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Speaker 1: What's one of the biggest differences that you're seeing year

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Speaker 1: at this landscape and thinking that it's the same, but

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Speaker 1: what are you seeing overall and if there is a

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Speaker 1: change year over year.

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Speaker 3: Well, one thing is you know, this year we have

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Speaker 3: a different rookie class than last year, and there's some

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Speaker 3: strengths and weaknesses, mostly weaknesses compared to last year's rookie class,

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Speaker 3: and I think that.

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Speaker 2: Changes things up.

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Speaker 3: In some pretty big ways for this year's landscape and

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Speaker 3: Best Ball rookies, you know, have been a pretty big part.

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Speaker 3: Especially rookie receivers have been like a pretty big edge

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Speaker 3: I think you're seeing a couple of things. One the

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Speaker 3: rookie running backs, there's a couple first rounders that go

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Speaker 3: I like Jeremi, I love more at ADP. But then

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Speaker 3: you get past those guys and it really dries up

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Speaker 3: and we're talking, you know, a lot, a lot of

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Speaker 3: Day three type of guys that in June are hard

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Speaker 2: Definitely shakes things up a bit.

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Speaker 3: And then at wide receiver, I think some of the

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Speaker 3: stink of the rookie class from a dynasty perspective has

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Speaker 2: Ago with this rookie class.

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Speaker 1: Because I'll kind of skip ahead to another question that

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Speaker 1: And again, we have to give this context that we're

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent of the rookie class is factoring in there.

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Speaker 3: I mean, last year, at the end of the summer,

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Speaker 3: But I mean, it's hard for me to even see like.

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Speaker 3: You know, he's not available in those rounds now, so

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Speaker 3: there's just not as many guys. Now we were taking

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Speaker 2: Too, But it was the rookie class.

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Speaker 3: The depth of the running back class did make it

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Speaker 2: It's like, come on, man, you've got.

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Speaker 3: You get down and you're like, what receivers? Can I

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, I'm taking more tight ends in

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Speaker 3: Like there's there's like some like it used to be

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Speaker 3: And so that has changed. Like we're we're talking like

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Speaker 2: He'll run routes. It's going to be part time, they'll

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Speaker 2: You can get a Chris Brasel, you can get the Jacoby.

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Speaker 3: You know, there's a bunch of those rookie wide receivers

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Speaker 1: This is this is kind of I feel like, made

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Speaker 1: me not go as hard at elite tight end right now.

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Speaker 1: Is the fact that because the the latter parts of

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Speaker 1: Bauers to be fair, but like, because the latter parts

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Speaker 1: set up where I feel relatively decent about like Terrence

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Speaker 1: Ferguson having a role this year, like like doing doing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like Donald Washington, sure sure like the like there.

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Speaker 1: And it's because of, like you said, the way the

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Speaker 1: you're able to at least capture that position in that way.

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Speaker 1: But then you're staring at like Brock Bowers, who could

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Speaker 1: clearly go nuclear this year. Ye you know, you're staring

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Speaker 1: Even Colson Lovelin you can make a very easy pro

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Speaker 1: argument for. So what's been your approach at tight end?

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Speaker 1: Has it been like like, Okay, I'm in round two,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna just draft Bowers and then obviously adjust, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna just get tight end. So maybe I'm

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Speaker 2: Build, sure where you've got at least a couple early

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Speaker 1: What's one of the biggest differences that you see year

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Speaker 5: No, it's major differences, and I think that's a fun

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty one, twenty twenty, we have not seen running

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Speaker 5: the stinkers of the quarterbacks like Geno Rogers Mendoza, I'm

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Speaker 5: Like it's it's way different there, and then of course

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Speaker 5: at running back, we got about five running backs maybe

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Speaker 5: Maybe Chuba like some of these guys I'm softer on,

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Speaker 1: They're being drafted earlier. Is that making you want to

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I saw that question on the sheet, and I

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Speaker 5: you did that. You know, like the Sensus thought process

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Speaker 5: Like these were the cheap bets you could get. Okay,

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Speaker 5: these these are the guys you could get the undrafts

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Speaker 5: And then yeah, of course, like I think it's very

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Speaker 5: Is that pretty realistic?

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Speaker 5: Stroud, and I don't need to fool around in this

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Speaker 5: It's worse for advance rate, but it's like I don't

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Speaker 5: I really want a third on that because it's all

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I guess it does boil down to

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Speaker 5: another shot at getting or shot Penny that year, a

437
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,800
Speaker 5: mon Ross, Saint Brown his rookie year. These are the

438
00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,560
Speaker 5: things to me that decide who wins the contest and

439
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 5: who doesn't. And we do see quarterbacks separate at times,

440
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 5: of course, and so yeah, technically you have another shot

441
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 5: of that if you tack on Tua. But again, like

442
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,399
Speaker 5: I'm not panicked with it, Like, as long as I

443
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 5: have two guys, I feel reasonable. And it comes back

444
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 5: to me from like your home league. Like, pretend you

445
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,000
Speaker 5: have a home league, you have a good team, and

446
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,439
Speaker 5: your only quarterback is Jordan Love. You're not feeling like

447
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 5: your team is like dead each week, right, Like, yeah, okay,

448
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,919
Speaker 5: you're not feeling great, but you got Jordan Love, you

449
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:35,639
Speaker 5: got a second guy. Reasonable, right, But yeah, I do

450
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 5: want to have more shots at landing the difference maker,

451
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 5: which to me comes at running back.

452
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Speaker 4: At white ol.

