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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, I want to share something special with you

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Speaker 1: this week. It's an episode of a new podcast I'm

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Speaker 1: pumped about, called The Devil You Know. In the nineteen

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Speaker 1: eighties and nineties, Satan and his followers were accused of

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Speaker 1: brainwashing children, sacrificing babies, and infiltrating North American society on

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Speaker 1: a massive scale. Yet these thousands of alleged Satanists were

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Speaker 1: nowhere to be found. Even so, the narrative became embedded

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Speaker 1: in our cultural memory, wharping everything at touched, including the

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Speaker 1: lives of innocent people, and it never quite died out.

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Speaker 1: You may know Sarah Marshall as the host of You'r Wrongabout.

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Speaker 1: In her new show, The Devil You Know, she explores

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Speaker 1: the tangled web of the Satanic Panic, a journey that

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Speaker 1: will take you everywhere from Victoria, BC to rural Kentucky

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Speaker 1: to San Antonio, Texas. This is a show about the

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Speaker 1: people who experienced the Satanic Panic in real time, the believers,

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Speaker 1: the skeptics, the bystanders, the wrongfully convicted. What was it

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Speaker 1: like to be a psychologist told to look for Satanists?

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Speaker 1: In every case? A mother slowly recovering memories of supposed

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Speaker 1: satanic abuse, a teenager accused of conspiracy to murder. The

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Speaker 1: stories of these eyewitnesses point us toward the real underlying problems,

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Speaker 1: and you can probably guess the problem wasn't the Satanists,

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Speaker 1: but us. Okay, here comes the episode. You can find

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Speaker 1: the devil, you know wherever you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 2: I didn't have any clue what that was all about,

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Speaker 2: but now our teacher made it clear that I should

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Speaker 2: get the hell out right away.

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Speaker 3: This is Diane. She's a photographer. Diane is not her

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Speaker 3: actual name, but what I've given her for her privacy

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Speaker 3: and also in honor of one of my favorite women

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Speaker 3: of the eighties, Diane on Cheers.

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Speaker 2: I'm an artist, photographer, designer, art educator, digital designer, and more.

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Speaker 3: Diane was telling me about a project she was working

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Speaker 3: on in the late nineteen eighties.

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Speaker 2: I planned and I arrived in the full.

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Speaker 3: It had her traveling around Kentucky.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't staying permanently then, but I was there to

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Speaker 3: She was photographing locals and also teaching them photography.

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Speaker 2: The first time I went, we had this little after

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Speaker 2: and their families were really friendly, and they were inviting

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Speaker 2: me over for dinners and stuff. So when I left

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Speaker 2: left with a really warm place in my heart for

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Speaker 3: She worked with people of all ages, including local high schoolers.

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Speaker 3: That's what brought her to this particular small town.

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Speaker 2: So it was a pretty old town. It was really

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Speaker 3: But before Diane could really settle in and get to work,

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Speaker 2: And the art teacher turned to me, looked at me

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Speaker 2: real seriously, and he said leave right away. So I did.

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Speaker 2: I mean? I arrived in the town hopeful and optimistic,

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Speaker 2: And when I left, I couldn't drive fast enough. It

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Speaker 2: if I would end up, you know, thrown in a cave.

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Speaker 3: Diane, a stranger in a small town, had unwittingly become

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Speaker 2: You know. At the time, I remember hearing about, you know,

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Speaker 3: What happened to Diane was a microcosm of a larger

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Speaker 3: conspiracy sweeping the nation throughout the nineteen eighties. It was

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Speaker 3: a conspiracy about a conspiracy. It was a story where

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Speaker 3: rumor became panic, and eventually that panic became legend. That

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Speaker 3: But that also means it happened to individuals, and each

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Speaker 4: Anyways, the first version of it was that this was

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Speaker 5: I remember two days later, maybe even a day later,

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Speaker 2: You know, would you come in and come and talk

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Speaker 3: I'm sure you know I have nothing to hide.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, that was the worst thing I could have ever done.

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Speaker 3: So what did it look like to the individuals who

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Speaker 3: it through Diane's eyes. Come with me as I traced

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Speaker 3: the development of one small strange rumor, a rumor involving

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Speaker 3: virgin sacrifice, grave robbing, and Patrick Swayzee. I'm Sarah Marshall,

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Speaker 3: and this is the devil you know, Welcome to the eighties.

