I. 459 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,919 Speaker 2: Think, and it's just not fun to watch, is the 460 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 2: bottom line. Like we like, we don't want to see 461 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 2: a huge iconic playoff game get decided like that. We 462 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,439 Speaker 2: don't like we want to see the action with that 463 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,479 Speaker 2: they ran that generated Shaye the wide open three at 464 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 2: the top of the key. That felt like a huge 465 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 2: playoff shot. That felt like just a massive playoff shot 466 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 2: for Shay in a game where he had been pretty rough. 467 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 2: The other stuff just felt like him exploiting loopholes. 468 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 1: All right, next question, we can move off the ref 469 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: so everyone in the chat can take a breathing. 470 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 3: Do you think love to the chat? 471 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: Of course? 472 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 3: Do you think Jason that the. 473 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 1: Pacers now they have to win one game on the 474 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: road if they want to win the NBA Finals, have 475 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 1: a better chance in Game five or in game seven? 476 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 3: Game five? For sure? 477 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 2: I think there's always a natural kind of ebb and 478 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 2: flow back and forth as the series kind of flow. 479 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 2: I mean, we even saw Denver take a commanding nine 480 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 2: point lead in the early fourth quarter of Game five. 481 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,919 Speaker 2: It just to me it just doesn't matter because the 482 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 2: Thunder could be down by eleven with nine and a 483 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 2: half minutes left of Game five, and I would just 484 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 2: feel like they could tighten the screws and then Indiana 485 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 2: would suddenly go life like this is legitimately crazy. It's 486 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 2: a consistent trend, like they just completely shut your water off. 487 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 2: They shut your water off, and there's nothing you can do. 488 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 2: And again, I do believe their best chance to win 489 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:14,679 Speaker 2: is gonna be Game five. Like, if the Pacers are 490 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 2: gonna win the series, they win the next two games. 491 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 2: I just don't think. I think, when when all the 492 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 2: stuff is on the line, I don't think anybody can 493 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 2: score on this this Oklahoma City team the way they 494 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 2: need to. I think Indiana's one chance as Oklahoma City 495 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 2: comes out really flat in Game five and Indiana brings 496 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 2: a ton of energy and all of a sudden it 497 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 2: turns into a fourth quarter close game. But like somehow 498 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 2: Oklahoma City goes colder than Indiana does. That would be 499 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 2: their one chance. 500 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, the the the Dork Caruso combination, plus the switch 501 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 1: ability and length of chat on the back end, like 502 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:53,199 Speaker 1: they have so many unbelievable athletes, unbelievable defenders, just a 503 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 1: million ways to get stops in a million ways to 504 00:24:55,160 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 1: create hapoic. It's it's really when they decide we're ratching 505 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,439 Speaker 1: it up right now, it is. It is startling to watch. 506 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 2: They're the best defense that I've watched in my time 507 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,199 Speaker 2: covering the league. I just I can't remember a time 508 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 2: where I saw a team consistently strangle. 509 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 3: The life out of like truly elite offenses. 510 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 2: There have been a lot of really great defenses that 511 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 2: have come close, you know, like I think the twenty 512 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 2: nineteen Raptors was a very good defense. I think the 513 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 2: twenty twenty Lakers was a very good defense. Even the 514 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 2: Warriors in twenty twenty two very good defense. But I 515 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 2: don't think any of those defenses come close to just 516 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 2: the overwhelming, like just physical, oppressive, ball pressure and unscreenable 517 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:40,360 Speaker 2: but still switchable. It's just they're frightening. I tweeted out 518 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 2: right at the end of the third quarter, I was like, 519 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 2: this is where Oklahoma City's gonna throw their best defensive 520 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 2: punch and we're gonna find out if Indiana can score. 521 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 2: And they couldn't score. Ultimately that we all knew it 522 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 2: was coming. 523 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 3: Everyone knew. 524 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 2: It's like staring everybody right in the face. But it's 525 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 2: just as an unconquerable demon. 526 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 1: And credit to Shay. You said it earlier that he 527 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: was bad most of the game offensively, but he was 528 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,439 Speaker 1: very good defensively. In the fourth quarter, he hit the 529 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: block on Howie. I think he had two different poke 530 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 1: like steals when they were trying to do a post entry. 531 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,120 Speaker 1: He was very active, and I think that is sort 532 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 1: of what one of the things amongst the many things 533 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: with their defense that contributes to them being an all 534 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: time defense, is they their worst guy that you're picking 535 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: on is competent at worst. 536 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I totally agree. It's those last possessions in 537 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 2: the game. It's like, those are makeable shots, Like the 538 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 2: Tyree step back against Chedd. He got decent separation, but 539 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 2: that's a really long defender. He shooting over the nemhard 540 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 2: step back that he missed off the back round, like 541 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 2: that was a really good contest, even though it was 542 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 2: a decent look. Like, Yeah, I think the ones that 543 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 2: you'll think back to if you're a pacer fan are 544 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 2: the wide open looks that Nie Smith and Turner missed. 