Speaker 1: Welcome in. We'll drive in the great episode three eighty eight.
Speaker 1: As we get to week ten, I can't believe it.
Speaker 1: Week ten in the NFL, as we react to the
Speaker 1: trade deadline and a little bit of NBA as well
Speaker 1: as the Lakers kept us up quite late last night,
Speaker 1: and Luca reminded everyone more on this than just a
Speaker 1: second that Wimby might be coming. But he's not quite
Speaker 1: there yet. And we will, in fact, you know what
Speaker 1: we will before we get to trade deadline. We're gonna
Speaker 1: do a little bit on the Lakers in the Spurs.
Speaker 1: But this episode of the show is brought to you
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Speaker 1: straight to voicemail, brought to you by boost Mobile. Zion
Speaker 1: out seven to ten days with a hamstring injury. At
Speaker 1: this point, let's just do send in the Zion for
Speaker 1: Joh trade. Jos lost his joy. The Grizzlies are a mess.
Speaker 1: The Pelicans are a mess, like they were one two
Speaker 1: in a draft. Just see if that fixes anything for
Speaker 1: either one of these guys. I have two. Which of
Speaker 1: my fake Joh trades do you like more? My three
Speaker 1: team maligned Southeastern point guard trade of John to Charlotte
Speaker 1: LaMelo to Atlanta trade of Memphis or joh for Zion?
Speaker 1: Straight up, which one do you like more?
Speaker 2: The first one? I think. I think the Pelicans probably
Speaker 2: want Zion more than they want Jah turning a corner.
Speaker 2: He's just kind of hamstring thing going on right now.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's turning the corner, except for the fact
Speaker 1: that he has now hurt again. I mean, and the
Speaker 1: Pelican drafted Derek Queen, who's a little redundant with Zion.
Speaker 1: I don't know those teams. Both teams are a mess
Speaker 1: for being totally honest. And this is if I didn't
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Speaker 1: Lakers get a great win last night against the Spurs.
Speaker 1: So let's just talk about that for a second. Luca's
Speaker 1: been absolutely historically great in the games he's played. Only
Speaker 1: Wilt has ever scored more points through the opening five
Speaker 1: games of a season, and he did it twice. Then
Speaker 1: Luca's even two hundred through the first five games this year.
Speaker 1: And the listen, the Spurs have been excellent, and I
Speaker 1: understand the Spurs are dealing with injuries of their own.
Speaker 1: But it is hard not to look at the Lakers
Speaker 1: with no Lebron, with Austin having missed time, and obviously
Speaker 1: Luca's missed some time as well, sitting at seven and
Speaker 1: two alone in second place in the Eastern Conference, only
Speaker 1: behind the Thunder and obviously I shouldn't say obviously and
Speaker 1: shockingly the Chicago Bulls for overall record in the NBA.
Speaker 1: But it's very hard to look at Luca doing what
Speaker 1: he's doing and the Lakers sitting at seven and two,
Speaker 1: and then not also look at the Mavericks doing what
Speaker 1: they're doing, sitting in dead last in the Western Conference
Speaker 1: at two and six, and not revisit what is will
Speaker 1: go down in history as one of the most inexplicable, indefensible,
Speaker 1: unforced errors a franchise has ever made. And I know
Speaker 1: there was a very brief moment when people were like, well,
Speaker 1: now that they've gotten Cooper Flag, maybe it all works out. Demons.
Speaker 1: I'm here to tell you if Nico Harrison today called
Speaker 1: up Rob Bolenka and said we will trade you Anthony
Speaker 1: Davis and Cooper Flag for Luka Doncic, they would say, no,
Speaker 1: that is and the how good is Luca. Really, conversation
Speaker 1: that was briefly had last year was categorically insane from
Speaker 1: start to finish, and up to this moment of the season,
Speaker 1: he's been either the best or the second best player
Speaker 1: in the sport. Giannis is playing at a just incomprehensible
Speaker 1: level and Luca has missed time. But Luca giving you
Speaker 1: a nice tidy forty eleven and nine on fifty percent shooting,
Speaker 1: despite shooting thirty percent from three, has just been not
Speaker 1: shocking because you know how good he is, but remarkable
Speaker 1: and it's why you know a lot of people This
Speaker 1: isn't me picking on Bill, but Bill probably the most
Speaker 1: noteworthy of the folks that coming into the year, we're
Speaker 1: just totally, unabashedly, unequivocally writing the Lakers off as having
Speaker 1: any chance, any chance to be a real contender. And
Speaker 1: the reason that struck me as a little myopic was, Man,
Speaker 1: if you had all of NBA history tells us, if
Speaker 1: you have a clear cut top three guy, unless the
Speaker 1: team is just in total shambles around him, you're at
Speaker 1: least contender adjacent. And Luca has been a clear cut
Speaker 1: top three guy. Obviously, again, the honest has been great
Speaker 1: Shay has been unbelievable, and the thunder losing last night's
Speaker 1: shocking because it's shocking that they lose. That team is
Speaker 1: going to win seventy games if they want to. But
Speaker 1: the Lakers surviving this stretch of no Lebron, Luca in
Speaker 1: and out of the lineup, beating the Spurs who have
Speaker 1: been red hot, and now say it again like yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean and Reeves obviously playing great. And now if
Speaker 1: you're the Lakers, I don't know when Lebron's coming back.
