1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:11,079 Speaker 1: The Around the League podcast starts no. Welcome back to 2 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: another inditionally Around the League podcast. My name is Dan Handers, 3 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:16,240 Speaker 1: and I'm joined by a room filled with some heroes, 4 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: Chris Westling and Mark Sessler. What up, boys, hey man? 5 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: Back in our studio with beautiful sound quality. Yeah, we 6 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: should say thank you special thanks to everyone that listened 7 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: to the show when we were in New York and 8 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 1: New Jersey and put up with the sound. You know, 9 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: we had cave Are fill in producer who did a 10 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 1: great job, but you know, we were limited by the sound. 11 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 1: Now we're back in the studio and it's almost like 12 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: if you have like the zoos that the animals are 13 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: kept in in the early nineteen hundreds, and they would 14 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: just be bars and very crude. And that's where we 15 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: were in New York. Now we're in the habitats that 16 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: you have in San Diego Zoo where they try to 17 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: read eight what it's like for these beasts in the wild, 18 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: and everything is right. It's the way it ship. We're 19 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: still essentially under capture. We're caged and inspired analogy from 20 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: Danhan We're caged. We have shadowy League figures acting as 21 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: our zookeepers. If you will. Yeah, it still feels ominous, 22 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: but you're right, there's more clarity. It feels more like. Um, Yes, 23 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: we're back in l A. And to get back to 24 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,479 Speaker 1: l A. And we're gonna get into some more Super 25 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 1: Bowl talks and final thoughts and talk about the teams. 26 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:35,119 Speaker 1: And we're gonna get into some headlines and some some 27 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: teams that jump out to us as the offseason approaches. 28 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: Those are all topics but we we should touch on. 29 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: And by the way, Greg Rosenthal is on a sojourn 30 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: I believe, with his wife and young child, um somewhere, 31 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: So he's out, but he will be back our next podcast. Um. 32 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: If Greg's listening to this, enjoy that sunshine, buddy. That's that. 33 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: Nobody has anything else to say to Greight. Now, well, 34 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: we totally agree. Enjoy it. Enjoy it alright, a wonderful time. 35 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: So to get back to l A, we needed to 36 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: take the charter flight UM, which became one of the 37 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: great great adventures or misadventures of the modern barra. Would 38 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: that be safe to say it wasn't debacle. We basically 39 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: the flight. We got to the airport in Newark in 40 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: about noon. Flight was delayed three or four hours. It 41 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: sat on the plane for two hours. Finally they said 42 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 1: we're taking off, but we needed to take twelve bags 43 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: off the plane because we were overweight, which was it 44 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: seemed like a personal slight, but they said the plane 45 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: was overweight. They took twelve bags off. Otherwise we would 46 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 1: have had to land before La to refuel. They actually 47 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: take twenty bags off, we learned, and we still had 48 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 1: to land to refuel in Vegas. Finally got home. It 49 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: was like a thirteen or fourteen hour or deal. And 50 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: but we were at least lucky enough that we weren't 51 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: one of the twenty bags that got sent off to Seattle. Well, 52 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: in my favorite aspect of this is, so we're sitting 53 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 1: on the tarmac waiting for about an hour and a 54 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: half longer than we thought. Why how they pull said 55 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: bags off the plane and they were sneaky enough to 56 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: have a cart with twelve bags And was it NFL 57 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 1: Media's Christina Puncher, I think is her name. She she too. 58 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:12,519 Speaker 1: She took a shot of it, a picture, and it 59 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: got sent around in a office wide email. If you 60 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: have a bag on this cart, you're out there. There 61 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: were another to eight that they didn't even put on 62 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 1: that car and even beyond that. It was kind of 63 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,839 Speaker 1: a brilliant optical illusion because when you're dealing with those 64 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: kind of steaks, which is, by the way, you're gonna 65 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: be on this plane for twelve hours, and then when 66 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 1: you get to the godforsake in l a X airport, 67 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: your bag won't be there. When you try to look 68 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: at a picture like that, all you can see is 69 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: your bag, even if it's not on there, Like I 70 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: was certain my gray suit case was on there, but 71 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: it wasn't. We were all lucky enough not to deal 72 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: with that. I lost my iPod on the plane. Did 73 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: you know that that you lost your iPad? I lost 74 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: my iPod. Some people lost their dignity due to the 75 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: open bar on the plane, not not us, though we 76 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: were we were. We were rather sober minded throughout the flight. 77 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: I appreciate it that the all instructions when we got 78 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: on the flight was things will flow freely. That was 79 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: very nice. Damaged in the back of the plane had 80 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: a podcast plane cast, a plane cast impromptu. We were 81 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: not invited, but you know what, it bothered me initially, 82 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 1: and I said that to Dave when we were in 83 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: the airport after the flight. But then I said, that's okay. 84 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 1: They have their own crew. We we shouldn't impose upon 85 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: their plane. Cast They had a nice idea, and you 86 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: know we we stayed further up in the plane and 87 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: played some cards and read are you okay? You don't 88 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:42,840 Speaker 1: sound totally okay? I'm okay with it. I'm okay with it. Um. 89 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: And one other thing I did tweet about the A 90 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 1: lot of people tweeted about that, the charter flight from hell. 91 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 1: Someone tweeted back at me, Um, you shouldn't complain about 92 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: a paid vacation, which is just insanity. We worked at 93 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,559 Speaker 1: fourteen hour day on Super Bowl Sunday before or this flight. 94 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: That's a job. Bro. Well, listen, I think that there 95 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: are enough people out there that, you know, if they're 96 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 1: putting shingles on roofs or drilling holes and highways, they 97 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 1: look at what we do is we're not getting our 98 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 1: hands dirty. Am I wrong? I don't, No, I agree. 