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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of Iheartrading.

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Nol.

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Speaker 3: They called me Ben.

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Speaker 1: We're joined as always with our super producer, all mission

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Speaker 1: control decand most importantly, you are you. You are here

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Speaker 1: that makes this the stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us for our weekly

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Speaker 1: exploration of listener mail up top. Before we get into

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Speaker 1: any of this fantastic correspondence, Yeah, we want to thank

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Speaker 1: everybody who took the time to write in about a

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Speaker 1: very worrying catastrophe that just occurred and ongoing, the massive

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Speaker 1: leak of personal identifying information here in the United States,

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Speaker 1: particularly a little thing we'd like to call social security numbers.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's something that we talked about. I think

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Speaker 4: it even came up or we even as a group

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Speaker 4: is if stuff is getting leaked, if literally everyone's stuff

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Speaker 4: is leaked, And we talked about off air around this.

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Speaker 4: A good friend of ours and the show, Peyton Fisher

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Speaker 4: called it a debt jubilee, which is apparently a term

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Speaker 4: from the Bible, where it's like, well, if everyone's stuff

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Speaker 4: I don't know if that's how it play out, but

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Speaker 4: it is an interesting thought experiment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. In this case, we're talking about the breach of

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Speaker 2: National Public data, right.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that occurred allegedly around April of twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: A hacker group called us DoD took this information from

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Speaker 1: this company that we just mentioned, National Public Data. They're

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Speaker 1: a background check company, at least according to the lawsuit,

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Speaker 1: this was the vulnerable part of the chain, and this

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Speaker 1: data was not released as ransomware. It was released for

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Speaker 1: free on a hacking forum. It includes the files of

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Speaker 1: two point seven billion records, including stuff like a person's

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Speaker 1: full name, address, DOB data, birth, social security number, and

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Speaker 1: phone number. The reason this is a big deal is

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Speaker 1: that certain financial institutions have a cartoonishly low bar for

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Speaker 1: approving big financial decisions. So sometimes with just this information

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Speaker 1: and a little bit of easy social engineering, you can

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Speaker 1: do some pretty sinister stuff. Please don't please do be

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Speaker 1: a good faith actor. But as numerous conspiracy realists have

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Speaker 1: pointed out now is the time to get two factor

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Speaker 1: with all that boring financial stuff we all like to ignore.

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Speaker 1: Now's the time to be actively interested in those boring things.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there is no reason for you not to freeze

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Speaker 2: your credit right now. And there are a lot of

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Speaker 2: apps that you can get on your phone that you

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Speaker 2: can freeze and unfreeze your credit literally with a tap,

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Speaker 2: and it is I just used this, guys. I tried

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Speaker 2: to open a new account in something and they said, oh, well,

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Speaker 2: it looks like your your credit is frozen. Now I went, oh,

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Speaker 3: When it work app?

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Speaker 4: I mean literally out of personal curiosity. When I saw

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Speaker 4: So this is really helpful for me personally. Can you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's called LifeLock by Norton, especially sponsored by them.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I guess by North And at this point we

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Speaker 1: have to mention again there is no national privacy law

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Speaker 1: in the United States, so once more, the burden of

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Speaker 1: So let us know your experience with that. Be vigilant, folks.

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Speaker 1: that reminds us of an old friend.

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Speaker 2: And we've returned and we're jumping to the phone lines

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Speaker 2: immediately to hear a message from Kei Key, and I

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Speaker 5: Hi, you can call me Kiki and you can use

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Speaker 2: By thank you so much, Kiki. We are having an

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Speaker 2: excellent day. You guys having an excellent day. Yeah, actually, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 2: It was a Boeing seven twenty seven, two thirty one,

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Speaker 2: whatever that means. And guys, did were you aware of

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Speaker 1: Yes, and only because of a fascinating conversation we had

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Speaker 2: Wait do I know about this then?

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Speaker 1: Well, remember Garrett is a guy that we spoke with

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Speaker 1: So shout out, shout out to you, Garrett, because it's

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Speaker 2: Just to refresh everybody's memory that all those things facilities

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Speaker 2: So let's talk about how this facility Mount Weather was

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Speaker 2: least the official rite up of the FAA regarding this incident.

