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Speaker 4: Evan told me he has a lot of experience making

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Speaker 4: the turkey, really, which it's baffling to me that he

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Speaker 4: would be put in charge of something like that.

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Speaker 5: But one of them and Palix, you might help me

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Speaker 5: with a na latitis lativius or something like that. I

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Speaker 3: Marcus Jones textedt a VP said he could snap who's.

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Speaker 5: The other guy on the roster, like backup linemen that

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Speaker 5: has some center experience?

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Speaker 6: To Smith, that was I was.

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Speaker 5: I think I said, let's eat it.

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Speaker 3: The sharps know something in this game. I don't know

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Speaker 3: what it is. What's something.

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Speaker 6: You know somebody's gonna win.

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Speaker 4: It's hard to be ugly as a woman in twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty four because there's so many things you can do.

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Speaker 4: There's makeup, there's procedures like it's photox, like, I don't

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Speaker 4: know if you're not trying.

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Speaker 5: You're just not Have you given up? Honey?

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Speaker 3: How come then you only eat turkey one day a year?

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Speaker 7: Is your god?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 3: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here

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Speaker 3: at Gillette Stadium. It's bye week here, but we still

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Speaker 3: have a lot to talk about. We need to wrap

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Speaker 3: up Sunday's game. I would say a real it's one

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Speaker 3: that got away. Yeah, it's one that got away. They

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Speaker 3: had this. We talked about this on the post game show.

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Speaker 3: Paul Deuce, Evan'll be here, Matt's in the booth. They

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Speaker 3: could have taken control of the game in the first

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Speaker 3: half and they just didn't do it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, they were the better team I thought for

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Speaker 5: basically the entirety the sixty minutes. And you're right that

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Speaker 5: the two for six in the red zone inability to

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Speaker 5: maximize the scoring opportunities ultimately came back and bit them

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Speaker 5: at the end when they couldn't come up with a stop.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, the game was You're gonna go down to

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Speaker 5: they should have had at least a two score lead,

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Speaker 8: Yeah, so easy to break down. I feel like red

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Speaker 8: zone penalties, the last drive. Yeahah, those are the critical

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Speaker 8: just bugs me. I mean watching it yesterday again, watching

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Speaker 8: the field that Christianella said, we needed one guy to

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, there's been a lot of games

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Speaker 3: I wonder in Indianapolis if they're saying that, is that

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Speaker 5: And I don't think the Patriots played poorly. I just

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Speaker 5: I actually think the offense played the best game they've

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Speaker 3: That's why, that's the fact.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but I thought that like it it looked that

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Speaker 3: And I know that we're not blaming refs for the loss,

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Speaker 5: I thought he did hit him in the face. There's

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Speaker 5: They did what they did offensively. I just think the

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Speaker 5: I'll get your mail bag and i'll get you the

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Speaker 8: I think the phrase that popped into my head with

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Speaker 6: That's what it was like.

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Speaker 8: They had it for maybe a second, but they didn't

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Speaker 3: And I mean, so I know everyone's killing the Patriots

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Speaker 5: So if you want to run it on first down

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Speaker 8: I think it goes to the aggressiveness thing that that's

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Speaker 5: Like big picture of things like I know that we've

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Speaker 5: You know, if they win six games, five games, four games,

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Speaker 5: He says it takes some time. That's a lost opportunity

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Speaker 3: Plus this is probably their last best chance.

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Speaker 5: That's true too, But like I just look at it

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Speaker 5: Tennessee game to me was like this game, only Tennessee

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Speaker 3: The game at the whoa, oh, we just lost our lights.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what happened.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna guess that we're not on the air too.

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Speaker 3: But are we on the air? Are we still on air?

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Speaker 5: We are still okay, well, we'll keep going.

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Speaker 3: We're in the dark.

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Speaker 5: But I thought there was some similarities to the Tennessee game,

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Speaker 5: almost in reverse. Yeah, like the Patriots could have gone

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Speaker 5: Sure this is the opposite. So I wasn't like I

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Speaker 5: I don't know why I felt like that, but I

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Speaker 8: I just I felt bad about the defense going into it,

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Speaker 5: What Drake I thought they had done great game with

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Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, I'm not going to eliminate any possibilities

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Speaker 6: Ye possible. But I think there's showing elements of creativity.

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Speaker 8: Look, it's not perfect yet, but we talk about having

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Speaker 8: I think this is where you're looking at all. Right,

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Speaker 8: we've been patient with Alex van Pell. Maybe he wasn't

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Speaker 8: Everyone in the league has taken notice of this kid.

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Speaker 8: So for me, I say, continue to let that guy develop.

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Speaker 8: But at the same time, you look at the defense

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Speaker 5: Ball, and it feels for those guys too.

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Speaker 6: I saw that.

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Speaker 8: I saw that, and I feel that he had and

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Speaker 8: he had to say, they resigned all my guys again.

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Speaker 6: So you heard that from Lombardi Space.

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Speaker 5: Theater.

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Speaker 3: I take a trip to the old man.

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Speaker 5: Uh, Now we're gonna have to freeze.

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Speaker 8: But yeah, I mean I I I caught that thing

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Speaker 6: Brought all your guys back.

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Speaker 10: Why do they think, like, why isn't it going right?

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Speaker 6: Like you still mean?

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Speaker 5: They're just watching the pregame show Sunday, Mike, someone asked

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Speaker 6: And it's not playing.

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Speaker 8: It's not playing up to, you know, even the level

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Speaker 3: We got we got workers working behind us here, engineers

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Speaker 3: I can't believe a little space eater tripped.

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Speaker 5: So all right, Yeah, but I did think it was

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Speaker 5: a frustrating loss just because the offense, what MIC's out like,

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Speaker 5: the offense played so well, Yeah, and to only get

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Speaker 5: have had at least this, This should have snapped your

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Speaker 5: thirty point streak, Mike, Yeah, this should have been.

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Speaker 3: The game forty one?

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Speaker 6: What is it now? Forty one? Forty one game?

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna step out for a second.

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Speaker 3: I keep I keep predicting a thirty one point for

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Speaker 6: Can't get there, No, just can't get there.

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Speaker 10: And they should have though, you know.

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Speaker 8: And that's something Paul and I talked about on on Unfiltered,

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Speaker 3: How do they close it?

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Speaker 6: What are you born in a barn?

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Speaker 3: Hold on just going outside?

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Speaker 5: All right?

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Speaker 6: Now, it's just now, it's just deuce. It's just chaos here.

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Speaker 6: During the bye week, things are falling apart here.

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Speaker 8: The Circus music with the Benny Hillton. Uh yeah, So

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Speaker 8: now it's it was tough tough to swallow that one.

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Speaker 8: Now see what they what they come up with. They're

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Speaker 3: So yeah, see Pepper's back. How did he do?

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Speaker 6: You know when he came in.

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Speaker 3: It was just a little late and his decision. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I you know, I just can't get over the fact

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Speaker 3: it was Drake May's best game. You know, he spread

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Speaker 3: Couldn't get to win. And and you know, you'll see

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Speaker 3: You know, so I really I don't like it when

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Speaker 3: Girod says, well, this is the NFL. You know, no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: this is not the NFL. This is your team this year.

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Speaker 3: Your team isn't a team that you know does the

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Speaker 3: a team that does the things to lose the game,

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Speaker 3: right And that's the hump you need to get over.

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Speaker 3: You know, It's not a points thing, it's not a

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Speaker 3: are you know, closer to five hundred so and you know,

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Speaker 3: so forget about the points. You know, you know, there's

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Speaker 3: no solace in losing close games right now because you're

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Speaker 8: Well, that's the question I'm wondering about Fred and you,

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Speaker 8: I mean your team, I mean, I guess you've been

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Speaker 8: Like is that you know what I mean?

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Speaker 6: Like, I don't know.

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Speaker 8: I like because Brady came in and oh one, and

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Speaker 8: And I hate comparing things to Brady, but.

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Speaker 8: And that was one of my rants on Patriots on

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Speaker 8: Filter on TV check it out Thursday. It's just I'm

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 8: And Michael and Winnu this week with the third down

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Speaker 6: I didn't hear it and I went still to the

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Speaker 8: It just seems every week we're talking about key plays

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Speaker 8: I should have gotten a Killplemore's yard.

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Speaker 10: Steep, Like I'm sick of hearing the my bad, like

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Speaker 3: There's different styles of coaching, and some coaches coach out

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Speaker 3: to make mistakes. A lot of coaches don't subscribe to that.

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Speaker 3: They think that's the wrong way. But I think there

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Speaker 3: Don't be the guy that ruins it. Yeah, don't be

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Speaker 3: for your teammates. You know, I don't know, like you

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Speaker 3: said it, guys, are you know, too quick to say, oh,

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Speaker 3: has there has to be accountability, and unfortunately there's not

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Speaker 3: to play. There's no one all right, well you're sitting. Well,

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Speaker 3: that's hurting the whole team because the person you're bringing

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Speaker 3: but there, I think there needs to be a little

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Speaker 6: I totally agree.

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Speaker 8: I'd start with with the wide receiver room because I

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Speaker 8: He probably should have sat on that one. Like you know,

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Speaker 8: And when Jonathan Jones, like I've heard him say at

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Speaker 3: Are we waiting for? Like this?

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Speaker 6: Are you capable againting?

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Speaker 10: Is this team capable of getting locked in?

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Speaker 3: Because we're talking Paul about you know how Jerizell you

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Speaker 5: Close, right, So you know that. I'm glad you brought

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Speaker 5: that's what he used yesterday. So I remember that was

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Speaker 3: At these games, the fact that you're losing those games,

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Speaker 5: And you know in other sports those kind of tend

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Speaker 5: You know, bad teams actually typically win more one run

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Speaker 5: right you know, watch Carolina play? Anybody watched the Paranthers

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Speaker 5: cause you're not quite good enough to win those games. Yep.

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Speaker 5: And that's what I think the Patriots are running into

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Speaker 3: I mean, is it?

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Speaker 8: But is And I said to Fred, you know, do

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Speaker 3: Yep, So we continue to work on the lighting here.

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Speaker 5: I don't think the cameras are.

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Speaker 3: Oh, we don't have cameras either.

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Speaker 5: I don't think we're have cameras.

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Speaker 6: Oh okay, he look pretty dead.

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Speaker 3: Wow. So we are on the air though, right.

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Speaker 5: We are on the air, but not on TV.

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Speaker 3: Not on TV.

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Speaker 11: Just our voices.

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Speaker 6: Yes, we are audio only right now.

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Speaker 3: Faul's coffee is gonna just go out here?

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Speaker 6: Just yes, still, fretz there you go.

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Speaker 3: PEPSI doesn't do it. Oh you tell me that Pepsi. Alright, okay,

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Speaker 3: all right. So so that's the game I talked about.

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Speaker 3: You know again, I don't want to talk about penalties,

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Speaker 5: Know, the thing that I would say about that play

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Speaker 5: got pancaked. And then when we saw the replay with

441
00:19:38,434 --> 00:19:40,994
Speaker 5: Chris replayed over the guy, it was one of those

442
00:19:41,033 --> 00:19:43,113
Speaker 5: low bridge He just like he got hit and then

443
00:19:43,114 --> 00:19:44,714
Speaker 5: he ended up falling down. But I do think that

444
00:19:44,793 --> 00:19:45,754
Speaker 5: he the guy on.

445
00:19:45,674 --> 00:19:47,234
Speaker 6: The ground was like the high.

446
00:19:48,593 --> 00:19:51,513
Speaker 5: D with you like in a pile and you just

447
00:19:51,553 --> 00:19:53,873
Speaker 5: got killed. And like the guy kind of put his

448
00:19:53,994 --> 00:19:57,834
Speaker 5: arm up and yeah, like I and and I don't

449
00:19:57,833 --> 00:19:58,474
Speaker 5: I don't expect.

450
00:19:58,553 --> 00:20:00,874
Speaker 3: I didn't expect even if even if the guy behind

451
00:20:00,914 --> 00:20:04,873
Speaker 3: Barber hadn't pulled him, he was getting trucked anyway, So

452
00:20:04,954 --> 00:20:06,754
Speaker 3: I think he was being taken out of the play

453
00:20:06,833 --> 00:20:07,273
Speaker 3: in any.

454
00:20:07,353 --> 00:20:09,634
Speaker 5: Now you want to talk the helmet hit on Hunter Henry,

455
00:20:10,114 --> 00:20:12,994
Speaker 5: the face mask that you were talking about on Gonzalez. Yeah,

456
00:20:13,114 --> 00:20:15,954
Speaker 5: so there's those calls that were missed. What did you

457
00:20:15,994 --> 00:20:19,194
Speaker 5: guys think. I'm curious what you guys thought. Mayo got

458
00:20:19,194 --> 00:20:21,793
Speaker 5: a lot of heat for not challenging that catch on

459
00:20:21,833 --> 00:20:22,553
Speaker 5: the last drive.

460
00:20:23,793 --> 00:20:27,354
Speaker 3: Yeah, so he said he didn't get a good look

461
00:20:27,394 --> 00:20:30,273
Speaker 3: at it. Which if you don't have it, you know,

462
00:20:30,954 --> 00:20:34,234
Speaker 3: a look at it, do you risk losing that time

463
00:20:34,273 --> 00:20:36,113
Speaker 3: out when you know they're going to be important in

464
00:20:36,154 --> 00:20:40,274
Speaker 3: this game? You know? Then? I mean, we all watched it.

465
00:20:40,394 --> 00:20:42,914
Speaker 3: Some people are saying it's clear evidence that the ball

466
00:20:43,273 --> 00:20:45,634
Speaker 3: hit the ground. I don't think it did. I saw

467
00:20:45,674 --> 00:20:49,994
Speaker 3: the tip of the ball exposed and it did make contact,

468
00:20:50,194 --> 00:20:51,354
Speaker 3: but the ball didn't move.

469
00:20:51,874 --> 00:20:54,434
Speaker 5: I don't think they still don't understand that rule.

470
00:20:54,313 --> 00:20:56,273
Speaker 3: Right, it's not just touching the ground.

471
00:20:56,353 --> 00:20:58,154
Speaker 5: I agree with you. I think that would have been

472
00:20:58,593 --> 00:21:00,553
Speaker 5: a toss up at best. Yeah, and I think I

473
00:21:00,553 --> 00:21:03,513
Speaker 5: could see them overturning that and call it. Anything could

474
00:21:03,513 --> 00:21:05,073
Speaker 5: happened in the end, But I thought the one the

475
00:21:05,114 --> 00:21:08,593
Speaker 5: previous week in Miami was much more clear that Jalen

476
00:21:08,634 --> 00:21:11,833
Speaker 5: Wattle did not catch it. Girod challenged it and they.

477
00:21:11,754 --> 00:21:12,913
Speaker 3: Upheld it and he lost.

478
00:21:13,273 --> 00:21:15,074
Speaker 5: I thought that one. I don't know if you guys

479
00:21:15,114 --> 00:21:17,153
Speaker 5: remember this play, Yes, I sure do, I know.

480
00:21:17,194 --> 00:21:20,154
Speaker 3: I remember we was on our side in the press box.

481
00:21:20,234 --> 00:21:22,593
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I thought that play was clear when they

482
00:21:22,593 --> 00:21:25,474
Speaker 5: showed the replay that Waddle trapped it and they they

483
00:21:25,553 --> 00:21:28,114
Speaker 5: held They upheld that call. So I think this one

484
00:21:28,154 --> 00:21:29,513
Speaker 5: was much more to catch than that one.

485
00:21:29,513 --> 00:21:33,234
Speaker 3: I'm not killing Mayo for that. What I am wondering

486
00:21:33,353 --> 00:21:35,714
Speaker 3: is why didn't he have a better look at So.

487
00:21:35,714 --> 00:21:39,154
Speaker 5: I also have another rant on Twitter I saw several times,

488
00:21:39,154 --> 00:21:40,913
Speaker 5: so I think that was a seven yard completion on

489
00:21:40,994 --> 00:21:43,474
Speaker 5: third and ten. I think it set up fourth and three,

490
00:21:43,714 --> 00:21:46,474
Speaker 5: which they converted. I don't know if you know, Mike,

491
00:21:46,994 --> 00:21:50,634
Speaker 5: but if they overturned that call, Patriots would have won.

492
00:21:51,073 --> 00:21:53,434
Speaker 3: Yeah, right right, Everything else would have happened.

493
00:21:53,634 --> 00:21:55,394
Speaker 5: No, but like, why does the fourth and ten play

494
00:21:55,434 --> 00:21:59,793
Speaker 5: automatically not convert? They converted fourth and three? Like why why?

495
00:21:59,914 --> 00:22:02,353
Speaker 5: I mean, why is it automatic that they wouldn't have

496
00:22:02,353 --> 00:22:04,874
Speaker 5: gotten the first downright? Based on the way that drive went?

497
00:22:04,994 --> 00:22:09,193
Speaker 3: Sure, Evan, just so you know, I turned. Yeah, we

498
00:22:09,273 --> 00:22:11,873
Speaker 3: had no cameras, no lights.

499
00:22:12,234 --> 00:22:14,154
Speaker 5: I'm sorry they're not ready for your close up today.

500
00:22:14,194 --> 00:22:16,473
Speaker 3: We still are on air so people can hear us.

501
00:22:16,553 --> 00:22:19,273
Speaker 11: Okay, it's throw Justify.

502
00:22:19,394 --> 00:22:25,994
Speaker 6: Practice has turned.

503
00:22:27,994 --> 00:22:36,513
Speaker 3: Has turn. I know it's cold out there. It's cold, yeah,

504
00:22:36,674 --> 00:22:40,433
Speaker 3: so there must be a lot of grousing, mostly for me.

505
00:22:40,634 --> 00:22:43,673
Speaker 11: Honestly, I hate the cold. I'm soft. I I fully

506
00:22:43,674 --> 00:22:47,434
Speaker 11: admit it. Yeah, I I it's chilly out there. This

507
00:22:47,474 --> 00:22:50,033
Speaker 11: is probably the coldest day that we've been out there

508
00:22:50,114 --> 00:22:53,154
Speaker 11: all year. I would say for practice. It was a

509
00:22:53,154 --> 00:22:55,754
Speaker 11: little cold last week too, but this is pretty bad.

510
00:22:56,033 --> 00:22:58,593
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, a lot of any sun out is that

511
00:22:58,714 --> 00:22:59,194
Speaker 3: not helping?

512
00:22:59,353 --> 00:23:02,754
Speaker 11: Well, no, not really, because like half the field is

513
00:23:02,793 --> 00:23:05,153
Speaker 11: in the shade. We're in the stadium today, and of

514
00:23:05,154 --> 00:23:07,673
Speaker 11: course they put the media in the in the shade

515
00:23:07,754 --> 00:23:11,114
Speaker 11: and in the sun, you know, because of how we

516
00:23:11,273 --> 00:23:14,073
Speaker 11: you know, treated after the game on Sunday or something.

517
00:23:14,073 --> 00:23:16,553
Speaker 11: I don't know, I'm just totally kidding, totally kidding.

518
00:23:16,954 --> 00:23:19,513
Speaker 3: But so the team did go into the Bowl today.

519
00:23:19,553 --> 00:23:22,553
Speaker 3: I guess they're working on the practice fields.

520
00:23:22,394 --> 00:23:25,714
Speaker 11: Yeah and everything. Yeah, it's it's weird over there right now.

521
00:23:25,793 --> 00:23:32,594
Speaker 11: So the training camp fields are getting resotted, regrasped tough time.

522
00:23:33,394 --> 00:23:38,393
Speaker 11: And then the lower practice field there's construction going on

523
00:23:38,513 --> 00:23:40,954
Speaker 11: right there, so like getting in and out of the

524
00:23:40,994 --> 00:23:43,673
Speaker 11: lower practice field is like a little bit of a

525
00:23:43,754 --> 00:23:46,994
Speaker 11: experience right now too, So it's all kind of coming

526
00:23:47,033 --> 00:23:47,874
Speaker 11: together down there.

527
00:23:48,194 --> 00:23:53,474
Speaker 3: So it's Tuesday practice. It's a rare second Tuesday in

528
00:23:53,474 --> 00:23:56,234
Speaker 3: a row, but a rare Tuesday practice because the team

529
00:23:56,313 --> 00:23:58,194
Speaker 3: is going to take the rest of the week off

530
00:23:58,874 --> 00:24:01,234
Speaker 3: being the bye week. Were they in pads?

531
00:24:01,874 --> 00:24:06,353
Speaker 11: No pads, no pads, you know, obviously upper shells, but

532
00:24:06,353 --> 00:24:10,313
Speaker 11: but no lower pads, not in full pads. So just

533
00:24:10,394 --> 00:24:14,674
Speaker 11: quickly on attendance before we get too distracted here, no

534
00:24:14,793 --> 00:24:19,153
Speaker 11: Gelaanni Tavai and no Viderian Low or the two players.

535
00:24:18,793 --> 00:24:22,353
Speaker 3: Interest was on the radio this morning, but he wasn't at.

536
00:24:22,234 --> 00:24:25,433
Speaker 11: Practice, wasn't at practice. And Low has been dealing with

537
00:24:25,474 --> 00:24:27,873
Speaker 11: that shoulder injury, and we see him walking around in

538
00:24:27,954 --> 00:24:34,313
Speaker 11: one of those like shoulder splint thingies. That's not a splendor,

539
00:24:34,593 --> 00:24:37,754
Speaker 11: I don't I don't know what to call it. That's

540
00:24:37,793 --> 00:24:41,113
Speaker 11: certainly it's like a harness almost to like, you know,

541
00:24:41,394 --> 00:24:43,553
Speaker 11: help him support his shoulder a little.

542
00:24:43,313 --> 00:24:48,954
Speaker 3: Bit based on the way the offensive line played last game.

543
00:24:49,194 --> 00:24:51,354
Speaker 6: Yes, you've got the buye.

544
00:24:52,434 --> 00:24:54,873
Speaker 3: Do you think they played well enough to stay the

545
00:24:54,914 --> 00:24:57,073
Speaker 3: way they are the five? Or do you bring in

546
00:24:57,154 --> 00:24:59,674
Speaker 3: cold strange after the bye? Well?

547
00:24:59,874 --> 00:25:02,874
Speaker 11: I just wonder where at this point, because I thought

548
00:25:02,874 --> 00:25:06,873
Speaker 11: this was another solid game for Ben Brown at center

549
00:25:07,593 --> 00:25:11,913
Speaker 11: and Laden Robinson. They clearly want to develop him and

550
00:25:11,994 --> 00:25:14,553
Speaker 11: want him to play at left guard, and so he's

551
00:25:14,553 --> 00:25:17,033
Speaker 11: not going in at left guard and that's sort of

552
00:25:17,033 --> 00:25:19,073
Speaker 11: off the table, and he's not going in at center

553
00:25:19,114 --> 00:25:21,994
Speaker 11: because Brown's been playing pretty well there. I don't know

554
00:25:22,513 --> 00:25:26,433
Speaker 11: if he deserves to be benched by any means. So

555
00:25:26,593 --> 00:25:30,713
Speaker 11: he doesn't play tackle unfortunately, so you can't bench one

556
00:25:30,714 --> 00:25:33,433
Speaker 11: of the tackles for him. So not to say they

557
00:25:33,474 --> 00:25:36,313
Speaker 11: have this embarrassment of riches, certainly not. But it's also

558
00:25:36,434 --> 00:25:38,314
Speaker 11: just one of those things where like, do you want

559
00:25:38,313 --> 00:25:40,234
Speaker 11: to bench a guy like Ben Brown who has been

560
00:25:40,273 --> 00:25:42,913
Speaker 11: doing the job pretty adequately since he got it.

561
00:25:43,073 --> 00:25:47,113
Speaker 3: So, Yeah, So a lot of times in the summer

562
00:25:47,914 --> 00:25:51,153
Speaker 3: in training camp, the hotter it is, the more clothes

563
00:25:51,194 --> 00:25:53,994
Speaker 3: the coaches wear. They that's when they wear their you know,

564
00:25:54,714 --> 00:25:57,194
Speaker 3: you know, layers. Yeah, do you see a lot of

565
00:25:57,234 --> 00:25:59,913
Speaker 3: guys in shorts today and T shirts, you know, just

566
00:25:59,954 --> 00:26:00,994
Speaker 3: to show like, you know.

567
00:26:01,194 --> 00:26:04,633
Speaker 11: Not a lot. There were a few guys players in

568
00:26:04,714 --> 00:26:09,394
Speaker 11: shorts still. Christian Ellis was still rocking shorts and I

569
00:26:09,474 --> 00:26:12,313
Speaker 11: was like braver man than me. I guess some of

570
00:26:12,313 --> 00:26:15,474
Speaker 11: the coaches though, were just in like sweatpants and a sweatshirt,

571
00:26:15,754 --> 00:26:17,994
Speaker 11: which I think is a bold move as well for

572
00:26:18,073 --> 00:26:20,194
Speaker 11: how cold it is out there. But maybe they move

573
00:26:20,273 --> 00:26:23,953
Speaker 11: around so much during practice that it doesn't really matter. Now,

574
00:26:24,033 --> 00:26:31,474
Speaker 11: Hunter Henry was in a Patriots winter jacket underneath the pads.

575
00:26:32,394 --> 00:26:35,634
Speaker 11: Uh so that's the look. That was what he was doing.

576
00:26:35,634 --> 00:26:38,553
Speaker 11: I I don't think we have to release an injury

577
00:26:38,553 --> 00:26:41,714
Speaker 11: report today because Tuesday and it's the bye week, So

578
00:26:41,714 --> 00:26:43,513
Speaker 11: I don't think they need to release an injury report.

579
00:26:43,634 --> 00:26:44,193
Speaker 5: I don't think so.

580
00:26:44,313 --> 00:26:47,354
Speaker 11: But it looked like Hunter Henry was was there to

581
00:26:47,474 --> 00:26:51,634
Speaker 11: hang out and not participate much in this practice today

582
00:26:52,194 --> 00:26:56,553
Speaker 11: as well. So he might have just been bundled up

583
00:26:56,634 --> 00:26:59,393
Speaker 11: to uh because he's going to be standing around a

584
00:26:59,434 --> 00:26:59,874
Speaker 11: little bit.

585
00:27:00,234 --> 00:27:05,593
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah yeah, So uh so that's your practice report,

586
00:27:05,714 --> 00:27:06,074
Speaker 3: it is.

587
00:27:06,194 --> 00:27:07,874
Speaker 5: I guess that's the last practice of the week.

588
00:27:08,194 --> 00:27:11,353
Speaker 3: Was it Was it full media attendance or oh no, ye,

589
00:27:11,553 --> 00:27:12,433
Speaker 3: a little lighter, a.

590
00:27:12,434 --> 00:27:15,273
Speaker 11: Little lighter today. Some people I think have actually taken

591
00:27:15,434 --> 00:27:18,513
Speaker 11: the whole week off for the bye week. Very nice

592
00:27:18,674 --> 00:27:20,474
Speaker 11: because good for them, Good for them.

593
00:27:20,513 --> 00:27:21,674
Speaker 3: It's been it's been tough.

594
00:27:21,714 --> 00:27:23,994
Speaker 5: I mean, can you imagine this has having a cover

595
00:27:24,073 --> 00:27:24,714
Speaker 5: thirteen games?

596
00:27:26,033 --> 00:27:29,994
Speaker 3: This has been an especially rigorous season for the media.

597
00:27:30,114 --> 00:27:32,234
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean a lot of Sunday at once. Yeah,

598
00:27:32,434 --> 00:27:34,633
Speaker 5: it doesn't get much. Don't get no tougher than that.

599
00:27:34,674 --> 00:27:38,634
Speaker 3: It's tough. It's tough, got bites, you know, fix those fingertips.

600
00:27:38,714 --> 00:27:41,313
Speaker 11: You know, lot of carpal tunnel. Got to be worried

601
00:27:41,353 --> 00:27:41,673
Speaker 11: about that.

602
00:27:42,593 --> 00:27:44,114
Speaker 5: I mean, in terms of the media, this has been

603
00:27:44,114 --> 00:27:47,033
Speaker 5: a pretty pretty easy, easy year.

604
00:27:47,513 --> 00:27:50,474
Speaker 11: I mean it's scheduling wise, yeah, I mean, you.

605
00:27:50,434 --> 00:27:53,273
Speaker 5: Guys have had a couple of long trips, right, you

606
00:27:53,353 --> 00:27:57,874
Speaker 5: had San Francisco, Yeah, London, you know, London, Miami.

607
00:27:58,394 --> 00:28:00,313
Speaker 11: Now we'll go to Arizona.

608
00:28:00,353 --> 00:28:02,674
Speaker 3: And you have the most Sundays ones I think we've

609
00:28:02,714 --> 00:28:03,474
Speaker 3: had in twenty.

610
00:28:03,434 --> 00:28:05,754
Speaker 5: I can't remember. I can't remember having this many.

611
00:28:05,954 --> 00:28:08,954
Speaker 11: No, I know, I don't like to complain about covering

612
00:28:08,994 --> 00:28:11,793
Speaker 11: a football team as it is, but yeah, no, no

613
00:28:11,874 --> 00:28:13,754
Speaker 11: complaints in terms of any of that for you.