99 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: I that was my first Super Bowl experience. I enjoyed it. 100 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: I don't think I'll ever step foot in New Jersey 101 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 1: again unless it's on the airport ground. Come on, But 102 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 1: you know it was it could be seen as a vacation, 103 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: a working vacation. All right, So why don't we talk 104 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 1: about before we're gonna move forward into the off season, 105 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: and before we do that, why don't we just touch 106 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: on those two Super Bowl teams one more time? UM, 107 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 1: I would like to ask both of you, gentlemen, by 108 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: the way, the gold standards behind the glass today, how 109 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: are you gold standard? Just fine? Thank you? Did you 110 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: miss us so tremendously I would feel awkward putting it 111 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: into words. That's cool. I I noticed was very busy 112 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: during Super Bowl week. I only saw about three three 113 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: hundred to three fifty soccer related texts from the Gold State. 114 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: I just want to keep you in the loop. As 115 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: everyone knows, my favorite soccer team is the New York 116 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 1: New Jersey Metro Stars. Um. All right, so let me 117 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: ask you, gentlemen, which of these teams, the Seahawks and 118 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: the Broncos um are more likely or is more likely 119 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: to make it back to the Super Bowl next year. 120 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: This is one of those occasions when I am very 121 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: happy that I don't look, I don't work for another 122 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: network where they may encourage us to embrace one of 123 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: these teams even if we don't believe, right, Yeah, well, 124 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 1: there's no debate here. The Seahawks are clearly more likely 125 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 1: to get back. Well, they have a better salary cap situation, 126 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 1: they're younger, they have almost every key player coming back. 127 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: The Broncos don't have that, and the Seahawks were the 128 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 1: better team anyway, so they have a much better situation. Mark. Yeah, 129 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I think what West is saint 130 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 1: is that we both clearly at Seattle and say, ay, 131 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: they're young. Um, they were built in a way where 132 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: they're not a quick window, quick to combust type team. 133 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: And you know, I look over at Denver and I 134 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: say that they're not built around one player, but they 135 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: certainly are much more to a degree than Seattle is. 136 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: Seattle is a roster that every position group their strength. 137 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: And they here's the thing with their defensive backfield. They 138 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: didn't draft six all pro players. What they did was 139 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: they have the way their philosophy works, the way they 140 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: coach those players up their coach well enough to go 141 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: play and start anywhere else in the league. Yeah. And 142 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: I I wrote a really great piece this morning about 143 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: how the Seahawks used the back end of the draft 144 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:44,239 Speaker 1: so well that do you hear what you just said? 145 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: I meant wrote a great piece. West wrote a great 146 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: piece about how it's not just about a lot of 147 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: people will point out and say, oh, Russell Wilson makes 148 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: no money relatively speaking, so they were able to beef 149 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: up in other places, which is certainly true. But ultimately West, 150 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: if you can go down the line of some of 151 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: those big guys in the secondary and linebacker car Well, 152 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: the Seahawks have three players who were drafted in the 153 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: first three rounds of the draft that played extending significant 154 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: rule on defense. They have seven players drafted in the 155 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: last four rounds of the draft that that played a 156 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: significant rule. So you're talking about Richard Sherman fifth rounder, 157 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: Cam Chancellor fifth rounder, all pro type of players. Uh 158 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: Byron Maxwell came out and played great opposite Sherman's sixth 159 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: rounder Malcolm Smith, superill MVP seventh rounder, kJ Wright, one 160 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 1: of the best coverage linebackers in the NFL, fourth rounder, 161 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,839 Speaker 1: Red Bryant one of the best run stoppers in the NFL. 162 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: Fourth rounder, and then Jeremy Lane, a guy in the 163 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: secondary who was one of the best special teams player 164 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: in the NFL, was the sixth rounder. This this is 165 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: a defense where they're not paying these guys a lot 166 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: of money, but they're still playing better than anybody in 167 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: the NFL. And that's when I look at the idea 168 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,839 Speaker 1: of a dynasty and how a team can be set 169 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: up for a dynasty. And no, people are gonna quickly 170 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: tell you to shut up, and you know, they win 171 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: one super Bowl and all of a sudden you're talking. 172 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: But no, this team is set up for that type 173 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 1: of run because they have so many of these guys 174 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: that are under their control, so much talent on the roster. 175 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: It's it's really they have a very good shot at 176 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: making a run. In fact, when you factor in young 177 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: and talented and also a third round pick Russell Wilson 178 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: as the quarterback. No team has been this well set 179 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: up since those early Auts Patriots team teams. And I 180 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: just want to say one thing about the Broncos. Mark 181 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: you alluded to it that on some level they're really 182 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:39,839 Speaker 1: built around Peyton Manning and he's gonna be thirty eight 183 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: next year, you know, and he's this is to me, 184 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: and when they look back at this season, and and 185 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: we touched on this on the Sunday Show, when when 186 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 1: John Elway wakes up on Monday morning, he knows this 187 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 1: was a colossal missed opportunity because always Manning is gonna 188 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: get old. And even if if he played it, if 189 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: it's fair to say he played an A plus level 190 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: this year, even if he drops down to an A 191 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 1: minus B plus type guy in his age thirty eight season, 192 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 1: which is highly possible, I don't think there's enough on 193 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 1: this roster to fill the void, even von Miller coming back. 194 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: I think that they need him to be at that 195 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: level to be in the mix. Well, look it's saying 196 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: it starts with Peyton Mann and if he is able 197 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: to approach the play from this season, I'd have no 198 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: problem with Denver with even if they lose Decker and 199 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: maybe a player here and there, going twelve wins, maybe 200 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: even more and going right back to the NFC Championship 201 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: if he pulls a late last season five type thing, 202 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: which I don't see happening with Peyton, different situation where 203 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: he's not getting hit like that. But when you're talking 204 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: about a little bit, is that the Broncos were built 205 