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Speaker 2: So this is a plane, it was roughly twenty five

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Speaker 2: different buildings that have a different group, But I'll name

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Speaker 2: some of these for you. One of them is the

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Speaker 2: Mount Weather High Point Security Facility. Another one is the

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Speaker 2: Western Virginia Office of Controlled Conflict Operations. That sounds nefarious

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is where we steer world events.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, especially considering I think one way for us to

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Speaker 1: you point it out, Matt, the secrecy, but secondly, perhaps

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it has been around for quite a while

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Speaker 1: Know that it was originally a site run by the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. But also what a great cover if

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Speaker 2: you don't want anyone to know where you were. Continuity

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Speaker 2: guess Garrett Graft way to go, Garrett, just tell people

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Speaker 2: the actual entrances to that tunnel you're talking about, Ben

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Speaker 2: that was drilled at least originally. These this is the

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Speaker 2: actual secure parts of this thing. And like it is huge, y'all.

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Speaker 2: It spans a large part of this mountain. I don't know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we just need to look further down the Blue

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Speaker 3: And we have returned with more messages from you. This

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Speaker 4: I'm just gonna read the message from an anonymous listener,

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Speaker 4: So I'll offer myself as a cog and the self

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Speaker 2: Oh man, I have so many questions and ideas. Here

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Speaker 4: the future and is able to create in the future

438
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Speaker 4: where this thing exists a simulation that allows it to

439
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Speaker 4: know maybe recreate the last However, many decades of human history,

440
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Speaker 4: every single individual, every single thought that anyone has ever had,

441
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Speaker 4: like the kind of simulation theory that Nick Bostrom talks about,

442
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Speaker 4: essentially to such a degree that it would know every

443
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Speaker 4: choice anyone would make, every action that anyone would have

444
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Speaker 4: done that would have led to the formation the.

445
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Speaker 3: Creation of it itself. Right.

446
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Speaker 4: But the problem there is that only by knowing about

447
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Speaker 4: this thought experiment, is this even on your radar to

448
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Speaker 4: the point where you would be able to think about it.

449
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Speaker 4: So it is kind of There's a lot of other

450
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Speaker 4: concepts that are I think appropriate to discuss in relation

451
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Speaker 4: to this, one being Pascal's wager, which is like this

452
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Speaker 4: practical argument that the idea of believing in God. There's

453
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Speaker 4: a French philosopher and mathematician named Blaze Pascal who came

454
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Speaker 4: up with these kind of scenarios that would lead one

455
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Speaker 4: to come to the conclusion that it's just the best

456
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Speaker 4: to believe in God, because if God exists and I

457
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Speaker 4: believe in God, I'll go to Heaven, which is infinitely good.

458
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Speaker 4: If God exists and I don't believe in God, I

459
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Speaker 4: may go to Hell, which is infinitely bad. If God

460
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Speaker 4: does not exist, then whether I believe in God or not,

461
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Speaker 4: whatever I'd gain or lose would be finite. So therefore

462
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Speaker 4: the best thing to do would be just to believe

463
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Speaker 4: in God. In this situation, one could argue the best

464
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Speaker 4: thing to do would be to do whatever you can

465
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Speaker 4: to help push forward the creation of this thing. But

466
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Speaker 4: then it becomes like kind of arbitrary, Like what does

467
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Speaker 4: that entail? How hard would I have to try? Like

468
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Speaker 4: is there something that I don't even know that I

469
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Speaker 4: was doing that would be counter and counterproductive towards the

470
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Speaker 4: creation of this intelligence? It really is just kind of

471
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Speaker 4: like a mind f you know, and ultimately kind of frivolous,

472
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Speaker 4: But it is interesting at least in highlighting the idea

473
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Speaker 4: of dangerous information things that mind. Just knowing it you

474
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Speaker 4: can be harmed. Then I'm seeing the gears turning in

475
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Speaker 4: your eyeballs. There if gears can turn in eyeballs, but

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Speaker 4: I don't know, And man, I'm interested to see what

477
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Speaker 4: you think. We love thought experiments and stuff that I

478
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Speaker 4: want you to know. And I just thought this one

479
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Speaker 4: was a very fun, if not kind of scary and

480
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Speaker 4: ultimately kind of dumb one, but pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get in front of the emails and shout

482
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Speaker 1: out one specific science fiction story, in particular I have

483
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Speaker 1: no Mouth and I Must Scream by Harlan Ellison, which

484
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Speaker 1: absolutely describes the idea of the basilisk. And I love

485
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Speaker 1: that you're mentioning Nick Bostrom as well. It makes me

486
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Speaker 1: think of the paper clip theory, which is the nerdier

487
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Speaker 1: version of Mickey Mouse as the Sorcerer's Apprentice. It's a

488
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: similar thought experiment. The idea is, what if you created

489
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Speaker 1: agi like true inorganic sentience, and you just gave it

490
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Speaker 1: one dumb job. You said, hey, we're gonna make you harmless.

