WEBVTT - Conversations About James Harden

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<v Speaker 1>Watch up and welcome back to another episode of No

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<v Speaker 1>Sealer's Podcast with your hosts Now fuck that with your

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<v Speaker 1>load glasses Malone. Yeah, So what I've been doing specifically

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<v Speaker 1>is so this so this ain't my first time.

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<v Speaker 2>Like the first time time.

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<v Speaker 1>Is like like in twenty fifteen, I was reading the Bible.

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<v Speaker 2>I was reading the Vidicus. I'm not right.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait wait wait wait, I wasn't expecting you to say

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<v Speaker 3>that this is what you get for show it up.

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<v Speaker 4>And also of all the books littus.

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<v Speaker 1>Right straight up, like I ordered all of the Bibles

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<v Speaker 1>and separate books.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't know you could do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, so I I could. So I'm not mad

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<v Speaker 1>at Constantine and the counselor not see it for like

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<v Speaker 1>putting all the books together. But the problem is most

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<v Speaker 1>people look at it like it's one book. So it

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<v Speaker 1>helps my brain a lot more because I have the

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<v Speaker 1>books at this point separate.

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<v Speaker 2>To recognize the true I'm sure right.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was reading the Viticus back then, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was a level of discernment that came over me that said,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're not reading what you're eating, then that's like

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<v Speaker 1>one of the greatest sins. I don't know how I

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<v Speaker 1>was reading some stuff and it just came to me

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<v Speaker 1>that way, that type of discernment. So I understood at

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<v Speaker 1>that point I needed to start reading what I was eating.

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<v Speaker 1>And at that time in my life, I learned about refined, refined, pasteurize,

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<v Speaker 1>all these different words. And as I started reading different ingredients,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, some of this shit, I had to

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<v Speaker 1>look it up a lot of it. So I was like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna look. I'm not gonna eat something I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what it is. That first time, it helped

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<v Speaker 1>me shad roughly sixty five percent of my excess body fat,

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<v Speaker 1>like most of the way right, and that was important.

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<v Speaker 1>But then I hit a wall and I didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>what to do. And then also the fact you just

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<v Speaker 1>doing shit in life, you know what I mean. You

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<v Speaker 1>can't monitor everything you take in the way you would

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<v Speaker 1>like like it just.

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<v Speaker 2>Needed more detail.

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<v Speaker 1>Two thy and twenty one, I read How to Eat

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<v Speaker 1>to Live by the Honorable Eliji Muhammad. Shout out to

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<v Speaker 1>KM and YB young bro. They put me up on it,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was talking about how human beings used to

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<v Speaker 1>eat one time to two times one time a day,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, sometimes without and that just sounded crazy. But

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<v Speaker 1>even when we were talking about you remember if you

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<v Speaker 1>read the Bible, if you ever read the Bible, and

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<v Speaker 1>they talk about the people that live like three four

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<v Speaker 1>hundred one thousand years and shit, and it sounds crazy,

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<v Speaker 1>but if you really think about it, we take a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of years off our life, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>because our stomach spent so much time digesting food.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a lot of things.

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<v Speaker 1>So that stuff started making more sense, right, And I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, damn, So I implemented that and I start

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<v Speaker 1>eating one time a day.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that.

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<v Speaker 3>Worked out something people always I'm thirty four, and even

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<v Speaker 3>my cousin who's ten years older than me or whatever,

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<v Speaker 3>he saw me and I went back home to Chicago

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<v Speaker 3>for the first time in three years, and he was like, Yo,

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<v Speaker 3>how the fuck do you still look the same way

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<v Speaker 3>you look when you was like nineteen or twenty. I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, I don't really. I don't drink soda, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't consume a lot of sugar. I eat probably like

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<v Speaker 3>one or two big meals a day. And I try

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<v Speaker 3>to stay active even if I'm not working out, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>trying to walk and move around a lot. And that's

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<v Speaker 3>really like to me, been the key to me. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I smoke a lot of weed, but that ain't why

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<v Speaker 3>I look the way I look. I just don't eat

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<v Speaker 3>all day long and drink all day long. Like and

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<v Speaker 3>the most of my family they all got a bunch

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<v Speaker 3>of health issues. They're all overweight, and all they really

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<v Speaker 3>do is eat, And that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So that I learned that and that kind of

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<v Speaker 1>did the same thing got to me about fifty to

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<v Speaker 1>sixty percent.

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<v Speaker 2>But it wasn't everything. It was just as of recent.

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<v Speaker 1>My young brother whyb you know, we was talking and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, man, I've been walking two three four

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<v Speaker 1>miles a day.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like. He was like, man.

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<v Speaker 1>At that time, I realized I had got up to

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<v Speaker 1>three hundred and forty nine pounds, and I was like, damn,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm almost as big as I was at my heaviest.

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<v Speaker 1>And again, if you see me, you can't really tell

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm a really big person top to bottom, so

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<v Speaker 1>it don't look like but y'all seen me at three

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<v Speaker 1>hundred thirty, three hundred and forty pounds, you won't notice

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<v Speaker 1>that's how big I am. But I noticed it, and

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<v Speaker 1>I realized I was eating one time a day and

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't figure out. I'm like, damn, cuz, why am I?

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<v Speaker 1>I was eating outside food and my body wasn't processing it.

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<v Speaker 1>So immediately I started just Okay, I'm gonna cook for

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<v Speaker 1>myself and make all the work.

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<v Speaker 2>Boom boom boom. Right fast forward.

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<v Speaker 1>About two and a half weeks ago. Three weeks YB

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<v Speaker 1>challenged me. He was like, hey man, he said, you

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<v Speaker 1>know you could. He said, why don't you consume your

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<v Speaker 1>body weight in calories. I'm like, nigga, gotta be three

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and you know, forty thirty calories. He like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like that ain't enough food. Like I'm He's like,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't do a ton of stuff. You know, you

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<v Speaker 1>really create, you know with your brain, you sit down,

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<v Speaker 1>you do walk around, and yeah you are walking mouse.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think it'll work a little bit better than

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<v Speaker 1>you giving the credit for it. So I'm listening to

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<v Speaker 1>me him and Joey Westside is on the phone and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm laughing at this nigga, like, man, you sound crazy,

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<v Speaker 1>this nigga. But the more I thought about it in

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<v Speaker 1>that first five minutes, I was like, damn, that's a challenge.

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<v Speaker 1>So I started looking up different foods and different things,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. And I remember from ap biology that calories

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<v Speaker 1>are just a metric to count energy, and it just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of hit me all of a sudden.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like, okay, wait a minute. So if if you're.

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<v Speaker 1>Overweight, that's just stored or misplaced energy, right, that your

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<v Speaker 1>body hasn't expelled, right.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, okay, so if I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Only taking in you know, this much energy, but then

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<v Speaker 1>when I walk my three to four miles, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm expelling more energy than that, then my

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<v Speaker 1>body won't have a choice but to go and find

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<v Speaker 1>the stored or misplaced energy and expel it to keep going.

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<v Speaker 1>So it started making since and I was like, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what, I'm gonna do it, and we talked about it,

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<v Speaker 1>and ever since then, man, I could feel so outside

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<v Speaker 1>of the you know, the knowledge of clean eating, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying that I had from twenty fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>with the you know, the eating one time a day

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<v Speaker 1>from the honorable Eliji Muhammad and I need to live

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<v Speaker 1>and then everything now it's like this is the first

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<v Speaker 1>time I'm like one hundred percent sure, I'm pretty much gonna,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, achieve the goal of making sure I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have excess body fact that I don't need. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the first time in life I know I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna do it, And.

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<v Speaker 2>Even on Fridays.

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<v Speaker 1>At this point, I let my stomach rest forty eight hours,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I'll eat Thursday at three, and then I'll eat

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<v Speaker 1>Saturday at three, and then when I run into the

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<v Speaker 1>next wall, those walls that I was running into, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>just add more days. It's like, Okay, instead of letting

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<v Speaker 1>my stomach gress for forty eight hours, I let my

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<v Speaker 1>stomach gress for seventy two hours until it starts to

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<v Speaker 1>use and find all the misplaced and stored energy you

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<v Speaker 1>need to use it all.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't need all this extra energy.

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<v Speaker 1>Then once I get into a much better stoage system

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<v Speaker 1>that's more efficient, my body is more efficient, then I

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<v Speaker 1>can start to talk about adding more energy into my

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<v Speaker 1>die because then at that point I need to get

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<v Speaker 1>on the wait a little bit more and shit like that.

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<v Speaker 2>So That's what I've been doing.

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<v Speaker 1>But I thought it was funny when you asked me that,

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<v Speaker 1>because people did say ozimpic, and I was like, that's

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<v Speaker 1>so cute, like a crip on ozimpic, that just what hell?

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<v Speaker 2>Look cute. You know what I'm saying, Like, what.

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<v Speaker 4>All you gotta we need? You gotta better put this

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<v Speaker 4>in a book, get the market in it.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what you're gonna call it, but you

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<v Speaker 3>know you're gonna call it something with cripp in and

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<v Speaker 3>figure it out your crypt diet playing or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I thought about this.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't teach this because the hardest part for most

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<v Speaker 1>people is breaking how often they eat. Fact, I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>want to be in this business, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>like breaking people. You know, America has done such a

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<v Speaker 1>good job in programming people to eat three times a day.

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<v Speaker 2>You do not want to be.

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<v Speaker 4>Three times a day.

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<v Speaker 5>Like I've never in my life. Even now, I tell people, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>I eat once maybe twice a day. I've always just

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<v Speaker 5>ate once maybe twice a day. People are like, yo,

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<v Speaker 5>you only eat once? Like what, I'm not hungry three

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<v Speaker 5>times a day. If I'm eating three times day, it's

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<v Speaker 5>probably because I'm outside all day and I'm doing something

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<v Speaker 5>so I'm like biting on something.

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<v Speaker 4>But if I'm like living my actual normal life, I'm not.

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<v Speaker 4>Why am I eating three times a day?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? You know it's funny to eat that much.

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<v Speaker 1>America has done such a great job of programming. But

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<v Speaker 1>I do think it came into an effect when then

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<v Speaker 1>de'strial revolution happened here when you probably was burning through

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<v Speaker 1>three and four thousand.

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<v Speaker 4>Calories a day.

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<v Speaker 5>But it ain't nobody burning through Like bro, niggas got

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<v Speaker 5>desk jobs. You're not burning through four thousand calories at

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<v Speaker 5>a fucking desk job. Gee niggas work from home. You're

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<v Speaker 5>not burning through that many calories. But when you win

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<v Speaker 5>a steel meal, you might need to eat three times. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>you might need to eat three times things or farming,

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<v Speaker 5>I mean or farming.

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<v Speaker 6>Farming for sure.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, you can see that though, Like if you've looked,

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<v Speaker 7>like ever looked at like either obesity and obesity related

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<v Speaker 7>health issues by job, like number one is like bus.

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<v Speaker 4>Driver because you're sitting down.

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<v Speaker 5>That's funny, sitting down, that's funny as fuck. I'm thinking

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<v Speaker 5>about every buzz driver I've ever seen in my life.

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<v Speaker 5>A lot of them are kind of.

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<v Speaker 7>Obese, super high, and your pair like kind of also

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<v Speaker 7>like who are a lot of your bus drivers and

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<v Speaker 7>what are their diets?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, versus like some.

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<v Speaker 7>And that's that they wouldn't count for the United States

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<v Speaker 7>I'd be willing to bet that like people in India

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<v Speaker 7>and call centers aren't super obese, because people in India

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<v Speaker 7>don't tend to be super obese by just the way

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<v Speaker 7>that they operate. But they just sit there all day,

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<v Speaker 7>pissing me off the whole time.

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<v Speaker 2>No sellers g l in the motherfucking house.

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<v Speaker 1>I got my brother Pete as usual about this time,

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<v Speaker 1>I brought in my little brothers, TPJ, Pavy from Hoops

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<v Speaker 1>and Bruce. So you know, if I brought them in

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<v Speaker 1>something on my mind about fucking Hoops. Don't get me wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>we could talk.

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<v Speaker 6>We're talking about Bruce.