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: to sign Peyton. He's eating up all their cap space 206 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: with a window built around Peyton's career, as far as 207 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: he goes, we will go the Seahawks built their team 208 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: completely different, and people were ripping Seattle three years ago 209 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: on draft Day when they were picking players that everyone 210 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: else said, not on our board, What is up with 211 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: Pete Carroll, John Schneider's crazy? And now everyone saying, oh wait. 212 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: They were building a defense based on a different type 213 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: of defensive back that other teams don't use. Now they do, 214 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: But they were ahead of the curve where Denver, I think, 215 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: is patched up a lot of holes this offseason before 216 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 1: this year with veterans, with guys Ellie went out and 217 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 1: got veterans and known quantity. I think there's a lot 218 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: of talent on Denver's roster, and I think Elway has 219 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:27,599 Speaker 1: done a great job as well. I don't think this 220 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: is a situation where Schneider blue um Elway out of 221 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: the water. From a personnel standpoint, And to your point 222 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: about far I don't think. I don't see a manning 223 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,719 Speaker 1: uh dropping off the way Farve did in his last 224 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 1: Minnesota season. But I don't think it has to be 225 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 1: that much of a drop for them to really come 226 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: back to the pack. There's no way he's going to 227 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: repeat what he did, and he probably won't even come close. 228 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: When we predicted in August that this offense would break records, 229 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: we did so because they had that foursome Decker, Welker, Thomas, 230 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: and Thomas. If you take Decker away, they no longer 231 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: have that forsome. They no longer have to pick your 232 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: poison offense that forces defenses to play one on one 233 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: all over the field. And the more teams embrace what 234 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: Seattle is doing and play physical, get big, physical defensive 235 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: backs to push the Broncos receivers around this. This wasn't 236 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: the first time all season it happened. The Colts won 237 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 1: by doing the same thing. And if more teams start 238 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: to emulate that, I think the Broncos will have more trouble. 239 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: I just don't see the Broncos. I think they'll have 240 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: to be the FC favorites again, depending on what happens 241 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:34,079 Speaker 1: in the draft and free agency. They were clearly the 242 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,679 Speaker 1: strongest team in the FC, but they can't hang with 243 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 1: the Seahawks. But here's why you can't go out anyone 244 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: thinking though Denver's gonna come out next year, lay A Egg. 245 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:44,839 Speaker 1: I talked to Robert Mathis and NFL Honors and what 246 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: do you say, was, well, this is this is, this 247 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:48,959 Speaker 1: is how it works. And we talk to people that 248 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 1: tell us things that the reason that usually we all 249 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: just kind of blow over it marks like, well, let 250 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: me tell you why it is. Why I just dropped 251 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: this name, because yeah, I thought that Indie game was 252 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 1: so interestingly close to how Seattle put pressure on Manning. 253 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 1: He said that he put all the credit mathis on 254 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: Indie's defensive backs in that game. Particularly said, they gave 255 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 1: us that extra half second second and that's exactly what 256 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: Seattle did. So if you don't have it out back 257 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: in the back of your defense, like, you're not gonna 258 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: be able to slow Manning down next year. I still 259 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: see there's no way I can sit here, and so 260 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: they're gonna fall off a cliff or something. One one 261 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: last question I'll present to both of you guys, Uh, 262 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: can you have envisioned a scenario where the Seahawks don't 263 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 1: win eleven plus games next year? It would have to 264 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:38,319 Speaker 1: be injury related, especially maybe with Russell Wilson getting injured. 265 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: That's a scenario. But they basically have a one year, 266 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: one more year window here where they can build the 267 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 1: best rockter in the NFL because they don't have to 268 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 1: pay Russ. Russell Wilson's gonna go for five hundred thousand 269 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: to twenty million when he gets his extension properly, and 270 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: that by the way the NFL's collective bargaining agreement works, 271 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 1: they can't even offer him an extension until next off season. Yeah, 272 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,199 Speaker 1: I'd agree with that because you look at like, for instance, 273 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: if Marshawn Lynn went down, they've gone out of their 274 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: way with Christine, Michael and Terman to build up that 275 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 1: build up the ranks behind a lot of their star players. 276 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: But just like Denver, if they were to lose Russell Wilson, 277 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: you're not plugging too Mars Jackson in there and getting 278 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: the same results. You're not plugging whoever the heck it 279 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: is they have as a backup next year. He is 280 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: a special players. She shouldn't be completely overshadowed by Manning here. 281 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: But yeah, they're they're built to win games with anyone 282 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: on the field. We saw that they lost their entire 283 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: defensive backfield and chunks over the last two seasons and 284 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: they continue to win. All right, fellas good talk. I 285 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: was really impressed by the knowledge that you brought on 286 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: that topic. That sounds a little condescending, but it was 287 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: professional and west when I said that I wrote that 288 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: article earlier today. Total accident on my part, not something 289 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: I was trying to get over on the audience. Fair enough, 290 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: That's fine with me. Listen, let's just move forward. Hey, 291 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: the gold standard behind the glass. Why don't we do 292 00:14:55,920 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: some headlines? Okay, let's do it. We'll start with news 293 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: that broke yesterday. The NFL and CBS will partner on 294 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: Thursday Night Football in two thousand fourteen. Uh the break 295 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: that CBS will produce all the games. They will air 296 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: eight early season games before NFL Network takes over for 297 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: the final eight games leading up to the postseason fourteen 298 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: games when we played Thursday, with two late season games 299 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: taking place on Saturday of week sixteen. Yes, the return 300 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: of Saturday NFL Football or doubleheader. Phil Simms and Jim 301 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: Nance will cover call six fourteen and the sixteen games 302 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: seems to be pretty much a slam dunk for the NFL. 303 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: Am I correct on this. It seems like it would 304 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: help more fans. More fans who don't have access to 305 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: cable can watch basic television and see games. That's true. 306 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: I also think that when I say slam dunk. This 307 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: is going to be a ratings bonanza for CBS, and 308 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: I think it's going to on Thursday Night on the 309 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: biggest network on television in terms of ratings, on the 310 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: biggest night for television in terms of advertising. This is 311 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: going to be huge, and I would be kind of 312 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: surprised if eventually all sixteen games weren't on on television, 313 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: on on broadcast TV. The only thing that I was 314 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: kind of bummed out about because I would like that there. 