453
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Speaker 1: Neil Orfield. The thing that I always struggle with is

454
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:49,919
Speaker 1: then getting proper exposure based on what I think is

455
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 1: the optimal strategy to take in some of these drafts.

456
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,479
Speaker 1: Like for instance, like if you think going running back

457
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,239
Speaker 1: running back is like the way to go, especially if

458
00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:58,760
Speaker 1: you're in the back half of the first round or

459
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 1: something like that, which we'll get to it in a stead.

460
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 1: If you think going running back running back like that

461
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 1: is optimal, then sure you'll get some different iterations for

462
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 1: the running backs that you're taking, but maybe you never

463
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 1: get CD Lamb even though you probably want some exposure

464
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 1: to CD lamb. Is that something that you're constantly thinking

465
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 1: about in general? Is it something that you're thinking about

466
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 1: right now in June or is it something that you

467
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 1: worry about a little bit later in the season if

468
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,439
Speaker 1: you're doing something like the MILLI where you know that

469
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,119
Speaker 1: you can kind of even out exposure as the summer

470
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Speaker 1: goes on.

471
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's it's definitely something that I'm thinking about constantly,

472
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 6: but it's not something that I'm acting on as much.

473
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Speaker 2: Right now as it will be later on.

474
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Speaker 6: Like you said, like because you and I we're gonna

475
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Speaker 6: be drafting all summer, like we have time to even

476
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 6: at our exposures if we want to. But generally, I

477
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 6: think it's just draft to draft, just making the best

478
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 6: pick for that draft. I think it's generally the correct

479
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 6: approach because ADP is gonna shift throughout the year, and

480
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,639
Speaker 6: you're gonna have different opportunities throughout the year because you know,

481
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 6: ADP shifts like we saw with you know, we've seen

482
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Speaker 6: aj Brown shift from a third round pick to a

483
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 6: second round pick, and so you know it's better to

484
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 6: get him in the third round, and you see that

485
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,199
Speaker 6: throughout the summer, all these different players are going to

486
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 6: shift in their ADP now for you know, the opposite

487
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,119
Speaker 6: example would be like I'm not really taking Melik Neighbors

488
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:15,879
Speaker 6: right now, but I'm not worried about it because I

489
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 6: think Melik Neighbors is going to move backwards later in

490
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 6: the summer. We're going to be able to get him later.

491
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 6: So I think, you know, generally, it's something that's always

492
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 6: on my mind, what are my exposures looking at and

493
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,159
Speaker 6: my comfortable with these exposures. But I also know that

494
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,199
Speaker 6: ADP is going to shift over time. And also, just

495
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 6: like draft to draft, you can see even right now,

496
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Speaker 6: if I do ten drafts today, I can keep my

497
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 6: rankings the exact same but I'm gonna have different opportunities

498
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 6: draft to draft, so you know, I might always be

499
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,119
Speaker 6: taking those those running backs in the later rounds. But

500
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 6: there's gonna come a draft where, like you say, Ceedee Lamb,

501
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 6: if you want to get Ceede Lamb, there's going to

502
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,160
Speaker 6: come a draft where Seedy Lamb is just gonna fall

503
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 6: to you at the eleven pick or something, so you

504
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 6: can keep him ranked behind Justin Jeffson and Almana Saint

505
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 6: Brown and Christian mcaff whoever it is that you're taking

506
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 6: over him, and you're gonna have opportunities to draft him

507
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 6: without reaching to to take him ahead of players that

508
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 6: you like better. So I don't worry about it that

509
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,919
Speaker 6: much right now. But yeah, once we get to August,

510
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 6: if I'm like, you know, I don't really see a

511
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 6: big separation between Cede Lamb and Alman Ross Saint Brown,

512
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,239
Speaker 6: then I might start just I'll reach a little bit

513
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 6: and take Ceedee Lamb over Alman Ross Saint Brown. But yeah,

514
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 6: for now, I'm not, I'm not really you know, going

515
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 6: out of my way to even out my exposures that much. Now, Yeah,

516
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 6: I say this, I think that that is the correct

517
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 6: approaches to not do it that much. I do it

518
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 6: so like I can't help it because there are players

519
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 6: that I'm like, you know, I really don't feel that

520
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,640
Speaker 6: differently about. Like I had this conversation with Karan last week,

521
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 6: Tedro macmillan and Luthor Burden, like, yeah, if I use

522
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 6: his product, I'm always gonna get Tedroo McMillan ahead of

523
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 6: Luthor Burden. I'm to me, Like, to me, it's not

524
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 6: that clear that I like t Maac that much better

525
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 6: than Luthor Burden, because I think there's pros and cons

526
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 6: to both. So I might sometimes reach and take you know,

527
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,679
Speaker 6: a Burden over Tero Maple and you know, profiles like

528
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 6: that were It's like, it's not that clear to me

529
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 6: that this is a different tier of player. So I

530
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 6: do I do sometimes reach a little bit, but I

531
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 6: think that the correct approach is the you know, let it,

532
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 6: you know, work itself out over time.

