1 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, welcome to stuff to Blow your Mind. 3 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 1: My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Julie Douglas. And 4 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:20,639 Speaker 1: tell me, Julie. Um, this is kind of a personal question. 5 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: I hope you don't mind me asking, But have you 6 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: ever been abducted by aliens and probed in a UFO somewhere? Oh? 7 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: My goodness, that is personal. Um, No, I haven't. I 8 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: gotta be quite honest here. I would love to make 9 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 1: something up, but I have not. That's the weird thing. 10 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 1: Is like like when someone asked me that question, and 11 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: not that they ask every day, you know, just on 12 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: public transportation. But but but you do have to think 13 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:48,599 Speaker 1: about it because you're like, I don't know, let me 14 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: let me think, because I think we all have I'm 15 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: generalizing tremendously here, but I think a lot of us 16 00:00:56,400 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: have little like half waking events in our lives, um, 17 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:05,759 Speaker 1: you know, bits of dream etcetera. That they are kind 18 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: of suspect and means you can't explain, Yeah, things you 19 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: can't yeah, completely explain, and that if you really wanted to, 20 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: you could make a case that they're a part of 21 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: some phenomenon beyond you know, our understanding. No, yeah, I 22 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: think I've mentioned to you before that my grandmother that 23 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: you know, she's got some some more in the family 24 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: about how she and my grandfather saw a little green men. 25 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 1: But when you start to pick that apart a little 26 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 1: bit and ask her more questions, or when I had 27 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: asked her those questions, she couldn't really answer them, like 28 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 1: she didn't really want to talk about it. And then 29 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: I said, well, what about you know, Grandpa and what 30 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: was his deal, what was his take? And she said, well, 31 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: he didn't want to talk about it, which you know, 32 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: you could take that as like just and saying there 33 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: were no green aliens. But I'm not going to get 34 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: into this discussion, right. That's a I had a some 35 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: more thing in my family, had a couple of ants, 36 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 1: or my mom had two ants, and they live in 37 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: this house together, and one night they apparently saw a 38 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: triangle shaped UFO in the backyard. But they but it 39 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: was again one of these things where they never talked 40 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: about it. You we just hear, like, you know, you know, secondhand, 41 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: it's like, oh, well they saw UFO once, but they 42 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 1: don't like to talk about it, right. It was the 43 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 1: night that we shall not speak up right. Yeah. So, 44 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: and it seems like you see looking at some of 45 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 1: the studies that we examined researching this podcast, you do 46 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 1: you see that a lot with people. There's like a 47 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: lot of the people who have who at least claimed 48 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:30,519 Speaker 1: to have experienced an abduction experience. And should note that, 49 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,839 Speaker 1: according to uh, some of the numbers we're looking at, UM, 50 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: more people are are prone to say, yes I saw 51 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:42,639 Speaker 1: a UFO than yes I was abducted by extraterrestrials. But 52 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: but among those that have UM, they tend not to 53 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 1: want to make a big deal out of it. Have 54 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: been abducted that that claimed to have been abducted? Yeah, 55 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: they're they're they're not necessarily out there, you know, on 56 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: the news, um, you know, pushing for interviews or publishing 57 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: their books. Yeah. Yeah, I mean if you look at 58 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: the stats on it, they're actually they're pretty like uh, 59 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: like Middle America if you're looking at the US, and 60 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: the majority of them don't have UM, any sort of 61 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: mental problems that would indicate that whatever they think they 62 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 1: saw was a figment of their imagination. So I guess 63 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: when you look at that and you say, well, what 64 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: you know, What's what's going on here? Why do so 65 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: many Americans think that they've been ferried from their bed 66 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: at night? Um and had all these experiences? Why? Why 67 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: do why do you just regular ordinary jo's have these experiences? 68 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: Now you said, did you just say feried isn't? Did you? 69 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: Did I hear that right? Or yeah? I did, says 70 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: start thinking about hades. Okay, Well I think that's that's 71 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: key though, because um, today it's aliens, yes, but in 72 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: previous times and in other parts of the world, it 73 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: kind of depends on the world view. You have lots 74 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: of unexplainable phenomenon or phenomenon that at least defy explanation 75 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: from certain view points, and throughout human history we've attributed 76 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: them to different things. We've attributed them to you know, 77 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: the the you know, the gods interfering when in human lives, 78 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: or you know, it's angels or its fairies, or it's 79 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: which is uh, you know the list is succuby, occupy 80 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: and yeah, we'll get into that in a minute. Um, 81 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: particularly with a dream thing. But your dream no, well, 82 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: no you or your dream? Oh yeah, this has sounded 83 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: very inceptionate. But I've been out more on that later. 