Speaker 1: Watch up and welcome back to another episode of No
Speaker 1: Sealer's Podcast with your hosts Now fuck that with your
Speaker 1: load glasses Malone. Yeah, So what I've been doing specifically
Speaker 1: is so this so this ain't my first time.
Speaker 2: Like the first time time.
Speaker 1: Is like like in twenty fifteen, I was reading the Bible.
Speaker 2: I was reading the Vidicus. I'm not right.
Speaker 3: Wait wait wait wait, I wasn't expecting you to say
Speaker 3: that this is what you get for show it up.
Speaker 4: And also of all the books littus.
Speaker 1: Right straight up, like I ordered all of the Bibles
Speaker 1: and separate books.
Speaker 4: I didn't know you could do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so I I could. So I'm not mad
Speaker 1: at Constantine and the counselor not see it for like
Speaker 1: putting all the books together. But the problem is most
Speaker 1: people look at it like it's one book. So it
Speaker 1: helps my brain a lot more because I have the
Speaker 1: books at this point separate.
Speaker 2: To recognize the true I'm sure right.
Speaker 1: So I was reading the Viticus back then, and it
Speaker 1: was a level of discernment that came over me that said,
Speaker 1: if you're not reading what you're eating, then that's like
Speaker 1: one of the greatest sins. I don't know how I
Speaker 1: was reading some stuff and it just came to me
Speaker 1: that way, that type of discernment. So I understood at
Speaker 1: that point I needed to start reading what I was eating.
Speaker 1: And at that time in my life, I learned about refined, refined, pasteurize,
Speaker 1: all these different words. And as I started reading different ingredients,
Speaker 1: I was like, some of this shit, I had to
Speaker 1: look it up a lot of it. So I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna look. I'm not gonna eat something I
Speaker 1: don't know what it is. That first time, it helped
Speaker 1: me shad roughly sixty five percent of my excess body fat,
Speaker 1: like most of the way right, and that was important.
Speaker 1: But then I hit a wall and I didn't know
Speaker 1: what to do. And then also the fact you just
Speaker 1: doing shit in life, you know what I mean. You
Speaker 1: can't monitor everything you take in the way you would
Speaker 1: like like it just.
Speaker 2: Needed more detail.
Speaker 1: Two thy and twenty one, I read How to Eat
Speaker 1: to Live by the Honorable Eliji Muhammad. Shout out to
Speaker 1: KM and YB young bro. They put me up on it,
Speaker 1: and it was talking about how human beings used to
Speaker 1: eat one time to two times one time a day,
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes without and that just sounded crazy. But
Speaker 1: even when we were talking about you remember if you
Speaker 1: read the Bible, if you ever read the Bible, and
Speaker 1: they talk about the people that live like three four
Speaker 1: hundred one thousand years and shit, and it sounds crazy,
Speaker 1: but if you really think about it, we take a
Speaker 1: lot of years off our life, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: because our stomach spent so much time digesting food.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of things.
Speaker 1: So that stuff started making more sense, right, And I
Speaker 1: was like, damn, So I implemented that and I start
Speaker 1: eating one time a day.
Speaker 2: I mean, that.
Speaker 3: Worked out something people always I'm thirty four, and even
Speaker 3: my cousin who's ten years older than me or whatever,
Speaker 3: he saw me and I went back home to Chicago
Speaker 3: for the first time in three years, and he was like, Yo,
Speaker 3: how the fuck do you still look the same way
Speaker 3: you look when you was like nineteen or twenty. I
Speaker 3: was like, I don't really. I don't drink soda, I
Speaker 3: don't consume a lot of sugar. I eat probably like
Speaker 3: one or two big meals a day. And I try
Speaker 3: to stay active even if I'm not working out, I'm
Speaker 3: trying to walk and move around a lot. And that's
Speaker 3: really like to me, been the key to me. I mean,
Speaker 3: I smoke a lot of weed, but that ain't why
Speaker 3: I look the way I look. I just don't eat
Speaker 3: all day long and drink all day long. Like and
Speaker 3: the most of my family they all got a bunch
Speaker 3: of health issues. They're all overweight, and all they really
Speaker 3: do is eat, And that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that I learned that and that kind of
Speaker 1: did the same thing got to me about fifty to
Speaker 1: sixty percent.
Speaker 2: But it wasn't everything. It was just as of recent.
Speaker 1: My young brother whyb you know, we was talking and
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I've been walking two three four
Speaker 1: miles a day.
Speaker 2: I'm like. He was like, man.
Speaker 1: At that time, I realized I had got up to
Speaker 1: three hundred and forty nine pounds, and I was like, damn,
Speaker 1: I'm almost as big as I was at my heaviest.
Speaker 1: And again, if you see me, you can't really tell
Speaker 1: because I'm a really big person top to bottom, so
Speaker 1: it don't look like but y'all seen me at three
Speaker 1: hundred thirty, three hundred and forty pounds, you won't notice
Speaker 1: that's how big I am. But I noticed it, and
Speaker 1: I realized I was eating one time a day and
Speaker 1: I couldn't figure out. I'm like, damn, cuz, why am I?
Speaker 1: I was eating outside food and my body wasn't processing it.
Speaker 1: So immediately I started just Okay, I'm gonna cook for
Speaker 1: myself and make all the work.
Speaker 2: Boom boom boom. Right fast forward.
Speaker 1: About two and a half weeks ago. Three weeks YB
Speaker 1: challenged me. He was like, hey man, he said, you
Speaker 1: know you could. He said, why don't you consume your
Speaker 1: body weight in calories. I'm like, nigga, gotta be three
Speaker 1: hundred and you know, forty thirty calories. He like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like that ain't enough food. Like I'm He's like,
Speaker 1: you don't do a ton of stuff. You know, you
Speaker 1: really create, you know with your brain, you sit down,
Speaker 1: you do walk around, and yeah you are walking mouse.
Speaker 1: But I think it'll work a little bit better than
Speaker 1: you giving the credit for it. So I'm listening to
Speaker 1: me him and Joey Westside is on the phone and
Speaker 1: I'm laughing at this nigga, like, man, you sound crazy,
Speaker 1: this nigga. But the more I thought about it in
Speaker 1: that first five minutes, I was like, damn, that's a challenge.
Speaker 1: So I started looking up different foods and different things,
Speaker 1: you know. And I remember from ap biology that calories
Speaker 1: are just a metric to count energy, and it just
Speaker 1: kind of hit me all of a sudden.
Speaker 2: It was like, okay, wait a minute. So if if you're.
Speaker 1: Overweight, that's just stored or misplaced energy, right, that your
Speaker 1: body hasn't expelled, right.
Speaker 2: And I was like, okay, so if I'm.
Speaker 1: Only taking in you know, this much energy, but then
Speaker 1: when I walk my three to four miles, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm expelling more energy than that, then my
Speaker 1: body won't have a choice but to go and find
Speaker 1: the stored or misplaced energy and expel it to keep going.
Speaker 1: So it started making since and I was like, you
Speaker 1: know what, I'm gonna do it, and we talked about it,
Speaker 1: and ever since then, man, I could feel so outside
Speaker 1: of the you know, the knowledge of clean eating, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying that I had from twenty fifteen
Speaker 1: with the you know, the eating one time a day
Speaker 1: from the honorable Eliji Muhammad and I need to live
Speaker 1: and then everything now it's like this is the first
Speaker 1: time I'm like one hundred percent sure, I'm pretty much gonna,
Speaker 1: you know, achieve the goal of making sure I don't
Speaker 1: have excess body fact that I don't need. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is the first time in life I know I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do it, And.
Speaker 2: Even on Fridays.
Speaker 1: At this point, I let my stomach rest forty eight hours,
Speaker 1: Like I'll eat Thursday at three, and then I'll eat
Speaker 1: Saturday at three, and then when I run into the
Speaker 1: next wall, those walls that I was running into, I'll
Speaker 1: just add more days. It's like, Okay, instead of letting
Speaker 1: my stomach gress for forty eight hours, I let my
Speaker 1: stomach gress for seventy two hours until it starts to
Speaker 1: use and find all the misplaced and stored energy you
Speaker 1: need to use it all.
Speaker 2: I don't need all this extra energy.
