WEBVTT - Probing Questions About Alien Abduction 0:00:03.800 --> 0:00:06.680 Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:14.680 Works dot com. Hey, welcome to stuff to Blow your Mind. 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:17.960 My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Julie Douglas. And 0:00:18.160 --> 0:00:20.639 tell me, Julie. Um, this is kind of a personal question. 0:00:20.640 --> 0:00:22.880 I hope you don't mind me asking, But have you 0:00:22.960 --> 0:00:27.320 ever been abducted by aliens and probed in a UFO somewhere? Oh? 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:34.440 My goodness, that is personal. Um, No, I haven't. I 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:36.760 gotta be quite honest here. I would love to make 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:38.839 something up, but I have not. That's the weird thing. 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:41.159 Is like like when someone asked me that question, and 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:43.640 not that they ask every day, you know, just on 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:46.680 public transportation. But but but you do have to think 0:00:46.720 --> 0:00:48.599 about it because you're like, I don't know, let me 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:52.960 let me think, because I think we all have I'm 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:56.240 generalizing tremendously here, but I think a lot of us 0:00:56.400 --> 0:01:01.240 have little like half waking events in our lives, um, 0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:05.759 you know, bits of dream etcetera. That they are kind 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:08.520 of suspect and means you can't explain, Yeah, things you 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:12.080 can't yeah, completely explain, and that if you really wanted to, 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:14.000 you could make a case that they're a part of 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:18.360 some phenomenon beyond you know, our understanding. No, yeah, I 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:21.600 think I've mentioned to you before that my grandmother that 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:24.120 you know, she's got some some more in the family 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:26.880 about how she and my grandfather saw a little green men. 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:30.040 But when you start to pick that apart a little 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:31.960 bit and ask her more questions, or when I had 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:36.360 asked her those questions, she couldn't really answer them, like 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:38.480 she didn't really want to talk about it. And then 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:41.200 I said, well, what about you know, Grandpa and what 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:43.360 was his deal, what was his take? And she said, well, 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:45.560 he didn't want to talk about it, which you know, 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:48.680 you could take that as like just and saying there 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:51.400 were no green aliens. But I'm not going to get 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:54.080 into this discussion, right. That's a I had a some 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:57.200 more thing in my family, had a couple of ants, 0:01:57.280 --> 0:02:00.120 or my mom had two ants, and they live in 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:02.920 this house together, and one night they apparently saw a 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:06.200 triangle shaped UFO in the backyard. But they but it 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:07.680 was again one of these things where they never talked 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:10.200 about it. You we just hear, like, you know, you know, secondhand, 0:02:10.200 --> 0:02:11.840 it's like, oh, well they saw UFO once, but they 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:13.360 don't like to talk about it, right. It was the 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:16.080 night that we shall not speak up right. Yeah. So, 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:17.600 and it seems like you see looking at some of 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:21.680 the studies that we examined researching this podcast, you do 0:02:21.880 --> 0:02:24.359 you see that a lot with people. There's like a 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:27.160 lot of the people who have who at least claimed 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:30.519 to have experienced an abduction experience. And should note that, 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:33.839 according to uh, some of the numbers we're looking at, UM, 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:36.600 more people are are prone to say, yes I saw 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:42.639 a UFO than yes I was abducted by extraterrestrials. But 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:46.120 but among those that have UM, they tend not to 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:47.920 want to make a big deal out of it. Have 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:50.600 been abducted that that claimed to have been abducted? Yeah, 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:53.680 they're they're they're not necessarily out there, you know, on 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:57.160 the news, um, you know, pushing for interviews or publishing 0:02:57.160 --> 0:02:59.160 their books. Yeah. Yeah, I mean if you look at 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:02.120 the stats on it, they're actually they're pretty like uh, 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:05.360 like Middle America if you're looking at the US, and 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:09.320 the majority of them don't have UM, any sort of 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:12.720 mental problems that would indicate that whatever they think they 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:16.519 saw was a figment of their imagination. So I guess 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:18.400 when you look at that and you say, well, what 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:20.480 you know, What's what's going on here? Why do so 0:03:20.480 --> 0:03:24.040 many Americans think that they've been ferried from their bed 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:27.840 at night? Um and had all these experiences? Why? Why 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:33.160 do why do you just regular ordinary jo's have these experiences? 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:36.280 Now you said, did you just say feried isn't? Did you? 