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<v Speaker 1>We could talk to the dudes about it. That would

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<v Speaker 1>be a good conversation when I have no idea about

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<v Speaker 1>But I saw this post going around on social media

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<v Speaker 1>about James Harden being the third greatest point guard I'm

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<v Speaker 1>shooting guard ever.

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<v Speaker 2>Did y'all see that?

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't see it, but I will say I'm not

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<v Speaker 5>mad at it.

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<v Speaker 7>This is eleven and a half minute podcast.

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<v Speaker 4>No here, No here is why I'm not mad at it?

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<v Speaker 4>Where his rings at? Michael C go to thing, Michael Jordan,

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<v Speaker 4>Kobe Bryant, he the.

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<v Speaker 3>Best player on the Championship team ever player on the

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<v Speaker 3>championship Holdwayne Wade was hawayne Wayne was hold on.

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<v Speaker 4>Though.

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<v Speaker 5>The thing about d wait one, d Wade never won

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<v Speaker 5>the MVP ever, he's ever been finished top three in

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<v Speaker 5>MVP voting.

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<v Speaker 4>Means I would. That means I would. I would still

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<v Speaker 4>put d Wade above James Harden.

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<v Speaker 5>But I'm not mad at someone who would put hard

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<v Speaker 5>and above number one.

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<v Speaker 4>He's been scoring champion.

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<v Speaker 5>How many times he's I think he's damn it led

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<v Speaker 5>league in steels if I'm not mistaken. He's been first

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<v Speaker 5>Team All NBA probably more time than d Wade as.

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<v Speaker 4>He's won a m v P. He's been top three

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<v Speaker 4>MVP voting a few times. He ran again.

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<v Speaker 5>Even the teams he's ran up against, he ran up

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<v Speaker 5>against the fucking Warriors. Bro Like his prime happened to

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<v Speaker 5>coincide with the Warriors.

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<v Speaker 7>There's always guys that fit that description, not the Warriors.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, can you say the same thing about

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<v Speaker 2>d Wade?

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<v Speaker 7>Now?

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<v Speaker 1>I finished in first team All NBA because Kobe Bryant

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<v Speaker 1>was in his NBA.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, be better.

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<v Speaker 3>See this is where facts kind of start to whoop

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<v Speaker 3>your ass and why I hate to have basketball arguments

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<v Speaker 3>with you because you value stats and I value winning.

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<v Speaker 3>But even with you valuing stats, you're still wrong. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>looking at that right now. Season's played Dwayne Wade sixteen,

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<v Speaker 3>James Harden fifteen, Championships Dwayne Wade three, Harden zero, All

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<v Speaker 3>Star Games James Harden ten, Dwayne Wade thirteen MVPs. Harden

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<v Speaker 3>got one Finals MVPs, Dwayne Wade got one.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>All NBA First Teams, Harden got Wade six to two.

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<v Speaker 3>All NBA Team total selection d Wade got eight to

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<v Speaker 3>Hard and seven. D Wade is also All NBA All

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<v Speaker 3>Defense three times.

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<v Speaker 4>Harden was a scoring.

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<v Speaker 3>Leader three times, Dwayne Wade was once, and Harden was

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<v Speaker 3>an assists leader twice.

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<v Speaker 4>And he was a six minute the year. If I'm

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<v Speaker 4>gonna say six man Hard six.

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<v Speaker 3>Man, Okay, so what's your point.

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<v Speaker 7>A lot of the best guys of all time came

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<v Speaker 7>off the bench.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>Stop stop it, stop stop it.

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<v Speaker 3>He had more All NBA defense and more All NBA

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<v Speaker 3>selections than Harden. It's not even close to me. It's

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<v Speaker 3>not even very close. It's not even close.

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<v Speaker 4>No, it's very close. It's not the finals MVP.

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<v Speaker 3>Listen, he was better than Shaquille O'Neill was okay, wait,

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<v Speaker 3>yes that was okay, number one, Yes he was better,

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<v Speaker 3>Yes he was better.

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<v Speaker 4>Yea exactly fat and out of weight.

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<v Speaker 3>And when that team couldn't score the ball, Dwayne Wade

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<v Speaker 3>scored the ball. Big buckets. They all right, man, man,

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<v Speaker 3>now we're going how many times it's hard to been

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<v Speaker 3>in a position for the refs to allow him to

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<v Speaker 3>win a championship? Exactly funk out of here? But no,

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<v Speaker 3>but no, but no, I can I can understand. Also,

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<v Speaker 3>what are we considering Jerry West a point guard.

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<v Speaker 4>Or a shooting guard?

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<v Speaker 2>Point guard?

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, well then yeah, I can't understand why somebody might say,

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<v Speaker 5>James Harden it is the third greatest shooting of all time.

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<v Speaker 4>If he had a ring, I don't think it would

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<v Speaker 4>even be close.

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<v Speaker 6>Question.

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<v Speaker 7>Cousy was a point guard, yes, and hal Chick was

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<v Speaker 7>a three.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was the two problem.

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<v Speaker 4>It was a he who was so he was three?

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<v Speaker 6>He was Jones a two or three?

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<v Speaker 1>He was a two to one in the two casey

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<v Speaker 1>Jones was a one of the two.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Halichick was listened at three pretty much mostly.

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<v Speaker 3>Because he was a football I mean he was he

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<v Speaker 3>was listened at shooting guard for a couple I mean

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<v Speaker 3>for like four years.

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<v Speaker 4>But at his whole career he played small four most

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<v Speaker 4>of the.

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<v Speaker 7>Thought I remembering being in that position.

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<v Speaker 4>So his resume, his resume. Wait, I agree with you.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree with that.

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<v Speaker 4>I agree with that.

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<v Speaker 3>I have no problem with that is like fifth, This

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<v Speaker 3>is a man Michael Jordan, yep, Kobe Bryant, Okay, Dwayne

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<v Speaker 3>Wade and John Halichick. Check you just said he played

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<v Speaker 3>four years at shooting guard. Who half check?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah he was time.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but during the years he was a shooting guard,

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<v Speaker 3>they won championships, he was an All star.

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<v Speaker 4>What are we talking about?

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<v Speaker 2>Thirteen times?

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<v Speaker 7>The question to me, you know, you know what the

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<v Speaker 7>question is here from a race.

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<v Speaker 4>We're talking about combo guards?

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<v Speaker 3>Are we talking because because this is also the thing,

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<v Speaker 3>this is the era really much more of the combo guard.

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<v Speaker 3>Harden is really a combo guard. He's not just a

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<v Speaker 3>straightened shooting guard. He's a combo guard. He really is

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<v Speaker 3>a point guard. We haven't playing shooting guard.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we haven't listened at scoring guard.

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<v Speaker 7>I think the reality of that conversation is that I

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<v Speaker 7>don't know, I eversince wasn't really a point guard.

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<v Speaker 1>He was, he was again, back to back to the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning of what was known as the combo guard.

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<v Speaker 4>It's hard and better than AI.

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<v Speaker 6>I've said, they're the same guy, so long.

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<v Speaker 4>Wait what you just.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, he's better than he's probably Yes, is one of

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<v Speaker 3>the reasons why I love basketball.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, he's better than Alan.

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<v Speaker 2>Irvous he's yeah, he's probably better than.

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<v Speaker 4>He's better than a bro. And I love a I

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<v Speaker 4>was shooting thirty field.

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<v Speaker 3>I told you a long time ago, and and and

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<v Speaker 3>although you would never hear me the spirits James Harden

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<v Speaker 3>because I met him in person a couple of times.

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<v Speaker 3>He's a very very nice guy sounds I mean it

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<v Speaker 3>though he's a very he's a he's a very nice guy.

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<v Speaker 3>But when it comes to the all time hoopers and gamers,

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<v Speaker 3>he's not even in that conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>To me, he has to be in the conversation I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna take.

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<v Speaker 3>If we're talking shooting guard for shooting guard in a

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<v Speaker 3>big game, give me Devin book over.

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<v Speaker 8>James Harden was the best. He wasn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Get the get long out of here, and he won

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<v Speaker 3>the best player on the team.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, we got to stop saying the best player

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<v Speaker 1>on the team, because I think you mean when you

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<v Speaker 1>say that, the best offensive player on the team, possibly.

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<v Speaker 6>Even within that.

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<v Speaker 7>I think what we're this is, this isn't a perfect

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<v Speaker 7>illustration of the problem. And even advanced statistics for efficiency.

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<v Speaker 7>Basketball is a sport of time and space. That's what

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<v Speaker 7>it is at the end of the day, a sports. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>basketball is very simple. There's difference between being in the

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<v Speaker 7>good offensively production wise and good offensively schematically. He like,

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<v Speaker 7>like we were saying, like way back, you can't have

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<v Speaker 7>Russell Westbrook and Lebron and the same team because they

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<v Speaker 7>are hogs of time and space.

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<v Speaker 4>You can't.

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<v Speaker 6>They can't coexist.

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<v Speaker 7>Sure, Harden can't coexist a in a system based off

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<v Speaker 7>the efficiency necessary to win, regardless of what he personally does.

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<v Speaker 6>That is a huge detriment to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, this is the conversation I used to have with

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<v Speaker 1>PAV and TP all the time about a certain can

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<v Speaker 1>you build an offensive jugger not around inefficient offensive players.

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<v Speaker 2>And again, James Harden is not totally inefficient.

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<v Speaker 4>He's not.

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<v Speaker 1>He's actually efficient for a point guard. But Michael Jordan

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<v Speaker 1>is godly efficient.

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<v Speaker 7>Who's the most efficient offensive player of this era? The

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<v Speaker 7>guy with the most rings Steph Curry.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, probably Steph Curry.

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<v Speaker 6>It's not even closer.

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<v Speaker 2>Curry a light year that's.

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<v Speaker 1>Shooting that close to fifty percent from the field is

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<v Speaker 1>shooting three is crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>He catches it.

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<v Speaker 7>He doesn't need he can create. He doesn't need to create.

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<v Speaker 7>Everything else can happen. You can get three points of

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<v Speaker 7>him in a nano second pole space. He happens quickly.

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<v Speaker 7>He doesn't interfere. He exists on the on the fringes.

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<v Speaker 3>He's immensely efficient technically, technically, by the numbers, it's actually Yokic,

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<v Speaker 3>then Johannis.

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<v Speaker 4>Then Curry.

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<v Speaker 3>Curry really has only led the league in efficiency once

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<v Speaker 3>that's not done the way. I'm just That's why I

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<v Speaker 3>say it, by the numbers that look at it. But no,

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<v Speaker 3>but wait, just let me finish. I'm saying this for

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<v Speaker 3>the people that's going to listen to this, like, yeah, but

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<v Speaker 3>the numbers gonna say so.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just saying, by the numbers.

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<v Speaker 3>Technically, these players the numbers play more efficiently than Steph Curry.

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<v Speaker 3>But I agree with everything you're saying because of how

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<v Speaker 3>dynamic his ability to output is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, well no, it's where he's playing away from the rim.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, there's no statistics that effectively determines efficiency.

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<v Speaker 3>Technically, you can look at like true shooting percentage in

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<v Speaker 3>the effective percentage.

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<v Speaker 7>If you look at that, that's not schematic efficiency, Yes, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you have to weigh where the players are playing

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<v Speaker 1>at on the court. Right, Like a point guard shooting

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<v Speaker 1>fifty percent, it's much greater than the center fifty five percent.

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<v Speaker 4>Your shots to come at the rim with point guard.

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<v Speaker 1>The closer you get to the hoop, and theory you

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<v Speaker 1>should shoot a higher efficient, higher efficiency. But even in

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<v Speaker 1>Steph Curvey situation, because as otherworldly as his offensive efficiency is,

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<v Speaker 1>they still need what Draymond Green does as an all

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<v Speaker 1>world defender to anchor their.

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<v Speaker 2>Number one defense.

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<v Speaker 1>But again, we're talking about building winners around players. So

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<v Speaker 1>I get what you saying, Tom. You cannot build an

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<v Speaker 1>offensive winner around probably James Harden offense.

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<v Speaker 3>It would be really tough, right because to try it

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<v Speaker 3>space twenty seven threes and you lose.

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<v Speaker 7>He requires too much time on the twenty four o'clock

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<v Speaker 7>and he requires too much space bunching other people into scurity.

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<v Speaker 2>You would need a center like Joe.

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<v Speaker 4>You would need you need you know what I mean you.