315 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: I like, there's a night football. I know a lot 316 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: of people don't. Um. I'm happy that Saturday football is back. 317 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: I'm a little bump to lose Mike Mayock and Brad Nessler. 318 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: I thought they did a good job. I am too. 319 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: I wonder if they'll find uh well, those guys also 320 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: broadcast plenty of other games. Mike Mayock is a busy man. 321 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: I know that. I think this is going to make 322 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: a lot of rich men much richer because this is 323 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: a home run right out of the park. But the 324 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: Saturday Night football, I mean, I remember as a kid 325 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: watching that right end of the year. That was when 326 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: you knew Christmas was close, you were getting close to 327 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: school holiday. When those Saturday night games. Well, they weren't 328 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: in the old days. They weren't Saturday night affairs. Maybe Saturday, 329 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: but there'll be. They throw a few like four the 330 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: other four o'clock East Coast. It's dark by the time 331 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 1: the things starts, and it's it works because college football 332 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: is over by that time, and you know it's actually 333 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: to me, it's just it's good because it gives another 334 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: reason to get Settler into the office on a Saturday. Yes, 335 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: if you are covering this sport twenty years from now, 336 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,199 Speaker 1: will you be covering a primetime game every night of 337 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: the week. I would say no. I think there are issues. 338 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 1: There are political issues involved, and it all gets tied 339 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: up in that stuff where college football is gonna say, hey, 340 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: we own this night, or high school football says we 341 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 1: own this night, and you love the high school football 342 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 1: taking down the NFL in scenario. It's an anachronism, but 343 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons why the NFL and college 344 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 1: you don't play on Friday nights because lawmakers have had 345 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 1: to agree to this kind of stuff when they okay 346 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: antitrust exemptions for the NFL and mark your favorite show, 347 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: Big Bang Theory getting moved off Thursday because of this. 348 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,199 Speaker 1: I actually have no idea about that when that is 349 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: on Thursday, respect the show. I did not even know 350 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: it was on Thursday, right. I think we've tapped this well, 351 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 1: all right. Tony Gonzalez tells ESPN the magazine quote, Matt's 352 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 1: an excellent quarterback, referring to Matt Ryan, the Falcons quarterback, 353 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 1: but he's not elite. He's this close and I imagine 354 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 1: Tony Gonzalez is holding his pointer finger and his thumb 355 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 1: together as he says that, like this close. But we 356 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,120 Speaker 1: don't know that it could be he could be stretching 357 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 1: his wingspan as far as he possibly could. That the 358 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: technical name a pointer finger pointer, you're pointing with it? 359 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: What is it? Index? Index? Finger? I don't know if 360 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 1: that's pointing with it? Uh. Do we agree with what 361 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: Tony Gonzalez has to say on this issue. I think 362 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: that's fair. Can you name a quarterback in the NFL 363 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 1: who is elite but is not the best player on 364 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: his offense. I can't think that's fair. I think the 365 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: silence kind of Julio Jones, we talked about this when 366 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: Julio Jones went down with the injury that Matt Ryan's 367 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: limitations will surface. He's not a guy who can carry 368 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: an offense. He depends on his surrounding talent, and he's 369 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 1: as good as you can possibly be bison rending, depending 370 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,439 Speaker 1: on your surrounding talent. But Julio Jones makes that offense go. 371 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: In my opinion, I'm not sure what I mean. You know, 372 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: we were at one point barred from writing articles that 373 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 1: talked about any quarterback being elite, remember that, right, And 374 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: so I'm not sure what it means because I think 375 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 1: it's a it's bubbled up in the last four or 376 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 1: five years, not to talk about the players that are, 377 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,880 Speaker 1: but to talk about the players that well, you think 378 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,439 Speaker 1: you've done this, Eli Manning, but you're not elite, or 379 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:35,400 Speaker 1: Joe Flacco, you're not elite. And then it's like, I'll 380 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: go win a title and now I'm elite. So I'm 381 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: not sure what it has to do with beyond winning titles. 382 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: At this point, I think Matt Ryan hasn't won a 383 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: Super Bowl, and that's why people say that it's an 384 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: elusive definition. But I think in order to be elite, 385 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to be better than one and four 386 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: in the playoffs and and that's what Matt Ryan's record point. 387 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 1: And I also think if you and you use Peyton 388 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: Manning as the most recent example, you can be elite. 389 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: You could be the best quarterback in the world. Is 390 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 1: you need the team around you to get over the hump. 391 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: And that's how Eli Manning ended up with two rings, 392 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: and that's how Joe Flacco got the biggest contract ever 393 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: for a while there and want to ring. Uh, the 394 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: Falcons regress talent wise and dealt with injuries last year 395 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: and it made Matt Ryan look worse. I mean, I 396 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: don't even think it reflects poorly on the guy. I 397 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: think Matt Ryan played the exact same as he did 398 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 1: in two thousand and twelve. He just had a worse 399 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: offensive line and two receivers who were injured. That's not 400 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 1: really his fault. But the game film shows the same 401 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: quarterback now next year used to do it without Tony Gonzalez. 