491
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Speaker 1: Your job is to just make paper clips. But that

492
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Speaker 1: thing therefore would run the danger of using all of

493
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Speaker 1: the resources available in the universe to make anything it

494
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Speaker 1: considers loosely defined as a paper clip. It would begin to,

495
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Speaker 1: in the thought experiment, regard humans and all other organic

496
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Speaker 1: life as just future paper clip material that needs to

497
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Speaker 1: be transformed to accomplish the other goal. And I think

498
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Speaker 1: this gets This takes us to anonymous. We'd love to

499
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Speaker 1: hear your thoughts on this. This takes us to one

500
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Speaker 1: of the things often called the issue, or one of

501
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Speaker 1: the issues people raise with the bassilisk theory is the

502
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Speaker 1: question of to what degree are we attempting to answer

503
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Speaker 1: pomorphize AI. You know, I think that's a fair question,

504
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Speaker 1: but it's a really tough question to navigate. Now. I

505
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Speaker 1: love this theory guys in general, because the concept of

506
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Speaker 1: thought hazard you mentioned earlier, Pascal's wager, It brings us

507
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Speaker 1: to another one of the old school arguments in and promised.

508
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Speaker 1: We're going somewhere with this, the old school arguments in Christianity,

509
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Speaker 1: in Evangelical Christianity in particular, which is, people don't go

510
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Speaker 1: to Hell, but people don't go to heaven unless they

511
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Speaker 1: accept Jesus Christ. Then logically, should you tell people about

512
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Speaker 1: the existence of Jesus Christ, Will they like, are you

513
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Speaker 1: just putting them in danger of going to Hell if

514
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Speaker 1: they live and die without knowing? How can they be

515
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Speaker 1: in trouble? Otherwise? Are you kind of threatening people with

516
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Speaker 1: hell by giving them this info hazard?

517
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Speaker 3: That is interesting Ben.

518
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Speaker 4: But I think the way the rules work though of

519
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Speaker 4: the Bible, or at least according to some people, is

520
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Speaker 4: not is not knowing not an excuse?

521
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Speaker 3: Or is that an excuse?

522
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Speaker 4: It always makes me think of like the idea of

523
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Speaker 4: that just because you don't know the law doesn't mean

524
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Speaker 4: you're not subject to it. But is there a clause

525
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Speaker 4: in the Bible that says if you don't know I

526
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Speaker 4: was in the whole point of missioning and mission being

527
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Speaker 4: a missionary to save people's immortal souls.

528
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Speaker 3: Because of the fact that they don't know, they're basically

529
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Speaker 3: damned to hell.

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Speaker 1: Well, it goes to it depends on the doctrine. That's

531
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Speaker 1: how people follow, right, But there are real world's consequences

532
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Speaker 1: to this, regardless of anybody's personal understanding spiritual perspective. It

533
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,479
Speaker 1: leads to things like that poor guy who tried to

534
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: proselytize on North Sentinel is don't go by the way

535
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Speaker 1: folks don't go. There's a reason they don't have a

536
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Speaker 1: tour sport. But the amazing thing about these kind of

537
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Speaker 1: thoughts experiments, especially in the world of machine learning and

538
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Speaker 1: inorganic intelligence, is that they will become increasingly less academic

539
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Speaker 1: and more material as the years go on, and what

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Speaker 1: we're seeing here is I think, exponential growth. So we

541
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Speaker 1: kind of have to ask how long will something like

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Speaker 1: this be a thought experiment?

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I'm looking on less wrong right now, you guys,

544
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Speaker 2: And it looks like a lot of people, at least

545
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Speaker 2: according to this kind of I don't know, an archival

546
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Speaker 2: post about Rocos Basilis.

547
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Speaker 3: Basilisk rejected it based on something that I think is

548
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Speaker 3: very valid.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, do you want to tell us?

550
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Speaker 4: I just know it's you're yet I think I know

551
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Speaker 4: as you're get that, just the idea of like would

552
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Speaker 4: it a and that artificial intelligence that's this advanced waste

553
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Speaker 4: its time expending resources on eternally torturing.