Speaker 1: Then once I get into a much better stoage system
Speaker 1: that's more efficient, my body is more efficient, then I
Speaker 1: can start to talk about adding more energy into my
Speaker 1: die because then at that point I need to get
Speaker 1: on the wait a little bit more and shit like that.
Speaker 2: So That's what I've been doing.
Speaker 1: But I thought it was funny when you asked me that,
Speaker 1: because people did say ozimpic, and I was like, that's
Speaker 1: so cute, like a crip on ozimpic, that just what hell?
Speaker 2: Look cute. You know what I'm saying, Like, what.
Speaker 4: All you gotta we need? You gotta better put this
Speaker 4: in a book, get the market in it.
Speaker 3: I don't know what you're gonna call it, but you
Speaker 3: know you're gonna call it something with cripp in and
Speaker 3: figure it out your crypt diet playing or something like that.
Speaker 2: No, I thought about this.
Speaker 1: You can't teach this because the hardest part for most
Speaker 1: people is breaking how often they eat. Fact, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: want to be in this business, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like breaking people. You know, America has done such a
Speaker 1: good job in programming people to eat three times a day.
Speaker 2: You do not want to be.
Speaker 4: Three times a day.
Speaker 5: Like I've never in my life. Even now, I tell people, yeah,
Speaker 5: I eat once maybe twice a day. I've always just
Speaker 5: ate once maybe twice a day. People are like, yo,
Speaker 5: you only eat once? Like what, I'm not hungry three
Speaker 5: times a day. If I'm eating three times day, it's
Speaker 5: probably because I'm outside all day and I'm doing something
Speaker 5: so I'm like biting on something.
Speaker 4: But if I'm like living my actual normal life, I'm not.
Speaker 4: Why am I eating three times a day?
Speaker 2: Yeah? You know it's funny to eat that much.
Speaker 1: America has done such a great job of programming. But
Speaker 1: I do think it came into an effect when then
Speaker 1: de'strial revolution happened here when you probably was burning through
Speaker 1: three and four thousand.
Speaker 4: Calories a day.
Speaker 5: But it ain't nobody burning through Like bro, niggas got
Speaker 5: desk jobs. You're not burning through four thousand calories at
Speaker 5: a fucking desk job. Gee niggas work from home. You're
Speaker 5: not burning through that many calories. But when you win
Speaker 5: a steel meal, you might need to eat three times. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you might need to eat three times things or farming,
Speaker 5: I mean or farming.
Speaker 6: Farming for sure.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you can see that though, Like if you've looked,
Speaker 7: like ever looked at like either obesity and obesity related
Speaker 7: health issues by job, like number one is like bus.
Speaker 4: Driver because you're sitting down.
Speaker 5: That's funny, sitting down, that's funny as fuck. I'm thinking
Speaker 5: about every buzz driver I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 5: A lot of them are kind of.
Speaker 7: Obese, super high, and your pair like kind of also
Speaker 7: like who are a lot of your bus drivers and
Speaker 7: what are their diets?
Speaker 6: Yeah, versus like some.
Speaker 7: And that's that they wouldn't count for the United States
Speaker 7: I'd be willing to bet that like people in India
Speaker 7: and call centers aren't super obese, because people in India
Speaker 7: don't tend to be super obese by just the way
Speaker 7: that they operate. But they just sit there all day,
Speaker 7: pissing me off the whole time.
Speaker 2: No sellers g l in the motherfucking house.
Speaker 1: I got my brother Pete as usual about this time,
Speaker 1: I brought in my little brothers, TPJ, Pavy from Hoops
Speaker 1: and Bruce. So you know, if I brought them in
Speaker 1: something on my mind about fucking Hoops. Don't get me wrong,
Speaker 1: we could talk.
Speaker 6: We're talking about Bruce.
Speaker 1: We could talk to the dudes about it. That would
Speaker 1: be a good conversation when I have no idea about
Speaker 1: But I saw this post going around on social media
Speaker 1: about James Harden being the third greatest point guard I'm
Speaker 1: shooting guard ever.
Speaker 2: Did y'all see that?
Speaker 5: I didn't see it, but I will say I'm not
Speaker 5: mad at it.
Speaker 7: This is eleven and a half minute podcast.
Speaker 4: No here, No here is why I'm not mad at it?
Speaker 4: Where his rings at? Michael C go to thing, Michael Jordan,
Speaker 4: Kobe Bryant, he the.
Speaker 3: Best player on the Championship team ever player on the
Speaker 3: championship Holdwayne Wade was hawayne Wayne was hold on.
Speaker 4: Though.
Speaker 5: The thing about d wait one, d Wade never won
Speaker 5: the MVP ever, he's ever been finished top three in
Speaker 5: MVP voting.
Speaker 4: Means I would. That means I would. I would still
Speaker 4: put d Wade above James Harden.
Speaker 5: But I'm not mad at someone who would put hard
Speaker 5: and above number one.
Speaker 4: He's been scoring champion.
Speaker 5: How many times he's I think he's damn it led
Speaker 5: league in steels if I'm not mistaken. He's been first
Speaker 5: Team All NBA probably more time than d Wade as.
Speaker 4: He's won a m v P. He's been top three
Speaker 4: MVP voting a few times. He ran again.
Speaker 5: Even the teams he's ran up against, he ran up
Speaker 5: against the fucking Warriors. Bro Like his prime happened to
Speaker 5: coincide with the Warriors.
Speaker 7: There's always guys that fit that description, not the Warriors.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, can you say the same thing about
Speaker 2: d Wade?
Speaker 7: Now?
Speaker 1: I finished in first team All NBA because Kobe Bryant
Speaker 1: was in his NBA.
Speaker 4: Okay, be better.
Speaker 3: See this is where facts kind of start to whoop
Speaker 3: your ass and why I hate to have basketball arguments
Speaker 3: with you because you value stats and I value winning.
Speaker 3: But even with you valuing stats, you're still wrong. I'm
Speaker 3: looking at that right now. Season's played Dwayne Wade sixteen,
Speaker 3: James Harden fifteen, Championships Dwayne Wade three, Harden zero, All
Speaker 3: Star Games James Harden ten, Dwayne Wade thirteen MVPs. Harden
Speaker 3: got one Finals MVPs, Dwayne Wade got one.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 3: All NBA First Teams, Harden got Wade six to two.
Speaker 3: All NBA Team total selection d Wade got eight to
Speaker 3: Hard and seven. D Wade is also All NBA All
Speaker 3: Defense three times.
Speaker 4: Harden was a scoring.
Speaker 3: Leader three times, Dwayne Wade was once, and Harden was
Speaker 3: an assists leader twice.
Speaker 4: And he was a six minute the year. If I'm
Speaker 4: gonna say six man Hard six.
Speaker 3: Man, Okay, so what's your point.
Speaker 7: A lot of the best guys of all time came
Speaker 7: off the bench.
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 4: Stop stop it, stop stop it.
Speaker 3: He had more All NBA defense and more All NBA
Speaker 3: selections than Harden. It's not even close to me. It's
Speaker 3: not even very close. It's not even close.
Speaker 4: No, it's very close. It's not the finals MVP.
Speaker 3: Listen, he was better than Shaquille O'Neill was okay, wait,
Speaker 3: yes that was okay, number one, Yes he was better,
Speaker 3: Yes he was better.
Speaker 4: Yea exactly fat and out of weight.
Speaker 3: And when that team couldn't score the ball, Dwayne Wade
Speaker 3: scored the ball. Big buckets. They all right, man, man,
Speaker 3: now we're going how many times it's hard to been
Speaker 3: in a position for the refs to allow him to
Speaker 3: win a championship? Exactly funk out of here? But no,
Speaker 3: but no, but no, I can I can understand. Also,
Speaker 3: what are we considering Jerry West a point guard.
Speaker 4: Or a shooting guard?
Speaker 2: Point guard?
Speaker 5: Okay, well then yeah, I can't understand why somebody might say,
Speaker 5: James Harden it is the third greatest shooting of all time.
Speaker 4: If he had a ring, I don't think it would
Speaker 4: even be close.
Speaker 6: Question.
Speaker 7: Cousy was a point guard, yes, and hal Chick was
Speaker 7: a three.
Speaker 2: So it was the two problem.
Speaker 4: It was a he who was so he was three?
Speaker 6: He was Jones a two or three?
Speaker 1: He was a two to one in the two casey
Speaker 1: Jones was a one of the two.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Halichick was listened at three pretty much mostly.
