WEBVTT - Ep. 176: Phil's First Hunt, Part 1

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<v Speaker 1>Clean your Gun Jr. Bow Where the Uncollective show Colin

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<v Speaker 1>Hunters new and all uncollective show with thanks or fancs

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<v Speaker 1>and opinions are subjective. You're listening to the Collecting. Everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the pen ultimate episode of The Hunting Collective.

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<v Speaker 1>I am as always been O'Brien and I'm joined in

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<v Speaker 1>studio by Phil t engineer Phil. How are you, sir?

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody knows that the pen ultimate episode is usually one

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<v Speaker 1>of the best of a TV show, like a series

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<v Speaker 1>or a season. Um, we'll see if that's the case here,

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<v Speaker 1>you'd never know. It could be the second the best

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<v Speaker 1>episode ever of this program right out. So strap in.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you're in a place where there's

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<v Speaker 1>any straps around, but get one and strap yourself to

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<v Speaker 1>wherever you're sitting. I don't know, you know, don't move

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<v Speaker 1>and lock in because you're about to get You're about

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<v Speaker 1>to get regaled with one of light like one of

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<v Speaker 1>the nation's most riveting coming of age tales, and that

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<v Speaker 1>is the tale of Filthy Engineers First Turkey Hunt. It's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be I will say this, and I say much

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<v Speaker 1>about what happens, other than to say it's a two parter.

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<v Speaker 1>There are two parts. This is of course the first

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<v Speaker 1>of two parts, and we will reveal at some point

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<v Speaker 1>along the way whether Phil killed a turkey or not.

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<v Speaker 1>But more importantly than that, a few days back, I

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<v Speaker 1>shared a photo of Phil the Engineer on Instagram and

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook where he was holding his turkey target. Now we'll

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<v Speaker 1>get to what happened. How that turkey. It came to

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<v Speaker 1>be full of tiny little holes. But Phil, the reaction

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<v Speaker 1>was broad and it was interesting. People, you're a hero,

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<v Speaker 1>you are an inspiration. People love you. Hundreds of comments

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<v Speaker 1>poured in from across the world. They the globe. People

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<v Speaker 1>love it. Man greatest, somebody's the greatest character arc of

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<v Speaker 1>all time. Phil is way less of a nerd than

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<v Speaker 1>I originally anticipated. Still stoked on him, though, hashtag legend.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never I've never wanted someone I've never meant to

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<v Speaker 1>shoot a turkey more than I want Phil to shoot

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<v Speaker 1>a turkey. Good luck. Don't forget the t P Phil,

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<v Speaker 1>just in case. It's a good poop callback. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>really is. It's a good it's a good call back

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<v Speaker 1>to the show. A lot of good lucks, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of yeah boys, a lot of people talking about how

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<v Speaker 1>you looked. Ah, what do you think about hundreds of

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<v Speaker 1>people commenting on your looks as opposed to your voice

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<v Speaker 1>because we did the voice face contest back in the infancy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>of th HC. I totally understand the fascination because I've

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<v Speaker 1>had the same experience. Yeah. Yeah, you you listen to

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<v Speaker 1>a radio show or a podcast, and you haven't You

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<v Speaker 1>just build up an image of somebody in your head

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<v Speaker 1>and then you actually see them, and it's usually disappointing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's This guy says, Phil looks like Steve and Yanni

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<v Speaker 1>are his dad's. That was a good one, and I

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<v Speaker 1>see it. I kind of see it. Phil looks a

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<v Speaker 1>lot less nerdy than I imagine. That's a compliment. I

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<v Speaker 1>imagine Phil is some nerdy early thirties chubby ginger with

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<v Speaker 1>a beard. Do you think about that? I mean, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>I'm offended for chubby gingers everywhere on their behalf. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, nothing wrong with the chubby ginger support for

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<v Speaker 1>those folks. So there there's a lot of people. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>This guy says, this is the first picture I've ever

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<v Speaker 1>seen of Phil. Phil is not the character I drow

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<v Speaker 1>up in my head. Well, people actually drew you up,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't think you look like what they drew

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<v Speaker 1>the whole point of it. My favorite comment um was

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<v Speaker 1>something along the lines of Phil looks less masculine than

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<v Speaker 1>he sounds, and he doesn't sound very masculine. This guy said,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll take it. He is like a small infant child,

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<v Speaker 1>sweet boy. I hope he has fun in his first

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<v Speaker 1>first time out. So thanks for all those comments. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I I could go on because there is hundreds of them.