Speaker 1: But over the next two weeks you have Atlanta, Charlotte, OKC, Brutal,
Speaker 1: New Orleans, Milwalk that's a road trip, and then Utah Utah.
Speaker 1: So you've got seven games over the next two and
Speaker 1: a half weeks, all of them on the road, except
Speaker 1: for one game against Utah before you start a homestand
Speaker 1: which is maybe where they would hope Lebron could come back.
Speaker 1: And the expectation should be to go five and two
Speaker 1: in that seven game stretch, at the very least four
Speaker 1: and three and be eleven and five, twelve and four
Speaker 1: through the first month and a half of the season,
Speaker 1: well really the first month of the season, which would
Speaker 1: be phenomenal and so Luca's just playing out of his mind,
Speaker 1: just absolutely out of his mind. And Austin, when Luca
Speaker 1: wasn't there, was playing out of his mind, and you
Speaker 1: thought I was gonna skip it. Demonse, credit where it's due.
Speaker 2: Minutes last night.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I'm not talking, Bronnie. I'm talking. I'm talking.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's fair to call him your
Speaker 1: guy guy.
Speaker 2: Dere Yeah, dominating. He showed up last night. He's been good.
Speaker 1: He was really rough very early on, but twenty two
Speaker 1: and ten last night when they were super shorthanded, twenty
Speaker 1: nine and ten against the Blazers. The no, he's been
Speaker 1: he's he's played well for him, and so fair is fair.
Speaker 1: Credit to Blinka, a lot of credit to JJ Reddick
Speaker 1: who has this team ready to play every night, and
Speaker 1: Jake la Ravia has done well. They're legit. They're legit
Speaker 1: seven and two beating the Spurs, uh without Austin Reeves
Speaker 1: and obviously no lebron And they did try to blow
Speaker 1: it at the end, but whatever, like that's the way,
Speaker 1: you know, not at all now. I didn't. I didn't
Speaker 1: write them off because of the respect for Luca and
Speaker 1: because I felt like when Lebron comes back, they'll still
Speaker 1: be one of the only teams in the league with
Speaker 1: two top ten guys, because that's what we'll see what
Speaker 1: Lebron is this year. But last year he was a
Speaker 1: clear top eight guy. But no, I didn't think they'd
Speaker 1: be able to handle Lebron missing the first ten games,
Speaker 1: plus Austin being out of the lineup some, Luca being
Speaker 1: out of the lineup some, and I mean they've been
Speaker 1: they've been excellent. So credit to the Lakers. All right,
Speaker 1: let's get to the trade line.
Speaker 2: Super big, super busy trade deadline yesterday, and a lot
Speaker 2: of it formulated around the Jets getting rid of players
Speaker 2: because they can't do anything, trading over to Dallas and Indianapolis.
Speaker 2: Which team would you like to start with first?
Speaker 1: I want to start with the Cowboys, Okay, so yeah,
Speaker 1: go ahead.
Speaker 2: After trading for Logan Wilson, Dallas followed up by trading
Speaker 2: a Hall first in a second, I believe for Quinn Williams. Yep,
Speaker 2: Jerry Jones is talking about how he wants to win
Speaker 2: now because of his age. Doesn't kind of seem like
Speaker 2: their season is already over.
Speaker 1: Well, their seasons definitely already over, And I explained this
Speaker 1: in short form on TV, but I am going to
Speaker 1: lay it out further here. They barely barely got more
Speaker 1: for Micah Parsons than they traded away for Quinn Williams.
Speaker 1: So let's do the actual accounting of what the Cowboys
Speaker 1: got for Micah Parsons. Okay, they got the next two
Speaker 1: Packer first round picks, which we obviously don't know what
Speaker 1: picks those will be. But this year, the Packers right
Speaker 1: now have the twenty fourth pick of the draft. It
Speaker 1: would you know, it could go up if they go
Speaker 1: on a real playoff run. It could go down if
Speaker 1: they get bounced in round one, but that's what they have.
Speaker 1: And then next year's Packers' first round pick, and they
Speaker 1: got Kenny Clark more on him in a moment. For
Speaker 1: quinnn Williams, they traded away their own second round pick,
Speaker 1: which right now would be the forty sixth pick of
Speaker 1: the draft. So again in the Ka trade and quinnin trade,
Speaker 1: they received what would be the twenty fourth pick and
Speaker 1: sent out what would be the forty sixth pick, so
Speaker 1: a twenty two pick jump. Will see how those move,
Speaker 1: but that's a good framework, and then they will be
Speaker 1: sending out whatever is the better pick between their own
Speaker 1: first after next season and the Packers first after next season.