545 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 2: There were there were a solid half dozen great three 546 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 2: point looks that Nie Smith and Turner got in this game, 547 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 2: and they just couldn't make them. Do you think Carlisle 548 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:03,239 Speaker 2: should have gone with like maybe Ben mather I mean, 549 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 2: Mathern came in at the very end, but like mather 550 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 2: In and and Top and more down the stretch. 551 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 3: Of this game. 552 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: It's it's a good question. It's one of our questions. 553 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,479 Speaker 1: Why is that we got in the chat? Why does 554 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,400 Speaker 1: Myles Turner get so many minutes when he has been 555 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 1: pretty bad for most of the series and Topping has 556 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,679 Speaker 1: been so good. And it's it's hard because one of 557 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: the things that they were getting killed on was the glass, 558 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: and you know in theory Turners a better better player 559 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 1: there on the glass and top of it, and Nie 560 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: Smith had like nine rebounds, So it's it's tough to 561 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: to to say who they should go with, but it 562 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: does feel like the Top and Siakam front court minutes 563 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 1: are the best ones for them. And I think Mathrin 564 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: at least in at least in Game three, it felt 565 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 1: like he was doing a better job staying attached to 566 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 1: some of these guards Jane Williams and SGA specifically than 567 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,679 Speaker 1: Nie Smith. So I think if you're if you're a 568 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: Pacers fan, if your carlis and you're looking for what 569 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: do we have a desperation punch? Like, hopefully we're just 570 00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 1: in the game in general we don't have to do that, 571 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 1: but if we need to for down seven with four minutes, 572 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 1: what is our big swing? I think it's probably the 573 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 1: Mathrin and Top and over Nie Smith and Turner. 574 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 3: I agree. 575 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,199 Speaker 2: I mean Nie Smith like was fuck, he was hacking. 576 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 2: He was hacking like on a bunch of like he 577 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,400 Speaker 2: hacked Chet on a play where and again it's all 578 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 2: like it's good defense in principle until the very end, 579 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,919 Speaker 2: but it's like, especially with the way that game was 580 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 2: getting officiated for Shay and and like you you can't 581 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 2: be you can't be as handsy as he was, and 582 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 2: it just it was frustrating. It felt felt very much 583 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,120 Speaker 2: like a missed opportunity for Indiana. But like the only 584 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 2: reason why I like, even with the stuff with uh, like, 585 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:37,919 Speaker 2: let's say a couple more of those turner threes go 586 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 2: down or something like that, and Indiana's up by like, 587 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 2: you know, twelve going into the fourth quarter instead of 588 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 2: seven or whatever it was. 589 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 3: I still I still just feel like push comes to shove. 590 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 2: This Oklahoma City team can tighten the screws and no 591 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 2: one can score on him. And that really is That's 592 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 2: the thing that I'm gonna remember the most about this team. 593 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. One one, we had a couple more questions, one 594 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 1: from me and then one from a super tat question 595 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: to end with, I was thinking about the Niemith problem 596 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: and a lot of the switches that they got for 597 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: Shay at the end of the game were guard guard 598 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 1: screens where they were like, well, we can switch these. 599 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 1: We don't need to chase over with that mark. We 600 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: can switch these. How if they don't want to switch. 601 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 1: If we're saying the Niemith is gonna get cooked by 602 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: Shay or at least not every time, but you know 603 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: the majority of the time, what's the move there? Do 604 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 1: you just chase over the top and hedge and hope 605 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 1: that Jalen Williams isn't good enough on the back end 606 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: to beat you? 607 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 4: Like, what's this? 608 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: What do you do if you're the pacers that worked 609 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 1: really well down the stretch to get switches? 610 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, all you can do is blitzer hedge. Those are 611 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 2: really your only two options. And I mean there are 612 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 2: variations of hedges you can like you can do. You 613 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 2: can do like a really soft like catch hedge where 614 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 2: you're primarily just functioning to take away a drive if 615 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 2: he turns the corner. But even then, like if you 616 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 2: linger at all on the ball and j Deb slips out. 617 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 2: We talk about baked in driving lanes a lot on 618 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 2: this show. Basically to make a long story short, if 619 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 2: you slip out of a screen or even if you're 620 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 2: just in in spot up a spot up situation on 621 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 2: the opposite wing. So like balls on the right wing, 622 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 2: you're standing on the left wing, or you're slipping out 623 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 2: of a guard guard screen to the left wing, if 624 