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<v Speaker 1>People from across the country sent us d m s.

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<v Speaker 1>They sent us emails to t ac the meter to

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<v Speaker 1>have wasting you well and hoping that you would get

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<v Speaker 1>a turkey. So this is by far other than I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. I think this is by far the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>thing we've done as a podcast, and that that it's

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<v Speaker 1>the last thing we'll ever do, so why not be

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest. People are into it, Phil, People they want it.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you feel the pressure? I can feel it, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's surprisingly not weighing on me as much as I

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<v Speaker 1>thought I would. Know you were pretty I'm kind of

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<v Speaker 1>brushing it off. Excuse me, I'm kind of brushing it off,

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't mean that. I don't mean that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>brushing off the compliments as well. I hear all the

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<v Speaker 1>compliments and it's it's I want to thank you, yeah, um,

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<v Speaker 1>because I I am. I am glad you're invested in

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<v Speaker 1>my in my in my arc, in your character, but

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<v Speaker 1>the greatest character arc of all time, which is essentially

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<v Speaker 1>just hey, Phil, have you ever gone hunting? Nope, We're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna take you hunting. And that was the ark. But

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<v Speaker 1>people love it. Yeah, well that's it. If you stretch

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<v Speaker 1>any small storyline now for two years, it seems like

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<v Speaker 1>an epic tale. Exactly where we are now. We got

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<v Speaker 1>a message from our friend Eric Hall. He had something

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<v Speaker 1>to say to say something or signing of failt Engineering

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<v Speaker 1>on Facebook that what's not a big siding? Yes, very rare,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't see it often. His numbers going up. So

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<v Speaker 1>looking forward to Field Turkey Hunt, the last two shows

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<v Speaker 1>coming up. There kind of a build up to feel

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<v Speaker 1>a Turkey Hunt being the last show. Yeah, that's it,

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<v Speaker 1>He's right, The man is right, Yes, siting a filthy

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<v Speaker 1>engineer like the big Foot, the lore of old Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>you'll will once are the show is over. Your your

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<v Speaker 1>legend will continue and people will continue to see you

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<v Speaker 1>in places where you don't exist or maybe I will

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<v Speaker 1>just retreat to the woods. Yeah, and a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>check exactly, grow a beard, yeah, grow skip pop, we

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<v Speaker 1>stashould come back. So let's let's lay out, Phil, what

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna do here. Uh, we have it. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of work to tell this story. And again,

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<v Speaker 1>as we mentioned, quite the build up. So we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to tell the story and its totality. We're going to

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<v Speaker 1>lean into a linear tale of one man and another

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<v Speaker 1>man and a truck in the Turkey hun and yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say, like in some decoy and some

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<v Speaker 1>decoys we could just list there in your truck, a

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<v Speaker 1>cup of coffee. We're gonna lean into. We're gonna tell

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<v Speaker 1>you the whole story, and we're just on a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit different Phil and I have decided that we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to play our audio and and and do some color

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<v Speaker 1>commentary of what was happening at the time was happening. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna do some live commentary with some probably minimal

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<v Speaker 1>editing from me. I'm gonna I'm talking about I'm thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about future me right now, several hours from now when

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<v Speaker 1>I sit down edit this podcast. I don't know, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think I'm gonna do a lot of editing. We're

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<v Speaker 1>just gonna do it kind of on the fly here, yep.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you don't like it, cancel us, get rid

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<v Speaker 1>of us. It doesn't matter. We do whatever we want.