533
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, makes a lot of sense to me. So also

534
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 1: this year, we're definitely seeing more people. I will say

535
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: I think that part of like the running back heavy discussion,

536
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: which is why I love that you answered that first

537
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 1: question with quarterback and not running back, because I think

538
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: it's sort of like the default to talk about the

539
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 1: running back, not to say that it's right or wrong,

540
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: but I do think that it might be a little

541
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 1: bit overblown, like the idea that people are like going

542
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: so crazy for running backs right now and such and

543
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 1: like that, like it's so totally different than what we

544
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 1: saw last year. I would argue that last year we

545
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 1: still saw a decent amount of running backs going early

546
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 1: in these drafts, especially because the year before that running

547
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: back was actually pretty strong, and so we are seeing

548
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 1: some like I think that part of it is the

549
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: narrative of like some zero rb bros who are now

550
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: touting you know, going earlier around running back is making

551
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: the entire industr be like, oh man, like everyone's going

552
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 1: earlier around running back now, which is probably true to

553
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 1: a degree. But there's still some good wide receiver picks

554
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 1: in there, but the meta has certainly shifted. Let's just

555
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: say that, Let's say that people are more okay and

556
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: drafting multiple running backs with their first couple of picks.

557
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,919
Speaker 1: So my question though, and this is one that I

558
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: asked Liam last week as well, is this a year

559
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: then to zig when everyone's zagging and go zero RB

560
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: as people are more comfortable with a robust RB approach.

561
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 6: I think that the correct approach is always to just

562
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 6: take what the draft room gives you. So no, I

563
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 6: don't think that it's necessarily the right year, Like I

564
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 6: don't think that you should be forcing zero RB this

565
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 6: year because we don't have the same type of late

566
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 6: round running backs that we used to have. So part

567
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 6: of the reason that you know, I was really in

568
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 6: on zero RB, I mean even last year when it

569
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 6: didn't really work out for me, was because I thought,

570
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 6: at least last year that there were tons of late

571
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 6: round running backs that had really strong profiles. It was,

572
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 6: you know, a really strong rookie running back draft class

573
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 6: could get these rookie running backs late who should have

574
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 6: a ton of upside, have some continued value. Now for me,

575
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 6: I took all the wrong ones. I was taking Richard Smith,

576
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 6: Darks Hunter, et cetera, et cetera.

577
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 2: But I know you started.

578
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 6: Talking about kalman Ungui late later on in the season

579
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 6: after not really loving him early on. Woody Marks like,

580
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 6: there were these running backs that you could get later on,

581
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 6: so it made more sense to do more zero RB

582
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 6: when they're were stronger running backs later. Now you have

583
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Speaker 6: a lot of the running backs that were that are

584
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 6: like young running backs that we see have a lot

585
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 6: of upside, you can't really get them in the later

586
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 6: rounds anymore.

587
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 2: Like even last year you could get like a Tyler Lgier.

588
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 6: So I love the running backs, particularly in Best Ball,

589
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 6: that have some standalone value, like they don't need anything

590
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 6: to happen, and they're going to have some double digit

591
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 6: scoring weeks, but then also have like awesome contingent upside.

592
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 6: So last year was like Tyler Lgiear, if something happened

593
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 6: to be Jean Robinson was going to be awesome. You

594
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 6: just don't really have a ton of those guys later on.

595
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 6: So if you and you need to score some running

596
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 6: back points early on, so you really can't wait too

597
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 6: long I think to start drafting running backs now. I

598
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 6: still do some zero RB ish builds where I won't

599
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 6: take a running back until like the seventh round, but

600
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 6: it's tougher because we don't have, you know, a ton

601
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 6: of these, and you do have some like you. I mean,

602
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 6: Brian Robinson might be an example this year replacing Tyler

603
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 6: Aldiere in Atlanta, who knows like you can you can

604
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 6: probably find some of those later on in drafts who

605
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 6: are going to have who will have those you know,

606
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 6: ten point weeks here and there throughout the season, even

607
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 6: without an injury. But they're more difficult to find because

608
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 6: people have gotten sharper about how to find the right

609
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 6: running back profile. So like the running backs who have

610
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 6: that you know, standalone value, Blake Quorum is now going

611
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 6: in the top one hundred bick, kaal Manungai going to

612
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 6: the top one hundred bicks. The type of running back

613
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 6: that you used to maybe be able to get at

614
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 6: like pick one forty one fifty, you can't get them

615
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 6: there anymore. So it is to me more difficult to

616
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 6: go zero RB this year than it has been in

617
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 6: years past. But then the you know, the tricky part

618
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 6: there is it does feel like, you know, we we

619
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 6: have a lot of kind of aging running backs, a

620
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,719
Speaker 6: lot of miles on their legs at this point, who

621
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 6: are going in the early rounds. So it does feel

622
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 6: like we're probably going to find some later round running

623
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 6: backs who don't have a ton of standalone value but

624
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 6: probably do have massive continent value behind Saquon Barkley, Derrek Henry,

625
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 6: Jonathan Taylor, whatever, and name any of these running backs

626
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 6: who are veterans who have a ton of miles on them.

627
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 6: But to me, it's like you can you can still

628
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 6: go after some of those backup running backs without going

629
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 6: zero RB, because, like, I just think that the tough

630
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 6: part is you do need to get points early in

631
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 6: the season to advance your team. You need to get

632
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 6: some points from running back early on, and it's tougher

633
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 6: to find those running backs who are going to score

634
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 6: early points later in drafts this year. So I'm doing

635
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 6: I am doing some zero RB, but I'm not taking

636
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 6: it to the extreme that I've done in past years

637
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 6: where it's like I'm not taking a running back till

638
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 6: the tenth or eleventh round. Like, to me, zero RB

639
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 6: now is like sixth or seventh rounds when I started

640
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 6: taking running backs.

641
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, agreed. Are there any middle or late round

642
00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: backs that you've really gravitated towards run DK Yeah.