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:38.880 Did I hear that right? Or yeah? I did, says 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:42.600 start thinking about hades. Okay, Well I think that's that's 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:47.360 key though, because um, today it's aliens, yes, but in 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:49.480 previous times and in other parts of the world, it 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:51.440 kind of depends on the world view. You have lots 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:56.360 of unexplainable phenomenon or phenomenon that at least defy explanation 0:03:57.040 --> 0:04:01.400 from certain view points, and throughout human history we've attributed 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:04.040 them to different things. We've attributed them to you know, 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:08.440 the the you know, the gods interfering when in human lives, 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:11.000 or you know, it's angels or its fairies, or it's 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:15.600 which is uh, you know the list is succuby, occupy 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:18.320 and yeah, we'll get into that in a minute. Um, 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:23.839 particularly with a dream thing. But your dream no, well, 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:28.400 no you or your dream? Oh yeah, this has sounded 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:30.640 very inceptionate. But I've been out more on that later. 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:34.400 But but yeah, like one of the accounts that I relate, um, 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:37.800 I like to to look at and uh and this 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:42.440 is more directly related to UFOs, was in seventeen in Fatima, Portugal, 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:46.200 a number of people claim to see these lights in 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:50.280 the sky right right. It was like a huge, a 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:54.400 huge event, and a lot of that was attributed you know, 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:58.159 like mass hysteria on one level. But but but the 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:01.960 interesting thing is that everybody like experienced it as as 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:05.680 this holy event. It was like the Virgin Mary descending 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:07.600 into the area and that right, like on a on 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:11.800 a cloud of light or something, right, yeah, descending into 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:15.840 this important to mention, highly Catholic area and uh and 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:19.160 and you know, and these people were not very scientifically 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:21.680 literate for the most part. Uh. You know, it's nineteen 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:25.400 seventeen and like you know, rural Portugal. So um, so 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:28.560 they ended up experiencing this in the form of a 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:34.760 religious event. Now, if that happened today in uh, you know, Huntsville, Alabama, 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:38.280 I'm thinking it would be a different experience entirely. Well 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:40.400 and I was actually thinking about I don't know if 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:42.240 you recall this, but a couple of years back there 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:44.320 was a woman in Georgia who claimed to see the 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:49.280 Virgin Mary in her old refrigerator, like the image burned 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:52.479 in or something. And I mean hundreds of people made 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:55.120 the pilgrimage and said, yes, indeed, I can see the 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:59.320 Virgin Mary and your refrigerator and not in literally but 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:03.159 on the outside of the refrigerator. And uh. And it 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:06.320 makes me think of like the just the pattern recognition 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:09.760 that your brain can't help but see because as humans 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:12.080 were just hardwired to sit there and say, oh, okay, 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:14.080 that that I do see that, I do see the 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:15.960 Virgin Mary. Yeah. I mean it comes down to like 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:18.640 if you draw, you know, a line and add two dots, 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:20.680 we see a human face. So it's it's not too 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:22.560 much more of a stretch to to see the human 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:25.200 form in anything. And then also, if I'm gonna travel 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:27.440 a hundred miles on the chance that I'm going to 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:29.600 see the Virgin Mary and a refrigerator, I'm going to 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:32.440 see the Virgin Mary and a refrigerator. Yeah, right right, 0:06:32.480 --> 0:06:36.839 And yeah, and there's that excitement, there's that group think. Yeah, 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:39.560 so that or mass hysteria, as you had said in 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:42.520 a case of fatima. But let's let's look at some 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:44.960 of the stats. Um that within the numbers we have 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:50.080 out there regarding alien abduction. Um, tell me about that. 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:52.760 What is it the is it the roper Yeah, there's 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:56.000 a roper pole which basically says that something like four 0:06:56.080 --> 0:07:00.240 million Americans have had a certain uh indicator or of 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:04.960 experience that maybe an alien abduction. Right, And this is 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:12.840 this is a highly suspect um study according to some people. Yeah. Actually, Um, 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:15.600 the study they dentually did a couple of different studies. 