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<v Speaker 2>Would need a better offensive talent.

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<v Speaker 5>I think you would. I think in theory, which is

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<v Speaker 5>what they had. I think you would need Dwight Howard,

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<v Speaker 5>but prime Dwight Howard. But you would also have to

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<v Speaker 5>get Dwight Howard to not want to post up. You

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<v Speaker 5>would need, like Orlando, Dwight Howard if he just wanted

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<v Speaker 5>to catch lobs.

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<v Speaker 2>You can afford the center, the post up.

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<v Speaker 1>You just can't afford the center and a power for

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<v Speaker 1>it the post up fair, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>But but could you trap him around?

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<v Speaker 3>While Orlando team was great because they had Hedo Turklu

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<v Speaker 3>kind of playing that three four slot so he could

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<v Speaker 3>stretch the floor. That's why they were able to beat

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<v Speaker 3>the cast because they were able to shoot them because

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<v Speaker 3>they can stretch the floor. So you are right, Like

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<v Speaker 3>if Harden did have prime Dwight and let's just say

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<v Speaker 3>he had Hetol on the team, I think they can

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<v Speaker 3>win a championship. I mean, but that's a lot you

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<v Speaker 3>need to him win fair. I don't believe you need

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<v Speaker 3>to add that much around Steph Curry win the championship.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a greater NBA player than Dwight Howard.

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<v Speaker 1>Too, I'm not mad at that he's the greater offensive

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<v Speaker 1>talent with Dwight Howard is a much greater impact on

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<v Speaker 1>the court and and and situation altering, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean.

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<v Speaker 4>NBA was one of the best centers of all time.

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<v Speaker 5>That people just because Dwight has done things to himself

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<v Speaker 5>that make him like a joke, But like the White

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<v Speaker 5>is one of.

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<v Speaker 2>The best players of all the greatest centers.

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<v Speaker 4>Like he wasn't on the seventy five list. It's kind

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<v Speaker 4>of insane.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the fact they had a d over him probably wasn't.

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<v Speaker 4>Like they had Dame Lillard over Dwight Howard. Was he.

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<v Speaker 1>Shout out that, y'all, I love day No way, what

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<v Speaker 1>do we do it?

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<v Speaker 4>What are we doing it? What are we doing?

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<v Speaker 1>But but again it goes back to that over I've

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<v Speaker 1>I've been telling y'all this for a while, that over

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<v Speaker 1>value of offense. Offense is the business of the NBA.

0:22:50.400 --> 0:22:53.960
<v Speaker 1>Championships are still won through defense, but offense is.

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<v Speaker 2>The business of the NBA. The reason it.

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<v Speaker 1>Has this type of economics is because of the offenses

0:22:59.359 --> 0:23:03.200
<v Speaker 1>providing average person can't enjoy anything else but scoring the ball.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the one thing they feel like they can do.

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<v Speaker 1>I think people genuinely think they could play defense, even

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<v Speaker 1>though that's probably the hardest thing in the world to do.

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<v Speaker 1>The average human being feels.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, oh, I can play darg he score the boy,

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<v Speaker 3>you can score the ball. You can't defend the NBA player,

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I'm saying, Like like, I.

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<v Speaker 7>Still feel like I could have been Tyrone Lou in

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<v Speaker 7>my prime of physical I.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember the first time I went to when I knew

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<v Speaker 1>I was finna. Go to ar Teacher High School for

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<v Speaker 1>one year and Charles O'Bannon had just graduated, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just coming in as a freshman, and we was hooping

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<v Speaker 1>one on one, just fucking around.

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<v Speaker 2>One day.

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<v Speaker 1>When I tell you how fast this dude was, Tom,

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<v Speaker 1>It's no way a human being could be six sixty

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<v Speaker 1>sixty seven to be this fast. And that's when I

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<v Speaker 1>really I didn't take it into account as much as

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<v Speaker 1>I understand today profession no game speed is underrated. It

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<v Speaker 1>is not the thing people talk about. Professional game speed

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<v Speaker 1>is like incredibly fast. It ain't even close to what

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<v Speaker 1>you think. And the biggest dude that looks slow, like

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<v Speaker 1>a Rudy Gobert, will go around you see the problem

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<v Speaker 1>is there's guys that Rudy Gobert who with at twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four hour fitness cuz, and he just blow.

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<v Speaker 2>Around and dunk on him like he can't.

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<v Speaker 3>Do that to other NBA allege he look crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>There's this belief that Rudy Gobert, like if you was

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<v Speaker 1>like that the average human being used at the twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four our fitlings, Rudy would just go around you and dunk.

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<v Speaker 2>Every like you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you'll be like, why he don't do this to

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<v Speaker 1>the NBA players versus they all really fast, really athletic

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<v Speaker 1>at that left. But Rudy, when you look at Rudyo TV,

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<v Speaker 1>you will think Rudy couldn't even drip with the ball.

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<v Speaker 2>Rudy probably be giving niggas work at the twenty four around.

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<v Speaker 3>Shooting fucking step back threes, wearing your crazy shit, be like.

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<v Speaker 7>Your best college players that don't make it in the league.

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<v Speaker 6>For ten seconds.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, he's better than them by a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember now, like I remember even like in high

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<v Speaker 3>school when I played, because I played basketball and football

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<v Speaker 3>and track before I decided I wanted to make music

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<v Speaker 3>and stop playing.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, actually I actually no, I'll actually know. I'll tell

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<v Speaker 5>you what happened.

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<v Speaker 3>I went to you didn't eat You didn't eat no

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<v Speaker 3>eggs when you was growing up.

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<v Speaker 4>But listen, Hick, what happened.

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<v Speaker 5>I went to a football seven on seven right because

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<v Speaker 5>I was about to start at free safety on varsity

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<v Speaker 5>my junior year, and I looked at the Chicago Christian

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<v Speaker 5>white kids and I'm like, I'm not tackling them, like

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not, Like, no, I was smaller than what I

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<v Speaker 5>am now, I'm not tackling them.

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<v Speaker 4>But I had to say. I remember, like we would

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<v Speaker 4>go to like the Christmas tournaments.

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<v Speaker 3>It was this guy who I think went to I

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<v Speaker 3>think he went to Oregon and it didn't even work out,

0:25:53.840 --> 0:25:56.960
<v Speaker 3>like I like forget his name, but how cold he

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<v Speaker 3>was and just like against people who go gonna get

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<v Speaker 3>desk jobs in the future was insane. He was like

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<v Speaker 3>six seven, playing like center and it was dribbling the

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<v Speaker 3>ball doing everything.

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<v Speaker 4>He was like, this is crazy.

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<v Speaker 5>So yes, if you if you if you go see

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<v Speaker 5>an NBA player play in you know, just against regular people,

0:26:14.520 --> 0:26:15.359
<v Speaker 5>it doesn't look real.

0:26:15.520 --> 0:26:17.280
<v Speaker 4>It's like, how why you this good at sports? Bro?

0:26:18.080 --> 0:26:18.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I saw. I used to talk about Pat Beverley. They say,

0:26:20.880 --> 0:26:22.040
<v Speaker 1>Pat Beverley was given.

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<v Speaker 3>In high school. G. I watched Pat bay Of high

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<v Speaker 3>school games. Pat bay Of in high school was in.

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<v Speaker 4>G that was the area.

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<v Speaker 3>It was Pap bay Of, d Rose, Searon Collins, Pat

0:26:31.960 --> 0:26:34.119
<v Speaker 3>bay Of in high school was playing full court defense

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<v Speaker 3>and giving niggas forty.

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<v Speaker 4>Forty. Liked g like because it was it was Marshall.

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<v Speaker 3>It was average forty average average thirty seven points Bro

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<v Speaker 3>one season because they would full court press all day.

0:26:47.480 --> 0:26:51.480
<v Speaker 4>As senior, they were full court press all day. Half

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<v Speaker 4>the time he was Sea.

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<v Speaker 3>He would just steal the ball before you got to

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<v Speaker 3>half court and just lay the ball up.

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<v Speaker 5>He averaged thirty seven points. D Rose in high school

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<v Speaker 5>was just like it didn't make sense. D Rosey quicker

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<v Speaker 5>than that, like Bro, like Bro. It was like that

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<v Speaker 5>was the one person, like like if d Rose and

0:27:09.160 --> 0:27:12.800
<v Speaker 5>Lebron was playing, because d Rose was like junior junior

0:27:12.840 --> 0:27:15.600
<v Speaker 5>senior when Brown was in the league. I'm watching d Rose.

0:27:15.720 --> 0:27:17.159
<v Speaker 5>That was one person. I'm like, yeah, he's going to

0:27:17.160 --> 0:27:19.600
<v Speaker 5>the league. Like he's literally like, there's no way he's

0:27:19.640 --> 0:27:20.399
<v Speaker 5>not going to the league.

0:27:20.520 --> 0:27:22.080
<v Speaker 4>It was just foolish. It didn't make sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's a different animal.

0:27:24.280 --> 0:27:26.560
<v Speaker 1>Bro but I was thinking about that and I thought

0:27:26.600 --> 0:27:27.919
<v Speaker 1>the conversation was unique.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, it's James Harden.

0:27:31.080 --> 0:27:34.680
<v Speaker 1>He's probably the third best offensive shooting guard.

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<v Speaker 5>Ever, I would argue you could make an argument for

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<v Speaker 5>the second best offensive shooting guard if you wanted to

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<v Speaker 5>make an argument.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, offensive, if we're not talking about Nick b.

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<v Speaker 5>He's average thirty six points. Sure would you say he's

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<v Speaker 5>a better passion than Code.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think he's passed the ball better than Kobe's

0:28:03.080 --> 0:28:03.800
<v Speaker 1>the NBA player.

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<v Speaker 4>Is that not offense?

0:28:05.560 --> 0:28:08.879
<v Speaker 2>It just about the saying, yeah, but he's He's not

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<v Speaker 2>even in the same.

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<v Speaker 3>Life on the line. Who are you asking to play

0:28:12.359 --> 0:28:13.360
<v Speaker 3>that basketball game?

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<v Speaker 6>Their numbers are life.

0:28:18.119 --> 0:28:20.800
<v Speaker 3>Your life is on the line. Who are you picking

0:28:20.880 --> 0:28:23.960
<v Speaker 3>James Harden to Kobe Bryant. You're picking no, not even

0:28:23.960 --> 0:28:26.880
<v Speaker 3>a basket, just to win a game. Give me Kobe Bryant.

0:28:27.440 --> 0:28:27.520
<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 7>All that Kobe Bryant played played hardened ball that in

0:28:31.760 --> 0:28:35.520
<v Speaker 7>that little window between shack and paling them. Yeah, and

0:28:35.560 --> 0:28:38.360
<v Speaker 7>he put up forty, like seventy games in a row,

0:28:38.400 --> 0:28:38.600
<v Speaker 7>and he.

0:28:38.600 --> 0:28:46.680
<v Speaker 4>Went hard on a bunch of threes. Ball hogging. What

0:28:46.720 --> 0:28:49.640
<v Speaker 4>do you mean? What do we not remember the post

0:28:49.680 --> 0:28:50.080
<v Speaker 4>shack co.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what, it's close.

0:28:52.360 --> 0:28:55.560
<v Speaker 4>I say it, you can make it. Hardy had a squad.

0:28:55.680 --> 0:28:59.200
<v Speaker 3>Kobe did not have a squad post Shack Bro until

0:28:59.240 --> 0:29:03.600
<v Speaker 3>he got power. Hold on, don't up. I'm gonna lie

0:29:04.000 --> 0:29:07.960
<v Speaker 3>so much. Parker was good. Stop he wasn't, but he

0:29:08.040 --> 0:29:11.200
<v Speaker 3>wasn't good the year that Harden scored them thirty points

0:29:11.520 --> 0:29:14.400
<v Speaker 3>forty straight games in a row, which was in insane.

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<v Speaker 4>I want you to look at who was playing on

0:29:16.040 --> 0:29:21.080
<v Speaker 4>the court. I mean, it's not crazy to tell us

0:29:21.800 --> 0:29:25.640
<v Speaker 4>us guess it's not crazy. I'm not saying you.

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<v Speaker 1>Think James Harden could be better than Kobe offensive offensively

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<v Speaker 1>as a basketball player.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely not. I'm only talking about offense.