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<v Speaker 1>At this point, we get the worst thing could happen

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<v Speaker 1>has already happened. And so we're pretty much flying by

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<v Speaker 1>the seat of our paints that we're weren't already before.

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<v Speaker 1>As I've been saying, what kind of building a roller

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<v Speaker 1>coaster while we're riding it? So this is this, this

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<v Speaker 1>is Phil's first hunt hashtag if you're going to post

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<v Speaker 1>about this online hashtag Phil's first bird, okay? Is that

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<v Speaker 1>it was that the final hashtag on landed on Phil's

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<v Speaker 1>first bird? Okay? Because I think you've gone through several

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<v Speaker 1>of this. Have you seen the video that I took

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<v Speaker 1>a slow a video of you jumping over Yes, I

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<v Speaker 1>saw it before I came over here today. What do

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<v Speaker 1>you do you have any of ficial comments about it?

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<v Speaker 1>I look fantastic. I mean a lot of people, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people love it, dude, A lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>are into it. Do you want to tell us a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit about your strategy while jumping over this My

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<v Speaker 1>first strategy was watching you so I can learn from

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<v Speaker 1>your mistakes. And you you shorted it barely. I put

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<v Speaker 1>a foot in the wall. Yeah, there was a foot

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<v Speaker 1>in the water. If if, if you guys aren't haven't

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<v Speaker 1>seen you gotta go to my Instagram. But any of

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<v Speaker 1>B three or when I took a slow mo video

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<v Speaker 1>of Phil leaping majestically in his new shnays boots, which

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<v Speaker 1>we'll get to, yes, over this ditch that had filled

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<v Speaker 1>with some runoff, so it's full of water, and at

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<v Speaker 1>first Phil didn't know if he could make it over

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<v Speaker 1>the dish, and I said, well, let me jump over

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<v Speaker 1>first and then film you in slow moo for posting

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<v Speaker 1>online later. So that's what we did, and it is

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<v Speaker 1>it's pretty majestic, uh people. One guy said, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>watching poetry. Such grace. I can't disagree. How are your

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<v Speaker 1>a c L s feeling? Somebody wants to know My

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<v Speaker 1>legs feel great to show you how how not in

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<v Speaker 1>shape I am? I think I actually overextended my arm, somebody.

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<v Speaker 1>My arm was sore for like a half hour after

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<v Speaker 1>I made that jump. Somehow, don't know how, but that's

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<v Speaker 1>how my body works, all right. Well, All the highlights

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<v Speaker 1>from the hunt are going to be on my Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>as you listen to this, they'll be there video B

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<v Speaker 1>three oh one on Instagram, So you could see some

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<v Speaker 1>of the visual highlights. But we have the audio highlights

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<v Speaker 1>of this hunt. And let me just tell you a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of stuff happened. A lot of things have happened,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're gonna lay them out over the next two episodes,

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<v Speaker 1>the final two episodes th HC. And I can't wait

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<v Speaker 1>for you to see how it ends. Okay, Phil, you're

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<v Speaker 1>ready to go, let's do it. Here we go. Now

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<v Speaker 1>play some sort of awesome intro music right here. I

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<v Speaker 1>believe in the Turkey and uh so we struck out.

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<v Speaker 1>First thing we had to do was we had to

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<v Speaker 1>strike out too what we'll call site in the shotgun,

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<v Speaker 1>to pattern this shotgun. The weather be eighteen I that

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<v Speaker 1>we had selected fulfilled for his first hunt. We went

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<v Speaker 1>out to some local public land to site in this shotgun. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>what happened on the way there is I think emblematic

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<v Speaker 1>of this entire story. We didn't really get this on

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<v Speaker 1>video or audio, but we're driving up a gravel road

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<v Speaker 1>to this kind of what we'll call a public land

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<v Speaker 1>shooting range close to to to my domicile here, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're driving past a set of homes and there's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a rancher style home tucked in this little you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the bosom of this litwer ridge. And in the yard

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<v Speaker 1>is many things. Many things are there, rusty farm implements.