614
00:28:13,874 --> 00:28:16,033
Speaker 5: But I think we might be just talking about the

615
00:28:16,073 --> 00:28:17,793
Speaker 5: rest of it on the television.

616
00:28:17,874 --> 00:28:20,474
Speaker 11: Yeah. I mean, look at thirteen weeks in a row,

617
00:28:20,513 --> 00:28:22,833
Speaker 11: and if you really, if you want to go down

618
00:28:22,833 --> 00:28:26,513
Speaker 11: this road, uh, you know, really, training camp starts and

619
00:28:26,513 --> 00:28:29,474
Speaker 11: then the train has left the station. So it's really

620
00:28:29,474 --> 00:28:32,194
Speaker 11: going back to July for most of us though we've

621
00:28:32,234 --> 00:28:35,033
Speaker 11: been we've been grinding, as you like, Clay Fred.

622
00:28:35,313 --> 00:28:39,394
Speaker 3: So I hope everyone gets a well deserved break. Yep.

623
00:28:40,994 --> 00:28:44,394
Speaker 3: So we already kind of talked about the game itself.

624
00:28:44,634 --> 00:28:47,234
Speaker 3: Any take that you want to get off your.

625
00:28:47,234 --> 00:28:51,554
Speaker 11: Chest a couple I guess just listening to what you

626
00:28:51,554 --> 00:28:53,594
Speaker 11: guys were saying when I came in, I'm going to

627
00:28:53,634 --> 00:28:56,034
Speaker 11: disagree on the Christian barmore thing. I think it's two

628
00:28:56,034 --> 00:28:59,354
Speaker 11: penalties in one block. Chop block, for sure.

629
00:28:59,514 --> 00:29:01,034
Speaker 5: I disagree with the front on that too.

630
00:29:03,034 --> 00:29:06,554
Speaker 11: Chop block, And I get why just by the look

631
00:29:06,594 --> 00:29:08,153
Speaker 11: of it, it looks like a hole. But to me,

632
00:29:08,274 --> 00:29:10,873
Speaker 11: by the rule, it looks more to like a chop

633
00:29:10,874 --> 00:29:13,594
Speaker 11: block than a hold because he's got somebody around his

634
00:29:13,674 --> 00:29:16,234
Speaker 11: legs and then Nelson comes up over the top like

635
00:29:16,314 --> 00:29:19,354
Speaker 11: that is a textbook chop block, Like somebody's engaged with

636
00:29:19,394 --> 00:29:22,234
Speaker 11: his lower body then hits him up top. Now with

637
00:29:22,354 --> 00:29:23,393
Speaker 11: that being said.

638
00:29:26,034 --> 00:29:26,594
Speaker 3: There you go.

639
00:29:27,674 --> 00:29:29,834
Speaker 11: I have to acknowledge that just keep.

640
00:29:29,674 --> 00:29:36,114
Speaker 3: Going, job, guys, good job, might even get some heat back. Yeah,

641
00:29:36,114 --> 00:29:37,514
Speaker 3: I know he was getting cold in here, wasn't it.

642
00:29:37,514 --> 00:29:38,314
Speaker 3: It's cold.

643
00:29:39,514 --> 00:29:43,514
Speaker 11: Those are one of those situations. Heater, that's one of

644
00:29:43,514 --> 00:29:46,034
Speaker 11: those situations though, where like it was, it was Fred

645
00:29:46,114 --> 00:29:48,433
Speaker 11: right that plugged in the space heater. It's better him

646
00:29:48,554 --> 00:29:49,314
Speaker 11: than any of us.

647
00:29:50,394 --> 00:29:54,554
Speaker 5: I do agree with that it was probably a penalty,

648
00:29:54,634 --> 00:29:57,154
Speaker 5: But I also agree with Fred's point that it's hard

649
00:29:57,354 --> 00:30:00,794
Speaker 5: like it's directly in the middle, to the right of

650
00:30:00,834 --> 00:30:02,754
Speaker 5: where the ball was run. It wasn't even at the

651
00:30:02,794 --> 00:30:05,794
Speaker 5: point of you know. But I do think you guys

652
00:30:05,834 --> 00:30:07,714
Speaker 5: on the ground, I don't think it was an intentional chop.

653
00:30:08,034 --> 00:30:10,474
Speaker 5: I think the guy like lost his balance and he

654
00:30:10,554 --> 00:30:13,314
Speaker 5: ended up right at the guy's legs. I think Evan's right.

655
00:30:13,354 --> 00:30:15,354
Speaker 5: I think by the letter of the chop block law,

656
00:30:15,994 --> 00:30:19,193
Speaker 5: he's got the guy engaged, you know, at his legs,

657
00:30:19,274 --> 00:30:22,274
Speaker 5: and then Nelson hits him. That's supposed to be automatic, right,

658
00:30:22,714 --> 00:30:25,874
Speaker 5: So I was surprised that, I guess I would.

659
00:30:25,954 --> 00:30:28,074
Speaker 3: So do we figure out Let's just say that it

660
00:30:28,194 --> 00:30:31,393
Speaker 3: was a penalty, All right, do we figure out what

661
00:30:31,474 --> 00:30:32,594
Speaker 3: happens after that? Good?

662
00:30:32,634 --> 00:30:34,234
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was already wondering that actual point.

663
00:30:34,354 --> 00:30:38,633
Speaker 11: It's it's basically, you have the choice now to attempt

664
00:30:38,674 --> 00:30:41,594
Speaker 11: the extra point from fifteen yards back or ten yards back.

665
00:30:41,634 --> 00:30:44,034
Speaker 11: I can't remember how much it is for a chop block,

666
00:30:44,274 --> 00:30:47,314
Speaker 11: or you can go for two from the twelve yard

667
00:30:47,354 --> 00:30:48,514
Speaker 11: line if you wanted to.

668
00:30:49,434 --> 00:30:51,874
Speaker 3: So, if they wanted it, but if they wanted to kick,

669
00:30:51,914 --> 00:30:54,433
Speaker 3: do you know that that's a fact because because that's a

670
00:30:54,474 --> 00:30:56,474
Speaker 3: shorter extra point that it would be otherwise.

671
00:30:56,554 --> 00:30:59,633
Speaker 5: No, No, if they wanted to kick, the fifteen yards

672
00:30:59,634 --> 00:31:01,514
Speaker 5: for the chop block would have been from the fifteen,

673
00:31:01,594 --> 00:31:03,074
Speaker 5: so it would have gone back to the thirty and

674
00:31:03,114 --> 00:31:04,354
Speaker 5: made it a forty eight yard.

675
00:31:04,154 --> 00:31:07,434
Speaker 3: Oh, forty eight okay instead of forty two, thirty three,

676
00:31:07,514 --> 00:31:11,913
Speaker 3: thirty three yeah whatever, yea hard okay, okay.

677
00:31:12,154 --> 00:31:14,234
Speaker 5: Yeah, So they could still go for two if they

678
00:31:14,274 --> 00:31:15,794
Speaker 5: wanted to. That they would have had to go for

679
00:31:15,794 --> 00:31:19,274
Speaker 5: it probably, Yeah, so Dan Campbell wasn't in the stadium,

680
00:31:19,274 --> 00:31:20,394
Speaker 5: so they probably would have just kicked.

681
00:31:20,394 --> 00:31:22,514
Speaker 3: If it was a penalty, it would have been over time, yeah,

682
00:31:22,594 --> 00:31:23,074
Speaker 3: most likely.

683
00:31:23,194 --> 00:31:23,394
Speaker 5: Yeah.

684
00:31:23,594 --> 00:31:25,754
Speaker 11: Yeah, Okay, Now the one thing I will say about

685
00:31:25,754 --> 00:31:30,434
Speaker 11: the penalty, and I get that this is probably wrong

686
00:31:30,474 --> 00:31:32,874
Speaker 11: to say this, but I also feel like I don't

687
00:31:32,874 --> 00:31:34,594
Speaker 11: want games decided.

688
00:31:34,354 --> 00:31:37,314
Speaker 5: Necessarily no call, but I do think it was a penalty.

689
00:31:37,394 --> 00:31:39,554
Speaker 11: Yeah, Like it was one thing. If you know it's

690
00:31:39,594 --> 00:31:42,234
Speaker 11: a two point conversion and a guy's running wide open

691
00:31:42,234 --> 00:31:44,194
Speaker 11: in the end zone and somebody tackles him, you know,

692
00:31:44,354 --> 00:31:47,393
Speaker 11: it commits defensive pass interference or something like that. But

693
00:31:47,514 --> 00:31:49,794
Speaker 11: this was one of those sort of in the trenches

694
00:31:49,914 --> 00:31:52,954
Speaker 11: kind of things where I don't know. I don't know

695
00:31:52,994 --> 00:31:55,794
Speaker 11: if I love the game being decided by a penalty

696
00:31:55,834 --> 00:31:57,633
Speaker 11: in that spot if it doesn't have to be.

697
00:31:57,754 --> 00:31:59,674
Speaker 8: So I just found it made me so mad because

698
00:31:59,914 --> 00:32:02,274
Speaker 8: of course, of course, like they let a nineteen play

699
00:32:02,394 --> 00:32:03,314
Speaker 8: drive and then it's like but.

700
00:32:03,514 --> 00:32:05,514
Speaker 6: They held us on the two point, Like I'm like.

701
00:32:05,674 --> 00:32:08,433
Speaker 5: Come on, that was kind of my like, so I

702
00:32:08,514 --> 00:32:10,954
Speaker 5: wake up money now. We saw this on the postgame

703
00:32:10,994 --> 00:32:12,873
Speaker 5: show because when I the first time they showed it

704
00:32:13,034 --> 00:32:15,434
Speaker 5: f I looked at it and I was like, wow, Bobo

705
00:32:15,634 --> 00:32:18,074
Speaker 5: just got pancakes. Yeah yeah, because you just see the

706
00:32:18,074 --> 00:32:19,714
Speaker 5: first shot and I see this like he had the

707
00:32:19,754 --> 00:32:22,113
Speaker 5: red sleeves on, arms go up and I was like, Wow,

708
00:32:22,514 --> 00:32:25,354
Speaker 5: Quinton Nelson killed him. Then they showed another replay and

709
00:32:25,394 --> 00:32:27,514
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, no, no, no, he didn't get pancake. There's

710
00:32:27,514 --> 00:32:29,354
Speaker 5: a guy right behind him. It's like when you're in

711
00:32:29,554 --> 00:32:32,034
Speaker 5: school and then they got table, you get your friend

712
00:32:32,074 --> 00:32:34,354
Speaker 5: to set up behind him, and that's what I thought

713
00:32:34,434 --> 00:32:37,634
Speaker 5: happened might start. So I was like, he didn't get pancake.

714
00:32:37,714 --> 00:32:39,913
Speaker 5: That was just a low bridge, and that's what happened.

715
00:32:39,914 --> 00:32:42,354
Speaker 5: Then I wake up Monday morning to the Zapruter film.

716
00:32:43,994 --> 00:32:47,314
Speaker 5: Everybody and their brother had different angles of the travesty

717
00:32:47,754 --> 00:32:50,754
Speaker 5: of this non call that like, and I'm kind of

718
00:32:50,754 --> 00:32:54,714
Speaker 5: with Mike. I'm like, you just allowed that quarterback to

719
00:32:54,794 --> 00:32:59,194
Speaker 5: convert three fourth downs in a nineteen play drive which

720
00:32:59,274 --> 00:33:01,074
Speaker 5: was actually twenty one places because I think there were

721
00:33:01,074 --> 00:33:04,594
Speaker 5: a couple of penalties along the way, and you're complaining

722
00:33:04,594 --> 00:33:06,954
Speaker 5: that the two point conversion didn't get overturned with a

723
00:33:07,794 --> 00:33:10,194
Speaker 5: you know, a chop block or in a hold or

724
00:33:10,234 --> 00:33:11,193
Speaker 5: whatever I did.

725
00:33:11,354 --> 00:33:14,074
Speaker 11: Yeah, I'm one hundred percent with you. I understand from

726
00:33:14,074 --> 00:33:18,274
Speaker 11: a player perspective though, because because I totally because you know,

727
00:33:18,394 --> 00:33:21,153
Speaker 11: he you know, just talking after the game with some

728
00:33:21,194 --> 00:33:23,514
Speaker 11: of them, like he knew the play that they were

729
00:33:23,554 --> 00:33:25,994
Speaker 11: going to run because they've been running all game QB power.

730
00:33:25,994 --> 00:33:28,194
Speaker 11: They've been running it. They probably read it ten times

731
00:33:28,234 --> 00:33:32,674
Speaker 11: in the game. So he swims the tackle man to

732
00:33:32,714 --> 00:33:35,434
Speaker 11: get to get into the backfield because he knows that

733
00:33:35,754 --> 00:33:37,953
Speaker 11: that's where they're going to try to hit the play,

734
00:33:38,354 --> 00:33:40,594
Speaker 11: and so he his in his mind, he was like,

735
00:33:41,074 --> 00:33:43,074
Speaker 11: I blew it up, like I had, Like I was

736
00:33:43,194 --> 00:33:44,274
Speaker 11: right there and I had.

737
00:33:44,474 --> 00:33:47,274
Speaker 3: With that because he beat his man, but he was

738
00:33:47,394 --> 00:33:50,194
Speaker 3: now Nelson was coming. Nelson hit him right.

739
00:33:50,234 --> 00:33:53,874
Speaker 11: But did Nelson hit him because he had to make

740
00:33:53,914 --> 00:33:56,914
Speaker 11: the tackle right for whiffing on the block on bar Moore?

741
00:33:56,954 --> 00:33:59,794
Speaker 11: Like see, it's it's a domino effect, right, Like, because

742
00:33:59,794 --> 00:34:03,514
Speaker 11: that that's not who bar who Nelson is supposed to block. Okay,

743
00:34:03,674 --> 00:34:06,914
Speaker 11: so Nelson is fixing the mistake by the tackle by

744
00:34:06,914 --> 00:34:09,473
Speaker 11: blocking bar Moore at the point of attack there, So

745
00:34:09,594 --> 00:34:14,913
Speaker 11: it did someone else. Yeah, the linebacker theoretically should have

746
00:34:14,954 --> 00:34:17,074
Speaker 11: been unblocked to make the play.

747
00:34:16,874 --> 00:34:22,954
Speaker 3: Because Richardson did touchdown. He did get hit outside, but

748
00:34:23,994 --> 00:34:25,234
Speaker 3: they plowed him.

749
00:34:26,114 --> 00:34:30,433
Speaker 5: Okay, But I'm not like I think it was I

750
00:34:30,434 --> 00:34:32,714
Speaker 5: think there was a penalty. Yeah, I definitely think it

751
00:34:32,754 --> 00:34:33,314
Speaker 5: was a penalty.

752
00:34:33,354 --> 00:34:35,953
Speaker 8: I guess yeah, like the context of the game and

753
00:34:35,994 --> 00:34:39,274
Speaker 8: how it ended, so technicality I wanted, you.

754
00:34:39,274 --> 00:34:42,754
Speaker 3: Know, yeah, it's too bad.

755
00:34:42,913 --> 00:34:45,433
Speaker 11: Yeah. My only other thought on the on the game was,

756
00:34:45,953 --> 00:34:50,154
Speaker 11: you know, just again other than finding a way to

757
00:34:50,194 --> 00:34:53,874
Speaker 11: lose all these close games, which is painful. But again,

758
00:34:53,994 --> 00:34:57,033
Speaker 11: just watching the defensive film, you just you see a

759
00:34:57,034 --> 00:34:59,194
Speaker 11: lot of issues on that side of the football, a

760
00:34:59,234 --> 00:35:04,514
Speaker 11: lot of issues with just obviously talent level personnel, especially

761
00:35:04,514 --> 00:35:07,794
Speaker 11: in the front seven, but also you know, assignment's run fits,

762
00:35:08,234 --> 00:35:11,114
Speaker 11: coverage busts again in the red zone. Like there's just

763
00:35:11,274 --> 00:35:14,434
Speaker 11: not a well coached, well oiled machine on the defensive

764
00:35:14,473 --> 00:35:17,794
Speaker 11: side of the ball right now. And offensively, you're seeing

765
00:35:17,873 --> 00:35:20,714
Speaker 11: some progress and you're seeing some good things from Van

766
00:35:20,834 --> 00:35:22,874
Speaker 11: Pelt in the scheme and all that kind of stuff,

767
00:35:22,913 --> 00:35:25,834
Speaker 11: and defensively you're just getting none of that outside of

768
00:35:25,913 --> 00:35:29,153
Speaker 11: Christian goan Zales, you know, flashing here or there every

769
00:35:29,154 --> 00:35:32,713
Speaker 11: once in a while, and that is extremely discouraging because

770
00:35:32,714 --> 00:35:35,873
Speaker 11: I just don't know where they go from here. Defensively, like,

771
00:35:35,873 --> 00:35:38,513
Speaker 11: you have a defensive minded head coach, you have a

772
00:35:38,514 --> 00:35:42,873
Speaker 11: young defensive coordinator and Covington who you like, so you know,

773
00:35:42,873 --> 00:35:45,513
Speaker 11: do you move on from Covington. Do you give jirod

774
00:35:45,714 --> 00:35:50,154
Speaker 11: more defensive responsibility? Like moving forward? You know, how do

775
00:35:50,234 --> 00:35:52,234
Speaker 11: you fix that on that side of the ball, I

776
00:35:52,274 --> 00:35:55,634
Speaker 11: think is a big question. Just assuming that Juwan Bentley

777
00:35:55,634 --> 00:35:58,354
Speaker 11: comes back and Barmore gets fully healthy and all of

778
00:35:58,354 --> 00:36:00,314
Speaker 11: a sudden this is a top ten defense again, I

779
00:36:00,354 --> 00:36:03,274
Speaker 11: think is a is a giant leap based off of

780
00:36:03,274 --> 00:36:06,114
Speaker 11: what we've seen, I mean, everybody. It kind of feels

781
00:36:06,114 --> 00:36:08,594
Speaker 11: to me like the like the Bruins, not the cross sports,

782
00:36:08,634 --> 00:36:11,953
Speaker 11: where like there's multiple guys that are underperforming, Like there's

783
00:36:12,034 --> 00:36:14,314
Speaker 11: just like all over the defense, you know, to buy

784
00:36:14,994 --> 00:36:18,794
Speaker 11: Kyle Duggar, Jonathan Jones, you know, just go on down

785
00:36:18,873 --> 00:36:20,954
Speaker 11: the line of guys that have played really good football

786
00:36:20,994 --> 00:36:23,033
Speaker 11: for you over the last couple of years that just

787
00:36:23,034 --> 00:36:24,274
Speaker 11: aren't playing good right now.

788
00:36:24,354 --> 00:36:25,953
Speaker 8: So I can't wrap my head around It's that these

789
00:36:25,953 --> 00:36:27,873
Speaker 8: are the guys you kept, these are the coaches you kept,

790
00:36:27,913 --> 00:36:29,993
Speaker 8: These are the holdovers, this is the holdover side of

791
00:36:30,034 --> 00:36:32,754
Speaker 8: the ball, and yet they're the ones who have fallen

792
00:36:32,794 --> 00:36:35,153
Speaker 8: off and haven't been able to I can't I can't

793
00:36:35,194 --> 00:36:37,314
Speaker 8: quite wrap my head around make it, make.

794
00:36:37,274 --> 00:36:39,953
Speaker 5: It, because I really thought Sunday was gonna be one

795
00:36:39,994 --> 00:36:42,953
Speaker 5: of those they're gonna flex our muscles against.

796
00:36:42,634 --> 00:36:43,314
Speaker 11: It, like the Bears.

797
00:36:43,834 --> 00:36:46,834
Speaker 8: Yeah, like like Chicago, and it wasn't They've had to

798
00:36:47,154 --> 00:36:47,754
Speaker 8: know of those games.

799
00:36:47,754 --> 00:36:51,354
Speaker 5: And Richardson, you know, wasn't great, but he was good enough.

800
00:36:52,114 --> 00:36:55,074
Speaker 10: It's like, you know, Pellegrino, Brian Belichick, like these guys have.

801
00:36:55,314 --> 00:36:59,114
Speaker 5: Yeah, so Jonathan Jones f And I'm curious, do you

802
00:36:59,154 --> 00:37:01,393
Speaker 5: feel like he sort of I don't want to use

803
00:37:01,393 --> 00:37:02,913
Speaker 5: the word bench but do you feel.

804
00:37:02,674 --> 00:37:06,714
Speaker 11: Like he was benched perform phased out? I think is

805
00:37:06,714 --> 00:37:10,234
Speaker 11: a is a good way to put it, because he

806
00:37:10,714 --> 00:37:11,874
Speaker 11: can't play corner anymore.

807
00:37:11,953 --> 00:37:14,234
Speaker 5: Do you think Austin played well for the most part

808
00:37:14,114 --> 00:37:16,154
Speaker 5: but it wasn't It wasn't perfect, but I thought he

809
00:37:16,154 --> 00:37:16,953
Speaker 5: played pretty well.

810
00:37:16,994 --> 00:37:19,354
Speaker 3: I was reading your your wrap up and you said

811
00:37:19,393 --> 00:37:23,154
Speaker 3: that they were rotation rotating and at that and that

812
00:37:23,234 --> 00:37:26,434
Speaker 3: play at the end, it was just Astin turn really

813
00:37:26,433 --> 00:37:29,553
Speaker 3: out there. And Gerard wants to see how these young

814
00:37:29,554 --> 00:37:31,834
Speaker 3: guys are going to play. Yeah, and you can't like

815
00:37:31,913 --> 00:37:34,194
Speaker 3: take them out if you really want to, you know,

816
00:37:34,354 --> 00:37:37,073
Speaker 3: judge them fairly. You got to keep them out there

817
00:37:37,074 --> 00:37:37,593
Speaker 3: in the big place.

818
00:37:37,794 --> 00:37:39,993
Speaker 5: I don't have a huge problem with that mentality. If

819
00:37:40,034 --> 00:37:43,754
Speaker 5: That's why I'm wondering. I'm when you brought up, you know,

820
00:37:43,994 --> 00:37:47,274
Speaker 5: the guys that haven't played, and you you included Jonathan Jones.

821
00:37:47,794 --> 00:37:50,234
Speaker 5: That made me think more was this performance related that

822
00:37:50,274 --> 00:37:51,633
Speaker 5: he wasn't out there at the end of the year.

823
00:37:51,873 --> 00:37:53,954
Speaker 3: I think he just wants to see people, see people.

824
00:37:54,114 --> 00:37:57,113
Speaker 11: I think there's and there's also the whole matchup thing

825
00:37:57,194 --> 00:38:00,154
Speaker 11: of like there's a lot of big receivers on the Colts,

826
00:38:00,194 --> 00:38:02,513
Speaker 11: so like who is he without Josh Downs, Like who

827
00:38:02,594 --> 00:38:04,913
Speaker 11: is he really going to cover? But you know, we're

828
00:38:04,953 --> 00:38:07,073
Speaker 11: just looking up some stats here at the bye week,

829
00:38:07,114 --> 00:38:10,234
Speaker 11: and out of seventy two qualified corners in the league,

830
00:38:10,354 --> 00:38:13,234
Speaker 11: Jonathan Jones is dead last and passer rating into his

831
00:38:13,314 --> 00:38:16,434
Speaker 11: coverage right now, you know, he is the worst corner

832
00:38:16,433 --> 00:38:18,873
Speaker 11: in the league by a lot of metrics at this

833
00:38:19,034 --> 00:38:20,913
Speaker 11: point in coverage.

834
00:38:20,634 --> 00:38:23,593
Speaker 5: Goes back and see the post game reaction every week

835
00:38:23,674 --> 00:38:26,714
Speaker 5: to see that I haven't seen any of that. What

836
00:38:26,754 --> 00:38:29,794
Speaker 5: do you mean, Like, no one's written that, no one's

837
00:38:29,794 --> 00:38:32,714
Speaker 5: tweeting that after the game, breathlessly killing me all the stats.

838
00:38:32,873 --> 00:38:34,634
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, it's fair.

839
00:38:34,674 --> 00:38:35,913
Speaker 6: I mean I think Evan's slowly right.

840
00:38:35,953 --> 00:38:37,754
Speaker 8: It is another thing that hit my radar and I

841
00:38:37,873 --> 00:38:40,674
Speaker 8: connected to to they're turning guys over at the bottom

842
00:38:40,714 --> 00:38:42,674
Speaker 8: of the roster too. They brought in another practice squad

843
00:38:42,674 --> 00:38:44,354
Speaker 8: guy today. They got rid of Michael Jordan, they got

844
00:38:44,393 --> 00:38:47,674
Speaker 8: rid of Joe Giles Harris yesterday. There you know, I mean,

845
00:38:47,714 --> 00:38:50,314
Speaker 8: I don't like I'm Paul's converted me. I'm not like

846
00:38:50,354 --> 00:38:53,033
Speaker 8: saying these guys are gems. But it seems like they're

847
00:38:53,074 --> 00:38:54,594
Speaker 8: churning up the bottom of the roster at the end

848
00:38:54,674 --> 00:38:56,354
Speaker 8: just to see if they can find anybody who might

849
00:38:56,433 --> 00:38:58,274
Speaker 8: be able to stick and compete next summer.

850
00:38:58,473 --> 00:39:01,673
Speaker 11: Yeah, I definitely wonder too, just you know, about Kyle

851
00:39:01,754 --> 00:39:04,794
Speaker 11: Dugger and where he is at mentally right now, because

852
00:39:05,034 --> 00:39:08,153
Speaker 11: this wasn't as egregiously bad as the Miami game, where

853
00:39:08,154 --> 00:39:11,513
Speaker 11: it's obvious that he's not playing well. But when you

854
00:39:11,554 --> 00:39:14,714
Speaker 11: watch the film back, I mean, there's there's as many

855
00:39:14,714 --> 00:39:17,033
Speaker 11: minus plays on this tape as there were last week

856
00:39:17,034 --> 00:39:20,154
Speaker 11: for Kyle Dugger. Obviously the touchdown on him, you know,

857
00:39:20,194 --> 00:39:22,714
Speaker 11: at the end of the game, but just other plays too,

858
00:39:22,714 --> 00:39:25,194
Speaker 11: where he's just not in the right places, or you know,

859
00:39:25,314 --> 00:39:27,354
Speaker 11: gets beat again or gets beat up the seam and

860
00:39:27,393 --> 00:39:29,194
Speaker 11: the tight end just drops the ball, you know, and

861
00:39:29,274 --> 00:39:31,754
Speaker 11: what should have been like a walking touchdown on him

862
00:39:31,754 --> 00:39:34,434
Speaker 11: earlier on in the in the drive if he gives

863
00:39:34,433 --> 00:39:37,074
Speaker 11: that one up. So it's just, uh, he's a player

864
00:39:37,114 --> 00:39:39,314
Speaker 11: too that he's more talented, he's better than that.

865
00:39:39,433 --> 00:39:41,074
Speaker 8: You know what if I said, let's get rid of

866
00:39:41,114 --> 00:39:43,354
Speaker 8: the safeties playing linebacker, Like, why don't we get rid

867
00:39:43,354 --> 00:39:46,514
Speaker 8: of that and have linebackers play linebacker and let NFL?

868
00:39:46,594 --> 00:39:47,513
Speaker 3: Can you really do that?

869
00:39:47,634 --> 00:39:47,754
Speaker 5: Well?

870
00:39:47,754 --> 00:39:48,674
Speaker 6: I think most teams in.

871
00:39:48,674 --> 00:39:50,473
Speaker 10: The league do that right Well, Like they're not they're

872
00:39:50,514 --> 00:39:51,194
Speaker 10: not trying.

873
00:39:51,194 --> 00:39:53,754
Speaker 8: Lock like Kyle Duggert and inside linebacker where he's not

874
00:39:54,154 --> 00:39:56,114
Speaker 8: gonna be able to stop the run, Like he just

875
00:39:56,154 --> 00:39:57,033
Speaker 8: doesn't fit to do that.

876
00:39:57,154 --> 00:39:58,714
Speaker 5: Yeah, well I like him better stop in the run

877
00:39:58,754 --> 00:39:59,914
Speaker 5: than I do him in coverage.

878
00:39:59,913 --> 00:40:02,873
Speaker 3: I know we've talked about how linebackers are being phased

879
00:40:02,873 --> 00:40:05,794
Speaker 3: out in this league a little bit, like they're running

880
00:40:05,834 --> 00:40:07,473
Speaker 3: that as dominant as they used to be.