643
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 6: I mean a lot of the ones that I mentioned,

644
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 6: I've taken a fair amount of Blake Korum, Kamon Ung Guy.

645
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 6: The one that I'm really in the middle rounds that

646
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 6: I've gravitated toward is Jonathan Brooks. I just I can't

647
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 6: can't get enough Jonathan Brooks. Just I think I've just

648
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 6: memory wiped the past two years, and just like you know,

649
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 6: he was so exciting a couple of years ago coming

650
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 6: in and I don't know, like I'm not a doctor,

651
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 6: I don't know how to read the medical reports, and

652
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 6: I think like, depending on who you read, you're going

653
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 6: to get a different vantage point on like Jonathan Brooks's

654
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 6: outlook this year, like did he have did he actually

655
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 6: tear his ACL twice or was it a repair the

656
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 6: second time? And he's good to go now. I don't

657
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,959
Speaker 6: know that stuff, but I know that there are some people,

658
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 6: some you know, Twitter doctors who believe Jonathan Brooks should

659
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 6: be good to go at this point, should be healthy.

660
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 2: And then we just get such.

661
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 6: Bullish coach speak on Jonathan Brooks that kind of leads

662
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 6: me to believe that, like, you don't really need an

663
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 6: injury ahead of him to Toobe Hubbard for Jonathan Brooks

664
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 6: to take over as the top running back on team

665
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 6: that really wants to run the ball. So so to me,

666
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 6: Jonathan Brooks is is kind of that mid range running

667
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 6: back that I've really gravitated toward.

668
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 2: Now he is.

669
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 6: He's getting a little bit more difficult as he gets

670
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 6: closer to the Blake Korum and common Unga because to me,

671
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 6: like that's kind of the tier that he belongs in now.

672
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 2: I do think that he.

673
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 6: Has a probably better odds than either of those two

674
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 6: to take on like the one A role without an injury,

675
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 6: but I think that they have probably a stronger hold

676
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 6: on the or you know, we're surer of their floor,

677
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 6: like as the one B for a guy like Kamon

678
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 6: Unguy Blake Orm. So to me, that's kind of the

679
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 6: right range for Jonathan Brooks until we hear something more

680
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 6: bullish and he's moving kind of in that direction, but

681
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 6: he has not quite gotten there yet. So I've been

682
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 6: drafting just a ton of Jonathan.

683
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: Brooks nez takes. What's been the most common build for

684
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: you this year over on draftings?

685
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, right now, it's been, uh and this kind of

686
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 7: hurts me because I am like a contrarian by nature,

687
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 7: but I am doing a lot of hyperfragile the four

688
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 7: to five running back builds right now.

689
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 4: It just makes so much.

690
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 7: Sense in the current meta to do that, and especially

691
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 7: on DraftKings, a PPR website where you can really just

692
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 7: backfill those wide receiver spots with volume and just you know,

693
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 7: get lucky catch one of these guys on a game

694
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 7: where they catch a touchdown. It just makes so much

695
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 7: more sense in taking bets on those late round running

696
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 7: backs that really need contingency value to pay off. For

697
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 7: the most part, I mean, maybe some of these guys

698
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 7: have their own standalone role that we haven't really seen yet.

699
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 7: You know, there's some rookies, there's more Shaan Lloyd back there.

700
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 7: But really really feel more comfortable drafting the wide receivers

701
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 7: late and tight ends late as a post of the

702
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 7: running backs. But I would love for it to be

703
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 7: a zero RB year because everybody's convinced that it's not.

704
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 4: It's just pretty hard to do so right now. But

705
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 4: I'm still trying. I'm still trying.

706
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: That's how I feel too, Like I'm still throwing out

707
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: some zero RB teams because I don't want to miss it.

708
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: If because like realistically, I've been doing a lot of

709
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,239
Speaker 1: research for my draft guide. The last two years at

710
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: running back have been sort of the most predictive years

711
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: that we've seen at the position over the last like

712
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: like fifteen years. Like it's been very very strong. Whether

713
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: that's due to injury, but I also think like the

714
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: NFL meta is playing into that a little bit with

715
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: just it being more run because it also been the most

716
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: run heavy years over that timeframe as well, which kind

717
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: of like allows for yes, like there might not be

718
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: as much target share going to running backs because it's

719
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 1: feeding into tight ends, but they at least are seeing

720
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 1: more work on the ground to kind of combat that,

721
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: whereas wide receiver they're just not and so you get

722
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 1: sort of like a flatness at wide receiver. And so yeah,

723
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: I mean I'm in the same boat where like it

724
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 1: just you feel so uncomfortable this year more than ever

725
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: going zero RB, and I think maybe the market's a

726
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: little bit sharper too. Have you have you noticed that?

727
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: Do you think that the running back market is slightly

728
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: sharper with like the player takes that we're seeing out there,

729
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: and just like you know, like a backfield where you

730
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 1: have like a Remandre and Travion, like two guys that

731
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: are middle round picks. It feels like a Remandre historically

732
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 1: might have been ahead of where Trayveon's going, but it's

733
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: just not happening this year.