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<v Speaker 2>It is time you gotta think about argument.

0:29:37.760 --> 0:29:41.960
<v Speaker 3>It is an argument. I'm not listen, listen, I'm not

0:29:42.000 --> 0:29:44.440
<v Speaker 3>even saying it's true. But you have to give credits to.

0:29:44.440 --> 0:29:47.640
<v Speaker 2>The thinking about it.

0:29:47.640 --> 0:29:48.560
<v Speaker 4>It is a thought.

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<v Speaker 3>See your trolling now, glasses. This is this is this

0:29:52.440 --> 0:29:54.320
<v Speaker 3>is why, this is why I call you a troll.

0:29:54.400 --> 0:29:57.360
<v Speaker 4>Sometimes you don't believe that points.

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<v Speaker 1>If Kobe's a ten at scoring the ball, right, he's

0:30:04.000 --> 0:30:04.840
<v Speaker 1>a ten offense.

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<v Speaker 4>He's had a nine point seventy five.

0:30:07.040 --> 0:30:11.880
<v Speaker 1>But what hards a nine, passing hard as a ten.

0:30:13.000 --> 0:30:15.920
<v Speaker 4>And what is code seven?

0:30:17.600 --> 0:30:20.440
<v Speaker 3>Well, if you average that shit out, brother, what you

0:30:20.560 --> 0:30:23.840
<v Speaker 3>mean if you average that ship out with the only

0:30:23.880 --> 0:30:25.880
<v Speaker 3>two metrics we're gonna look at. We're not gonna look

0:30:25.920 --> 0:30:29.920
<v Speaker 3>at who's more clutch, who plays better than winning time?

0:30:30.400 --> 0:30:31.440
<v Speaker 4>We're not looking at none of that.

0:30:31.560 --> 0:30:31.720
<v Speaker 3>Huh.

0:30:31.840 --> 0:30:36.920
<v Speaker 4>We only we only like not winning the most clutch

0:30:37.200 --> 0:30:38.680
<v Speaker 4>offensive players of all time?

0:30:39.040 --> 0:30:42.000
<v Speaker 6>Bounty out once a week.

0:30:42.520 --> 0:30:45.560
<v Speaker 3>Kobe getting that ship three times, and he will say,

0:30:45.640 --> 0:30:47.400
<v Speaker 3>give me my bounty three times.

0:30:47.720 --> 0:30:48.080
<v Speaker 2>Listen.

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<v Speaker 4>So wait a minute, wait a minute, But you didn't

0:30:50.240 --> 0:30:51.680
<v Speaker 4>ask that question to.

0:30:51.640 --> 0:30:53.720
<v Speaker 2>Be honest, listen, Tom, to be honest, who's.

0:30:53.560 --> 0:30:56.080
<v Speaker 4>A better tough shot maker? Kobe Bryant? I mean, have

0:30:56.120 --> 0:30:58.680
<v Speaker 4>you seen who's the better clutch? Who's a better clutch player?

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<v Speaker 3>Hold on, hold, I don't know. Have you seen the

0:31:00.880 --> 0:31:03.000
<v Speaker 3>shit harder with shooting in his prime? It wasn't like

0:31:03.000 --> 0:31:05.840
<v Speaker 3>it was easy, says Bro. The fucking weak ass step

0:31:05.880 --> 0:31:07.720
<v Speaker 3>back to when he's flailing his legs out like a

0:31:07.800 --> 0:31:10.920
<v Speaker 3>jellyfish to make me disrespect him, And I just said I.

0:31:10.840 --> 0:31:11.440
<v Speaker 4>Won't do that.

0:31:11.640 --> 0:31:16.160
<v Speaker 3>The fuck out of here, Warriors. You already tried early

0:31:16.240 --> 0:31:19.000
<v Speaker 3>with that d way bullshit, fuck out of here. Put

0:31:19.040 --> 0:31:21.640
<v Speaker 3>the fuck out of here, Thomas. I want you to

0:31:21.680 --> 0:31:23.720
<v Speaker 3>go right now and shoot the motherfucking step back from

0:31:23.720 --> 0:31:27.840
<v Speaker 3>fucking thirty feet AWAYNA player asked half the NBA to

0:31:27.880 --> 0:31:28.080
<v Speaker 3>do it.

0:31:28.120 --> 0:31:31.720
<v Speaker 4>They can't do it. He's shooting double step backs.

0:31:31.760 --> 0:31:31.880
<v Speaker 2>Ge.

0:31:32.240 --> 0:31:34.280
<v Speaker 3>That's not an easy I know. He make it look crazy.

0:31:34.320 --> 0:31:36.600
<v Speaker 3>They need to do all that bullshit to get buckets.

0:31:36.720 --> 0:31:37.600
<v Speaker 3>Fuck out of here.

0:31:39.040 --> 0:31:39.320
<v Speaker 2>The week.

0:31:40.240 --> 0:31:43.840
<v Speaker 4>He's all right, So who's the more efficient score?

0:31:43.880 --> 0:31:50.240
<v Speaker 3>I'm not talking about and listen to my question.

0:31:50.360 --> 0:31:51.600
<v Speaker 4>Listen to my question, everybody.

0:31:51.640 --> 0:31:54.920
<v Speaker 3>I want everybody answer this when I say efficiency, But

0:31:55.000 --> 0:31:57.440
<v Speaker 3>I'm not talking about numbers.

0:31:57.520 --> 0:31:58.680
<v Speaker 4>I'm talking about.

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<v Speaker 3>Moves to get a buck You're going with Kobe or Hard.

0:32:02.800 --> 0:32:03.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm going with Kobe.

0:32:04.000 --> 0:32:05.360
<v Speaker 4>It depends on what you want. Period.

0:32:05.800 --> 0:32:08.720
<v Speaker 3>Hard got eighty fucking times before you can get a basket.

0:32:08.800 --> 0:32:13.640
<v Speaker 3>Kobe five fucking pivots and spending ship and how many

0:32:13.720 --> 0:32:15.120
<v Speaker 3>drugs did it take him to do it?

0:32:16.160 --> 0:32:16.600
<v Speaker 4>A lot of?

0:32:16.720 --> 0:32:22.440
<v Speaker 3>Actually, Oh my god, Now you're trying to rewrite history.

0:32:23.720 --> 0:32:25.440
<v Speaker 4>So listen the funk out of here.

0:32:25.440 --> 0:32:27.640
<v Speaker 3>Man. Now you're trying to rewrite history like beans one

0:32:27.680 --> 0:32:29.960
<v Speaker 3>getting buckets from everyone on the floor. In every possible

0:32:29.960 --> 0:32:32.880
<v Speaker 3>fucking way, and we I agree with you. I don't know,

0:32:33.040 --> 0:32:35.280
<v Speaker 3>Jordy doesn't get buckets on the floor from everywhere and everything.

0:32:35.560 --> 0:32:37.440
<v Speaker 4>Away got a mid range.

0:32:37.280 --> 0:32:40.760
<v Speaker 3>Game, I'm not disagreeing, hardly got a post up game,

0:32:42.560 --> 0:32:45.720
<v Speaker 3>Hardly gotta fade away, not like hardly got a hook.

0:32:45.760 --> 0:32:48.200
<v Speaker 4>Shout, baby hook.

0:32:48.560 --> 0:32:50.720
<v Speaker 2>Well, what about passing the ball?

0:32:51.320 --> 0:32:54.080
<v Speaker 3>I don't give a funk about passing the ball? A

0:32:54.240 --> 0:32:56.360
<v Speaker 3>question of Look at all these offs.

0:32:59.000 --> 0:33:01.680
<v Speaker 2>We we agree that Lebron.

0:33:01.440 --> 0:33:04.920
<v Speaker 3>James the greatest offensive basketball player ever played because he

0:33:04.960 --> 0:33:07.840
<v Speaker 3>scored the most and he could pass out of here.

0:33:08.280 --> 0:33:12.640
<v Speaker 7>One of Kobe's assists numbers looked like on bad teams

0:33:13.080 --> 0:33:16.600
<v Speaker 7>in between the two championship Ron Terris.

0:33:16.480 --> 0:33:18.280
<v Speaker 4>Six six assists.

0:33:19.640 --> 0:33:20.640
<v Speaker 2>Look, I think this.

0:33:20.760 --> 0:33:22.080
<v Speaker 6>He was dominating the ball at the.

0:33:22.560 --> 0:33:26.800
<v Speaker 4>Four five five, basically like he for his career. He

0:33:26.800 --> 0:33:28.120
<v Speaker 4>had his four point seven assists.

0:33:28.280 --> 0:33:30.080
<v Speaker 7>I don't want his career. I want that window when

0:33:30.120 --> 0:33:32.239
<v Speaker 7>he was on a bad team, commanding.

0:33:32.640 --> 0:33:37.120
<v Speaker 3>Four five, six point five and five point five six,

0:33:37.600 --> 0:33:41.000
<v Speaker 3>four point five, six seven, five point four. Those were

0:33:41.040 --> 0:33:43.120
<v Speaker 3>the years where he had his highest assists numbers in

0:33:43.160 --> 0:33:45.959
<v Speaker 3>his career. When he didn't have shot, his assists went

0:33:46.040 --> 0:33:48.040
<v Speaker 3>up by almost one and a half to two a.

0:33:48.000 --> 0:33:49.760
<v Speaker 4>Game, and Hard was averaging eleven.

0:33:50.200 --> 0:33:53.640
<v Speaker 3>They were scoring ninety seven fucking points back then. Okay,

0:33:54.160 --> 0:33:56.560
<v Speaker 3>how many like you also got to think about this?

0:33:57.120 --> 0:33:59.880
<v Speaker 3>I have an opportunity because of the way to get

0:33:59.880 --> 0:34:02.800
<v Speaker 3>the NBA offense is set up to just fucking run

0:34:02.880 --> 0:34:03.960
<v Speaker 3>up numbers because they.

0:34:04.400 --> 0:34:05.360
<v Speaker 4>Score the ball.

0:34:05.640 --> 0:34:07.920
<v Speaker 3>He can also just really pass the ball game scores

0:34:07.920 --> 0:34:09.799
<v Speaker 3>in two thousand and four, two thousand and five, two

0:34:09.840 --> 0:34:13.800
<v Speaker 3>thousand and six, two thousand and seven. Now we're doing now, halloway,

0:34:13.400 --> 0:34:17.839
<v Speaker 3>Now we're doing this Halloway time. I'm I'm not gonna

0:34:17.880 --> 0:34:19.279
<v Speaker 3>let you do this because now you sound like me

0:34:19.320 --> 0:34:22.320
<v Speaker 3>when we talking about Luca and bron first year, because.

0:34:22.080 --> 0:34:23.520
<v Speaker 4>I'd have done the same ship with you, and you

0:34:23.560 --> 0:34:25.959
<v Speaker 4>won't let me do it. No, no, no, no, no no.

0:34:26.239 --> 0:34:28.000
<v Speaker 3>We want to know why you can't do that to me,

0:34:28.200 --> 0:34:29.440
<v Speaker 3>because it ain't fucking stopped.

0:34:29.920 --> 0:34:31.920
<v Speaker 4>It's faded. It's only went up more and more and

0:34:31.920 --> 0:34:33.640
<v Speaker 4>more and more and more and more and more, so

0:34:33.680 --> 0:34:35.359
<v Speaker 4>that Broun should go up more and more and more

0:34:35.360 --> 0:34:39.919
<v Speaker 4>and more and more with very clearly peaked. He's very

0:34:39.920 --> 0:34:43.600
<v Speaker 4>clearly peaked, alright, bro. He may clearly had a peak. Alright,

0:34:43.600 --> 0:34:46.600
<v Speaker 4>bro Lebron, he didn't have a peak. Of course he

0:34:46.680 --> 0:34:47.799
<v Speaker 4>had a peak. Okay, So with.

0:34:48.400 --> 0:34:51.919
<v Speaker 3>Talking about Luca's peaking, Louke ain't even twenty five yet.

0:34:52.400 --> 0:34:53.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't mean he played.

0:34:53.600 --> 0:34:55.680
<v Speaker 1>It's not about your age as much as how much

0:34:55.719 --> 0:34:58.960
<v Speaker 1>basketball you played. It ain't like he's getting better shaped

0:34:59.000 --> 0:34:59.760
<v Speaker 1>to last longer.