554
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Speaker 3: People and it doesn't seem very efficient.

555
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Speaker 4: And then to your point, that does feel like an

556
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Speaker 4: anthropomorphization of artificial intelligence, like assigning some kind of vindictiveness

557
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Speaker 4: to it that doesn't really seem to be a very

558
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Speaker 4: efficient use of resources. If it was going to do anything,

559
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Speaker 4: I would think it would just kill yes, all humans.

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Speaker 2: Well, what I'm thinking is something we've discussed on the

561
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Speaker 2: show before, like the potential for something like this that

562
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Speaker 2: we're describing to have an actual perhaps perceived incentive to

563
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Speaker 2: remove the humans that prevent it from expanding or growing

564
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Speaker 2: or whatever it is, to making it more efficient at

565
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Speaker 2: what it can do, and those kinds of things, removing obstacles.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm no philosopher, but it does feel

567
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Speaker 2: like that's a viable thing to at least in matter

568
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Speaker 2: and think about. But you know, using this imagined version

569
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Speaker 2: of it where you can see and extrapolate all potential

570
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Speaker 2: moves and thoughts that a human being could have had

571
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Speaker 2: and had and all that idea, I don't know. I mean,

572
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Speaker 2: maybe that's a thing, But in the end, it stands

573
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Speaker 2: true to me that it would want to remove any obstacles,

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Speaker 2: including human beings that wanted to stop it.

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Speaker 4: But not just torture them, you know, just like just

576
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Speaker 4: put it into it, you know, be the hammer and

577
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Speaker 4: have the human beings be the nails.

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Speaker 1: I guess it goes back to assumptions about what would

579
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Speaker 1: the nature of desire be. Would it be the accomplishment

580
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Speaker 1: of a task, what would any interpretation of something like

581
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Speaker 1: the greater good? If such an interpretation existed, how would

582
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Speaker 1: that be defined? And then also why bother Another version,

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Speaker 1: a lighter version of anthropo riphization for AI would be

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Speaker 1: that eventually, after securing resources needed for function, it would

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Speaker 1: just want to hang with things like itself. You know

586
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Speaker 1: what I mean. If you are a person right now,

587
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Speaker 1: you might like pets, but when you go for a

588
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Speaker 1: good deep conversation, you often end up talking to other humans.

589
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Speaker 1: So the question becomes, who would an AI want to

590
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Speaker 1: have a conversation with?

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Speaker 3: Dude, you have noa.

592
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Speaker 2: I have more conversations with his cat. Unfortunately when I

593
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Speaker 2: make it out with him.

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Speaker 4: No, but you're right, Matt does is a cat whisper,

595
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Speaker 4: and that cat terrifies me, to be honest, but Matt ain't.

596
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Speaker 4: But that's not afraid of the of the scratches, or

597
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Speaker 4: I would posit has been infected with one of those

598
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Speaker 4: parasites that you get from cat scratches that make you

599
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Speaker 4: more sympathetic to their cause, toxoplasmosis.

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Speaker 3: That's the one. I don't know.

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Speaker 4: There's a couple of other I just do want to

602
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Speaker 4: point out and give props to the video that the

603
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Speaker 4: anonymous linked to in the first place, which was Roco's

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Speaker 4: Basilisk The most Terrifying thought experiment posted by Kyle Hill

605
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Speaker 4: as a Delightful Man Bun and as delightfully self deprecating

606
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Speaker 4: about said man Bun and I think his channel is

607
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 4: pretty cool, so I do highly recommend that. And then

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Speaker 4: I went down a bit of a rabbit hole and

609
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 4: also found Roco's basilisk a deeper dive warning info hazard.

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Speaker 4: People are taking these these these trigger warnings very seriously,

611
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Speaker 4: actually in every post I've seen about this, which is interesting,

612
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Speaker 4: and that is from Windy Goon, another good YouTube resource.

613
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Speaker 4: But both of those reference Pascal's wager and something called

614
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Speaker 4: Newcomb's paradox, which is another thought experiment that basically involves

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Speaker 4: kind of a prime mover the idea that the you know,

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Speaker 4: a godlike or in this case, a godlike AI you know,

617
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Speaker 4: could game the system. It basically means you don't really

618
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Speaker 4: have free will in the first place. Newcomb's paradox, just

619
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Speaker 4: the simplified version, is a problem in decision theory where

620
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Speaker 4: the seemingly rational decision ends up with a worse outcome

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Speaker 4: than the seemingly irrational decision. Basically, it's a scenario kind

622
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Speaker 4: of like Schrodinger's cat, where you've got a a couple

623
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Speaker 4: of boxes. Box A is transparent and always contains one

624
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Speaker 4: thousand dollars. Box B is opaque, but its content has

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Speaker 4: been set by the predictor, and it either contains a

626
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Speaker 4: million dollars or nothing, and you can either pick one box,

627
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Speaker 4: the second box, or both boxes.

