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Speaker 2: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 1: Edith Steak is that woo woom? And then and Tie,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to these solid verbal boys and girls. My

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Speaker 1: name is Tie Hildebrandt. That fine gentleman over there dressed

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Speaker 1: about respect, Tie Dan Rubinstein, sir, welcome.

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Speaker 2: I've lifted weights three times in the last two weeks, Tye.

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Speaker 2: And you got to give people what they want, you know,

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Speaker 2: That's how it works. Tie, This sex sells, and uh,

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Speaker 2: I'm approaching sexiness.

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Speaker 1: Let's be real. As I sit here in my probably

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Speaker 2: Yeah, welcome girls, selfish, novelty, worn out shirts to the party.

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Speaker 2: And I'm just here trying to respect everybody. Very excited

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Speaker 2: for the show, ty I think this is going to

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Speaker 2: be a show fraught with emotions, fraught with solution oriented

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Speaker 1: So last week, before all the hardball stuff broke, we

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Speaker 1: Well, and if they hit on Aiden Chiles, sure, if

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Speaker 1: We know Jonathan Smith's deal. We saw it at Oregon State.

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Speaker 1: He's very good at raising the floor, very good at

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Speaker 1: But I think I think your right to be encouraged

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Speaker 2: By the way, nine withdrawn transfers guys who entered the

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Speaker 2: meeting with that's a lot Jonathan Smith. Yeah, it's I

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Speaker 2: think it's Chris Bogel on the edge. If I'm pronouncing

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Speaker 2: it's an enormous, enormous challenge, and I'm willing because of

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Speaker 1: You got to give him time, and nobody can be

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Speaker 2: there are a ton of kids who went Michigan exclusively

432
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Speaker 2: to play for Jim Harbaugh. When you have that internal

433
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Speaker 2: candidate who seems to resonate emotionally with the roster that yes,

434
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Speaker 2: they'll lose guys, it seems like they will not be

435
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Speaker 2: as hit, They will not be as dramatically hit as

436
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Speaker 2: Washington and Alabama.

437
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Speaker 1: Yeah, continuity, if we're talking about a move in late January,

438
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Speaker 1: is paramount. You want to try and establish as much

439
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Speaker 1: continuity as you can. And we've seen other programs do it,

440
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Speaker 1: and it generally is a pretty good strategy, at least

441
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Speaker 1: for a period of time to see how it works

442
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:33,200
Speaker 1: out bigger picture.

443
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Speaker 2: That's the caveat there is you got to hire the

444
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Speaker 2: right guy long term, not for this year right now.

445
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,640
Speaker 2: You're going to if it's a year zero situation where

446
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Speaker 2: you're taking a bunch of mac transfers who shouldn't be

447
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 2: wearing the Michigan uniform, so be it. You need guys,

448
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 2: you got to hire the right guy fitz shual Mark. Great,

449
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 2: then you're starting off on a better foot.

450
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we'll find out soon enough. Sharon Moore is

451
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Speaker 1: the coach at Michigan. As we get more information like

452
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Speaker 1: what that staff looks like, what the true transfer situation

453
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Speaker 1: looks like, we're going to come back, We're obviously going

454
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Speaker 1: to talk a lot more about Sharon Moore in the

455
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Speaker 1: Michigan football program, but it's still early days at this point.

456
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Speaker 1: On that note, though Sharon Moore is an internal candidate,

457
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 1: there is that continuity Kaylen Deboor, new guy outside the program. Inevitably,

458
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Speaker 1: it's gonna be different, It's going to feel different. It's

459
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Speaker 1: almost an impossible ask at this point, right, Yes, so

460
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Speaker 1: you're just gonna see a large number of transfers. Yeah.

461
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Speaker 2: If it were Sark, if it were Dan Lanning, if

462
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Speaker 2: it were Kirby Smart, it probably doesn't look as dramatic.

463
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Speaker 2: There's familiarity there, there's relationships there. I don't think the

464
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 2: relationships were there with Kaylen de Borr. But if he

465
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Speaker 2: truly is, If you know Greg Burn, all the decision

466
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Speaker 2: makers at Alabama were like, look, we know it's going

467
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Speaker 2: to be a rough transition. Kayland Boor is absolutely the

468
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Speaker 2: right guy for Obama, then it'll work.

469
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Speaker 1: So that actually is a perfect segue to where I

470
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Speaker 1: wanted to go next, which was second year. Coaches talked

471
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Speaker 1: a lot about first year they're going to get all

472
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Speaker 1: the headlines, but second year guys. Second year guys are

473
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Speaker 1: still very, very interesting in this conversation because notably Dion

474
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Speaker 1: at Colorado, who used the portal for all it was

475
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Speaker 1: worth last year, he is still trucking away in the portal.

476
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Speaker 1: The name that I wanted to bring up first, though,

477
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Speaker 1: is Jeff Brohm, who came over to Louisville from Purdue,

478
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Speaker 1: was active in the portal, got a lot out of

479
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 1: Jack Plumber in year one, has now turned things over.

480
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 1: I think to Tyler Shuck brought him up from Texas Tech.

481
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Speaker 1: For as long as he's able to stay healthy, he

482
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Speaker 1: might be the guy. But brom has remained super aggressive

483
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Speaker 1: in the portal. Twenty six incoming transfers. Not a lot

484
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Speaker 1: here that's going to knock you over. We're not talking

485
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Speaker 1: about Aiden Childs, We're not talking about Walter Nolan, Evan Stewart,

486
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Speaker 1: not talking about the superstar Julian Sayan. But I do

487
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Speaker 1: think whenever you take over for a program wherever it

488
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Speaker 1: is quality depth quality depth is really underrated, really underrated,

489
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Speaker 1: especially in this era of the twelve team playoff, where

490
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Speaker 1: if you make it, you're playing more games than ever before. Right,

491
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Speaker 1: and just in general, this era of the Portal, which,

492
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Speaker 1: let's be honest, it's a freakin' nightmare. There is constantly

493
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Speaker 1: this push pull of finding that balance between bringing in

494
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Speaker 1: new guys that can make you better at the expense

495
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Speaker 1: of losing guys who can make you worse. He has

496
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Speaker 1: found a way to be very, very aggressive and I

497
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Speaker 1: think again raised the floor for the Louisville program. He

498
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Speaker 1: stepped in already played for a conference championship in year one.