0:35:00.040 --> 0:35:02.759
<v Speaker 3>And everybody was saying all this ship about Lebron too.

0:35:02.800 --> 0:35:04.799
<v Speaker 3>He ain't gonna last. He's not gonna last. He's not

0:35:04.840 --> 0:35:09.160
<v Speaker 3>gonna last twenty fucking years later. Yeah, but I don't

0:35:09.520 --> 0:35:12.480
<v Speaker 3>tell me what Luca is doing to physically expect himself

0:35:12.520 --> 0:35:13.520
<v Speaker 3>other than playing.

0:35:13.239 --> 0:35:16.720
<v Speaker 6>Hurt Lucas that much. Style of playing.

0:35:16.840 --> 0:35:19.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no way, the style of playing.

0:35:19.600 --> 0:35:22.680
<v Speaker 3>He just gotta stop smoking cigarettes and drinking because that's

0:35:22.680 --> 0:35:26.160
<v Speaker 3>what he loves to do. I'm dead ass. He smokes

0:35:26.239 --> 0:35:29.360
<v Speaker 3>zarets and he drinks a lot. That's why he's overweight.

0:35:31.000 --> 0:35:33.480
<v Speaker 6>Out of the trash.

0:35:33.719 --> 0:35:36.480
<v Speaker 3>Speaking of calaries, I don't think about all the calories.

0:35:36.480 --> 0:35:40.480
<v Speaker 3>He probably justed drinking beers and alcohol also the last

0:35:40.480 --> 0:35:45.040
<v Speaker 3>twenty years. He also just doesn't even because because he

0:35:45.239 --> 0:35:48.759
<v Speaker 3>got a very specific old white man type of body. Well,

0:35:48.840 --> 0:35:52.200
<v Speaker 3>regardless of his physical powers, disappearing. I believe he will

0:35:52.239 --> 0:35:55.520
<v Speaker 3>still have a superior level of skill that will always

0:35:55.520 --> 0:35:57.160
<v Speaker 3>allow him to be a guy that can get you

0:35:57.200 --> 0:35:59.880
<v Speaker 3>twenty points, eight rebounds and eight assist to night. Just

0:36:00.800 --> 0:36:05.240
<v Speaker 3>we were talking about players, Luca is better than harder

0:36:05.280 --> 0:36:05.480
<v Speaker 3>than me.

0:36:06.160 --> 0:36:11.240
<v Speaker 4>We have to stop far. He's only played five years.

0:36:11.960 --> 0:36:16.840
<v Speaker 4>We got four years only the first team. We gotta stopped.

0:36:17.520 --> 0:36:20.080
<v Speaker 2>We gotta stopped so doing for a couple of years.

0:36:20.160 --> 0:36:20.920
<v Speaker 2>You just sold us out.

0:36:21.000 --> 0:36:23.439
<v Speaker 4>He just went to a finals? Did fucking Harden taking

0:36:23.520 --> 0:36:26.200
<v Speaker 4>team to the finals? Did hard to take a team

0:36:26.239 --> 0:36:27.840
<v Speaker 4>to the final? Well, you have to play the Warriors?

0:36:27.840 --> 0:36:27.920
<v Speaker 3>No?

0:36:30.719 --> 0:36:31.000
<v Speaker 4>Okay?

0:36:31.120 --> 0:36:32.160
<v Speaker 2>Did did?

0:36:32.320 --> 0:36:33.840
<v Speaker 6>And then there were three?

0:36:34.719 --> 0:36:35.200
<v Speaker 4>And did?

0:36:35.480 --> 0:36:35.919
<v Speaker 2>And did?

0:36:36.200 --> 0:36:38.879
<v Speaker 6>Did the Survivor podcast?

0:36:39.160 --> 0:36:42.239
<v Speaker 2>Or did Luca play with somebody who had won a championship?

0:36:43.480 --> 0:36:45.640
<v Speaker 4>Got too as well? He did play with Kyrie Iervan.

0:36:47.360 --> 0:36:48.959
<v Speaker 2>He didn't go there before Kyrie Irving.

0:36:51.040 --> 0:36:52.520
<v Speaker 4>He lost to the Warriors before.

0:36:53.000 --> 0:36:56.200
<v Speaker 3>Excuse for James Harden, I'm saying he didn't play with

0:36:56.239 --> 0:36:57.560
<v Speaker 3>somebody that won a championship.

0:36:58.440 --> 0:36:59.359
<v Speaker 2>He played with Dwight Howard.

0:37:00.440 --> 0:37:04.080
<v Speaker 3>Dwight Havenard been to the championship championship eighty years. Not

0:37:04.239 --> 0:37:06.440
<v Speaker 3>then the White They go to the championship because of

0:37:06.440 --> 0:37:08.560
<v Speaker 3>the white Howard. But you said he's he's, he's, he's

0:37:08.600 --> 0:37:10.840
<v Speaker 3>one of the goats. He came up lift nobody.

0:37:11.239 --> 0:37:12.080
<v Speaker 2>But he's just older.

0:37:13.320 --> 0:37:17.399
<v Speaker 4>Luca twenty five on bat on his knee bleeding every.

0:37:17.360 --> 0:37:19.360
<v Speaker 1>Day and they made in the finals. How young the

0:37:19.719 --> 0:37:23.319
<v Speaker 1>like NBA final champion Kyrie Irving is.

0:37:24.840 --> 0:37:25.920
<v Speaker 4>Kyrie? Ain't he thirty?

0:37:26.600 --> 0:37:26.759
<v Speaker 7>Now?

0:37:28.440 --> 0:37:32.200
<v Speaker 4>That's my fucking boy, Yeah, prime Kyrie no more. He's

0:37:32.280 --> 0:37:33.640
<v Speaker 4>pretty goddamn good.

0:37:33.920 --> 0:37:36.080
<v Speaker 3>He was dog sitting in the fucking playoffs and we

0:37:36.160 --> 0:37:39.320
<v Speaker 3>all know in cup trying to rack last year, this

0:37:39.480 --> 0:37:40.399
<v Speaker 3>fucking ye didn't happen.

0:37:40.880 --> 0:37:41.359
<v Speaker 4>He wasn't.

0:37:41.440 --> 0:37:44.000
<v Speaker 8>It wasn't playoffs, bro, he won dog sit in the

0:37:44.080 --> 0:37:46.600
<v Speaker 8>finals and in the Western final he got he had

0:37:46.719 --> 0:37:48.600
<v Speaker 8>he had hell in the final, all right.

0:37:48.600 --> 0:37:51.439
<v Speaker 4>Brow right, he was dog sitting in the final.

0:37:51.760 --> 0:37:53.759
<v Speaker 2>Luca and him had held in the final.

0:37:53.920 --> 0:37:56.239
<v Speaker 4>He was no, he was dogs was great.

0:37:56.640 --> 0:38:00.839
<v Speaker 3>Hell, Kyrie shot like thirty percent of the shoot twenty

0:38:01.160 --> 0:38:01.919
<v Speaker 3>percent for three.

0:38:02.200 --> 0:38:05.000
<v Speaker 4>What did lucas shooting the finals? I don't remember it.

0:38:05.440 --> 0:38:06.040
<v Speaker 4>You didn't shoot it?

0:38:06.080 --> 0:38:12.279
<v Speaker 2>When when he look, are you fucking kidding me? Even matter?

0:38:12.800 --> 0:38:12.920
<v Speaker 4>God?

0:38:13.000 --> 0:38:15.400
<v Speaker 3>Damn hoops and Loo jumped through for James Harden like

0:38:15.719 --> 0:38:21.600
<v Speaker 3>some fucking goddamn magnanimous winners. Again again, I'm sorry, Hardened,

0:38:21.760 --> 0:38:24.000
<v Speaker 3>as I said, I didn't want to disrespect you, but

0:38:24.239 --> 0:38:24.600
<v Speaker 3>we got.

0:38:24.680 --> 0:38:27.959
<v Speaker 4>To stop it with this. But again we're just talking

0:38:28.000 --> 0:38:31.959
<v Speaker 4>about offense. The totality of offering Luca is better.

0:38:32.520 --> 0:38:36.560
<v Speaker 3>We can make an argument is better. He's better, and

0:38:36.680 --> 0:38:40.239
<v Speaker 3>he ain't even in his prime yet, He's just he's

0:38:41.680 --> 0:38:44.960
<v Speaker 3>you're not in his prime. The paving you're the main

0:38:45.000 --> 0:38:46.800
<v Speaker 3>person told me people going to the prime between you

0:38:46.800 --> 0:38:47.560
<v Speaker 3>when they twenty seven.

0:38:47.680 --> 0:38:50.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I don't think he didn't want to rewipe. No, no, no, no, no,

0:38:51.120 --> 0:38:51.640
<v Speaker 4>get worse.

0:38:52.000 --> 0:38:53.480
<v Speaker 2>It's not, it's not every person.

0:38:55.000 --> 0:38:58.839
<v Speaker 4>Also just getting worse. He just made the fucking NBA finals.

0:38:58.960 --> 0:39:01.320
<v Speaker 2>Get worse because he's playing with Kyrie Irving.

0:39:01.880 --> 0:39:06.160
<v Speaker 3>Also, hold on, lor NBA player won a championship without

0:39:06.160 --> 0:39:08.520
<v Speaker 3>an other star in a Dirk the Whiskey, So.

0:39:08.600 --> 0:39:11.760
<v Speaker 2>You missed he wasn't going without Kyrie Irving another champion.

0:39:12.520 --> 0:39:18.320
<v Speaker 3>Also, I'm asking you what NBA player championship on his own.

0:39:19.760 --> 0:39:24.440
<v Speaker 4>Chemological and arguably to say, honest argument, I'm fine with that.

0:39:24.719 --> 0:39:29.319
<v Speaker 3>Three guys, one of those It's been seventy five years

0:39:29.400 --> 0:39:33.360
<v Speaker 3>of fucking basketball. I was, I was actual going to

0:39:33.400 --> 0:39:37.319
<v Speaker 3>say Bill one, three guys all time, Bill Warten, okay, four,

0:39:38.360 --> 0:39:39.640
<v Speaker 3>what are we talking about.

0:39:41.400 --> 0:39:43.120
<v Speaker 6>When Willis Reid came out for seven.

0:39:46.560 --> 0:39:52.359
<v Speaker 4>Conversation because he can't take his team there? Listen, neither

0:39:52.440 --> 0:39:53.840
<v Speaker 4>could neither could Luca.

0:39:55.239 --> 0:39:58.399
<v Speaker 3>It got to the finals on t but also also

0:39:59.480 --> 0:40:03.840
<v Speaker 3>real quick, what the best play the real quick? Actually no, actually,

0:40:04.000 --> 0:40:05.800
<v Speaker 3>defense took the motherfuckers to the finals.

0:40:06.719 --> 0:40:08.640
<v Speaker 4>The best player on the team, yes.

0:40:08.560 --> 0:40:12.439
<v Speaker 2>But that was the that was he was the worst

0:40:12.480 --> 0:40:14.080
<v Speaker 2>player defensively, bro I.

0:40:14.160 --> 0:40:18.120
<v Speaker 4>Remember doing these pods doing the playoff run and.

0:40:19.640 --> 0:40:21.600
<v Speaker 3>In the playoffs, yes, and I remember being like, yo,

0:40:21.760 --> 0:40:23.760
<v Speaker 3>Lucas bawling, but what the fuck is this defense?

0:40:24.040 --> 0:40:26.680
<v Speaker 4>Derrick Jones out that, like, goddamn Scottie Pippen, what are

0:40:26.719 --> 0:40:27.080
<v Speaker 4>we doing?

0:40:27.680 --> 0:40:31.160
<v Speaker 3>Kyrie was even garden people. Kyrie was even garden people.

0:40:32.040 --> 0:40:33.680
<v Speaker 3>Bricks in them fucking moccasons.

0:40:36.239 --> 0:40:40.640
<v Speaker 1>I feel the same way about people like like AI,

0:40:41.160 --> 0:40:43.440
<v Speaker 1>where you have a number one defense and you have

0:40:43.520 --> 0:40:45.960
<v Speaker 1>the number one defensive player and then the offensive player

0:40:46.040 --> 0:40:47.800
<v Speaker 1>gets the credit. You know, I can't stand that I

0:40:48.040 --> 0:40:49.080
<v Speaker 1>had everybody.