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<v Speaker 1>There was chickens, a few chickens. It was not unlike

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<v Speaker 1>some some places a hobbit would live. It was like

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<v Speaker 1>tucked into a hillside, it really was, with a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of just animals and random stuff scattered, gentle smoke coming

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<v Speaker 1>from the chimney um. And there in the yard was

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<v Speaker 1>a turkey. First first first turkey sighting as a as

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<v Speaker 1>a part of Phil's first hunt hashtag hashtag Phills first bird.

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<v Speaker 1>The first turkey we saw was really emblematic of the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of our journey. Let me try to describe this

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<v Speaker 1>turkey to you, Phil, and you help me out here

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm getting this wrong. This turkey. First picture some

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<v Speaker 1>sort of goblin from the depths of Hades, and then

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<v Speaker 1>a turkey, and then mix those two things together and

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<v Speaker 1>that's what you get. This turkey could barely walk. It

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<v Speaker 1>had maybe six or seven of its tail feathers. It

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<v Speaker 1>could barely. It was. It was shaking uncontrollably. Its head

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<v Speaker 1>was like the size of a cantalope. And it was

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of like wandering around this yard like a

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<v Speaker 1>zombie were somehow, but somehow it was. But it was

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<v Speaker 1>walking like it could barely. Yes, if I had just

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<v Speaker 1>punted it in the cloaka, it looked like it just

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<v Speaker 1>it was in massive amounts of pain. It had like

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<v Speaker 1>gyrating wing feathers, like a palsy of some kind. I'd

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<v Speaker 1>like to think this turkey has had seen better days

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<v Speaker 1>earlier in its life. I hope so. I hope it did,

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<v Speaker 1>because it was. It was infirmed in a way that

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<v Speaker 1>I've never seen any any wildly creature in my life,

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<v Speaker 1>but we it was. It was. It was almost like

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<v Speaker 1>a sign that this was going to be weird. But

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<v Speaker 1>this tale, this coming of age tail, was just gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be strange, and there's not a whole lot we can

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<v Speaker 1>do about it. I've never seen a turkey like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I got out my call, I hit the diagram a

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<v Speaker 1>few times, and it let out this sad, dust filled

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<v Speaker 1>gobble that could only be described as depressing. You could

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<v Speaker 1>barely hear it and it was only ten yards away

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<v Speaker 1>from the truck. So wherever that turkey is today, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's probably right under that same tree he was. It

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<v Speaker 1>is now the mascot for this whole two episode run.

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<v Speaker 1>Sad as a mascot though it maybe you know, r

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<v Speaker 1>I p that turkey because it's gonna die soon. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean it's probably from natural causes or unnatural causes. I

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<v Speaker 1>was looking around for like a power plant, a nuclear

0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:26.960
<v Speaker 1>power plant, share like some some neon news was coming

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<v Speaker 1>out of a pipe, and it was the turkey was

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<v Speaker 1>eating it. There's this thing wearing an eye patch, like

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't been shanked by one of these other turkeys. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>never forget it as long as when I closed my

0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:41.960
<v Speaker 1>eyes just now I can see it. I can see

0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:47.720
<v Speaker 1>its face staring into my face. Um. Anyway, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even think it had a beard. It was

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<v Speaker 1>just it was a grotesque. It was just grotesque. So

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<v Speaker 1>right into THHC at the Mediator dot com and name

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<v Speaker 1>that turkey Skippy mc no beard, whatever you want to

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<v Speaker 1>name that turkey, but he will be the mascot for

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<v Speaker 1>the rest. We'll go back and give video because here

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<v Speaker 1>he couldn't go far like physically he couldn't. He's there,

0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:13.400
<v Speaker 1>he's got to think he roos in it. He can't

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<v Speaker 1>fly up in a tree. He just lays down on

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<v Speaker 1>the ground when he goes to sleep, just lays on

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<v Speaker 1>the ground. Sayway, that's that's kind of my first and