499
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Speaker 1: Say what you want about the Louisville schedule, Say what

500
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Speaker 1: you want about the Louisville team as a whole. That's

501
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Speaker 1: a separate conversation. The fact that he navigated the waters

502
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Speaker 1: in the ACC beat Notre Dame, he got to that

503
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Speaker 1: championship game, that was a big deal. Twenty six incoming

504
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Speaker 1: transfers remaining active in the Portal, it was a smaller

505
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Speaker 1: recruiting class, something like fifty seventh nationally. There's obviously some

506
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Speaker 1: work to do there. But as he tries to figure

507
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Speaker 1: out what that balance is. It seems as if he's

508
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Speaker 1: leaning a little bit more heavily on the portal. So

509
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Speaker 1: I commend him for at least being aggressive and trying

510
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Speaker 1: to plug gaps through the portal here going into year two.

511
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it has seemed these past few years of

512
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Speaker 2: the portal era that Louisville has been an aggressor in

513
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Speaker 2: the NIL space, which the two things. This is not

514
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Speaker 2: a ven diagram, it's just a perfect circle.

515
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Speaker 1: Right.

516
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Speaker 2: The stronger you are and the more organized you are,

517
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 2: and the better the messaging is with NIL, the better

518
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 2: you will do and winning helps, but the better you

519
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Speaker 2: will do in the portal.

520
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Speaker 1: Right.

521
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Speaker 2: And so you went all that time, by the way,

522
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Speaker 2: without talking about a defensive lineman from Harvard name.

523
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Speaker 1: Thor to Way. Yes, that's right. Four they got.

524
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Speaker 2: Louisville certainly, I think certainly outperformed expectations last year. Need

525
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:49,719
Speaker 2: to get better on the offensive line. I think they

526
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 2: picked up a couple guys there. Need to get better

527
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 2: in terms of preventing bigger plays. And so they're adding depth,

528
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 2: you know, fresh bodies. They need better tackling. And so

529
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Speaker 2: the hope with Louisville is with the the playmakers on offense,

530
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 2: getting a little bit deeper with the guys that developed

531
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Speaker 2: Rondel Moore, David Bell, guys like that. At Purdue you

532
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 2: hadge Corey Brooks from Alabama, Donald Cheney who played a

533
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 2: bunch at Miami this year at running back that you

534
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,880
Speaker 2: just give yourself options and in a more and more

535
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 2: wide open ACC, Louell's looking pretty good, right if Clemson

536
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 2: remains somewhat human, if Miami keeps shooting itself in the foot,

537
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 2: Florida State seems to be growing and growing in terms

538
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Speaker 2: of what that roster looks like. I think they might

539
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 2: have an offensive ceiling with Dju, a good ceiling, but

540
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 2: perhaps not an excellent one. We'll see losing the guys

541
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Speaker 2: that they do that. It's just not a murderer's role

542
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 2: in the ACC. Why not Loisville?

543
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Speaker 1: Why not? Yeah? And I mean I'm looking at the

544
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 1: schedule right now. This is workable. This is a workable schedule.

545
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Speaker 1: They don't play Florida State regular season. They've got tough

546
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Speaker 1: road games on the road at Notre Dame, on the

547
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 1: road at Clemson, who knows what version of Clemson we get.

548
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: But beyond that, road games at Stanford and at Virginia.

549
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 1: Those feel winnable. Yeah, a rivalry game at Kentucky. Who

550
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: knows what state Kentucky will be in.

551
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 2: Let's be clear, we don't know how good or bad

552
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 2: any of these teams are going to be. If zero

553
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 2: January vibes.

554
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: Say zero concept for any of these teams. But yeah,

555
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: on the surface, this looks very workable for Louisville to

556
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Speaker 1: have a successful following.

557
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 2: I mean last yeah, I mean last years was incredible.

558
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 2: Last year's schedule, all things considered for Louisville was pretty incredible.

559
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 2: So yeah, look, the roster seems like it's in a

560
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 2: good place. I don't look, I've watched Tyler shuck a

561
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 2: bunch at Oregon and Texas Tech. I think if anybody

562
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 2: can solve quarterback issues or get the most out of

563
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 2: their quarterback. Jeff brom Is in that conversation, eight o'connells

564
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 2: in the NFL right now, So what's the what's the deal.

565
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Speaker 1: With Dion though, Let's let's talk deon. Yeah, twenty three

566
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: guys coming in pretty much outsourced a new defense yep,

567
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: and did some work on the high school recruiting trail,

568
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: bringing in some beef for the offensive line. If you

569
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Speaker 1: watch any Colorado football, you know what the deal was.

570
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: They didn't play any defense, their lines were bad. What

571
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: do we make of Dion version two in the off season.

572
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Speaker 2: I mean it's a lot of the same. I mean,

573
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 2: they know their needs right when you have proof of

574
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Speaker 2: what works and what doesn't work. And it seemed like

575
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 2: there was a lot of fun explosion on the offense

576
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 2: at Colorado's best, But that was in spite of a

577
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 2: pretty terrible offensive line, a very difficult position to recruit

578
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 2: out of the portal.

579
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Speaker 1: Just the numbers don't seem to be there in terms.

580
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,239
Speaker 2: Of offensive line success story and a leaky defense that

581
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 2: at times made plays but other times just got shelled.

582
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 2: Right with what you you know saw Oregon do, we

583
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 2: always saw Stanford do, but we saw usc do at

584
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 2: least in that first half. It was an admirable performance

585
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 2: in the second half. And so Dianna's talked about how

586
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 2: in detail about why he thinks the portal is so

587
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 2: much more valuable than recruiting out of high school at

588
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 2: you know that children seem to be discouraged if they're

589
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 2: not starting as freshmen and they'll just go in the

590
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 2: portal whatever, and that there's more to be there's more

591
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Speaker 2: tape to be seen on portal guys. I get all

592
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Speaker 2: of that, but it does seem like if you want

593
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Speaker 2: to be a really good team in college football, and

594
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,239
Speaker 2: from everything Deon Sanders says he wants to build a

595
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 2: really good team in Boulder, Colorado, nobody really builds it

596
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Speaker 2: exclusively through the portal for a couple of reasons. One,

597
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,719
Speaker 2: portal guys can seem to be attractive and the solution

598
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Speaker 2: to all of your problems. And maybe there was a

599
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Speaker 2: reason they were back up at Florida State. Maybe there's

600
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Speaker 2: a reason they were back up in North Carolina or

601
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 2: Oregon or Alabama or wherever. And so I just don't

602
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 2: think Colorado is going to be able to build quality

603
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 2: depth with guys that haven't really worked out at other places,

604
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Speaker 2: because that seems to be who he's going after. And

605
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 2: I kind of get the sense that he's looking at

606
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 2: his roster and saying, okay, can you help me immediately,

607
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 2: especially on offense, especially to help shador Sanders's draft stock.