0:40:49.360 --> 0:40:55.080
<v Speaker 3>Had every single award when rebounding not a part of defense. Glasses, Yes,

0:40:55.280 --> 0:40:57.160
<v Speaker 3>it is so the man going out there and getting

0:40:57.160 --> 0:40:58.960
<v Speaker 3>ten rebounds a night. I mean he wasn't playing no

0:40:59.040 --> 0:41:00.480
<v Speaker 3>defense then, huh okay, I.

0:41:00.520 --> 0:41:03.480
<v Speaker 1>Think he contributes the defense. I think he's still the

0:41:03.560 --> 0:41:04.960
<v Speaker 1>worst defender on the team though.

0:41:05.680 --> 0:41:08.319
<v Speaker 4>And so has James Harder been every fucking.

0:41:08.440 --> 0:41:12.640
<v Speaker 2>Not playing that defend the Luca about four.

0:41:17.160 --> 0:41:20.239
<v Speaker 4>Defender. He also lived. You want to talk about he

0:41:20.320 --> 0:41:29.320
<v Speaker 4>played the Warriors the motherfuckers. No, he was exist for

0:41:29.400 --> 0:41:33.040
<v Speaker 4>a reason. Who Harder in game six? That's not because

0:41:33.040 --> 0:41:35.160
<v Speaker 4>of Harden whoarded him during them?

0:41:35.239 --> 0:41:38.040
<v Speaker 3>Game six is when they was playing against hard after

0:41:38.160 --> 0:41:42.200
<v Speaker 3>you because of the thunder k D and Russell Westbrook.

0:41:43.000 --> 0:41:47.520
<v Speaker 3>So clan't go crazy in game six? No, No, that

0:41:47.719 --> 0:41:53.480
<v Speaker 3>was both of them. Definitely three points in the second half.

0:41:53.600 --> 0:41:56.920
<v Speaker 3>That was Steph and they both played great. No, they

0:41:57.080 --> 0:42:00.480
<v Speaker 3>wasn't here, No, they wasn't. I don't remember she did

0:42:00.520 --> 0:42:04.279
<v Speaker 3>against the Rockets. Because you fucking hate him, No, I don't, Yes,

0:42:04.360 --> 0:42:07.319
<v Speaker 3>you do. We've been alruing about this fucking nine years and.

0:42:09.120 --> 0:42:11.839
<v Speaker 4>I don't. That's why you never see nothing he does

0:42:11.880 --> 0:42:15.239
<v Speaker 4>because you fucking hate him. Glasses. Can you tell me

0:42:15.320 --> 0:42:16.920
<v Speaker 4>when Clay gave from the Rocket series?

0:42:17.239 --> 0:42:17.799
<v Speaker 2>Any of them?

0:42:19.560 --> 0:42:22.600
<v Speaker 3>What a clay game you remember is probably the thunder game.

0:42:23.560 --> 0:42:27.960
<v Speaker 3>Even wait, even let's go back. Steph Curry slips on sweat,

0:42:28.360 --> 0:42:29.960
<v Speaker 3>tears springs?

0:42:30.000 --> 0:42:32.880
<v Speaker 4>Is m C the a C? When the Rockets was

0:42:32.920 --> 0:42:35.920
<v Speaker 4>the a C? Where was? Where was the greatest offensive

0:42:35.920 --> 0:42:36.680
<v Speaker 4>player of all time?

0:42:36.800 --> 0:42:39.400
<v Speaker 3>Then when Coley Thompson came out and they sent them

0:42:39.440 --> 0:42:41.400
<v Speaker 3>boys home in the first round with no Steph Curry,

0:42:42.760 --> 0:42:47.440
<v Speaker 3>don't Steph Curry wasn't playing, where you fucking offensive? Goa?

0:42:47.560 --> 0:42:50.280
<v Speaker 3>Then Kobe wouldn't let that ship slide. I probably tweeted

0:42:50.320 --> 0:42:53.040
<v Speaker 3>that back then Kobe lost a three one league. Kobe

0:42:53.080 --> 0:42:56.160
<v Speaker 3>wouldn't have let that ship slapbys Wan Curry slipping on

0:42:56.200 --> 0:42:57.240
<v Speaker 3>that sweat Kobe.

0:43:00.120 --> 0:43:03.560
<v Speaker 4>Like he did many times, many times we lost a

0:43:03.600 --> 0:43:08.120
<v Speaker 4>three one lead to the Sons. All right, we all

0:43:08.239 --> 0:43:08.680
<v Speaker 4>like listen.

0:43:08.960 --> 0:43:13.200
<v Speaker 3>Ever since the man's untimely you know situation, we have

0:43:13.360 --> 0:43:17.240
<v Speaker 3>started untimely death. You can say he died no direspect

0:43:17.360 --> 0:43:21.640
<v Speaker 3>rp being, we have started to have revisionous history about

0:43:21.680 --> 0:43:24.360
<v Speaker 3>some of these fucking Kobe, you gotta fucking stop. We

0:43:24.480 --> 0:43:26.560
<v Speaker 3>were saying, people were saying the ship when it was happening.

0:43:26.600 --> 0:43:29.799
<v Speaker 3>Everybody was saying, your fucking grace and then the man

0:43:29.920 --> 0:43:34.320
<v Speaker 3>had to untimely death, and we have started to revisionize.

0:43:34.840 --> 0:43:36.800
<v Speaker 4>No, we also have to stop. No, no, no, you

0:43:36.920 --> 0:43:37.840
<v Speaker 4>have to also stop.

0:43:38.520 --> 0:43:41.960
<v Speaker 3>He died so shortly after he retired, we haven't even

0:43:42.040 --> 0:43:44.000
<v Speaker 3>really had a chance to put him in a proper

0:43:44.080 --> 0:43:46.239
<v Speaker 3>context because he ain't been dead that long.

0:43:46.520 --> 0:43:50.719
<v Speaker 2>What we knew he was no yeah, but still but

0:43:50.840 --> 0:43:52.400
<v Speaker 2>still people.

0:43:52.880 --> 0:43:55.160
<v Speaker 3>In terms of greatness and all time great and where

0:43:55.160 --> 0:43:58.040
<v Speaker 3>we ranked people. It usually takes some time for that

0:43:58.200 --> 0:44:01.200
<v Speaker 3>to happen. No, wrong, you know, let me can you

0:44:01.960 --> 0:44:02.439
<v Speaker 3>let me finish?

0:44:03.920 --> 0:44:04.200
<v Speaker 4>Finish?

0:44:04.920 --> 0:44:06.440
<v Speaker 1>But I'm saying we kind of knew Kobe was the

0:44:06.480 --> 0:44:08.399
<v Speaker 1>second best shooting guard back in twenty ten.

0:44:09.680 --> 0:44:11.920
<v Speaker 7>People knew Michael was the best two guard of all

0:44:12.040 --> 0:44:13.720
<v Speaker 7>time while he was playing.

0:44:15.239 --> 0:44:16.040
<v Speaker 4>I understand it.

0:44:16.280 --> 0:44:18.640
<v Speaker 3>But the only thing that time has done for Michael

0:44:18.719 --> 0:44:22.279
<v Speaker 3>Jordan has proved has only proven that they were right.

0:44:22.920 --> 0:44:27.680
<v Speaker 4>No, no, wait, are you let me finish my point?

0:44:27.719 --> 0:44:28.359
<v Speaker 4>Then you can argue.

0:44:28.840 --> 0:44:31.640
<v Speaker 3>My point is is that we grew up with Kobe.

0:44:32.320 --> 0:44:34.320
<v Speaker 3>We grew up with Kobe me and you did not

0:44:34.400 --> 0:44:36.359
<v Speaker 3>grow up with Mike. I grew up as a little

0:44:36.440 --> 0:44:38.799
<v Speaker 3>kid seeing the end of Michael Jordan, But I grew

0:44:38.880 --> 0:44:42.000
<v Speaker 3>up with Kobe. I knew he was great, but where

0:44:42.040 --> 0:44:45.080
<v Speaker 3>I could put him all time, I couldn't really put

0:44:45.239 --> 0:44:48.080
<v Speaker 3>him in any of them places, at any of them points,

0:44:48.440 --> 0:44:51.000
<v Speaker 3>because a lot of the guys that still might have been.

0:44:50.880 --> 0:44:54.640
<v Speaker 4>In contention for that were still playing here. He waited

0:44:54.880 --> 0:44:55.360
<v Speaker 4>like Haarten.

0:44:55.800 --> 0:45:01.880
<v Speaker 3>Now that time has passed, That time has passed, the

0:45:01.920 --> 0:45:04.439
<v Speaker 3>second greatest shooting Guarden. Was never a time in life

0:45:04.480 --> 0:45:07.000
<v Speaker 3>in which you even considered the Wing would have wrong

0:45:07.080 --> 0:45:09.440
<v Speaker 3>off two or three championships versus the Warriors.

0:45:09.480 --> 0:45:11.040
<v Speaker 4>It would have been a conversation he would be.

0:45:11.600 --> 0:45:14.719
<v Speaker 3>You would have never known that because fucking Kobe died

0:45:14.800 --> 0:45:17.840
<v Speaker 3>too soon, and we haven't had the real chance to

0:45:17.920 --> 0:45:22.160
<v Speaker 3>even put it in proper perspective. It does, Yes, it does,

0:45:22.440 --> 0:45:25.680
<v Speaker 3>even a guy like Chris Bosh being celebrated. He he

0:45:25.960 --> 0:45:31.279
<v Speaker 3>theoretically would still being right now celebrated the way he

0:45:31.280 --> 0:45:32.080
<v Speaker 3>should be celebrated.

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<v Speaker 4>Bro, you don't know that. You don't know that. I

0:45:35.120 --> 0:45:37.000
<v Speaker 4>know that you don't fun I kind of know that

0:45:37.280 --> 0:45:37.880
<v Speaker 4>you don't know that.

0:45:37.920 --> 0:45:41.360
<v Speaker 3>Because his career lasted nine years, Lash was one of

0:45:41.360 --> 0:45:42.719
<v Speaker 3>the greatest pot for us of all time.

0:45:43.160 --> 0:45:46.360
<v Speaker 4>Any he never got the chance to go past nine years.

0:45:47.080 --> 0:45:50.200
<v Speaker 3>A twenty we still wouldn't think that I know that

0:45:51.400 --> 0:45:55.600
<v Speaker 3>past years. You do not know that he's playing very well.

0:45:55.680 --> 0:45:59.799
<v Speaker 3>After Lebron left, he was just dog because they sit

0:46:00.440 --> 0:46:01.480
<v Speaker 3>salary captain had.

0:46:03.040 --> 0:46:03.279
<v Speaker 2>Shit.

0:46:03.760 --> 0:46:06.520
<v Speaker 3>They were a dogship team. They were not good stopping

0:46:07.160 --> 0:46:09.239
<v Speaker 3>the heat. After Lebron was good.

0:46:09.360 --> 0:46:13.239
<v Speaker 4>Thomas, Yes, Thomas, all right, Thomas were the same age.

0:46:13.480 --> 0:46:15.759
<v Speaker 5>There's never a point in time in which you watched

0:46:15.840 --> 0:46:18.160
<v Speaker 5>Chris Bosh play the game of basketball and thought he's

0:46:18.200 --> 0:46:19.960
<v Speaker 5>one of the all time greates potfors of all time.

0:46:20.080 --> 0:46:22.239
<v Speaker 4>You didn't think that, you thought he was good.

0:46:22.560 --> 0:46:24.400
<v Speaker 3>How do you define all time grace. He's a Hall

0:46:24.440 --> 0:46:26.200
<v Speaker 3>of Famer. He is one of the greatest power for

0:46:26.320 --> 0:46:27.080
<v Speaker 3>us to ever played the game?

0:46:28.000 --> 0:46:33.319
<v Speaker 4>Famous okay okay, okay, okay. Question, were watching Gianni's right now? Right?

0:46:33.600 --> 0:46:35.560
<v Speaker 4>You think Joanna's one of the greds poper for ever played,

0:46:35.560 --> 0:46:35.800
<v Speaker 4>don't you?