Speaker 1: So there is no chance whatsoever none that for the
Speaker 1: twenty twenty seven first rounder that they receive a better
Speaker 1: pick from the Packers than they give to the Jets,
Speaker 1: because whatever the better pick is, they give to the Jets.
Speaker 1: And then you add to it that, because you have
Speaker 1: traded for Quinn Williams and signed Oshia Digazua to an extension,
Speaker 1: you almost assuredly are this offseason cutting Kenny Clark. The
Speaker 1: best case scenario for the Cowboys is the different in
Speaker 1: draft compensation they gave up for Quinn Williams compared to
Speaker 1: what they received for Micah Parsons is the equivalent of
Speaker 1: about a third round pick. And the worst case scenario
Speaker 1: is they actually ended up giving up more for Quinn
Speaker 1: Williams than they received for Micah Parsons. And you might say,
Speaker 1: how could that be, Well, here's how it could be.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys in up drafting tenth in this year's draft,
Speaker 1: so that'd be second round pick forty two. The Packers
Speaker 1: make it forget even win the Super Bowl, make it
Speaker 1: to the conference championship game, they give up, so they
Speaker 1: give to Dallas' first round pick twenty nine, so that's
Speaker 1: a thirteen pick delta. Next year, the Packers make it
Speaker 1: back to the conference championship game, they give Dallas the
Speaker 1: twenty ninth pick again, and next year Dak Prescott gets hurt.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys have a year from hell and they end
Speaker 1: up getting or hell. They just have the same year
Speaker 1: they had this year where Dak doesn't get hurt and
Speaker 1: they but they have a bad year. They have the
Speaker 1: tenth pick of that draft and they give that pick
Speaker 1: to the Jets. It is absolutely on the board. What
Speaker 1: they receive from Green Bay are two picks in the
Speaker 1: late twenties, and what they give to the Jets is
Speaker 1: a pick in the low forties and a pick in
Speaker 1: the teams, which is when you are sending out a
Speaker 1: more valuable younger player. Just totally unacceptable. I understand quinnin
Speaker 1: is cheaper than Micah, but that is not enough to
Speaker 1: offset the difference in value of the players impact on
Speaker 1: the field. And so this Cowboys move, even if Quinn
Speaker 1: Williams is really good and I think he is, is
Speaker 1: as baffling of an NFL trade as you'll see for years,
Speaker 1: and it totally goes against demons. Jerry's whole take, which
Speaker 1: was trading.
Speaker 2: Micah defense stop the run.
Speaker 1: Well, no, no, no, stop the run part of it. It
Speaker 1: does work because cornewilliams better at that than Micah, but
Speaker 1: he kept saying, we'll be able to get three or
Speaker 1: four players. You got two extra picks for Micah, you
Speaker 1: gave two extra picks up for Quinnen. And again that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys agreeing to send the better of the two
Speaker 1: picks they have in the twenty twenty seven draft is
Speaker 1: unfathomable because here's the other piece of it. Let's say
Speaker 1: Jordan Love a year from now gets hurt and the
Speaker 1: Packers fall off a cliff in a very difficult NFC North,
Speaker 1: and the Packers have the sixth pick of the draft
Speaker 1: two years from now. You don't get that now. That
Speaker 1: goes to the Jets.
Speaker 2: So it's right in line with everything else that's been
Speaker 2: going on with the Cowboys and Jerry. It makes sense.
Speaker 2: It doesn't make sense for it makes sense for Jerry
Speaker 2: to be doing it.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's just awful business. Now the Colts piece of
Speaker 1: it is more understandable, but somehow even riskier. So go ahead.
Speaker 2: The Colts are seeming to go all in on Daniel Jones.
Speaker 2: They traded two first rounders to get Sauce Gardner. Do
Speaker 2: you think that this is a little bit too earlier
Speaker 2: for them?
Speaker 1: I I respect the guts, and unlike the Dallas move,
Speaker 1: you at least see the logic of it. The logic
Speaker 1: of it is, we have our quarterback, we like our team,
Speaker 1: We are trying to win right now, Let's add a
Speaker 1: blue chip player, which Sauce has been at the first
Speaker 1: two years of his career. He has not been the
Speaker 1: last year and a half. But you know, you know,
Speaker 1: he's young, and he's on a cost control deal. You
Speaker 1: believe they obviously believe you can get back to it.