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 2: that defender is in nail help, or if he's lingering 625 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 2: in a hedge or doing anything along those lines, all 626 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 2: you have to do is throw a swing pass and 627 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 2: then rip to the left and then and then you're 628 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 2: in good shape. I think, honestly, like if there was 629 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 2: a if there was a mistake made down the stretch 630 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 2: from Indiana in terms of their defensive execution, it's the 631 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 2: lack of double teams. Like they had a lot of 632 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 2: success double teaming Shay throughout the game. I mean it's 633 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,959 Speaker 2: zero sists and then down the stretch they let him 634 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 2: play one on one and they did dig down to 635 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 2: the nail, but it's like you end up giving up 636 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 2: closeouts anyway. Like it's just I would have liked to 637 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 2: have seen a little bit more aggression thrown directly at Shay, 638 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 2: but none if it matters if Indiana can't score on 639 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 2: the other end, And that's what I keep coming back to. 640 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 2: Last question. 641 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: This one was a super Chat question from jam shout 642 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: out to you JM. Every game this series. It feels 643 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: very similar to the OKAC Denver series. Okay, see blows 644 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: a fourth quarter leading Game one, they won Game two 645 00:30:58,120 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 1: by a lot, it was a close Game three, and 646 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 1: then actually make the comeback to win its Game four. 647 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: What is your take on that doesn't feel similar to you? 648 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: And then does that mean that we're going to get seven. 649 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 4: In this series? 650 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 2: So it's it's I don't think it feels similar in 651 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 2: terms of like the basketball because the basketball dynamic in 652 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 2: the two series is so different. You know, obviously, Jokic 653 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 2: was just straight up and dominable at times. Denver their 654 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 2: defense was much more of like a pack to paint. 655 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 2: We're mixing, mixing in a lot of zone, more passive, 656 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 2: more contain that kind of thing. Indiana's applying a ton 657 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 2: of ball pressures. There's a lot of like differences in 658 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 2: the schematics. The reason why it feels like the Denver 659 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 2: series is that this is actually a very common series 660 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 2: progression that we see in the history of the NBA, 661 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 2: which is you have a massive favorite, or not even 662 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 2: a massive favorite, just a favorite. Because I think we 663 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 2: can all agree that Oklahoma City probably shouldn't have been 664 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 2: favored by as much as they were now, like and 665 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 2: again my big misjudgment there was just Oklahoma City's lack 666 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 2: of ball handling and not properly accounting for that with 667 00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 2: Indiana's ball pressure. But you have this per that takes 668 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 2: place where the underdog steals a game on the road, 669 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 2: whether it's game one or game two, it really don't matter. 670 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 2: And then they come home and they're super excited, and 671 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 2: game three has this like buzzsaw feel. And then you 672 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 2: also have to keep in mind like even for the 673 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 2: road team, it's still not really that desperate. It's just 674 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 2: a one to one series, you know, and so they 675 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 2: end up getting Game three. But game four always feels 676 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 2: like the pivot point. The underdog always knows like, if 677 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 2: we do not win this game, we're probably not winning 678 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 2: this series, and so it brings a level of urgency 679 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 2: in Game four kind of takes the feel of a 680 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 2: Game seven in terms of like both teams know they 681 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 2: desperately need that one, and the better team usually wins 682 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 2: that type of game, like especially in the pros, like 683 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 2: in college, there's a little bit more variance, and that's 684 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 2: why the NCAA Tournament is the way that it is, 685 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 2: but in the pros there's a little less variance, and 686 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 2: so it kind of feels like the better team tends 687 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 2: to win that Game four And you know, from here 688 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 2: it just comes down to whether or not Indiana has 689 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 2: the pride to win one more of these games, especially 690 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 2: Game six at home, and we've seen teams that don't. 691 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 2: You know, we've seen teams that come home in game 692 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 2: six and just get rolled. I don't think the Pacers 693 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 2: will get rolled. I think that'll be a good competitive game. 694 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 2: But like it just to me, Oklahoma City was the 695 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 2: better team and they got punched in the mouth by Indiana. 696 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 2: And it's definitely been more precarious than it looked on 697 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 2: the surface because of the reasons we've discussed. But ultimately, 698 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 2: Oklahoma City is the better team, and when the shit 699 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 2: hits the fan and they need to win a game, 700 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 2: they're gonna be able to win a game against this team. 701 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 2: All right, guys, that's all we have for YouTube tonight. 702 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 2: As always, we appreciate you guys for supporting us and 703 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 2: supporting the show. Head over to playback dot tv slash 704 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 2: Hoops tonight. 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