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<v Speaker 1>most searing memory from our journey, Phil, Yeah, was that

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<v Speaker 1>we uh it was an omen an omen from the

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<v Speaker 1>Turkey gods to watch the funk out. She was about

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<v Speaker 1>to get western, Okay, and what happened after that it

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<v Speaker 1>was completely unbelievable. No one would believe it, but you're

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<v Speaker 1>about to hear it. So we moved past this mutant

0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:51.400
<v Speaker 1>Turkey and shocked in all you know, kind of twitter

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<v Speaker 1>painted a little bit, and I we move up to

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<v Speaker 1>the shooting range. And the shooting range portion of this

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<v Speaker 1>certainly was all about education, right Phil. Yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>I I had never fired a shotgun before, so this

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<v Speaker 1>was Yeah, this was it. So we get out there

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<v Speaker 1>and we are preparing and I need to go through

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<v Speaker 1>what the gun is, what it does. Imagine your thirty

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<v Speaker 1>two three my age, Yeah, thirty, I am thirty thirty. Yeah,

0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:21.520
<v Speaker 1>I got it right on the first try. You're thirty,

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<v Speaker 1>Your three year old man, you've done a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>things your life, but you've never shot shotgun, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>pulled the trigger. I got very into air soft in

0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:33.840
<v Speaker 1>high schools. As far as that's as far as I got.

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<v Speaker 1>I met, not yesterday or well yesterday, a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>days ago, I met a fellow that had never tried pineapple.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never had pineapple. To watch this human, this full

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<v Speaker 1>grown adult human, eat this pineapple's amazing. So this is

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<v Speaker 1>a lot what it was like for Phil. And so

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<v Speaker 1>we get out there and um, I want to say,

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<v Speaker 1>hilarity ensues, but it was pretty normal. And so here's

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<v Speaker 1>here's me teach and Phil a little bit about the shotgun. Okay, Phil,

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<v Speaker 1>are you ready, sir? Yes, I've had my my ice coffee.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, you've had your This is the this is

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<v Speaker 1>what most people at the range do. They talk about

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<v Speaker 1>their caffeinated beverages. Any anything, you want? Any questions before

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<v Speaker 1>I go through the shotgun and task here? Uh not yet. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm ready to learn. I have some more Turkey

0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:28.600
<v Speaker 1>specific questions for later, but right now I think I

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<v Speaker 1>just need to like hold a gun in my hands.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably all right, Well, here's the gun here. So this

0:17:37.440 --> 0:17:41.320
<v Speaker 1>is a weather B eighteen. It's a semi drun. We

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<v Speaker 1>gotta be honest. It was very windy. So we went

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<v Speaker 1>into my truck and I didn't actually have the shotgun. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I was my man the whole time, so just let's

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<v Speaker 1>just keep going. It was sad. Uh. This thing that,

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<v Speaker 1>this big piece in the back is the whole thing

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<v Speaker 1>is the stock, Yes, a big silly And there's a

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<v Speaker 1>recoil pad on that that helps to to cushion that

0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:15.960
<v Speaker 1>recoil that you're gonna feel from the I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 1>be the expert of experts here. I'm super worried that

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<v Speaker 1>people we'll think that I don't know what I'm talking about. Yeah,

0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:25.640
<v Speaker 1>so you're you're going over every little part of the gun. Yeah,

0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:27.719
<v Speaker 1>I think I was even reading off something on my phone.

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<v Speaker 1>The shot when you pull the trigger, so there's the

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<v Speaker 1>trigger guard. Put your finger right there. You see that

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<v Speaker 1>it's totally never put your finger on the trigger and

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<v Speaker 1>even inside that trigger guard until we're ready to go,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, and then when here's the safety, so you

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<v Speaker 1>can push it back and forth and see as as

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<v Speaker 1>the action is open, you can see that there's you

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<v Speaker 1>can push that back and forth and see safety was

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<v Speaker 1>when the red indicators showing, and on safe is when

0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:02.760
<v Speaker 1>the red indicators and here at the range, we won't

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<v Speaker 1>do this in the field, but here in the range,

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<v Speaker 1>when that safety clicks off, you just say fire in

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<v Speaker 1>the hole, which means I'm preparing to shoot, which lets

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<v Speaker 1>me know that you're getting ready to send some shots.