0:46:36.480 --> 0:46:39.200
<v Speaker 3>Gianni is one of the greatest ten basketball players to

0:46:39.320 --> 0:46:40.600
<v Speaker 3>ever pick up basketball?

0:46:40.960 --> 0:46:41.440
<v Speaker 2>Exactly?

0:46:41.800 --> 0:46:44.920
<v Speaker 3>But what does that mean you You never watched Chris

0:46:45.000 --> 0:46:47.400
<v Speaker 3>Bosh and said he won the best fifteen twenty. You

0:46:47.440 --> 0:46:48.840
<v Speaker 3>didn't say he's one of the best thirty people to

0:46:48.840 --> 0:46:51.960
<v Speaker 3>pick up basketball because he's not a top thirty player.

0:46:52.040 --> 0:46:56.320
<v Speaker 3>But I'm exactly but I'm confused at this argument.

0:46:56.360 --> 0:46:56.440
<v Speaker 6>BRO.

0:46:56.560 --> 0:46:59.440
<v Speaker 4>If he played longer, am I? If he played longer,

0:46:59.640 --> 0:47:01.879
<v Speaker 4>don't fucking know what would have happened. That's my whole

0:47:01.920 --> 0:47:02.640
<v Speaker 4>point point.

0:47:02.680 --> 0:47:04.399
<v Speaker 3>So you can only go off what you saw, which

0:47:04.480 --> 0:47:06.640
<v Speaker 3>was with them nine years and before he went to

0:47:06.760 --> 0:47:09.560
<v Speaker 3>go stand in the corner like Lebron made Kevin Love,

0:47:10.120 --> 0:47:12.000
<v Speaker 3>the man was out there averaging twenty and ten.

0:47:12.280 --> 0:47:14.879
<v Speaker 4>My stop is this. My point is this, It don't

0:47:14.920 --> 0:47:17.560
<v Speaker 4>take that long to recognize greatness. Bro.

0:47:17.800 --> 0:47:19.759
<v Speaker 3>So you think if he won great Lebron would have

0:47:20.160 --> 0:47:22.279
<v Speaker 3>hand picked him to go and play in Miami with him.

0:47:22.440 --> 0:47:25.160
<v Speaker 6>He was, there's great available.

0:47:26.160 --> 0:47:27.240
<v Speaker 4>It's not a great event.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's here's here's a better You think.

0:47:30.400 --> 0:47:32.839
<v Speaker 3>You think, you think any team and at that point

0:47:32.920 --> 0:47:37.360
<v Speaker 3>didn't want Christmas question because they had him Duncan.

0:47:37.840 --> 0:47:40.160
<v Speaker 6>One hundred and fiftieth best player in the.

0:47:41.040 --> 0:47:43.520
<v Speaker 3>And it started wait wait wait wait wait, Dallas, you

0:47:43.600 --> 0:47:45.560
<v Speaker 3>had you had Tim Duncan.

0:47:45.640 --> 0:47:46.600
<v Speaker 4>Who was he was he?

0:47:46.840 --> 0:47:49.359
<v Speaker 2>Where was he at at power forward ranking? In two

0:47:49.480 --> 0:47:50.960
<v Speaker 2>thousand and ten he.

0:47:51.120 --> 0:47:52.480
<v Speaker 4>Was a top five power forward?

0:47:53.040 --> 0:47:54.439
<v Speaker 2>Is ever that's fair?

0:47:54.840 --> 0:47:58.080
<v Speaker 3>He no, no, no, no, I'm talking about that year,

0:47:58.480 --> 0:48:01.360
<v Speaker 3>next year that he had his ailment. He was a

0:48:01.440 --> 0:48:03.120
<v Speaker 3>top five power forward in the league.

0:48:03.560 --> 0:48:05.279
<v Speaker 4>Is he he was?

0:48:05.400 --> 0:48:07.680
<v Speaker 3>The heat team just was not that great because he

0:48:07.800 --> 0:48:10.879
<v Speaker 3>was definitely because they really weren't expecting Lebron to leave,

0:48:10.960 --> 0:48:13.479
<v Speaker 3>and then when Lebron left, they didn't have anything left.

0:48:13.920 --> 0:48:18.719
<v Speaker 3>He it was no, no, no, no, but Wade, but

0:48:18.840 --> 0:48:22.160
<v Speaker 3>the Wave's miniscus was was really fucked up the last

0:48:22.239 --> 0:48:24.680
<v Speaker 3>six years of his career, and it kind of started

0:48:25.120 --> 0:48:27.719
<v Speaker 3>and it kind of started in the last championship run.

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<v Speaker 2>Who were the five power forwards at that point on

0:48:31.520 --> 0:48:32.319
<v Speaker 2>that team question?

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<v Speaker 1>Tweets doesn't better than Kevin Garnet, and he wasn't better

0:48:36.320 --> 0:48:37.799
<v Speaker 1>than Pagosat in.

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<v Speaker 4>Twenty ten and twenty ten.

0:48:40.480 --> 0:48:47.279
<v Speaker 3>Okay, Tim Duncan Dirk nowhiskey Palgasol, Kevin Garnet, the why

0:48:47.400 --> 0:48:48.719
<v Speaker 3>and and and Tim Dunnan.

0:48:49.200 --> 0:48:50.960
<v Speaker 4>So actually, no, he wasn't in twenty ten.

0:48:51.040 --> 0:48:51.520
<v Speaker 7>No, he wasn't.

0:48:53.840 --> 0:48:55.280
<v Speaker 2>So that just solved y'all problem.

0:48:56.920 --> 0:49:00.319
<v Speaker 4>I'm confused. I'm saying wasn't.

0:49:01.520 --> 0:49:03.279
<v Speaker 7>There's a limit to how many you can put in

0:49:03.360 --> 0:49:03.960
<v Speaker 7>the top five.

0:49:04.120 --> 0:49:05.000
<v Speaker 4>That's clear it up.

0:49:05.239 --> 0:49:07.359
<v Speaker 3>And I apologize, but I still think he was better

0:49:07.400 --> 0:49:12.719
<v Speaker 3>than KG in twenty ten. Like KG first two years

0:49:12.760 --> 0:49:14.680
<v Speaker 3>on the Celtics was fired. After that, it was like,

0:49:15.920 --> 0:49:18.480
<v Speaker 3>madness is mister madness, I'm dead ass.

0:49:18.600 --> 0:49:20.440
<v Speaker 4>KG played nine years too long.

0:49:20.520 --> 0:49:22.879
<v Speaker 2>To me, he has never in his life been better than.

0:49:24.320 --> 0:49:24.640
<v Speaker 7>I did.

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<v Speaker 4>Play too long, nine years too long. Yeah, but twenty

0:49:27.640 --> 0:49:29.560
<v Speaker 4>ten it wasn't part of the it was it was

0:49:29.680 --> 0:49:31.000
<v Speaker 4>it was. It was at the end of the peak.

0:49:31.160 --> 0:49:32.759
<v Speaker 4>Do you think that Boston team going to the finals

0:49:32.800 --> 0:49:33.600
<v Speaker 4>with Chris Boss.

0:49:34.120 --> 0:49:38.239
<v Speaker 3>No, they say had Paul Pearson. Reality, yeah, you lost

0:49:38.719 --> 0:49:41.480
<v Speaker 3>and they had Rondo and they had they was.

0:49:41.480 --> 0:49:43.520
<v Speaker 4>One of the deepest teams in the league. You lost

0:49:43.560 --> 0:49:49.120
<v Speaker 4>your they won fifty games that year. You're telling me, Yeah, that's.

0:49:48.960 --> 0:49:55.160
<v Speaker 3>Too Amari, Yeah, Amari went better than KG. No, fuck,

0:49:55.520 --> 0:50:03.120
<v Speaker 3>he won better than Amari. You come on, bro, No,

0:50:04.080 --> 0:50:09.160
<v Speaker 3>no wait wait wait no, no, actually no, Actually that's

0:50:09.239 --> 0:50:13.160
<v Speaker 3>not crazy because I think by then O Mario had

0:50:13.160 --> 0:50:14.080
<v Speaker 3>already went to the Knicks.

0:50:14.920 --> 0:50:16.880
<v Speaker 4>No, that was actually his best, his last and his

0:50:16.960 --> 0:50:18.080
<v Speaker 4>best season in Phoenix.

0:50:18.120 --> 0:50:20.960
<v Speaker 1>So again I'm saying to you, it's not crazy to

0:50:21.120 --> 0:50:24.799
<v Speaker 1>think James Harden could be a better offensive player than

0:50:24.880 --> 0:50:25.480
<v Speaker 1>Kobe Bryant.

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<v Speaker 2>Not a better score, a better offensive player.

0:50:29.120 --> 0:50:31.200
<v Speaker 4>Not a better player, just a better offensive player.

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<v Speaker 3>I think, and y'all defining it by the most vague

0:50:35.200 --> 0:50:38.040
<v Speaker 3>and simplest of of metrics, and I just don't like that.

0:50:40.800 --> 0:50:42.920
<v Speaker 3>If that's the case, James Harden is a great offensive

0:50:42.920 --> 0:50:47.040
<v Speaker 3>player than Magic Johnson. No, yeah, Magic Johnson is a

0:50:47.120 --> 0:50:49.840
<v Speaker 3>level Magic Johnson is a level what score glasses?

0:50:50.320 --> 0:50:51.719
<v Speaker 2>I don't know either.

0:50:51.920 --> 0:50:56.960
<v Speaker 4>Nine, and he's a level what as a passer? Fifteen? Okay,

0:50:57.160 --> 0:50:58.680
<v Speaker 4>So Harden is a what is a score?

0:51:00.040 --> 0:51:03.560
<v Speaker 2>Probably eight? Nine, he's a.

0:51:03.640 --> 0:51:06.000
<v Speaker 3>Nine bro out of ten And you're telling me he's

0:51:06.040 --> 0:51:07.719
<v Speaker 3>just he's I don't I don't think.

0:51:07.760 --> 0:51:11.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't think James Harden wins MVPs because of his scoring.

0:51:11.239 --> 0:51:13.920
<v Speaker 1>I think James Harden wins MVPs because of his combination

0:51:14.000 --> 0:51:15.120
<v Speaker 1>of passing and scoring.

0:51:15.480 --> 0:51:18.120
<v Speaker 3>So again back to the metric, because that you asked

0:51:18.200 --> 0:51:20.279
<v Speaker 3>me earlier. So his scoring is what out of ten?

0:51:22.600 --> 0:51:22.920
<v Speaker 4>I think?

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<v Speaker 2>I think Magic Johnson And this time I'm not in

0:51:30.160 --> 0:51:33.399
<v Speaker 2>his time, twenty points a game was a lot. It's

0:51:33.440 --> 0:51:35.920
<v Speaker 2>a lot. It's a lot of points.

0:51:36.480 --> 0:51:38.680
<v Speaker 4>And then he also had thirty five.

0:51:39.880 --> 0:51:43.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he's pouring on points in the eighties, seven

0:51:43.480 --> 0:51:45.160
<v Speaker 2>thousand million in scoring, So.

0:51:46.520 --> 0:51:48.520
<v Speaker 3>He's a what then, so he said he had twelve

0:51:48.640 --> 0:51:51.200
<v Speaker 3>as a passer, a nine as a nine as a score,

0:51:51.880 --> 0:51:56.160
<v Speaker 3>So that's what a twenty one rebounder. No, we know

0:51:56.239 --> 0:51:59.440
<v Speaker 3>you didn't mention rebounding earlier we were having this conversation, so.

0:51:59.440 --> 0:52:05.279
<v Speaker 4>We don't talk abou rebound in the rebound. We're talking

0:52:05.320 --> 0:52:07.080
<v Speaker 4>about offense. If we add rebounded.

0:52:07.640 --> 0:52:10.440
<v Speaker 2>Was getting not a better offensive player than Magic Johnson?

0:52:10.520 --> 0:52:11.120
<v Speaker 2>Of course he's not.

0:52:11.600 --> 0:52:13.000
<v Speaker 4>By your metrics, I think he is.

0:52:13.440 --> 0:52:15.600
<v Speaker 2>No, he's not, because he would be sure he'd be

0:52:15.680 --> 0:52:16.480
<v Speaker 2>short the only.