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Speaker 3: Here's what's in legwarmers, Madonna, phones that look like Star Wars,

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Speaker 3: trili gy and government initiative. Michael J. Fox, the de Laureate.

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Speaker 3: I'm Gohay Fox, Si Cha Koozi vcrgumic, cyndy, lauper, aquanett, fishnets,

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Speaker 3: and also apparently Satanism.

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Speaker 6: Good morning everyone, I'm Richard chair and welcome to people

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Speaker 6: are talking on this Monday. We are live on Television

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Speaker 6: Hill and as you know by watching previous programs on

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Speaker 6: people are talking that Satanism seems to be on the

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Speaker 6: rise here in the United States.

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Speaker 3: People, especially Americans. We're getting this information not from the fringes,

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Speaker 3: unnationally syndicated daytime talk shows like the Uprah Winfrey Show.

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Speaker 5: In every state in the nation, authorities are investigating some

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Speaker 5: form of what they call botanic activity, which is covinar.

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Speaker 3: Reportedly, people also heard these stories on primetime news, like

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Speaker 3: in this investigation by ABC's twenty twenty.

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Speaker 7: Dardling sobering results of a twenty twenty investigation, Satanism, devil

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Speaker 7: worship is being practiced all across the country.

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Speaker 8: We have all types of perversion going on as.

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Speaker 7: Affecting America, perverse hideous acts, DeFi belief, suicides, murders, and

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Speaker 3: Satan has been in North America for a long time,

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Speaker 3: at least according to some, began to enjoy a new

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Speaker 3: level of notoriety. In the nineteen sixties and seventies, Anton

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Speaker 3: in San Francisco, a church that, if you read the literature,

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Speaker 3: was about worshiping not Satan, but yourself and your ability

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Speaker 3: nineteen sixty nine crime spree, a case in which teenage

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Speaker 3: thrall of a man who commanded them to kill. Surely,

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Speaker 3: just some guy couldn't be responsible for such horrific crimes.

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Speaker 3: Surely it had to be Satan, and members of the

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Speaker 3: growing evangelical Christian movement began arguing that the Age of

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Speaker 3: Aquarius was really affront for Satan. One day you're reading

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Speaker 3: it's hard to know if Satan would have become quite

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Speaker 8: Satan his father, that guy, he came up from Hell

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Speaker 8: and beget a son, a mortal woman.

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Speaker 7: Pale Haydans his father and his name is Adrian.

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Speaker 3: That was Rosemary's Baby from nineteen sixty eight. It established

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Speaker 3: a market for devil movies, and there was no devil

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Speaker 3: movie bigger than The Exorcist in nineteen seventy three, which

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Speaker 3: told the story of an adolescent girl possessed by a

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Speaker 7: An excellent day an excitator.

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Speaker 3: But this pervasive fixation on Satan, both religious and secular,

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Speaker 3: Now stories of Satan tanic activity were no longer just

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Speaker 9: And we have essentially in a moral panic, a somewhat

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Speaker 9: regressive movement that it's trying to restore old moral lines

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Speaker 3: That is Mary to Young, professor emeritus of sociology at

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Speaker 3: Grand Valley State University. And according to Mary, many of

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Speaker 3: these fears tend to center around children and teenagers. And

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Speaker 3: the harms that might befall children, both physical and moral.

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Speaker 9: I mean, there was a lot of anxiety about what

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Speaker 9: That was it's one of the sources of social stress.

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Speaker 9: We also were dealing with the consequences of a recession.

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Speaker 3: And is there this idea that the nuclear family must

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Speaker 9: Well, you know, historically, the family has always been the

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Speaker 9: that are either going to, depending on your belief system,

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Speaker 3: This panic across the board was one whose proponents and

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Speaker 3: because it affected white America the way so many moral

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Speaker 3: more diverse group than their accusers. The weight of false

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Speaker 3: It feels like so many structural problems can be ignored

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Speaker 9: Right right? I mean, throughout history, there's always been something, someone,

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Speaker 9: some group of people, some ideology, whatever that's been labeled

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Speaker 9: as evil and evil. The word itself is an extremely

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Speaker 9: powerful word. Throwing it into a sentence really begins to

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Speaker 9: change the whole narrative about the problem that you're taking

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Speaker 3: De Young tells a story where the Satanic panic emerged

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Speaker 3: not just from the fears of everyday people, but from

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Speaker 3: a whole class of professionals.