608
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 2: And maybe that's a cynical way of looking at it, a.

609
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: Little bit of conspiracy theory going on here.

610
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Speaker 2: I just don't I think you go aggressive in the

611
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 2: portal if you want to win immediately. And Diane has

612
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 2: said every single correct thing that he's a big believer

613
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Speaker 2: in Colorado, that he is here for the long term.

614
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 2: That again we said this about Kayleen de boor Kylen

615
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 2: de Borer was not recruiting like he wanted to be

616
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 2: at Washington a long time deon standers, taking six guys

617
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Speaker 2: who he said he was positive those were like the

618
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 2: guys those that was the rock solid corps from the

619
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Speaker 2: high school ranks. I'm more of an actions over words guy.

620
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 2: I know I think you are. And when you take

621
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Speaker 2: six guys, it doesn't seem like you're interested in developing

622
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 2: high school players to be in your program and good

623
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 2: in your program, good contributors for three, four or five years.

624
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 2: The messaging is great, but the action say, Dion's here

625
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 2: for as little time as possible. And I don't know.

626
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 2: I think that's what the strategy indicates. You got to

627
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 2: put in the work, right, You have to put in

628
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 2: years of work to build relationships with quality players. Right

629
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 2: that Bill O'Brien was the one who recruited Julian Saying

630
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 2: at Alabama, and so he was comfortable with Bill O'Brien

631
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 2: at Ohio State, and whatever that does or doesn't do

632
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 2: in terms of success, we'll see.

633
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: But like.

634
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 2: It just to me says it's not a shortcut thing,

635
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 2: but it's more a I don't necessarily want to be

636
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 2: on a flight to Charlotte, on a flight to Detroit,

637
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 2: on a flight to Jacksonville or whatever to just say

638
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 2: hi to a kid because the evaluation period has begun

639
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 2: in the winter. Like, it just doesn't strike me as

640
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 2: like that's the lifestyle Dion wants to lead.

641
00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: There's a lot of borrowing from tomorrow to pay for today. Yeah,

642
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: in this philosophy, and I guess if it works, if

643
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: it works, if you can build a winner, if you

644
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: can continue putting the spotlight on this program in the

645
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: manner that it was last season, the longer term hope

646
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: might be that that kind of feeds into the high

647
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: school recruiting and it makes that part easier. It is

648
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: definitely a strategy to go hard on the portal and

649
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: not as hard on the high school recruiting trail. That

650
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: is a choice whether or not the portal works out.

651
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: I think is going to dictate whether or not the

652
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: high school thing works out long term.

653
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 2: And look, guess what else it is what almost February,

654
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 2: do you have? How many defensive coordinators Colorado has Right

655
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 2: now at the time of recording zero, they have yet

656
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 2: to hire a defensive coordinator. There is just something about

657
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 2: Dion not necessarily grinding to build those high school relationships,

658
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 2: even if a kid ends up at USC, even if

659
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 2: a kid ends up at Michigan when they do enter

660
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 2: the port that they think fondly about their experience with

661
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 2: Deon Sanders be like, Oh, yeah, that's the move Colorado.

662
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 2: I gotta do it. So if you're not grinding out

663
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 2: high school recruiting, you're not building those relationships, and you're

664
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,760
Speaker 2: just gonna have fewer and fewer people circling back around

665
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 2: than the guys that are gonna say, well, it's Dean

666
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 2: Sanders big personality. Really what he's had really resonated with me.

667
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 2: It's great, but you gotta have familiarity. You got to

668
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 2: have those relationships. And that's why you see guys like

669
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 2: Kirby Smart winning in the portal in round two, or

670
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 2: Mike Alco winning in the portal, or you know whoever,

671
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 2: Lane Kiffin winning in the portal. It's money and it's relationship.

672
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: Even kirk ference in the portal. If you saw what

673
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: Cayden Proctor said, keeping Caden Procter warm, Sure, keeping them warm.

674
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't want to burn the boats in

675
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: this day and age in college football because you just

676
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: never know when one of those guys is gonna boomerang

677
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: back around. Yeah, we don't know the extent to which

678
00:34:56,040 --> 00:35:00,320
Speaker 1: he's got these these relationships built on the high school trail.

679
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: We can surmise based on the numbers, that is not

680
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: doing a whole lot of relationship building. I suppose that

681
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: could change, but that's very much a portal team at

682
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: time or recording.

683
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 2: If Dion we're building a ton of quality high school

684
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 2: relationships coast to coast, led by his unmatched charismatic personality

685
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:25,720
Speaker 2: in the sport nobody's close, then you're stringing. You're putting

686
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 2: together a much better and bigger recruiting class. It's easy

687
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 2: to say I'm a portal guy, not a high school

688
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 2: guy when you don't have the high school guys falling

689
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 2: over each other to commit to your school. That's all

690
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 2: any other second year guys that you want to call

691
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 2: out because we got to get to Ohio State.

692
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: I got some thoughts on Ohio State, right, any other

693
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 1: guys that we should call out.

694
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, Luke Fickle's interesting to me in the portal.

695
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 2: I just don't think he's going to be kept down

696
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 2: on either side of the ball for very long. I

697
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 2: just think he's too good a coach. I think too

698
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 2: highly of him. I think too highly of the defenses

699
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 2: and the talent he was able to find, you know,

700
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 2: three star guys at Cincinnati. Like I just, I'm not

701
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 2: a believer in TVD at this stage of his career,

702
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 2: happy to be proven wrong, happy to watch a high

703
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 2: flying Philongo TVD Wisconsin offense. I'm just I'm giving him

704
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 2: a pass. I guess I'm giving him a benefit of doubt.

705
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 2: At this point. He's been aggressive. They lost some guys,

706
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 2: which was always expected.

707
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of.

708
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 2: Guys will give that first year coach that grace period

709
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 2: to say, you know what, I'm not sure I see everything,

710
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 2: but I like it here.

711
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: I like you.

712
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 2: Let's give it a shot, and sometimes it works, sometimes

713
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 2: it doesn't. So still impressed with Wisconsin in the portal,

714
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 2: seemingly more aggressive than they were under Paul christ I

715
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 2: don't know what the final numbers are, or at least

716
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 2: pre spring numbers, are for Wisconsin, but I think they'll

717
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,280
Speaker 2: position themselves for growth.

718
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Ohio State. Let's talk about Old miss.