84 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: But but yeah, like one of the accounts that I relate, um, 85 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: I like to to look at and uh and this 86 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: is more directly related to UFOs, was in seventeen in Fatima, Portugal, 87 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: a number of people claim to see these lights in 88 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 1: the sky right right. It was like a huge, a 89 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: huge event, and a lot of that was attributed you know, 90 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 1: like mass hysteria on one level. But but but the 91 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: interesting thing is that everybody like experienced it as as 92 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: this holy event. It was like the Virgin Mary descending 93 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 1: into the area and that right, like on a on 94 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: a cloud of light or something, right, yeah, descending into 95 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 1: this important to mention, highly Catholic area and uh and 96 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 1: and you know, and these people were not very scientifically 97 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 1: literate for the most part. Uh. You know, it's nineteen 98 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: seventeen and like you know, rural Portugal. So um, so 99 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: they ended up experiencing this in the form of a 100 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: religious event. Now, if that happened today in uh, you know, Huntsville, Alabama, 101 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 1: I'm thinking it would be a different experience entirely. Well 102 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: and I was actually thinking about I don't know if 103 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: you recall this, but a couple of years back there 104 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: was a woman in Georgia who claimed to see the 105 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 1: Virgin Mary in her old refrigerator, like the image burned 106 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 1: in or something. And I mean hundreds of people made 107 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: the pilgrimage and said, yes, indeed, I can see the 108 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: Virgin Mary and your refrigerator and not in literally but 109 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 1: on the outside of the refrigerator. And uh. And it 110 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: makes me think of like the just the pattern recognition 111 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: that your brain can't help but see because as humans 112 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: were just hardwired to sit there and say, oh, okay, 113 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: that that I do see that, I do see the 114 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: Virgin Mary. Yeah. I mean it comes down to like 115 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: if you draw, you know, a line and add two dots, 116 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: we see a human face. So it's it's not too 117 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: much more of a stretch to to see the human 118 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: form in anything. And then also, if I'm gonna travel 119 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: a hundred miles on the chance that I'm going to 120 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 1: see the Virgin Mary and a refrigerator, I'm going to 121 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: see the Virgin Mary and a refrigerator. Yeah, right right, 122 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 1: And yeah, and there's that excitement, there's that group think. Yeah, 123 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: so that or mass hysteria, as you had said in 124 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: a case of fatima. But let's let's look at some 125 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: of the stats. Um that within the numbers we have 126 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: out there regarding alien abduction. Um, tell me about that. 127 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: What is it the is it the roper Yeah, there's 128 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: a roper pole which basically says that something like four 129 00:06:56,080 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: million Americans have had a certain uh indicator or of 130 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: experience that maybe an alien abduction. Right, And this is 131 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: this is a highly suspect um study according to some people. Yeah. Actually, Um, 132 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: the study they dentually did a couple of different studies. 133 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: They did one report specifically in which they pulled four 134 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: thousand people and they asked them five questions. And when 135 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: people answered those questions, that's something like the predominantly four 136 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: out of five people answered yes to those questions. Right now, 137 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: the first question is where you abducted by aliens? Right? No, 138 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: that's the problem with it. There's no like, hey do 139 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: you do you believe in aliens? Have you ever been abducted? 140 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: The questions who are along the lines of have you 141 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: ever woken up paralyzed with a sense of a strange 142 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: person or presence or something else in the room? Okay, 143 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: well I've had that for sure. Yeah, yeah, I have 144 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: to Yeah, I've had you have experienced sleep paralysis, which 145 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: is what that sounds like. Uh. But the problem is 146 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: is that they took the study and they mailed at 147 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: something like one hundred thousand mental health professionals, and the 148 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: foreword was written by a man named John Mack, who 149 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: was a Harvard psychiatrist. So what happened is you've got 150 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: this sense of credibility creeping up in this study, and 151 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: all of a sudden you're talking to psychiatrists about what 152 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: sounds like it could be a real phenomenon. Yeah. And 153 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: and while we were talking earlier, I can I can 154 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: easily imagine if this were to hit the internet today, 155 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: you know, all the variations of it that would would 156 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: trickle down through all the blogs and Facebook's profiles would 157 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: be like would just be stuff like all MG, Harvard 158 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: dude says, alien abductions happened to everyone, right, Yeah, So 159 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: I mean that's that that was one thing that happened 160 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 1: that certainly could explain some of the uptipic we've seen 161 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: and the last couple of decades of people claiming to 162 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: have had alien abduction experiences, um, when in fact it 163 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: looks to us like it's more of a shared cultural script. 