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Speaker 1: All advice. Sure, it's time. Hell, Hello, welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Naughty but Nice Show. I'm your house from Shooter and

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Speaker 1: it's Wednesday, which means our dear friend Donny Meacham joins us. Hey, Donnie,

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Speaker 1: are you there?

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Speaker 2: Hell lelo oh, it's Wednesday. Wednesday, Wednesday, My goodness, my favorite.

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Speaker 1: Flies by it. Halfway through the week we get to

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Speaker 1: celebrate it together with all the naughties. We got some

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Speaker 1: breaking news at the top of the show. Chris Evans,

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Speaker 1: Captain America, and his stunning wife Elba have secretly welcomed

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Speaker 1: their first child. They have a baby girl. Her name

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Speaker 1: is Elma Grace Attista Evans. See what they did there,

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Speaker 1: They double barreled merged their last names. I'm told she

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Speaker 1: was born the little Princess at about one thirty in

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Speaker 1: the morning. Sources are telling me Chris has not stopped smile.

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Speaker 1: He's very private about his private life, but this is

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Speaker 1: something that he wants to sing from the rooftops. Congratulations,

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Speaker 1: I love a celebrity baby. What a lucky, lucky little girl.

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Speaker 1: I hope she's going to be What.

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Speaker 3: Do you think, Oh, of course there's been It's Captain

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Speaker 3: and may ever I mean come.

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Speaker 1: On, come on, he's so handsome and he's Captain America's delicious.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations Chris, if you're listening. Hell okay, big story of

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Speaker 1: the day is King Charles is terrified that the British

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Speaker 1: mob has turned against him. So King Charles was out

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Speaker 1: about Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein. It was humiliating. The

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Speaker 1: moment is caught on video. I've got it. It's quite shocking.

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Speaker 1: So Charles is doing what the Royal school a walk

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Speaker 1: used to them shouting about Andrew, and no one's going

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Speaker 1: He was in Lichfield by the cathedral and Charles was

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Speaker 1: visibly upset by this. His brother, his disgrace. Brother is

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Speaker 1: and it's not going away until he goes away. He's

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Speaker 1: question here, Charles, what did you know? And when did

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Speaker 1: you know? It? Was there a cover up? It's always

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Speaker 1: the cover up. The cover up is often worse than

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Speaker 1: the crime. I'm not going to say that in this instance.

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Speaker 1: The crime is disgusting, and what Andrew allegedly did is disgusting.

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Speaker 1: But what did the brother know? And you can't can't

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Speaker 1: did you pay her off? Why'd you give her over

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Speaker 1: ten million dollars of your own mommy's money. Andrew didn't have.

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Speaker 1: The money came from Queen Elizabeth, So Charles nam he

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Speaker 1: thought that by stripping the titles. I get this. This

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Speaker 1: is how the royals think, or at least the royals

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Speaker 1: This story ain't gonna go anywhere, don't I.

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Speaker 2: That's the that's the issue here is the Royals in everything.

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Speaker 2: It's such it's an old tradition but.

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Speaker 3: We live in a new world.

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Speaker 2: We live in a world now where everything's on Instagram,

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Speaker 3: Now it's just.

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Speaker 2: It's all there in black and white, and they're say,

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Speaker 3: Back in the day, they couldn't.

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Speaker 1: They couldn't. They couldn't. When I was doing Crisis PR,

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Speaker 1: I love doing it. You got to adapt. King Charles

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Speaker 1: They need new, fresh, blurred, new fresh ideas because technology

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Speaker 1: It still really really matters, but you do need people

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Speaker 1: of today. Donna, you've been really successful at doing this

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Speaker 1: and adapting. You haven't always wanted to, may I add,

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Speaker 2: Louis and say, Louis, what is it that I need

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Speaker 3: And that's the thing.

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Speaker 1: But you have resisted it. Just just six months ago

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Speaker 1: King Charles was kind of startled when he was heckled

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Speaker 1: this just the beginning? Is this going to happen more?

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Speaker 1: Every walk about now? Do they have to think about this?

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Speaker 3: Oh, Brittany. Brittany.

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Speaker 2: Brittany's back in the headlines and it's not good this

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Speaker 2: time around. But her friends Madonna and Selena and Paris.

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Speaker 3: They've all ghosted her. Where are her friends at now?

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Speaker 2: and now that she's struggling, the silence from her friends

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Speaker 1: You can't, And let's be honest, this friendship was never

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Speaker 1: Hey we're best mates. It's never quite that simple. And

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Speaker 1: because it is true that Britney is by herself. All

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Speaker 1: It's a show best friendship. It's not a real friendship,

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Speaker 1: you really figure out do you have show bes friends

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Speaker 1: in your life? Donnie? Do you have real friends in

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Speaker 1: your life? I think you probably have both. Do you

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, you know the difference in even just little things.

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Speaker 2: It's like who do you talk to on a regular

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Speaker 1: Stud on my new book, Thank you for the plug.

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Speaker 1: If you haven't brought it yet Amazon, I'm number seventy

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