719
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the programs that have been very aggressive,

720
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: very aggressive in terms of not just the portal, but

721
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 1: also NIL. Yeah, roster management, roster management. Yeah. Because there

722
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: are several prongs to this thing, and it does push

723
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 1: up against the conversation of what's right and what's wrong

724
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 1: with college football in the way it's set up, Maybe

725
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 1: we can end our conversation there. Sure, Certainly Ohio State

726
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 1: right now, with how aggressive Ryan Day has been, is

727
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: the poster child for using high school recruiting, using the

728
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: transfer portal, and using NIL to great effect. Right, what

729
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: did they do? They used nil to talk most of

730
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: their big guns back now, Marvin Harrison junior, he was

731
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: always going to go pro, but most of the other

732
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: big names that could have gone pro, a lot of

733
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: them have decided now we're going to come back and play. Yeah.

734
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 1: So that was a big win in and of itself.

735
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: That recruiting job from Ryan Day was a big deal.

736
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 1: Then what else did they do? Then they went out there.

737
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: They brought in Will Howard, they brought in Quinn Shawn Judkins,

738
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 1: They brought in Caleb Downs, They got Julian Saying to

739
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: leave Bama, probably as a quarterback of the future, but

740
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: who knows. In this day and age, we have no idea.

741
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 1: That combination feels like if this were a pro football team,

742
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 1: a pro franchise, we would say they're quote unquote going

743
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: for it right. If you're a fan of that team,

744
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: good on them, Good on them. That is what you

745
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: want to see as often as you can. Not everybody

746
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: can do that. But Lane Kiff and I think tweeted

747
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: out what I think it was speculation. I didn't see

748
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: it confirmed anywhere. A report that said Ohio State needed

749
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: to spend something like thirteen million to make all of

750
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: this happen. I don't know if that's true. Sounds about right,

751
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: but regardless, they also hire Bill O'Brien to go out

752
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: there retool the offense. Whatever you think of Bill O'Brien.

753
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: Ryan Day's kicking up a lot of dust here is

754
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: my only thing with this, Okay. I love the aggressiveness.

755
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: I love what they are doing for Ryan Day. Now,

756
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 1: it is a three game season. It's a three game season.

757
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 1: You're at Oregon middle of October, You're at Penn State

758
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: beginning of November, and then you close out the year. Obviously,

759
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,720
Speaker 1: the big game at home against Michigan. Who's Penn State's

760
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: coach this year, it's still James Franklin. Oh oh High

761
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: State will be fine. Yeah, I'm saying those are the

762
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 1: three big games. Continue, those are the three big games.

763
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: The absolute floor for this team. They're not losing all

764
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 1: three of those. Not with this roster. The absolute floor

765
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 1: for a team like this is ten and two in

766
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: an at large playoff bid. I think we can look

767
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: at the schedule, barring any kind of catastrophe, we can

768
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 1: look at the schedule, we can look at the roster

769
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: and say, this team's already one of the twelve in

770
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 1: the playoff. I don't if they win the conference. I

771
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,280
Speaker 1: don't know if they get in an at large. Worst

772
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: case scenario, this should be a playoff team. Agree. Do

773
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,240
Speaker 1: we agree on that? Yeah? I mean worst case scenario

774
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: that the second best defense in America. Worst case scenario,

775
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: second best defense. So they're starting from a really good spot. Yeah.

776
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: The thing that I do want to call out though,

777
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: is that the window is now. Yeah, the window is

778
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: right now for Ohio State. Because college football as a

779
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: whole has never felt this wide open, not in a decade.

780
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: It is there for the Buckeys right now. If Ryan

781
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 1: Day cannot win it all or at least get to

782
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 1: the title game with this roster, it's time to find

783
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: a new coach. Yeah, and I feel dirty saying it

784
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 1: because I don't think he's a bad coach at all.

785
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: Obviously what he's doing has attracted some big name talent,

786
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 1: but there's no excuse at this point. There's no excuse. No,

787
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 1: this is what happens when your rival wins a national championship.

788
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: This is what happens.

789
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 2: This is what happens when you dominate a rival forever,

790
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 2: lose three straight and their head coach is holding a

791
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 2: trophy up at the.

792
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: End of the year. It's exactly what happens. By the way,

793
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: it's exactly what happened in the SEC. Everybody else in

794
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: the SEC change coaches in the timespan that Nick say,

795
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 1: even was it Alabama? They all went nuts trying to

796
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: be Alabama, trying to beat Alabama.

797
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 2: You're you're talking to somebody who roots for a school

798
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 2: Oregon Ducks. That when the Oregon State Beavers won the

799
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 2: College World Series National championship, whatever that's college just the

800
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 2: College World Series.

801
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 1: They won the national Championship.

802
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 2: Oregon resurrected a dead baseball program out of the ether.

803
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 2: Oregon hadn't had baseball. I think in decades, like, well,

804
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 2: this can't stand. We can't have this in state rival

805
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 2: get all of the baseball glory. And I think Oregon's

806
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 2: been fine baseball wise. I have no idea, you know,

807
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 2: I think maybe they've made a College World Series since

808
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 2: they've been fine.

809
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: But that's what that's the joy of rivalries, right, It's

810
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: the best. It's what makes it still. And can we

811
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: say something else about Ohio State? Please, Ohio State. You can.

812
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 2: You can say whatever you want about the money it

813
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,720
Speaker 2: is costing Ohio State. With whatever Caleb Downs, Julian saying,

814
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 2: bringing Denzel Burke, JT Tuamalu, all these guys back.

815
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 1: It's an enormous success story, huge job. Think about it.

816
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 2: Is Ohio State the second most watched team, the first

817
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:06,919
Speaker 2: most watched team over the past decade, the third most

818
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 2: watched team. Whatever they are, they are you know Musty

819
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 2: TV in nineteen ninety seven, Seinfeld friends, in the world

820
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 2: of college football. That's the attention that they attract, that

821
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 2: those players responsible because it's it is the players. It

822
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:26,760
Speaker 2: is sport played by players that those players probably loved

823
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 2: being at Ohio State, or loved their teammates, or loved

824
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 2: their coaching staff, or loved Columbus and wanted to come back,

825
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 2: but maybe it didn't make financial sense given the siren

826
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 2: song of the NFL. And then somebody ponied up to

827
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 2: pay them their worth. It's a huge success story. It's

828
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 2: a great thing for the players of college football if

829
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 2: they want to be at a school, if that's where

830
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 2: they feel at home, and they're paid a reasonable rate. However,

831
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 2: the nil at that how over, the collective works at

832
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 2: that school. It's great. Awesome for them. Awesome for a

833
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 2: WHILEO stay h much better win, you better win, you

834
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 2: better win. It might not be great for Ryan Day

835
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 2: long term.