734
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 7: Yeah, I know, I think you absolutely have to admit

735
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 7: that the that the field is getting sharper, you know,

736
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 7: as best ball goes on. You are clearly seeing adaptations

737
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 7: to the draft boards right now, and that the running

738
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 7: backs are a prime example of it. I think guys

739
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 7: are very appropriately priced in terms of roles that they

740
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 7: have or have had in recent memory, plus factoring in

741
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 7: how many high value touches a guy has in an

742
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 7: offense and baking in that uncertainty of the situation, like

743
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 7: very appropriately in my opinion, like that late second round

744
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 7: just loaded with running backs that all have like different

745
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,439
Speaker 7: forms of upside in terms of touchdown equity versus their role,

746
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 7: especially as a pass catcher. On on draftings as well,

747
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,919
Speaker 7: I think the field's gotten pretty sharp at identifying who

748
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 7: the strong running backs are and how to how to

749
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 7: value them appropriately, like across across the board.

750
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 1: And it feels like like do you have a I mean,

751
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: I'm sure you have like some like favorites in like

752
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: the you know, round nine into eleven to twelve, whatever

753
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: the case may be. You know, like we'll just dub

754
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,439
Speaker 1: them like later ish type picks. But at the same time,

755
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: does it not feel like once those like year two

756
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: guys are off the board, especially in like round five,

757
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: you know, like the Tutons, the Travions, if you want

758
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 1: to throw them in there, though I've I've personally been

759
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: drafting more Remondra than Travion, But like those types of players,

760
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: it feels like there's just a big like drop in

761
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: projected product production after those guys. Do you feel that too?

762
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 4: One hundred percent?

763
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 7: Like you are you are buying points for, like you're

764
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 7: able to buy points at those pitches, you know, not

765
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 7: like I came up with that term myself, but that's

766
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 7: how that's how I think of it. Right when I'm

767
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 7: drafting running backs in that range, I know I'm going

768
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 7: to get some points from those running backs once you

769
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 7: get past and like Alvin Kamaras like shooting up draft

770
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 7: boards right now, which like I would agree with. It

771
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 7: does sound like he's gonna have a good role in

772
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 7: that offense, which would be great for PPR as soon.

773
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 4: As you get past him, like in round like fourteen on.

774
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 7: At that point, you're just like buying hope and the

775
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 7: hope that like these guys have something that happens to

776
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,240
Speaker 7: their to their running mate that allows them to ascend

777
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 7: to RB one status. And there are some decent bets there,

778
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 7: some that are certainly better than others that can I

779
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 7: think have that, I have the confidence in them assuming

780
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 7: that strong RB one role if that situation takes place.

781
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 7: But at that point though, like, yeah, these guys are

782
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 7: not guaranteed to score points, and for me that that

783
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 7: that means something, right, I think there's definitely something to

784
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 7: that where you know, the probabilities are not in your

785
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 7: favor for those guys to hit, but we are well

786
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 7: aware of the upside if that does take place.

787
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent. If we're looking at the

788
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: early rounds, do you have any guys that you've been

789
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: generally fading this year or are you sort of like

790
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: spreading out exposure Like I guess you could also talk

791
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: about how you've approached that historically, because I think a

792
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 1: lot of people are always curious about, like, you know,

793
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: do you want that four percent blanket for everybody you

794
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: know in the first couple of rounds because it's it's

795
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: a more comfortable way to sort of approach things.

796
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

797
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 7: No, I've always taken a pretty strong stance in the

798
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 7: first two rounds of drafts. Last year year just to

799
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 7: kind of toot my own horn, pat in my back here,

800
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 7: I faded Brian Thomas Junior pretty heavily. I faded Bucky

801
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,240
Speaker 7: Irving pretty heavily in favor of guys like Derrick Henry

802
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 7: and Jonathan Taylor. Just thinking like, wow, these guys have

803
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 7: like really really strong profiles is running backs, and I

804
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 7: can I can build out teams that I think give

805
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 7: me better expected value than if I you know, it

806
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,240
Speaker 7: took some of these other some of these other risks.

807
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 7: This year, I'm I'm doing the same thing. I'm taking

808
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 7: some some some fades here. The two fhades that that

809
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 7: are the strongest for me, and I think this might

810
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 7: come off as spicy is Jonathan Taylor and uh In

811
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 7: Saquon Barkley this year. These guys, to me, I think

812
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 7: have some some concerns, different concerns for each Quon. For me,

813
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 7: the concern is, is that explosiveness still there that we

814
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 7: saw two years ago that really just did not show

815
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 7: itself last year. Can we fully put that on the

816
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 7: on the old o C. I'm not entirely convinced, on

817
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 7: top of the fact that he's gonna lose a lot

818
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 7: of these goal line touchdowns, that that is so massive

819
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 7: that like him compared to Derrick Henry, Derek Henry is

820
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 7: getting that SAT Clan's not man, and that that to

821
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,959
Speaker 7: me really really hurts the ceiling there. And the JT

822
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 7: Bear case for me is just are we one certain

823
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 7: that Daniel Jones can not only come back at full

824
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 7: health but do what he did last year. I've been

825
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 7: a Daniel Jones defender. I thought that he had some

826
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 7: some pretty good seasons in New York, but the truth

827
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 7: of the matter is that he's pretty inconsistent and if

828
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,479
Speaker 7: he can't, if you can't do what he did last year,

829
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,760
Speaker 7: it's a cascading effect on that offense. And it starts

830
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 7: with Jonathan Taylor's ability to be who he was last year,

831
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,879
Speaker 7: even though he has obviously such amazing skill and can

832
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 7: break long runs even no matter who's at quarterback. But

833
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 7: Daniel it's hard to deny that Daniel Jones was a

834
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 7: big reason why he was so successful last year.