Speaker 1: So that's the logic of it. It is the exact
Speaker 1: same logic that led to the Dolphins trading for Tyreek,
Speaker 1: that led to the Packers trading for Micah. We we
Speaker 1: love our team, think adding one more piece can put
Speaker 1: us over the top. Oh, I understand it. I think
Speaker 1: it's one of the riskiest moves I have seen a
Speaker 1: team make in ten years. So here are the circumstances
Speaker 1: over the last decade. Demonse that teams have traded away
Speaker 1: multiple first round picks for a player not during the draft,
Speaker 1: but for an established player. The Chicago Bears traded two
Speaker 1: first round picks for Khalil Mack. They did that one
Speaker 1: year after spending the second pick of the draft on
Speaker 1: Mitch Krubisky. They were wrong, but they thought, we've got
Speaker 1: our quarterback. Let's go add to the defense. The Rams
Speaker 1: traded two first round picks away for Jalen Ramsey. They
Speaker 1: did that month's removed from going to the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: with golf. They said, we've got our quarterback, let's add
Speaker 1: to the defense. Again. They ended up souring on that quarterback,
Speaker 1: but they believed they had the quarterback. The Jets, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: The Seahawks traded away two first round picks for Jamal
Speaker 1: Adams in twenty twenty. They believed Russell's you know we're
Speaker 1: gonna be our quarterback long term. Let's go at another
Speaker 1: piece again. That trade was a catastrophe, but they had
Speaker 1: real reason to believe their quarterback was in place. Obviously,
Speaker 1: The Packers traded away two first rounders for Micah and
Speaker 1: I might be leaving one out for the Colts to
Speaker 1: be doing this, not only when it's just been a
Speaker 1: half season of good Daniel Jones but and this part's
Speaker 1: important to manse. They don't even have Daniel Jones locked
Speaker 1: up on a contract is stunning.
Speaker 2: I mean the Bears go ahead, I mean Daniel, like
Speaker 2: Daniel could leave or something or leave them high and
Speaker 2: dry or no.
Speaker 1: But they are now over a barrel on back.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's because when it comes time, cap space is
Speaker 2: already too high.
Speaker 1: That's fair well, and it's it's the it's how are
Speaker 1: you going to replace me? You don't have a first
Speaker 1: round pick this year or next year, and the franchise
Speaker 1: tag number is forty six million dollars.
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones, I guess strikes me as a team friendly
Speaker 2: type of guy.
Speaker 1: I buddy, he already got four years one sixty from
Speaker 1: the Giants when they were in this situation. I don't know,
Speaker 1: know like.
Speaker 2: The he.
Speaker 1: The Colts have put themselves in a position now where
Speaker 1: Daniel is gonna get all call my shout on it
Speaker 1: right now, four years, one hundred and eighty million dollars
Speaker 1: forty five million dollars a year. And the other piece
Speaker 1: of it that is wildly risky if you're the Colts,
Speaker 1: is they even if you believe Daniel Jones is just good,
Speaker 1: bad circumstances, bad luck, bad coaching with the Giants. Dating
Speaker 1: back to his last year of college, there has been
Speaker 1: one season he was fully healthy. So you are putting
Speaker 1: all in college, he broke his collar bone. In the pros,
Speaker 1: he's torn his acl out, a neck injury, an ankle
Speaker 1: out of hamstring. You are putting all your eggs in
Speaker 1: this basket in a way that is stunning to me. Stunning.
Speaker 1: They have painted themselves in a corner where yep, we
Speaker 1: saw eight good games from Daniel Jones. I know they've
Speaker 1: played nine, but the last one was awful. Eight good
Speaker 1: games from Daniel Jones, and now we are gonna remove
Speaker 1: any ability we have to pivot at that position. And
Speaker 1: it's gutsy, it is. It's a real go all in move.
Speaker 1: I just wonder how it's gonna feel if this season
Speaker 1: ends with them hosting a wild card playoff game against
Speaker 1: the Patriots and getting beat and they're one and done
Speaker 1: and it's like, Okay, this is just our team now.
Speaker 1: Like I wouldn't have done it. I also think it
Speaker 1: is fair to ask, is that too much to pay
Speaker 1: for anything? Yeah? For any well, for any corner, pis
Speaker 1: a lot it and so like would it shock anyone.
Speaker 1: Here's the question I would have because when the Packers
Speaker 1: traded for Micah, it was it would have shocked people.
Speaker 1: If the Packers this year ended up with the ninth
Speaker 1: pick of the draft, right like, that would have been stunning,
Speaker 1: Right would it shock? Would it be shocking if next
Speaker 1: year at this moment the culture three and six? Would
Speaker 1: that shock people? Wouldn't shock me? And so it is
Speaker 1: Their past defense was bad. Lou Ana Arumo now has
Speaker 1: a great that probably the best corner he's ever had
Speaker 1: since he's been a coordinator. It's a hell of a move,
Speaker 1: but it would have been too rich for my blood.
Speaker 1: That's the thing. The Cowboys and the Colts making moves
Speaker 1: that I think would have been insane for the Chiefs
Speaker 1: or the Bills to make. Is something else. All right,
Speaker 1: let's get to the other side of.