402 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: Just for fun, West, would you rather have Matt Ryan 403 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 1: or Joe Flacco on your roster? Going Matt Ryan? Easy decision, Yeah, 404 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:46,159 Speaker 1: that's that's that's not a hard decision. Alright, Fine, whatever 405 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 1: what about you? You Dan Matt Ryan? But I like 406 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 1: Matt Ryan more than West certainly, and and I believe 407 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:54,199 Speaker 1: Mark and I might be a little more on the 408 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,640 Speaker 1: same page. But I'm not a huge Matt Ryan fan, 409 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: but that has more to do with the blase nature 410 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: of their home stadium and Matt Ryan himself, even his 411 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: name is I thought I like him. I just you 412 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: can't say he's a great. He doesn't carry the offense 413 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: like guys like Aaron Rodgers too. I just think he's 414 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: ranked where he's supposed to be ranked. He's about the 415 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: eighth best, seventh best quarterback in the NFL, which isn't 416 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 1: such a bad thing. Is there a a R scale 417 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 1: after Ryan scale? I'll work on that for you. That's 418 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: that's interesting. Maybe he's the dividing line between elite and 419 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: might he's in the Philip Rimmers category. To me, he's 420 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 1: a dividing line between elite and yet still a franchise quarterback. 421 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: We might have to go into the lab on this 422 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: one for a couple of months. Tony Romo might be 423 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 1: around there. Big ban I put closer to elite than 424 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: than the best. And finally, two former Packers standouts with 425 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: neck issues are hoping to be in the mix. In 426 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 1: two thousand fourteen, tight ender Michael Finley uh said that 427 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: he wants to finish his career with the Packers after 428 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: his spinal fusion surgery, and then safety Nick Collins said 429 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: he's quote willing to take a chance after two years 430 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 1: away from the game after suffering a serious neck injury. 431 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: You know, and maybe it's just me, but whenever a 432 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 1: guy says I'm willing to take a chance and he's 433 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: talking about a neck injury and the type of thing 434 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: that could put you in a wheelchair, I don't know 435 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: if that's necessarily the right move. Well, he's willing to 436 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 1: take a chance, but last year, when he was free 437 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: to sign wherever he wanted, no teams were willing to 438 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: take that chance. So we have to see if anything 439 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: is different this time around. I think it's easy to 440 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: forget just how good Nick Collins was three straight Pro 441 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 1: Bowls before that neck injury ended his career. The Packers 442 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: defense has really not replaced him since he left. That's 443 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 1: been a big vacancy in their back end. And that 444 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: says though, because they haven't filled void at all. How 445 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 1: serious being close to that player, they did not want 446 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: to They did not want to flip the switch and 447 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:46,919 Speaker 1: put him back on the field. I don't know what 448 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,640 Speaker 1: front office decides to take that chance, because uh, it's 449 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: you know, it's a tough situation, but it's a pr 450 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,239 Speaker 1: disaster waiting to happen. If he gets injured, well, I 451 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,880 Speaker 1: think I have a problem with someone telling another person 452 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:00,919 Speaker 1: how to live their life. So for me, if he 453 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 1: wants to play, go for it. Sure for him, but 454 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 1: someone's got to agree to take because I would never 455 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 1: criticize him for taking a risk to put himself in 456 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: a wheelchair. If that's something he wants to do, and 457 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,919 Speaker 1: he's a thoughtful guy, He's considered all the ramifications. Go 458 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 1: for it if that's what you want to do, Jeremichael Finley. 459 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 1: We should note last time we talked about him, there 460 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: was a debate. There was plenty of question. I remember 461 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: Mark shamirra Mark Shamira said, like chance Finley never plays again. 462 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: So now all the news is he expects to be 463 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: fully cleared within a couple of weeks. It looks like 464 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 1: he will play again. I doubt we see him in 465 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:37,679 Speaker 1: a package uniforl And by the way, Peyton Manning, we 466 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: were having this conversation about him two seasons ago, so 467 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: it's you know, these guys do come back and they 468 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: have the best treatment in the world, and they seem 469 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,360 Speaker 1: to come back from injuries we would never come back from, 470 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:54,880 Speaker 1: especially Dan too. To quote Michael Scott, it's all nebulos. Yes, 471 00:23:54,960 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 1: that would be us. Um. All right, let's move forward offseason. 472 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: We're about to get into it in in a real way. 473 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 1: The combines coming up. I believe you two gentlemen will 474 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,199 Speaker 1: be going. Is that correct? I have my fingers crossed. 475 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 1: That's close to my hometown of Cincinnati, and it starts 476 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: on my forty birthday. So I'm hoping the fingers a 477 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: few people make the caravan to Cincinnati for that. Chris, 478 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,439 Speaker 1: I'm gonna make that happen. I'll make sure you're in 479 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: that building, Luca Soil Stadium. I have that kind of sway. 480 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 1: You know, who's gonna call me out right now in 481 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: the middle of the podcast. Um. But yeah, So the combine, 482 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 1: to me, it's like the unofficial or official start of 483 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 1: work work. It's not an original thought by me. The 484 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 1: combine is a big part of the draft process. I 485 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: never thought of it that way. You know. That's the 486 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 1: way I always look at it. And I'm a little 487 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: outside the box, but combine draft, there's a connection there. Um, 488 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 1: so we off the rails. So I ask you, gentlemen, 489 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 1: and I will offer my own team as well. But um, 490 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: try to play this off as if you hadn't had 491 00:24:55,800 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: time to prepare most intriguing teams as we hit the 492 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: off season. Well, this goes with our off season forecast, 493 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,880 Speaker 1: which is being placed on the website this week. Dan 494 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 1: is going to start with the Jets. Mark has done 495 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,479 Speaker 1: the Browns. One team I'm interested in the Pittsburgh Steelers. 