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Speaker 3: So obviously the right choice would be to pick both boxes.

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Speaker 4: But in this case, if the predictor has predicted that

630
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Speaker 4: the player will take both boxes A and B, then

631
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Speaker 4: box B contains nothing.

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Speaker 3: It goes deeper than that, and I'm.

633
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Speaker 4: Probably this is a lot of this stuff is admittedly

634
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Speaker 4: a little over my head, but I really want to

635
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Speaker 4: get more into it. Game theory, all of that kind

636
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Speaker 4: of stuff really does fascinate me. Ben, Can you maybe

637
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Speaker 4: explain the box paradox the money situation a little better

638
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Speaker 4: than I did. I don't know if it's something that

639
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 4: you're familiar with, but it does seem to refer to

640
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Speaker 4: a godlike entity that can essentially pull the rug out

641
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Speaker 4: from under you at any time, making your ultimate choice

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Speaker 4: kind of irrelevant.

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Speaker 1: I guess what of the ways to put it simply

644
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Speaker 1: would maybe take it out of the realm of AI.

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Speaker 1: Just the short, simple explanation is, imagine you are playing

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Speaker 1: a game, any sort of game, and there are only

647
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Speaker 1: two players, but one player can predict the future with

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Speaker 1: ninety plus percent accuracy.

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Speaker 4: The playing field is certainly no longer level at that point, right,

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Speaker 4: And I mean, one could argue in this AI model

651
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Speaker 4: situation with the basilisk that the AI could kind of

652
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Speaker 4: game the whole thing. And also it refers to this

653
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Speaker 4: idea of this sort of being like an entity in

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Speaker 4: the future blackmailing the people of the past. This is

655
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Speaker 4: like informational blackmail, because the idea being that if you

656
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 4: know about this and you think it might be true,

657
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 4: then you're gonna do whatever it takes to not be

658
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 4: in that camp that gets eternally tortured by the future AI,

659
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 4: and by doing that, you are essentially being part of

660
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 4: the thing that makes the thing come into being in.

661
00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:58,720
Speaker 3: The first place.

662
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 4: It's interesting, it's fun, but it really does start to

663
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 4: cook your noodle a little bit when you think about

664
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 4: it too much there, And it's kind of the double

665
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 4: edged sword of philosophy. Like it definitely is interesting and

666
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 4: can give you some semblance of like what are we

667
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 4: in the universe, But if you go down far enough

668
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 4: with some of these rabb holes, it kind of leaves

669
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 4: you with more questions than answers and can kind of

670
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 4: if you take it too seriously, be stressful.

671
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 2: Well, thank you anonymous, so and so oh.

672
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Speaker 4: And just yeah agree, And just the last thing, I

673
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 4: think a really obvious example of informational hazard been to

674
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 4: your point of like the idea of omniscience or predicting

675
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:40,240
Speaker 4: the future. If somebody, if a force, an entity, perhaps

676
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 4: an AI were to be able to predict the moment

677
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 4: of your absolute death and then told you, that would

678
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 4: change your life fundamentally in terms of how you thought

679
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 4: about everything, whether it's for the good or bad, it

680
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 4: would definitely change your life. So that could be considered

681
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 4: an informational hazard. I just wanted to mention that because

682
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 4: it's sort of like one, and I think we could

683
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:04,280
Speaker 4: all somewhat relate to. So yes, yes, definitely, Thank you anonymous,

684
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Speaker 4: and thank you Ben and Matt for the incredible insights

685
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 4: and great conversation about this bizarro thought experiment. We're going

686
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Speaker 4: to take a quick break here word from our sponsor,

687
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 4: and then come back with one more message from you.