164 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: And if you think about it the incubus, the succubus 165 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: um and incubus and succubus uh. For those of you 166 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 1: who aren't included into the dungeons and dragons as much 167 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: as we are. Um, this is uh in folk tales 168 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: and stuff, and it can can be very light. But yeah, 169 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: the the the succubus correct wrong is the female demon 170 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 1: and the incubus or incubi plural is the male demon. 171 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: And these are demons of lust that come to you 172 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: in the night. Right. So if you're a nun or 173 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: let's say a virgin in the mediaval ages, and you 174 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: wake up in the middle of the night and maybe 175 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: during sleep paralysis, you may imagine yourself to be pinned 176 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: down by a succubus or an incubus. So these are 177 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:49,559 Speaker 1: the sort of cultural MEM's ideas that have evolved into 178 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: what I think now is is the the alien succubus 179 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 1: if you will, incubus. Yeah, yeah, a number of experts. Yeah, 180 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: the Boogeyman or the was one. I have to look 181 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: at my sleep paralysis section of the notes. Yeah, this 182 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: one came up, and I believe this was in the 183 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: and the Susan Blackmore article. She mentioned the Old Hag 184 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: of Newfoundland that presses on people's chest. And I find 185 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: that particularly amazing because I lived in Newfoundland for a 186 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: few years as a child, but was never but it 187 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 1: was never visited by a strange hag that that like 188 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: stepped in my chest. But when I lived in Tennessee, 189 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: I was pretty sure at once. And this was like rural, 190 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: middle of nowhere Tennessee, during the height of my um 191 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: paranoia about alien abductions, thanks a lot unsolved mysteries, Um, 192 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: I was yeah, and well luckily I was no. I 193 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: think later I was watching a Fause two, which did 194 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: not help at all, but the that the unsolved mysteries 195 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: especially had me terrified. And and I do remember waking 196 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: up kind of like you know again, feeling kind of 197 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: paralyzed and feeling like there was something setting on the 198 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 1: edge of my bed, and uh, you know, so so 199 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 1: clearly according to the Roper study, it was it was 200 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 1: an alien abduction. Yeah. And now you need to go 201 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 1: to a support group. Yeah, And I need to go 202 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: to see a therapist to find out what the rest 203 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 1: of it is. Right, One of those therapists on that 204 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 1: list that received one of the copies of that report 205 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:18,319 Speaker 1: would be great too. Because I could really substantiate your experience. Now, 206 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 1: now real quick, back at the Roper poll one last time. 207 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 1: This is again controversial early nineties, but according to the 208 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 1: I think these are like two of the people polled 209 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,839 Speaker 1: claimed to have been abducted, abducted by aliens. So the 210 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 1: extra extrapolating that you get to the premise that four 211 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: million Americans may have been abducted by aliens, which is 212 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: a lot and and and and got and garnered some 213 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 1: international attention, right, I mean people were wondering what's going 214 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: on in America? Right, yeah, yeah, I mean if you 215 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: actually get back to Susan Blackmore, she was actually put 216 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: on assignment by BBC because BBC said, what what's going on? Why? 217 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: Why are so many people in America claiming to be abducted? 218 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: So she actually, um, I started looking into it. And 219 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: first she started to look at the brain and how 220 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: the brain can trick us. And one of the things 221 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: we've already mentioned is sleep paralysis. Sometimes we become mentally 222 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:19,079 Speaker 1: alert and we can't move um when we've just woken up, 223 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 1: and that feels really unsettling, and that can actually uh 224 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 1: make our body brain d synchronize. And then when that happens. 225 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: We can have hallucinations. So if you think about that too, 226 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,199 Speaker 1: look at the logic behind that. You're in bed, you're paralyzed, 227 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,199 Speaker 1: your brain is fritzing, and all of a sudden you 228 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: think you see something at the end of the bed 229 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: sounds does a start to sound like the cultural script 230 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: that we've been hearing about with aliens. I was in 231 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: my bed, I couldn't move and something was there. Something 232 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: was there. It spirited me off. By the way, this 233 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: is another time the during sleep paralysis is desynchronization when 234 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: you might feel like your floating or you're having out 235 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: of body experience. And this also seems to um I think, 236 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:09,439 Speaker 1: like a lot of aspects of the abduction experience. It 237 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: really keep keys into a central fear in just our 238 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 1: animal nature, the fear of something happening to us while 239 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: we're asleep and vulnerable. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Yeah. We've talked 240 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,319 Speaker 1: about this before with animals and how they sleep and 241 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: unit hemispheric sleep, so they shut they can shut off 242 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:27,439 Speaker 1: one part of their brain and just kind of keep 243 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:29,959 Speaker 1: one eye on the action. So we've evolved to the 244 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 1: point where we don't necessarily need to worry about predators, right, 245 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: So you're right, there could be a little bit of 246 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: an evolutionary hangover there. Yeah, to call back to another podcast, 247 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: but you know it's something that you know, our our 248 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: bodies are saying, Hey, you may not be eating in 249 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: your sleep now, but it might happen later. So we're 250 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: just gonna keep that that level of neural fear alive 251 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: for a while. Um. And and like of people tend 252 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: to experience sleep paralysis, so it's uh, it's it's a 253 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: fairly common thing. Yeah. And actually Blackmore didn't stuff there. 254 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:09,439 Speaker 1: She went and visited a neuroscientist named Michael Persinger, and 255 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: he is someone who believes that out of body experience 256 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 1: and alien abductions are linked to excessive bursts of electoral 257 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: electrical activity in the temporal lobe. And this is the 258 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: God helmet guy, right, Yeah, he created the God helmet. 259 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: That's what it's called. I think he actually calls it 260 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: the octopus or something like that. Um, it's actually a 261 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: helmet with solenoids that deliver pulses of magnetic field that 262 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: stimulates the temporal lobe and induces the what he thinks 263 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: are the types of hallucinations that people experience. Stuff tied 264 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: to near death experience stuff tied to encounters with the 265 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: supernatural experiences with ghosts, and again ghost is another thing, 266 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: another version well ghosts or another way that we sometimes, 267 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: I think interpret these strange encounters. Yeah, another cultural script 268 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: that we explain, try to explain the things that happened 269 00:14:56,680 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: in our brain. But she went and she visited him 270 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: and UM, which she learned is that people vary in 271 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: temporal lobe mobility. So some people have a high mobility 272 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: and some people have a low mobility. The high ability 273 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: people have unstable temporal lobes and they exhibit frequent bursts 274 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: of energy. So if you're on the low end, then 275 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: you're not obviously having that much activity with UM with 276 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: those sort of bursts of energy. But the people with 277 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: the high ability that those people have been thought to 278 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: be more creative in the sense that they tend to 279 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: have reported experiences of deja vu to mystical and psychic experiences. 280 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: So the thought that is the thought that there is 281 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: that they're a little bit more predisposed to have some 282 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: sort of imagination in that area that might be tripped 283 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 1: off by this UM electromagnetic field. And another really interesting 284 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: thing that Blackmore found out about person goer is that 285 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: he reports that strange experiences tend to peek in the 286 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: weeks and the months before earthquakes when magnetic changes may occur. 287 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: So his ideas that that these magnetic changes are influencing 288 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: the temporal lobe and UH and and if you're more 289 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: susceptible to those kind of changes, then who knows what 290 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: you'll see right right? And on top of that, you 291 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: may have UM, you may have post traumatic stress syndrome 292 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: and some sort of delayed UM reaction to that. UM, 293 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: you may have other sorts of traumatic experiences that could 294 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: arise in that sort of environment. And black Moire herself 295 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: actually underwent the experiment, and she indeed felt some sort 296 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: of presence uh during this time. And in fact, she 297 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: was this was really interesting. She wasn't so much freaked 298 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: out by the UM, by the fact that she had 299 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: just put on this helmet with you know, but and 300 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: had this experience, but the fact that Persinger was actually 301 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: messing around the solenoids, and her thought was, well, okay, 302 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: you know, so what if I have this hallucination, what 303 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: about this guy messing around with my magnetic field? I mean, 304 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: how can we look at that? You know that use 305 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: that could someone be an evil genius and and start 306 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: missing with us purposely in some way. So that was 307 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 1: for experience of that, which is pretty cool. This presentation 308 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: is brought to you by Intel sponsors of Tomorrow. Now. 309 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:27,159 Speaker 1: It's interesting you mentioned that that the creative, more creative 310 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 1: people are more prone to some of these temporal lobe anomalies. Yeah, 311 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:34,439 Speaker 1: and uh and and this this centers on something that 312 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: I've I've thought a lot about, like the idea that like, 313 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: creative people are more more prone to be crazy sometimes 314 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:43,239 Speaker 1: or at least and sort of self destructively crazy, and 315 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 1: a lot of that I feel And I'm kind of 316 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: I'm kind of building my own thing here out of 317 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,719 Speaker 1: you know, some some New Age stuff I've I've gotten 318 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: here and some research stuff I've gotten here. But but 319 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: we're less creative people. Both of us are both we're 320 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 1: both writers, and uh and I feel like as as writers, 321 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,679 Speaker 1: you're you're more prone to create things that are story shaped. 322 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: You want to craft things into a story. And human memory, 323 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 1: as it turns out, is a lot about crafting a story. 