496 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: I feel like this is a pivotal off season for them. 497 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: We heard reports during the season that if things didn't 498 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: go well, Paula Mallo will be dumped, Ryan Clark will 499 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 1: be dumped, Brett Keisel like Taylor Uh. There's talk that 500 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 1: Lamar Woodley will be cut. Maybe Jason Worlds is a 501 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: free agent. Do they resigned him or resigned Woodley. There's 502 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: a lot that can go on on this defense, and 503 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: it's basically do we expect to contend or are we 504 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 1: going to go with a flat out rebuilding season. So 505 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,159 Speaker 1: to me, that's the one I'm most looking forward to. 506 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 1: How about what came up at the end of the year, 507 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,360 Speaker 1: when uh, the rumors bubbled up the Big Ben might 508 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 1: be dealt. Do you that at this point of view, 509 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: that is a non entity, that's there's no zero percent 510 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,159 Speaker 1: chance of that happening. I will suggest to play devil's 511 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: advocate though, if you if they do decide internally to 512 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 1: do a full rebuild, doesn't make sense to have a 513 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: thirty two year old quarterback that could yield a small 514 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 1: fortune on on the open market. Sure, sure, it makes 515 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 1: sense because you're never going to get value for a 516 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: franchise quarterback and teams are looking for franchise quarterbacks. This 517 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,439 Speaker 1: is what the Steelers if they traded Big Ben, they 518 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: go into a window where they have no replacement. And really, 519 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 1: we've seen one good draft, one good offseason could turn 520 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,719 Speaker 1: a franchise around. Look at the Look at the Seahawks 521 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: as an example, two thousand eleven draft and free agency. 522 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: They turn that franchise around. The Steelers can do the 523 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 1: same thing. So when you say that your most intrigued 524 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 1: by the Steelers this offseason, is there a scenario whereby 525 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: the Steelers hit a home run in the draft and 526 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,400 Speaker 1: make a couple of depth signing death signings in free 527 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,880 Speaker 1: agency and they're a playoff team next year. Absolutely, look 528 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: at look at their offense. By the end of the year, 529 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: Levion Bell looked great. Heath Miller's coming back another year 530 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: removed from knee surgery. Antonio Brown was one of the 531 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: better receivers in the league down the stretch, and the 532 00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: offensive line I think gave Big Ben a few as 533 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 1: acts in five or six seasons. There's a lot to 534 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: look forward on offense. They just have a lot of 535 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 1: homework to do on defense. And Roethlisberger looks so good 536 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: in the second half of it. Was pretty good all season, 537 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 1: but in the second half of the season, if you 538 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: take his stats and his production put up up against anybody, 539 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 1: he's right there. So this is a guy that's still 540 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,200 Speaker 1: right in the prime of his career. If you put 541 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: some talent around him, they're gonna win games. This is 542 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:21,400 Speaker 1: a team that went eight and four in its final 543 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: twelve games. It's not that outlandish to think they'll be 544 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,479 Speaker 1: a playoff team. Mark, how about you, Well, I mean, 545 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 1: there's a bunch I go Houston right now because I think, Ay, 546 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,919 Speaker 1: they've got that number one pick, they've got a new coach. 547 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:39,360 Speaker 1: We're already hearing that the owner wants potentially Johnny Manzel, 548 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 1: but the coach might want a different quarterback based on 549 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,160 Speaker 1: his own read on Johnny Manziel. I think it's gonna 550 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: be very intriguing to see what happens leading up to 551 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: the draft, because you know, out of the gate, a 552 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 1: lot of people thought, well, you know, look at this 553 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,199 Speaker 1: defense is so dominant when it when it wants to be. 554 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: It was two seasons ago. What if we add Jadeveon 555 00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: Clowney to the mix. So there's a lot of ways 556 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 1: you can go. But I think that what we've seen, 557 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,360 Speaker 1: even in the last couple of days, they didn't hire 558 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: an offensive coordinator. So Bill O'Brien, Uh, what that tells 559 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: me is we're gonna go out and get mattch job 560 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,920 Speaker 1: is out the door. Obviously, case Keenum, I think he'll 561 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: get a look, but that's about it. We're gonna get 562 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,679 Speaker 1: our own quarterback, and our head coach is going to 563 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 1: be tied at the hip to this guy from day one, 564 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: and that's that's gonna define O'Brien's legacy is whoever they 565 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: pick and how that works out. But at the same time, 566 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 1: the thing that stuck sit out to me during O'Brien's 567 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 1: initial press or was the owner, Bob mcnario basically said, 568 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,639 Speaker 1: we are not rebuilding. We are a playoff team that 569 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: had a bad season. We're gonna go right back in 570 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,479 Speaker 1: and win now. And how do you attack that from 571 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: the draft, Because I look at Houston and say, you 572 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: actually have more holes than some people think you do, 573 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: and that coach might be under more pressure than any 574 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: other this first season to win right out of the 575 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: gate and go right back to a twelve and four 576 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: thirteen and three type scenario. And that's tough to do 577 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: with a rookie quarterback, depending on who it as they get, 578 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: and it's tough to do hard, very hard, And I 579 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 1: mean it's and will O'Brien navigate, you know, I understand 580 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: at Penn State he didn't have an O C and 581 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: he called his home plays. But being a first year 582 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: head coach, and when you read books about first year 583 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 1: head coaches and you get what they said coming out 584 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: of it's like I knew nothing last year and the 585 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 1: second year, I'm starting to finally get a drift of 586 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: what's happening. That's a tough thing to not have a 587 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: coordinator one side the ball. Can you say, Johnny Football again, 588 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 1: Johnny Football, I saw it. I saw your heart skip 589 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 1: a beat in your chest. Mark, Well, that's right, because 590 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: I like to imagine you having day dreams while at 591 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: the office, are sitting at home of you and Johnny 592 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 1: Ownzel getting a condo together in downtown Cleveland. Wait, why 593 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 1: are we going down? Why would I be living with him? 594 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 1: Just friends? It's like a friend thing, but you're like 595 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,239 Speaker 1: going through You're almost like his turtle. To use an 596 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: entourage analogy. It is interesting because whatever they do at 597 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: number one, if they'd go defense that rams the Texans, 598 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: the Rams can they potentially have that pick to trade 599 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: right there. If someone gets desperate and wants to trade 600 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 1: up for the quarterback they want, it's gonna be very 601 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: interesting things they do. And I think Cleveland's you know, 602 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: transmit for ages. We if this is real, we want 603 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 1: Johnnie Football or whoever we want, We're gonna get him. 604 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: This is a pretty cushy place for a quarterback to 605 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: fall though. People forget how good DeAndre Hopkins looked early 606 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: last season before basically the two quarterbacks sabotage the offense. 