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Speaker 9: All of a sudden, we had experts popping up on Satanism,

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Speaker 9: on cults, on Satanic cults, even on ritual abuse, which

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Speaker 9: was a brand new term.

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Speaker 3: Self appointed experts who could tell you how to find

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Speaker 10: Rumors of devil worship have spread like wildfire across a

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Speaker 5: Satan worshippers are looking for blonde, blue eyed children to

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Speaker 5: The state journal Frank the Messenger Inquirer owned the Louisville Courier,

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Speaker 3: September nineteen eighty eight, that is the very same month

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Speaker 2: We were at school. We had a lot of fun

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Speaker 3: You know, for hours, she was working in small towns

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Speaker 3: I'm curious about what this town was like, what it

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Speaker 2: It was pretty small, but when you drive in, you know,

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Speaker 2: you see hills and beautiful scenery. It's like one road

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Speaker 2: It was like a one everything town, one doctor, one

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Speaker 2: The outcome was always really friendly, and in doing my recognisance,

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Speaker 2: And for some reason, I remember, like for some reason,

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Speaker 2: So I was just so glad that I had left.

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Speaker 3: A Cincinnati photographer traveled through rural Kentucky taking photographs under

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't remember. I don't think that happened. I really,

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Speaker 2: I do want to tell you that right before I

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Speaker 3: Right, Probably they had to put on private lives, and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it could be so many different things,

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Speaker 3: I think that's the part of to me, the really

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Speaker 3: you know, it would be funny if it wasn't so dangerous,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it was not funny at all, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. I made some notes to kind of get

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Speaker 5: You know.

440
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 2: It's like, no, I'm not the victim here, but I

441
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 2: think also, I don't really know how much my experience

442
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 2: had to do with Satan Satanic in it, but I

443
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 2: do feel like it was part of the zeitgeist of

444
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 2: that time and they needed some excuse, you know, they

445
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:13,640
Speaker 2: needed some label for it. Even if it was you know,

446
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 2: anti Semitism, they weren't going to say that, so they

447
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 2: had to label it something, and that whole Satanic business

448
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 2: was timely.

449
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 3: I find it kind of very depressing that we find

450
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 3: ourselves in a worldview where people find it more believable

451
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,959
Speaker 3: that somebody is going to come from another town all

452
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 3: the way to your town to, according to the cover story,

453
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 3: at least try and sacrifice a virgin rather than just

454
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 3: being interested in teaching them photography.

455
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, why would anyone go all that way, go to

456
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 2: all that trouble, Yeah, just to like try and infiltrate

457
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 2: their lives for some other evil purpose.

458
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 8: You know.

459
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 3: It just doesn't make any sense either way. This is

460
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 3: the story that was left on the record and that

461
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 3: we have now. Satan is in the news. It's just

462
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 3: a matter of time until he shows up in your town.

463
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 3: There's a detail of Diane's story that I haven't been

464
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 3: able to get out of my head. The Black fabric

465
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 3: and the theater group. How in the world did something

466
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 3: so small fuel a rumor that engulfed an entire state

467
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 3: To answer that, we have to go to another small town, Hazard, Kentucky.

468
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 8: People around here we band together. You mess with us,

469
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 8: we'll mess you up.

470
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 3: That is Patrick Balch. He's in his forties now, and

471
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 3: he grew up in Hazzard.

472
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 8: About four bars on my and they had a store

473
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 8: called Dollars and a dime store. Oh my god, that

474
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 8: brings back so many memories. Hazard was just like a

475
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 8: ghost town when I was a kid.

476
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 3: In nineteen eighty eight, when Patrick was about eight years old,

477
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 3: Hollywood came to town.

478
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 8: They had an open casting call for locals to come

479
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,239
Speaker 8: in at the Holiday Inn and hazard. My mom just

480
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 8: took me because she was interested. She wanted to meet

481
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 8: Patrick Swazey because she basically thought he was a god.