0:52:16.360 --> 0:52:18.799
<v Speaker 3>Place he would just be a because because Magic would

0:52:18.800 --> 0:52:20.440
<v Speaker 3>be a nine as a score and a ten. If

0:52:20.480 --> 0:52:24.520
<v Speaker 3>that's the maximum regarded to me, is a nine point

0:52:24.600 --> 0:52:27.080
<v Speaker 3>seventy five as a score and a and a nine

0:52:27.120 --> 0:52:28.200
<v Speaker 3>point five as a passer.

0:52:28.600 --> 0:52:30.560
<v Speaker 4>Yes, he's better than Magic Johnson.

0:52:30.880 --> 0:52:31.360
<v Speaker 2>No, it's not.

0:52:31.920 --> 0:52:33.719
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it is, by your metrics, it is.

0:52:34.520 --> 0:52:38.080
<v Speaker 1>And then you have to count into rebounds. My man's

0:52:38.120 --> 0:52:40.360
<v Speaker 1>wanted to create. My man is a great offensive rebounding

0:52:40.360 --> 0:52:40.960
<v Speaker 1>four point.

0:52:40.800 --> 0:52:43.680
<v Speaker 4>Guard harder than don't get offensive.

0:52:43.280 --> 0:52:46.320
<v Speaker 2>Rebounds, No, he don't. He's good on a break, he

0:52:46.320 --> 0:52:47.200
<v Speaker 2>ain't get on offense.

0:52:48.320 --> 0:52:50.640
<v Speaker 4>He don't get Kobey didn't get offensive rebounds.

0:52:51.120 --> 0:52:53.200
<v Speaker 2>Not really, not the way you would think No, No,

0:52:53.480 --> 0:52:55.560
<v Speaker 2>he's shot too much. He was far away from the basket.

0:52:57.400 --> 0:52:59.240
<v Speaker 2>Ask good. So no, it's just level.

0:52:59.360 --> 0:53:02.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, it's not crazy to think James Harden is

0:53:02.400 --> 0:53:03.880
<v Speaker 1>a better offensive player than Kobe.

0:53:04.320 --> 0:53:06.480
<v Speaker 2>Is he a better score to Kobe? On no planet?

0:53:07.719 --> 0:53:08.440
<v Speaker 2>On no planet.

0:53:09.120 --> 0:53:11.439
<v Speaker 1>There's not a shot on the court that I would

0:53:11.480 --> 0:53:15.040
<v Speaker 1>prefer James Harden to take instead of Kobe Bryant, period,

0:53:15.160 --> 0:53:17.880
<v Speaker 1>Not at three, not at the cup, not at nothing.

0:53:18.200 --> 0:53:21.680
<v Speaker 1>But because offense is so much more than scoring the ball,

0:53:22.280 --> 0:53:25.560
<v Speaker 1>and when you start to include those factors, it's pretty good.

0:53:28.520 --> 0:53:29.200
<v Speaker 2>It's pretty good.

0:53:29.320 --> 0:53:29.560
<v Speaker 3>Tom.

0:53:31.120 --> 0:53:33.120
<v Speaker 2>If you had to get a pass that you needed,

0:53:33.160 --> 0:53:34.520
<v Speaker 2>who do you want to make that pass?

0:53:36.600 --> 0:53:39.400
<v Speaker 3>It depends it is Kobe being triple team the quadruple

0:53:39.440 --> 0:53:41.239
<v Speaker 3>team right now, or is he playing one on one?

0:53:41.440 --> 0:53:47.160
<v Speaker 3>He not gonna pass that, motherfucker. I gotta But you

0:53:47.239 --> 0:53:49.080
<v Speaker 3>know what, I've got a better chance of scoring if

0:53:49.080 --> 0:53:49.279
<v Speaker 3>he does.

0:53:49.440 --> 0:53:53.120
<v Speaker 7>There four seconds the shot clock that we can that.

0:53:53.200 --> 0:53:53.640
<v Speaker 2>We can use.

0:53:54.960 --> 0:53:56.759
<v Speaker 4>Can we act like Kobe didn't dribble the fuck out

0:53:56.800 --> 0:53:58.280
<v Speaker 4>the ball, not like Harden.

0:53:58.960 --> 0:54:00.000
<v Speaker 2>Nobody dribble like Harden.

0:54:00.040 --> 0:54:01.880
<v Speaker 5>I agree, nobody dripped like Harden, But like, why do

0:54:01.960 --> 0:54:04.520
<v Speaker 5>we act like Kobe was just like, oh, I don't.

0:54:04.560 --> 0:54:05.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't have any.

0:54:08.440 --> 0:54:12.520
<v Speaker 7>Because the entire point hinges on the cost of Harden.

0:54:13.360 --> 0:54:15.120
<v Speaker 7>That's the whole point of this conversation.

0:54:15.840 --> 0:54:19.680
<v Speaker 1>So we don't all agree that James Harden is a

0:54:19.760 --> 0:54:21.880
<v Speaker 1>better offensive player than Kobe Bryant.

0:54:22.200 --> 0:54:28.840
<v Speaker 6>No, not exceed his relative cost to the rest of

0:54:28.920 --> 0:54:29.239
<v Speaker 6>the floor.

0:54:29.640 --> 0:54:31.760
<v Speaker 4>Thank you. I wish we had a funk flex bomb

0:54:36.040 --> 0:54:39.520
<v Speaker 4>losing his mine right now. I don't. I can't deny.

0:54:39.760 --> 0:54:43.680
<v Speaker 3>Listen, I'm not I'm not saying it's a definite. I'm

0:54:43.719 --> 0:54:46.239
<v Speaker 3>not saying it's a certain thing. But you can't deny

0:54:46.400 --> 0:54:47.759
<v Speaker 3>it's a legitimate question.

0:54:48.320 --> 0:54:48.600
<v Speaker 7>It is.

0:54:49.760 --> 0:54:54.280
<v Speaker 4>It is a legitimate question. You can legit have the conversation.

0:54:55.000 --> 0:54:57.880
<v Speaker 4>I'm not saying it's a definite. I just did have

0:54:58.040 --> 0:55:04.239
<v Speaker 4>you Yeah we did, but but yeah, it happened. It

0:55:04.360 --> 0:55:04.880
<v Speaker 4>did happen.

0:55:05.560 --> 0:55:07.840
<v Speaker 1>I do think James Harden is one of those talents

0:55:07.880 --> 0:55:10.359
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna be talking about for years about how great

0:55:10.400 --> 0:55:12.000
<v Speaker 1>he could have been and how great was he.

0:55:13.040 --> 0:55:16.520
<v Speaker 4>I agree, I think many years he'll get disrespected about

0:55:16.520 --> 0:55:17.040
<v Speaker 4>a lot of people.

0:55:19.200 --> 0:55:22.040
<v Speaker 1>Right now, I don't think he'll get disrespected. I think

0:55:22.120 --> 0:55:23.080
<v Speaker 1>he'll get heralded.

0:55:24.600 --> 0:55:26.400
<v Speaker 6>What do you think could have been looks like, what

0:55:26.440 --> 0:55:30.000
<v Speaker 6>does that mean? I mean could have been?

0:55:30.160 --> 0:55:34.719
<v Speaker 1>If what Listen, It's only so many offensive talents in

0:55:34.719 --> 0:55:38.360
<v Speaker 1>the NBA that you can add other offensive players and

0:55:38.520 --> 0:55:41.000
<v Speaker 1>make a championship offensive team.

0:55:41.040 --> 0:55:43.799
<v Speaker 2>There's only a handful of players. Magic 's not one

0:55:43.880 --> 0:55:44.120
<v Speaker 2>of them.

0:55:44.480 --> 0:55:47.560
<v Speaker 4>I agree, I agree, But you know who is Lucas.

0:55:48.000 --> 0:55:49.600
<v Speaker 4>You just saw him take a team to the championship

0:55:50.239 --> 0:55:51.360
<v Speaker 4>and lewis only.

0:55:51.160 --> 0:55:56.040
<v Speaker 1>A handful of talents, Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan. It's only

0:55:56.120 --> 0:55:58.160
<v Speaker 1>a handful of talents that that would work with.

0:56:01.320 --> 0:56:03.200
<v Speaker 3>No, you need defense for Dennis ron You want to

0:56:03.200 --> 0:56:06.319
<v Speaker 3>say Michael Jordan's I mean you said he you said

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<v Speaker 3>his offensive rebound that makes him a better power forward

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<v Speaker 3>than most players, So you.

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<v Speaker 2>Need that everybody not named him.

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<v Speaker 3>Duncan setting I mean setting screens and getting offensive rebounds

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<v Speaker 3>is I mean it's kept Draymond Green woofully employed.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't got to Dennis Robbin is better than every

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<v Speaker 1>power forward not named Tim Duncan got a greater, great

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<v Speaker 1>NBA career.

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<v Speaker 2>You already know why.

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<v Speaker 4>He's not.

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<v Speaker 2>Got a long way to go. You gott work is

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<v Speaker 2>the third.

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<v Speaker 4>He's not better than Jannis through one quarter all.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Johnes couldn't get nowhere near the stops.

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<v Speaker 4>A lot.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree, but that's but that's what.

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<v Speaker 3>There's like a million things that Jannie can do that

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<v Speaker 3>Robin can't do. Actually, the only the only thing Robin

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<v Speaker 3>can do that Yiannis can't do is have the highest

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<v Speaker 3>motor in NBA history.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not Robb used to go and runs and Timberland's

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<v Speaker 4>after the game.

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<v Speaker 2>Even was tasked with rebound. He couldn't rebound as well.

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<v Speaker 6>With the Pistons.

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<v Speaker 2>No, not, he was a three. Yeah, but he's a

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<v Speaker 2>true for.

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<v Speaker 6>Listen, rob that's an interesting pair of sentences.

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<v Speaker 1>Only thing I think the only thing Giannis clearly does

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<v Speaker 1>better than Robbin is score the ball.

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<v Speaker 4>No, he's a better reportator.

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<v Speaker 3>Robin wasn't a big shot way better passer to infinitely

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<v Speaker 3>better passes, infinitely better ball hand better pass know.

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<v Speaker 7>Those those outlet passes from the knees.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah that's not true. Yeah, that's not true.

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<v Speaker 3>I think he has he has more sense, but he's

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<v Speaker 3>not a better passers. Played point guard for a season.

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<v Speaker 3>What are we talking about?

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<v Speaker 2>Scoring? Power forward, scoring stops. Time it's over. He's not

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<v Speaker 2>better at anything else. You gotta stop this I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>going so if you need to a better shot blocker,

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<v Speaker 2>than it's not about a shot. If you needed to stop,

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<v Speaker 2>you will.

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<v Speaker 1>Asking you about who's the better You're trying to break

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<v Speaker 1>defense down into particular fashions.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm telling you who's the better defender.

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<v Speaker 1>Stop?

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<v Speaker 2>If you need to stop, you're gonna go Yiannis or

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<v Speaker 2>rob Me.

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<v Speaker 1>In Tom, I'm gonna go Rob Pete. You're gonna go

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<v Speaker 1>rob Me or Jannis. If you need one stop to

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<v Speaker 1>win the.

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<v Speaker 2>Game, I'm going with now again.

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<v Speaker 1>If I need a basket, if I need offense, if

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<v Speaker 1>I need a score, I'm going to go with Yannis.

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<v Speaker 2>But guess what if I need a offensive rebound, guess

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<v Speaker 2>who I'm gonna go.

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<v Speaker 4>We go rob me.

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<v Speaker 2>Again. That you know what, That's what we will pick

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<v Speaker 2>up on our lives with.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna have that conversation with different people. If who's

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<v Speaker 1>a better offensive player. So as this in the comments,

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<v Speaker 1>who's a better offensive player James Harden, James Harden or

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<v Speaker 1>Kobe Bryant offensive player?

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<v Speaker 4>When y'all hear his.

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<v Speaker 2>Offensive player only offensive.

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<v Speaker 7>Player, your LA fan base is going to ninety five

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<v Speaker 7>to five this split for sure. But that is a

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<v Speaker 7>religious cult Angelinos and Co and Kobe Bryant fandom are

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<v Speaker 7>Harry Christnas for Christ's sake.

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