607 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: Um Andre Johnson is still playing at a Pro Bowl. 608 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: I don't know how much time he has left though, 609 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: even though he played great least year, he's getting old 610 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: good point, but he's still playing well right now. He 611 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 1: could be at that right at that point, like the 612 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 1: Steve Smith two thousand thirteen drop off level, that could 613 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 1: be happening at any point. Now they are going to 614 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 1: probably lose Bentait sounds like he's going to go out 615 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: the door, and then who knows, Arian Foster a little 616 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: bit injury prone. I mean right, suddenly you don't have 617 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 1: that deep backfield, so we'll see. I was just left 618 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 1: Dan just staring at you know, a thousand yards, staring 619 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: to nothing across the room. Well, let me tell you 620 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: about my team, Mark and Chris more popularly known as 621 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: West and Cess amongst the East Rutherford scene of New 622 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 1: Jersey and Newark in Jersey City, very popular in Jersey. 623 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 1: Did you guys get any heat on Twitter, by the way, 624 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 1: for your assassination of Chris Christie's state? What's oddest? I 625 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: got not a single message I expected to be obliterated. Uh, 626 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 1: not a single New Jersey and sent me anything. Maybe 627 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,239 Speaker 1: it's because we said that people were great. It's just 628 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 1: that the in January when it's eight degrees out. The 629 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: landscape is bleak. There's nothing they can do about that. 630 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 1: Jersey Strong, I received a wayward restaurant recommendation. I believe 631 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: that I got a few of those as well. I 632 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 1: think people wanted us to enjoy our stay better than 633 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 1: we were doing. As someone that that is a native 634 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: of the region, you guys were staying in the wrong 635 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 1: area of New Jersey. One day, I will take you 636 00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: to nice areas of New Jersey. No thanks, I'll take 637 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: you on one of those motorcycles with a sidecar. Um. Alright. 638 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: My team is the Arizona Cardinals. This is an intriguing team. 639 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: They went ten and six in a loaded division, missed 640 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 1: the playoffs, of course. But there are some things that 641 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: jump out right now. First of all, you have Patrick Peterson, 642 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 1: who's really emerged, fair to say, is a top three, 643 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,959 Speaker 1: top five cornerback in this league. Now. Um he he 644 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 1: hinted that he might hold out. He actually told p 645 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 1: f T when asked about a uh, the idea of 646 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: a holdout to obtain a new contract. I can't speak 647 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: on that right now. That sounded foreboding. Um. You also 648 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 1: have also in that secondary honey Badger who suffered obviously 649 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: that bad knee injury in December. There's a bit of 650 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: mystery around him about you know, I'm sure he'll be 651 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 1: ready for the season, or he should be ready for 652 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 1: the season, but who knows if he'll be Honey Badger again, 653 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: because he was probably I know, my boy, Sheldon Richardson 654 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: got Defensive Rookie of the Year, but he really that 655 00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: was Honey Badger's award that he basically had to give up. 656 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 1: Um fair to say, I think that's fair. He would 657 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: have he would have been in the running definitely. And 658 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: then uh, Carlos Dansby, he was the anchor of of Bowls' 659 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 1: defense last year and he's headed towards free agency plans 660 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 1: to test the market. And he's an interesting case because 661 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: he's turning thirty three in November, and nobody really wanted 662 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 1: him last off season, if you remember, he sat out 663 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 1: there forever like Daryl Smith did with the Ravens. Nobody 664 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 1: wanted him, and Cardinals fans will tell you he was 665 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 1: a legitimate Defensive Player of the Year candidate. By the way, 666 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: no one nobody wanted John Abraham either, But I mean, 667 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 1: how much how much commitment do you make to a 668 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: thirty three year old linebacker. That's a good question. I 669 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 1: look at like a nice eight year contract. If fitz 670 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 1: Gerald specifically mentioned Dansby and Peterson when he restructured his 671 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 1: contract that he wants that money to go to those guys, 672 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: and oddly through Frosty Rucker, that threw me for a loop. 673 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: Frosty Rucker, released by the Browns, suddenly is on Fitzgerald's 674 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: wish list when he's on Larry's radar. Well, I think 675 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: the Cardinals on the other side of the ball, they 676 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 1: have to fix the offensive line once again, have one 677 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 1: of the worst pass protections in the NFL. UH. They 678 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 1: need a left tackle. What's good for them is they 679 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 1: do have Jonathan Cooper coming back, their first round pick 680 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 1: from last year who didn't play a single game. He 681 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: should be coming back healthy. But they need to retold 682 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 1: that offensive line. And for me, I guess I'll always 683 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: question Carson Palmer. But but maybe they take a second 684 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,919 Speaker 1: or third round quarterback UH as his successor. That would 685 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 1: make sense. Um. Larry Fitzgerald Sr. Of course, the father 686 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,719 Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals wide receiver, was right in front 687 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 1: of Mark and I outside the winning locker room on 688 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 1: Sunday in the Metal Lands, and I did ask him. 689 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,399 Speaker 1: I said, Larry, is is your son gonna be back 690 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 1: with the Cardinals? This is right before the restruction is broken. 691 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,880 Speaker 1: He's like, damn, he just needs to get here or 692 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,320 Speaker 1: something like that. Referring to the super Bowl. Yeah, the 693 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: super Bowl, which makes sense. Did Dan not just completely 694 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,719 Speaker 1: name drop? Yes? He did, And we just want to 695 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,759 Speaker 1: know one category is that? That was it out of 696 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 1: the way? Name drop? Sometimes you just gotta work your 697 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 1: way to there and then show your influence within the 698 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 1: structure of the professional sports coverage. Um, alright, so those 699 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 1: are the three teams. Well, what's interesting about the Cardinals 700 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 1: is I keep seeing like power rankings on who are 701 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,840 Speaker 1: the five best teams entering the off season, and I 702 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 1: keep seeing the Cardinals in the top five. It's just 703 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 1: hard for me to believe. Well that's natural though. I mean, 704 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 1: they beat Seattle at the end of the year. They 705 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,240 Speaker 1: came within a game of the playoffs, and in that division, 706 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: they I thought they were one of the arians. Was 707 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 1: obviously like a Coach of the Year type candidate. But 708 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,240 Speaker 1: those things don't tend to work out a lot of times. 