835
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I agree. I mean you can even

836
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: look at the splits right after after Jones went down,

837
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 1: and it was right, that's I mean, everyone who had

838
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor, they were like, oh, I got the league winner,

839
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 1: and then it just it just went to the crapper

840
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,879
Speaker 1: because the offense just just was horrible, right, And that's

841
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 1: I definitely more So for me with the tailor take

842
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: that the Saquon take, I've still been taking Saquon not

843
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: I'm not overexposed, but like still drafting him. But the

844
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,240
Speaker 1: the the difference too is that like there's a difference

845
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,240
Speaker 1: in costs, Like even though like four or five picks

846
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:19,359
Speaker 1: is significant because with Jonathan Taylor, I think Amena only

847
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,280
Speaker 1: just started to officially go ahead of him in ADP

848
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: and to me, like Saint Brown, I'm taking him over

849
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: over Jonathan Taylor all day, just based on what his

850
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: floor ceiling combo looks like. And I mean he just

851
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: also just projects really well Amana Saint Brown does. But

852
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,720
Speaker 1: the JT stuff, it's hard for me to really see

853
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: a significant gap in projection from him to the bottom

854
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: of that round two tier. With with some of those

855
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: like Dereck Henry, Let's say, right like there is there

856
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: truly truly, Yeah, j T will probably catch a few

857
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 1: more passes and and and be you know, more of

858
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 1: a plus in the in the passing game. And yes,

859
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,240
Speaker 1: you know there's there's less competition for him on that team,

860
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: but like realistically we know Derek Henry is in the

861
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: better andronment like locked in better environment. You know, like

862
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: you said, you had to, you have to you have

863
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: to play into this Daniel Jones thing a little bit

864
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: to really buy into Jonathan Taylor. And so to me,

865
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,919
Speaker 1: it's like that tier almost starts to begin with Jonathan Taylor,

866
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: and you just don't want to be wrapping at the

867
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: top of that tier in the end.

868
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 4: One hundred percent.

869
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 7: That's really where I'm at, is like he is sneaky

870
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,879
Speaker 7: in that tier, and because there's a gap between him

871
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 7: and the next RB and that range, it feels like

872
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 7: he's not and it feels like you're supposed to take

873
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 7: Jonathan Taylor, but in reality, the projections are not that different,

874
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 7: and I think that's where stands can really come into play.

875
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 7: It's risky, but at the end of the day, like

876
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 7: if you're if you're playing DFS and you have a

877
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 7: guy that is more expensive but projects the same as

878
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 7: a guy that is cheaper in cost, you're probably gonna

879
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 7: take the guy that's cheaper in cost exactly. So you

880
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 7: can really make some outside bets, outsized bets in bestball,

881
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 7: using those those principles, and that that's what I like

882
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,720
Speaker 7: to do. I like to take some risks and flush

883
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 7: things through like that.

884
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 1: Best Ball guy, what do you think for people who

885
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: are maybe getting into, you know, dipping their toes into

886
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: Best Ball a little bit, what do you think folks

887
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: get wrong when thinking about season long and then going

888
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: into best Ball and what are some of the pitfalls there.

889
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 8: Yeah, so I was imagining someone coming over from you know,

890
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 8: a redraft landscape into best Ball for the first time.

891
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 8: And one of the things that I think that people

892
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 8: need to realize about best Ball is you're you're playing

893
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 8: a massive tournament here. That is really the big difference

894
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,240
Speaker 8: here is you have these tens of thousands to hundred

895
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 8: of thousand person contests and essentially you cannot add and

896
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 8: drop players, right, That's the major difference with Best Ball.

897
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 8: So you need to plan your teams to have not

898
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 8: only the fire power for the late season, which can

899
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 8: come sometimes from those you know, handcuff running backs, rookie

900
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 8: wide receivers, stuff like that, but you also need to

901
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 8: be careful about the fact that you can't add and

902
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,399
Speaker 8: drop players. You need to also try to not take

903
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 8: zeros on your roster. So it's really this game of

904
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 8: building teams that don't have zeros but also yet have

905
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,399
Speaker 8: upside baked into some of these profiles that can break

906
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 8: out late and give you that like late season hammer.

907
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 8: You really want to look down at a team in

908
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 8: Best Ball that advances through the regular season into week

909
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 8: fifteen that has like, you know, these really fun rookies

910
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 8: that are recently breaking out, or you do have the

911
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 8: you know, the Bucky Irving of twenty twenty four who

912
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 8: has taken over the backfield that you got in the

913
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,760
Speaker 8: fifteenth round and is starting now on your roster.

914
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 4: That kind of thing.

915
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I was thinking about this. I was

916
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 1: actually doing a live stream last week, and we always

917
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: hear the phrase better in Best Ball, right, where like

918
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: these players are better in a Best Ball environment than

919
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: they are in a season long environment. And I think

920
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: that when to your point, I think that the way

921
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: that people think about that is almost backwards because they

922
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: often think, oh, I need like of course you needs

923
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: spiked spiked ceilings and weekly ceilings and such. But I

924
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,399
Speaker 1: also think that like they're not thinking about it like

925
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 1: like for instance, Chris Rodriguez, right, or Jordan Mason types,

926
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,919
Speaker 1: like those those types of like early down grinders where

927
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 1: they're they're ceiling from a receiving perspective. Isn't that that crazy,

928
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: I don't really mind, like a Jordan Mason is whatever.