688
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Speaker 1: And we have returned. We're going to hold on some

689
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: listener mail correspondence that we're going to get to. We're

690
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: going to get to it next week, folks. So we'll

691
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: have some teases for that perhaps at the end. What

692
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: we'll do instead here is go straight to a cool

693
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:43,879
Speaker 1: compilation of letters from home. Sometimes when we hear back,

694
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Speaker 1: when we really we really strike a chord with our

695
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: fellow conspiracy realist, we have a bunch of people contact

696
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Speaker 1: us about an earlier conversation, and in this case, we

697
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Speaker 1: are happy to report that a lot of our fellow

698
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Speaker 1: listeners have strong opinions about what they're very last meal

699
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Speaker 1: would be. Now, I want to give a big shout

700
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Speaker 1: out to everybody who took the time to write in

701
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 1: thank you for being our favorite part of the show.

702
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: I also I want to give a special shout out

703
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: to mister Matt Frederick, the Man, the myth legend himself,

704
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:18,359
Speaker 1: who compiled some of our voicemail responses into something that

705
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Speaker 1: I propose we go in and out of. We'll listen

706
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: to some voicemail, we'll hear some hot takes from Twitter,

707
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: and then maybe we'll check in with some emails too.

708
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: Because people didn't just tell us their favorite meals, they

709
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: also in some cases gave us recipes.

710
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh man, I'm trying to decide it to cook

711
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 4: for dinner tonight.

712
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 3: Maybe this will steer me in a certain direction.

713
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 1: So let's start with some voicemails. Let's go to our

714
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: first call it all.

715
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 7: Right, Hi, guys, you can call me Dastardly Dan, and

716
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,439
Speaker 7: I just listened to one of your shows. Love the show,

717
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 7: by the way, all of them.

718
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:56,280
Speaker 6: Anyway.

719
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 7: It was the last meal request what would I have?

720
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 7: And the first thing that came to my mind was, well,

721
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 7: a file and a cake? Can I get the old

722
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 7: file and a cake? Am I the first one with that?

723
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 8: I hope?

724
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 7: So, guys, file and a cake. And if he said no, hey,

725
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 7: no files in the cake. Okay, If that's the case, right,

726
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 7: then I turned that down. I'd say, well, I guess

727
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 7: then one more person since I'm already in prison and

728
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 7: you're going to put me to death anyway, so just

729
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 7: one more person is a last meal? All right, guys,

730
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Speaker 7: love your show, Thanks for listening to my message.

731
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 2: Bye.

732
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 3: Wait you're going to eat the person?

733
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 2: I think that's what? Yeah.

734
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: Here this is referring to a news story or a

735
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: viral piece of social media that bade the rounds not

736
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: too long ago, wherein a cannibal who was on death

737
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: row allegedly requested a human being as their last meal

738
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: thankfully has proven this is not true.

739
00:42:58,680 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 2: Oh okay, that's good.

740
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 4: And if anyone's interested in a deeper dive on last meals,

741
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 4: we've got an episode in Ridiculous History where we talk

742
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 4: about that very thing, written by Ben Bolan. Obviously, this

743
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 4: has been a real pet subject for you and we've

744
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 4: gotten into it through you. But the notion that you

745
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 4: can just have whatever you want is pretty false. We

746
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 4: determined through that research. So it's an interesting thing to

747
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 4: talk about, but yet largely it's it's stuff they can

748
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 4: prepare in the kitchen there at the prison, or the

749
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 4: very least stuff available locally, and you're not going to

750
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 4: get like the finest of cavias and French wines and

751
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 4: ortalons or whatever.

752
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 2: Surely they've got ingredients for a cake and somebody's got

753
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 2: a nail file or some type of file laying around.

754
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. Also, it's really tough to escape with just a

755
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: nail fut I've said too much.

756
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, unless you're Andy Defrayane with the pick

757
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 4: of a little rock pick. That took years, though you

758
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 4: know it was a different time. She got to have

759
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,399
Speaker 4: poster of Rita Hayworth to cover up.

760
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 1: The hole in the Wall, and we also have Alien

761
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: Theorist Theorizing podcast. Hung out with these folks, the good

762
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 1: friends of ours. There are neighbors to the north out

763
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 1: in Canada. Check out their show. They came up with

764
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: a grift where they said, you order this for you, Paul.

765
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: You order Applebee's all you can eat endless shrimp, you

766
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: will bankrupt the judicial system.

767
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 2: Wait wait no, you only pay for it once, right.

768
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: And they just keep I guess the idea is that

769
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Speaker 1: you can avoid the proverbial hangman if you just keep

770
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: eating like one shrimp at a time.

771
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're going to bankrupt Applebee's.