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:19.000 They did one report specifically in which they pulled four 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:23.280 thousand people and they asked them five questions. And when 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:26.640 people answered those questions, that's something like the predominantly four 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:29.440 out of five people answered yes to those questions. Right now, 0:07:29.440 --> 0:07:32.280 the first question is where you abducted by aliens? Right? No, 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:35.480 that's the problem with it. There's no like, hey do 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:37.920 you do you believe in aliens? Have you ever been abducted? 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:40.200 The questions who are along the lines of have you 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:42.920 ever woken up paralyzed with a sense of a strange 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:45.520 person or presence or something else in the room? Okay, 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:48.040 well I've had that for sure. Yeah, yeah, I have 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:51.680 to Yeah, I've had you have experienced sleep paralysis, which 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:54.760 is what that sounds like. Uh. But the problem is 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:57.360 is that they took the study and they mailed at 0:07:57.400 --> 0:08:01.840 something like one hundred thousand mental health professionals, and the 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:06.160 foreword was written by a man named John Mack, who 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:09.920 was a Harvard psychiatrist. So what happened is you've got 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:13.520 this sense of credibility creeping up in this study, and 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:17.560 all of a sudden you're talking to psychiatrists about what 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:21.400 sounds like it could be a real phenomenon. Yeah. And 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:23.560 and while we were talking earlier, I can I can 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:26.760 easily imagine if this were to hit the internet today, 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:30.000 you know, all the variations of it that would would 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:33.280 trickle down through all the blogs and Facebook's profiles would 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:36.240 be like would just be stuff like all MG, Harvard 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:40.920 dude says, alien abductions happened to everyone, right, Yeah, So 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:43.120 I mean that's that that was one thing that happened 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:46.679 that certainly could explain some of the uptipic we've seen 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:49.800 and the last couple of decades of people claiming to 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:55.040 have had alien abduction experiences, um, when in fact it 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:58.760 looks to us like it's more of a shared cultural script. 0:08:58.760 --> 0:09:02.280 And if you think about it the incubus, the succubus 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:05.840 um and incubus and succubus uh. For those of you 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:09.440 who aren't included into the dungeons and dragons as much 0:09:09.480 --> 0:09:12.480 as we are. Um, this is uh in folk tales 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:15.560 and stuff, and it can can be very light. But yeah, 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:19.000 the the the succubus correct wrong is the female demon 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:23.320 and the incubus or incubi plural is the male demon. 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:25.760 And these are demons of lust that come to you 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:28.640 in the night. Right. So if you're a nun or 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:33.480 let's say a virgin in the mediaval ages, and you 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:35.760 wake up in the middle of the night and maybe 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:40.880 during sleep paralysis, you may imagine yourself to be pinned 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:44.280 down by a succubus or an incubus. So these are 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:49.559 the sort of cultural MEM's ideas that have evolved into 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:53.920 what I think now is is the the alien succubus 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:58.680 if you will, incubus. Yeah, yeah, a number of experts. Yeah, 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:02.120 the Boogeyman or the was one. I have to look 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:04.640 at my sleep paralysis section of the notes. Yeah, this 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:06.920 one came up, and I believe this was in the 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:12.240 and the Susan Blackmore article. She mentioned the Old Hag 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:15.920 of Newfoundland that presses on people's chest. And I find 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:17.920 that particularly amazing because I lived in Newfoundland for a 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:20.160 few years as a child, but was never but it 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:24.440 was never visited by a strange hag that that like 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:28.720 stepped in my chest. But when I lived in Tennessee, 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:31.600 I was pretty sure at once. And this was like rural, 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:34.880 middle of nowhere Tennessee, during the height of my um 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:40.040 paranoia about alien abductions, thanks a lot unsolved mysteries, Um, 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:43.760 I was yeah, and well luckily I was no. I 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:46.000 think later I was watching a Fause two, which did 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:49.760 not help at all, but the that the unsolved mysteries 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:52.880 especially had me terrified. And and I do remember waking 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:54.840 up kind of like you know again, feeling kind of 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:56.880 paralyzed and feeling like there was something setting on the 0:10:56.920 --> 0:11:00.200 edge of my bed, and uh, you know, so so 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:02.680 clearly according to the Roper study, it was it was 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:05.960 an alien abduction. Yeah. And now you need to go 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:08.320 to a support group. Yeah, And I need to go 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:10.520 to see a therapist to find out what the rest 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:12.200 of it is. Right, One of those therapists on that 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:14.560 list that received one of the copies of that report 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:18.319 would be great too. Because I could really substantiate your experience. Now, 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:20.960 now real quick, back at the Roper poll one last time. 