Speaker 3: Because he was a football I mean he was he
Speaker 3: was listened at shooting guard for a couple I mean
Speaker 3: for like four years.
Speaker 4: But at his whole career he played small four most
Speaker 4: of the.
Speaker 7: Thought I remembering being in that position.
Speaker 4: So his resume, his resume. Wait, I agree with you.
Speaker 2: I agree with that.
Speaker 4: I agree with that.
Speaker 3: I have no problem with that is like fifth, This
Speaker 3: is a man Michael Jordan, yep, Kobe Bryant, Okay, Dwayne
Speaker 3: Wade and John Halichick. Check you just said he played
Speaker 3: four years at shooting guard. Who half check?
Speaker 4: Yeah he was time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but during the years he was a shooting guard,
Speaker 3: they won championships, he was an All star.
Speaker 4: What are we talking about?
Speaker 2: Thirteen times?
Speaker 7: The question to me, you know, you know what the
Speaker 7: question is here from a race.
Speaker 4: We're talking about combo guards?
Speaker 3: Are we talking because because this is also the thing,
Speaker 3: this is the era really much more of the combo guard.
Speaker 3: Harden is really a combo guard. He's not just a
Speaker 3: straightened shooting guard. He's a combo guard. He really is
Speaker 3: a point guard. We haven't playing shooting guard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we haven't listened at scoring guard.
Speaker 7: I think the reality of that conversation is that I
Speaker 7: don't know, I eversince wasn't really a point guard.
Speaker 1: He was, he was again, back to back to the
Speaker 1: beginning of what was known as the combo guard.
Speaker 4: It's hard and better than AI.
Speaker 6: I've said, they're the same guy, so long.
Speaker 4: Wait what you just.
Speaker 3: Yes, he's better than he's probably Yes, is one of
Speaker 3: the reasons why I love basketball.
Speaker 4: Yes, he's better than Alan.
Speaker 2: Irvous he's yeah, he's probably better than.
Speaker 4: He's better than a bro. And I love a I
Speaker 4: was shooting thirty field.
Speaker 3: I told you a long time ago, and and and
Speaker 3: although you would never hear me the spirits James Harden
Speaker 3: because I met him in person a couple of times.
Speaker 3: He's a very very nice guy sounds I mean it
Speaker 3: though he's a very he's a he's a very nice guy.
Speaker 3: But when it comes to the all time hoopers and gamers,
Speaker 3: he's not even in that conversation.
Speaker 2: To me, he has to be in the conversation I'm
Speaker 2: gonna take.
Speaker 3: If we're talking shooting guard for shooting guard in a
Speaker 3: big game, give me Devin book over.
Speaker 8: James Harden was the best. He wasn't.
Speaker 3: Get the get long out of here, and he won
Speaker 3: the best player on the team.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, we got to stop saying the best player
Speaker 1: on the team, because I think you mean when you
Speaker 1: say that, the best offensive player on the team, possibly.
Speaker 6: Even within that.
Speaker 7: I think what we're this is, this isn't a perfect
Speaker 7: illustration of the problem. And even advanced statistics for efficiency.
Speaker 7: Basketball is a sport of time and space. That's what
Speaker 7: it is at the end of the day, a sports. Yeah,
Speaker 7: basketball is very simple. There's difference between being in the
Speaker 7: good offensively production wise and good offensively schematically. He like,
Speaker 7: like we were saying, like way back, you can't have
Speaker 7: Russell Westbrook and Lebron and the same team because they
Speaker 7: are hogs of time and space.
Speaker 4: You can't.
Speaker 6: They can't coexist.
Speaker 7: Sure, Harden can't coexist a in a system based off
Speaker 7: the efficiency necessary to win, regardless of what he personally does.
Speaker 6: That is a huge detriment to me.
Speaker 1: Well, this is the conversation I used to have with
Speaker 1: PAV and TP all the time about a certain can
Speaker 1: you build an offensive jugger not around inefficient offensive players.
Speaker 2: And again, James Harden is not totally inefficient.
Speaker 4: He's not.
Speaker 1: He's actually efficient for a point guard. But Michael Jordan
Speaker 1: is godly efficient.
Speaker 7: Who's the most efficient offensive player of this era? The
Speaker 7: guy with the most rings Steph Curry.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, probably Steph Curry.
Speaker 6: It's not even closer.
Speaker 2: Curry a light year that's.
Speaker 1: Shooting that close to fifty percent from the field is
Speaker 1: shooting three is crazy.
Speaker 2: He catches it.
Speaker 7: He doesn't need he can create. He doesn't need to create.
Speaker 7: Everything else can happen. You can get three points of
Speaker 7: him in a nano second pole space. He happens quickly.
Speaker 7: He doesn't interfere. He exists on the on the fringes.
Speaker 3: He's immensely efficient technically, technically, by the numbers, it's actually Yokic,
Speaker 3: then Johannis.
Speaker 4: Then Curry.
Speaker 3: Curry really has only led the league in efficiency once
Speaker 3: that's not done the way. I'm just That's why I
Speaker 3: say it, by the numbers that look at it. But no,
Speaker 3: but wait, just let me finish. I'm saying this for
Speaker 3: the people that's going to listen to this, like, yeah, but
Speaker 3: the numbers gonna say so.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, by the numbers.
Speaker 3: Technically, these players the numbers play more efficiently than Steph Curry.
Speaker 3: But I agree with everything you're saying because of how
Speaker 3: dynamic his ability to output is.
Speaker 2: Yes, well no, it's where he's playing away from the rim.
Speaker 7: Yeah, there's no statistics that effectively determines efficiency.
Speaker 3: Technically, you can look at like true shooting percentage in
Speaker 3: the effective percentage.
Speaker 7: If you look at that, that's not schematic efficiency, Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1: Then you have to weigh where the players are playing
Speaker 1: at on the court. Right, Like a point guard shooting
Speaker 1: fifty percent, it's much greater than the center fifty five percent.
Speaker 4: Your shots to come at the rim with point guard.
Speaker 1: The closer you get to the hoop, and theory you
Speaker 1: should shoot a higher efficient, higher efficiency. But even in
Speaker 1: Steph Curvey situation, because as otherworldly as his offensive efficiency is,
Speaker 1: they still need what Draymond Green does as an all
Speaker 1: world defender to anchor their.
Speaker 2: Number one defense.
Speaker 1: But again, we're talking about building winners around players. So
Speaker 1: I get what you saying, Tom. You cannot build an
Speaker 1: offensive winner around probably James Harden offense.
Speaker 3: It would be really tough, right because to try it
Speaker 3: space twenty seven threes and you lose.
Speaker 7: He requires too much time on the twenty four o'clock
Speaker 7: and he requires too much space bunching other people into scurity.
Speaker 2: You would need a center like Joe.
Speaker 4: You would need you need you know what I mean you.
Speaker 2: Would need a better offensive talent.
Speaker 5: I think you would. I think in theory, which is
Speaker 5: what they had. I think you would need Dwight Howard,
Speaker 5: but prime Dwight Howard. But you would also have to
Speaker 5: get Dwight Howard to not want to post up. You
Speaker 5: would need, like Orlando, Dwight Howard if he just wanted
Speaker 5: to catch lobs.
Speaker 2: You can afford the center, the post up.
Speaker 1: You just can't afford the center and a power for
Speaker 1: it the post up fair, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: But but could you trap him around?
Speaker 3: While Orlando team was great because they had Hedo Turklu
Speaker 3: kind of playing that three four slot so he could
Speaker 3: stretch the floor. That's why they were able to beat
Speaker 3: the cast because they were able to shoot them because
Speaker 3: they can stretch the floor. So you are right, Like
Speaker 3: if Harden did have prime Dwight and let's just say
Speaker 3: he had Hetol on the team, I think they can
Speaker 3: win a championship. I mean, but that's a lot you
Speaker 3: need to him win fair. I don't believe you need
Speaker 3: to add that much around Steph Curry win the championship.
Speaker 2: It's a greater NBA player than Dwight Howard.
Speaker 1: Too, I'm not mad at that he's the greater offensive
Speaker 1: talent with Dwight Howard is a much greater impact on
Speaker 1: the court and and and situation altering, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 4: NBA was one of the best centers of all time.