772
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 4: Though, you know, but no, no, no, by by delaying, you

773
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 4: could also potentially bankrupt the state the justice system because

774
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 4: you're know, it's expensive to keep people on death row.

775
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's true, that's true. It is also it's

776
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: actually better for a society to send people to college

777
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: it is to send them to prison. But uh, we'll

778
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: leave that for a future episode. We've got some people

779
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 1: who said, like Spinster Spice, they would want their last

780
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: meal to be the Eucharist. There's one guy, just Melvin,

781
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: who said a lote a lote a lote, by which

782
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: I think it means all of it.

783
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 3: I love a lote, so.

784
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 4: If anyone's not familiar, I believe that's on the cob

785
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 4: Mexican street corn. Whereas the skitas is the kind that

786
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 4: it's like off the cob. But I like it off

787
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 4: the cob a little better. But man, is it good

788
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 4: with the creamer and the kind of mayo and lime

789
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 4: and no zesty.

790
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 1: And let's go to another voicemail message.

791
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 9: Hi, guys, call me holme chef. You asked about last meals.

792
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 9: If it was me, I would get a three course

793
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 9: meal with a crusty loaf of bread. To make pumbowlis

794
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 9: toast it, rub some raw garlic on it, just so

795
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 9: that it has the flavor. Then rub some grushed tomatoes

796
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 9: on it with salt, pepper, all of and a slmac

797
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 9: glaze or aged theslmik drizzled on top. Then make a

798
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,919
Speaker 9: lemon white wine clam bucatini, and then finish it off

799
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 9: with a lemon tear. Missou. I was thinking about my

800
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 9: birthday meal, which is coming right up, and I just

801
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 9: thought that sounded absolutely lovely for the e heat of August.

802
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 9: Those are all things I can make, and that just

803
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 9: sounds absolutely wonderful right now. Love the show, Love you guys,

804
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,240
Speaker 9: Thank you so much for having such interesting topics.

805
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 1: Perfect, Thank you, Home Chef. Also not playing around there.

806
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: I like the idea of the self empowerment saying these

807
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: are all things I can make, you know, so it

808
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: can't be too much to.

809
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 4: Ask the pairing though, I mean all the citrus vibes

810
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 4: and like, I actually just had that bread and raw

811
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 4: tomato thing for my very first time recently, and it

812
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 4: is a vibe. I believe it's a Catalonian way of

813
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 4: having like kind of Christini's with like you really literally

814
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 4: rubbed tomato on the bread and it's a wonderful, wonderful flavor.

815
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just want to eat all that Bukatini.

816
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: Bukatini. Also, I am on record with the Daily Zeitgeist

817
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: being a little bit militant about calling that my favorite pasta.

818
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: You gotta think about the surface area. It's at the

819
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 1: very least the superior or spaghetti.

820
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 3: Agree.

821
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: And before we move to our next message, Happy New Year,

822
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: Home Chef. Congratulations. Birthdays are a big deal in our

823
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: neck of the global woods, so we're so glad you're here.

824
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 2: Oh boy, guys, I cannot confirm exactly when home Chef

825
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 2: sent us that message, so we may have missed their

826
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 2: birthday by a long time, so sorry about that.

827
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: Well, technically we missed all the previous ones too, so

828
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: happy birthday just across the board to everybody. There we go,

829
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: and we've got another message here.

830
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 6: You did say for me, gys were going on about

831
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 6: last meals for a little bit, and you know how

832
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 6: a lot of people stress eat. I can't do that.

833
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 6: And when I'm like really anxious to really stressed out,

834
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 6: like I cannot really eat substantial food, Like I can

835
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 6: only like drink milkshakes or like eat cereal or like

836
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 6: ice cream or like that kind of thing. Whenever I'm

837
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 6: in like a really like nervous mood, I have to

838
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 6: like physically like go through to the all the things

839
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 6: I learned in therapy and all that refocus myself and

840
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 6: then I can feel hungry again and start eating. So

841
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 6: if I knew I was about to be executed, like

842
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 6: I could probably really only have like a big bowl

843
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 6: of ice cream and a cup of coffee. And it

844
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 6: sounds not that bad of a last meal to me,

845
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 6: but it's really like that kind of thing, is all

846
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 6: I could really get down in a situation like that.

