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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori

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Speaker 1: with You've got a great couple hours here for you. Lloyd.

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Speaker 1: Our back back with US world recognized paranormal expert parapsychologist.

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Speaker 1: Lloyd holds a master's degree in parapsychology. He has forty

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Speaker 1: three years of investigating the paranormal experience in more than

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Speaker 1: forty years teaching courses on the subject. He's the Director

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Speaker 1: of the Office of Paranormal Investigations, President of the Forever

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Speaker 1: Family Foundation, and adjunct professor at Atlantic University, and is

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Speaker 1: on the board of directors of the Rhine Research Center,

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Speaker 1: where he teaches online parapsychology courses through their educational center. Currently,

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Speaker 1: you can see him also in episodes of The Unexplained

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Speaker 1: or Surviving Death on Netflix. His most recent book, that

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Speaker 1: he wrote with the Rich Husseck and Arnold Rudnick, is

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Speaker 1: called Afterlife. Lloyd, Welcome back. I can't believe it's been

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Speaker 1: four years. It hasn't been along. George. Yeah, January of

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. You were last on Wow before the pandemic.

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Speaker 1: That's amazing. Been good, been good, been very busy. You

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Speaker 1: would look like you have been my god. Well, you know,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of people who wanted online classes, and

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Speaker 1: it's been really great for the Ryan Center to be

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Speaker 1: able to offer the classes we have. Boy, how did

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Speaker 1: you get involved in all of this in Paris psychology

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Speaker 1: in general? Yeah, well, it's an interest that I had

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Speaker 1: since I was a little kid. My dad worked for NBC,

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Speaker 1: I was about two years old and unrestricted watching. I

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Speaker 1: watched shows like Topper and One Step Beyond, you know,

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Speaker 1: both of which really dealt with psychic stuff in the paranormal.

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Speaker 1: And when I was probably about twelve or thirteen, thanks

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Speaker 1: to the TV show Dark Shadows, I was going to

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Speaker 1: the library picking up books on psychic and occult things,

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Speaker 1: and lo and behold, there's science books on Paris psychology

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Speaker 1: right there. So that really put me on the track,

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Speaker 1: and a great track, indeed, because you're one of the

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Speaker 1: best life friend. Ryan Institute's still doing some work. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the Ryan Center is doing a bit of work. You

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Speaker 1: know that it was kind of closed down a little bit.

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Speaker 1: They're doing bio energy research looking at how healers and

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Speaker 1: even martial artists might give off bio photons and an

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Speaker 1: increasing amount of energy during the times that they're actually

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Speaker 1: doing things. And then, of course we're doing a lot

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Speaker 1: more of the educational center and working on a few

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Speaker 1: other projects right now, and this work here, this book

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Speaker 1: called Afterlife, tell us a little bit about this. So

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Speaker 1: Afterlife is the second in a series of novels. They're

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Speaker 1: paranormal mystery novels. We Arnold Rudnick and Rich Hoosek, who

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Speaker 1: both of whom were involved in television when I met

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Speaker 1: met them, actually met Arnold first. We actually came up

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Speaker 1: with the TV series concept which our frankly, our timing

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Speaker 1: X Files came along, then they didn't want a paranormal show,

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Speaker 1: another paranormal show. So eventually we decided to resurrect the

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Speaker 1: characters and Rich as the main writer on the novels,

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Speaker 1: and we based one of the main characters on me.

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Speaker 1: Jennifer Day is loosely based on me. She's a parapsychologist, anthropologist,

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Speaker 1: college professor, and investigator and also a magician. So those

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Speaker 1: my actual a couple of my actual cases. It's been

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Speaker 1: a really great ride, and I'm making sure that Jennifer's

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Speaker 1: commentary is all legit parapsychology. Our other character, Nate Rainey,

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Speaker 1: of parapsychology seems to be growing even more than the

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Speaker 1: forty years ago that you got into this. Well, it

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Speaker 1: which does happen to funders? Fetzer remember, yeah, John Fetzer's right, Yeah, absolutely.

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Speaker 1: What does parapsychology mean to you? Well, the term is

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Speaker 1: how the mind, how consciousness directly affects the world around us.

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Speaker 1: We call that psychokinesis or mind over matter. And of

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Speaker 1: increase our human potential in many respects. Now, there's a

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Speaker 1: processes that we have as human beings, but too much

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Speaker 1: Is science doing anything like this in different approaches? You know,

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Speaker 1: looking for, Lloyd, what are the investigators really trying to find? Well,

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Speaker 1: Forest Ackerman. Really interesting situation. Where does your work go next? Well,

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Speaker 1: many investigations of the pandemic kind of shut things down,

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