324 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:12,719 Speaker 1: And uh. And this actually falls back on something that 325 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 1: Susan Blackbourne mentioned, and that's that we use stored information 326 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 1: to reconstruct plausible accounts of past events. That that our 327 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:24,199 Speaker 1: memory is based on taking all this sense data and 328 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: building a little story and then filing that story away. 329 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 1: And um. And we're humans. So a lot of the 330 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:32,199 Speaker 1: stories we create, I mean, we're at the center of 331 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 1: all these stories because we're selfish little creatures. And uh. 332 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: And a lot of these stories are you know, they're 333 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: we can create awesome, amazing stories with these brains of ours, 334 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: but we often create little pathetic stories and little sad 335 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: stories and little you know, poor me stories and uh. 336 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:49,199 Speaker 1: And so I've wondered at time if at times, if 337 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: if creative people are simply just we're faster at it, 338 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: Like you give us some like mildly depressing stimuli and 339 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 1: plan we can turn that into a story with us 340 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 1: at the center of it drop of the hat, where 341 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: someone less creative it would maybe it would take a 342 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 1: little more effort and a little more determination to make 343 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: a sad story or a like ego inflating story out 344 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:15,679 Speaker 1: of said stimuli. HM. That's interesting. So it's sort of 345 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 1: like left handed people have a with the theory is 346 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 1: that they've got a quicker uptake with information processing. So 347 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: we'd have a quicker story making machine up there with 348 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: our our little monkeys are cranky amount a lot faster. Yeah, huh, 349 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: I've got to think. Well, I think too. With writing, 350 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: there's the compulsion to write, right, And if you think 351 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 1: about Freud and Um was the compulsion repulsion theory that 352 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 1: you continue to work thrings through your mind so that 353 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 1: you can master them. So I don't know. Maybe maybe 354 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: it's just because we're inherently um freaks perhaps, But but 355 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: back to alien abduction, this ties back into that because 356 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: we talked about all right, So let's say I think 357 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: an alien might have said on my bed and I 358 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: was a child, all right, and and I and I'm 359 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: meeting one of the criteria for possibly having been abducted 360 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: by an alien according to the Roper Report. So I 361 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 1: go to a therapist to try and unlock these uh, 362 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,159 Speaker 1: these memories that are hidden from me, right, okay, right, 363 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: and I'm already you know that memory is not something 364 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: that's locked down or that's completely true. Right again, it's 365 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,880 Speaker 1: just you know, all this stimuli turn turning it into 366 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 1: little stories. So as as it turns out, it is 367 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 1: possible to create false memories. Now this this can't this 368 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 1: is not something that can account for all the abduction 369 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 1: stories out there. So it's you know, this is just 370 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: one one more item in the how it works. Is 371 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: this because you might, as a creative think already have 372 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 1: a script in your mind or is it also because 373 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 1: you're being led by the for the therapists. I think both. 374 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: I think that's that's one thing we mentioned, like if 375 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: you're going to a therapist, you know, to to unlock 376 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: these these secrets uh off your past. For one hand, 377 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: you could go to a therapist that is going to 378 00:20:56,280 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: be more inclined to help you create that that version 379 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,360 Speaker 1: of events. So it's sort of like the person who 380 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 1: who claims to have esp and starts to sort of 381 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:10,199 Speaker 1: hint around and say so your cousin starts with a 382 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: j that, so they're sort of leading leading the witnesses. 383 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,919 Speaker 1: And under hypnosis you can you can implant ideas, and 384 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: you can you can sort of steer the creation of 385 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,360 Speaker 1: so called false memories. So that's sort of that meant, 386 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: that's another layer there that that helps us to explain 387 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: why people are having these memories of these thoughts. Right, 388 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 1: He's like, the key is that false memories can be 389 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: created through through hypnosis or even through just I mean, 390 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,439 Speaker 1: if you've ever dealt with anybody who like is, you know, 391 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 1: has a lot of denial going on, you can see 392 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: that we can create visions of versions of reality, you know, 393 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 1: well whatever will actually fit our needs. And they've actually 394 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: done this in studies before they've recreated they've implanted false 395 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: memories under hypnosis, and they've actually had I remember I 396 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: can't remember what the premise was, but um, what they 397 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: did is they worked with the discipant and then they 398 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: had the family later on corroborate the events and so 399 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 1: the person so when they brought that up they said 400 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: do you remember that time that dada happened? The person 401 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: would say why yes I do, and would have like 402 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,439 Speaker 1: this full story of what had happened. And it was 403 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: hard for the people who are conducting the studies. After 404 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 1: they debriefed them, after the study was done, they actually 405 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: said this didn't happen, and they said, no, no, it 406 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 1: actually did happen. They had to convince them like, no, 407 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: we we implanted this. It's like the old adage if 408 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: you tell a lie what three times five times, then 409 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 1: you come to believe that lie. And and also for 410 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,360 Speaker 1: you know, anytime you hear a story about an actor, 411 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: like a method actor being a little crazy because they 412 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: become they believe their character or you know, or you know, 413 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: I hear stories all the time of like pro wrestlers 414 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 1: who confuse their real self with their um there there 415 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: fake um you know on you know, And that's because 416 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 1: a false memory is conducted is like a little story 417 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,159 Speaker 1: built out of these little pieces. But a real memory 418 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 1: is also a little story built out of these little pieces. 419 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: So the difference between a false memory and a true 420 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:06,640 Speaker 1: memory is not that that huge. Okay, So that makes 421 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,880 Speaker 1: sense if you look at a fantasy and reality, we're 422 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: pretty good at distinguishing between the two. But when you 423 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,640 Speaker 1: start to look in the more gray areas of memory 424 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: and reality and these things that are happening in your 425 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: brain while you're sleep and the fact that you've you 426 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 1: may be more predisposed to creating these sort of stories, 427 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 1: then you can really start to see how these things 428 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 1: came together, especially when you look at the cultural factor 429 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 1: of us telling these stories over and over again to 430 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: explain the unexplainable. So the thing that I want to know, though, 431 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: is why why are abductee is always probed or molested 432 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 1: or raped, or getting something implanted in their nose or 433 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,880 Speaker 1: I mean, what's what's up with that? Well, on one level, 434 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: I think it. You know, I was talking about earlier 435 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: about how the fear of being attacked or eaten in 436 00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:00,439 Speaker 1: your sleep is pretty basic. Um. I also you know, 437 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: also I think the fear of sexual attack is pretty basic. 438 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:09,120 Speaker 1: And the fear of something being taken from or put 439 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 1: into your body. Yeah, I mean, because that's that's basically 440 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 1: we've had to deal with parasites for for ages. That's 441 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: you know, it's part of our evolutionary history. And a 442 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 1: lot of these boiled down to, oh, you know, I 443 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: have this abduction then, and oh I have strange scars 444 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 1: that I can't explain. That's actually one of the the 445 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: questions on the Roper questionnaire was do you have any 446 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: strange scars you can't quite explain? And of course we 447 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: all have a lot of us have scars that are 448 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: that we can't necessarily place. But but the idea is 449 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 1: that some people began to think that something was taken 450 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 1: from them. Um you see, um, like some like women 451 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 1: who have occasionally lost pregnancies, You see, this get incorporated 452 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:52,160 Speaker 1: into an abduction. So the traumatic experience of that is 453 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 1: explained to it, right, so that the child was taken 454 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 1: from them by the by the alien or or countless 455 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: people that that again insist that um, some sort of 456 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: tracking device was placed in their body by by aliens. Yeah, 457 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,199 Speaker 1: and Susan black Mare also points out that when you 458 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: do have sleep paralysis, it's quite possible that at that 459 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 1: moment you could be experienced some sort of sexual arousal, 460 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 1: which usually happens during the dream stay, which is when 461 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: sleep paralysis happens. So it's not too far fetched to 462 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: think that you might be having some sort of um 463 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 1: sex thing dream and then you say, oh, okay, that 464 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: aliens are now part of this and yeah, because yeah, 465 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: because a number of us have I'm sure had these 466 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 1: types of dreams and they tend to there's a sexual 467 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: aspect and then just a completely looney dream aspect going on. 468 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 1: So it becomes this like the incubi or the succuba, 469 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,360 Speaker 1: some sort of bizarre and maybe terrifying event that at 470 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: the same time has some sort of sexual charge to it, 471 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, and and it's left to the 472 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 1: brain to a simple story out of that. Yeah. The 473 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 1: best example I've seen about this came out in the 474 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,919 Speaker 1: news not too long ago, and uh, there's a farmer 475 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: in China and he claimed to have been visited by 476 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: a female humanoid, which he thought was an alien, who 477 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,120 Speaker 1: was three meters tall, had twelve fingers in braided leg hair, 478 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 1: and all she wanted to do with make love to him, 479 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:24,199 Speaker 1: and uh they ended up levitating in in coitus for 480 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 1: about forty minutes, he claims. And I thought, wow, that 481 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: is really specific. I was like, okay, you know, and 482 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: then levitating again to go back to Um. The hallucinations 483 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: is something that you might feel like an out of 484 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: body experience. Um. Uh so sex, aliens, um, levitation. Um, 