881
00:40:07,514 --> 00:40:11,033
Speaker 11: They're running there that that cracks. We play with Richardson

882
00:40:11,114 --> 00:40:13,993
Speaker 11: on the design quarterback run and it's like fourth and

883
00:40:14,034 --> 00:40:16,194
Speaker 11: short is one of those fourth down plays. I can't

884
00:40:16,234 --> 00:40:19,553
Speaker 11: remember which one, and the whole stadium knows what play

885
00:40:19,554 --> 00:40:23,553
Speaker 11: they're gonna run, easy and Kyle Duggar gets smoked on

886
00:40:23,594 --> 00:40:25,953
Speaker 11: the crack block, like doesn't even see coming and gets

887
00:40:25,994 --> 00:40:29,473
Speaker 11: pancaked on the edge, And I'm just like, well, what

888
00:40:29,594 --> 00:40:31,114
Speaker 11: did you think they were going to run? Like they

889
00:40:31,114 --> 00:40:33,033
Speaker 11: were going to run a different play like that was.

890
00:40:33,514 --> 00:40:36,153
Speaker 5: And I would say, you guys are right actually, because

891
00:40:36,194 --> 00:40:38,434
Speaker 5: I would say the same thing the other fourth down play,

892
00:40:39,234 --> 00:40:41,154
Speaker 5: you know, the fourth down that they wouldn't have gotten

893
00:40:41,154 --> 00:40:43,274
Speaker 5: if they overturned the call that was I think it

894
00:40:43,314 --> 00:40:45,194
Speaker 5: was fourth and three that they got eleven yards on.

895
00:40:45,314 --> 00:40:46,593
Speaker 11: Yeah, they actually threw it on now one.

896
00:40:46,794 --> 00:40:49,953
Speaker 5: Yeah, but he could have run it too, because Pepper's

897
00:40:49,994 --> 00:40:53,113
Speaker 5: was out there and he got dusted. He's the contang guy. Yeah,

898
00:40:53,194 --> 00:40:55,953
Speaker 5: and he got right around him easily looked and he

899
00:40:55,953 --> 00:40:57,593
Speaker 5: saw he had a guy wide open. He just threw

900
00:40:57,594 --> 00:40:59,393
Speaker 5: it for the easy money rather than just running for it.

901
00:40:59,433 --> 00:41:02,954
Speaker 5: But he could have done either one. And that's those guys,

902
00:41:03,794 --> 00:41:05,553
Speaker 5: both of those guys. That's what they should be able

903
00:41:05,594 --> 00:41:08,714
Speaker 5: to do. I'm not asking I'm not asking Doug Art

904
00:41:08,953 --> 00:41:12,314
Speaker 5: to blanket Michael Pittman on that that tying touchdown. Yeah,

905
00:41:12,794 --> 00:41:15,554
Speaker 5: I don't think that's his skill set. He but Evan's

906
00:41:15,554 --> 00:41:17,314
Speaker 5: play that he's talking about he should be able to

907
00:41:17,314 --> 00:41:20,194
Speaker 5: recognize a block coming and take on the block and

908
00:41:20,674 --> 00:41:23,354
Speaker 5: set the edge and force the guy to do something.

909
00:41:23,634 --> 00:41:27,593
Speaker 5: That was an easy conversion both ways. One was left

910
00:41:27,634 --> 00:41:29,913
Speaker 5: toward the Colt sideline, the one that you're talking about

911
00:41:29,913 --> 00:41:32,274
Speaker 5: with Douger, and the one I'm talking about with Peppers

912
00:41:32,354 --> 00:41:35,033
Speaker 5: was toward the Patriots sideline. Yeah, and I think they

913
00:41:35,074 --> 00:41:36,913
Speaker 5: were both full with down plays on that last drive.

914
00:41:36,994 --> 00:41:39,714
Speaker 11: You gotta start asking questions I think on the about

915
00:41:39,714 --> 00:41:43,074
Speaker 11: the defensive coaching, and now at this point, more so

916
00:41:43,393 --> 00:41:45,593
Speaker 11: I would say than than Van Pelt, like I think

917
00:41:45,674 --> 00:41:47,714
Speaker 11: Van Pelt has done.

918
00:41:47,953 --> 00:41:49,674
Speaker 5: I thought there was a study job, a lot of

919
00:41:49,674 --> 00:41:52,633
Speaker 5: good stuff in that game before you got here. I said,

920
00:41:52,714 --> 00:41:58,154
Speaker 5: with the exception of the two possessions like after the picks,

921
00:41:58,953 --> 00:42:01,794
Speaker 5: you know, and I didn't like the mentality late in

922
00:42:01,834 --> 00:42:04,834
Speaker 5: the half. But I don't put that on him because

923
00:42:04,873 --> 00:42:07,754
Speaker 5: I think that there's like the timeout usage and whatnot.

924
00:42:07,794 --> 00:42:10,394
Speaker 5: I don't think that's him. I think that's a head coaches.

925
00:42:10,634 --> 00:42:13,634
Speaker 5: But the two drives after the two picks, especially the

926
00:42:13,714 --> 00:42:17,554
Speaker 5: last one, but the little shovel pass to Hunter Henry,

927
00:42:17,554 --> 00:42:20,473
Speaker 5: you have the play action to Marcus Jones. I really

928
00:42:20,514 --> 00:42:21,114
Speaker 5: liked that wrinkle.

929
00:42:21,354 --> 00:42:22,153
Speaker 3: That was a nice play.

930
00:42:22,433 --> 00:42:24,633
Speaker 5: I really, I really enjoyed that they.

931
00:42:24,554 --> 00:42:26,553
Speaker 6: Did a whole gift one had a gift.

932
00:42:26,674 --> 00:42:31,194
Speaker 11: Yeah, power read well, I actually just download the videos.

933
00:42:31,234 --> 00:42:34,513
Speaker 11: I don't over We're beyond gifts now, Mike, you don't

934
00:42:35,114 --> 00:42:36,834
Speaker 11: like the boomer.

935
00:42:36,754 --> 00:42:38,274
Speaker 5: Yeah, I didn't know you had that.

936
00:42:38,554 --> 00:42:39,553
Speaker 3: I liked that place.

937
00:42:39,594 --> 00:42:41,714
Speaker 11: That's probably one of my favorite plays they've run all year.

938
00:42:41,794 --> 00:42:44,834
Speaker 11: That's a that's a Kansas City Andy Reid specially right

939
00:42:44,873 --> 00:42:46,314
Speaker 11: there exactly.

940
00:42:46,393 --> 00:42:51,234
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was than I loved the Hunter and the

941
00:42:51,354 --> 00:42:54,034
Speaker 5: Hunter Hendy, the Austin Hooper touchdown like a little I

942
00:42:54,034 --> 00:42:55,514
Speaker 5: don't know if it was like an over a sale

943
00:42:56,074 --> 00:42:58,513
Speaker 5: sale route you got it, if it wasn't al route.

944
00:42:58,834 --> 00:43:01,274
Speaker 5: I mean, there were so many guys in the same spot.

945
00:43:01,314 --> 00:43:03,873
Speaker 5: I wasn't really sure exactly what it was, but I like,

946
00:43:04,433 --> 00:43:04,873
Speaker 5: I liked that.

947
00:43:05,354 --> 00:43:07,433
Speaker 3: Can I use the word something for sale?

948
00:43:07,473 --> 00:43:09,433
Speaker 11: A lot of people go, yeah, no, Look, it's a

949
00:43:09,433 --> 00:43:12,354
Speaker 11: good concept against the coverage because they know they're gonna

950
00:43:12,433 --> 00:43:15,074
Speaker 11: play some sort of single high safety because that's what

951
00:43:15,354 --> 00:43:17,594
Speaker 11: the Colts play all the time, and so you're just

952
00:43:17,594 --> 00:43:19,913
Speaker 11: flooding that sideline, right, You're gonna run the vertical and

953
00:43:20,034 --> 00:43:23,114
Speaker 11: the sale route fells in underneath it, and usually that

954
00:43:23,194 --> 00:43:25,594
Speaker 11: sale route should should be open. If not, then you

955
00:43:25,634 --> 00:43:27,194
Speaker 11: just throw the check down in the flat to the

956
00:43:27,274 --> 00:43:29,754
Speaker 11: running back. So that's like a three level read for

957
00:43:29,834 --> 00:43:32,434
Speaker 11: the quarterback and it's wide open. They had another play

958
00:43:32,714 --> 00:43:35,314
Speaker 11: to Austin Hooper that I put on Twitter where you know,

959
00:43:35,433 --> 00:43:39,473
Speaker 11: really nice scheme where Pop Douglas comes behind Drake May

960
00:43:39,514 --> 00:43:41,794
Speaker 11: in an orbit or satellite motion and then he fakes

961
00:43:41,794 --> 00:43:44,073
Speaker 11: the toss out to Pop Douglas and throws it left

962
00:43:44,794 --> 00:43:47,514
Speaker 11: off that play action fake. So they actually wheel Remandra

963
00:43:47,674 --> 00:43:50,074
Speaker 11: out of the backfield and use Douglas as like the

964
00:43:50,114 --> 00:43:52,553
Speaker 11: play action fake. You know, a lot of motion, a

965
00:43:52,554 --> 00:43:55,513
Speaker 11: lot of misdirection against his own defense is how you

966
00:43:55,554 --> 00:43:57,794
Speaker 11: take down that kind of coverage because you know their

967
00:43:57,834 --> 00:44:00,433
Speaker 11: eyes are going to be on the quarterback in the backfield,

968
00:44:00,514 --> 00:44:04,393
Speaker 11: so you just you know, create chaos, a lot of misdirection,

969
00:44:04,473 --> 00:44:07,553
Speaker 11: a lot of motion, things like that. They motioned a

970
00:44:07,554 --> 00:44:10,513
Speaker 11: ton in this game. Twenty times they use motion at

971
00:44:10,514 --> 00:44:13,314
Speaker 11: the snap, which was a season high. So they did.

972
00:44:13,393 --> 00:44:14,913
Speaker 11: They did a bunch of really nice things in this

973
00:44:14,953 --> 00:44:15,714
Speaker 11: game offensively.

974
00:44:15,794 --> 00:44:17,794
Speaker 8: Do you think that this is more related to the

975
00:44:17,794 --> 00:44:19,393
Speaker 8: Colts or do you think this is a sign of

976
00:44:19,794 --> 00:44:22,314
Speaker 8: the offensive coaching staff hearing the calls for we need

977
00:44:22,354 --> 00:44:23,754
Speaker 8: to be more creative, we need to mix it up

978
00:44:23,754 --> 00:44:25,073
Speaker 8: a little bit, and them evol.

979
00:44:25,314 --> 00:44:28,434
Speaker 3: I think they're they're getting more confident, so they're building

980
00:44:29,433 --> 00:44:32,073
Speaker 3: the pages in the playbook, you know, as Drake May,

981
00:44:32,754 --> 00:44:35,074
Speaker 3: you know, gets better every week. I think they're opening

982
00:44:35,154 --> 00:44:39,754
Speaker 3: up and adding, you know, a little bit to his repertoire. Yeah,

983
00:44:39,794 --> 00:44:43,993
Speaker 3: so it's funny though you mentioned Hunter Henry earlier. They

984
00:44:43,994 --> 00:44:47,634
Speaker 3: were playing Zoe's call on the Hunter Henry interception, you know,

985
00:44:47,714 --> 00:44:49,754
Speaker 3: the one where we all said, you know, if the

986
00:44:50,114 --> 00:44:51,993
Speaker 3: throw it ben to the other shoulder, it would have

987
00:44:52,034 --> 00:44:53,993
Speaker 3: been easier to catch. And it was a little bit

988
00:44:54,034 --> 00:44:56,794
Speaker 3: on Drake May. You should have heard Zoe, you can't

989
00:44:56,794 --> 00:45:00,154
Speaker 3: throw the ball any better than that. I mean that

990
00:45:00,354 --> 00:45:01,674
Speaker 3: was literally what he said.

991
00:45:02,354 --> 00:45:06,433
Speaker 5: Listen, it's ridiculously unlucky. Yeah, the play ended up being

992
00:45:06,473 --> 00:45:11,794
Speaker 5: an interception, but it wasn't perfect, and they got like, yeah,

993
00:45:11,873 --> 00:45:14,674
Speaker 5: it's a little on Hunter Henry, it's a little on

994
00:45:14,913 --> 00:45:16,514
Speaker 5: Drake Man. Yeah, I mean it happens.

995
00:45:16,594 --> 00:45:18,473
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's a little bit of faults for making that game.

996
00:45:18,514 --> 00:45:21,754
Speaker 5: But yeah, and they were there like you were slightly

997
00:45:21,834 --> 00:45:24,234
Speaker 5: off target with you throw, you didn't deserve to get

998
00:45:24,354 --> 00:45:27,393
Speaker 5: an line pick out of it. But like, my god,

999
00:45:27,433 --> 00:45:30,113
Speaker 5: that's another one I heard about on Twitter. I wake

1000
00:45:30,194 --> 00:45:30,834
Speaker 5: up Monday morning.

1001
00:45:30,834 --> 00:45:33,393
Speaker 3: I was like, But the other thing, though said is.

1002
00:45:33,554 --> 00:45:35,914
Speaker 11: I don't know, like he is not waking up Monday morning.

1003
00:45:38,074 --> 00:45:40,234
Speaker 3: That was much better when I was still the other

1004
00:45:40,274 --> 00:45:42,114
Speaker 3: thing so said, in the moment, it's like he's on

1005
00:45:42,194 --> 00:45:44,913
Speaker 3: his back. Why is any down because he never has

1006
00:45:45,074 --> 00:45:46,274
Speaker 3: never even close.

1007
00:45:46,074 --> 00:45:48,433
Speaker 11: To catching I will defend Zoe just a little bit

1008
00:45:48,514 --> 00:45:51,274
Speaker 11: like watching it live like then when you watch it

1009
00:45:51,354 --> 00:45:54,714
Speaker 11: back ten times on a replay, Yes, it was live call.

1010
00:45:54,754 --> 00:45:56,553
Speaker 11: You know, maybe it's a little bit different, but yeah,

1011
00:45:56,554 --> 00:45:57,953
Speaker 11: I thought the ball it was a little bit.

1012
00:45:58,034 --> 00:46:01,113
Speaker 5: He never had a little bit to the inside which

1013
00:46:01,154 --> 00:46:04,953
Speaker 5: allowed I think it was Zayre Franklin forty to get

1014
00:46:04,953 --> 00:46:07,393
Speaker 5: that ball in. You might have gotten a hand on it.

1015
00:46:07,634 --> 00:46:09,473
Speaker 11: Yeah, you can see it clear. You can see it

1016
00:46:09,514 --> 00:46:12,074
Speaker 11: clear his day on the end zone view that Henry

1017
00:46:12,114 --> 00:46:14,194
Speaker 11: Actually it's his right hand that kind of has to

1018
00:46:14,234 --> 00:46:16,354
Speaker 11: reach out his right hand like this to try to

1019
00:46:16,393 --> 00:46:19,433
Speaker 11: bring the ball back in and if he fronky catches it, yeah,

1020
00:46:20,114 --> 00:46:21,953
Speaker 11: if he hits him on between the eight and the five.

1021
00:46:21,994 --> 00:46:25,993
Speaker 3: It's a touchdown, right, all right, My foot's here, so

1022
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Speaker 7: I'm in the right, yeah right, yeah, yeah, what's up man?

1060
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Speaker 7: Thank you for joining us, Thank you for having me.

1061
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Speaker 13: It's an honor for us to How is you here?

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Speaker 13: And you know if those don't know you're from the

1064
00:48:34,834 --> 00:48:35,473
Speaker 13: Boston area.

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Speaker 7: I am. I grew up in Winchester, graduated from Winchester High.

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Speaker 7: I'm a Sachem yep, yep. I went to Boston College

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Speaker 7: as well. And so you're an Eagle in right, right, Yeah,

1068
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Speaker 7: we have to be. Yeah, big game yesterday.

1069
00:48:48,953 --> 00:48:51,234
Speaker 13: Yeah, so you're a Patriots fan.

1070
00:48:51,473 --> 00:48:53,553
Speaker 7: Huge Patriots fan. Absolutely.

1071
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Speaker 13: Who was your favorite player as you were growing up

1072
00:48:55,634 --> 00:48:56,434
Speaker 13: in the area, Coach.

1073
00:48:56,433 --> 00:48:59,634
Speaker 7: I mean, it's an it's an easy answer, but Brady, right,

1074
00:48:59,674 --> 00:49:00,194
Speaker 7: I mean.

1075
00:49:00,433 --> 00:49:02,354
Speaker 13: But if we take that one away, take Brady.

1076
00:49:02,114 --> 00:49:07,314
Speaker 7: Away, I'd probably go with Randy Moss. You know, uh yeah,

1077
00:49:07,314 --> 00:49:10,993
Speaker 7: it really was, you know, being almost pretty much almost undefeated,

1078
00:49:11,034 --> 00:49:14,394
Speaker 7: well undefeated, but the whole season. Yeah, great, great season

1079
00:49:14,433 --> 00:49:15,794
Speaker 7: for sure, great season for sure.

1080
00:49:17,194 --> 00:49:20,593
Speaker 13: Is there a favorite Patriot memory that you can think

1081
00:49:20,634 --> 00:49:23,073
Speaker 13: of when you were growing up? Like the one thing

1082
00:49:23,234 --> 00:49:25,714
Speaker 13: we were so spoiled with it was an irishman and

1083
00:49:25,834 --> 00:49:28,393
Speaker 13: riches for almost twenty years or twenty years plus. Yeah,

1084
00:49:28,393 --> 00:49:31,433
Speaker 13: what was your favorite memory during this whole run?

1085
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Speaker 3: Yeah?

1086
00:49:32,034 --> 00:49:33,634
Speaker 7: I feel like I'm just giving you like the most

1087
00:49:33,634 --> 00:49:36,314
Speaker 7: easy and basic answers. But being down twenty eight to

1088
00:49:36,354 --> 00:49:38,354
Speaker 7: three in the Super Bowl. Actually, my friend and I

1089
00:49:38,393 --> 00:49:41,554
Speaker 7: live streamed us watching the show or watching the game

1090
00:49:42,034 --> 00:49:46,874
Speaker 7: and just being down. Everyone like when you're on top,

1091
00:49:47,514 --> 00:49:49,594
Speaker 7: everyone wants to see you lose for some reason, and

1092
00:49:49,594 --> 00:49:51,873
Speaker 7: they don't want to appreciate what greatness is. I'm like,

1093
00:49:51,913 --> 00:49:53,993
Speaker 7: you should be appreciating what we're seeing right now, like

1094
00:49:54,034 --> 00:49:56,393
Speaker 7: Brady in his prime, Like we should be appreciating it's,

1095
00:49:56,433 --> 00:49:58,234
Speaker 7: not hating on it. And I'm you know, we're down

1096
00:49:58,234 --> 00:50:00,473
Speaker 7: twenty eight three, and I'm getting all these texts from

1097
00:50:00,473 --> 00:50:02,914
Speaker 7: all my college friends and they're just they're not even

1098
00:50:03,473 --> 00:50:05,993
Speaker 7: Falcons fans, but they just want to hate on us,

1099
00:50:06,074 --> 00:50:08,634
Speaker 7: you know. So then just to see us like come

1100
00:50:08,714 --> 00:50:12,354
Speaker 7: back and to win and Edelman making that incredible catch,

1101
00:50:12,473 --> 00:50:15,234
Speaker 7: like how did this happen? The greatest comeback in the

1102
00:50:15,354 --> 00:50:18,033
Speaker 7: history of sports and it happened to us, and like

1103
00:50:18,074 --> 00:50:20,634
Speaker 7: solidified if you didn't think that Brady was the greatest

1104
00:50:20,834 --> 00:50:23,913
Speaker 7: at that point, like he was after that game, you know,

1105
00:50:23,953 --> 00:50:25,193
Speaker 7: to be able to come back, because it was also

1106
00:50:25,514 --> 00:50:25,954
Speaker 7: just crazy.

1107
00:50:26,034 --> 00:50:28,714
Speaker 13: You've convinced me in less than three minutes that you

1108
00:50:28,714 --> 00:50:30,473
Speaker 13: can handle yourself in a bar if you want to

1109
00:50:30,473 --> 00:50:30,913
Speaker 13: debate the.

1110
00:50:30,834 --> 00:50:33,874
Speaker 7: Patriots, Come on, man, all right, bro, I've had several dues,

1111
00:50:34,114 --> 00:50:37,434
Speaker 7: and I just don't understand why people like don't want

1112
00:50:37,473 --> 00:50:40,194
Speaker 7: to see people win, right, It's so weird to me.

1113
00:50:40,274 --> 00:50:42,754
Speaker 7: It's so bizarre, right, Like the chiefs are kind of

1114
00:50:42,834 --> 00:50:43,794
Speaker 7: experiencing that right.

1115
00:50:43,634 --> 00:50:45,633
Speaker 13: Now, question right, like people interesting to watch.

1116
00:50:49,034 --> 00:50:51,634
Speaker 7: It's just wild how that happens? Man, Like, what do

1117
00:50:51,714 --> 00:50:54,553
Speaker 7: they say? You're you know, you live long enough as

1118
00:50:54,594 --> 00:50:56,074
Speaker 7: the good guy to become the bad guy. That's not

1119
00:50:56,114 --> 00:50:58,033
Speaker 7: the quote, but you know what, that's the sentiment, right,

1120
00:50:58,034 --> 00:50:58,953
Speaker 7: it's pretty wild.

1121
00:50:59,554 --> 00:51:01,754
Speaker 13: So besides being here at Let's Dame today to watch

1122
00:51:01,754 --> 00:51:03,473
Speaker 13: the Patriots take on the Colts, one of the reasons

1123
00:51:03,554 --> 00:51:05,314
Speaker 13: is Kofi is here to promote the Monday Night Raw

1124
00:51:05,354 --> 00:51:09,514
Speaker 13: at the Garden in just over two weeks on six sixteenth.

1125
00:51:09,873 --> 00:51:11,873
Speaker 13: That's right, yeah, tell us about that.

1126
00:51:11,913 --> 00:51:15,234
Speaker 7: Monday Night Raw is always spectacular And as you guys know,

1127
00:51:15,433 --> 00:51:18,674
Speaker 7: like the fans in New England and Boston are the

1128
00:51:18,714 --> 00:51:21,393
Speaker 7: greatest fans in the world, so passionate, you know, we

1129
00:51:21,473 --> 00:51:23,834
Speaker 7: have so many like what we do is we win, right,

1130
00:51:23,873 --> 00:51:26,754
Speaker 7: we want to see winning happens. So if you want

1131
00:51:26,754 --> 00:51:29,473
Speaker 7: to win yourself, then you come to a WWE show. Like,

1132
00:51:30,034 --> 00:51:32,713
Speaker 7: if you hate fun, then don't come. If you don't

1133
00:51:32,754 --> 00:51:34,553
Speaker 7: like fun, then don't come to the show, because it's

1134
00:51:34,554 --> 00:51:38,073
Speaker 7: an amazing show. It's like super fun. There's like big

1135
00:51:38,194 --> 00:51:41,394
Speaker 7: pyrotechnics everywhere, the loud music. It's like a rock concert.

1136
00:51:41,393 --> 00:51:44,834
Speaker 7: You get to see incredible athletes doing incredibly athletic things.

1137
00:51:44,994 --> 00:51:46,953
Speaker 7: You cheer for the guys that you love, you boo

1138
00:51:47,034 --> 00:51:48,714
Speaker 7: the guys that you hate, and that's all okay. We

1139
00:51:48,754 --> 00:51:51,434
Speaker 7: want you to come and have an experience. So tickets

1140
00:51:51,433 --> 00:51:52,953
Speaker 7: are still available, but they're probably not going to be

1141
00:51:52,994 --> 00:51:54,714
Speaker 7: available for long. So you got to go out there,

1142
00:51:54,953 --> 00:51:56,834
Speaker 7: get your tickets, and come out and be entertained. It's

1143
00:51:56,834 --> 00:51:57,354
Speaker 7: gonna be great.

1144
00:51:57,354 --> 00:51:59,513
Speaker 13: So the easy answer is the Boston guy would be

1145
00:51:59,714 --> 00:52:02,513
Speaker 13: what's the best crowd you've been in front of? And

1146
00:52:02,554 --> 00:52:05,673
Speaker 13: you'd want to say Boston, But because WW is such

1147
00:52:05,714 --> 00:52:10,674
Speaker 13: a huge international event, what's the best crowd KOFEE that

1148
00:52:10,714 --> 00:52:12,953
Speaker 13: you can recall that you've been in front of.

1149
00:52:13,074 --> 00:52:15,674
Speaker 7: So I have two answers for this. We had a

1150
00:52:15,714 --> 00:52:20,113
Speaker 7: show in Santiago, Chile, and we hadn't been there as

1151
00:52:20,154 --> 00:52:24,154
Speaker 7: a company before and South American fans are super super passionate.

1152
00:52:25,314 --> 00:52:27,393
Speaker 7: So we had the one show. It sold out in

1153
00:52:27,433 --> 00:52:30,314
Speaker 7: like five minutes, and then they opened it up for

1154
00:52:30,314 --> 00:52:32,393
Speaker 7: a second night and just to see if it would sell.

1155
00:52:32,473 --> 00:52:35,113
Speaker 7: That also sold out in like fifteen minutes. So as

1156
00:52:35,114 --> 00:52:38,194
Speaker 7: soon as we walked out there, the entire arena just

1157
00:52:38,314 --> 00:52:42,154
Speaker 7: like I've never felt an energy so strong as the

1158
00:52:42,194 --> 00:52:45,873
Speaker 7: fans in Santiago two nights in a row, and we

1159
00:52:45,913 --> 00:52:47,553
Speaker 7: would just go out there and we'd be standing there

1160
00:52:47,594 --> 00:52:49,473
Speaker 7: and people be losing their minds and then you like

1161
00:52:49,514 --> 00:52:53,194
Speaker 7: take one step like whoa, you know, so just crazy,

1162
00:52:53,393 --> 00:52:56,714
Speaker 7: crazy energy the entire night. The second answer, The most

1163
00:52:56,714 --> 00:53:00,474
Speaker 7: interesting place that I've ever wrestled at was in Nime, France.

1164
00:53:00,953 --> 00:53:04,274
Speaker 7: It was in a colisseum, like an actual coliseum where

1165
00:53:04,314 --> 00:53:07,194
Speaker 7: people spilt blood and fought for their lives, and now

1166
00:53:07,234 --> 00:53:09,594
Speaker 7: here we are doing that in our span nex, you know,

1167
00:53:09,994 --> 00:53:11,513
Speaker 7: and we put a ring right in the middle of

1168
00:53:11,594 --> 00:53:15,274
Speaker 7: the stadium, and it was great to just like, you know,

1169
00:53:15,473 --> 00:53:19,393
Speaker 7: do what was being done centuries before. Of course, we

1170
00:53:19,433 --> 00:53:22,074
Speaker 7: got to leave with our lives, so it was a

1171
00:53:22,074 --> 00:53:25,154
Speaker 7: beneficial time for us, but very unique. I've been so experienced,

1172
00:53:25,154 --> 00:53:28,074
Speaker 7: so fortunate to be able to experience so many different

1173
00:53:28,114 --> 00:53:31,513
Speaker 7: cultures and travel the world and just you know, the

1174
00:53:31,594 --> 00:53:34,314
Speaker 7: w W universe is amazing. We have the best fans,

1175
00:53:34,314 --> 00:53:36,794
Speaker 7: the most passionate fans, and it's been an honor to

1176
00:53:36,834 --> 00:53:39,354
Speaker 7: be able to do this for so long at such

1177
00:53:39,354 --> 00:53:39,953
Speaker 7: a high level.

1178
00:53:40,114 --> 00:53:43,234
Speaker 13: We're pleased to be joined by Kofi Kingston, the w WE.

1179
00:53:43,514 --> 00:53:46,033
Speaker 13: Mike and I. I don't know that we have an expertise,

1180
00:53:46,114 --> 00:53:48,194
Speaker 13: but I guess we talk about the Patriots to know

1181
00:53:48,194 --> 00:53:51,474
Speaker 13: a little bit about the Patriots. Specifically for your appearance

1182
00:53:51,473 --> 00:53:58,674
Speaker 13: here today, we brought in our w W E. Do

1183
00:53:58,674 --> 00:54:00,114
Speaker 13: you have a wrestling name.

1184
00:54:00,274 --> 00:54:02,194
Speaker 14: I don't have a wrestling name, but I did the

1185
00:54:02,274 --> 00:54:05,834
Speaker 14: Killer Kowalski School for my buddy's bachelor party.

1186
00:54:06,194 --> 00:54:09,953
Speaker 7: Really, really, what a great place to have a bachelor party.

1187
00:54:09,994 --> 00:54:10,953
Speaker 7: So what did you do when you went?

1188
00:54:11,194 --> 00:54:14,194
Speaker 14: So we got up on top rope, you know, threw

1189
00:54:14,194 --> 00:54:17,554
Speaker 14: some elbows down the ropes. It's if you can picture

1190
00:54:17,634 --> 00:54:19,113
Speaker 14: somebody this big trying to run the ropes.

1191
00:54:20,714 --> 00:54:21,433
Speaker 7: I've seen it.

1192
00:54:21,714 --> 00:54:21,873
Speaker 2: Bro.