Speaker 5: That people just because Dwight has done things to himself
Speaker 5: that make him like a joke, But like the White
Speaker 5: is one of.
Speaker 2: The best players of all the greatest centers.
Speaker 4: Like he wasn't on the seventy five list. It's kind
Speaker 4: of insane.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the fact they had a d over him probably wasn't.
Speaker 4: Like they had Dame Lillard over Dwight Howard. Was he.
Speaker 1: Shout out that, y'all, I love day No way, what
Speaker 1: do we do it?
Speaker 4: What are we doing it? What are we doing?
Speaker 1: But but again it goes back to that over I've
Speaker 1: I've been telling y'all this for a while, that over
Speaker 1: value of offense. Offense is the business of the NBA.
Speaker 1: Championships are still won through defense, but offense is.
Speaker 2: The business of the NBA. The reason it.
Speaker 1: Has this type of economics is because of the offenses
Speaker 1: providing average person can't enjoy anything else but scoring the ball.
Speaker 2: That's the one thing they feel like they can do.
Speaker 1: I think people genuinely think they could play defense, even
Speaker 1: though that's probably the hardest thing in the world to do.
Speaker 1: The average human being feels.
Speaker 3: Like, oh, I can play darg he score the boy,
Speaker 3: you can score the ball. You can't defend the NBA player,
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like like, I.
Speaker 7: Still feel like I could have been Tyrone Lou in
Speaker 7: my prime of physical I.
Speaker 1: Remember the first time I went to when I knew
Speaker 1: I was finna. Go to ar Teacher High School for
Speaker 1: one year and Charles O'Bannon had just graduated, and I'm
Speaker 1: just coming in as a freshman, and we was hooping
Speaker 1: one on one, just fucking around.
Speaker 2: One day.
Speaker 1: When I tell you how fast this dude was, Tom,
Speaker 1: It's no way a human being could be six sixty
Speaker 1: sixty seven to be this fast. And that's when I
Speaker 1: really I didn't take it into account as much as
Speaker 1: I understand today profession no game speed is underrated. It
Speaker 1: is not the thing people talk about. Professional game speed
Speaker 1: is like incredibly fast. It ain't even close to what
Speaker 1: you think. And the biggest dude that looks slow, like
Speaker 1: a Rudy Gobert, will go around you see the problem
Speaker 1: is there's guys that Rudy Gobert who with at twenty
Speaker 1: four hour fitness cuz, and he just blow.
Speaker 2: Around and dunk on him like he can't.
Speaker 3: Do that to other NBA allege he look crazy.
Speaker 1: There's this belief that Rudy Gobert, like if you was
Speaker 1: like that the average human being used at the twenty
Speaker 1: four our fitlings, Rudy would just go around you and dunk.
Speaker 2: Every like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like you'll be like, why he don't do this to
Speaker 1: the NBA players versus they all really fast, really athletic
Speaker 1: at that left. But Rudy, when you look at Rudyo TV,
Speaker 1: you will think Rudy couldn't even drip with the ball.
Speaker 2: Rudy probably be giving niggas work at the twenty four around.
Speaker 3: Shooting fucking step back threes, wearing your crazy shit, be like.
Speaker 7: Your best college players that don't make it in the league.
Speaker 6: For ten seconds.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's better than them by a lot.
Speaker 3: I remember now, like I remember even like in high
Speaker 3: school when I played, because I played basketball and football
Speaker 3: and track before I decided I wanted to make music
Speaker 3: and stop playing.
Speaker 5: Well, actually I actually no, I'll actually know. I'll tell
Speaker 5: you what happened.
Speaker 3: I went to you didn't eat You didn't eat no
Speaker 3: eggs when you was growing up.
Speaker 4: But listen, Hick, what happened.
Speaker 5: I went to a football seven on seven right because
Speaker 5: I was about to start at free safety on varsity
Speaker 5: my junior year, and I looked at the Chicago Christian
Speaker 5: white kids and I'm like, I'm not tackling them, like
Speaker 5: I'm not, Like, no, I was smaller than what I
Speaker 5: am now, I'm not tackling them.
Speaker 4: But I had to say. I remember, like we would
Speaker 4: go to like the Christmas tournaments.
Speaker 3: It was this guy who I think went to I
Speaker 3: think he went to Oregon and it didn't even work out,
Speaker 3: like I like forget his name, but how cold he
Speaker 3: was and just like against people who go gonna get
Speaker 3: desk jobs in the future was insane. He was like
Speaker 3: six seven, playing like center and it was dribbling the
Speaker 3: ball doing everything.
Speaker 4: He was like, this is crazy.
Speaker 5: So yes, if you if you if you go see
Speaker 5: an NBA player play in you know, just against regular people,
Speaker 5: it doesn't look real.
Speaker 4: It's like, how why you this good at sports? Bro?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I saw. I used to talk about Pat Beverley. They say,
Speaker 1: Pat Beverley was given.
Speaker 3: In high school. G. I watched Pat bay Of high
Speaker 3: school games. Pat bay Of in high school was in.
Speaker 4: G that was the area.
Speaker 3: It was Pap bay Of, d Rose, Searon Collins, Pat
Speaker 3: bay Of in high school was playing full court defense
Speaker 3: and giving niggas forty.
Speaker 4: Forty. Liked g like because it was it was Marshall.
Speaker 3: It was average forty average average thirty seven points Bro
Speaker 3: one season because they would full court press all day.
Speaker 4: As senior, they were full court press all day. Half
Speaker 4: the time he was Sea.
Speaker 3: He would just steal the ball before you got to
Speaker 3: half court and just lay the ball up.
Speaker 5: He averaged thirty seven points. D Rose in high school
Speaker 5: was just like it didn't make sense. D Rosey quicker
Speaker 5: than that, like Bro, like Bro. It was like that
Speaker 5: was the one person, like like if d Rose and
Speaker 5: Lebron was playing, because d Rose was like junior junior
Speaker 5: senior when Brown was in the league. I'm watching d Rose.
Speaker 5: That was one person. I'm like, yeah, he's going to
Speaker 5: the league. Like he's literally like, there's no way he's
Speaker 5: not going to the league.
Speaker 4: It was just foolish. It didn't make sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a different animal.
Speaker 1: Bro but I was thinking about that and I thought
Speaker 1: the conversation was unique.
Speaker 2: I'm like, it's James Harden.
Speaker 1: He's probably the third best offensive shooting guard.
Speaker 5: Ever, I would argue you could make an argument for
Speaker 5: the second best offensive shooting guard if you wanted to
Speaker 5: make an argument.
Speaker 3: Okay, offensive, if we're not talking about Nick b.
Speaker 5: He's average thirty six points. Sure would you say he's
Speaker 5: a better passion than Code.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's passed the ball better than Kobe's
Speaker 1: the NBA player.
Speaker 4: Is that not offense?
Speaker 2: It just about the saying, yeah, but he's He's not
Speaker 2: even in the same.
Speaker 3: Life on the line. Who are you asking to play
Speaker 3: that basketball game?
Speaker 6: Their numbers are life.
Speaker 3: Your life is on the line. Who are you picking
Speaker 3: James Harden to Kobe Bryant. You're picking no, not even
Speaker 3: a basket, just to win a game. Give me Kobe Bryant.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 7: All that Kobe Bryant played played hardened ball that in
Speaker 7: that little window between shack and paling them. Yeah, and
Speaker 7: he put up forty, like seventy games in a row,
Speaker 7: and he.
Speaker 4: Went hard on a bunch of threes. Ball hogging. What
Speaker 4: do you mean? What do we not remember the post
Speaker 4: shack co.
Speaker 2: You know what, it's close.
Speaker 4: I say it, you can make it. Hardy had a squad.
Speaker 3: Kobe did not have a squad post Shack Bro until
Speaker 3: he got power. Hold on, don't up. I'm gonna lie
Speaker 3: so much. Parker was good. Stop he wasn't, but he
Speaker 3: wasn't good the year that Harden scored them thirty points
Speaker 3: forty straight games in a row, which was in insane.
Speaker 4: I want you to look at who was playing on
Speaker 4: the court. I mean, it's not crazy to tell us
Speaker 4: us guess it's not crazy. I'm not saying you.
Speaker 1: Think James Harden could be better than Kobe offensive offensively
Speaker 1: as a basketball player.
Speaker 4: Absolutely not. I'm only talking about offense.