836
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, I think Ryan Day is a

837
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: fine coach. He is proving nothing if not for the

838
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,839
Speaker 1: fact that he can put guys in the NFL. And

839
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: that has an effect on your recruiting. That makes guys

840
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: want to play for you. But to your point, the

841
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 1: rival wins, the title, pressure goes up.

842
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 2: I get a bunch of attention because I make a

843
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 2: bunch of pizzas that look good, What do you start doing?

844
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 2: What if Kate all of a sudden made a batch

845
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 2: of breakfast potatoes and a bunch of neighbors roll over

846
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 2: and we're like, these are by far the best potatoes

847
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 2: breakfast potatoes I've ever had. No, you'd lose your mind,

848
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 2: you lose you'd fly to France and take lessons.

849
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: You lose your mind. You lose your mind when the

850
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: rival does something that you want to do. Clearly he

851
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: can attract talent, but the window is now. So if

852
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 1: it doesn't work out this year, I'm not saying fire him.

853
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, mutually part ways, maybe find a

854
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 1: gig in the NFL, because this is not going to

855
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 1: be something that people can used very easily if you

856
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: don't win with this roster. But the bigger conversation about

857
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: Ohio State is it depends entirely on your perspective. They're

858
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,280
Speaker 1: either all that is right or all that is wrong

859
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: with this new era of college football because they are

860
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: using nil to prevent the ball opt outs they did

861
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 1: this year. Part of why I switch my pick, I

862
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: was wrong. But they use that infrastructure to keep guys around,

863
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: to keep the roster intact. They use the portal selectively.

864
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 1: I think you look at the headlines and it's all,

865
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: my gosh, Ohio State's building a super team. Then we

866
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 1: took six transfers. You're very selective about who they brought in.

867
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 1: They were very very targeted. Yeah, the Bizarro Coloradoah and

868
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: exactly and why they brought those guys in. So it

869
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: feels to me from this chair at least, that they

870
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: were really smart about it, they were really targeted with it,

871
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: and that they use their money as best they could

872
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: to put together the quote unquote superteam. Yeah, we don't

873
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: need to fluff up Ohio State for too much longer.

874
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: But yes, you are right, we don't need to. They don't.

875
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: They don't need to hear it from us, right, bigger picture,

876
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: if it doesn't work, bigger picture, if bringing all this

877
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 1: talent back paying whatever sum of money, Link Kiffn wants

878
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: to say, if that doesn't work, if that doesn't lead

879
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: to a championship, bigger picture, maybe some of that money

880
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: drives up until the coach changes. Sure, that is part

881
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: of what people have told us on discord is happening

882
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: at Florida right with Billy Napier discussion but this is

883
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 1: sort of the new way that college football operates and

884
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 1: ways that perhaps outside forces can apply pressure to a

885
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: coach to a situation. Perhaps it's some of what happened

886
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,240
Speaker 1: at Texas A and M as well with Jimbo Fisher.

887
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,280
Speaker 2: By the way, let's be clear, Ole miss isn't paying

888
00:45:55,360 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 2: Walter Nolan in good Vibes and Empanadas, Like, by the way,

889
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 2: let's print the shirt tie good vibes and empanadas.

890
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm jot that one.

891
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 2: I don't know why I came up with empanadas as

892
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 2: like the small handheld snack that makes people feel good,

893
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 2: but I assume it does. Ole Missus payan ole Missus

894
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 2: class is incredible, bringing in Juice Wells, bringing in Virginia Tech,

895
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 2: starting tight end, bringing in Walter Nolan, like they did

896
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 2: a great job in convincing guys to come back. Quin

897
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:24,879
Speaker 2: Shawn Jenkins isn't one of those guys, but Jackson dart

898
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 2: Is and Ole miss is just another one of those

899
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 2: teams now with the Alabama vacuum with So we'll see

900
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 2: how it works out at LSU. We'll see how Miszoo

901
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 2: follows up. We'll see if Florida improves we'll see if Georgia,

902
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 2: you know, can close out the season whatever. But in

903
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 2: a twelve team playoff era, Ole Miss is fully in

904
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 2: on the playoff with their intentions.

905
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 1: My question on that is this, Yeah, obviously a different

906
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: circumstance in Ohio State, they're starting from a different spot.

907
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: Their rival didn't just win a national championship. But you know,

908
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 1: they've been in the SEC West. They're up against a

909
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: lot of the same teams, all of them have the

910
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 1: same idea. At this point, Alabama is going to be

911
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: in a different spot this year without Saban. If you're

912
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 1: a school like Old Miss, if you're Lane Kiffen looking

913
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: out at the landscape in the SEC SEC West, Yeah,

914
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 1: what is realistic? Ole Miss?

915
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:15,879
Speaker 2: Anything less than the playoff is a failure this year

916
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 2: in a twelve team era with what they've done pushing

917
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 2: everything in.

918
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: Yes, so what happens if they don't? What happens if

919
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: they get in the playoff and they bomb out? You mean,

920
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: if they get in the playoff and lose, What does

921
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: that mean for this program?

922
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 2: I guess it depends how they lose who they lose to.

923
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 2: I don't think Lane Kiffin's any trouble because if they're

924
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 2: in the playoff, they're going what ten and two probably

925
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 2: like they've been doing, and maybe ten and three if

926
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 2: they lose an SEC championship game. But I don't think

927
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 2: it means much beyond maybe the people behind the scenes

928
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 2: opening their wallets.

929
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 1: Maybe those walts close up a little bit, wallts closed. See.

930
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: Like my my thing with ole miss is, I don't

931
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: know if they're getting better than Lank Kiffin to come

932
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: down and coach the team. Maybe it's maybe it's a

933
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: financial I don't know, but it Lane Kiffin feels like

934
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: it's pretty much top of the heap. No, I think

935
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,399
Speaker 1: he's a really good coach. I think he's a great coach. Oh,

936
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: now we're just improving adjectives with every sentence. Okay, yeah, No,

937
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 1: I fair. I just I don't think that getting rid

938
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 1: of Kiff and if it doesn't work, is necessarily the

939
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: solution that's on the table. Yeah, if you're Ohio State,

940
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: I think you're losing your You're losing your gord at

941
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 1: this point because of mis success.