1193
00:54:21,994 --> 00:54:25,754
Speaker 7: There's a guy, Brian Malone's he helped train me. He

1194
00:54:25,794 --> 00:54:28,993
Speaker 7: wrestles with Roh every now and again, but legend in

1195
00:54:28,994 --> 00:54:31,873
Speaker 7: the Northeast. I had my last match on the Independence

1196
00:54:31,913 --> 00:54:34,433
Speaker 7: with him and he's a big guy, but an incredible

1197
00:54:34,473 --> 00:54:36,553
Speaker 7: athlete that moves around in ways that he should not

1198
00:54:36,554 --> 00:54:38,954
Speaker 7: be able to move in that size. So I've seen

1199
00:54:38,994 --> 00:54:41,354
Speaker 7: that happen. You know, I've seen guys like yourself do

1200
00:54:41,473 --> 00:54:42,193
Speaker 7: incredible things.

1201
00:54:42,274 --> 00:54:44,314
Speaker 14: I wouldn't call myself an incredible athlete, but I tried.

1202
00:54:45,314 --> 00:54:47,913
Speaker 7: I called you, you know, you know, take the compliment. Yeah, man,

1203
00:54:47,953 --> 00:54:48,234
Speaker 7: come on.

1204
00:54:48,314 --> 00:54:51,274
Speaker 14: So you've done just about everything in the business. You've

1205
00:54:51,314 --> 00:54:52,674
Speaker 14: won a lot of those, right there, A lot of

1206
00:54:52,754 --> 00:54:56,234
Speaker 14: championship bell the titles, Yeah, the big ones obviously when

1207
00:54:56,274 --> 00:54:59,114
Speaker 14: you won the ww Championship, But outside of that, what

1208
00:54:59,154 --> 00:55:01,034
Speaker 14: would you consider your career defining moment?

1209
00:55:01,274 --> 00:55:04,834
Speaker 7: Oh man, this is such a weird question because I

1210
00:55:04,873 --> 00:55:07,274
Speaker 7: feel like I don't like talking about my accolades and

1211
00:55:07,274 --> 00:55:09,714
Speaker 7: I feel like I'm bragging or whatever. But you asked,

1212
00:55:09,834 --> 00:55:11,314
Speaker 7: you know, That's why I'm gonna go ahead and say it.

1213
00:55:11,554 --> 00:55:14,513
Speaker 7: I think the first title that I ever won was

1214
00:55:14,554 --> 00:55:17,714
Speaker 7: the Intercontinental Championship. That was the first title that I

1215
00:55:17,794 --> 00:55:20,993
Speaker 7: ever won, not just in WWE, but also on the

1216
00:55:20,994 --> 00:55:25,794
Speaker 7: independen scene. And to wrestle against someone like Chris Jericho,

1217
00:55:25,873 --> 00:55:29,074
Speaker 7: who is an established legend in our industry and a

1218
00:55:29,114 --> 00:55:31,114
Speaker 7: guy who I looked up to at that time, like,

1219
00:55:31,594 --> 00:55:33,433
Speaker 7: you know, he's the man, he's always been the Man.

1220
00:55:33,674 --> 00:55:36,234
Speaker 7: Shawn Michaels was also involved in that match, And Shawn

1221
00:55:36,234 --> 00:55:38,473
Speaker 7: Michaels is my guy, you know. To me, I've never

1222
00:55:38,473 --> 00:55:40,714
Speaker 7: seen him have a bad match. All the matches that

1223
00:55:40,754 --> 00:55:43,473
Speaker 7: he has had have been great, So for him to

1224
00:55:43,473 --> 00:55:46,354
Speaker 7: be involved, for that to be my first title when

1225
00:55:47,913 --> 00:55:50,113
Speaker 7: it really made me feel like I actually like I'm

1226
00:55:50,154 --> 00:55:52,754
Speaker 7: here now. I made it, you know. And I was

1227
00:55:52,834 --> 00:55:55,473
Speaker 7: so green that when I held the title up and

1228
00:55:55,794 --> 00:55:58,794
Speaker 7: they made like a Tops card of this, I'm holding

1229
00:55:58,834 --> 00:56:02,553
Speaker 7: it like this, yeah, and you know what I mean,

1230
00:56:02,554 --> 00:56:04,114
Speaker 7: like you can't see the plates of the time. This

1231
00:56:04,234 --> 00:56:06,194
Speaker 7: is not how you hold a title up. But I

1232
00:56:06,314 --> 00:56:08,794
Speaker 7: never had the experience before. And sure enough that's the

1233
00:56:08,794 --> 00:56:11,553
Speaker 7: card that they used on like the Tops or whatever

1234
00:56:11,594 --> 00:56:16,314
Speaker 7: whichever company made the card. But yeah, that was something,

1235
00:56:16,354 --> 00:56:18,274
Speaker 7: you know, like this has always been my childhood dream.

1236
00:56:18,274 --> 00:56:20,473
Speaker 7: When I was a kid in Winchester, we'd have all

1237
00:56:20,514 --> 00:56:22,953
Speaker 7: the guys, all the kids in the pit what our

1238
00:56:22,953 --> 00:56:25,634
Speaker 7: neighborhood was called. We would come through my friend. We

1239
00:56:25,634 --> 00:56:28,433
Speaker 7: would have royal rumbles and battle royals, which I don't

1240
00:56:28,433 --> 00:56:30,953
Speaker 7: suggest to any kids to do at home. Don't do that,

1241
00:56:31,393 --> 00:56:34,433
Speaker 7: you know, because it was very dangerous. But we loved wrestling,

1242
00:56:34,473 --> 00:56:38,674
Speaker 7: and I really like envisioned myself being at WrestleMania winning

1243
00:56:38,754 --> 00:56:42,194
Speaker 7: the WWE Championship. So for me to actually have that happen,

1244
00:56:42,634 --> 00:56:46,394
Speaker 7: the term have your dream come true is so cliche,

1245
00:56:46,594 --> 00:56:48,754
Speaker 7: but that to me, like, that's what actually happened. This

1246
00:56:48,794 --> 00:56:50,393
Speaker 7: is all I've ever wanted to do. So I've just

1247
00:56:50,393 --> 00:56:52,993
Speaker 7: been so blessed to be able to be one of

1248
00:56:52,994 --> 00:56:55,234
Speaker 7: the few people on this earth to say that they

1249
00:56:55,234 --> 00:56:57,794
Speaker 7: have lived out their childhood dream and are continuing to

1250
00:56:57,794 --> 00:57:00,673
Speaker 7: live out their childhood dreams. So it's been a while

1251
00:57:00,794 --> 00:57:01,754
Speaker 7: ride that's awesome.

1252
00:57:01,794 --> 00:57:03,274
Speaker 8: Well, Kofe, I had to reach out, you know, I

1253
00:57:03,274 --> 00:57:06,314
Speaker 8: told you Meg Morant used to work. Yeah, you know,

1254
00:57:06,393 --> 00:57:08,593
Speaker 8: she's a pro, so I figured i'd reach out to her.

1255
00:57:08,674 --> 00:57:12,593
Speaker 8: So she scripted me a question. Oh wwemo out here

1256
00:57:12,594 --> 00:57:14,634
Speaker 8: for a second. If you I'll do my best Meg Morant,

1257
00:57:14,634 --> 00:57:16,914
Speaker 8: but a right this week is the new day is

1258
00:57:16,994 --> 00:57:19,114
Speaker 8: ten year anniversary, wouldn't you know it? He and his

1259
00:57:19,154 --> 00:57:21,593
Speaker 8: best friend, slash tag team partner, have not been able

1260
00:57:21,674 --> 00:57:24,874
Speaker 8: to get on the same page for the past few months,

1261
00:57:25,034 --> 00:57:27,274
Speaker 8: and last night on Raw Woods crossed the line bringing

1262
00:57:27,354 --> 00:57:29,194
Speaker 8: up how Kofe Menia has ended.

1263
00:57:29,434 --> 00:57:31,314
Speaker 6: How does Kofi forgive him.

1264
00:57:31,474 --> 00:57:33,514
Speaker 8: I mean, these two got to get it together before

1265
00:57:33,554 --> 00:57:34,434
Speaker 8: their big anniversary.

1266
00:57:34,514 --> 00:57:37,634
Speaker 7: This is crazy. Meg Murran, my good friend, the person

1267
00:57:37,634 --> 00:57:42,354
Speaker 7: who I'd say I told her she's just an amazing person,

1268
00:57:42,754 --> 00:57:45,194
Speaker 7: and she gives me the hardest hitting question. I was

1269
00:57:45,234 --> 00:57:47,073
Speaker 7: hoping to come here and i'd have to talk about that.

1270
00:57:47,194 --> 00:57:52,234
Speaker 7: But yeah, Xavier Woods, he and I have been butting

1271
00:57:52,274 --> 00:57:54,714
Speaker 7: heads as of late. But you know, families, that's what

1272
00:57:54,714 --> 00:57:57,794
Speaker 7: they do. Anybody with siblings knows that at some point

1273
00:57:57,794 --> 00:58:00,633
Speaker 7: in time you're gonna butt heads. Unfortunately for us, it's

1274
00:58:00,674 --> 00:58:04,034
Speaker 7: kind of unfolding on television. We have our tenure anniversary

1275
00:58:04,434 --> 00:58:08,914
Speaker 7: which is on Monday on RAW, and I don't know

1276
00:58:08,954 --> 00:58:11,394
Speaker 7: what's going to happen. It's one of the first times

1277
00:58:11,434 --> 00:58:13,594
Speaker 7: that like, I really have no idea what's going to

1278
00:58:13,634 --> 00:58:15,394
Speaker 7: happen with the celebration is going to be. Like, we

1279
00:58:15,474 --> 00:58:17,794
Speaker 7: have been a group for ten years and we've never

1280
00:58:17,874 --> 00:58:20,274
Speaker 7: been into a fight, We've never had an argument. But

1281
00:58:20,394 --> 00:58:22,634
Speaker 7: over the past few months we've been butting heads a

1282
00:58:22,634 --> 00:58:26,314
Speaker 7: little bit, and last week things got pretty intense. After

1283
00:58:26,354 --> 00:58:29,474
Speaker 7: our match. We were screaming at each other as soon

1284
00:58:29,474 --> 00:58:31,874
Speaker 7: as we got backstage and saying some pretty terrible and

1285
00:58:31,954 --> 00:58:37,034
Speaker 7: dacardly things to each other. But you know, uh, it

1286
00:58:37,554 --> 00:58:40,834
Speaker 7: was what it was, and uh, I guess we'll figure

1287
00:58:40,834 --> 00:58:43,954
Speaker 7: out what happens on Monday.

1288
00:58:45,554 --> 00:58:51,634
Speaker 13: Yeah, you know you mentioned television and.

1289
00:58:49,634 --> 00:58:51,794
Speaker 11: And now great moments in.

1290
00:58:53,994 --> 00:58:57,073
Speaker 5: History. If you say he's a friend of Eric, isn't

1291
00:58:57,114 --> 00:59:00,674
Speaker 5: that proper? Isn't a friend of Eric's redundant? If he

1292
00:59:00,714 --> 00:59:03,194
Speaker 5: belongs to Eric? That's what the OV means. It's possessive.

1293
00:59:03,514 --> 00:59:05,634
Speaker 5: So why do we get involve Eric's.

1294
00:59:05,514 --> 00:59:07,794
Speaker 8: That's a good one, Like you don't you know it's

1295
00:59:07,834 --> 00:59:10,554
Speaker 8: friend Eric's friend would be proper.

1296
00:59:10,554 --> 00:59:12,474
Speaker 5: But if you say he's a friend of Eric, that's

1297
00:59:12,514 --> 00:59:15,354
Speaker 5: also proper. Now, yes, but a lot of people say

1298
00:59:15,394 --> 00:59:18,434
Speaker 5: he's a friend of Eric's, right, I don't. I don't

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Speaker 5: know that I'm right. I don't know that I'm right

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Speaker 5: about that one. So I'm not being a friend of Eric, right,

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Speaker 5: That's how I don't. That's how I would righty.

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Speaker 8: Grammar deep diving ap parillo English, I know very specific.

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Speaker 5: I know you just got on a blog and just

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00:59:33,634 --> 00:59:35,634
Speaker 5: wrote on your own. Some of us had to go

1305
00:59:35,674 --> 00:59:41,474
Speaker 5: to college and learn how to do it. Per elitism

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Speaker 5: not very good one.

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Speaker 2: But that's another great moment from.

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Speaker 3: All right back here on Patriots Unfiltered eight fivey five

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00:59:50,114 --> 00:59:52,474
Speaker 3: past five hundred is the TPX hotline.

1310
00:59:52,514 --> 00:59:54,794
Speaker 5: Was manning the Holy Cross power play.

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Speaker 7: He wasn't a journalism class.

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Speaker 3: That's the second thank you podcast at email. I like that.

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Speaker 3: That was early in Mike's tenure, when Paul was still

1314
01:00:03,354 --> 01:00:04,514
Speaker 3: upset that I hired.

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Speaker 11: A blog.

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Speaker 6: And now look at us.

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Speaker 5: I was very much instrumental in Mike's hired Were you

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Speaker 5: you not so much? I know that that is not true,

1319
01:00:17,594 --> 01:00:21,673
Speaker 5: that is not true an interview too, But Mike did

1320
01:00:21,714 --> 01:00:24,034
Speaker 5: more work on you than I did. I did a

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Speaker 5: lot of work. Ye it's Fred or you were?

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Speaker 6: You were on my hockey dB page checking.

1323
01:00:27,954 --> 01:00:30,073
Speaker 5: My sophomore status like what happened sophomore year?

1324
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Speaker 3: I'm like, what is this guy? I liked you?

1325
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Speaker 5: Like when you came in and did that that radio

1326
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Speaker 5: show I took. I didn't realize.

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Speaker 6: Why I think what I did.

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Speaker 3: I was glad I did.

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Speaker 8: When I did that radio presser, I started an argument

1330
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Speaker 8: between you guys because I went right in with this

1331
01:00:44,594 --> 01:00:46,954
Speaker 8: like takes and you guys started get into it, and

1332
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Speaker 8: I was like, oh, I think this is good. Like

1333
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Speaker 8: these guys are taking something I said and running with it.

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Speaker 6: You know that was that was good?

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Speaker 5: What's coming on?

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Speaker 6: I didn't realize how easy it was, though everybody thought

1337
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Speaker 6: I was.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of each other. That's a good segment.

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Speaker 5: A lot of people have said that. Yeah, yeah, buddy,

1340
01:01:00,154 --> 01:01:01,914
Speaker 5: Andy Hart said, how long is it going to take

1341
01:01:01,914 --> 01:01:02,673
Speaker 5: you to fight him?

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Speaker 11: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I've mellowed BB in New Hampshire writes, and I'm a

1344
01:01:06,834 --> 01:01:09,874
Speaker 3: new listener as of this season thanks to my boyfriend

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01:01:09,914 --> 01:01:14,113
Speaker 3: converting me. I've come to realize though, that he and

1346
01:01:14,154 --> 01:01:17,834
Speaker 3: I have Paul verus Fred arguments. We'll be talking Patriots

1347
01:01:17,834 --> 01:01:20,834
Speaker 3: and switch off on who's who. Sometimes I'll assume the

1348
01:01:20,834 --> 01:01:24,314
Speaker 3: Fred roll, asking pointed questions and challenging him on semantics

1349
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Speaker 3: to pin down a opinion to hopefully later prove him wrong.

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01:01:27,834 --> 01:01:30,354
Speaker 3: And sometimes he'll assume the Paul role as more of

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Speaker 3: a stubborn katrarian who can't understand how anyone could be

1352
01:01:33,634 --> 01:01:36,594
Speaker 3: so dumb as to disagree with him. The funny part

1353
01:01:36,634 --> 01:01:39,354
Speaker 3: is that we always come to the so we agree conclusion,

1354
01:01:39,914 --> 01:01:42,474
Speaker 3: but managed to spend twenty minutes arguing as if we

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Speaker 3: aren't on the same side. He loves you, guys, and

1356
01:01:45,074 --> 01:01:47,354
Speaker 3: turns twenty seven on the twelve. So please, if you

1357
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Speaker 3: read this, wish Joe in New Hampshire a happy birthday.

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Speaker 3: Thank you guys for the endless entertainment. So Joe, Happy birthday, Joe,

1359
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Speaker 3: early birthday.

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Speaker 5: You guys are doing it right, good job.

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Speaker 8: I don't congratulations if you're winning arguments with your girlfriend too,

1362
01:02:00,954 --> 01:02:03,034
Speaker 8: like you're walking away peacefully from those like most argument.

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Speaker 8: That doesn't sound like most couple arguments.

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Speaker 6: I know of life.

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Speaker 5: I'm a friend. I'm the friend of arguing when I

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Speaker 5: argue with that.

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Speaker 11: Even if you're right, though you're wrong, you know it

1368
01:02:14,554 --> 01:02:14,994
Speaker 11: just counting.

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Speaker 6: You're just holding out until you're ready to say sorry.

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Speaker 5: And while we're on the just stop this.

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Speaker 3: While we're on the girlfriend whose boyfriends are big fans theme,

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Speaker 3: Julia right Sin. I wanted to reach out because my

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01:02:28,594 --> 01:02:32,674
Speaker 3: boyfriend Cameron absolutely loves the Patriots and your podcast. To

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Speaker 3: be honest, I've never been interested in sports, but after

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01:02:35,154 --> 01:02:38,274
Speaker 3: meeting my boyfriend, I began to learn more and more.

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Speaker 3: You guys have been a huge help and are so

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Speaker 3: fun to listen to. Fred, You're hilarious. Thank you. I

1378
01:02:44,634 --> 01:02:46,234
Speaker 3: was wondering if you could give a shout out to

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Speaker 3: Cameron Fox of Brockport, New York, for being an awesome

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Speaker 3: guy and a loyal Patriots fan. It would mean the world.

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Speaker 3: All right, camera fans, this is for you.

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Speaker 5: Awesome.

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Speaker 3: You've got a great girlfriend, she's got good taste and shows.

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01:03:01,834 --> 01:03:04,434
Speaker 3: I don't know about you, but shows for sure.

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Speaker 11: I'm not no.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, all right, So we're bringing people together, bringing couples together.

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Speaker 8: People could do like one of those things where they

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Speaker 8: have all the people that got married because of Patriots

1389
01:03:15,194 --> 01:03:16,954
Speaker 8: on filter and you'll have them all together for a party.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I count sure. Oh, I'm pretty sure that that's

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Speaker 11: not true. No, not at all.

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Speaker 5: We'll go with it though.

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Speaker 3: All right, so let's turn to our callers on the

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Speaker 3: TPX hotline. We've been, as No Socks would say, patiently

1395
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Speaker 3: standing by.

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Speaker 8: No Socks dropped the MESH concept today.

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Speaker 10: We were waiting for you, like, No Socks, don't talk

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01:03:38,994 --> 01:03:39,914
Speaker 10: scheme until Mesh.

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Speaker 6: I don't think it was crazy.

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Speaker 11: I'm not saying this about No Socks because his football

1401
01:03:46,394 --> 01:03:49,514
Speaker 11: knowledge is fantastic, but apparently we're not ready to have

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Speaker 11: the conversation of what mesh actually is and looks like

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01:03:53,114 --> 01:03:56,074
Speaker 11: because you know, everybody, the spacing is horrible. Every single

1404
01:03:56,074 --> 01:04:01,514
Speaker 11: time you run mesh I digress. It drives me nuts. Okay,

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01:04:02,434 --> 01:04:06,194
Speaker 11: just like it's a crossing concept. They're supposed to intersect,

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01:04:06,434 --> 01:04:09,314
Speaker 11: they're supposed to cross, So if you freeze the frame

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Speaker 11: where they're crossing, then yes, they are on top of

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Speaker 11: each other, because that's the point of the concept.

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Speaker 3: He's like a math a calculus professor trying to teach

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Speaker 3: it to like third grader.

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Speaker 6: It's like, it's not hard.

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01:04:22,794 --> 01:04:25,834
Speaker 3: I don't you understand because we're hangover.

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01:04:25,994 --> 01:04:29,234
Speaker 5: When when Zach Galafanarkus is doing the blackjack and all

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Speaker 5: the things are going.

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Speaker 3: Right right, a beautiful.

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Speaker 13: Mind funny because he's fat.

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Speaker 3: Let's go to Christian in Virginia. What's up Christian?

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Speaker 15: Hey, guys, how's it going on?

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01:04:44,674 --> 01:04:46,554
Speaker 3: Hey? Pretty good?

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Speaker 16: I guess I'm in the same boat as spread Uh.

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Speaker 16: With that, I always feel like this is gonna be

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Speaker 16: the week, and I'm always a little bit disappointed. But

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Speaker 16: I will say my optimism is carrying on. The Jets

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01:05:00,714 --> 01:05:03,834
Speaker 16: are having a horrible season, and we're probably gonna have

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Speaker 16: a pretty good pick. And on top of that, I

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Speaker 16: feel like the dread of having a high pick is

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Speaker 16: a little bit less now that Bill isn't picking stuff.

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Speaker 3: Oh there you go, good Christian. Thanks for ohtay, Okay,

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Speaker 3: thanks for the call. No, I every week I think

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01:05:22,874 --> 01:05:25,673
Speaker 3: this is the week they're gonna hit thirty. They haven't

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Speaker 3: been able to.

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Speaker 5: Well, this was a good pick. I have to be

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Speaker 5: honest with you. You picked thirty one and they had

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Speaker 5: twenty four, and they had more than ample opportunity to

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Speaker 5: make it thirty one.

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Speaker 6: Okay, you need a blanket.

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01:05:35,594 --> 01:05:38,834
Speaker 3: You got your hands, so say I was onto something.

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Speaker 5: I just gave you your props. I gave you your

1439
01:05:41,914 --> 01:05:42,354
Speaker 5: flow up.

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Speaker 11: I won't bog down the show on draft talk. We're

1441
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Speaker 11: going to do draft talk on Catch twenty two on Thursday.

1442
01:05:48,034 --> 01:05:51,034
Speaker 11: Oh wait, you can listen to that there if you want.

1443
01:05:51,594 --> 01:05:55,474
Speaker 11: Last year a fantastic year to stink. This year it's

1444
01:05:55,594 --> 01:05:57,954
Speaker 11: not shaping up to be such a great year to stink.

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Speaker 11: So just to keep that in mind about the Patriots

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Speaker 11: draft pick.

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Speaker 3: Not being a good year to stink. So, in other words,

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Speaker 3: it's not a deep draft.

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Speaker 11: No, it's not a very good draft period.

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01:06:07,954 --> 01:06:11,474
Speaker 3: Really, why do you think that is? Like the after

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01:06:11,514 --> 01:06:13,874
Speaker 3: effects of COVID, A lot of guys have come out

1452
01:06:14,594 --> 01:06:15,514
Speaker 3: they didn't you know, like.

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Speaker 11: I didn't think of it that way. I don't know.

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Speaker 11: I haven't really thought about it. I think some years

1455
01:06:19,394 --> 01:06:21,514
Speaker 11: are better than others. This year reminds me a lot

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01:06:21,594 --> 01:06:24,073
Speaker 11: of the twenty twenty two draft, where there was Kenny

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01:06:24,074 --> 01:06:26,994
Speaker 11: Pickett was the only first round quarterback. You know, Aiden

1458
01:06:27,034 --> 01:06:29,714
Speaker 11: Hutchinson comes out of that draft, Sauce Gardner. You know,

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Speaker 11: there are good players in every draft, right Like, I'm

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01:06:32,114 --> 01:06:35,194
Speaker 11: not saying that every guy is gonna stink. But last year,

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Speaker 11: in my mind, there were seven blue chip prospects at

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Speaker 11: the top of the draft. The three quarterbacks Joe alt

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Speaker 11: Brock Bauers, Marvin Harrison, Junior Molik Neighbors. This draft, I

1464
01:06:46,154 --> 01:06:46,994
Speaker 11: don't know if there's one.

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Speaker 3: Don't care about that as much I care about the

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Speaker 3: depth of the draft, because even if you are at

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Speaker 3: the top of the draft like the Patriots are, there's

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01:06:55,034 --> 01:06:57,874
Speaker 3: only you're lucky to get that one blue chip guy.

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Speaker 3: It's the rest of the picks that I'm more concerned about.

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Speaker 11: I hear you, if you have to hit on three

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01:07:02,674 --> 01:07:06,234
Speaker 11: picks at least, But this last year, based off of

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Speaker 11: what we've seen so far, I think you could make

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01:07:08,674 --> 01:07:11,073
Speaker 11: the case that all seven of those guys are going

1474
01:07:11,114 --> 01:07:13,554
Speaker 11: to be hits, like Caleb will see if the Bears

1475
01:07:13,554 --> 01:07:15,073
Speaker 11: get their no, but we're only going to be able

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01:07:15,074 --> 01:07:15,994
Speaker 11: to get one of them, right.

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Speaker 5: But can I just interject here for sure, let's just

1478
01:07:20,674 --> 01:07:23,874
Speaker 5: use apples to apples. So if you have a guy like,

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Speaker 5: let's just say brock Bowers, if he's that much better

1480
01:07:30,034 --> 01:07:33,034
Speaker 5: than everybody else, the next guy might be a pretty

1481
01:07:33,034 --> 01:07:36,234
Speaker 5: good player. But if you don't have that caliber player

1482
01:07:36,234 --> 01:07:39,354
Speaker 5: at the top, correct, it stands to reason that the

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Speaker 5: guys in the ensuing rounds will not be as good

1484
01:07:41,514 --> 01:07:45,914
Speaker 5: as the guys in the ensuing rounds because because down.

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01:07:46,274 --> 01:07:49,354
Speaker 3: Wait about it, it's like that that makes no sense. Listen, listen,

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01:07:49,594 --> 01:07:51,914
Speaker 3: Let's just say brock Bowers tight end. I know who

1487
01:07:51,954 --> 01:07:58,193
Speaker 3: he is. By the way say it. Let's just say

1488
01:07:58,194 --> 01:08:01,594
Speaker 3: he's a blue chipper. Okay, so there's a separation between

1489
01:08:01,714 --> 01:08:04,914
Speaker 3: him and the rest of the tight ends. That doesn't

1490
01:08:04,954 --> 01:08:07,474
Speaker 3: mean they got worse because he got better.

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01:08:10,114 --> 01:08:13,794
Speaker 5: It's dropping like the best tight end is going to

1492
01:08:13,874 --> 01:08:15,754
Speaker 5: make that. So now the guys that are in the

1493
01:08:15,834 --> 01:08:17,874
Speaker 5: ensuing rounds are not as good.

1494
01:08:18,394 --> 01:08:19,394
Speaker 3: They're not as good as him.

1495
01:08:19,434 --> 01:08:22,114
Speaker 5: It just stands to reason, I'll give you, they're not

1496
01:08:22,194 --> 01:08:23,554
Speaker 5: as good as the guy who's going to be the

1497
01:08:23,634 --> 01:08:26,314
Speaker 5: number one at the position, and that guy is not

1498
01:08:26,354 --> 01:08:27,154
Speaker 5: as good as they've been.

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Speaker 3: But what I'm saying, no, but like, let's just say

1500
01:08:31,554 --> 01:08:34,354
Speaker 3: that they're not as good as him. But let's just

1501
01:08:34,394 --> 01:08:38,073
Speaker 3: say that they're fine in second round talent, they're fine,

1502
01:08:38,474 --> 01:08:39,313
Speaker 3: third round.

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01:08:39,114 --> 01:08:41,994
Speaker 5: Talent, you know, yeah, the best one might be that.

1504
01:08:44,274 --> 01:08:48,794
Speaker 5: Well fine, that's my point is just not as much

1505
01:08:48,874 --> 01:08:49,594
Speaker 5: high end talent.

1506
01:08:49,714 --> 01:08:53,874
Speaker 3: So the talent no, but but drops not well I disagree.

1507
01:08:54,194 --> 01:08:57,274
Speaker 3: My point is that as a Patriots stand right now,

1508
01:08:57,274 --> 01:08:59,394
Speaker 3: we're only gonna get one shot at a first round pick.

1509
01:09:00,034 --> 01:09:02,674
Speaker 3: I'm more concerned with how deep is the rest of

1510
01:09:02,714 --> 01:09:06,314
Speaker 3: the rounds? Is there is there talents spread out on

1511
01:09:06,394 --> 01:09:07,394
Speaker 3: the rest of the draft.

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Speaker 5: They're not going I can't tell you what the whole

1513
01:09:09,914 --> 01:09:12,394
Speaker 5: depth of the draft is. But these guys that talk

1514
01:09:12,434 --> 01:09:13,514
Speaker 5: about it say, no.

1515
01:09:13,634 --> 01:09:15,914
Speaker 3: It's not about Well, that's what I'm That's what I'm

1516
01:09:15,954 --> 01:09:16,674
Speaker 3: more worried about.