847
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 6: I couldn't like eat a pound of brisket knowing I

848
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 6: was gonna die soon. My body just doesn't want food

849
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 6: like that when it's in a situation like that. So

850
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 6: that's that would probably be my last meal. Maybe mint

851
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 6: chocolate chit. Maybe there's this one. It's uh Kroger has it,

852
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 6: I think up there call at Kroger here at City Market,

853
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 6: but they have on the private selection this like BlackBerry

854
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 6: dark chocolate, and like, I could die with that being

855
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 6: the last thing I ate.

856
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 1: Ah, a frame always coming in with a banger. Interestingly enough,

857
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: you might be startled to learn that many, like several

858
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: notable figures, chose coffee and or ice cream as their

859
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 1: final meal. And one guy in particular had two massive

860
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: pints of I think mint chocolate chip.

861
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 3: Was mint chocolate chick. That was Timothy McVeigh.

862
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 4: Wow, it's something that I hadn't really thought about either,

863
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 4: just the idea of like, dude, who wants to eat

864
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,359
Speaker 4: a giant meal when you're about to be executed.

865
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 3: Some people's bodies just would reject that notion.

866
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 2: Well, we've got some callers who have an interesting solution

867
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:57,240
Speaker 2: to that. Issue.

868
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:01,720
Speaker 1: Yes we do. Let's continue, Hey guy, this says head master.

869
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 10: My last meal would be a plate of deep fried

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Speaker 10: chickens eyes no drumsticks. Yeah, deep fried chickens on drumsticks,

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Speaker 10: two of them with like rice peel off and grilled

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Speaker 10: corn on the cop Yeah.

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Speaker 6: And I just want to save the record out of vegetarian.

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Speaker 6: But if it was my last.

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Speaker 10: Meal, I would get deep fried chicken.

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Speaker 6: I'll catch you guys later, John for now.

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Speaker 2: Ye oh yeah, gotta go with that fried chicken.

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Speaker 1: I get it. You know that's also one of the

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Speaker 1: most popular choices, is like a greasy spoon, hamburger or

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Speaker 1: fried chicken. It is so popular. As we also have

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Speaker 1: to know, there's an interesting bit of philosophy involved there, right.

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Speaker 1: A lifelong vegetarian says, well, one last ride around.

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Speaker 2: The chicken coop or I'm taking these chickens with me

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Speaker 2: to the other side.

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Speaker 3: I get to take them with you, Matt. Everyone says

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Speaker 3: that everyone knows that.

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Speaker 2: Well, it'll be in you, hella.

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Speaker 3: You know what.

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Speaker 1: Let's keep with the voicemail here, gentlemen, this is KP.

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Speaker 8: Have my permission to use my name and my voice.

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Speaker 8: You're asking about last meals before executions. First, I would

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Speaker 8: insist in my home state of Alabama pulls the would

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Speaker 8: like the chair back out of retirement from my execution.

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Speaker 8: TI in mind, my last nail would be three Canda

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Speaker 8: baked beans of raw asparagus and a polo raw broccoli.

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Speaker 8: And I assure you, gentlemen, when the execution was over,

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Speaker 8: you would remember my.

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Speaker 1: Name, you utter legend, you mad lad KP for President.

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Speaker 1: We've received so much more. I'll move some listener stuff

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Speaker 1: to next week. We're going to hear about Venezuela and

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Speaker 1: Colorado in a troubling way. We might finally get to

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Speaker 1: Tom and the Dragon. But I thought one of the

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Speaker 1: best things we heard in response to the idea of

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Speaker 1: famous last meals comes to us from James on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: And I think this is a really strong place to

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Speaker 1: what is my favorite ideal last meal? Says James. One

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Speaker 1: I didn't know was going to be my last. There's

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Speaker 1: a poetry to that. WHOA, Yeah, it's making me rethink

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Speaker 1: every time I have a snack, is this the last one?

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Speaker 1: I better enjoy it?

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Speaker 2: Don't they do that with some some places that where

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Speaker 2: they don't let you know when your last day is

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Speaker 2: and they just pick you up and take you there.

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Speaker 1: Japan in particular, for a very long time. If you

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Speaker 1: were on death row, it would just be one random

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Speaker 1: day or one random time they would wake you up

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Speaker 1: and say let's take a walk, which I think counts

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Speaker 1: as cruel and unusual punishment. I don't know it's a

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Speaker 1: philosophical difference, but it is something that I think is

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Speaker 1: instructive to our larger operation here. We want to hear

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Speaker 1: to learn more about the practice of famous last meals,

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