Speaker 2: It is time you gotta think about argument.
Speaker 3: It is an argument. I'm not listen, listen, I'm not
Speaker 3: even saying it's true. But you have to give credits to.
Speaker 2: The thinking about it.
Speaker 4: It is a thought.
Speaker 3: See your trolling now, glasses. This is this is this
Speaker 3: is why, this is why I call you a troll.
Speaker 4: Sometimes you don't believe that points.
Speaker 1: If Kobe's a ten at scoring the ball, right, he's
Speaker 1: a ten offense.
Speaker 4: He's had a nine point seventy five.
Speaker 1: But what hards a nine, passing hard as a ten.
Speaker 4: And what is code seven?
Speaker 3: Well, if you average that shit out, brother, what you
Speaker 3: mean if you average that ship out with the only
Speaker 3: two metrics we're gonna look at. We're not gonna look
Speaker 3: at who's more clutch, who plays better than winning time?
Speaker 4: We're not looking at none of that.
Speaker 3: Huh.
Speaker 4: We only we only like not winning the most clutch
Speaker 4: offensive players of all time?
Speaker 6: Bounty out once a week.
Speaker 3: Kobe getting that ship three times, and he will say,
Speaker 3: give me my bounty three times.
Speaker 2: Listen.
Speaker 4: So wait a minute, wait a minute, But you didn't
Speaker 4: ask that question to.
Speaker 2: Be honest, listen, Tom, to be honest, who's.
Speaker 4: A better tough shot maker? Kobe Bryant? I mean, have
Speaker 4: you seen who's the better clutch? Who's a better clutch player?
Speaker 3: Hold on, hold, I don't know. Have you seen the
Speaker 3: shit harder with shooting in his prime? It wasn't like
Speaker 3: it was easy, says Bro. The fucking weak ass step
Speaker 3: back to when he's flailing his legs out like a
Speaker 3: jellyfish to make me disrespect him, And I just said I.
Speaker 4: Won't do that.
Speaker 3: The fuck out of here, Warriors. You already tried early
Speaker 3: with that d way bullshit, fuck out of here. Put
Speaker 3: the fuck out of here, Thomas. I want you to
Speaker 3: go right now and shoot the motherfucking step back from
Speaker 3: fucking thirty feet AWAYNA player asked half the NBA to
Speaker 3: do it.
Speaker 4: They can't do it. He's shooting double step backs.
Speaker 2: Ge.
Speaker 3: That's not an easy I know. He make it look crazy.
Speaker 3: They need to do all that bullshit to get buckets.
Speaker 3: Fuck out of here.
Speaker 2: The week.
Speaker 4: He's all right, So who's the more efficient score?
Speaker 3: I'm not talking about and listen to my question.
Speaker 4: Listen to my question, everybody.
Speaker 3: I want everybody answer this when I say efficiency, But
Speaker 3: I'm not talking about numbers.
Speaker 4: I'm talking about.
Speaker 3: Moves to get a buck You're going with Kobe or Hard.
Speaker 2: I'm going with Kobe.
Speaker 4: It depends on what you want. Period.
Speaker 3: Hard got eighty fucking times before you can get a basket.
Speaker 3: Kobe five fucking pivots and spending ship and how many
Speaker 3: drugs did it take him to do it?
Speaker 4: A lot of?
Speaker 3: Actually, Oh my god, Now you're trying to rewrite history.
Speaker 4: So listen the funk out of here.
Speaker 3: Man. Now you're trying to rewrite history like beans one
Speaker 3: getting buckets from everyone on the floor. In every possible
Speaker 3: fucking way, and we I agree with you. I don't know,
Speaker 3: Jordy doesn't get buckets on the floor from everywhere and everything.
Speaker 4: Away got a mid range.
Speaker 3: Game, I'm not disagreeing, hardly got a post up game,
Speaker 3: Hardly gotta fade away, not like hardly got a hook.
Speaker 4: Shout, baby hook.
Speaker 2: Well, what about passing the ball?
Speaker 3: I don't give a funk about passing the ball? A
Speaker 3: question of Look at all these offs.
Speaker 2: We we agree that Lebron.
Speaker 3: James the greatest offensive basketball player ever played because he
Speaker 3: scored the most and he could pass out of here.
Speaker 7: One of Kobe's assists numbers looked like on bad teams
Speaker 7: in between the two championship Ron Terris.
Speaker 4: Six six assists.
Speaker 2: Look, I think this.
Speaker 6: He was dominating the ball at the.
Speaker 4: Four five five, basically like he for his career. He
Speaker 4: had his four point seven assists.
Speaker 7: I don't want his career. I want that window when
Speaker 7: he was on a bad team, commanding.
Speaker 3: Four five, six point five and five point five six,
Speaker 3: four point five, six seven, five point four. Those were
Speaker 3: the years where he had his highest assists numbers in
Speaker 3: his career. When he didn't have shot, his assists went
Speaker 3: up by almost one and a half to two a.
Speaker 4: Game, and Hard was averaging eleven.
Speaker 3: They were scoring ninety seven fucking points back then. Okay,
Speaker 3: how many like you also got to think about this?
Speaker 3: I have an opportunity because of the way to get
Speaker 3: the NBA offense is set up to just fucking run
Speaker 3: up numbers because they.
Speaker 4: Score the ball.
Speaker 3: He can also just really pass the ball game scores
Speaker 3: in two thousand and four, two thousand and five, two
Speaker 3: thousand and six, two thousand and seven. Now we're doing now, halloway,
Speaker 3: Now we're doing this Halloway time. I'm I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: let you do this because now you sound like me
Speaker 3: when we talking about Luca and bron first year, because.
Speaker 4: I'd have done the same ship with you, and you
Speaker 4: won't let me do it. No, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 3: We want to know why you can't do that to me,
Speaker 3: because it ain't fucking stopped.
Speaker 4: It's faded. It's only went up more and more and
Speaker 4: more and more and more and more and more, so
Speaker 4: that Broun should go up more and more and more
Speaker 4: and more and more with very clearly peaked. He's very
Speaker 4: clearly peaked, alright, bro. He may clearly had a peak. Alright,
Speaker 4: bro Lebron, he didn't have a peak. Of course he
Speaker 4: had a peak. Okay, So with.
Speaker 3: Talking about Luca's peaking, Louke ain't even twenty five yet.
Speaker 2: I don't mean he played.
Speaker 1: It's not about your age as much as how much
Speaker 1: basketball you played. It ain't like he's getting better shaped
Speaker 1: to last longer.
Speaker 3: And everybody was saying all this ship about Lebron too.
Speaker 3: He ain't gonna last. He's not gonna last. He's not
Speaker 3: gonna last twenty fucking years later. Yeah, but I don't
Speaker 3: tell me what Luca is doing to physically expect himself
Speaker 3: other than playing.
Speaker 6: Hurt Lucas that much. Style of playing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no way, the style of playing.
Speaker 3: He just gotta stop smoking cigarettes and drinking because that's
Speaker 3: what he loves to do. I'm dead ass. He smokes
Speaker 3: zarets and he drinks a lot. That's why he's overweight.
Speaker 6: Out of the trash.
Speaker 3: Speaking of calaries, I don't think about all the calories.
Speaker 3: He probably justed drinking beers and alcohol also the last
Speaker 3: twenty years. He also just doesn't even because because he
Speaker 3: got a very specific old white man type of body. Well,
Speaker 3: regardless of his physical powers, disappearing. I believe he will
Speaker 3: still have a superior level of skill that will always
Speaker 3: allow him to be a guy that can get you
Speaker 3: twenty points, eight rebounds and eight assist to night. Just
Speaker 3: we were talking about players, Luca is better than harder
Speaker 3: than me.
Speaker 4: We have to stop far. He's only played five years.
Speaker 4: We got four years only the first team. We gotta stopped.
Speaker 2: We gotta stopped so doing for a couple of years.
Speaker 2: You just sold us out.
Speaker 4: He just went to a finals? Did fucking Harden taking
Speaker 4: team to the finals? Did hard to take a team
Speaker 4: to the final? Well, you have to play the Warriors?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 2: Did did?
Speaker 6: And then there were three?
Speaker 4: And did?
Speaker 2: And did?
Speaker 6: Did the Survivor podcast?
Speaker 2: Or did Luca play with somebody who had won a championship?