1517
01:09:16,834 --> 01:09:19,274
Speaker 11: Yeah, I would just say that. My point was is

1518
01:09:19,314 --> 01:09:23,234
Speaker 11: that you want to if let's they're picking fifth, fourth

1519
01:09:23,274 --> 01:09:25,114
Speaker 11: overall right now, they have the fourth overall pick in

1520
01:09:25,114 --> 01:09:27,514
Speaker 11: the draft, you want to use that pick on somebody

1521
01:09:27,554 --> 01:09:30,234
Speaker 11: who is worthy of the fourth overall pick. Sure, you

1522
01:09:30,274 --> 01:09:32,434
Speaker 11: don't want to just have to pick a guy. And

1523
01:09:32,514 --> 01:09:34,514
Speaker 11: right now, as I'm starting to go through some of

1524
01:09:34,514 --> 01:09:36,834
Speaker 11: these guys, especially on the offensive side of the ball,

1525
01:09:37,754 --> 01:09:39,514
Speaker 11: it kind of feels like you're just gonna have to

1526
01:09:39,594 --> 01:09:41,394
Speaker 11: end up picking somebody because you have to pick.

1527
01:09:41,434 --> 01:09:42,994
Speaker 3: Well, that's a problem. You have to turn into car

1528
01:09:43,114 --> 01:09:45,354
Speaker 3: be able to trade down because everyone sees the same thing, right,

1529
01:09:45,394 --> 01:09:45,994
Speaker 3: and there's.

1530
01:09:45,794 --> 01:09:49,474
Speaker 5: No quarterback quarterback advice you to move on to people.

1531
01:09:49,594 --> 01:09:53,354
Speaker 11: Just to give a tangible example, Ted McMillan from Arizona's

1532
01:09:53,394 --> 01:09:55,754
Speaker 11: nice player. Like, I think he's a nice player. I

1533
01:09:56,034 --> 01:09:57,834
Speaker 11: probably would have had him as like the fourth or

1534
01:09:57,834 --> 01:10:00,794
Speaker 11: fifth receiver in the class last year. So this year

1535
01:10:00,834 --> 01:10:02,754
Speaker 11: he's going to be the first receiver. To give you

1536
01:10:02,754 --> 01:10:06,234
Speaker 11: a peek into the Evan soul. Yeah, So, Mike, can

1537
01:10:06,314 --> 01:10:08,954
Speaker 11: I do the pregame show on Sunday? We come upstairs

1538
01:10:08,954 --> 01:10:12,354
Speaker 11: and it's usually like maybe ten twelve minutes before kickoff.

1539
01:10:12,874 --> 01:10:15,234
Speaker 5: So I walk over and sit down next to Fred.

1540
01:10:15,594 --> 01:10:18,634
Speaker 5: I look at Evan. Evan's got his laptop open. What

1541
01:10:18,754 --> 01:10:25,034
Speaker 5: is he watching Arizona TCU highlights?

1542
01:10:26,594 --> 01:10:28,914
Speaker 11: But he's a nice player, Like I think that, like

1543
01:10:29,234 --> 01:10:31,194
Speaker 11: you know t Higgins, Drake London. I think those are

1544
01:10:31,234 --> 01:10:34,674
Speaker 11: like decent comps for him. But last year he's he's

1545
01:10:34,914 --> 01:10:37,314
Speaker 11: the fourth or fifth guy off the board at that position.

1546
01:10:37,394 --> 01:10:39,634
Speaker 11: This year he's a top ten pick. Like, that's not

1547
01:10:39,674 --> 01:10:41,314
Speaker 11: what you want. You want to just have to take

1548
01:10:41,394 --> 01:10:42,153
Speaker 11: him by default?

1549
01:10:42,234 --> 01:10:45,554
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, you want somebody, So I do want somebody

1550
01:10:45,594 --> 01:10:47,234
Speaker 3: that's worth it because you're paying them a lot.

1551
01:10:47,274 --> 01:10:49,794
Speaker 5: And I know what your point is, like, that doesn't

1552
01:10:49,794 --> 01:10:52,754
Speaker 5: necessarily mean they are on as many you know, the

1553
01:10:52,914 --> 01:10:54,314
Speaker 5: second round, third round guys.

1554
01:10:54,634 --> 01:10:56,834
Speaker 3: If the guys that are the second round talent.

1555
01:10:56,954 --> 01:10:59,594
Speaker 5: My feeling is the second round guys in the past

1556
01:10:59,634 --> 01:11:01,474
Speaker 5: are being taken in the first round when there's no

1557
01:11:01,554 --> 01:11:04,634
Speaker 5: high end talent. Yea, So now the third round guys

1558
01:11:04,634 --> 01:11:06,434
Speaker 5: are second round guys.

1559
01:11:05,914 --> 01:11:07,274
Speaker 3: Unless they were really close.

1560
01:11:07,474 --> 01:11:10,474
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, maybe, but I think that's sort of

1561
01:11:10,474 --> 01:11:12,914
Speaker 5: hard to imagine. That's all I'm this. And again I

1562
01:11:12,954 --> 01:11:14,674
Speaker 5: don't know. I don't know the depth of the draft.

1563
01:11:14,674 --> 01:11:17,234
Speaker 5: I don't. It's not my area of expertise.

1564
01:11:17,274 --> 01:11:19,474
Speaker 11: It's not I'm nowhere near ready to comment on the

1565
01:11:19,514 --> 01:11:21,354
Speaker 11: depth of the draft in terms of the days two

1566
01:11:21,354 --> 01:11:24,354
Speaker 11: and three, but Day one, just again, like you know,

1567
01:11:24,394 --> 01:11:25,754
Speaker 11: I think there's a lot of the town on the

1568
01:11:25,794 --> 01:11:28,714
Speaker 11: defensive side of the ball is decent. You know, some

1569
01:11:28,794 --> 01:11:31,154
Speaker 11: of these guys on offense will be contributors in the league.

1570
01:11:31,194 --> 01:11:32,994
Speaker 11: I'm sure. And maybe I'm wrong and something one of

1571
01:11:32,994 --> 01:11:35,554
Speaker 11: these guys will explode. But in my mind, like Travis

1572
01:11:35,634 --> 01:11:38,074
Speaker 11: Hunter is really the only true blue chip talent in

1573
01:11:38,114 --> 01:11:41,274
Speaker 11: this draft, And if there's no quarterback going one to one,

1574
01:11:41,314 --> 01:11:43,634
Speaker 11: then Travis Hunter is gonna go with the first overall pick.

1575
01:11:43,754 --> 01:11:45,714
Speaker 11: So if the Patriots aren't picking.

1576
01:11:45,434 --> 01:11:47,634
Speaker 3: First over the running back, I know he's.

1577
01:11:48,114 --> 01:11:51,434
Speaker 11: Gender, well that's a running back, but yeah, is he

1578
01:11:51,474 --> 01:11:54,594
Speaker 11: a blue chip running back? I mean I don't really

1579
01:11:54,634 --> 01:11:57,234
Speaker 11: believe in blue chip running back boy, so.

1580
01:11:57,634 --> 01:12:00,194
Speaker 5: Well, was he like Bjon Robinson or Jamiir Gibbs.

1581
01:12:00,394 --> 01:12:04,314
Speaker 11: Uh, he's smaller than Bijon, So like that is like

1582
01:12:04,354 --> 01:12:10,154
Speaker 11: a concern that true? Yeah, Yeah, he's really good. He's

1583
01:12:10,194 --> 01:12:12,594
Speaker 11: really really good. He probably should win the Heisman. I

1584
01:12:12,594 --> 01:12:14,754
Speaker 11: think Travis Hunter is going to just because of the

1585
01:12:14,794 --> 01:12:18,594
Speaker 11: name recognition, but Genry probably should win it. He's a

1586
01:12:18,594 --> 01:12:19,994
Speaker 11: really good player, but he's running back.

1587
01:12:20,114 --> 01:12:21,434
Speaker 6: Yeah, this schools comes on the heels too.

1588
01:12:21,434 --> 01:12:23,594
Speaker 8: I remember having the conversation last year around the draft

1589
01:12:23,594 --> 01:12:26,754
Speaker 8: of that, A lot of the sixth and seventh round guys,

1590
01:12:26,754 --> 01:12:28,834
Speaker 8: they say, are like Udfa's now like that the depth

1591
01:12:28,834 --> 01:12:30,754
Speaker 8: in the draft generally hasn't been.

1592
01:12:31,514 --> 01:12:34,954
Speaker 5: And that's Fred's thing too about the the COVID that

1593
01:12:35,034 --> 01:12:37,674
Speaker 5: add extra. You know, COVID you still get every game

1594
01:12:37,714 --> 01:12:40,434
Speaker 5: you watch, it's just like fifth, sixth, seventh year guys.

1595
01:12:40,874 --> 01:12:43,914
Speaker 5: You know that Miami guys. Ninth year it's also nil.

1596
01:12:44,074 --> 01:12:45,874
Speaker 11: You know, like a lot of the guys are going

1597
01:12:45,954 --> 01:12:49,434
Speaker 11: back because they're getting to go back, so now they'll

1598
01:12:49,474 --> 01:12:51,234
Speaker 11: go into next year's draft, so that that.

1599
01:12:52,954 --> 01:12:53,874
Speaker 3: Is going to take a few years.

1600
01:12:54,074 --> 01:12:59,594
Speaker 5: But I do understand you, yeah with yeah, I mean,

1601
01:12:59,594 --> 01:13:02,034
Speaker 5: maybe you don't get a blue chip guy with the

1602
01:13:02,074 --> 01:13:05,034
Speaker 5: fourth overall pick, but you can still get good players.

1603
01:13:05,034 --> 01:13:09,114
Speaker 5: And if you can, then that that's okay. But I

1604
01:13:09,194 --> 01:13:11,834
Speaker 5: just think it stands to reason that if the highest

1605
01:13:11,834 --> 01:13:14,954
Speaker 5: the first round picks are not first rounders every year,

1606
01:13:14,994 --> 01:13:17,914
Speaker 5: they're just first rounders this year, then my guess is

1607
01:13:17,954 --> 01:13:20,314
Speaker 5: the second rounders aren't second rounders every year, their second

1608
01:13:20,394 --> 01:13:22,554
Speaker 5: round is this year. Like, I just think it's a

1609
01:13:22,554 --> 01:13:27,354
Speaker 5: trickle down. I can't imagine that this draft has you know,

1610
01:13:27,474 --> 01:13:31,434
Speaker 5: fifty really good players but no great ones, whereas most

1611
01:13:31,514 --> 01:13:34,874
Speaker 5: drafts only have twenty really good players, but ten great ones,

1612
01:13:35,434 --> 01:13:38,514
Speaker 5: like doesn't doesn't that hard to imagine? I don't know,

1613
01:13:38,794 --> 01:13:42,034
Speaker 5: not really, and I'm just using, you know, random numbers.

1614
01:13:42,114 --> 01:13:45,714
Speaker 11: I'm coming around to defense. All right, that's awesome, Jared.

1615
01:13:46,434 --> 01:13:48,794
Speaker 5: I just think of whatever, whatever you think is the

1616
01:13:48,914 --> 01:13:51,434
Speaker 5: very best player, Like this is a year you have

1617
01:13:51,514 --> 01:13:53,954
Speaker 5: to stick to your quarter unless it's a quarterback.

1618
01:13:54,274 --> 01:13:59,714
Speaker 3: Jared in LA. What's up? Jared only waited for over

1619
01:13:59,754 --> 01:14:02,874
Speaker 3: an hour, so I guess, hang up. Emory is in Virginia.

1620
01:14:02,994 --> 01:14:07,314
Speaker 3: What's up? Emory? Emory?

1621
01:14:10,194 --> 01:14:10,994
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1622
01:14:11,034 --> 01:14:11,554
Speaker 3: Are you there?

1623
01:14:11,794 --> 01:14:12,074
Speaker 15: Hey?

1624
01:14:12,314 --> 01:14:15,994
Speaker 17: Good at the gentlemen? Hey, I enjoyed listen to you.

1625
01:14:16,194 --> 01:14:19,834
Speaker 17: I appreciate keep them this informed with football, sure, but

1626
01:14:19,874 --> 01:14:21,834
Speaker 17: I do have a bone on the pick with you,

1627
01:14:22,554 --> 01:14:27,754
Speaker 17: just some of the the version and the lack of support.

1628
01:14:28,074 --> 01:14:32,434
Speaker 17: What in my opinion for coach Mayo at times? Hey,

1629
01:14:32,554 --> 01:14:37,714
Speaker 17: thirteen games. You know Belichick, Jimmy Johnson, Dan Kimbell and

1630
01:14:37,754 --> 01:14:40,234
Speaker 17: a few others. They didn't get off to great stars

1631
01:14:41,114 --> 01:14:44,194
Speaker 17: all them. Ask me give the man a chance, and

1632
01:14:44,274 --> 01:14:46,634
Speaker 17: I said, I know. There have been some positive verbage

1633
01:14:46,634 --> 01:14:50,073
Speaker 17: as well, but not enough. We're just saying thirteen games.

1634
01:14:50,714 --> 01:14:52,754
Speaker 17: I think he's the man cut out for the job.

1635
01:14:52,914 --> 01:14:56,034
Speaker 17: But we need to slow our role and put that

1636
01:14:56,554 --> 01:14:58,914
Speaker 17: that loose away. Don't don't hang him yet.

1637
01:14:59,114 --> 01:15:01,234
Speaker 5: Just yeah that I don't know anyone's doing.

1638
01:15:01,234 --> 01:15:01,914
Speaker 17: All right, thank you?

1639
01:15:02,034 --> 01:15:05,034
Speaker 3: No, no, no, But every stay on though, yeah you

1640
01:15:05,034 --> 01:15:07,154
Speaker 3: know for a second, because no, I hear what you're saying.

1641
01:15:07,794 --> 01:15:09,874
Speaker 3: But we can't every week say we got to give

1642
01:15:09,914 --> 01:15:12,834
Speaker 3: him a chance. We have to talk about what's going on.

1643
01:15:12,954 --> 01:15:17,514
Speaker 3: So tell me some positives. Give me some positives, some.

1644
01:15:17,554 --> 01:15:21,514
Speaker 17: Positives that those guys are playing hard for him. Those

1645
01:15:21,514 --> 01:15:25,594
Speaker 17: guys are playing hard. And I haven't heard anything come

1646
01:15:25,634 --> 01:15:32,834
Speaker 17: out from Robert k about, you know, about Mayo and

1647
01:15:32,874 --> 01:15:35,434
Speaker 17: the job that he's doing. I think he understands that

1648
01:15:35,474 --> 01:15:38,234
Speaker 17: this is his first opportunity as a head coach and

1649
01:15:38,274 --> 01:15:39,594
Speaker 17: there's gonna be some hiccups.

1650
01:15:40,714 --> 01:15:40,994
Speaker 11: Come on.

1651
01:15:41,114 --> 01:15:45,754
Speaker 17: The last Belichick put in twenty plus years, some good years,

1652
01:15:45,994 --> 01:15:49,274
Speaker 17: but those last three to four years, come on, come on,

1653
01:15:49,714 --> 01:15:53,594
Speaker 17: that was unacceptable. I agree with yeah, But you know what,

1654
01:15:53,714 --> 01:15:56,274
Speaker 17: we didn't. We didn't hope because we we thought about

1655
01:15:56,274 --> 01:15:58,154
Speaker 17: all the good years that he brought, you know, in

1656
01:15:58,194 --> 01:16:01,474
Speaker 17: the Super Bowls and stuff like that, and so all

1657
01:16:01,514 --> 01:16:05,954
Speaker 17: I'm saying, thirteen games. Really, come on, gentlemen, please okay,

1658
01:16:06,514 --> 01:16:09,354
Speaker 17: give him an opportunity. So like you, like you said, Fred,

1659
01:16:09,474 --> 01:16:14,794
Speaker 17: that's a legitimate question. Yeah, you know every week, come on, now,

1660
01:16:15,114 --> 01:16:18,354
Speaker 17: it hasn't been. There have been some positive sciences, stuff

1661
01:16:18,394 --> 01:16:21,674
Speaker 17: like that he's trying to be his own man, and

1662
01:16:21,714 --> 01:16:24,594
Speaker 17: those some big shoes to feel, you know when it

1663
01:16:24,634 --> 01:16:28,754
Speaker 17: comes coach Bilichick and all that. But all I'm just saying,

1664
01:16:29,354 --> 01:16:31,514
Speaker 17: thirteen games, you please, come.

1665
01:16:31,354 --> 01:16:35,154
Speaker 3: On, no doubt? Okay, is there a lot on this,

1666
01:16:35,394 --> 01:16:36,034
Speaker 3: thanks Emory.

1667
01:16:37,354 --> 01:16:39,514
Speaker 5: Well, I don't think there's any chance that he's not

1668
01:16:39,554 --> 01:16:40,234
Speaker 5: back next year.

1669
01:16:40,354 --> 01:16:42,354
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I don't know. I think we all think

1670
01:16:42,394 --> 01:16:44,274
Speaker 3: he'll be back. Yeah. Yeah.

1671
01:16:44,314 --> 01:16:46,634
Speaker 5: I mean I don't really feel like we're.

1672
01:16:46,474 --> 01:16:50,954
Speaker 3: Overly No, I don't think we are overly negative with

1673
01:16:51,114 --> 01:16:53,154
Speaker 3: But at the same time, we have to be fair.

1674
01:16:53,514 --> 01:16:58,354
Speaker 3: If we believe that, you know, coaching affected a game negatively,

1675
01:16:58,434 --> 01:16:59,194
Speaker 3: we have to say that.

1676
01:16:59,474 --> 01:17:02,314
Speaker 5: I think there's been some mistakes and like like Hemory said,

1677
01:17:02,474 --> 01:17:05,674
Speaker 5: he's only coached thirteen games, he's gonna make Yeah, Like,

1678
01:17:05,794 --> 01:17:09,274
Speaker 5: I think game calculation, game mistakes. I think it was

1679
01:17:09,354 --> 01:17:12,434
Speaker 5: an error as an example, to not call timeouts on

1680
01:17:12,514 --> 01:17:15,394
Speaker 5: defense in the last minute. Once the Colts got first

1681
01:17:15,394 --> 01:17:16,954
Speaker 5: and goal from the seven, I think they should have

1682
01:17:16,954 --> 01:17:19,754
Speaker 5: been calling time out, and you know, you look at it,

1683
01:17:19,754 --> 01:17:21,874
Speaker 5: they end up getting to midfield. If they had twenty

1684
01:17:21,914 --> 01:17:24,394
Speaker 5: more seconds, might they get to the thirty five right?

1685
01:17:24,554 --> 01:17:26,274
Speaker 5: And then you kick a field goal to win the game.

1686
01:17:26,394 --> 01:17:28,554
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well that's.

1687
01:17:28,474 --> 01:17:29,034
Speaker 5: What that's all.

1688
01:17:29,074 --> 01:17:30,474
Speaker 8: If you wanted to get better, you got to talk

1689
01:17:30,514 --> 01:17:32,794
Speaker 8: about these things. Is the things he's got to clean up.

1690
01:17:32,834 --> 01:17:34,674
Speaker 10: I'm sure he's analyzing these things too.

1691
01:17:34,554 --> 01:17:36,954
Speaker 11: But I just think there just doesn't seem to be

1692
01:17:36,994 --> 01:17:41,514
Speaker 11: a rhyme or reason to the timeout usage in these games.

1693
01:17:41,554 --> 01:17:46,794
Speaker 11: Like before halftime, they're running the ball while simultaneously stopping

1694
01:17:46,794 --> 01:17:49,714
Speaker 11: the clock with timeout, So I get the goal is

1695
01:17:49,754 --> 01:17:52,034
Speaker 11: to make sure that that's the last possession of the half.

1696
01:17:52,474 --> 01:17:55,074
Speaker 11: So then wouldn't to use a Paul phrase when that

1697
01:17:55,154 --> 01:17:57,554
Speaker 11: stands to reason to let the clock run after you

1698
01:17:57,594 --> 01:17:59,714
Speaker 11: run the football, Like why are you running the ball

1699
01:18:00,194 --> 01:18:02,714
Speaker 11: and then calling a time out immediately to stop the clock?

1700
01:18:02,874 --> 01:18:05,114
Speaker 5: You wanted to run the ball, then run to the

1701
01:18:05,154 --> 01:18:07,434
Speaker 5: line and run it again, right, and then call timeout

1702
01:18:07,514 --> 01:18:09,154
Speaker 5: so you still have you know, if you let the

1703
01:18:09,154 --> 01:18:10,034
Speaker 5: clock that way.

1704
01:18:09,954 --> 01:18:11,754
Speaker 11: Let it run so that you milk some of that

1705
01:18:11,794 --> 01:18:13,834
Speaker 11: clock off so that it is the last possession of

1706
01:18:13,874 --> 01:18:15,674
Speaker 11: the of the half, and then at the end of

1707
01:18:15,714 --> 01:18:17,594
Speaker 11: the game. I'm you know, I'm with Paul, like how

1708
01:18:17,714 --> 01:18:20,994
Speaker 11: you don't call timeouts on defense there to give your

1709
01:18:21,034 --> 01:18:24,394
Speaker 11: offense as much time as possible to rebuttal knowing that

1710
01:18:24,434 --> 01:18:27,354
Speaker 11: they really haven't st you all day on that side

1711
01:18:27,354 --> 01:18:29,594
Speaker 11: of the football, at least until you get to the red.

1712
01:18:29,554 --> 01:18:31,194
Speaker 5: Zone, which you wouldn't even need to do, you wouldn't

1713
01:18:31,234 --> 01:18:31,714
Speaker 5: have to write.

1714
01:18:31,914 --> 01:18:34,794
Speaker 3: So and you know, we say those things knowing, yeah,

1715
01:18:35,194 --> 01:18:37,954
Speaker 3: he's new and he's but these are the things that

1716
01:18:37,994 --> 01:18:39,154
Speaker 3: he has to get better at.

1717
01:18:39,354 --> 01:18:41,474
Speaker 11: I think the frustration for me too is just like,

1718
01:18:41,954 --> 01:18:44,674
Speaker 11: you know, he has people on staff Evan Rostein is

1719
01:18:44,714 --> 01:18:47,153
Speaker 11: the name that he always talks about, that are supposed

1720
01:18:47,154 --> 01:18:50,034
Speaker 11: to be advising him in these types of situations, So

1721
01:18:50,194 --> 01:18:52,354
Speaker 11: like it's the people around him too that are sort

1722
01:18:52,354 --> 01:18:54,594
Speaker 11: of letting him down, it seems like. And if those

1723
01:18:54,594 --> 01:18:57,554
Speaker 11: guys are on the headset saying time out, time out,

1724
01:18:57,554 --> 01:19:01,474
Speaker 11: time out, and he's just ignoring them because he's going

1725
01:19:01,514 --> 01:19:03,994
Speaker 11: off of his own gut or his own instincts or whatever,

1726
01:19:04,434 --> 01:19:07,474
Speaker 11: then you know that that's a kind of a problem. Too, like,

1727
01:19:07,514 --> 01:19:10,314
Speaker 11: because it's obviously not working. You know, the method is

1728
01:19:10,314 --> 01:19:10,834
Speaker 11: not working.

1729
01:19:10,994 --> 01:19:15,434
Speaker 5: So we're gonna, like, I feel like we need to

1730
01:19:15,474 --> 01:19:18,154
Speaker 5: talk about the games and whatnot. Now the big picture.

1731
01:19:18,434 --> 01:19:21,954
Speaker 5: I'm with Emery big picture. You know, thirteen games, he's

1732
01:19:22,114 --> 01:19:24,274
Speaker 5: you know, he's gonna you know, get better at these

1733
01:19:24,274 --> 01:19:27,754
Speaker 5: things the radically and get his own players in and

1734
01:19:27,834 --> 01:19:31,994
Speaker 5: have his culture and all that stuff. But week to week,

1735
01:19:32,434 --> 01:19:35,114
Speaker 5: I think we need to analyze what happens in the game.

1736
01:19:35,154 --> 01:19:38,274
Speaker 5: You know, the first game that he coached, could he

1737
01:19:38,314 --> 01:19:40,794
Speaker 5: have gotten any more praise from this show and all

1738
01:19:40,834 --> 01:19:43,994
Speaker 5: others around here about how good they looked, how how

1739
01:19:44,154 --> 01:19:48,234
Speaker 5: disciplined prepared, the game plan on both sides, the lack

1740
01:19:48,274 --> 01:19:51,354
Speaker 5: of penalties, the lack of mistakes, and they go to

1741
01:19:51,394 --> 01:19:54,874
Speaker 5: Cincinnati and win a game. I mean that was the

1742
01:19:55,114 --> 01:19:59,474
Speaker 5: quote unquote narrative in week one, right, So I think

1743
01:19:59,514 --> 01:20:02,674
Speaker 5: you have to sort of not to steal my show's line.

1744
01:20:02,674 --> 01:20:03,914
Speaker 5: But we have a show to do today.

1745
01:20:04,274 --> 01:20:07,274
Speaker 3: We talked before the break and I asked the question

1746
01:20:08,154 --> 01:20:10,394
Speaker 3: coming out of the by what should be the message

1747
01:20:11,594 --> 01:20:15,274
Speaker 3: from Mayo to his team? Four games left? What's your message?

1748
01:20:15,794 --> 01:20:16,674
Speaker 5: Who wants to be here?

1749
01:20:16,874 --> 01:20:18,354
Speaker 11: Yeah?

1750
01:20:18,794 --> 01:20:21,354
Speaker 3: Well it's not to me, it's it's it's not even

1751
01:20:21,354 --> 01:20:23,474
Speaker 3: who wants to be here. It's like you're a professional,

1752
01:20:23,954 --> 01:20:27,994
Speaker 3: whether you're here or not. Everything you do is on tape,

1753
01:20:28,434 --> 01:20:30,674
Speaker 3: so as a professional.

1754
01:20:30,114 --> 01:20:31,994
Speaker 5: Like that's the whole. Like they play hard for him,

1755
01:20:32,074 --> 01:20:35,354
Speaker 5: Like I don't know, but right now the Jets are

1756
01:20:35,354 --> 01:20:40,114
Speaker 5: a dumpster fire. They emptied the bucket on Sunday. That's

1757
01:20:40,114 --> 01:20:41,674
Speaker 5: a game that they will win in for fifty nine

1758
01:20:41,714 --> 01:20:44,954
Speaker 5: minutes and they couldn't win at the end. Like teams

1759
01:20:44,994 --> 01:20:48,514
Speaker 5: play hard. I mean, these guys are exactly what you said.

1760
01:20:48,514 --> 01:20:50,594
Speaker 5: You're a professional. If you're not going to be there,

1761
01:20:50,634 --> 01:20:52,794
Speaker 5: if you're not going to be part of the future

1762
01:20:52,834 --> 01:20:54,634
Speaker 5: for that team, you got to put something on tape.

1763
01:20:54,474 --> 01:20:56,674
Speaker 3: That someone's going to be wanting for somebody.

1764
01:20:56,674 --> 01:20:58,834
Speaker 5: These guys are fighting for their NFL lives. Like I

1765
01:20:58,874 --> 01:21:00,754
Speaker 5: don't think there's a lot of dumping in the NFL.

1766
01:21:00,954 --> 01:21:05,314
Speaker 5: Now there might be, Like Carolina clearly sold off a

1767
01:21:05,354 --> 01:21:07,674
Speaker 5: lot of pieces last year because they wanted to get bad.

1768
01:21:08,434 --> 01:21:10,434
Speaker 5: I think you can make an argument that Washington did

1769
01:21:10,434 --> 01:21:15,314
Speaker 5: it with cha Chase Brown. Yeah, Chase Young Young And

1770
01:21:15,354 --> 01:21:17,954
Speaker 5: I almost called Chase Brown it's a running back. Chase

1771
01:21:17,994 --> 01:21:23,114
Speaker 5: Young in sweat you know, you can sell off pieces

1772
01:21:23,274 --> 01:21:25,634
Speaker 5: maybe to not put yourself in the best position to win,

1773
01:21:25,714 --> 01:21:27,634
Speaker 5: but you can't ask your players to go out there

1774
01:21:27,674 --> 01:21:28,394
Speaker 5: and not play hard.

1775
01:21:28,434 --> 01:21:32,074
Speaker 11: That's tankings from the management and ownership. Well right, like

1776
01:21:32,114 --> 01:21:34,874
Speaker 11: that's from that's some upstairs to use a hockey term,

1777
01:21:34,914 --> 01:21:37,394
Speaker 11: not ice level, like that they don't the players are.

1778
01:21:37,874 --> 01:21:39,674
Speaker 5: I would agree with Emory. I think the Patriots have

1779
01:21:39,714 --> 01:21:41,634
Speaker 5: played hard. I think the other teams play hard too,

1780
01:21:42,394 --> 01:21:44,034
Speaker 5: and I don't think there's a lot of like they

1781
01:21:44,034 --> 01:21:46,754
Speaker 5: just didn't really show up, like they got blasted in Miami.

1782
01:21:46,794 --> 01:21:50,194
Speaker 5: I don't think it's because they weren't trying. I really don't.

1783
01:21:50,354 --> 01:21:52,674
Speaker 5: I know some people said they quit, they quit, they quit.

1784
01:21:52,714 --> 01:21:54,954
Speaker 5: I don't think that they weren't trying in Miami. They

1785
01:21:54,994 --> 01:21:55,794
Speaker 5: just played poorly.