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<v Speaker 1>So now you're educated, Phil, educated. I was holding the

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<v Speaker 1>gun in my hand, yeah, inspecting all the parts you

0:19:19.800 --> 0:19:21.280
<v Speaker 1>were showing me. It was kind of like an air gun.

0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:23.719
<v Speaker 1>It's made of air. There you go. But we did

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<v Speaker 1>we actually did later than you know, inspect. It's the

0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:29.000
<v Speaker 1>magic of the magic of audio. Here. We're just letting

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<v Speaker 1>you into the creative work that goes into the show

0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:33.960
<v Speaker 1>like this. You should be grateful. And then was so

0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:36.880
<v Speaker 1>honest with you. He's really he's really opening up. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>in these last episode and then you know, we did

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<v Speaker 1>other stuff. Okay, it's it's it's getting a little window

0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:45.320
<v Speaker 1>out here. We're out in them. We're on America's public lands.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously America's public lands. There'd be somewhere else. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>show you what you're what you're doing here, Phil, You're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be shooting these federal TSS loads. These heavyweight t

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<v Speaker 1>SS Sponsorler Tungsten super shot. These are three inch shells.

0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:03.120
<v Speaker 1>They have nine shot and it's one and three year

0:20:03.160 --> 0:20:05.720
<v Speaker 1>quarter ounce of shot inside of there. So we're gonna

0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:11.320
<v Speaker 1>put these babies right in here, and then when we

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<v Speaker 1>hit this button, it's gonna go. It's gonna be chambered right,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna be ready to fire. Okay, safety there like

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<v Speaker 1>I showed you, and then this is the magazine or

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<v Speaker 1>you'll be able to insert the extra shells that which

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<v Speaker 1>will be cycled through when you pull the trick semi automatic. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>got it. Now onto the next thing. We recorded all right,

0:20:37.160 --> 0:20:40.760
<v Speaker 1>eyes and ears safety, see, we're yes, we're doing it right.

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<v Speaker 1>We made sure to about how far do you think

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<v Speaker 1>that's your guests, Probably about fifteen yards? This turkey as

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<v Speaker 1>a turkey's head. And you're gonna put the bed look

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<v Speaker 1>down the barrel here real quick. You're gonna put that

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<v Speaker 1>bead see the rip of the shotgun here. You're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>bed that bead down in the ribs. So you just

0:21:01.800 --> 0:21:05.000
<v Speaker 1>see like a half moon, and that bead is going

0:21:05.040 --> 0:21:08.479
<v Speaker 1>to go right on the turkeys. Major curruncles are right

0:21:08.480 --> 0:21:10.800
<v Speaker 1>in the middle of its neck. There. As you can see,

0:21:10.800 --> 0:21:13.040
<v Speaker 1>there's a bull's eye on the target, and so you're

0:21:13.080 --> 0:21:15.920
<v Speaker 1>gonna place that that bead right on top of that

0:21:16.359 --> 0:21:18.640
<v Speaker 1>right and then you're gonna shoot him in the face. Good,

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<v Speaker 1>So it's gonna go okay. Commentary Philip, No, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>lovely day. Um. I couldn't ask for better, better weather,

0:21:27.840 --> 0:21:33.640
<v Speaker 1>better situation. I'm excited. We're gonna we've got about We're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna try it. We're gonna run through this once. Let's

0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:38.240
<v Speaker 1>just let you feel it and then get your reaction,

0:21:38.400 --> 0:21:41.040
<v Speaker 1>and then we'll start to look at accuracy and kind

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<v Speaker 1>of play a little bit around what we need to

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<v Speaker 1>do in the field. You were thrilled at this point,