942
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 2: I think it's more like, oh, Brian Kelly retires, Lane

943
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 2: Kiffin wants that job. Oh, Steve Sarcasian retired, Like that's

944
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 2: the difference with Lane Kiffin. I don't think they are

945
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 2: actively trying to get rid of him as much as

946
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 2: he is perhaps interested in other places. But yeah, this

947
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 2: is and look, it's it's even more than that, right,

948
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 2: it's the chief rival starting over once again at head

949
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 2: coach now at Jeff Levy. It's Texas A and M

950
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 2: who by the way, Lane Kiffin has had a very

951
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 2: nice record against, but they're starting over. They're going to

952
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 2: be less challenging this year probably, And so what ole

953
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 2: Miss has in front of it in this moment pretty

954
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 2: great Auburn year two, Hugh Freeze, like all of these,

955
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 2: all of these surrounding situations are fully coming up Ole Miss.

956
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 2: That's all any other smaller schools, Ty that impressed you,

957
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 2: Indiana man, Indiana, Indiana. Didn't Kurt Signetty go out on

958
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 2: the court at an Indiana game and say, like f

959
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 2: Purdue or something like that, Yeah, beat.

960
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: Purdue, it sucks something. Yeah, some some fighting words from

961
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: Curtis Scnetti. He he's done an interesting job in the portal.

962
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 1: He brought over like nine or ten guys from JMU. Yeah,

963
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 1: not to say that that necessarily translates, but it like

964
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: guys to your point from before, guys wanted to play

965
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,760
Speaker 1: for him, so they followed him. Also got the transfer

966
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: from Curtis Rourke. The dynasty continues, Yes, this time not

967
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: at Ohio. They bring him back for another season from Ohio.

968
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: I think that's a nice get. I think it at

969
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: his best when healthy, he's a legit like NFL caliber quarterback,

970
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: So that to me is one that I think jumps

971
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 1: off the page. He's been very aggressive.

972
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 2: They broke about even I believe in terms of guys

973
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 2: lost to the portal, and then guys brought in though

974
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 2: I think four and the big one was Donovan mcully,

975
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 2: great receiver coming back to Indiana. So I think you're

976
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 2: absolutely right in saying Indiana has been a portal bright spot.

977
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 2: Kentucky struck me as interesting and fun. We'll see what

978
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 2: happens with Brock Vandergriff, but they've been active as they're

979
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 2: that team.

980
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 1: That you know.

981
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 2: There's money with Kentucky Sports and so hopefully more and

982
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 2: more is pouring into football. As very brief, Texas A

983
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 2: and M head coach Mark Stoops pointed out that there's

984
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:49,959
Speaker 2: just going to be a certain budget needed and guys

985
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 2: are buying players whatever and it seems like Kentucky is

986
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 2: trying to do its part, and maybe that's you know,

987
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 2: Louisville getting the success you mentioned. You know, an in

988
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 2: state rival having success, you know, that can drive that competition.

989
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: And you know there's you.

990
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 2: Know rival friends, somebody's a Kentucky donor somebody's a Louisville

991
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 2: don or whatever that can push that. So yeah, I

992
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 2: think good for Kentucky. Oregon's once again done a great job.

993
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 2: They're not a little guy, but they've done a nice job,

994
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 2: especially at quarterback, which we talked about on the previous episode.

995
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 2: But you know, bringing Evan Stewart, in bringing in the cornerbacks,

996
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 2: I think they might get Washington's best corner. At the

997
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 2: time of recording, Tobar Mohammed hasn't committed, but it seems

998
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 2: like he's down to Washington, Alabama, Oregon and Oregon has

999
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,959
Speaker 2: a good shot. So they've been very active and they're

1000
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 2: definitely like if they don't make the playoff next year,

1001
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 2: it's a failed season. They're same boat as Ohio State,

1002
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 2: same boat as all miss any other little guys, not

1003
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 2: little guys, but medium sized guys.

1004
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: I'm I'm most interested in NC State. Oh yeah, good

1005
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: call because flying under the radar, as is ever the

1006
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: case with NC State, they always do. I've been desperate

1007
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 1: to see what GRACEO. McCall looks like in a different system.

1008
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: And I guess you could say, well, we saw that

1009
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,959
Speaker 1: last year. Yeah, in the new.

1010
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 2: Noah Rodgers and too, right, former blue chip receiver Ohio State.

1011
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:11,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. But I'm I'm I'm curious to see

1012
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: what Grace McCall looks like in a wolf Pack uniform. Definitely.

1013
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: And you know the system last year was we didn't

1014
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: expect much from the Timbeck system at Coastal.

1015
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:25,879
Speaker 2: How about how about the Diego Pavia Jerry Kill two

1016
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 2: for one to Vandy. Yeah, come on, people, Yeah, wake up,

1017
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 2: sleeping giant.

1018
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: Bigger picture. Let's let's kind of put a bow in

1019
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: this thing here. Okay, what do we need more of

1020
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 1: with the portal? What do we need less of with

1021
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: the portal? What problems are unsolvable based on what we've seen?

1022
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: Because like each year, this conversation heats back up, and

1023
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 1: I guess we're kind of on the downslope this season.

1024
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of winding down at least for now,

1025
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: this conversation is going to remain a sticking point in

1026
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 1: college football circle, like, what where are you at with this?

1027
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: You feel better? Do you feel worse? Definitely?

1028
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 2: What's unsolvable is older people and I include myself in

1029
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 2: that category. I'm not of your generation yet, but older

1030
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 2: people saying the problem is kids don't stick to their

1031
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:20,720
Speaker 2: commitments and see it through. Guess what if the transfer

1032
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 2: portal existed in nineteen eighty seven, players from nineteen eighty

1033
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 2: seven would be entering the transfer portal. Right, it's just

1034
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 2: because it exists now that players are looking for the

1035
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 2: best possible opportunity, both in terms of playing time and

1036
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 2: if they feel like they are being underpaid by the

1037
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,879
Speaker 2: market and they're not particularly happy at the place they're at,

1038
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 2: they're going to enter the.

1039
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,320
Speaker 1: And guess what, there's also a business around this. Of course,

1040
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 1: the way that there wasn't in nineteen eighty seven. And

1041
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about nil I'm talking about twenty four

1042
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: to seven. These are publicis. Yeah, I'm talking about bulletin boards,

1043
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: the SEC network. Yeah, the SEC network. Right, The way

1044
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 1: that the athletic, the way that we consume this information

1045
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 1: is drastically different thirty years later.

1046
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, with the exception being whoever ran the like one

1047
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 2: nine hundred numbers for recruiting updates?

1048
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 1: Right, right, that.