1786
01:21:57,074 --> 01:21:58,794
Speaker 8: It's a really big challenge to play these teams that

1787
01:21:58,834 --> 01:22:00,514
Speaker 8: they got to play too. And I mean, we talked

1788
01:22:00,554 --> 01:22:01,874
Speaker 8: about the defense.

1789
01:22:03,594 --> 01:22:05,354
Speaker 10: They're gonna have to face Buffalo.

1790
01:22:06,234 --> 01:22:08,114
Speaker 6: It was really good twice.

1791
01:22:08,434 --> 01:22:10,354
Speaker 8: So all the things we're saying about the defense right now, like,

1792
01:22:10,394 --> 01:22:12,674
Speaker 8: let's imagine what those things look like through the prism

1793
01:22:12,714 --> 01:22:13,194
Speaker 8: of Josh.

1794
01:22:13,514 --> 01:22:15,434
Speaker 5: Something about Buffalo that I'm a little worried about that

1795
01:22:15,514 --> 01:22:17,634
Speaker 5: like I don't remember ever having to be what like

1796
01:22:18,554 --> 01:22:20,234
Speaker 5: they could just line up and run it at you.

1797
01:22:20,314 --> 01:22:24,354
Speaker 3: Now they're having too much fun. It's becoming really easy

1798
01:22:24,354 --> 01:22:28,114
Speaker 3: for them. You know what your window, Well, they played

1799
01:22:28,114 --> 01:22:35,194
Speaker 3: some good team Anderson window. The windows closing on that prediction.

1800
01:22:36,954 --> 01:22:43,394
Speaker 11: If you're division five years in a row, the coach

1801
01:22:43,474 --> 01:22:45,954
Speaker 11: is doing snow angels on the field post game. Money

1802
01:22:46,034 --> 01:22:47,394
Speaker 11: is alright, can you believe that?

1803
01:22:48,034 --> 01:22:50,154
Speaker 5: Matt told me that. No, Socks told me that. On money,

1804
01:22:50,154 --> 01:22:52,634
Speaker 5: He goes, what do you think of Ara's snow angel?

1805
01:22:52,954 --> 01:22:53,834
Speaker 5: I couldn't believe it.

1806
01:22:53,954 --> 01:22:58,154
Speaker 8: No, it's they're they're having fun in Buffalo because it's

1807
01:22:58,154 --> 01:22:59,074
Speaker 8: coming easier to them.

1808
01:22:59,114 --> 01:23:01,994
Speaker 5: But I just like they line up now and they.

1809
01:23:01,954 --> 01:23:04,074
Speaker 11: James Cook, they just run it at you, like from

1810
01:23:04,514 --> 01:23:06,554
Speaker 11: in the snow game, from under center to like not

1811
01:23:06,714 --> 01:23:09,714
Speaker 11: designed like with Josh Allen as a factor like they

1812
01:23:09,794 --> 01:23:11,674
Speaker 11: used to have to do. Like now they can literally

1813
01:23:11,794 --> 01:23:15,194
Speaker 11: just run it traditionally right at you, like Alo back

1814
01:23:15,234 --> 01:23:16,154
Speaker 11: to like you.

1815
01:23:16,074 --> 01:23:17,554
Speaker 5: Know, I just well, that's the other thing. It's it's

1816
01:23:17,594 --> 01:23:19,634
Speaker 5: kind of interesting around the league how some of these

1817
01:23:19,714 --> 01:23:23,354
Speaker 5: long term guys are starting to come back like a

1818
01:23:23,514 --> 01:23:26,074
Speaker 5: boost before the play Hollywood Brown might be coming back

1819
01:23:26,114 --> 01:23:28,314
Speaker 5: for the Chiefs. They're gonna get I mean, this is

1820
01:23:28,354 --> 01:23:31,474
Speaker 5: not the same category, but Dj Humphries I think might

1821
01:23:31,514 --> 01:23:34,754
Speaker 5: be getting ready to play left tackle for them. That's

1822
01:23:34,754 --> 01:23:37,234
Speaker 5: been a disaster. You watch any of that Black Friday game.

1823
01:23:40,034 --> 01:23:45,634
Speaker 5: They can't block their tackles, can't block anybody. And you know,

1824
01:23:45,834 --> 01:23:48,714
Speaker 5: if you had any questions as to why Kansas City

1825
01:23:48,754 --> 01:23:50,594
Speaker 5: is so sporadic offensively, that's it.

1826
01:23:50,754 --> 01:23:53,474
Speaker 3: There's no way Buffalo can win a Super Bowl. I'm sorry, Oh,

1827
01:23:53,514 --> 01:23:53,794
Speaker 3: I don't.

1828
01:23:53,834 --> 01:23:56,514
Speaker 5: I'm not saying they're I'm not saying they're not capable.

1829
01:23:56,594 --> 01:23:58,954
Speaker 3: I think they're saying in the in the for the

1830
01:23:59,114 --> 01:24:00,394
Speaker 3: order of the universe, they.

1831
01:24:00,594 --> 01:24:04,794
Speaker 5: They're a notch behind. I think Detroit Philadelphia, like Philadelphia

1832
01:24:04,794 --> 01:24:07,314
Speaker 5: has been really impressive too. We don't we don't really

1833
01:24:07,354 --> 01:24:08,034
Speaker 5: talk about them.

1834
01:24:08,074 --> 01:24:10,234
Speaker 3: I don't know if there are not behind anybody right now.

1835
01:24:10,634 --> 01:24:13,914
Speaker 5: But yeah, you know what, I'm just not sold on

1836
01:24:13,954 --> 01:24:16,714
Speaker 5: the Bills defense. I know they've played well, I'm not

1837
01:24:16,794 --> 01:24:19,354
Speaker 5: sold on their defense. I think you can run on them,

1838
01:24:19,514 --> 01:24:21,354
Speaker 5: and I think they're I still think they're a little

1839
01:24:21,394 --> 01:24:22,274
Speaker 5: soft defensively.

1840
01:24:22,434 --> 01:24:23,594
Speaker 3: Molano will help.

1841
01:24:24,074 --> 01:24:26,954
Speaker 5: If he can be healthy. What's that.

1842
01:24:27,074 --> 01:24:28,714
Speaker 11: I do think they have the MVP of the league.

1843
01:24:28,914 --> 01:24:30,034
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, that's why.

1844
01:24:30,114 --> 01:24:33,834
Speaker 8: I mean, that's that's that's one he and what's the

1845
01:24:33,874 --> 01:24:35,794
Speaker 8: conversation like as we go into the off season with

1846
01:24:35,794 --> 01:24:37,874
Speaker 8: the Patriots coming off a two out of three against

1847
01:24:38,074 --> 01:24:40,434
Speaker 8: that team, you know, that's that's going to be, you know,

1848
01:24:40,634 --> 01:24:43,594
Speaker 8: a report card for you. And so Fred asked about

1849
01:24:44,514 --> 01:24:46,634
Speaker 8: how are we going to handle these last four games? Well,

1850
01:24:47,034 --> 01:24:49,194
Speaker 8: you got four good teams that you know, you need

1851
01:24:49,234 --> 01:24:51,154
Speaker 8: to show something against. You can't roll out there and

1852
01:24:51,474 --> 01:24:52,994
Speaker 8: just try to end the season. I mean that they'll

1853
01:24:53,034 --> 01:24:53,994
Speaker 8: get they'll get walloped.

1854
01:24:54,074 --> 01:24:56,714
Speaker 5: Yeah, the message needs to be, you know, we need

1855
01:24:56,754 --> 01:24:59,314
Speaker 5: to keep improving. Yeah, you know, we need to keep

1856
01:24:59,354 --> 01:25:02,714
Speaker 5: moving forward and keep improving, keep doing these things like offensively,

1857
01:25:02,994 --> 01:25:06,314
Speaker 5: you get a little momentum you started, right, let's keep

1858
01:25:06,314 --> 01:25:08,874
Speaker 5: building on it. Evan talked about there was a lot

1859
01:25:08,874 --> 01:25:11,914
Speaker 5: of different creative things that we hadn't really seen. Let's

1860
01:25:11,954 --> 01:25:12,994
Speaker 5: keep putting.

1861
01:25:12,714 --> 01:25:13,314
Speaker 7: More of those in.

1862
01:25:13,554 --> 01:25:16,034
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, let's improve in the red zone. Maybe

1863
01:25:16,154 --> 01:25:19,034
Speaker 5: some design zone reads for Drake may in the red zone,

1864
01:25:19,194 --> 01:25:19,954
Speaker 5: stuff like that.

1865
01:25:20,114 --> 01:25:21,714
Speaker 11: They did do a couple of them, and they all

1866
01:25:21,754 --> 01:25:24,994
Speaker 11: converted to andoffs, of course, but I just I look

1867
01:25:25,034 --> 01:25:27,314
Speaker 11: at it that is the biggest thing to me is like,

1868
01:25:27,354 --> 01:25:29,794
Speaker 11: if you're talking to you know, Drake May and some

1869
01:25:29,834 --> 01:25:32,114
Speaker 11: of the guys that are going to be here even

1870
01:25:32,314 --> 01:25:35,714
Speaker 11: just this is how you build momentum into next season

1871
01:25:36,114 --> 01:25:38,994
Speaker 11: is by finishing this season strong and figuring out what

1872
01:25:39,034 --> 01:25:41,874
Speaker 11: you're good at now this season and then you build

1873
01:25:41,914 --> 01:25:44,674
Speaker 11: and build and build. Now, that's how teams get better.

1874
01:25:44,714 --> 01:25:47,794
Speaker 11: That's how Detroit got better. San Francisco trades for Jimmy

1875
01:25:47,794 --> 01:25:50,114
Speaker 11: Garoppolo and has a nice end of the year and

1876
01:25:50,154 --> 01:25:52,994
Speaker 11: his first year there. Then the next year they're contender.

1877
01:25:53,114 --> 01:25:55,834
Speaker 11: Like that's how you build a team. And you know

1878
01:25:55,914 --> 01:25:57,594
Speaker 11: it might not be for everybody because they might not

1879
01:25:57,634 --> 01:26:00,194
Speaker 11: all be here, you know, next year, but for the

1880
01:26:00,234 --> 01:26:02,114
Speaker 11: guys that you know for a fact are going to

1881
01:26:02,154 --> 01:26:04,554
Speaker 11: be on this roster in twenty twenty five, that's got

1882
01:26:04,554 --> 01:26:07,514
Speaker 11: to be the message is let's continue to build forward

1883
01:26:07,554 --> 01:26:09,594
Speaker 11: so that we can hit the ground running in twenty five.

1884
01:26:09,794 --> 01:26:14,794
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, back on the TPX outline, Tim is

1885
01:26:14,794 --> 01:26:17,994
Speaker 3: in Boston. Hey, Tim Thig.

1886
01:26:17,914 --> 01:26:21,113
Speaker 15: Guys, I have a big problem with how the NFL called.

1887
01:26:20,954 --> 01:26:24,314
Speaker 18: CPI in certain situations that happen on Sunday and then

1888
01:26:24,434 --> 01:26:27,474
Speaker 18: the chief game left Friday. It happens when the receiver

1889
01:26:27,514 --> 01:26:29,474
Speaker 18: in the corner are running stride for stride on a

1890
01:26:29,474 --> 01:26:32,674
Speaker 18: go route and a quarterback underthrows it. So the receiver

1891
01:26:32,754 --> 01:26:36,113
Speaker 18: stops and comes back towards the ball and initiates contact

1892
01:26:36,114 --> 01:26:38,354
Speaker 18: with the corner who's not looking, and they call it

1893
01:26:38,354 --> 01:26:40,914
Speaker 18: every time it bails out a bad throw against good coverage.

1894
01:26:40,994 --> 01:26:43,074
Speaker 18: It drives me crazy. I think they need to make

1895
01:26:43,114 --> 01:26:45,674
Speaker 18: some rule where if the receiver initiates the contact, it's

1896
01:26:45,714 --> 01:26:46,314
Speaker 18: not DPI.

1897
01:26:46,474 --> 01:26:48,514
Speaker 3: What do you think, Well, the problem with that, I

1898
01:26:48,834 --> 01:26:52,634
Speaker 3: hear what you saw him, but if the defender looks back,

1899
01:26:52,714 --> 01:26:55,274
Speaker 3: he's not going to get called. The problem is he

1900
01:26:55,314 --> 01:26:58,034
Speaker 3: has no idea where the ball is, and you're calling

1901
01:26:58,074 --> 01:27:00,514
Speaker 3: it a bad throw. A lot of times it's supposed

1902
01:27:00,554 --> 01:27:02,834
Speaker 3: to be that. It's supposed to be a coming back

1903
01:27:03,634 --> 01:27:06,594
Speaker 3: that Yeah, thanks Tim What Tom Brady?

1904
01:27:06,674 --> 01:27:09,594
Speaker 5: Yeah, the back shoulder throw, No one threw it better. Yeah,

1905
01:27:09,634 --> 01:27:10,754
Speaker 5: and he did it first.

1906
01:27:10,874 --> 01:27:13,113
Speaker 3: So a lot of times that sets up the defender

1907
01:27:13,274 --> 01:27:16,594
Speaker 3: to be in that bad position. So as a ref

1908
01:27:16,634 --> 01:27:19,474
Speaker 3: youve got to call that because he's not going for

1909
01:27:19,514 --> 01:27:21,274
Speaker 3: the ball, he's not making a play for the ball,

1910
01:27:21,314 --> 01:27:23,554
Speaker 3: he has no idea where the ball is, and he's

1911
01:27:23,594 --> 01:27:26,234
Speaker 3: impeding the receiver from getting to the ball. There's no

1912
01:27:26,314 --> 01:27:29,114
Speaker 3: other way. What there's nothing else to do but to

1913
01:27:29,194 --> 01:27:29,874
Speaker 3: call PI.

1914
01:27:30,314 --> 01:27:33,634
Speaker 5: If the receiver was running across the field and then

1915
01:27:33,874 --> 01:27:36,154
Speaker 5: stopped and ran back the other way for the ball

1916
01:27:36,274 --> 01:27:38,194
Speaker 5: and ran into the defensive back, would you say that

1917
01:27:38,194 --> 01:27:39,114
Speaker 5: that's pass interference?

1918
01:27:39,154 --> 01:27:39,514
Speaker 11: Of course?

1919
01:27:39,594 --> 01:27:41,754
Speaker 5: Yeah, So why wouldn't you do it? If he's running

1920
01:27:41,794 --> 01:27:43,594
Speaker 5: up the field and comes back.

1921
01:27:43,394 --> 01:27:46,114
Speaker 3: From that, you can't impede the guy unless you know,

1922
01:27:46,194 --> 01:27:48,154
Speaker 3: like you're like I said, it's fifty to fifty and

1923
01:27:48,194 --> 01:27:49,194
Speaker 3: you're going for the ball to.

1924
01:27:49,354 --> 01:27:51,114
Speaker 5: Those are the ones I hate. Yeah, when the guy

1925
01:27:51,194 --> 01:27:53,194
Speaker 5: does go up and mix a play on the ball

1926
01:27:53,354 --> 01:27:55,634
Speaker 5: and you know there's some hand fighting and stuff, and

1927
01:27:55,634 --> 01:27:59,114
Speaker 5: they call those, but the like the and it's not

1928
01:27:59,194 --> 01:28:02,954
Speaker 5: fair to Jeelani Tavai. He's thirty yards downfield chasing the guy.

1929
01:28:03,274 --> 01:28:05,634
Speaker 5: Of course he's behind him. He's not he shouldn't.

1930
01:28:05,914 --> 01:28:08,314
Speaker 11: Those are different to me. I I don't like the

1931
01:28:08,354 --> 01:28:12,434
Speaker 11: ones that are go routes where it's ten yards underthrowne

1932
01:28:12,794 --> 01:28:16,794
Speaker 11: and the receiver is clearly almost flopping, like the receiver

1933
01:28:16,954 --> 01:28:18,674
Speaker 11: is clear and it's.

1934
01:28:18,514 --> 01:28:21,153
Speaker 5: Not a ball, right, but you could tell the difference.

1935
01:28:21,314 --> 01:28:23,474
Speaker 11: Yeah, but they don't they they don't tell the difference.

1936
01:28:23,474 --> 01:28:27,394
Speaker 3: Well, that's that's why every place should be reviewable.

1937
01:28:27,994 --> 01:28:31,274
Speaker 11: I just think there needs to be something reviews.

1938
01:28:31,354 --> 01:28:34,274
Speaker 3: I know it's that doesn't mean you have more reviews, Paul,

1939
01:28:34,514 --> 01:28:36,274
Speaker 3: but you just said every play is reviewable. You can,

1940
01:28:36,394 --> 01:28:39,114
Speaker 3: but you still have the you're still limited as a team,

1941
01:28:39,194 --> 01:28:42,514
Speaker 3: but you can choose to review any play.

1942
01:28:43,234 --> 01:28:45,074
Speaker 11: I just think there needs to be some sort of

1943
01:28:47,154 --> 01:28:49,834
Speaker 11: They don't call it a lot, like you know, embellishment

1944
01:28:49,994 --> 01:28:52,994
Speaker 11: or flopping in basketball or whatever. They have rules now

1945
01:28:53,194 --> 01:28:55,514
Speaker 11: where it's like if you're hockey they call it. Yeah,

1946
01:28:55,674 --> 01:28:58,114
Speaker 11: if it's a ten yard underthrow on a deep ball

1947
01:28:58,354 --> 01:29:02,394
Speaker 11: and the receiver purposely initiates contact by going back to

1948
01:29:02,434 --> 01:29:04,354
Speaker 11: the football, and like.

1949
01:29:04,394 --> 01:29:07,554
Speaker 5: You know, that I think is interference. Like I have

1950
01:29:07,634 --> 01:29:09,994
Speaker 5: no problem with that. The first one you described, I'm

1951
01:29:10,034 --> 01:29:14,554
Speaker 5: with you, Like it's it's like woefully underthrown. The two

1952
01:29:14,634 --> 01:29:16,554
Speaker 5: guys just kind of like and the guy just kind

1953
01:29:16,554 --> 01:29:18,914
Speaker 5: of like flops, he knows he has no chance, throws

1954
01:29:18,954 --> 01:29:20,714
Speaker 5: his arms up and like that to me.

1955
01:29:20,994 --> 01:29:23,314
Speaker 11: If you're both running like stride for stride down the

1956
01:29:23,314 --> 01:29:26,794
Speaker 11: field and the balls in the air and it's clearly underthrown.

1957
01:29:26,834 --> 01:29:28,914
Speaker 11: The receiver looks back to it and just slams on

1958
01:29:28,994 --> 01:29:33,354
Speaker 11: the brakes because the ball is clearly underthrown. Like, you

1959
01:29:33,474 --> 01:29:36,394
Speaker 11: gotta be how It's like if you're on the highway

1960
01:29:36,434 --> 01:29:38,634
Speaker 11: and the car in front of you stop, Sure, who's

1961
01:29:38,674 --> 01:29:40,034
Speaker 11: fault is that yours?

1962
01:29:40,354 --> 01:29:40,714
Speaker 5: Yours?

1963
01:29:40,794 --> 01:29:41,194
Speaker 3: Yours?

1964
01:29:41,394 --> 01:29:44,274
Speaker 5: The car behind is always he's always at fault.

1965
01:29:44,354 --> 01:29:45,234
Speaker 11: Yeah, I don't agree with that.

1966
01:29:45,354 --> 01:29:46,354
Speaker 3: I have to be aware.

1967
01:29:46,474 --> 01:29:46,914
Speaker 11: So there you go.

1968
01:29:46,954 --> 01:29:48,514
Speaker 3: You have to be aware around it.

1969
01:29:48,554 --> 01:29:50,554
Speaker 5: And so if you're running stride for stride and you're

1970
01:29:50,554 --> 01:29:53,514
Speaker 5: both looking back and the balls woefully underthrown, you're stopping too.

1971
01:29:55,074 --> 01:29:57,394
Speaker 11: But I just don't think that, Like I get what

1972
01:29:57,434 --> 01:29:59,234
Speaker 11: you guys are saying. I just I think for the

1973
01:29:59,274 --> 01:30:02,234
Speaker 11: defensive player, like, it's not how it's coached, And that's

1974
01:30:02,274 --> 01:30:03,154
Speaker 11: just really difficult.

1975
01:30:03,194 --> 01:30:05,154
Speaker 3: I know, it's it's a it's a hard position.

1976
01:30:05,474 --> 01:30:07,754
Speaker 11: If you're playing man coverage in your back is to

1977
01:30:07,834 --> 01:30:10,434
Speaker 11: the quarterback, and that doesn't necessarily mean that your burnt

1978
01:30:10,514 --> 01:30:10,994
Speaker 11: your beat.

1979
01:30:11,234 --> 01:30:12,914
Speaker 5: It just means that's how you play man.

1980
01:30:13,074 --> 01:30:17,394
Speaker 3: You're chasing and what I'm saying, but see if what

1981
01:30:17,434 --> 01:30:19,234
Speaker 3: you're saying, if you know you can get away with

1982
01:30:19,354 --> 01:30:22,274
Speaker 3: that as a defender you face mask not I don't

1983
01:30:22,314 --> 01:30:25,714
Speaker 3: mean grab them, but you get stars every time, And

1984
01:30:25,754 --> 01:30:26,874
Speaker 3: how's he gonna catch the ball.

1985
01:30:26,954 --> 01:30:29,274
Speaker 11: But that's not what I'm necessarily talking about. I'm just

1986
01:30:29,314 --> 01:30:32,514
Speaker 11: saying when guys like obviously, when the receiver is running

1987
01:30:32,714 --> 01:30:36,514
Speaker 11: a route and the defender's playing man to man behind him,

1988
01:30:36,674 --> 01:30:38,834
Speaker 11: like he's obviously gonna have his back to the quarterback

1989
01:30:38,874 --> 01:30:42,754
Speaker 11: and he's gonna be behind like on his back hip right, Like, that's.

1990
01:30:42,634 --> 01:30:44,354
Speaker 3: Just when you see that receiver.

1991
01:30:44,754 --> 01:30:48,634
Speaker 5: But I'm not talking necessarily like right perfectly in phase,

1992
01:30:48,834 --> 01:30:54,114
Speaker 5: Like there could be a play where that happens what

1993
01:30:54,154 --> 01:30:55,914
Speaker 5: you're talking about, and I don't like those either, But

1994
01:30:55,914 --> 01:30:58,114
Speaker 5: I'm talking about a play like Tavai the other day

1995
01:30:58,154 --> 01:31:01,114
Speaker 5: where he's like five yards behind, Like no, the one

1996
01:31:01,194 --> 01:31:04,154
Speaker 5: to Marcus Jones to Mitchell. If that ball had been

1997
01:31:04,234 --> 01:31:06,674
Speaker 5: underthrown and Mitchell stopped and came back for it, that

1998
01:31:06,714 --> 01:31:09,674
Speaker 5: should be interference. I mean, Marcus Jones was not in

1999
01:31:09,714 --> 01:31:13,314
Speaker 5: good position on that play and he's chasing, he's desperately

2000
01:31:13,674 --> 01:31:15,594
Speaker 5: trying to get in. But now the throw was out

2001
01:31:15,754 --> 01:31:17,914
Speaker 5: to the outside, so there was no interference on it.

2002
01:31:18,274 --> 01:31:20,874
Speaker 5: But if that throw was short and Mitchell comes back

2003
01:31:20,914 --> 01:31:22,714
Speaker 5: and he has to go through the defender. That should

2004
01:31:22,714 --> 01:31:23,754
Speaker 5: be a penalty.

2005
01:31:23,674 --> 01:31:25,234
Speaker 3: Unless Marcus Jones turns aroun.

2006
01:31:25,514 --> 01:31:27,314
Speaker 5: It makes a player to make a play, right.

2007
01:31:27,354 --> 01:31:27,954
Speaker 3: That's different.

2008
01:31:28,354 --> 01:31:29,074
Speaker 6: It's hard to coach.

2009
01:31:29,114 --> 01:31:31,194
Speaker 5: That's it's really hard to play.

2010
01:31:31,514 --> 01:31:33,474
Speaker 6: Yeah, it is, especially that situation.

2011
01:31:33,554 --> 01:31:35,634
Speaker 5: I could talk to for I mean, I forget half

2012
01:31:35,634 --> 01:31:37,314
Speaker 5: of the stuff that he said. But Bill gave us

2013
01:31:37,354 --> 01:31:40,514
Speaker 5: a dissertation on that in a in a production meeting

2014
01:31:40,914 --> 01:31:43,514
Speaker 5: one year before a preseason game. And I was I

2015
01:31:43,554 --> 01:31:47,794
Speaker 5: was the receiver he stacked. I stacked him, and then

2016
01:31:47,834 --> 01:31:49,754
Speaker 5: he was in phase. He had all the all the

2017
01:31:50,234 --> 01:31:50,794
Speaker 5: all the.

2018
01:31:52,634 --> 01:31:54,874
Speaker 11: I just did. I I don't care for.

2019
01:31:54,794 --> 01:31:59,954
Speaker 5: The like you got to go up underneath it's put

2020
01:32:00,114 --> 01:32:01,354
Speaker 5: my arms out like this. He's like, you got to

2021
01:32:01,434 --> 01:32:04,154
Speaker 5: go up in between the arms, you know, and like

2022
01:32:04,234 --> 01:32:06,914
Speaker 5: he had. It was I mean, it was unbelievable how

2023
01:32:07,594 --> 01:32:10,594
Speaker 5: the minute details and minutia that he came up with.

2024
01:32:11,194 --> 01:32:13,234
Speaker 11: When you're a team that plays as much man coverage

2025
01:32:13,234 --> 01:32:15,994
Speaker 11: as the Patriots do, you're gonna get beat. And so

2026
01:32:16,474 --> 01:32:18,874
Speaker 11: playing the ball from out of phase is an art

2027
01:32:18,914 --> 01:32:21,914
Speaker 11: that you have to master in this defense, and they've

2028
01:32:21,954 --> 01:32:24,154
Speaker 11: been really good at coaching it over the years. They're

2029
01:32:24,154 --> 01:32:24,794
Speaker 11: they're one of the better.

2030
01:32:25,474 --> 01:32:26,234
Speaker 5: I would agree with that.

2031
01:32:26,354 --> 01:32:30,834
Speaker 3: I'll never forget Bryant College. Paul after a practice Belichick,

2032
01:32:31,074 --> 01:32:34,314
Speaker 3: not Belichick, parcels as ty Law who had just got

2033
01:32:34,394 --> 01:32:37,394
Speaker 3: drafted on the side. This is after practice teaching him

2034
01:32:37,634 --> 01:32:41,154
Speaker 3: when you're going down the sideline with the player with

2035
01:32:41,234 --> 01:32:44,314
Speaker 3: the receiver, you don't use your inside arm. You use

2036
01:32:44,354 --> 01:32:46,954
Speaker 3: your outside arm. And he showed how it's like four

2037
01:32:47,034 --> 01:32:50,434
Speaker 3: or five inches higher up if you use that outside

2038
01:32:50,514 --> 01:32:53,914
Speaker 3: arm instead of this arm. And and Tyler was like,

2039
01:32:53,954 --> 01:32:56,234
Speaker 3: oh okay in Michigan.

2040
01:32:56,514 --> 01:33:00,154
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, coaching.

2041
01:33:00,274 --> 01:33:02,234
Speaker 5: And it's hard, like cornerback.

2042
01:33:02,994 --> 01:33:06,754
Speaker 6: That's why I just totally get. But it's from the caller.

2043
01:33:06,834 --> 01:33:09,354
Speaker 8: And I remember Flacco doing these two, Like I remember

2044
01:33:09,354 --> 01:33:10,874
Speaker 8: Flacco driving me crazy.

2045
01:33:10,914 --> 01:33:13,554
Speaker 5: That's different, like like when you're throwing like some of

2046
01:33:13,594 --> 01:33:16,434
Speaker 5: those just like yeah, like you're throwing like your goal

2047
01:33:16,474 --> 01:33:18,474
Speaker 5: on a play is to get a penalty. Yeah, that

2048
01:33:18,554 --> 01:33:19,834
Speaker 5: I'm with the caller.

2049
01:33:20,274 --> 01:33:22,514
Speaker 11: That's sort of where I'm getting at too. Is like

2050
01:33:22,754 --> 01:33:25,754
Speaker 11: it's it's almost like an art on their side where

2051
01:33:25,994 --> 01:33:28,634
Speaker 11: I'm gonna this is covered, but I'm gonna slightly underthrow

2052
01:33:28,674 --> 01:33:30,994
Speaker 11: this and the receiver is gonna react a certain way

2053
01:33:31,154 --> 01:33:33,514
Speaker 11: and we're just gonna we're just gonna drop.

2054
01:33:34,394 --> 01:33:36,914
Speaker 3: But if the defender does look back in time, now

2055
01:33:36,914 --> 01:33:38,594
Speaker 3: he's in the better position to make the pay.