929
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 1: I mean, it's late enough that I'm not going to

930
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: really like care if someone like has like a really

931
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: hardcore stance in these guys. But realistically, like a Jordan

932
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 1: Mason type, I'm probably gonna like more in a best

933
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: ball environment than I am in a season long environment

934
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: because because there's going to just be some production from

935
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 1: those players, but we might not know when that production

936
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: is going to come. And so I think that there's

937
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: also like to your point of not taking zeros like

938
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: those players that we typically are like, oh, I don't

939
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: really care about that guy, because like even in my

940
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 1: draft guide every year, I'm just like, get the guys

941
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 1: that have ceiling. Only worry about ceiling, and that's what

942
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: you should be doing. But you actually do have to

943
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: think about the floor for these players and not just

944
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: draft you know, Nick Singleton over and over again, because

945
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: there's a chance that Singleton's zero this year, Like that's

946
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: a very the sact possibility. Not to say that he

947
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: can't be something, I still have drafted him, But you

948
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: have to check yourself a little bit and make sure

949
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: that you're not overweight on some of those players. That's

950
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 1: the way that you kind of see things too.

951
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, And I'm fine if you want to

952
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 8: be overweight on Nick Singleton, like call your shot on

953
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 8: these late round guys, of course. But absolutely, I think

954
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 8: every single year the staple of having good advance rates

955
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 8: are the middle round running back hits, like they could

956
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 8: be Jordan Mason, Chris Rodriguez this year, I mean we

957
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 8: saw it with like Etn.

958
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 4: I don't know if we want to say.

959
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 8: Eight Chan Junior, but yeah, you know Etn Javonte Williams.

960
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 8: Last year, these guys were the same exact bets, right,

961
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 8: kind of grinder backs on kind of ambiguous backfields. Away,

962
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 8: I guess those Yeah, they are ambiguous. Yeah, I would

963
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 8: say Twoton's an ambiguous you know player right now. So yeah,

964
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,760
Speaker 8: it's like these guys can be massive advance rate pieces.

965
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 4: So absolutely, But.

966
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 8: Then the same in the same you can still mix

967
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 8: in a really fun upside pick like a Nick Singleton

968
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 8: at the end of your drafts.

969
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I always try to like balance the all right,

970
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,760
Speaker 1: how risky was I in some of these profiles earlier

971
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: on in terms of getting guys that might be zeros

972
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,240
Speaker 1: and then you know, late like there was a draft.

973
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 1: I drafted Zach Sharboney, which I haven't gotten a lot

974
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 1: of sharbone, but it was a you know, he fell whatever.

975
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 1: And then I was contemplating. I was in chat and

976
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 1: actually EMO was watching, so shout out toxic Tower, but

977
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 1: Emos was watching the stream and it was the twentieth

978
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: round and I'm sitting there and I'm like, should I

979
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: go running back or wide receiver? And Emo is like,

980
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 1: you should go running and he made a great point.

981
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: He's like, you like cause I let the chat kind

982
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: of vote which direction I go in, and he's like,

983
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: you gotta get running back because we can't assume that Sharboney,

984
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: you know, is healthy. You know, he could be a

985
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: zero realistically. And so I ended up going running back

986
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: in that case, just to get a little bit more beef,

987
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 1: you know, at the position after potentially taking some of

988
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: those zeros. All right, with that being With all that

989
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: being said, what's one of the more overlooked thoughts or

990
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: strategies you think that more people should be aware of

991
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: with best ball?

992
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 8: Yeah, so this one, I wanted to relate it to

993
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 8: my DK Milliemaker Finals team last year. And I'm just

994
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 8: gonna say it's unique pairings. I think last year in

995
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 8: this sometimes the unique pairings come in two ways. Sometimes

996
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 8: it's a forced unique pairing where I go gent at

997
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 8: the turn, but I pull up Nico Collins or something

998
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 8: like something where the ADPs don't line up whatsoever, or

999
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 8: if you're in a spot. And this actually happened to

1000
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 8: me in a draft last night. But last year I

1001
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,439
Speaker 8: was able to go aman raw and then Puka fell

1002
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 8: back to me. I don't remember if this was during

1003
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 8: the Matt Stafford back problem kind of thing, but the

1004
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 8: Amanra Puka combo last year accelerated that entire team into

1005
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 8: the finals.

1006
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 4: So I think having that.

1007
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 8: Unique pairing can be a big lever to pull once

1008
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 8: you get to the finals. So this is kind of

1009
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 8: a there's two ways to think about this, right, can

1010
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 8: either force the unique pairing, or if you're in the

1011
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 8: middle rounds, like if you get picked six through nine

1012
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,479
Speaker 8: kind of you can almost go off of the top

1013
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 8: of adp. And last night I was doing a Milli

1014
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 8: maker and I got Amanra at nine and or ten,

1015
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 8: and then Lamb fell all the way back to me,

1016
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 8: and in my head, I was like, that is the

1017
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 8: exact almost the exact same feeling is how it felt

1018
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 8: when Puka fell back to me with Amanra on that

1019
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 8: team that got me there. So I would say that

1020
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 8: or one other thing would be winning the flex, and

1021
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 8: I think this month might be more actionable.

1022
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 4: But I think I think people take quarterback.

1023
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 8: And tight end too early, to be honest with you,

1024
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 8: And I think grabbing the strongest possible wide receiver running

1025
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:51,439
Speaker 8: backs oftentimes make the strongest teams winning the flex. Those

1026
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:55,280
Speaker 8: those those two positions up at the top of the board,

1027
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 8: those guys have the best chance of breaking out. Whereas

1028
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 8: you can find later round quarterbacks, later round tight ends

1029
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 8: that can be the big hits for the season.