Speaker 4: Got too as well? He did play with Kyrie Iervan.
Speaker 2: He didn't go there before Kyrie Irving.
Speaker 4: He lost to the Warriors before.
Speaker 3: Excuse for James Harden, I'm saying he didn't play with
Speaker 3: somebody that won a championship.
Speaker 2: He played with Dwight Howard.
Speaker 3: Dwight Havenard been to the championship championship eighty years. Not
Speaker 3: then the White They go to the championship because of
Speaker 3: the white Howard. But you said he's he's, he's, he's
Speaker 3: one of the goats. He came up lift nobody.
Speaker 2: But he's just older.
Speaker 4: Luca twenty five on bat on his knee bleeding every.
Speaker 1: Day and they made in the finals. How young the
Speaker 1: like NBA final champion Kyrie Irving is.
Speaker 4: Kyrie? Ain't he thirty?
Speaker 7: Now?
Speaker 4: That's my fucking boy, Yeah, prime Kyrie no more. He's
Speaker 4: pretty goddamn good.
Speaker 3: He was dog sitting in the fucking playoffs and we
Speaker 3: all know in cup trying to rack last year, this
Speaker 3: fucking ye didn't happen.
Speaker 4: He wasn't.
Speaker 8: It wasn't playoffs, bro, he won dog sit in the
Speaker 8: finals and in the Western final he got he had
Speaker 8: he had hell in the final, all right.
Speaker 4: Brow right, he was dog sitting in the final.
Speaker 2: Luca and him had held in the final.
Speaker 4: He was no, he was dogs was great.
Speaker 3: Hell, Kyrie shot like thirty percent of the shoot twenty
Speaker 3: percent for three.
Speaker 4: What did lucas shooting the finals? I don't remember it.
Speaker 4: You didn't shoot it?
Speaker 2: When when he look, are you fucking kidding me? Even matter?
Speaker 4: God?
Speaker 3: Damn hoops and Loo jumped through for James Harden like
Speaker 3: some fucking goddamn magnanimous winners. Again again, I'm sorry, Hardened,
Speaker 3: as I said, I didn't want to disrespect you, but
Speaker 3: we got.
Speaker 4: To stop it with this. But again we're just talking
Speaker 4: about offense. The totality of offering Luca is better.
Speaker 3: We can make an argument is better. He's better, and
Speaker 3: he ain't even in his prime yet, He's just he's
Speaker 3: you're not in his prime. The paving you're the main
Speaker 3: person told me people going to the prime between you
Speaker 3: when they twenty seven.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think he didn't want to rewipe. No, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: get worse.
Speaker 2: It's not, it's not every person.
Speaker 4: Also just getting worse. He just made the fucking NBA finals.
Speaker 2: Get worse because he's playing with Kyrie Irving.
Speaker 3: Also, hold on, lor NBA player won a championship without
Speaker 3: an other star in a Dirk the Whiskey, So.
Speaker 2: You missed he wasn't going without Kyrie Irving another champion.
Speaker 3: Also, I'm asking you what NBA player championship on his own.
Speaker 4: Chemological and arguably to say, honest argument, I'm fine with that.
Speaker 3: Three guys, one of those It's been seventy five years
Speaker 3: of fucking basketball. I was, I was actual going to
Speaker 3: say Bill one, three guys all time, Bill Warten, okay, four,
Speaker 3: what are we talking about.
Speaker 6: When Willis Reid came out for seven.
Speaker 4: Conversation because he can't take his team there? Listen, neither
Speaker 4: could neither could Luca.
Speaker 3: It got to the finals on t but also also
Speaker 3: real quick, what the best play the real quick? Actually no, actually,
Speaker 3: defense took the motherfuckers to the finals.
Speaker 4: The best player on the team, yes.
Speaker 2: But that was the that was he was the worst
Speaker 2: player defensively, bro I.
Speaker 4: Remember doing these pods doing the playoff run and.
Speaker 3: In the playoffs, yes, and I remember being like, yo,
Speaker 3: Lucas bawling, but what the fuck is this defense?
Speaker 4: Derrick Jones out that, like, goddamn Scottie Pippen, what are
Speaker 4: we doing?
Speaker 3: Kyrie was even garden people. Kyrie was even garden people.
Speaker 3: Bricks in them fucking moccasons.
Speaker 1: I feel the same way about people like like AI,
Speaker 1: where you have a number one defense and you have
Speaker 1: the number one defensive player and then the offensive player
Speaker 1: gets the credit. You know, I can't stand that I
Speaker 1: had everybody.
Speaker 3: Had every single award when rebounding not a part of defense. Glasses, Yes,
Speaker 3: it is so the man going out there and getting
Speaker 3: ten rebounds a night. I mean he wasn't playing no
Speaker 3: defense then, huh okay, I.
Speaker 1: Think he contributes the defense. I think he's still the
Speaker 1: worst defender on the team though.
Speaker 4: And so has James Harder been every fucking.
Speaker 2: Not playing that defend the Luca about four.
Speaker 4: Defender. He also lived. You want to talk about he
Speaker 4: played the Warriors the motherfuckers. No, he was exist for
Speaker 4: a reason. Who Harder in game six? That's not because
Speaker 4: of Harden whoarded him during them?
Speaker 3: Game six is when they was playing against hard after
Speaker 3: you because of the thunder k D and Russell Westbrook.
Speaker 3: So clan't go crazy in game six? No, No, that
Speaker 3: was both of them. Definitely three points in the second half.
Speaker 3: That was Steph and they both played great. No, they
Speaker 3: wasn't here, No, they wasn't. I don't remember she did
Speaker 3: against the Rockets. Because you fucking hate him, No, I don't, Yes,
Speaker 3: you do. We've been alruing about this fucking nine years and.
Speaker 4: I don't. That's why you never see nothing he does
Speaker 4: because you fucking hate him. Glasses. Can you tell me
Speaker 4: when Clay gave from the Rocket series?
Speaker 2: Any of them?
Speaker 3: What a clay game you remember is probably the thunder game.
Speaker 3: Even wait, even let's go back. Steph Curry slips on sweat,
Speaker 3: tears springs?
Speaker 4: Is m C the a C? When the Rockets was
Speaker 4: the a C? Where was? Where was the greatest offensive
Speaker 4: player of all time?
Speaker 3: Then when Coley Thompson came out and they sent them
Speaker 3: boys home in the first round with no Steph Curry,
Speaker 3: don't Steph Curry wasn't playing, where you fucking offensive? Goa?
Speaker 3: Then Kobe wouldn't let that ship slide. I probably tweeted
Speaker 3: that back then Kobe lost a three one league. Kobe
Speaker 3: wouldn't have let that ship slapbys Wan Curry slipping on
Speaker 3: that sweat Kobe.
Speaker 4: Like he did many times, many times we lost a
Speaker 4: three one lead to the Sons. All right, we all
Speaker 4: like listen.
Speaker 3: Ever since the man's untimely you know situation, we have
Speaker 3: started untimely death. You can say he died no direspect
Speaker 3: rp being, we have started to have revisionous history about
Speaker 3: some of these fucking Kobe, you gotta fucking stop. We
Speaker 3: were saying, people were saying the ship when it was happening.
Speaker 3: Everybody was saying, your fucking grace and then the man
Speaker 3: had to untimely death, and we have started to revisionize.
Speaker 4: No, we also have to stop. No, no, no, you
Speaker 4: have to also stop.
Speaker 3: He died so shortly after he retired, we haven't even
Speaker 3: really had a chance to put him in a proper
Speaker 3: context because he ain't been dead that long.
Speaker 2: What we knew he was no yeah, but still but
Speaker 2: still people.
Speaker 3: In terms of greatness and all time great and where
Speaker 3: we ranked people. It usually takes some time for that
Speaker 3: to happen. No, wrong, you know, let me can you
Speaker 3: let me finish?
Speaker 4: Finish?
Speaker 1: But I'm saying we kind of knew Kobe was the
Speaker 1: second best shooting guard back in twenty ten.
Speaker 7: People knew Michael was the best two guard of all
Speaker 7: time while he was playing.
Speaker 4: I understand it.
Speaker 3: But the only thing that time has done for Michael
Speaker 3: Jordan has proved has only proven that they were right.
Speaker 4: No, no, wait, are you let me finish my point?
Speaker 4: Then you can argue.