2056
01:33:38,674 --> 01:33:40,714
Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying. If you if you play the

2057
01:33:40,794 --> 01:33:44,714
Speaker 5: ball right, you're looking when the ball is underthrown and

2058
01:33:44,754 --> 01:33:46,314
Speaker 5: you can go and make a play on it now.

2059
01:33:46,434 --> 01:33:49,194
Speaker 5: And I understand Evan what Evan's talking about. And Bill

2060
01:33:49,274 --> 01:33:54,154
Speaker 5: has also talked to us about this. Fans used to

2061
01:33:54,194 --> 01:33:58,274
Speaker 5: really get on the Patriots defensive backs for never looking back,

2062
01:33:58,514 --> 01:34:02,154
Speaker 5: and Bill used to explain, they're not taught always to

2063
01:34:02,234 --> 01:34:06,114
Speaker 5: look back. It depends on the situation, depends on the route,

2064
01:34:06,114 --> 01:34:09,994
Speaker 5: it depends on phase. Yeah, you know, it depends on

2065
01:34:10,034 --> 01:34:12,594
Speaker 5: your positioning and whatnot. But you're not always taught to

2066
01:34:12,714 --> 01:34:13,194
Speaker 5: look back.

2067
01:34:13,194 --> 01:34:16,874
Speaker 11: Because that's my point is like the technique is not

2068
01:34:17,074 --> 01:34:19,114
Speaker 11: taught to look back for the football and like this

2069
01:34:19,234 --> 01:34:22,314
Speaker 11: is I think something that the league often misses out

2070
01:34:22,514 --> 01:34:25,754
Speaker 11: on is like these guys actually played football or are

2071
01:34:25,754 --> 01:34:28,194
Speaker 11: they just making up rules as we go here, because

2072
01:34:28,234 --> 01:34:32,354
Speaker 11: like they're they're they're calling DPIs like this that go

2073
01:34:33,194 --> 01:34:35,794
Speaker 11: strictly against the way that the play is coached.

2074
01:34:35,954 --> 01:34:37,994
Speaker 5: For me, it's all about a case by case. If

2075
01:34:37,994 --> 01:34:40,354
Speaker 5: I could watch ten plays that Tim could show me,

2076
01:34:40,634 --> 01:34:41,954
Speaker 5: and I'll bet you I would agree with him on

2077
01:34:41,994 --> 01:34:43,554
Speaker 5: at least five of them. Like, no, I wouldn't have

2078
01:34:43,554 --> 01:34:47,154
Speaker 5: called that passing flirites either, but not just the whole

2079
01:34:47,194 --> 01:34:50,434
Speaker 5: back shoulder thing when the receiver, Like no, you can't

2080
01:34:50,514 --> 01:34:52,874
Speaker 5: just be a traffic code and be in the way.

2081
01:34:53,114 --> 01:34:54,674
Speaker 5: Like if the guy's making a player on the ball

2082
01:34:54,674 --> 01:34:58,954
Speaker 5: and you're not, that's a penalty, yep, But like it's

2083
01:34:59,034 --> 01:35:02,034
Speaker 5: the you know it when you see it, like when

2084
01:35:02,114 --> 01:35:04,394
Speaker 5: you scram one around. Sometimes the receivers they look like

2085
01:35:04,394 --> 01:35:06,874
Speaker 5: they're like fish out of water and they're like just

2086
01:35:07,114 --> 01:35:09,634
Speaker 5: the hands of flailing and the defensive back is just

2087
01:35:09,714 --> 01:35:13,114
Speaker 5: there and they're almost like grabbing the defensive back and

2088
01:35:13,154 --> 01:35:15,954
Speaker 5: making it look like the guy's stopping them. Those are

2089
01:35:15,954 --> 01:35:16,794
Speaker 5: the cheesy calls.

2090
01:35:16,874 --> 01:35:18,674
Speaker 11: It actually doesn't bother me all that much, and we

2091
01:35:18,794 --> 01:35:22,274
Speaker 11: just really, yeah, I hate.

2092
01:35:22,194 --> 01:35:25,114
Speaker 5: The whole like it should be fifteen yards, Like no,

2093
01:35:25,354 --> 01:35:27,874
Speaker 5: it shouldn't be. Like I watched these college and they

2094
01:35:27,914 --> 01:35:30,114
Speaker 5: told these bombs and guys to have no idea where

2095
01:35:30,154 --> 01:35:33,074
Speaker 5: they are. The defensive backs have no idea, and they

2096
01:35:33,194 --> 01:35:36,434
Speaker 5: take these forty fifty yard plays away just by running

2097
01:35:36,434 --> 01:35:38,954
Speaker 5: into a guy and it's a fifteen yard penalty. Right.

2098
01:35:39,274 --> 01:35:39,994
Speaker 3: I don't like that.

2099
01:35:40,074 --> 01:35:42,394
Speaker 5: I know I think it should be a spot foul.

2100
01:35:42,274 --> 01:35:44,114
Speaker 3: But right, but a lot of people don't know, I know,

2101
01:35:44,954 --> 01:35:46,434
Speaker 3: not with you with minority.

2102
01:35:46,674 --> 01:35:48,074
Speaker 8: I just want to feel like the play actually had

2103
01:35:48,114 --> 01:35:49,714
Speaker 8: a chance like it, like those are the ones that

2104
01:35:49,834 --> 01:35:51,634
Speaker 8: get you where I'm like, there wasn't even a chance

2105
01:35:51,674 --> 01:35:52,354
Speaker 8: on that one like that.

2106
01:35:52,434 --> 01:35:53,874
Speaker 6: You know, you know what I'm talking about.

2107
01:35:54,074 --> 01:35:55,994
Speaker 5: This is what I'm saying that in the case my case,

2108
01:35:56,194 --> 01:35:57,874
Speaker 5: I'll bet you at least half of the passing the

2109
01:35:57,954 --> 01:36:01,034
Speaker 5: Fantasies and Patriots games this year, I've disagreed with both

2110
01:36:01,114 --> 01:36:02,554
Speaker 5: both sides both ways.

2111
01:36:02,674 --> 01:36:05,194
Speaker 11: I feel like holding an illegal contact has sort of

2112
01:36:05,354 --> 01:36:08,274
Speaker 11: worked as like a buffer so that not everything's a

2113
01:36:08,314 --> 01:36:12,354
Speaker 11: spot foul, because there's there definitely are different you know,

2114
01:36:12,834 --> 01:36:16,514
Speaker 11: degrees of like how egregious the foul is, and so

2115
01:36:16,634 --> 01:36:19,114
Speaker 11: to call everything a spot foul is probably going a

2116
01:36:19,114 --> 01:36:19,754
Speaker 11: little too far.

2117
01:36:20,514 --> 01:36:24,914
Speaker 3: Let's get back to the phones, Seawn's and Vancouver Ay, Sean, Sean.

2118
01:36:25,554 --> 01:36:26,634
Speaker 11: Hey, everyone else.

2119
01:36:27,434 --> 01:36:30,914
Speaker 19: I know I was a little pessimistic in the pregame show.

2120
01:36:31,994 --> 01:36:33,434
Speaker 15: Didn't really think the.

2121
01:36:33,394 --> 01:36:37,874
Speaker 19: Patriots We're going to win but I am really fron

2122
01:36:37,954 --> 01:36:40,674
Speaker 19: that they lost and upset, but I want to bring

2123
01:36:40,834 --> 01:36:43,874
Speaker 19: some civil lining. I want to say that there are

2124
01:36:43,954 --> 01:36:46,314
Speaker 19: things I'm going to be looking for now. I have

2125
01:36:46,554 --> 01:36:49,874
Speaker 19: the bulk for a future with Austin. Maybe he can

2126
01:36:49,954 --> 01:36:54,194
Speaker 19: turn into a boundary corner. The tight ends look pretty

2127
01:36:54,194 --> 01:37:00,154
Speaker 19: good born and pop. They could be functional receivers if

2128
01:37:00,194 --> 01:37:03,594
Speaker 19: we get a number one. So that's what I'm watching

2129
01:37:03,634 --> 01:37:06,314
Speaker 19: for the next four games. We want to see the

2130
01:37:06,354 --> 01:37:08,154
Speaker 19: progress so we can make and see if it's more

2131
01:37:08,194 --> 01:37:14,274
Speaker 19: than just Drake and Gonzalez moving forward.

2132
01:37:14,314 --> 01:37:16,034
Speaker 15: So deb you gotta leave you with that, all right?

2133
01:37:16,074 --> 01:37:18,354
Speaker 3: Thanks? Vin. What are you guys looking for in the

2134
01:37:18,354 --> 01:37:21,874
Speaker 3: next four games. What's the thing that you're looking to

2135
01:37:22,034 --> 01:37:23,474
Speaker 3: most surprise.

2136
01:37:24,194 --> 01:37:26,554
Speaker 8: I'd like to see a surprise, like some something I'm

2137
01:37:26,554 --> 01:37:28,114
Speaker 8: not expecting, because a surprise win.

2138
01:37:28,274 --> 01:37:30,554
Speaker 6: Yeah, it could be that. Like I mean, I don't

2139
01:37:30,554 --> 01:37:31,674
Speaker 6: think it's crazy.

2140
01:37:31,834 --> 01:37:34,834
Speaker 8: I don't expect they'll beat the Chargers, but Chargers here

2141
01:37:35,154 --> 01:37:37,073
Speaker 8: right after Christmas, I mean, they'll be in the hunt.

2142
01:37:37,434 --> 01:37:39,954
Speaker 8: I just think there's opportunities for them to make some

2143
01:37:40,034 --> 01:37:42,234
Speaker 8: noise or at least to have a good impression going

2144
01:37:42,234 --> 01:37:42,874
Speaker 8: into the off season.

2145
01:37:42,914 --> 01:37:44,634
Speaker 6: But have a player have a good game.

2146
01:37:44,674 --> 01:37:46,074
Speaker 8: You know, I don't think anything they're gonna do over

2147
01:37:46,114 --> 01:37:48,634
Speaker 8: the last four games is going to change how you

2148
01:37:48,674 --> 01:37:50,794
Speaker 8: feel about the off season and the positions and all that.

2149
01:37:50,874 --> 01:37:53,634
Speaker 6: But you can at least say, all right, this guy coming.

2150
01:37:53,434 --> 01:37:55,074
Speaker 10: Into camp, you had a good, good, good end of

2151
01:37:55,114 --> 01:37:55,474
Speaker 10: the season.

2152
01:37:57,514 --> 01:37:59,994
Speaker 5: So if they could pull a ninety three and like

2153
01:38:00,194 --> 01:38:02,594
Speaker 5: rattle off, you know, let's say three win. You know,

2154
01:38:02,794 --> 01:38:04,474
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna say all four. Let's say they could

2155
01:38:04,474 --> 01:38:07,954
Speaker 5: win three, that I think would be the surprise. Like

2156
01:38:08,074 --> 01:38:10,594
Speaker 5: one game, I don't care, But if you can win

2157
01:38:10,634 --> 01:38:14,114
Speaker 5: three or four, that's a building block. That's a springboard

2158
01:38:14,154 --> 01:38:17,194
Speaker 5: into the off season. It certainly wasn't ninety three. Yeah,

2159
01:38:17,554 --> 01:38:20,314
Speaker 5: And I know the callers have mentioned like Detroit in

2160
01:38:20,354 --> 01:38:22,594
Speaker 5: that first year they were like, oh, I think they

2161
01:38:22,594 --> 01:38:25,154
Speaker 5: will zero to ten or something like that, and they

2162
01:38:25,274 --> 01:38:27,474
Speaker 5: finished three, three and one down the stretch, Like that's

2163
01:38:27,474 --> 01:38:29,594
Speaker 5: a springboard for you. Then the next year they went

2164
01:38:29,714 --> 01:38:31,874
Speaker 5: nine to eight, and last year they were in the

2165
01:38:31,994 --> 01:38:32,834
Speaker 5: NFC Championship.

2166
01:38:32,874 --> 01:38:38,554
Speaker 3: Is there any merit in trying trying to get Poke involved, Well,

2167
01:38:38,634 --> 01:38:40,994
Speaker 3: your second round pick with four games, Well, that kind.

2168
01:38:40,954 --> 01:38:42,714
Speaker 5: Of stuff is more of what I'm what I would

2169
01:38:42,714 --> 01:38:45,834
Speaker 5: be interested in the last four games, can you establish

2170
01:38:45,834 --> 01:38:48,194
Speaker 5: that Leydon Robinson as you left tackle right? I would

2171
01:38:48,234 --> 01:38:50,394
Speaker 5: disagree a little bit with Evan. I would put Cole

2172
01:38:50,474 --> 01:38:53,754
Speaker 5: Strange at center to see if he can play. You

2173
01:38:53,834 --> 01:38:57,114
Speaker 5: have four games. Is there any way Cayden Wallace can

2174
01:38:57,154 --> 01:39:00,034
Speaker 5: get healthy and back on the field and put him

2175
01:39:00,074 --> 01:39:02,834
Speaker 5: at right tackle. Four games is a decent sample if

2176
01:39:03,194 --> 01:39:06,394
Speaker 5: those guys can play, because now instead of needing four

2177
01:39:06,434 --> 01:39:09,674
Speaker 5: offensive linemen next year, I might only need two. Right, Well,

2178
01:39:09,714 --> 01:39:12,594
Speaker 5: maybe I need maybe I still need whatever. Maybe I

2179
01:39:12,674 --> 01:39:17,634
Speaker 5: found like my quality backups. Maybe I found a swing tackle.

2180
01:39:17,754 --> 01:39:20,234
Speaker 5: Maybe I found a you know, versatile guard who can

2181
01:39:20,234 --> 01:39:21,194
Speaker 5: play on both sides.

2182
01:39:21,274 --> 01:39:21,594
Speaker 18: I don't.

2183
01:39:21,634 --> 01:39:25,394
Speaker 5: I don't know Jalen Polk and Javon Baker, and they

2184
01:39:25,434 --> 01:39:29,394
Speaker 5: already have young receivers with Douglas in booty, you know,

2185
01:39:29,674 --> 01:39:32,994
Speaker 5: can they show any flashes and the and the good

2186
01:39:32,994 --> 01:39:34,714
Speaker 5: news I don't have a lot of faith in these things,

2187
01:39:34,754 --> 01:39:36,674
Speaker 5: by the way, but that's what I'd be hoping.

2188
01:39:36,794 --> 01:39:38,874
Speaker 3: The good news is that all these remaining games, their

2189
01:39:38,914 --> 01:39:42,634
Speaker 3: opponent will be playing for something, you know, because even

2190
01:39:42,674 --> 01:39:45,634
Speaker 3: the Bills, they've got the head on head advantage over

2191
01:39:45,714 --> 01:39:47,754
Speaker 3: Kansas City. See, all they need is Kansas City to.

2192
01:39:47,714 --> 01:39:51,314
Speaker 5: Lose once Arizona. Yeah, Arizona has got a game against

2193
01:39:51,314 --> 01:39:53,234
Speaker 5: Seattle this week that they kind of have to win.

2194
01:39:53,314 --> 01:39:56,074
Speaker 5: If they don't, okay, they they might, they might go.

2195
01:39:56,594 --> 01:39:58,954
Speaker 5: But yeah, I mean the Chargers are going to be

2196
01:39:58,994 --> 01:40:01,874
Speaker 5: in the playoff pitcher. And yeah, the Bills. I think

2197
01:40:01,914 --> 01:40:03,434
Speaker 5: you're right. I think the Bills will have a chance

2198
01:40:03,474 --> 01:40:05,394
Speaker 5: to get the number one seed. Yeah, and even if

2199
01:40:05,394 --> 01:40:07,194
Speaker 5: they don't, they want to fight for the number two seed.

2200
01:40:07,354 --> 01:40:07,834
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2201
01:40:07,914 --> 01:40:09,954
Speaker 11: I'm less caught up on the personnel because they think

2202
01:40:09,954 --> 01:40:11,954
Speaker 11: it's going to take a lot. I do too, for

2203
01:40:11,994 --> 01:40:14,754
Speaker 11: me to be convinced in four games that like Jalen

2204
01:40:14,794 --> 01:40:16,554
Speaker 11: polk Is is a player for this team.

2205
01:40:16,674 --> 01:40:19,034
Speaker 3: Yeah, but if he if he has four good games,

2206
01:40:19,194 --> 01:40:21,914
Speaker 3: it was against four good opponents.

2207
01:40:21,074 --> 01:40:21,914
Speaker 11: To be really good.

2208
01:40:21,914 --> 01:40:25,394
Speaker 5: But what if just out of you know, he's got

2209
01:40:25,514 --> 01:40:27,514
Speaker 5: I think he's got twelve catches. What if he had

2210
01:40:27,514 --> 01:40:28,954
Speaker 5: twelve in the last four games?

2211
01:40:29,314 --> 01:40:32,154
Speaker 11: I mean, and is he a player in the room, like, like,

2212
01:40:32,194 --> 01:40:34,434
Speaker 11: does he belong on the roster? Like I guess that's.

2213
01:40:34,274 --> 01:40:36,794
Speaker 5: What he's gonna be on the roster second round?

2214
01:40:36,954 --> 01:40:38,714
Speaker 11: Right, So, Like, I guess I could be convinced of

2215
01:40:38,754 --> 01:40:41,234
Speaker 11: that in that respect, but like that I am now

2216
01:40:41,274 --> 01:40:42,314
Speaker 11: going to count on him.

2217
01:40:42,354 --> 01:40:45,194
Speaker 5: That he completes the bomb to Javon Baker that Baker

2218
01:40:45,274 --> 01:40:46,274
Speaker 5: dropped in the preseason.

2219
01:40:46,754 --> 01:40:48,194
Speaker 11: That doesn't do it for me.

2220
01:40:48,874 --> 01:40:50,514
Speaker 6: Receiver off the table, we got it, we.

2221
01:40:50,474 --> 01:40:51,154
Speaker 5: Got I'm trying.

2222
01:40:51,874 --> 01:40:53,954
Speaker 11: Personnel wise, there's not much I don't I don't think

2223
01:40:53,994 --> 01:40:56,874
Speaker 11: that it's gonna convince me that, oh, well, we have

2224
01:40:57,034 --> 01:40:59,474
Speaker 11: Jalen Polk, so like forget about T Higgins, Like we

2225
01:40:59,474 --> 01:41:02,914
Speaker 11: don't need that guy anymore. Say that, but like okay,

2226
01:41:03,074 --> 01:41:06,914
Speaker 11: like even Andy Hart, but not even just just not

2227
01:41:06,954 --> 01:41:10,234
Speaker 11: even just T Higgins, Like I I don't think I'm

2228
01:41:10,274 --> 01:41:12,434
Speaker 11: convinced that Jalen Polk can play in this league, So

2229
01:41:12,554 --> 01:41:15,194
Speaker 11: like I need to like see way more.

2230
01:41:15,994 --> 01:41:17,594
Speaker 5: Like that's what I'm saying. What if he gets what

2231
01:41:17,634 --> 01:41:19,394
Speaker 5: if he had like four catches in each of the.

2232
01:41:19,674 --> 01:41:24,514
Speaker 11: My my bigger, my bigger the league, My bigger point

2233
01:41:25,874 --> 01:41:29,354
Speaker 11: is that to me, it's more about the coaching on

2234
01:41:29,514 --> 01:41:32,314
Speaker 11: offense and defense and like where we're headed on those

2235
01:41:32,354 --> 01:41:35,314
Speaker 11: sides of the ball from a coordinator perspective, like if

2236
01:41:35,314 --> 01:41:38,794
Speaker 11: this continues offensively, what we saw Sunday isn't just about

2237
01:41:38,794 --> 01:41:42,674
Speaker 11: the Colts. It's how they're going to play offense moving forward,

2238
01:41:42,954 --> 01:41:45,714
Speaker 11: then I feel pretty good about Alex van Pelt staying on.

2239
01:41:46,074 --> 01:41:48,074
Speaker 11: If they don't button up some of these details on

2240
01:41:48,154 --> 01:41:49,914
Speaker 11: defense and they don't fix some of these things that

2241
01:41:49,994 --> 01:41:52,754
Speaker 11: are going wrong for them defensively, they might have to

2242
01:41:52,754 --> 01:41:55,794
Speaker 11: ask some tough questions about DeMarcus Covington in the offseason

2243
01:41:55,994 --> 01:41:57,914
Speaker 11: and where they're headed on that side of the football.

2244
01:41:58,674 --> 01:42:02,874
Speaker 11: How you chess match against good teams tells you a

2245
01:42:02,914 --> 01:42:05,874
Speaker 11: whole lot about your coordinators moving forward.

2246
01:42:05,914 --> 01:42:08,434
Speaker 5: And I would really like to see, I mean, captain obvious,

2247
01:42:08,474 --> 01:42:10,434
Speaker 5: I'd really like to see Drake Bay play really well

2248
01:42:10,434 --> 01:42:13,074
Speaker 5: in bad weather yea, because it more than likely he's

2249
01:42:13,114 --> 01:42:15,474
Speaker 5: gonna have three bad weather games, yeah, every year.

2250
01:42:15,434 --> 01:42:16,594
Speaker 3: At least like the.

2251
01:42:18,274 --> 01:42:20,794
Speaker 5: Two Buffaloes in the Chargers or you know, that's two

2252
01:42:20,914 --> 01:42:23,314
Speaker 5: that are here, one in Buffalo. Chances are all three

2253
01:42:23,314 --> 01:42:25,074
Speaker 5: of those are going to be bad weather.

2254
01:42:25,434 --> 01:42:27,034
Speaker 6: Just I'm just piggyback on Evan.

2255
01:42:27,114 --> 01:42:28,674
Speaker 8: I'm just so interested to see what they come out

2256
01:42:28,714 --> 01:42:31,314
Speaker 8: with defensively against Buffalo, because we've seen that Buffalo team

2257
01:42:31,434 --> 01:42:34,154
Speaker 8: roll this defense when it was you know, okay with

2258
01:42:34,194 --> 01:42:37,114
Speaker 8: Bill running it, and now it's their worst defense they've

2259
01:42:37,114 --> 01:42:39,354
Speaker 8: had and how are they going to respond? Do they

2260
01:42:39,394 --> 01:42:41,194
Speaker 8: have anything in the in the like I think that's

2261
01:42:41,234 --> 01:42:41,714
Speaker 8: a great point.

2262
01:42:41,714 --> 01:42:43,714
Speaker 11: Can we cover receivers in the red zone? Like can

2263
01:42:43,754 --> 01:42:46,274
Speaker 11: we just like, let we don't have to fix everything

2264
01:42:46,514 --> 01:42:48,834
Speaker 11: right like, And this is I think like the bigger

2265
01:42:48,874 --> 01:42:50,914
Speaker 11: gripe that I have with Mayo two is it's like,

2266
01:42:51,194 --> 01:42:53,314
Speaker 11: you know, Bill would always go in and with like

2267
01:42:53,394 --> 01:42:56,474
Speaker 11: three things yeap that we need to button up. It

2268
01:42:56,554 --> 01:43:00,314
Speaker 11: wasn't let's try to fix the entire defense in one week.

2269
01:43:00,554 --> 01:43:03,394
Speaker 11: It's like, let's not, you know, have coverage bus in

2270
01:43:03,434 --> 01:43:05,394
Speaker 11: the red zone like we did in Miami. Let's get

2271
01:43:05,394 --> 01:43:08,073
Speaker 11: that buttoned up. First drive of the game against the Colts,

2272
01:43:08,714 --> 01:43:11,194
Speaker 11: two wide open receivers on a coverage bus for an

2273
01:43:11,194 --> 01:43:14,314
Speaker 11: easy touchdown. So like, you didn't fix it. You didn't

2274
01:43:14,354 --> 01:43:16,794
Speaker 11: fix the problem. So like at some point in time

2275
01:43:16,834 --> 01:43:18,594
Speaker 11: they have to show some signs of improvement.

2276
01:43:18,954 --> 01:43:21,954
Speaker 3: Riley's an Arizona. What's up? Riley? We'll see you next week.

2277
01:43:23,474 --> 01:43:24,994
Speaker 15: Hey, what's going on? Gentlemen?

2278
01:43:25,274 --> 01:43:25,474
Speaker 3: Hey?

2279
01:43:26,634 --> 01:43:30,234
Speaker 15: Hey, just a couple of quick thoughts here, because I

2280
01:43:30,434 --> 01:43:33,714
Speaker 15: was obviously on Mayo's defense of things what I called

2281
01:43:34,234 --> 01:43:37,194
Speaker 15: a few weeks ago saying that everybody needs to kind of,

2282
01:43:37,474 --> 01:43:40,994
Speaker 15: you know, bring back the reins and real a man

2283
01:43:41,034 --> 01:43:46,914
Speaker 15: on the criticism on Mayo. But it's some of the

2284
01:43:46,994 --> 01:43:50,834
Speaker 15: things that were just witnessing. It just really makes me

2285
01:43:50,994 --> 01:43:54,514
Speaker 15: scratch my head and question what the hell are we doing?

2286
01:43:56,114 --> 01:43:59,314
Speaker 15: And we're obviously at the home spreads of the season

2287
01:43:59,354 --> 01:44:02,714
Speaker 15: here where you would like to see a smooth operation

2288
01:44:03,034 --> 01:44:06,274
Speaker 15: and you would like to see things buttoned up, but

2289
01:44:07,394 --> 01:44:13,714
Speaker 15: there's just so many glaring issues from Van Pelt. And

2290
01:44:13,874 --> 01:44:17,114
Speaker 15: don't get me wrong, I think Van Telt has you know,

2291
01:44:17,834 --> 01:44:21,314
Speaker 15: had some really good play calls the last few games,

2292
01:44:21,434 --> 01:44:24,754
Speaker 15: especially in this game versus the Colts and that opening

2293
01:44:24,874 --> 01:44:28,914
Speaker 15: drive versus Miami, and same with the Rams. But it's

2294
01:44:28,994 --> 01:44:32,954
Speaker 15: kind of like what Evan alludes to, what kind of

2295
01:44:33,034 --> 01:44:37,034
Speaker 15: identity are we are? We Are we a run first team?

2296
01:44:37,074 --> 01:44:40,274
Speaker 15: Are we a pass first team? And at this point

2297
01:44:40,314 --> 01:44:42,954
Speaker 15: the season, I would think that they would have some

2298
01:44:43,034 --> 01:44:46,594
Speaker 15: sort of identity, but we just see the same issues

2299
01:44:46,634 --> 01:44:50,274
Speaker 15: pomping up where ven Pel has a great first drive,

2300
01:44:50,914 --> 01:44:53,794
Speaker 15: you know, like I said, in this game, the Dolphins game,

2301
01:44:53,954 --> 01:44:58,674
Speaker 15: the Rams game, but then here we are running it

2302
01:44:58,874 --> 01:45:02,474
Speaker 15: on a first in ten and we run it, you know,

2303
01:45:02,674 --> 01:45:06,154
Speaker 15: two straight times, and then may take that attack on

2304
01:45:06,194 --> 01:45:09,394
Speaker 15: the third down when we're trying to score before half,

2305
01:45:10,714 --> 01:45:13,634
Speaker 15: and he did essentially the same thing just a few

2306
01:45:13,634 --> 01:45:18,954
Speaker 15: weeks ago against the Titans, where he prioritized the resetting

2307
01:45:18,994 --> 01:45:21,434
Speaker 15: of the downs more so than going down the field

2308
01:45:21,474 --> 01:45:25,994
Speaker 15: and scoring and putting points on the board. So that's

2309
01:45:26,034 --> 01:45:29,314
Speaker 15: just something that I think we definitely need to get

2310
01:45:29,354 --> 01:45:32,514
Speaker 15: figured out. But my main concern is more so on

2311
01:45:32,554 --> 01:45:35,794
Speaker 15: the defense side of the ball, because I think ben

2312
01:45:35,834 --> 01:45:39,274
Speaker 15: Felt will clean up those things and kind of get

2313
01:45:39,794 --> 01:45:41,834
Speaker 15: a better feel rolling in the next season. But I

2314
01:45:41,874 --> 01:45:44,834
Speaker 15: definitely agree with you guys, I think there definitely is

2315
01:45:44,874 --> 01:45:50,714
Speaker 15: some questions surrounding Covington and where we go from there,

2316
01:45:50,874 --> 01:45:53,994
Speaker 15: because you just see the same mistakes week in and

2317
01:45:54,034 --> 01:45:57,234
Speaker 15: week out where there's just giant coverage busts and we

2318
01:45:57,314 --> 01:46:01,274
Speaker 15: have guys wide open waltzing into the end zone And.

2319
01:46:01,314 --> 01:46:08,074
Speaker 3: To me, oh, sorry, Riley fast Finger, but I get it.

2320
01:46:07,194 --> 01:46:12,194
Speaker 3: Is it the defensive coordinators job to be teaching the

2321
01:46:12,234 --> 01:46:16,314
Speaker 3: fundamentals and getting those mistakes out or is that the

2322
01:46:16,314 --> 01:46:19,434
Speaker 3: position coaches job or what are we referring to as

2323
01:46:19,434 --> 01:46:24,554
Speaker 3: the fundamentals mistakes like you know, not filling you know,

2324
01:46:24,954 --> 01:46:26,514
Speaker 3: run fits and things like that.