Speaker 2: These the Jets. They now have five first round picks
Speaker 2: over the next two years, so surely they can't mess
Speaker 2: this up, right they They're probably gonna get it on
Speaker 2: the track.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, this is the exact situation they found
Speaker 1: themselves in which got him Quinnin and Sauce and Garrett
Speaker 1: Wilson and then they you know, they're now full blown,
Speaker 1: blown it up.
Speaker 2: Just got to get the quarterback, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I respect the Jets recognizing we are nowhere
Speaker 1: close and by the time we get close, Quinnin is
Speaker 1: probably out of his prime. Right he turns twenty eight
Speaker 1: here in a couple of weeks and sauce, I'm sure
Speaker 1: they wanted to keep but too first is just too
Speaker 1: rich of a price, particularly when it's too first from
Speaker 1: again from a team that's not like an established, every
Speaker 1: year good team. And so now, yeah, you've got a
Speaker 1: draft smart And if I'm the Jets, i am potentially
Speaker 1: in this year's draft, I'm open for business as well.
Speaker 1: I might move down there's not a quarterback I love.
Speaker 1: I might be willing to trade my own pick, which
Speaker 1: could be you know, the first, second, third, fourth pick
Speaker 1: of the draft, for even more draft capital and try
Speaker 1: to full on fully rebuild the team. It is good process.
Speaker 1: They just have to hit on these players. And I
Speaker 1: understand people can say, oh, the draft's a crap shoot.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing it, Yes, the draft is a crap shoot.
Speaker 1: But the fact of the matter is this, if you
Speaker 1: have a no doubt franchise quarterback on your team, unless
Speaker 1: your team unless your quarterback's name is Dak Prescott or
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts. That quarterback was taken in round one. Every
Speaker 1: people can talk all this stuff about, oh, well you
Speaker 1: can find quarterbacks anywhere. No, every single team that has
Speaker 1: the no doubt franchise quarterback, that quarterback was a first
Speaker 1: round pick except for Dak and Jail. That's it. Like,
Speaker 1: who are the no doubt franchise quarterbacks? They were first
Speaker 1: round picks. So the Jets acquiring a bunch of first
Speaker 1: round picks for a team that hasn't been able to
Speaker 1: get quarterback right is obviously something they need to do.
Speaker 1: And so I I don't begrudge it, begrudge them that
Speaker 1: I do feel badly for their fans because it's just
Speaker 1: perpetual rebuild too.
Speaker 2: Man, Like we just gave away everybody because you're trash.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean we'll feel I mean, Fields isn't
Speaker 1: the guy. I mean, just he isn't the guy? What's
Speaker 1: the point?
Speaker 2: Like? Feels how bad for that? I like justin Fields? Oh,
Speaker 2: but Kansas City, they were trying to trade a fourth
Speaker 2: for Breese Hall. The Jets wanted a third. Are you
Speaker 2: surprised that they couldn't get anything?
Speaker 1: Done there no listen, I trading a third round pick
Speaker 1: for eight games of Breese Hall and then he walks
Speaker 1: in free agency would have been bad process. I and
Speaker 1: I think the Chief the Chiefs offense is gonna be fine.
Speaker 1: They need the offensive lineman back, and the offense is
Speaker 1: gonna be great. I'm not worried about the offense. I
Speaker 1: would have liked them to try to trade for a
Speaker 1: pass rusher. I thought what Philly did in adding Jail
Speaker 1: and Phillips was good, but you know that is I
Speaker 1: am I And I also, if I were Veach, I
Speaker 1: probably would have also held my ground because it's like, really, Jets,
Speaker 1: you're gonna after trading away Sauce and quinnin, you're gonna
Speaker 1: hold on to a running back who you're just gonna
Speaker 1: let walk in free agency? And the the Jets were like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we are. But I would have also, I would have
Speaker 1: played that game of chicken. I'm surprised the Jets didn't
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Speaker 2: All right, Creams are the crop in the NFC. Are
Speaker 2: going aad to head in Philly and green Bay. The
Speaker 2: Packers are coming off a weird loss of the Panthers
Speaker 2: and Philly's coming off of bye What are you expecting
Speaker 2: in this game?
Speaker 1: So here, listen. I am I give Philly credit for
Speaker 1: being you know, aggressive around the edges in free agents.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry at the trade deadline and not making a
Speaker 1: drastic move of trading AJ Brown. I didn't think that
Speaker 1: was zero percent. I thought there was a chance. And
Speaker 1: the fact of the matter is they would have been
Speaker 1: a worst team without AJ Brown and they're trying to
Speaker 1: defend their Super Bowl. Now. Do I think they could
Speaker 1: revisit that trade this offseason, depending on how the rest
Speaker 1: of the year goes. Sure, but I think it was
Speaker 1: good for them to staanm pat. This is a huge
Speaker 1: spot for green Bay and oddly not that big of
Speaker 1: a spot for Philly. And here's what I mean. Because
Speaker 1: of Jaden's injury and the Commanders just being bad and
Speaker 1: the Cowboys being three to five and one, Philly is
Speaker 1: more than more than the Colts, even the lock to
Speaker 1: win that division. There is no team right now in
Speaker 1: the entire NFL that is more guaranteed to win their
Speaker 1: division than Philadelphia, So now they of course would love
Speaker 1: the one seed, and the NFC they have a real
Speaker 1: shot at the one seed because you've got to think demons.