482
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,479
Speaker 8: But ironically, when we went to the casting call, he

483
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 8: was sitting in the hotel bar. You've seen dirty dancing

484
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 8: ass and do you know the sleeveless shirt that he

485
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 8: wore in it. He was wearing that shirt. And we

486
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 8: go into the hotel bar and I immediately located and

487
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 8: She's like, that's not him. I was like, yes, it is,

488
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 8: and I walked up to him. I said, hey, Patrick,

489
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 8: he's turning around and started talking to me, and Mom's.

490
00:30:59,120 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 7: Joll just like.

491
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 3: Liam Neeson, Helen Hunt, Patrick Swayze, all of them were

492
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 3: there to film scenes for a movie called Next of Ken.

493
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 3: Patrick Swayze is Detective Truman Gates.

494
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 2: He's a country boy. We are gonna find Gerald's killer.

495
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 3: But he's got some unfinished business in the city.

496
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 8: Howdy brothers who've been separated for a while. One of

497
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 8: them gets murdered. The other one dressed to salve it

498
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 8: because he's a Chicago police officer, and he gets in

499
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 8: trouble and then his other brother comes to help to

500
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 8: get revenge more or less, so they're kind of fatten

501
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 8: with each other. End of it is the best part.

502
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 8: If you haven't seen it, I'm not gonna tell you,

503
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 8: but the end of it is. The cemetery scene is

504
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 8: the best part of it. It shows you how family

505
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 8: comes together. And Whoop says he.

506
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 3: Ended up with only one line in the theatrical cut,

507
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 3: but he basically got to spend a couple of weeks

508
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 3: hanging out with Patrick Swayzey.

509
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, I was little Patrick. He was big Patrick on

510
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 8: the set. Patrick Swayzy actually is the one that taught

511
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 8: me how to shoot the bow and arrow, and he

512
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 8: taught me in about fifteen minutes. I was doing great,

513
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 8: but at the time that I actually shot for the scene,

514
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 8: I missed the haystack by probably half a mile. I

515
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 8: guess I was nervous, but I completely missed the target.

516
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 8: It's a wonder I didn't shoot somebody in the background,

517
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 8: but luckily no one was hit.

518
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 3: In the end, it was one of the high points

519
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 3: of his childhood and looking back on it now, he

520
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 3: says that it changed his life.

521
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 8: Just kind of opened my eyes the fact that the

522
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,239
Speaker 8: world was a lot bigger than what I thought it

523
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 8: was at the time, because I didn't know there was

524
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,239
Speaker 8: anything beyond hazard. I mean, you know, I was eight

525
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 8: years old, very naive. Here all these big Hollywood actors

526
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 8: come in. It just kind of woke me up and

527
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 8: made me realize that there's mortal life than just Perry County.

528
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 3: There's another way. Next to Ken left to Mark in Kentucky.

529
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 3: Patrick talked to my producer Mary.

530
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 12: Do you remember a scene where a lot of people

531
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 12: would have been wearing like black dresses.

532
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 8: The funeral scene when I was doing the funeral and

533
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 8: having the wake. It's in the deleted scenes. It's also

534
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 8: the one where I got my handslapped for stealing cookies

535
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 8: or something off a plate.

536
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 3: Remember Diane mentioning the theater group buying the black fabric. Well,

537
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 3: just like the story of her being chased through the school,

538
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 3: this is a detail that suffered from some historical mistranslation to.

539
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 12: Okay, I'm going to read you something from this newspaper.

540
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 12: And this was in the Louisville Courier Journal on September twelfth,

541
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 12: nineteen eighty eight. It was also reprinted in a lot

542
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 12: of other places, like papers across the state because it

543
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 12: was originally from the Associated Press. And the article is

544
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 12: called devil Worshiped Rumors keep officials busy in Eastern Kentucky,

545
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 12: and it says rumors of devil worship have spread like

546
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:12,280
Speaker 12: wildfire across a large section of eastern Kentucky, stumping police

547
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:16,760
Speaker 12: officials who are fielding thousands of telephone calls from fearful residents.

548
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 12: Police in Hazard said employees of a department store were

549
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 12: frantic after someone bought twenty black dresses. Authorities later learned

550
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,720
Speaker 12: the dresses were sewn together for use in movie lighting.