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<v Speaker 1>phil Yeah, Well, I mean, I'm gonna be honest, I

0:21:47.160 --> 0:21:48.720
<v Speaker 1>was a little I mean, it was very much out

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<v Speaker 1>of my element, so so you know, I was, I

0:21:52.600 --> 0:21:56.399
<v Speaker 1>was I didn't really know what to expect, um, and

0:21:56.480 --> 0:21:57.760
<v Speaker 1>I was just trying to take in what you were

0:21:57.760 --> 0:22:01.080
<v Speaker 1>telling me. Yeah, I mean, I think all seriousness. I mean,

0:22:01.160 --> 0:22:05.000
<v Speaker 1>I think being a mentor is about that feeling out process.

0:22:05.000 --> 0:22:06.800
<v Speaker 1>Of course, we know each other from sitting around in

0:22:07.200 --> 0:22:08.960
<v Speaker 1>the studio a lot of times, but those of you

0:22:09.000 --> 0:22:10.920
<v Speaker 1>that are out there mentoring folks. You may not know them,

0:22:11.040 --> 0:22:13.760
<v Speaker 1>or you may know them from other you know interactions.

0:22:13.760 --> 0:22:15.720
<v Speaker 1>You may know him professionally even or from work. You

0:22:15.760 --> 0:22:17.600
<v Speaker 1>may know from church. You may know him who knows

0:22:17.640 --> 0:22:21.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, from the corner store, you don't know. Um,

0:22:21.240 --> 0:22:24.879
<v Speaker 1>it's this going to the range of someone one is

0:22:24.880 --> 0:22:26.800
<v Speaker 1>a good way to kind of set the precedent for

0:22:26.800 --> 0:22:29.399
<v Speaker 1>how you're going to communicate, you know, whether you trust

0:22:29.440 --> 0:22:31.480
<v Speaker 1>that person, whether you're really going to take on the

0:22:31.520 --> 0:22:33.840
<v Speaker 1>mental roles like I'll handle the firearms, I'll make sure

0:22:33.880 --> 0:22:35.879
<v Speaker 1>we're safe, or you're gonna see some trust over to

0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:40.000
<v Speaker 1>that person that you're working with. And and these these

0:22:40.000 --> 0:22:41.800
<v Speaker 1>early interactions are a way to kind of get to

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<v Speaker 1>know each other but also to set a cadence because

0:22:44.240 --> 0:22:47.639
<v Speaker 1>you have to to to do this successfully. To mentor

0:22:47.680 --> 0:22:50.080
<v Speaker 1>someone successfully, you have to be able to communicate with

0:22:50.119 --> 0:22:53.160
<v Speaker 1>them and understand them and they have to understand you. Uh.

0:22:53.200 --> 0:22:56.520
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of you know, even non verbal communication

0:22:56.560 --> 0:22:58.239
<v Speaker 1>in the woods, a lot of whispering, a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>fast action. And so this is to me, is like

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<v Speaker 1>a good way to say, like, this is how we're

0:23:02.920 --> 0:23:04.879
<v Speaker 1>going to communicate each other. That's how we're gonna be safe.

0:23:05.080 --> 0:23:07.200
<v Speaker 1>This is this is setting a precedent for when we're

0:23:07.200 --> 0:23:10.480
<v Speaker 1>out there, making sure we understand, you know, kind of

0:23:10.520 --> 0:23:13.560
<v Speaker 1>the step by step process of how we're going to

0:23:13.680 --> 0:23:17.199
<v Speaker 1>handle some of these more intricate actions out there in

0:23:17.280 --> 0:23:19.440
<v Speaker 1>the field. So that that's my what I was, what's

0:23:19.440 --> 0:23:21.879
<v Speaker 1>going through my mind, you know, to see how comfortable

0:23:21.880 --> 0:23:23.720
<v Speaker 1>you are. I think immediately you were pretty comfortable with

0:23:23.760 --> 0:23:27.560
<v Speaker 1>the weapon, like it wasn't something scary or you didn't