Speaker 1: The NFC West teams are gonna beat each other up
Speaker 1: a bit in divisional games, with Seattle, the Rams, and
Speaker 1: the Niners all having six wins, and the NFC North
Speaker 1: teams are gonna beat each other up a bit in
Speaker 1: the division, with Green Bay, Detroit, and Chicago all having
Speaker 1: five wins and Minnesota sitting there with four. So you'd
Speaker 1: have to anticipate that the one seed at this point
Speaker 1: is either gonna be Philly or Tampa. And Philly obviously
Speaker 1: beat Tampa, so they have the head dead Tibreger. So
Speaker 1: Philly is really well positioned, which is why this game
Speaker 1: is not critical for them. But they are coming off
Speaker 1: a bye and I'm sure they want to see, are they,
Speaker 1: you know, is Saquon going to Was Week eight for
Speaker 1: Saquon a return to form or was it a bit
Speaker 1: of a you know, was it a blip in what's
Speaker 1: going to be a tough year. Green Bay on the
Speaker 1: other hand, their margin for error is evaporating. They're currently
Speaker 1: leading the NFC North, but barely. And there is absolutely
Speaker 1: a world that exists where if green Bay loses this game,
Speaker 1: they wake up, what is this Monday night? Tuesday more?
Speaker 1: I think it's the Monday night game? Am I right?
Speaker 1: You guys tell me I don't even remember whatever. They
Speaker 1: wake up next week Tuesday morning, and they are on
Speaker 1: the outside looking in of the playoff picture. They could
Speaker 1: be the eight seed come Tuesday if they lose this game.
Speaker 1: And if you look at their schedule, pal they only
Speaker 1: have one soft spot left at the Giants, but they
Speaker 1: play Philly, then they're at the Giants. They have five
Speaker 1: divisional games left, both games against Minnesota, both games against
Speaker 1: Chicago at Detroit, and then the non divisional games are
Speaker 1: at Denver and home for Baltimore. So I still think
Speaker 1: green Bay has super high upside, But you lose this game,
Speaker 1: you know there's going to be potentially a really good
Speaker 1: NFC team left without a chair, and I don't think
Speaker 1: that's gonna be green Bay. And green Bay again, like
Speaker 1: that win against Detroit to start the year looms really
Speaker 1: large in how we view them. Them dominating the Commanders
Speaker 1: that next Thursday when they did have Jaden is significant
Speaker 1: and they you know, that was a really good win
Speaker 1: they had over the Steelers, but losing to the Browns,
Speaker 1: blowing that game against Carolina and tying the Cowboys right
Speaker 1: now puts them in a precarious spot. So this is
Speaker 1: a big game for green Bay, big enough game that
Speaker 1: I I thought long and hard about it for our
Speaker 1: pick show, which people will here here tomorrow. We'll get
Speaker 1: to that later. But there's a big spot for green Bay.
Speaker 1: And I wouldn't want to be facing Philly off a bye.
Speaker 1: A healthy Eagles team off of bye makes me a lot.
Speaker 2: Last time George loves seeing the Eagles wasn't so good either,
Speaker 2: might have had his most mistakes in recent memory.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, And and so yeah, it's a huge spot.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get to Rams Niners.
Speaker 2: Rams and Niners are facing off this weekend, and this
Speaker 2: kid have huge implications on the playoff bracket. We still
Speaker 2: don't know who the quarterback is for San Francisco long term,
Speaker 2: but Shanahan says that as long as Perty's good, it's
Speaker 2: going to be him who has more to lose or
Speaker 2: more to prove in this game between the Rams and Niners.
Speaker 1: Well, listen the so Shanahan's been very adamant. Party's their guy,
Speaker 1: and that's fine. I don't listen. I don't think Mac
Speaker 1: Jones is better than Party. I just don't think perty's
Speaker 1: fifty four million dollars a year better than Mac Jones
Speaker 1: and so, and I think Mac is kind of proving
Speaker 1: that week in week out, and I think Shanahan has
Speaker 1: done a brilliant job this season. Here's what I'll say
Speaker 1: about the Niners. If they win this game, they are
Speaker 1: going to make the playoffs. You win this game, you
Speaker 1: get to seven and three, and they still have games
Speaker 1: left against the Cardinals, the Browns, and the Titans. They're
Speaker 1: you know, that's obviously not all their games. They have Panthers,
Speaker 1: which is not an easy spot. Bears Seahawks is also
Speaker 1: on their schedule. But if they can get to seven
Speaker 1: and three by beating the Rams, you just beat the
Speaker 1: bad teams on your schedule. You get to ten, get
Speaker 1: one more win against the the they have Panthers, Colts, Bears,
Speaker 1: Seahawks or the winning record teams on their schedule, you're
Speaker 1: gonna be eleven wins. So this is for the Niners.