709 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,359 Speaker 1: I just can't see a team with Carson Palmer as 710 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 1: its quarterback, being one of the top five teams in 711 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,279 Speaker 1: the NFL. No, and he he had like the most 712 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: Carson Palmer Carson Palmer season ever this year, and now 713 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,879 Speaker 1: he's gonna be thirty five next year. I just, I mean, 714 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,879 Speaker 1: he's not gonna get better. He's just gonna be who 715 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: he is. And and unless unless you really have a 716 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 1: monster team built around him, they're not gonna come out 717 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:58,840 Speaker 1: of the NFC or be one of those power players. 718 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 1: Didn't he throw four inter set options in that win 719 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 1: over Seattle? Yes, that's not a that's not astarly a 720 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:09,320 Speaker 1: paradigm for winning. He's sneaky terrible. I mean, I well, 721 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 1: you know he was sneaky terrible early in the year. 722 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 1: He did play pretty well in the second half. But 723 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 1: I just he's not a top fifteen NFL corps. I 724 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,360 Speaker 1: think they must know that though, when they're going to 725 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,919 Speaker 1: draft someone, don't you think to groom he is. He 726 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:27,759 Speaker 1: is basically running the border of the Dalton scale, which 727 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 1: is we now know is not a great thing to 728 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 1: be doing in the NFL. At least it means you 729 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,840 Speaker 1: have your you have a job, but it's not necessarily 730 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 1: a great spot before we get out of here. We 731 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 1: will be back. I think we'll be back next week shows. 732 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,439 Speaker 1: We'll be back on Monday. We'll we will be doing 733 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 1: three shows a week throughout the off season. So while 734 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,359 Speaker 1: other people might slow it down a little bit right now, 735 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,919 Speaker 1: the A T L Crew pedal to the metal, we're 736 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 1: continually straight through the off season giving you hard hitting 737 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,719 Speaker 1: football analysis. I have a WES. I have a couple 738 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,520 Speaker 1: of questions. Number One, we bring back When West's Toaster 739 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 1: next week? Absolutely find time to do it. I think 740 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 1: it's time for the challenge. This would be the gold 741 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 1: standards first exercise with When West's Toaster. I hope he 742 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,319 Speaker 1: understands in terms of production, uh, in terms of the 743 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 1: responsibilities finding locating contestants, screening them properly, getting the phone 744 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,080 Speaker 1: call logistics straight. There's a lot of pressure on you here. 745 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,359 Speaker 1: I'm on it. In the words of Bart Scott can't wait, 746 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 1: wove it. I now have people in my life, friends, 747 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,960 Speaker 1: family members who have listened to the show and they 748 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,160 Speaker 1: now want to challenge me for the toaster. M that's interesting. 749 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:39,640 Speaker 1: So why don't we on Twitter tweet at us hashtag 750 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 1: it um should we do? W W T when West's toaster. 751 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,480 Speaker 1: That makes sense right sure? And uh, if you're interested 752 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,280 Speaker 1: in taking west On and the gold Standard will handle 753 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,279 Speaker 1: finding a couple of contestants, so we'll do that next 754 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:57,359 Speaker 1: week and also west. One other bit of housekeeping, what's 755 00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,320 Speaker 1: going on with the map situation. If you found a 756 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 1: cartography store I have, I have a map coming. This 757 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 1: has kind of been put on hold while we had 758 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,359 Speaker 1: our Super Bowl activities, me traveling to Ohio for a week. 759 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,520 Speaker 1: But it's now the time of the year where my 760 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:15,520 Speaker 1: spreadsheet is going to be converted from a spreadsheet into 761 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 1: tax that are on the map to represent all of 762 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 1: these different places that people are from. And we will 763 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 1: have a picture of it up here in the studio 764 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,919 Speaker 1: sixty six that we will tweet out, Well, how big 765 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 1: is this map going to be? By the way, it's 766 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:33,719 Speaker 1: gonna be, uh poster size. I like that, Well, it 767 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 1: has to be. What were you thinking, cereal box size? 768 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 1: I was thinking, we've got right here. I feel like 769 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,800 Speaker 1: works right. Well, I'm giving some thought to buying a 770 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 1: world map and also a map of the United Kingdom. 771 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, you need every village and township 772 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,719 Speaker 1: in Great Britain to that's why. Yeah, we can't have 773 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,319 Speaker 1: a crude map that just has the country. We need 774 00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 1: the town's this. I'm thinking I've never purchase the map, 775 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:04,160 Speaker 1: but I'm thinking this would probably cost about four U S. Dollars. 776 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 1: I have no idea, but to have a map with 777 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,799 Speaker 1: that kind of detail. We're gonna do our best, and 778 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,800 Speaker 1: I don't want to leave out like the Channel Islands 779 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:13,719 Speaker 1: or Guernsey or something like that. We're gonna have to 780 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:18,920 Speaker 1: have all the right all right, Good, so you're on 781 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,719 Speaker 1: top of it. West, So in terms of a timetables, 782 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,680 Speaker 1: is something I'll be done by the end of February. Good. 783 00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:28,160 Speaker 1: I'm excited. I'll give you that pledge. All right, that's it. 784 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:32,040 Speaker 1: Greg will be back on Monday. Uh, perhaps we all will. 785 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,120 Speaker 1: You know, during the off season, one of us might 786 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 1: not be around for certain shows, but we'll keep the 787 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,000 Speaker 1: shows coming. We'll have some guests that jump on throughout 788 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,279 Speaker 1: the off season. It's gonna be fun. I'm excited about 789 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,600 Speaker 1: the off season. I know you're excited because games are 790 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,160 Speaker 1: over and you're not really into football games. It's true. 791 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,000 Speaker 1: It's one of those things a lot of people don't know. 792 00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:50,920 Speaker 1: I've never actually watched a game. Yeah, but you did 793 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,560 Speaker 1: a nice job covering now, thank you very much. All Right, 794 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,360 Speaker 1: until Monday is Dan Hansas signing up for the Mailman, 795 00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 1: the Sizzler, the gold Standard. Until Monday. There's a darkness 796 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,840 Speaker 1: in side and I can't shake it.