1049
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 2: Lady or gentleman is a billionaire. I assume you're you're

1050
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 2: absolutely right, you're and look that people's opinions are all valid,

1051
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 2: because nobody's really right when it comes to this stuff.

1052
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 2: The portal thing is interesting, right. The calendar is kind

1053
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 2: of messed up, but there's no obvious solution.

1054
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: That's what I jotted down for something that's unsolvable. I

1055
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: think the calendar is impossible because what people need to

1056
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:33,919
Speaker 1: realize that the calendar in this people have said, wow,

1057
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: they just like, why don't you move it? Okay, The

1058
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:38,439
Speaker 1: reason that they put it where it is is because

1059
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 1: of the academic calendar. Not really the football season got

1060
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 1: to be enrolled by a certain point. Yeah, it's not

1061
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: a football season thing. And the longer the postseason blends

1062
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 1: and bleeds into that first semester of the new year

1063
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 1: Valentine's Day, yeah, right, the more impossible it's going to

1064
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: get to find a good solution that doesn't create a

1065
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 1: Malik Murphy situation where, yeah, guy knows he wants to

1066
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: go elsewhere, He's not going to get playing time next season.

1067
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: And because of this, he's got to transfer out before

1068
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 1: his team is done. Maybe if your team is in

1069
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 1: the playoff, you get longer to enter the portal, to say,

1070
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 1: the same way, you get longer to enter the portal

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Speaker 1: if your coach leaves. Right, maybe that has some sort

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00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 1: of effect. Maybe it doesn't, but there should be some

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00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 1: concessions for guys who fall into that camp the calendar,

1074
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 1: though I don't know how you fix it. You're right,

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00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: there isn't a good solution otherwise.

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Speaker 2: No, and look, there's people are going to point to,

1077
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 2: like what Alabama's roster and exodus looks like, what Washington's

1078
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,839
Speaker 2: roster and exodus has looked like. And you know, maybe

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00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,879
Speaker 2: Arizona's a success story with Noah Fafida and te Mack

1080
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 2: coming back and you know, bringing back some key dudes

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00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 2: on both sides of the ball. But like everything, like,

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00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to be through some sort

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00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 2: of governing that says this is the new rule with this,

1084
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 2: and this is the new rule with that, Like, teams

1085
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 2: are just going to work around rules. Ultimately, money solves

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00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 2: a lot. And so if a problem is that the

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00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 2: greatest coach of all time retiring has caused this roster

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00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 2: vacuum at Alabama. It's not gonna happen a lot, right, Like, Okay,

1089
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 2: maybe Kirby Smart might retire in seven years or something

1090
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 2: like that, and George's roster is going to be abandoned.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 2: You know, sometimes you got to take the really good

1093
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 2: with the really big risks and the really bad, you know,

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00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 2: Washington's roster and getting left by Kaylan de boor for

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00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 2: a once in a lifetime opportunity, it's gonna happen. I

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00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 2: don't want, like what guardrails could possibly be in place

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Speaker 2: for Washington's roster not to be gutted. The only thing

1098
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:41,359
Speaker 2: I can think of is you gotta throw money at

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00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 2: the problem, right at it? Yeah, what convinces guys to

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00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 2: say money? How do you get that money?

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00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Maybe think creatively about buyouts? Right If Kaylan de bar

1103
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 2: leaving and Alabama that buyout money is not going to

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00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 2: an nil collective, That money's going to the Washington Athletic Department.

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Speaker 2: Maybe there's some sort of premium on top of the buyout.

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00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,959
Speaker 2: Maybe Alabama has to pay a million dollars for every

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Speaker 2: Washington win and that goes directly to an NIL collective

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00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 2: and that helps Washington get back on its feet. Maybe

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00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 2: there's something that maybe there is a direct NIL consideration

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Speaker 2: from the buyout.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I think you got to think creatively about how to

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00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 2: throw money at the problem.

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Speaker 1: That brings me to what I think we are speeding

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00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 1: towards and definitely need we need we need better representation

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00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: for the players. Sure, right now they can have representation.

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00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: I believe that helps broker endorsement deals and that sort

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00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 1: of thing. Many of these agencies are operating under the assumption,

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00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: under the hope that if it goes well for a

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Speaker 1: player on the NIL front, that they will then sign

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Speaker 1: with them before it's time to go into the NFL.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of guys who frankly won't go

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00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 1: to the NFL. They're not good enough. It's just sort

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00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 1: of built into the equation for some of these these agencies.

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Speaker 1: I think we are getting to the point now where

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00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 1: we need to kind of broaden that scope because it's

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00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 1: going to get complex, especially if NIL comes in house.

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Speaker 1: You know, which is something that is on the table.

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00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 1: If NIL comes in house, and it is not something

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00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 1: that is operated by third parties, but more operated by

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00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 1: the schools. That is where we start getting into more

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00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 1: complex agreements. I think, where perhaps you can offer an escalator,

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00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: Perhaps you can offer some sort of bonus for sticking

1134
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 1: around through the playoffs bonus, Yeah, have retention bonus, right,

1135
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 1: these things, these agreements get really really complex, and I

1136
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 1: just don't think it's fair if you're a player to

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00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: not have some sort of like broader agreement with somebody

1138
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: who knows what they're doing, who can represent you in

1139
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: your recruitment, not just on the nil front, but also

1140
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 1: you know, with all these guys entering the portal, a

1141
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 1: lot of them end up going back in to the

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00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 1: portal a year later, a lot of them end up

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00:58:56,640 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 1: going back to their schools. For as I think beneficial

1144
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 1: as it can be for a school like in Ohio

1145
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 1: State to be very selective about finding the right guy

1146
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 1: at the right time, is it also can be really

1147
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 1: difficult for a player to know, if you're not Caleb Downs,

1148
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 1: where is the best fit for me? Maybe on the

1149
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: G five level, yeah, maybe in a smaller situation, right,

1150
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 1: it can be hard to find what those spots are

1151
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 1: that can put you in the best spot to go

1152
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 1: and play and make the most of your eligibility, So

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00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: I would like to see some concessions by the NCAA

1154
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: or whoever is in charge of this to give players

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00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 1: more resources in finding that next spot. The portal's not

1156
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 1: going away anytime soon, and it can be a risky endeavor.

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00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 2: If you want to give them contracts and have them

1158
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 2: be independent contractors employees of some kinds. Okay, that solves

1159
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 2: some of the issues people have with rapid player movements.

1160
00:59:56,120 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 2: But until that happens, until things become a fit on paper,

1161
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 2: it's going to be just very hard to govern correctly.