Speaker 3: My point is is that we grew up with Kobe.
Speaker 3: We grew up with Kobe me and you did not
Speaker 3: grow up with Mike. I grew up as a little
Speaker 3: kid seeing the end of Michael Jordan, But I grew
Speaker 3: up with Kobe. I knew he was great, but where
Speaker 3: I could put him all time, I couldn't really put
Speaker 3: him in any of them places, at any of them points,
Speaker 3: because a lot of the guys that still might have been.
Speaker 4: In contention for that were still playing here. He waited
Speaker 4: like Haarten.
Speaker 3: Now that time has passed, That time has passed, the
Speaker 3: second greatest shooting Guarden. Was never a time in life
Speaker 3: in which you even considered the Wing would have wrong
Speaker 3: off two or three championships versus the Warriors.
Speaker 4: It would have been a conversation he would be.
Speaker 3: You would have never known that because fucking Kobe died
Speaker 3: too soon, and we haven't had the real chance to
Speaker 3: even put it in proper perspective. It does, Yes, it does,
Speaker 3: even a guy like Chris Bosh being celebrated. He he
Speaker 3: theoretically would still being right now celebrated the way he
Speaker 3: should be celebrated.
Speaker 4: Bro, you don't know that. You don't know that. I
Speaker 4: know that you don't fun I kind of know that
Speaker 4: you don't know that.
Speaker 3: Because his career lasted nine years, Lash was one of
Speaker 3: the greatest pot for us of all time.
Speaker 4: Any he never got the chance to go past nine years.
Speaker 3: A twenty we still wouldn't think that I know that
Speaker 3: past years. You do not know that he's playing very well.
Speaker 3: After Lebron left, he was just dog because they sit
Speaker 3: salary captain had.
Speaker 2: Shit.
Speaker 3: They were a dogship team. They were not good stopping
Speaker 3: the heat. After Lebron was good.
Speaker 4: Thomas, Yes, Thomas, all right, Thomas were the same age.
Speaker 5: There's never a point in time in which you watched
Speaker 5: Chris Bosh play the game of basketball and thought he's
Speaker 5: one of the all time greates potfors of all time.
Speaker 4: You didn't think that, you thought he was good.
Speaker 3: How do you define all time grace. He's a Hall
Speaker 3: of Famer. He is one of the greatest power for
Speaker 3: us to ever played the game?
Speaker 4: Famous okay okay, okay, okay. Question, were watching Gianni's right now? Right?
Speaker 4: You think Joanna's one of the greds poper for ever played,
Speaker 4: don't you?
Speaker 3: Gianni is one of the greatest ten basketball players to
Speaker 3: ever pick up basketball?
Speaker 2: Exactly?
Speaker 3: But what does that mean you You never watched Chris
Speaker 3: Bosh and said he won the best fifteen twenty. You
Speaker 3: didn't say he's one of the best thirty people to
Speaker 3: pick up basketball because he's not a top thirty player.
Speaker 3: But I'm exactly but I'm confused at this argument.
Speaker 6: BRO.
Speaker 4: If he played longer, am I? If he played longer,
Speaker 4: don't fucking know what would have happened. That's my whole
Speaker 4: point point.
Speaker 3: So you can only go off what you saw, which
Speaker 3: was with them nine years and before he went to
Speaker 3: go stand in the corner like Lebron made Kevin Love,
Speaker 3: the man was out there averaging twenty and ten.
Speaker 4: My stop is this. My point is this, It don't
Speaker 4: take that long to recognize greatness. Bro.
Speaker 3: So you think if he won great Lebron would have
Speaker 3: hand picked him to go and play in Miami with him.
Speaker 6: He was, there's great available.
Speaker 4: It's not a great event.
Speaker 2: Here's here's here's a better You think.
Speaker 3: You think, you think any team and at that point
Speaker 3: didn't want Christmas question because they had him Duncan.
Speaker 6: One hundred and fiftieth best player in the.
Speaker 3: And it started wait wait wait wait wait, Dallas, you
Speaker 3: had you had Tim Duncan.
Speaker 4: Who was he was he?
Speaker 2: Where was he at at power forward ranking? In two
Speaker 2: thousand and ten he.
Speaker 4: Was a top five power forward?
Speaker 2: Is ever that's fair?
Speaker 3: He no, no, no, no, I'm talking about that year,
Speaker 3: next year that he had his ailment. He was a
Speaker 3: top five power forward in the league.
Speaker 4: Is he he was?
Speaker 3: The heat team just was not that great because he
Speaker 3: was definitely because they really weren't expecting Lebron to leave,
Speaker 3: and then when Lebron left, they didn't have anything left.
Speaker 3: He it was no, no, no, no, but Wade, but
Speaker 3: the Wave's miniscus was was really fucked up the last
Speaker 3: six years of his career, and it kind of started
Speaker 3: and it kind of started in the last championship run.
Speaker 2: Who were the five power forwards at that point on
Speaker 2: that team question?
Speaker 1: Tweets doesn't better than Kevin Garnet, and he wasn't better
Speaker 1: than Pagosat in.
Speaker 4: Twenty ten and twenty ten.
Speaker 3: Okay, Tim Duncan Dirk nowhiskey Palgasol, Kevin Garnet, the why
Speaker 3: and and and Tim Dunnan.
Speaker 4: So actually, no, he wasn't in twenty ten.
Speaker 7: No, he wasn't.
Speaker 2: So that just solved y'all problem.
Speaker 4: I'm confused. I'm saying wasn't.
Speaker 7: There's a limit to how many you can put in
Speaker 7: the top five.
Speaker 4: That's clear it up.
Speaker 3: And I apologize, but I still think he was better
Speaker 3: than KG in twenty ten. Like KG first two years
Speaker 3: on the Celtics was fired. After that, it was like,
Speaker 3: madness is mister madness, I'm dead ass.
Speaker 4: KG played nine years too long.
Speaker 2: To me, he has never in his life been better than.
Speaker 7: I did.
Speaker 4: Play too long, nine years too long. Yeah, but twenty
Speaker 4: ten it wasn't part of the it was it was
Speaker 4: it was. It was at the end of the peak.
Speaker 4: Do you think that Boston team going to the finals
Speaker 4: with Chris Boss.
Speaker 3: No, they say had Paul Pearson. Reality, yeah, you lost
Speaker 3: and they had Rondo and they had they was.
Speaker 4: One of the deepest teams in the league. You lost
Speaker 4: your they won fifty games that year. You're telling me, Yeah, that's.
Speaker 3: Too Amari, Yeah, Amari went better than KG. No, fuck,
Speaker 3: he won better than Amari. You come on, bro, No,
Speaker 3: no wait wait wait no, no, actually no, Actually that's
Speaker 3: not crazy because I think by then O Mario had
Speaker 3: already went to the Knicks.
Speaker 4: No, that was actually his best, his last and his
Speaker 4: best season in Phoenix.
Speaker 1: So again I'm saying to you, it's not crazy to
Speaker 1: think James Harden could be a better offensive player than
Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant.
Speaker 2: Not a better score, a better offensive player.
Speaker 4: Not a better player, just a better offensive player.
Speaker 3: I think, and y'all defining it by the most vague
Speaker 3: and simplest of of metrics, and I just don't like that.
Speaker 3: If that's the case, James Harden is a great offensive
Speaker 3: player than Magic Johnson. No, yeah, Magic Johnson is a
Speaker 3: level Magic Johnson is a level what score glasses?
Speaker 2: I don't know either.
Speaker 4: Nine, and he's a level what as a passer? Fifteen? Okay,
Speaker 4: So Harden is a what is a score?
Speaker 2: Probably eight? Nine, he's a.
Speaker 3: Nine bro out of ten And you're telling me he's
Speaker 3: just he's I don't I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think James Harden wins MVPs because of his scoring.
Speaker 1: I think James Harden wins MVPs because of his combination
Speaker 1: of passing and scoring.
Speaker 3: So again back to the metric, because that you asked
Speaker 3: me earlier. So his scoring is what out of ten?
Speaker 4: I think?
Speaker 2: I think Magic Johnson And this time I'm not in
Speaker 2: his time, twenty points a game was a lot. It's
Speaker 2: a lot. It's a lot of points.
Speaker 4: And then he also had thirty five.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's pouring on points in the eighties, seven
Speaker 2: thousand million in scoring, So.