Speaker 1: It would be pretty remarkable giving their injuries. Start seven
Speaker 1: to three. My concern for the Niners is they are
Speaker 1: They just keep pressing the Christian McCaffrey button again and
Speaker 1: again and again, and I worry about his ability to
Speaker 1: hold up over the course of the entire season. The Rams,
Speaker 1: on the other hand, listen, right now this moment, Matt
Speaker 1: Stafford's probably the NFL MVP, and they've just been awesome.
Speaker 1: They absolutely can win the Super Bowl. With that said
Speaker 1: there that is you lose this game, you probably heading
Speaker 1: a week eleven in third place in your own division
Speaker 1: because Seattle's legit. Seattle is legit and so and the
Speaker 1: Niners will have just beaten you. So I do like
Speaker 1: the Rams in this spot, and I think the Rams
Speaker 1: are a legit contender no matter what happens here. To me,
Speaker 1: this game is more about if the Niners can steal
Speaker 1: it at home, and we know there's the whole Shanahan McVeigh,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of coaching rivalry, then it all but
Speaker 1: stamps the Niners playoff ticket. Hey guys, it is the
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Speaker 2: The six and two Seahawks that lead their division made
Speaker 2: a move in the trade deadline, trading for Rashid wide receiver.
Speaker 2: Rashid Chi e JSM leads the NFL in reception yards,
Speaker 2: but outside him, nobody on Seattle has three hundred plus yards.
Speaker 2: You said Seattle could be the one seed and they
Speaker 2: were also near the top of tiers. What does this
Speaker 2: do for them? Where they at now?
Speaker 1: Listen? I think Seattle's legit. Yeah, I Darnald is now
Speaker 1: on like twenty five games of just being a high
Speaker 1: level quarterback, I understand, and the playoff game was brutal
Speaker 1: for him. Mike McDonald's been awesome, the defense has been awesome.
Speaker 1: JSN is right now the first team All Pro wide receiver, right.
Speaker 1: I think Rashid Shaheed is really good, and so Seattle.
Speaker 1: I am, you know, more than penciling Seattle in for
Speaker 1: the playoffs, but I'm really they have four awesome games remaining,
Speaker 1: both games against the Rams, a home game against the Colts,
Speaker 1: and Week eighteen at the Niners, which Seattle could be
Speaker 1: playing for the division or as I said, playing for
Speaker 1: the one seed, the Niners could be playing to make
Speaker 1: the playoffs. I mean, Seattle has been just flatly an
Speaker 1: outstanding team this year and they have two losses. One
Speaker 1: they led the Niners late. Purty has a touchdown drive
Speaker 1: in the waning moments to give the Niners a four
Speaker 1: point lead. In Week one, Darnald Answers right back, gets
Speaker 1: the Seahawks in the red zone and then fumbles. That's
Speaker 1: one of their losses. And their other loss was a
Speaker 1: three point loss to Tampa. When how did trying to
Speaker 1: remember the beats of that game? I don't hold on
Speaker 1: how did they lose to Tampa. I think it was
Speaker 1: last second it was a last second field goal, but
Speaker 1: it was Oh, that's what it was. So this was
Speaker 1: it was a Baker but it was a crazy circumstance.
Speaker 1: It wasn't really a Baker drive. Baker had a drive.
Speaker 1: This is how that game went. That game was crazy.
Speaker 1: In the fourth quarter, it's twenty eight to twenty eight.
Speaker 1: Donald Leaves leads a ninety nine yard touchdown drive to
Speaker 1: go up thirty five twenty eight. Baker enters back with
Speaker 1: a five place, seventy yard drive to tie the game
Speaker 1: with a minute eight left, thirty five thirty five. They
Speaker 1: then picked Donald off and then got a field goal
Speaker 1: at the gun. So the one of the Seahawks losses
Speaker 1: was Week one by four points. The other one they're
Speaker 1: up seven with ninety seconds left and lost in regulation. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, they've been just a legit excellent team all year.
Speaker 1: They haven't had the toughest of competition up to this point.
Speaker 1: Beat the Steelers in Week two and then Saints, Cards, Jags, Texans, Commanders.
Speaker 1: But I believe it. I believe in the Seahawks. And
Speaker 1: you know, one of my picks this past week was
Speaker 1: Seattle minus three on Sunday Night Football. They were up
Speaker 1: twenty eight to nothing in that game.