485 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: it's probably not happening unless you're dating David Blaine. Well. Well, also, 486 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: you know other sleep things that going uh there. We 487 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,160 Speaker 1: also have false awakenings, which if you've ever seen our 488 00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: movie with a dream sequence in it, you know this. 489 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,880 Speaker 1: Uh how this works. The person wakes up, they think 490 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: they're awake, Oh, it's still in the nightmare, and then 491 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,679 Speaker 1: you wake up for real. Um. And and so this 492 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,199 Speaker 1: this is something that that is also really important. You know, 493 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: when we talk about the mind and its ability to 494 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: create a reality, a false reality is that just think 495 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: of your dreams, any dream you've ever had that at 496 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: the time seems real. That's your neural equipment up there 497 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,400 Speaker 1: creating a false reality for you. Now that false reality 498 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: may fade away rather quickly when you enter the waking world, 499 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: but it's proof positive that that it can play all 500 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 1: sorts of tricks on you, right, and that you have that. 501 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 1: That's what's so fascinating to me is you've got this 502 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: analog of your reality, and if you look at just 503 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: a little bit closer, it might be a little bit 504 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: off right. The lighting is not quite right, there's something, 505 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: there's something in the dream that you think, Okay, there's 506 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: I'm working through my usual stuff. I'm getting up, I'm 507 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 1: brushing my teeth. But wait, I'm not. I'm not actually awake, 508 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: which is such a disconcerting moment. It really makes you 509 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: doubt yourself in your mind, I think, which is the 510 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: really interesting part about this, about how we could go 511 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: so wrong in our minds and and misremember things, and 512 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,439 Speaker 1: and back to the the the talk of the sexual 513 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 1: aspects of the encounters. You do see an alarming number 514 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: of of probings uh showing up in these accounts. And 515 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,160 Speaker 1: we mentioned the American study, but there have also been 516 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: Canadian studies that show a tremendous amount of of alien 517 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 1: abduction encounters going on. There's a two thousand and one 518 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,160 Speaker 1: University of Ottawa School of Psychology study and they found 519 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,679 Speaker 1: that forty percent of those poll believed in UFOs and 520 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: thirty three believe in abductions. And then this is this 521 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 1: was really interesting. Two I believe that they had been 522 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: abducted before, which is the same percentage that the roper 523 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: report um. And this was all and this was like 524 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: people profiled in uh the area of Ontario. They're all students, 525 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 1: all around twenty eight years of age. So may but 526 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,719 Speaker 1: then again, maybe aliens are just really into probing Canadians 527 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: in in the that are in their you know, late twenties. Ye, 528 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: pro bono proctologists from space. You never know. So what 529 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,479 Speaker 1: what are the problems and what's what's the basic problem 530 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: with with the alien abduction in terms of logistics, Well, 531 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: there there's some some pretty obvious ones, being that, you know, 532 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 1: why isn't our aliens wasting so much time probing Americans 533 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: and or Canadians now China and now China and then 534 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: and why switched to China. Are they like, all right, 535 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: the rectal probing is complete for the North American continent. 536 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 1: Let's move on to China. Let's see what's going on 537 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: over here. So so there's just some common sense things 538 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 1: about that. Also, travel through space is is a huge one. 539 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: This is more of a like an alien visitation on 540 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 1: Earth kind of argument in general. If that's that the 541 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: universe is just vast huge distances and uh, and based 542 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: on what we know about about relativity, traveling these huge distances, 543 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: uh either requires uh, you know it would we just 544 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: require a lot of time and just an enormous uh 545 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: level of patients and uh. And then these you know, 546 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: the different like UFO and encounters that have taken place. 547 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 1: People have seen these things and recorded them moving in 548 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 1: ways that that no like living thing that we understood 549 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: stand could possibly survive the g forces in Okay, So 550 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 1: Terence McKenna, who um was a self described psychoanot um 551 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 1: and someone who was he was a shame and he 552 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: was all sorts of things. And in fact, I'm not 553 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: doing him um much justice and describing him that way, 554 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: but just for sake of brevity, know that this is 555 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: someone who was really interested in space and in particular 556 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: in aliens and other dimensions. And he would probably take 557 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 1: issue with that because he seemed to think that d 558 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: m T, which is a drug, was a bit of 559 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: a warm hole to get around all of that. In 560 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: other words, that would connect you directly to some sort 561 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 1: of hyper space to mension where you could talk to aliens. 