Speaker 3: He's a what then, so he said he had twelve
Speaker 3: as a passer, a nine as a nine as a score,
Speaker 3: So that's what a twenty one rebounder. No, we know
Speaker 3: you didn't mention rebounding earlier we were having this conversation, so.
Speaker 4: We don't talk abou rebound in the rebound. We're talking
Speaker 4: about offense. If we add rebounded.
Speaker 2: Was getting not a better offensive player than Magic Johnson?
Speaker 2: Of course he's not.
Speaker 4: By your metrics, I think he is.
Speaker 2: No, he's not, because he would be sure he'd be
Speaker 2: short the only.
Speaker 3: Place he would just be a because because Magic would
Speaker 3: be a nine as a score and a ten. If
Speaker 3: that's the maximum regarded to me, is a nine point
Speaker 3: seventy five as a score and a and a nine
Speaker 3: point five as a passer.
Speaker 4: Yes, he's better than Magic Johnson.
Speaker 2: No, it's not.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is, by your metrics, it is.
Speaker 1: And then you have to count into rebounds. My man's
Speaker 1: wanted to create. My man is a great offensive rebounding
Speaker 1: four point.
Speaker 4: Guard harder than don't get offensive.
Speaker 2: Rebounds, No, he don't. He's good on a break, he
Speaker 2: ain't get on offense.
Speaker 4: He don't get Kobey didn't get offensive rebounds.
Speaker 2: Not really, not the way you would think No, No,
Speaker 2: he's shot too much. He was far away from the basket.
Speaker 2: Ask good. So no, it's just level.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, it's not crazy to think James Harden is
Speaker 1: a better offensive player than Kobe.
Speaker 2: Is he a better score to Kobe? On no planet?
Speaker 2: On no planet.
Speaker 1: There's not a shot on the court that I would
Speaker 1: prefer James Harden to take instead of Kobe Bryant, period,
Speaker 1: Not at three, not at the cup, not at nothing.
Speaker 1: But because offense is so much more than scoring the ball,
Speaker 1: and when you start to include those factors, it's pretty good.
Speaker 2: It's pretty good.
Speaker 3: Tom.
Speaker 2: If you had to get a pass that you needed,
Speaker 2: who do you want to make that pass?
Speaker 3: It depends it is Kobe being triple team the quadruple
Speaker 3: team right now, or is he playing one on one?
Speaker 3: He not gonna pass that, motherfucker. I gotta But you
Speaker 3: know what, I've got a better chance of scoring if
Speaker 3: he does.
Speaker 7: There four seconds the shot clock that we can that.
Speaker 2: We can use.
Speaker 4: Can we act like Kobe didn't dribble the fuck out
Speaker 4: the ball, not like Harden.
Speaker 2: Nobody dribble like Harden.
Speaker 5: I agree, nobody dripped like Harden, But like, why do
Speaker 5: we act like Kobe was just like, oh, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't have any.
Speaker 7: Because the entire point hinges on the cost of Harden.
Speaker 7: That's the whole point of this conversation.
Speaker 1: So we don't all agree that James Harden is a
Speaker 1: better offensive player than Kobe Bryant.
Speaker 6: No, not exceed his relative cost to the rest of
Speaker 6: the floor.
Speaker 4: Thank you. I wish we had a funk flex bomb
Speaker 4: losing his mine right now. I don't. I can't deny.
Speaker 3: Listen, I'm not I'm not saying it's a definite. I'm
Speaker 3: not saying it's a certain thing. But you can't deny
Speaker 3: it's a legitimate question.
Speaker 7: It is.
Speaker 4: It is a legitimate question. You can legit have the conversation.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying it's a definite. I just did have
Speaker 4: you Yeah we did, but but yeah, it happened. It
Speaker 4: did happen.
Speaker 1: I do think James Harden is one of those talents
Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about for years about how great
Speaker 1: he could have been and how great was he.
Speaker 4: I agree, I think many years he'll get disrespected about
Speaker 4: a lot of people.
Speaker 1: Right now, I don't think he'll get disrespected. I think
Speaker 1: he'll get heralded.
Speaker 6: What do you think could have been looks like, what
Speaker 6: does that mean? I mean could have been?
Speaker 1: If what Listen, It's only so many offensive talents in
Speaker 1: the NBA that you can add other offensive players and
Speaker 1: make a championship offensive team.
Speaker 2: There's only a handful of players. Magic 's not one
Speaker 2: of them.
Speaker 4: I agree, I agree, But you know who is Lucas.
Speaker 4: You just saw him take a team to the championship
Speaker 4: and lewis only.
Speaker 1: A handful of talents, Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan. It's only
Speaker 1: a handful of talents that that would work with.
Speaker 3: No, you need defense for Dennis ron You want to
Speaker 3: say Michael Jordan's I mean you said he you said
Speaker 3: his offensive rebound that makes him a better power forward
Speaker 3: than most players, So you.
Speaker 2: Need that everybody not named him.
Speaker 3: Duncan setting I mean setting screens and getting offensive rebounds
Speaker 3: is I mean it's kept Draymond Green woofully employed.
Speaker 1: You don't got to Dennis Robbin is better than every
Speaker 1: power forward not named Tim Duncan got a greater, great
Speaker 1: NBA career.
Speaker 2: You already know why.
Speaker 4: He's not.
Speaker 2: Got a long way to go. You gott work is
Speaker 2: the third.
Speaker 4: He's not better than Jannis through one quarter all.
Speaker 2: Right, Johnes couldn't get nowhere near the stops.
Speaker 4: A lot.
Speaker 2: I agree, but that's but that's what.
Speaker 3: There's like a million things that Jannie can do that
Speaker 3: Robin can't do. Actually, the only the only thing Robin
Speaker 3: can do that Yiannis can't do is have the highest
Speaker 3: motor in NBA history.
Speaker 4: It's not Robb used to go and runs and Timberland's
Speaker 4: after the game.
Speaker 2: Even was tasked with rebound. He couldn't rebound as well.
Speaker 6: With the Pistons.
Speaker 2: No, not, he was a three. Yeah, but he's a
Speaker 2: true for.
Speaker 6: Listen, rob that's an interesting pair of sentences.
Speaker 1: Only thing I think the only thing Giannis clearly does
Speaker 1: better than Robbin is score the ball.
Speaker 4: No, he's a better reportator.
Speaker 3: Robin wasn't a big shot way better passer to infinitely
Speaker 3: better passes, infinitely better ball hand better pass know.
Speaker 7: Those those outlet passes from the knees.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's not true. Yeah, that's not true.
Speaker 3: I think he has he has more sense, but he's
Speaker 3: not a better passers. Played point guard for a season.
Speaker 3: What are we talking about?
Speaker 2: Scoring? Power forward, scoring stops. Time it's over. He's not
Speaker 2: better at anything else. You gotta stop this I'm not
Speaker 2: going so if you need to a better shot blocker,
Speaker 2: than it's not about a shot. If you needed to stop,
Speaker 2: you will.
Speaker 1: Asking you about who's the better You're trying to break
Speaker 1: defense down into particular fashions.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you who's the better defender.
Speaker 1: Stop?
Speaker 2: If you need to stop, you're gonna go Yiannis or
Speaker 2: rob Me.
Speaker 1: In Tom, I'm gonna go Rob Pete. You're gonna go
Speaker 1: rob Me or Jannis. If you need one stop to
Speaker 1: win the.
Speaker 2: Game, I'm going with now again.
Speaker 1: If I need a basket, if I need offense, if
Speaker 1: I need a score, I'm going to go with Yannis.
Speaker 2: But guess what if I need a offensive rebound, guess
Speaker 2: who I'm gonna go.
Speaker 4: We go rob me.
Speaker 2: Again. That you know what, That's what we will pick
Speaker 2: up on our lives with.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have that conversation with different people. If who's
Speaker 1: a better offensive player. So as this in the comments,
Speaker 1: who's a better offensive player James Harden, James Harden or
Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant offensive player?
Speaker 4: When y'all hear his.
Speaker 2: Offensive player only offensive.
Speaker 7: Player, your LA fan base is going to ninety five
Speaker 7: to five this split for sure. But that is a
Speaker 7: religious cult Angelinos and Co and Kobe Bryant fandom are
Speaker 7: Harry Christnas for Christ's sake.
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