1030
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: So when you talk about unique combos and specifically with

1031
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 1: the Millie, is that something that you're doing immediately now

1032
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 1: or are you waiting maybe until like August to make

1033
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: sure that ADP's settled a little bit.

1034
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 8: I'm waiting till August. Great question. Yeah, definitely waiting till August.

1035
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:25,439
Speaker 8: We know news can move stuff around. I would say

1036
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 8: maybe you know, if you're running, if you're doing all

1037
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 8: one hundred and fifty, you know you get that itch

1038
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 8: during the summer, you know it mix it up a

1039
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 8: little bit because you don't think Nico Collins is going

1040
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 8: to move anywhere or whatever. But as we know, guys

1041
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 8: get in legal trouble, they get injured. You know, there's

1042
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 8: not really too many reasons why guys rise all that much,

1043
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 8: but they can definitely fall.

1044
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 4: So I do like to wait till August.

1045
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 8: I think doing the majority of my expensive drafts, I

1046
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 8: like to do them in August in general.

1047
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, do you find another thing that I and

1048
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: this is completely like it's kind of related. But if

1049
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 1: you get that like Amanras CD lambs start okay and

1050
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: you're like, you're like, oh, this is sick, like this

1051
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: this could go really really well, and like let's say

1052
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: round three falls into place too, do you find yourself

1053
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: and this is a completely subjective, opinionated thing, like I

1054
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 1: don't think there's a real answer. Maybe you feel like

1055
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 1: there is a real answer, but do you feel like

1056
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: when you get a start like that, you then force

1057
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 1: the issue and just get your favorite plays from then

1058
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 1: on out because you really want that lineup to like

1059
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 1: like you're like, all right, I already hit the jackpot

1060
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,359
Speaker 1: early on with these first three rounds. I'm just gonna

1061
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: get the dudes that I think are gonna hit cause

1062
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: obviously we have our favorites, right, I'm just gonna get

1063
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 1: the dudes that I think are gonna hit. Therefore, this

1064
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: could just be the lineup that I'm gonna sort of

1065
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 1: like hold on to and say, this could be the

1066
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: one that brings it home this year.

1067
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 4: Definitely.

1068
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 8: I mean I think more through a like a structure standpoint.

1069
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 8: So I'm like, Okay, I have almanro cd Lamb, I

1070
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 8: have the wide receiver one and two on the season, like,

1071
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 8: think about it like that. So then then I start

1072
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 8: building my draft backwards. In my head, it's like this

1073
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 8: team obviously is gonna need running back points. Let's it's like,

1074
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 8: let's just make sure this team advances because you up,

1075
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:15,919
Speaker 8: because people don't have almanro Lamb in the finals. They

1076
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 8: like that that combo is so rare and unique. Like

1077
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 8: I said, it's such a big lever that I'm pulling that,

1078
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 8: And you know, maybe it is different on DraftKings. Maybe

1079
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 8: that is common. Sorry if it's not, I've only done

1080
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 8: fifteen DK million makers.

1081
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 1: But no, no, look it's not. It's not a very

1082
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 1: super super common thing. I mean, like Lamb will fall

1083
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 1: at times just because people on DK will be pretty wild.

1084
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,359
Speaker 1: Uh you know, it's okay once to turn, but it's

1085
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: not I would not call it a common start.

1086
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, well I would just say, once you get it,

1087
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 8: just make sure you can advance it from there. So

1088
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 8: back to let's make sure we get running back points.

1089
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 8: I think in the third I went with maybe ETN

1090
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 8: or something, just trying to get some starting running back

1091
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 8: points like that. Yeah, like ETN scat a bow in

1092
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 8: the fourth whatever. But yeah, that's all I'm thinking through.

1093
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 8: I'm also thinking like it would be super ideal to

1094
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 8: get Dak or Golf on this team, maybe even both,

1095
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 8: like just fully commit to those two offenses. But that's

1096
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 8: really all I'm thinking is, let's let's get this team

1097
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 8: to the two week fifteen where no one has this

1098
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 8: combo and I'm gonna have it.

1099
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, let's not screw it up. And I think

1100
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: like it's it's also just like let's make sure we

1101
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: don't get screwed at quarterback, right and like just like

1102
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,839
Speaker 1: reach a little bit just to make sure that when

1103
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 1: that quarterback run inevitably happens, that we don't screw ourselves over,

1104
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 1: which is my gosh, just a side rant I had

1105
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 1: Puoka and DeVante last night, and someone took naked Stafford

1106
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 1: way above ADP and it's the most tilting thing on

1107
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 1: the planet.

1108
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 4: It is, It absolutely is.

1109
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 8: And to speak to your point, someone took Dak one

1110
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 8: pick before me with no with no cowboy, just on

1111
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 8: that team in the seventh round.

1112
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, although the great Adam Adam Levitan

1113
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,919
Speaker 1: has noted that. As tilting as those instances are, it's

1114
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 1: great that we're drafting with people that do that because

1115
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 1: that means that that rooms aren't a sharp right, So

1116
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 1: it's yeah, when you think about that, it stings, it sucks,

1117
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: but then you know, you fall back on that idea

1118
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 1: and you're like, all right, I'll take it over the

1119
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:13,439
Speaker 1: long run.

1120
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's my earlier point.

1121
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 8: It's also like it opened up this ability to be like,

1122
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 8: all right, it's still the seventh round, Like, let me

1123
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 8: take another usable running back here. I can get Jalen Warren,

1124
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 8: who might be this year's Kenneth Gainwell on this thin instead,

1125
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 8: So let's go that route.