551
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 12: During the filming of Next of Kin last month in

552
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 12: Jackson and Perry Counties, a dispatcher said people believed Satan

553
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:41,479
Speaker 12: worshippers were looking for virgin girls and blonde, blue eyed

554
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,720
Speaker 12: children to sacrifice to the devil.

555
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 8: Pardon my French, but what the fuck? I don't know

556
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 8: about nothing like that.

557
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 12: I mean, yeah, I mean, what do you think about that?

558
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 8: That's hazard. If somebody goes and takes a ship their

559
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 8: breast and knows what color it is by the time

560
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 8: they get out of the bathroom, it's a rumor meal.

561
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 8: The second you walk out the door, they'll be talking

562
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 8: about you behind your back if you do anything that

563
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 8: alarms them. There's so many Bible thumpers and hazard I mean,

564
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 8: you know the ones that wear the golong denim skirts

565
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 8: that goes down to their ankles. If you came in

566
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 8: and bought black eyeliner and a black dress, they'd say

567
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 8: he is a satan worshiper. You know, No, there weren't

568
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 8: no Satanis around. Patrick Swazy definitely was a Satanist, and

569
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 8: Elimnson wasn't a Satanist. And I see no evidence of

570
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 8: any satan worshiper or anything like that. I didn't see

571
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 8: anybody naked dancing around a fire at night or anything

572
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 8: like that. No witches.

573
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,439
Speaker 12: I mean, if you did see something like that, would

574
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,280
Speaker 12: you immediately think, oh, it's Satanists.

575
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 8: No, I would have joined them.

576
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 3: Really, So there we have it. Women scared out of

577
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 3: nearby town because Hollywood movie set bought twenty black dresses

578
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 3: for an elited scene doesn't really have the same ring

579
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 3: to it as the other headlines, does it. But in

580
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 3: any case, when the devil is hard to find. You

581
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 3: can always displame Patrick Swayze. The activities of a Hollywood

582
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 3: production crew being mistaken for Satanic ritual is just one

583
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 3: of many very sketchy pieces of evidence that people pointed

584
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 3: to as some kind of a smoking gun throughout the

585
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 3: long decade of the Satanic Panic. And I bring up

586
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 3: all these details and I bring you the story of

587
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 3: Diane in this our first episode, because I think the

588
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 3: story of the Panic itself, the story of a many

589
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 3: headed hydra that seem to reach into every part of

590
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 3: North American life, can seem like too big of a

591
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 3: concept to wrap your head around when you try to

592
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 3: take it in in its totality. I've been studying it

593
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 3: for the past ten years or so, and every day

594
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 3: I feel like I find some new detail that I've

595
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 3: never encountered before. The Patrick Swayze thing, for example. In

596
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 3: any case, the story of the dresses, the story of Diane,

597
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 3: and so many of the other stories that we're going

598
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 3: to talk about in this series are really about people

599
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 3: encountering something just a little bit unusual and being stirred

600
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 3: into such a state of anxiety that they assume not

601
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 3: just the worst that they can imagine, but something even

602
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 3: worse than that. This is a scary story because it

603
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 3: hasn't gone away. Maybe it doesn't need to be out

604
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 3: all the time. Maybe sometimes it retreats underground, takes a nap,

605
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 3: and then returns to feast again, like Pennywise and Stephen

606
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 3: King's it. And of course you can't really personify a

607
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 3: panic and blame it for the way it recurs. There's

608
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 3: no panic without the people panicking. Maybe with a phenomenon

609
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 3: like this, it doesn't come down to us smarter as

610
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 3: a people, but to us just getting tired of a

611
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 3: certain story, craving novelty, moving on to something else for

612
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 3: a while, until Satanists once again seem fresh and shocking, like, oh,

613
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 3: say about now. What I'm most interested in and what

614
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 3: I want to share with you are the voices of

615
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 3: the individuals who found themselves within this larger story. Some

616
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 3: of them are like Diane. They never thought it could

617
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 3: happen to them, and some of them thought they knew

618
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,280
Speaker 3: what to expect, but discovered that reality was even more bizarre.

619
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 3: And some of them had no idea they were even

620
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 3: part of the story until they were already trapped inside it.

621
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 3: These are the people and the stories we want to

622
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 3: look at to understand what happened, but also so we

623
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 3: can understand together where we're going. I hope you'll join

624
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 3: me for this season on the Devil you know,