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:24.679 This is again controversial early nineties, but according to the 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:27.320 I think these are like two of the people polled 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:30.839 claimed to have been abducted, abducted by aliens. So the 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:34.440 extra extrapolating that you get to the premise that four 0:11:34.559 --> 0:11:39.280 million Americans may have been abducted by aliens, which is 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:42.520 a lot and and and and got and garnered some 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:45.720 international attention, right, I mean people were wondering what's going 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:47.880 on in America? Right, yeah, yeah, I mean if you 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:51.040 actually get back to Susan Blackmore, she was actually put 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:56.400 on assignment by BBC because BBC said, what what's going on? Why? 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:59.760 Why are so many people in America claiming to be abducted? 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:04.480 So she actually, um, I started looking into it. And 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:06.920 first she started to look at the brain and how 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:10.400 the brain can trick us. And one of the things 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:14.400 we've already mentioned is sleep paralysis. Sometimes we become mentally 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:19.079 alert and we can't move um when we've just woken up, 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:23.080 and that feels really unsettling, and that can actually uh 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:29.080 make our body brain d synchronize. And then when that happens. 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:33.800 We can have hallucinations. So if you think about that too, 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:37.199 look at the logic behind that. You're in bed, you're paralyzed, 0:12:37.760 --> 0:12:40.199 your brain is fritzing, and all of a sudden you 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:41.800 think you see something at the end of the bed 0:12:42.360 --> 0:12:45.040 sounds does a start to sound like the cultural script 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:47.160 that we've been hearing about with aliens. I was in 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:50.720 my bed, I couldn't move and something was there. Something 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:52.840 was there. It spirited me off. By the way, this 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:58.640 is another time the during sleep paralysis is desynchronization when 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:01.480 you might feel like your floating or you're having out 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:05.000 of body experience. And this also seems to um I think, 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:09.439 like a lot of aspects of the abduction experience. It 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:14.400 really keep keys into a central fear in just our 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:17.200 animal nature, the fear of something happening to us while 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:20.240 we're asleep and vulnerable. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Yeah. We've talked 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:23.319 about this before with animals and how they sleep and 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:26.000 unit hemispheric sleep, so they shut they can shut off 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:27.439 one part of their brain and just kind of keep 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:29.959 one eye on the action. So we've evolved to the 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:32.840 point where we don't necessarily need to worry about predators, right, 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:34.600 So you're right, there could be a little bit of 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:38.160 an evolutionary hangover there. Yeah, to call back to another podcast, 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:40.000 but you know it's something that you know, our our 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:42.480 bodies are saying, Hey, you may not be eating in 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:44.520 your sleep now, but it might happen later. So we're 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:48.120 just gonna keep that that level of neural fear alive 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:54.720 for a while. Um. And and like of people tend 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:57.800 to experience sleep paralysis, so it's uh, it's it's a 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:03.920 fairly common thing. Yeah. And actually Blackmore didn't stuff there. 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:09.439 She went and visited a neuroscientist named Michael Persinger, and 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:14.040 he is someone who believes that out of body experience 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:16.960 and alien abductions are linked to excessive bursts of electoral 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:19.480 electrical activity in the temporal lobe. And this is the 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:21.840 God helmet guy, right, Yeah, he created the God helmet. 