Speaker 2: You're sticking with them in the playoffs, even with Dornald.
Speaker 2: That doesn't well make you think any type of way.
Speaker 1: Or I mean, I'll be a little anxious until you
Speaker 1: see a guy play well in the playoffs, you're gonna
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Speaker 1: All right, Demons, let's go to Kyler before we get
Speaker 1: to listener questions.
Speaker 2: Since we talked about him on Tuesday, he's been benched
Speaker 2: Arizona Naambriussett as their guy. You said Kyler would never
Speaker 2: play for Arizona again. With that said, is this a
Speaker 2: Kyler problem or is this a Cardinal problem?
Speaker 1: Probably a little bit of both. Okay, but Kyler's not
Speaker 1: the guy. Kyler's new you can't be. I mean, just
Speaker 1: think about it, guys. We have heard plenty of story
Speaker 1: worries about his lack of leadership at that position. The
Speaker 1: team put in a work at the clause in his
Speaker 1: own contract and he's undersized and gets beat up. Like
Speaker 1: I that's not a recipe. And so the only way
Speaker 1: Demon's he plays for the Cardinals again is if at
Speaker 1: the end of the year they fire Gannon and the
Speaker 1: new head coach you know, is like, oh, I can
Speaker 1: fix it, but Jonathan Gannon can never go back to
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. That's done, and I would be looking if
Speaker 1: if Rogers retires. The Steelers are a real candidate. The
Speaker 1: Browns are always a candidate, The Jets are a candidate.
Speaker 1: The Raiders if they go full rebuild and want Kyler
Speaker 1: is a bridge. They're a candidate, but he's not going
Speaker 1: to be.
Speaker 2: On the royal.
Speaker 1: Oh he goes to baseball. No, I I don't see.
Speaker 1: I think that ship has sailed. He was a great
Speaker 1: baseball player, but I think that ship has sailed. And
Speaker 1: the Cardinals feel like you know that they the offense
Speaker 1: runs better with Jacobi.
Speaker 2: I mean you said it does.
Speaker 1: I mean, it just does. It just it just is
Speaker 1: what it is. All right, let's get to listener questions
Speaker 1: to Mansea.
Speaker 2: You honest tweeted tweeted this out yesterday. He I think,
Speaker 2: he said, as I said load of the tweet, random
Speaker 2: thoughts as I sit in my living room, do I
Speaker 2: have college eligibility? Can I suit up for Marquette tonight?
Speaker 2: And the question is how many points do you think
Speaker 2: that Giannis are dropping a college basketball game? Oh?
Speaker 1: I mean I think he'd average, you know, or shorter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they are short. I was gonna say like thirty eight,
Speaker 2: so it's probably thirty. No, No, he's.
Speaker 1: Gonna say forty. I mean he's averaging thirty four in
Speaker 1: the NBA, but the games are a lot like No,
Speaker 1: I think he averaged forty easy. Uh, I think he average.
Speaker 2: Four drive do drive double drive us?
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: Next Scott asked for next season, should the Jets ride
Speaker 2: out Justin Fields contract draft and start a rookie yar
Speaker 2: trade for Kyler?
Speaker 1: So I'm trying to see, uh, for Justin Fields? What
Speaker 1: if they cut him? They cut him, it's twenty two dead.
Speaker 1: I mean, they obviously can't just go into week one
Speaker 1: as Justin Fields their week one starter. Now, could he
Speaker 1: be the backup? Could if they do draft a guy,
Speaker 1: could they use Justin Fields as a bridge?
Speaker 2: Maybe?
Speaker 1: But I think that's probably done. I would again, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't trade for Kyler if I'm the Jets. The Jets
Speaker 1: have to find their quarterback. Yeah, all right.
Speaker 2: Next, a different Scott as, if it's Casey and Buffalo
Speaker 2: at the Ralph for the at THEFC check.
Speaker 1: On the stadium in Buffalo. Okay, you should be called
Speaker 1: Ralph Wilson Stadium. Now it's called like high Mark Field.
Speaker 1: But so that's uh yeah.
Speaker 2: So a different Scott asked if if it's Casey and
Speaker 2: Buffalo at the Ralph of the AFC Championship game, will
Speaker 2: you go to the game this time?
Speaker 1: I will not. I have no interest in that. I
Speaker 1: will absolutely not go to the game. All right, I
Speaker 1: have a really good feeling about our pick show. This week.
Speaker 1: I liked the games a lot. I liked him a lot.
Speaker 1: Last week I said I liked him a lot. Went
Speaker 1: three and two. So frustrating though, because I do the
Speaker 1: picks here pick five games, and then I picked three
Speaker 1: of the five games from here to do on TV.
Speaker 1: We went three and two, and two of the three
Speaker 1: games I picked were my two losses one and two
Speaker 1: on TV. Mpree into here, which is frustrating. So pic
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