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01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 1: I agree. And anything you want more of with the portal,

1163
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 1: like I want more, Lane Kiffin tweets, Sure, I want

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01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 1: I want more of that. I think. I think it's

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01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 1: clear that the rivalry aspect of college football, yeah, is

1166
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 1: now extending into the portal and offseason in a way

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01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 1: that we haven't seen before. And Lane Kiffin's tweets are

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01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 1: really good at kind of highlighting that, like not so

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01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 1: much a rivalry with with Missippi State, but just with

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01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: college football as a whole, other teams that might want

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01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 1: his players or whose players he might want.

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Speaker 2: I want more, And I talked about this before that

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01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 2: I think with Iowa state or something. I want more

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01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 2: off of the major team beaten path programs, and Iowa

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01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 2: State was my example. I want a billionaire to suddenly

1176
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 2: get very competitive and taken off the beaten path place

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01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 2: and be like, I'm sorry, how exactly did Caleb Downs

1178
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 2: end up at San Diego State? How exactly did Caiden

1179
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 2: Proctor end up at Nebraska? I mean, Nebraska has a

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01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 2: billionaire who is a giant fan. I just want him

1181
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 2: to be a bigger donor. So yeah, I want off

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01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 2: the beaten path. Some guy started some gaming company and

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01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 2: sold it for seven hundred and eighty four million dollars,

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01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 2: and now Troy is just throwing some I meantpid money.

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Speaker 1: There is a path for the billionaire donors of I

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01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 1: don't know wherever Boise State, the Albertsons family, Yeah, there

1187
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 1: is a path for them to invest heavily in a program,

1188
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 1: attract world class talent, and get into the playoff every year.

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01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 1: I mean it's sort of like playing an NCAA dynasty

1190
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 1: that you are, ty Hilda, what do you call yourself?

1191
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 1: Ty Hilden, Ty Hilden.

1192
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 2: Ty Hilden is such a magnetic personality and head coach

1193
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 2: that we haven't seen that he's attracting a crazy amount

1194
01:01:57,680 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 2: of talent to the Air Force acount.

1195
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 1: He is not the worst strategy, though it is not

1196
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 1: the worst schedule Nobody, of course, schedule nobody bring in

1197
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 1: great talent, kill everybody. You've got to path in.

1198
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 2: Pay your coordinators three and a half million dollars each

1199
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 2: to pry them away.

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Speaker 1: Who's not going to put that team in from the

1201
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 1: G five. You've got to path in. It's interesting.

1202
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 2: I want in the same way I read a book

1203
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 2: about Oklahoma City that it became a major city out

1204
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 2: of thin air, right that how do you create a

1205
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 2: major city that has no history? I want that for

1206
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 2: the Blue Raiders of Middle Tennessee. That's what I want

1207
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 2: from anil that you're like, well, all of a sudden,

1208
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 2: Santa Cruz, Santa Cruise does I'm a football team all

1209
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 2: of a sudden, Like Furman is just whatever, real Paladin's baby.

1210
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 2: Probably not that, but probably a Power four or five

1211
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 2: type place. Indiana something.

1212
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 1: You know.

1213
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 2: Mark Cuban is like, you know what, screw it, screw

1214
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 2: it Ooo, Hoosiers, here's eighty million dollars annually.

1215
01:02:56,920 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 1: Yeah great, I could use less of these social media graphics.

1216
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:05,920
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't require those. I would like more

1217
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 1: cheesy commitment videos though, either staying or going, like the ones,

1218
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 1: the ones where it's clear that the recruit was the

1219
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 1: executive producer and not the newer or old school yeah,

1220
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:19,919
Speaker 1: like one that they came up with on their own

1221
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:22,040
Speaker 1: with their buddies. I want more of those, please.

1222
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 2: I want I want more transparency with nil offers, like

1223
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 2: I want the actual players to you know, I want

1224
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 2: Drake May tweeting out his Georgia offer and be like,

1225
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:34,440
Speaker 2: look at this, look at this and shows his phone

1226
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 2: to the screen, and I'm staying, no money can prime

1227
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 2: you away from Chapel Hill.

1228
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 1: It is going to cost you thought to keep me

1229
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:44,440
Speaker 1: a chapel. Yeah, you will have to pay handsomely.

1230
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I want, reportedly allegedly. Yeah, that's all

1231
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:51,120
Speaker 2: I like that stuff right right in.

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01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 1: Look, this is this is a conversation I think that

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01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 1: we're going to continue to have, not just amongst ourselves,

1234
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 1: but with other people throughout the again long cold months

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01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 1: of the off season. The portal remains a very very

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01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 1: hot topic in our space, and frankly doesn't matter what

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01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 1: month it is, everybody's got opinions. On the portal, We

1238
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 1: would encourage you to share those with us maybe on

1239
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 1: one of our upcoming episodes. We'll we'll do our part

1240
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 1: to kind of read in some of those folks to

1241
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:20,920
Speaker 1: the conversation. Here sliverba gmail dot com as always the

1242
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 1: email address. You can course reach out on social media

1243
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:25,520
Speaker 1: and let us know your thoughts on the portal or

1244
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 1: really any of the teams that we discussed in the

1245
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 1: earlier part of this episode. Just curious to get your

1246
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:35,160
Speaker 1: feedback where things stand, where your team stands, let us know.

1247
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 1: We'll do our part two include those as part of

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01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:43,400
Speaker 1: an upcoming episode. Again, hit subscribe, hit follow. If you

1249
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,479
Speaker 1: made it the full way through this episode and haven't

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Speaker 1: done so yet, that helps. Please do please do join

1251
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 1: us here as we plod through the off season for

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Speaker 1: parks that we're going to watch the show season.

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Speaker 2: Do you watch us and stunning ten adp You can

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01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:05,240
Speaker 2: see ties now like kind of clemsony background, there's purple

1257
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 2: light and well the Notre Dame it's sort of golden

1258
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 2: Notre Dame pennants, but with the purple light kind of

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01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 2: look orange.

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Speaker 1: I think it's great. That's terrific. You can watch us,

1261
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 1: of course on YouTube. If you want to go out

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01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:18,959
Speaker 1: on YouTube, you can see it all out there as well.

1263
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 1: All right, good show for that guy over there, my

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01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 1: good friend Dan Rubenstein, form myself, Tie hilming Brand. Thanks

1265
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:26,440
Speaker 1: again for downloading, for listening, for sporting the show. We

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01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 1: will talk to you all next week. Space out peace,