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:23.400 That's what it's called. I think he actually calls it 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:26.920 the octopus or something like that. Um, it's actually a 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:31.400 helmet with solenoids that deliver pulses of magnetic field that 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:34.920 stimulates the temporal lobe and induces the what he thinks 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:38.120 are the types of hallucinations that people experience. Stuff tied 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:41.240 to near death experience stuff tied to encounters with the 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:45.040 supernatural experiences with ghosts, and again ghost is another thing, 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:50.200 another version well ghosts or another way that we sometimes, 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:53.720 I think interpret these strange encounters. Yeah, another cultural script 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:56.680 that we explain, try to explain the things that happened 0:14:56.680 --> 0:15:00.240 in our brain. But she went and she visited him 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:03.000 and UM, which she learned is that people vary in 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:07.320 temporal lobe mobility. So some people have a high mobility 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:10.480 and some people have a low mobility. The high ability 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:14.560 people have unstable temporal lobes and they exhibit frequent bursts 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:17.120 of energy. So if you're on the low end, then 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:20.760 you're not obviously having that much activity with UM with 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:23.520 those sort of bursts of energy. But the people with 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:25.680 the high ability that those people have been thought to 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:27.440 be more creative in the sense that they tend to 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:34.320 have reported experiences of deja vu to mystical and psychic experiences. 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:38.120 So the thought that is the thought that there is 0:15:38.120 --> 0:15:41.360 that they're a little bit more predisposed to have some 0:15:41.400 --> 0:15:44.480 sort of imagination in that area that might be tripped 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:50.240 off by this UM electromagnetic field. And another really interesting 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:53.040 thing that Blackmore found out about person goer is that 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:56.360 he reports that strange experiences tend to peek in the 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:59.960 weeks and the months before earthquakes when magnetic changes may occur. 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:03.800 So his ideas that that these magnetic changes are influencing 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:07.320 the temporal lobe and UH and and if you're more 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:10.360 susceptible to those kind of changes, then who knows what 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:12.880 you'll see right right? And on top of that, you 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:17.480 may have UM, you may have post traumatic stress syndrome 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:22.200 and some sort of delayed UM reaction to that. UM, 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:25.760 you may have other sorts of traumatic experiences that could 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:29.600 arise in that sort of environment. And black Moire herself 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:33.520 actually underwent the experiment, and she indeed felt some sort 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:36.560 of presence uh during this time. And in fact, she 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:39.760 was this was really interesting. She wasn't so much freaked 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:42.120 out by the UM, by the fact that she had 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:45.960 just put on this helmet with you know, but and 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:49.080 had this experience, but the fact that Persinger was actually 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:53.360 messing around the solenoids, and her thought was, well, okay, 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:56.440 you know, so what if I have this hallucination, what 0:16:56.520 --> 0:16:59.120 about this guy messing around with my magnetic field? I mean, 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:02.000 how can we look at that? You know that use 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:04.800 that could someone be an evil genius and and start 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:08.800 missing with us purposely in some way. So that was 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:16.119 for experience of that, which is pretty cool. This presentation 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:23.560 is brought to you by Intel sponsors of Tomorrow. Now. 0:17:23.560 --> 0:17:27.159 It's interesting you mentioned that that the creative, more creative 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:31.160 people are more prone to some of these temporal lobe anomalies. Yeah, 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:34.439 and uh and and this this centers on something that 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:36.280 I've I've thought a lot about, like the idea that like, 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:39.560 creative people are more more prone to be crazy sometimes 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:43.239 or at least and sort of self destructively crazy, and 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:45.480 a lot of that I feel And I'm kind of 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:47.040 I'm kind of building my own thing here out of 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:49.719 you know, some some New Age stuff I've I've gotten 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:52.240 here and some research stuff I've gotten here. But but 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:56.000 we're less creative people. Both of us are both we're 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:59.440 both writers, and uh and I feel like as as writers, 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:02.679 you're you're more prone to create things that are story shaped. 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:06.520 You want to craft things into a story. And human memory, 0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:09.680 as it turns out, is a lot about crafting a story. 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:12.719 And uh. And this actually falls back on something that 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:16.440 Susan Blackbourne mentioned, and that's that we use stored information 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:20.400 to reconstruct plausible accounts of past events. That that our 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:24.199 memory is based on taking all this sense data and 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:27.280 building a little story and then filing that story away. 