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Speaker 1: to a very special episode of Thinking Sideways the podcast.

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Speaker 1: It's the holiday episode Merry Christmas in like the Western

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Speaker 1: like Santa Ho Ho Ho, not the like offensive religious

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Speaker 1: or not offensive religious jingle bells, jingle bells, jingle bells,

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Speaker 1: you know, the awesome fun presents. Way, Merry Christmas, everyone, Hey,

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Speaker 1: Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas. I'm Devin, I'm Steve So, speaking

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Speaker 1: of Christmas favorite holidays, it's a pretty good one. I know, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's pretty good. You get presents, you get to like

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Speaker 1: there's snow outside and I'm just so happy. I feel like, right,

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Speaker 1: it's pretty cool. And you just if there's snow. If

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Speaker 1: It's a very Orgonian way, very organic. Um. So, I

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Speaker 1: the unsolved mystery. Yeah. I mean, you know, we all

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Speaker 1: know Santa's real, Yeah, but you know, I kind of

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Speaker 1: have some questions I want to talk about because we

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Speaker 1: think about Santa, but you know, we just kind of

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Speaker 1: really serious questions here, like how does he fit all

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Speaker 1: he actually get around to like all of the children, Right,

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Speaker 1: I mean those are some pretty big questions. What do

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Speaker 1: you know the answer, No, it's not magic. I thought, ups, No,

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Speaker 1: what of confusing it's not magic. I mean, Steve, come on,

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Speaker 1: we are skeptics on this show. You know, magic is

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Speaker 1: not real. We talked about aliens on this show. Magic

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I just I think that there's some really

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Speaker 1: does it hold some mandy pressents? Well, you know, because

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Speaker 1: it uses trans dimensional transportation. It's essentially when they go

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Speaker 1: That's actually a really good theory. So that's one of

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Speaker 1: about Santa, right, and everybody, I mean, I'm just assuming

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Speaker 1: We call him Santa or Santa clause Um. He's also

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Speaker 1: called St. Nicholas, St. Nick, Father Christmas, or sometimes Chris Kringle. Right,

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Speaker 1: has actually theorized that perhaps Santa is fudging just a

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Speaker 1: The other problem is, of course Santa would be flattened

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Speaker 1: course he's a supernatural being, which you know he might be.

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Speaker 1: He might. At this point, I have a better theory.

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Speaker 1: That's why he might be. So that's actually my theory.

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Speaker 1: I've read a lot of theories in doing my research

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Speaker 1: for this about why people haven't seen Santa delivering gifts, right,

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Speaker 1: you see him in the mall or whatever. But you know,

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Speaker 1: I think there's a totally reasonable explanation for this, and

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Speaker 1: it is that kids fall asleep, well, kids tend to

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Speaker 1: I've seen Santa. He's real. Here's another case of magic, Steve.

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Speaker 1: No I saw Santa. Okay, I think he saw an

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Speaker 1: So because magic, he's not magic, Steve, He's just a

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Speaker 1: anymore magic. Well, there you have it, So answered some

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Speaker 1: anything that I'm referencing, I've got I actually have some

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Speaker 1: tackle another hard hitting topic easter bunny dcor fiction. Yeah,

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