562 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: And he was pretty adamant about this. Yeah. I guess 563 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 1: the big thing here though, is that you can't prove 564 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: any of that with science, and when it comes to 565 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 1: UFOs and alien abductions, Uh, we're still waiting on the 566 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: evidence to show up for someone to you know, put 567 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 1: it on the table. Here's the UFO, here's the Yeah, Hey, 568 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 1: I had a probe and planned to me by an alien. 569 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: Here's the scar. Can you get that out? And it's like, oh, 570 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 1: I try it. There it is, let's take it out 571 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 1: and scan. It hasn't happened, right, right, And so that 572 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: also comes down tonal hypothesis. Right. So even though Terence 573 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,959 Speaker 1: mckennam might have had this experience and feels like if 574 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: if we all took d m T we could be 575 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 1: talking to aliens right now, the burden of proof is 576 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 1: on the individual, right, Yeah, you can't walk into you know, 577 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 1: walk up to a scientist and be like, all right, 578 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 1: aliens are visiting the planet. Proved me wrong, man, You 579 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: can't do that because it's not on them, it's on 580 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 1: it's the burden of proof is on the person making 581 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: the the the claim that there are aliens visiting, that 582 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: they're aliens probing us and abducting us. Yeah, and it 583 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: should probably be said to the for people who have 584 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 1: said that they've been implanted with something, there have been 585 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 1: many people who have said, well, let's get a third 586 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: party in here, and let's get some m R I 587 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 1: imaging and look at that implant. And nobody so far 588 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: has succumbed to that. Um, so it's we don't. We 589 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 1: still don't have any sort of souvenir from the aliens, 590 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: so to speak. So I think what all this UH 591 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: is pointing to is the fact that it's just it's 592 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: in mention in our cultural fabric. We can't help it. Yeah, 593 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: we're encountering strange things we can't understand, and we have 594 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 1: to build a story out of those events using the 595 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 1: resources at hand and UH and using the most believable 596 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: that we live in an age that's heavily influenced by science, 597 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: and so the explanations, no matter how fantastic, are going 598 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: to be based in science. Well, and so I'm thinking 599 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 1: that if you're still not convinced, um, and you love 600 00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 1: coffee table books, that you should know the new coffee 601 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 1: table book came out. It's called The Art of Close Encounters, 602 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: and it's one hundred and fifty illustrations made by alleged 603 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 1: abductives describing their experience. And if you've ever seen one of, 604 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 1: like one of these illustrations, like in a news broadcast 605 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 1: for an episode of Unsolved Mysteries, they're amazing. I mean, 606 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm being a little judgmental. If I had 607 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 1: to draw my own alien abduction experience, it would look 608 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 1: equally stupid because I am not an artist. So it's 609 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 1: an entire book of this sort of thing, and I 610 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 1: can't wait to see it. I bet you'd have a 611 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 1: really good drawing. But well, now you know what to 612 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: get me for the holidays. Excellent. So if you want 613 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 1: to learn more about these topics, we have a number 614 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 1: of resources on the website. We have an excellent article 615 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: by Stephanie Watson Um titled how UFOs work and This 616 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 1: is an excellent overview of just the UFO phenomenon and 617 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: some and some info about alien abduction. And then I 618 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 1: recently wrote kind of a follow up to that called 619 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: what are UFOs Really and that deals with some of 620 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 1: the issues that we discussed here. So together between those 621 00:33:58,320 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: two articles, I feel like I have a nice complete 622 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 1: pack it. Also, be sure to check out if you're 623 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 1: not already, check out Stuff they Don't Want You To 624 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 1: Know with Matt and Ben. That is a great video 625 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: podcast from How Stuff Works that deals exclusively with unexplained 626 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:17,399 Speaker 1: phenomena and strange encounters alien territory. Yeah, and and as 627 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: for you guys, if you have any kind of strange 628 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 1: encounters in your past, alien encounters, if you've seen UFOs, 629 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 1: if you've been abducted, then by all means please email us. 630 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,919 Speaker 1: We're open minded, We're not gonna make fun of you. Um. 631 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: I think this podcast has has relayed the point that 632 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 1: that all of these experiences are are valid. That they 633 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,880 Speaker 1: may not actually be happening, but the experiences are a 634 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: real thought. So I'm delighted to hear more about people's 635 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,879 Speaker 1: uh experiences with with alien abduction or UFOs and hey, 636 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:49,880 Speaker 1: prove me wrong. I would I would love to be 637 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,799 Speaker 1: proved wrong in this. I really would like to believe. 638 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,319 Speaker 1: And then as long as they're not trying to abduct me, yeah, 639 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 1: and you can. You can email us that Blow the 640 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 1: Mind at how stuff works dot com, and you can 641 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 1: also follow us on Twitter and Facebook, where you can 642 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,400 Speaker 1: also find us as blow the Mind. Thanks for listening. 643 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 1: You can find these articles and many more every day 644 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:15,360 Speaker 1: at how stuff works dot com. 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