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:30.119 And um. And we're humans. So a lot of the 0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:32.199 stories we create, I mean, we're at the center of 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:36.439 all these stories because we're selfish little creatures. And uh. 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:38.000 And a lot of these stories are you know, they're 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:41.280 we can create awesome, amazing stories with these brains of ours, 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:43.720 but we often create little pathetic stories and little sad 0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:47.000 stories and little you know, poor me stories and uh. 0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:49.199 And so I've wondered at time if at times, if 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:53.040 if creative people are simply just we're faster at it, 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:56.280 Like you give us some like mildly depressing stimuli and 0:18:56.359 --> 0:18:58.399 plan we can turn that into a story with us 0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:00.400 at the center of it drop of the hat, where 0:19:00.440 --> 0:19:03.600 someone less creative it would maybe it would take a 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:07.359 little more effort and a little more determination to make 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:11.840 a sad story or a like ego inflating story out 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:15.679 of said stimuli. HM. That's interesting. So it's sort of 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:18.680 like left handed people have a with the theory is 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:22.920 that they've got a quicker uptake with information processing. So 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:25.960 we'd have a quicker story making machine up there with 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:29.320 our our little monkeys are cranky amount a lot faster. Yeah, huh, 0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:31.800 I've got to think. Well, I think too. With writing, 0:19:31.840 --> 0:19:34.520 there's the compulsion to write, right, And if you think 0:19:34.520 --> 0:19:38.359 about Freud and Um was the compulsion repulsion theory that 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:41.159 you continue to work thrings through your mind so that 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:44.160 you can master them. So I don't know. Maybe maybe 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:51.040 it's just because we're inherently um freaks perhaps, But but 0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:53.320 back to alien abduction, this ties back into that because 0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:56.320 we talked about all right, So let's say I think 0:19:56.359 --> 0:19:58.720 an alien might have said on my bed and I 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:02.080 was a child, all right, and and I and I'm 0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:05.760 meeting one of the criteria for possibly having been abducted 0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:08.600 by an alien according to the Roper Report. So I 0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:11.879 go to a therapist to try and unlock these uh, 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:14.159 these memories that are hidden from me, right, okay, right, 0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:16.600 and I'm already you know that memory is not something 0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:20.000 that's locked down or that's completely true. Right again, it's 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:22.880 just you know, all this stimuli turn turning it into 0:20:22.920 --> 0:20:26.159 little stories. So as as it turns out, it is 0:20:26.200 --> 0:20:29.639 possible to create false memories. Now this this can't this 0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:32.200 is not something that can account for all the abduction 0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:33.960 stories out there. So it's you know, this is just 0:20:34.080 --> 0:20:37.720 one one more item in the how it works. Is 0:20:37.760 --> 0:20:40.000 this because you might, as a creative think already have 0:20:40.040 --> 0:20:42.920 a script in your mind or is it also because 0:20:42.960 --> 0:20:46.160 you're being led by the for the therapists. I think both. 0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:48.240 I think that's that's one thing we mentioned, like if 0:20:48.240 --> 0:20:50.600 you're going to a therapist, you know, to to unlock 0:20:50.680 --> 0:20:54.480 these these secrets uh off your past. For one hand, 0:20:54.520 --> 0:20:56.200 you could go to a therapist that is going to 0:20:56.280 --> 0:21:00.280 be more inclined to help you create that that version 0:21:00.280 --> 0:21:03.360 of events. So it's sort of like the person who 0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:06.159 who claims to have esp and starts to sort of 0:21:06.200 --> 0:21:10.199 hint around and say so your cousin starts with a 0:21:10.359 --> 0:21:13.760 j that, so they're sort of leading leading the witnesses. 0:21:13.920 --> 0:21:16.919 And under hypnosis you can you can implant ideas, and 0:21:16.960 --> 0:21:19.720 you can you can sort of steer the creation of 0:21:20.119 --> 0:21:23.360 so called false memories. So that's sort of that meant, 0:21:23.400 --> 0:21:27.240 that's another layer there that that helps us to explain 0:21:27.280 --> 0:21:30.320 why people are having these memories of these thoughts. Right, 0:21:30.560 --> 0:21:32.679 He's like, the key is that false memories can be 0:21:32.720 --> 0:21:35.840 created through through hypnosis or even through just I mean, 0:21:36.680 --> 0:21:39.439 if you've ever dealt with anybody who like is, you know, 0:21:39.480 --> 0:21:42.200 has a lot of denial going on, you can see 0:21:42.240 --> 0:21:45.520 that we can create visions of versions of reality, you know, 0:21:46.440 --> 0:21:48.720 well whatever will actually fit our needs. And they've actually 0:21:48.800 --> 0:21:52.480 done this in studies before they've recreated they've implanted false 0:21:52.520 --> 0:21:55.720 memories under hypnosis, and they've actually had I remember I 0:21:55.760 --> 0:21:58.320 can't remember what the premise was, but um, what they 0:21:58.320 --> 0:22:01.040 did is they worked with the discipant and then they 0:22:01.040 --> 0:22:05.040 had the family later on corroborate the events and so 0:22:05.160 --> 0:22:06.960 the person so when they brought that up they said 0:22:06.960 --> 0:22:09.080 do you remember that time that dada happened? The person 0:22:09.119 --> 0:22:11.240