2325
01:46:27,434 --> 01:46:29,554
Speaker 5: I think so, like you want to say like tackling

2326
01:46:29,674 --> 01:46:32,834
Speaker 5: or like everyone was talking about techniques on pass defense

2327
01:46:32,874 --> 01:46:36,194
Speaker 5: with a corner, right, that's probably more of a position coach. Yeah,

2328
01:46:36,554 --> 01:46:40,594
Speaker 5: but the your game plan to stop the run is

2329
01:46:40,954 --> 01:46:45,434
Speaker 5: your run fits. Yeah, and you're discipline, especially gap integrity, and.

2330
01:46:45,114 --> 01:46:48,034
Speaker 11: That involves all eleven guys, right, So you're really talking

2331
01:46:48,074 --> 01:46:51,034
Speaker 11: about the holistic style of the defense and how you

2332
01:46:51,074 --> 01:46:54,154
Speaker 11: want to go about doing things. I you know, on

2333
01:46:54,194 --> 01:46:56,914
Speaker 11: the play calling side of things, like, I think one

2334
01:46:56,954 --> 01:47:00,154
Speaker 11: of the most overrated things coming out of games is

2335
01:47:00,234 --> 01:47:04,474
Speaker 11: second guessing play calling. Obviously, when the play call doesn't work,

2336
01:47:04,674 --> 01:47:08,234
Speaker 11: we're all going to sit here and say, horrible play call, right.

2337
01:47:08,314 --> 01:47:10,394
Speaker 5: Not me. I thought it was a horrible play call

2338
01:47:10,434 --> 01:47:11,674
Speaker 5: and a touchdown run by Antonio.

2339
01:47:12,234 --> 01:47:15,474
Speaker 11: Yeah, Like you know, like those types of things just

2340
01:47:15,714 --> 01:47:19,234
Speaker 11: kind of irk me because it's always a results based thing, like, oh, yeah,

2341
01:47:19,234 --> 01:47:21,154
Speaker 11: this is a great play call because it went for

2342
01:47:21,154 --> 01:47:23,914
Speaker 11: a fifty yard touchdown. Well he took a sack. Horrible

2343
01:47:23,954 --> 01:47:27,554
Speaker 11: play call. Like to me, the best play callers are

2344
01:47:27,834 --> 01:47:31,594
Speaker 11: call or play designers that have plays that have answers

2345
01:47:31,594 --> 01:47:34,714
Speaker 11: to the test no matter what the defense is in, right,

2346
01:47:34,834 --> 01:47:38,434
Speaker 11: Like whether if it's manner zone, it's single high, it's

2347
01:47:38,434 --> 01:47:41,194
Speaker 11: too high. However, they're fitting the run if there's an

2348
01:47:41,194 --> 01:47:44,674
Speaker 11: extra hat in the box, like whatever. Good play callers

2349
01:47:44,674 --> 01:47:48,554
Speaker 11: and good offensive coordinators and offensive minds they call plays

2350
01:47:48,954 --> 01:47:53,074
Speaker 11: that have built in answers for whatever they're gonna get

2351
01:47:53,074 --> 01:47:53,514
Speaker 11: thrown at.

2352
01:47:53,714 --> 01:47:57,034
Speaker 5: So sequence so acting plays, setting plays up.

2353
01:47:57,194 --> 01:47:59,914
Speaker 3: So it's second and eight and you know Van Pelt

2354
01:47:59,914 --> 01:48:02,514
Speaker 3: gets criticized for running the ball again, Yeah, is there

2355
01:48:02,514 --> 01:48:04,954
Speaker 3: any chance on second and eight? Drake May sees what

2356
01:48:05,674 --> 01:48:09,594
Speaker 3: the defense is offering and calls out of a pass

2357
01:48:09,634 --> 01:48:10,354
Speaker 3: into a run.

2358
01:48:10,674 --> 01:48:13,234
Speaker 11: So they have cans right like, so depending on what

2359
01:48:13,274 --> 01:48:15,514
Speaker 11: the defense is in, they'll can of call like if

2360
01:48:15,514 --> 01:48:17,714
Speaker 11: the defense is in single high and they have they

2361
01:48:17,794 --> 01:48:20,754
Speaker 11: might have a run and like a play action pass called,

2362
01:48:20,834 --> 01:48:23,154
Speaker 11: and so that if they start in the run, they

2363
01:48:23,154 --> 01:48:25,074
Speaker 11: could go can can and then they can run the

2364
01:48:25,434 --> 01:48:27,154
Speaker 11: action pass because they have a look that they like

2365
01:48:27,234 --> 01:48:29,594
Speaker 11: the play action pass into. So they do some of

2366
01:48:29,634 --> 01:48:32,754
Speaker 11: that type of stuff. But in terms of like Tom

2367
01:48:32,794 --> 01:48:35,754
Speaker 11: Brady level PhD, like we're gonna re you know, adjust

2368
01:48:35,794 --> 01:48:38,434
Speaker 11: the entire chessboard. I don't think we're at that point

2369
01:48:38,514 --> 01:48:41,954
Speaker 11: yet with a rookie quarterback, but to me, it's just like.

2370
01:48:42,234 --> 01:48:44,714
Speaker 3: So I guess what I'm getting to is when you

2371
01:48:44,794 --> 01:48:47,394
Speaker 3: grind the all twenty two I try, and you're looking

2372
01:48:47,434 --> 01:48:49,074
Speaker 3: at that second and A and you look at what

2373
01:48:49,154 --> 01:48:53,394
Speaker 3: the defense is in. Is the run call the right call?

2374
01:48:54,074 --> 01:48:56,394
Speaker 11: Yeah? Like you know, so the two plays that people

2375
01:48:56,394 --> 01:48:58,874
Speaker 11: are keep on bringing up before half are actually are

2376
01:48:58,954 --> 01:49:03,434
Speaker 11: actually are pos. So they have routes connected to the run.

2377
01:49:03,754 --> 01:49:06,074
Speaker 11: And Drake is reading a guy in the box and

2378
01:49:06,154 --> 01:49:08,434
Speaker 11: determining whether he's gonna hand it off or he's gonna

2379
01:49:08,434 --> 01:49:11,554
Speaker 11: throw the football. So they actually had sort of run

2380
01:49:11,594 --> 01:49:15,234
Speaker 11: pass options on both of those plays, and so they

2381
01:49:15,234 --> 01:49:18,754
Speaker 11: both converted to runs and they didn't block it well

2382
01:49:18,874 --> 01:49:22,194
Speaker 11: and they got stuffed, you know, and so like, yeah,

2383
01:49:22,274 --> 01:49:24,794
Speaker 11: you could argue that maybe they shouldn't be running the

2384
01:49:24,834 --> 01:49:27,674
Speaker 11: ball at all, and like I get that argument, But

2385
01:49:27,714 --> 01:49:30,274
Speaker 11: to me, it's just like it's execution. You know, they

2386
01:49:30,874 --> 01:49:32,554
Speaker 11: as much as I get on them, you know, for

2387
01:49:32,594 --> 01:49:34,874
Speaker 11: a couple of the red zone drop back calls that

2388
01:49:34,914 --> 01:49:38,074
Speaker 11: he had, like they ran mesh in that one red

2389
01:49:38,154 --> 01:49:40,634
Speaker 11: zone play that Drake may get sacked on and Kendrick

2390
01:49:40,634 --> 01:49:41,754
Speaker 11: Bourne runs the wrong.

2391
01:49:41,594 --> 01:49:43,154
Speaker 5: Route, is standing next to each other.

2392
01:49:43,434 --> 01:49:45,394
Speaker 11: Yeah, Like he runs the wrong route, Like, so, is

2393
01:49:45,394 --> 01:49:47,994
Speaker 11: that the coordinator's fault that the play didn't work because.

2394
01:49:47,794 --> 01:49:52,274
Speaker 3: They actually stopped in the same place they Dideah, they did.

2395
01:49:52,514 --> 01:49:55,194
Speaker 11: And when I say coordinator's fault, yes, it's the coordinator's

2396
01:49:55,194 --> 01:49:58,114
Speaker 11: fault that the team isn't buttoned up. I'm more mean, like,

2397
01:49:58,234 --> 01:50:00,194
Speaker 11: is the play call at fault for that half?

2398
01:50:00,394 --> 01:50:03,394
Speaker 5: I would just say I thought Sunday, you know the

2399
01:50:03,714 --> 01:50:06,114
Speaker 5: call at Riley was just saying, like another game where

2400
01:50:06,114 --> 01:50:08,354
Speaker 5: a you know, the opening script was good, It wasn't

2401
01:50:08,394 --> 01:50:11,794
Speaker 5: just the whole game was good. They of offense and

2402
01:50:11,834 --> 01:50:14,434
Speaker 5: they moved the ball very well in the first half.

2403
01:50:14,714 --> 01:50:18,794
Speaker 5: And in the second half. It wasn't just the opening script. Uh, Miami.

2404
01:50:18,834 --> 01:50:20,954
Speaker 5: They didn't move the ball at all in the game.

2405
01:50:21,034 --> 01:50:23,154
Speaker 5: They had one drive, the second drive of the game

2406
01:50:23,274 --> 01:50:27,394
Speaker 5: was the only halfway decent drive, and that was it.

2407
01:50:27,434 --> 01:50:30,114
Speaker 5: They got shut out for three quarters. This game was

2408
01:50:30,194 --> 01:50:32,874
Speaker 5: light years different than the last game. Yeah, And I

2409
01:50:32,914 --> 01:50:35,234
Speaker 5: think that part of that was I was so frustrating.

2410
01:50:35,274 --> 01:50:37,994
Speaker 5: Part of that was game plan. In play calling. I

2411
01:50:38,034 --> 01:50:39,874
Speaker 5: thought they did a good job of it. I like

2412
01:50:39,954 --> 01:50:42,314
Speaker 5: Evan said, no one's ever going to agree with every

2413
01:50:42,314 --> 01:50:45,194
Speaker 5: play call. I thought the second and eight at the

2414
01:50:45,394 --> 01:50:47,634
Speaker 5: end and the end of the half. Was a bad call.

2415
01:50:48,114 --> 01:50:50,234
Speaker 5: Even if it's an RPO, I don't like it. I'd

2416
01:50:50,314 --> 01:50:52,834
Speaker 5: rather have Drake throwing the ball. And I hated the

2417
01:50:52,874 --> 01:50:56,914
Speaker 5: second and eight run call after the Gonzales pick. You know,

2418
01:50:57,074 --> 01:50:58,994
Speaker 5: you want to run it on first down. Fine, I

2419
01:50:58,994 --> 01:51:01,074
Speaker 5: would have taken a shot on first down, but you

2420
01:51:01,114 --> 01:51:03,794
Speaker 5: want to run it fine, second and eight. We got

2421
01:51:03,834 --> 01:51:04,514
Speaker 5: to get points.

2422
01:51:04,634 --> 01:51:05,354
Speaker 7: Yeah, we got to.

2423
01:51:05,394 --> 01:51:05,954
Speaker 5: End this game.

2424
01:51:06,034 --> 01:51:08,274
Speaker 11: Yeah, the second, the second and long runs have to

2425
01:51:08,314 --> 01:51:11,034
Speaker 11: go like that's a big math. No, no too, like

2426
01:51:11,074 --> 01:51:13,954
Speaker 11: the analytics nerds, you run it on second and second.

2427
01:51:14,234 --> 01:51:17,074
Speaker 5: Touchdown run for Antonio Gibson. I hated the call. Yeah,

2428
01:51:17,074 --> 01:51:17,594
Speaker 5: I hated it.

2429
01:51:17,834 --> 01:51:20,394
Speaker 11: Consistent though those are a little different inside the red

2430
01:51:20,514 --> 01:51:23,234
Speaker 11: zone for the nerds, like between the twenty second and

2431
01:51:23,234 --> 01:51:25,794
Speaker 11: long runs like the nerds was I might as well

2432
01:51:25,794 --> 01:51:26,154
Speaker 11: just punted.

2433
01:51:27,594 --> 01:51:30,074
Speaker 5: That was a really good run by Gibson. There wasn't

2434
01:51:30,074 --> 01:51:32,754
Speaker 5: a touchdown like that wasn't blocked for a touchdown.

2435
01:51:32,794 --> 01:51:34,874
Speaker 11: Quite According to the next Gen that had a two

2436
01:51:34,914 --> 01:51:36,674
Speaker 11: percent chance of being a touchdown.

2437
01:51:36,834 --> 01:51:39,514
Speaker 5: Thank you. Yeah, so that was a good run.

2438
01:51:39,994 --> 01:51:44,554
Speaker 3: Sean's in Toronto. Hey Sean, Hey, guys.

2439
01:51:44,274 --> 01:51:46,754
Speaker 20: I just wanted to venge a little bit about the

2440
01:51:46,874 --> 01:51:49,594
Speaker 20: NFL replay system and get your thoughts about.

2441
01:51:49,434 --> 01:51:52,114
Speaker 15: How they can make it a little bit more equal here.

2442
01:51:53,274 --> 01:51:55,474
Speaker 20: I just noticed how it affects the Patriots is that

2443
01:51:55,794 --> 01:51:58,354
Speaker 20: had they become a less watchful product and a less

2444
01:51:58,354 --> 01:52:00,794
Speaker 20: of a draw, you get like the worst CBS crew

2445
01:52:00,914 --> 01:52:03,834
Speaker 20: or the bottom of the barrel box crew who loads

2446
01:52:03,874 --> 01:52:06,434
Speaker 20: their stadium up with five camera angles and when it's

2447
01:52:06,474 --> 01:52:08,674
Speaker 20: time to go to a replay, you're kind of stuck

2448
01:52:08,714 --> 01:52:11,434
Speaker 20: with what they got. Meanwhile, you got the NBC crew

2449
01:52:11,514 --> 01:52:14,154
Speaker 20: or the primetime games that could really zoom in and

2450
01:52:14,194 --> 01:52:17,114
Speaker 20: get the perfect angle on something. I don't know if

2451
01:52:17,114 --> 01:52:20,394
Speaker 20: it's the NFL being keep, if it's the broadcast being keep,

2452
01:52:20,474 --> 01:52:23,754
Speaker 20: where if a certain stadium can't put cameras in certain places.

2453
01:52:24,034 --> 01:52:26,234
Speaker 20: But I'm curious to hear your thought about if there's

2454
01:52:26,314 --> 01:52:29,554
Speaker 20: any way the NFL can make their replay system a

2455
01:52:29,554 --> 01:52:31,754
Speaker 20: little bit more uniform and a little bit more equal

2456
01:52:31,834 --> 01:52:34,114
Speaker 20: to each game that's going on across the league.

2457
01:52:34,234 --> 01:52:34,434
Speaker 17: Yeah.

2458
01:52:34,474 --> 01:52:36,434
Speaker 5: No, it's a good question, Sean now, and I think

2459
01:52:36,514 --> 01:52:39,153
Speaker 5: it's a great point, Sean. It's one I've railed against

2460
01:52:39,274 --> 01:52:41,634
Speaker 5: for years. Every game should be treated exactly this well.

2461
01:52:41,674 --> 01:52:44,634
Speaker 3: I think. I know there's a minimum amount of cameras

2462
01:52:44,914 --> 01:52:47,314
Speaker 3: broadcast needs. There is, and I know on the big

2463
01:52:47,354 --> 01:52:50,554
Speaker 3: primetime games there are extra cameras. What I don't know

2464
01:52:51,474 --> 01:52:55,994
Speaker 3: is are those extra cameras cameras that would come into

2465
01:52:56,074 --> 01:52:59,434
Speaker 3: play on a replay. I'm not sure about that because.

2466
01:52:59,194 --> 01:53:01,714
Speaker 5: You see it on side games all the time, the

2467
01:53:01,794 --> 01:53:05,594
Speaker 5: NBC it there's different angles, there's different if the close

2468
01:53:05,674 --> 01:53:09,153
Speaker 5: that they can. Yeah, I think Sean's point is accurate.

2469
01:53:09,674 --> 01:53:13,474
Speaker 5: Whatever the most amount of technology that one game gets, they.

2470
01:53:13,394 --> 01:53:15,234
Speaker 3: Should all be All games should get it right.

2471
01:53:15,314 --> 01:53:17,834
Speaker 5: You don't get the coverage like sean'son you know, I

2472
01:53:17,914 --> 01:53:21,234
Speaker 5: understand that we get it, you know, like the third

2473
01:53:21,274 --> 01:53:25,354
Speaker 5: or fourth team. Yeah, for like Fox or CBS, that's fine,

2474
01:53:25,474 --> 01:53:27,474
Speaker 5: but they all should be covered the same in terms

2475
01:53:27,474 --> 01:53:30,834
Speaker 5: of the camera angles. Now, I don't think he's talking

2476
01:53:30,874 --> 01:53:33,194
Speaker 5: about this game in particular. I think he's talking about

2477
01:53:33,194 --> 01:53:34,034
Speaker 5: the NFL at large.

2478
01:53:34,194 --> 01:53:37,954
Speaker 3: YEP. Now, the other thing he alluded to is that

2479
01:53:38,434 --> 01:53:42,994
Speaker 3: even the crews vary, like every cameraman is not created equal.

2480
01:53:43,554 --> 01:53:46,274
Speaker 3: Some cameramen are better and.

2481
01:53:45,834 --> 01:53:47,914
Speaker 5: Right, but I think for the most part, you get

2482
01:53:47,954 --> 01:53:50,314
Speaker 5: all the shots that you need. You just don't have

2483
01:53:50,354 --> 01:53:52,994
Speaker 5: as many angles because some games don't have as many.

2484
01:53:53,034 --> 01:53:56,714
Speaker 5: I know, I know, like we saw the play on Sunday, Like,

2485
01:53:56,754 --> 01:53:59,154
Speaker 5: if you want, if they could have challenged that call

2486
01:53:59,394 --> 01:54:00,994
Speaker 5: if they wanted to, we saw it right away.

2487
01:54:00,994 --> 01:54:03,113
Speaker 3: We only saw that. I only saw that one angle

2488
01:54:03,194 --> 01:54:05,954
Speaker 3: from behind the play or in front of the.

2489
01:54:05,874 --> 01:54:07,674
Speaker 5: Play, Right, what's the only angle you need?

2490
01:54:07,794 --> 01:54:10,194
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know. There's probably other angles of that play.

2491
01:54:10,394 --> 01:54:13,114
Speaker 5: No, I understand that, but they showed it immediately. As

2492
01:54:13,154 --> 01:54:14,994
Speaker 5: my point, if you wanted to challenge it, they could

2493
01:54:14,994 --> 01:54:16,954
Speaker 5: have challenged it. I think sort of, we didn't get

2494
01:54:16,954 --> 01:54:18,994
Speaker 5: a good look at it. It's kind of a cop out.

2495
01:54:19,914 --> 01:54:22,474
Speaker 5: I think that you're right. I think they would have

2496
01:54:22,634 --> 01:54:25,874
Speaker 5: not overturned that call. I think his hand were underneath

2497
01:54:25,874 --> 01:54:28,674
Speaker 5: the ball. He pinned it against his chest, and yes,

2498
01:54:28,714 --> 01:54:31,074
Speaker 5: the ball hit the grounds, but it didn't help him

2499
01:54:31,114 --> 01:54:31,754
Speaker 5: catch the ball.

2500
01:54:31,994 --> 01:54:34,634
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would have liked to see the other angle

2501
01:54:34,794 --> 01:54:39,034
Speaker 3: from like maybe the visit from the visitor sideline coming

2502
01:54:39,074 --> 01:54:41,634
Speaker 3: from the other way. I didn't see that, but.

2503
01:54:41,754 --> 01:54:43,954
Speaker 5: I but I agree with Sean's point. I don't understand

2504
01:54:44,034 --> 01:54:47,314
Speaker 5: how a league can have replay be involved, but yet

2505
01:54:47,554 --> 01:54:51,234
Speaker 5: not every not every game is equipped with the same

2506
01:54:51,274 --> 01:54:54,114
Speaker 5: amount of cameras depending on the caliber of game you

2507
01:54:54,154 --> 01:54:57,594
Speaker 5: should have. You know, Carolina and Jacksonville should get everything

2508
01:54:57,634 --> 01:55:01,994
Speaker 5: that you know Detroit and Philadelphia yet, Yeah, like it's

2509
01:55:02,034 --> 01:55:03,514
Speaker 5: not fair to have it be different.

2510
01:55:04,554 --> 01:55:06,874
Speaker 3: I'd love to ask somebody from the league the stance

2511
01:55:06,914 --> 01:55:07,234
Speaker 3: on that.

2512
01:55:07,274 --> 01:55:09,594
Speaker 5: And my guess is it's an NFL cheap like he

2513
01:55:10,354 --> 01:55:12,514
Speaker 5: Sean said that, Like, I don't know if the NFL

2514
01:55:12,554 --> 01:55:14,914
Speaker 5: is being cheap with a broadcast. Yeah, my guess is

2515
01:55:14,994 --> 01:55:17,314
Speaker 5: the broadcast bill used to say, you know, maybe we'll

2516
01:55:17,314 --> 01:55:19,114
Speaker 5: have a bake sale for the league.

2517
01:55:19,474 --> 01:55:23,034
Speaker 3: Yep, let's see. Well, a couple more emails before we

2518
01:55:23,114 --> 01:55:24,514
Speaker 3: have to wrap up here.

2519
01:55:24,674 --> 01:55:26,114
Speaker 5: Mike and have an went to the locker room, by

2520
01:55:26,114 --> 01:55:26,834
Speaker 5: the way.

2521
01:55:27,834 --> 01:55:31,194
Speaker 3: Yeah, they just want to take off Christopher from where.

2522
01:55:32,194 --> 01:55:35,154
Speaker 3: The only coach I have positive feelings about is Van Pelt.

2523
01:55:35,394 --> 01:55:38,114
Speaker 3: I think he, like May, has improved over the course

2524
01:55:38,754 --> 01:55:41,434
Speaker 3: of the season. Also, he should be given some credit

2525
01:55:41,474 --> 01:55:44,274
Speaker 3: in May's development. I don't know what Gerad does well

2526
01:55:44,314 --> 01:55:46,634
Speaker 3: and I haven't seen any improvement. He talks himself into

2527
01:55:46,674 --> 01:55:50,314
Speaker 3: trouble with the media almost weekly and keeps making mistakes

2528
01:55:50,314 --> 01:55:53,474
Speaker 3: that are very similar. Please p U crew inform me

2529
01:55:53,514 --> 01:55:56,434
Speaker 3: where I'm wrong. Is he a defensive X and O genius.

2530
01:55:56,474 --> 01:55:58,474
Speaker 3: How's the culture at three and nine? Should they be

2531
01:55:58,514 --> 01:56:02,154
Speaker 3: playing hard for him? They're professional millionaires. Wolf has a

2532
01:56:02,194 --> 01:56:05,194
Speaker 3: lot to prove. Mostly unimpressed. The jude On trade is

2533
01:56:05,194 --> 01:56:08,834
Speaker 3: probably his best move. I this offseason, with all the

2534
01:56:08,874 --> 01:56:12,434
Speaker 3: money and picks they have, there should be massive talent improvement.

2535
01:56:12,794 --> 01:56:15,714
Speaker 3: I really don't know about those running the show. I

2536
01:56:15,754 --> 01:56:17,714
Speaker 3: fear the kids convince Craft to get rid of the

2537
01:56:17,794 --> 01:56:21,634
Speaker 3: mean old man, and now it's Lord of the Flies. Yeah,

2538
01:56:21,994 --> 01:56:24,354
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think it's that bad. Really, no, I.

2539
01:56:24,274 --> 01:56:27,874
Speaker 5: Don't either, And I just I think, you know, I'm

2540
01:56:27,914 --> 01:56:30,394
Speaker 5: thinking back to Emery's call from about a half hour ago,

2541
01:56:30,434 --> 01:56:33,234
Speaker 5: Emory in Virginia, and I think that he's right. Like

2542
01:56:33,274 --> 01:56:36,594
Speaker 5: I look at it and say, yeah, all the things

2543
01:56:36,594 --> 01:56:39,994
Speaker 5: that people are criticizing are probably valid. But let's give

2544
01:56:39,994 --> 01:56:43,114
Speaker 5: it a little time for Elliott Wolf and for Girodmeo

2545
01:56:43,314 --> 01:56:45,594
Speaker 5: to sort of see their vision through and see if

2546
01:56:45,594 --> 01:56:47,314
Speaker 5: they can get that. I don't think it was a

2547
01:56:47,354 --> 01:56:51,074
Speaker 5: great first year, but let's see if they can get

2548
01:56:51,194 --> 01:56:52,914
Speaker 5: some players in here that they want to work with

2549
01:56:52,954 --> 01:56:53,634
Speaker 5: and if they improve.

2550
01:56:53,754 --> 01:56:58,994
Speaker 3: I'm afraid of what Evan was talking about about this draft,

2551
01:56:59,074 --> 01:57:01,714
Speaker 3: and that's going to be the excuse. Well, it wasn't

2552
01:57:01,754 --> 01:57:02,194
Speaker 3: a very.

2553
01:57:02,234 --> 01:57:06,074
Speaker 5: Well this draft, but we have to have a minimum.

2554
01:57:05,594 --> 01:57:08,634
Speaker 3: Of three players from that draft be contributors in twenty

2555
01:57:08,674 --> 01:57:09,234
Speaker 3: twenty five.

2556
01:57:09,354 --> 01:57:11,034
Speaker 5: But can they contribute or are they good?

2557
01:57:11,714 --> 01:57:15,234
Speaker 3: The good contributors good. I'm not saying they're gonna like

2558
01:57:15,354 --> 01:57:17,474
Speaker 3: good need to be good. I believe it when they

2559
01:57:17,474 --> 01:57:19,914
Speaker 3: say there's not enough Blue Chippers. I get that, but

2560
01:57:20,074 --> 01:57:22,034
Speaker 3: look at all the players in the league that are

2561
01:57:22,114 --> 01:57:23,474
Speaker 3: third fourth round players.

2562
01:57:24,074 --> 01:57:26,594
Speaker 5: You need to find contribute and you need to use

2563
01:57:26,634 --> 01:57:29,914
Speaker 5: money in free agency. You need to like both both that.

2564
01:57:30,274 --> 01:57:32,274
Speaker 5: I heard a call yesterday and I don't know if

2565
01:57:32,274 --> 01:57:34,674
Speaker 5: it was accurate, a call to one of my shows.

2566
01:57:34,794 --> 01:57:40,434
Speaker 5: Actually my show claim that Washington got five starters in

2567
01:57:40,474 --> 01:57:44,954
Speaker 5: the draft and five players in free agency in the draft. Now,

2568
01:57:45,234 --> 01:57:47,834
Speaker 5: I don't think Washington's a great team, but.

2569
01:57:48,474 --> 01:57:51,954
Speaker 3: They're count to earth a little bit. But put forty two.

2570
01:57:51,754 --> 01:57:55,314
Speaker 5: On the board last week, but they want I think

2571
01:57:55,314 --> 01:57:58,154
Speaker 5: they're eight and five. They're well ahead of schedule in

2572
01:57:58,194 --> 01:58:00,354
Speaker 5: terms of competing for the playoffs. They're in a very

2573
01:58:00,394 --> 01:58:04,034
Speaker 5: similar spot that you are. They had the second overall pick, YEP,

2574
01:58:04,954 --> 01:58:07,154
Speaker 5: and they drafted a rookie quarterback who hit.

2575
01:58:07,154 --> 01:58:08,114
Speaker 3: It's a good comp.

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Speaker 5: It's a good comp. I heard they had you hear

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Speaker 5: Did you hear this conversation? Yeah, yesterday I thought it

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Speaker 5: was you know, it was an interesting comp. Now. I

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Speaker 5: don't know how good all those players are. I don't

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Speaker 5: know who the free agents they're talking about are. But

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Speaker 5: you can do it. You can add to your team. Now,

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Speaker 5: is it the typical free agent bump that you get

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Speaker 5: a bump in year one and it's not really good

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Speaker 5: for long term sustain success.

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Speaker 3: We'll see.

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Speaker 5: We'll see.

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Speaker 3: The Patriots can turn this around quickly.

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Speaker 5: I think there's no reason why they can't be a

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Speaker 5: competitive team next year.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 5: But it's not going to be easy.

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Speaker 3: No, they have to make the right moves.

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Speaker 5: You have the hardest piece to find. You have a

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01:58:49,034 --> 01:58:51,514
Speaker 5: talented quarterback. I don't know how good he is. I

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01:58:51,954 --> 01:58:54,234
Speaker 5: do know how talented he is. I don't know how

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01:58:54,274 --> 01:58:57,154
Speaker 5: good of a quarterback he is yet, But you have

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Speaker 5: the hardest piece to find. He can do things that

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Speaker 5: your last guy couldn't. Now it's up to you to

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Speaker 5: get some guys around him that can make place. All right,

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Speaker 5: protect them.

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Speaker 3: That's going to be it for this edition of Patriots Unfiltered.

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