0:23:27.560 --> 0:23:30.159
<v Speaker 1>feel like you were nervous. You were nervous. You want

0:23:30.200 --> 0:23:31.960
<v Speaker 1>to be accurate, you wanted to do it right. But

0:23:32.000 --> 0:23:33.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't think you were nervous at the idea of

0:23:34.600 --> 0:23:37.399
<v Speaker 1>felt recoil, were you No? No? No, I mean I

0:23:37.440 --> 0:23:40.600
<v Speaker 1>think you'll hear um. After you kind of gave me

0:23:40.640 --> 0:23:44.000
<v Speaker 1>the go ahead to fire, there is a long gap.

0:23:44.480 --> 0:23:46.280
<v Speaker 1>I was kind of I was really trying to like

0:23:46.600 --> 0:23:48.320
<v Speaker 1>remember all the things you told me, like three points

0:23:48.320 --> 0:23:51.480
<v Speaker 1>of contact, like where where's where's the where's the site pointing? Like?

0:23:51.560 --> 0:23:54.920
<v Speaker 1>Am I level enough? Like am I holding the gun

0:23:55.040 --> 0:23:57.399
<v Speaker 1>too close to my body and holding it too tighten?

0:23:57.480 --> 0:23:59.760
<v Speaker 1>Or am I holding it too loosely? Like am I

0:23:59.760 --> 0:24:01.679
<v Speaker 1>am leaning too far? Back to go forward and then

0:24:01.720 --> 0:24:03.640
<v Speaker 1>all that kind of stuff I was trying to process,

0:24:04.080 --> 0:24:06.560
<v Speaker 1>like fire on the exhale, just like all that stuff,

0:24:07.280 --> 0:24:10.520
<v Speaker 1>um and so like I think there was some trepidation there,

0:24:10.520 --> 0:24:12.800
<v Speaker 1>but I was never I was never like uncomfortable or

0:24:12.840 --> 0:24:16.160
<v Speaker 1>nervous like in that way. No. No, So here we go.

0:24:16.600 --> 0:24:20.080
<v Speaker 1>All right, we got Phil all figured out here. He's up.

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<v Speaker 1>We're using a hydro sled and a Caldwell shooting table

0:24:23.320 --> 0:24:26.960
<v Speaker 1>out here in the middle of this kind of really

0:24:27.000 --> 0:24:30.280
<v Speaker 1>flat aired public land. Peace. So you're all set up there,

0:24:30.280 --> 0:24:33.240
<v Speaker 1>fils that feel pretty comfortable? It does, Yes, We've We've

0:24:33.280 --> 0:24:35.439
<v Speaker 1>finagled it, and now I'm feeling pretty good. Okay, I

0:24:35.480 --> 0:24:37.480
<v Speaker 1>forgot the target stand, so we're using a piece of

0:24:37.480 --> 0:24:41.399
<v Speaker 1>wood and a bungee cord, much like his tradition in

0:24:41.400 --> 0:24:43.199
<v Speaker 1>the Turkey uming space. Okay, I'm gonna load this up

0:24:43.240 --> 0:24:46.160
<v Speaker 1>for you. Phil. As soon as this action closes, it's

0:24:46.160 --> 0:24:48.560
<v Speaker 1>gonna be ready to fire. Now, when you're ready to shoot,

0:24:48.920 --> 0:24:51.840
<v Speaker 1>all you gotta do is push that safety and then

0:24:51.920 --> 0:24:54.720
<v Speaker 1>when you're ready to fire, put your finger inside the

0:24:54.720 --> 0:25:05.200
<v Speaker 1>trigger guard and just tell me, you know, ready to go. Okay, sound.

0:25:04.880 --> 0:25:11.040
<v Speaker 1>So here's the momentble pause like thing that I'm gonna

0:25:11.080 --> 0:25:13.480
<v Speaker 1>have my hand under the magazine like no, no, you're

0:25:13.520 --> 0:25:17.120
<v Speaker 1>opening the further up on the flour ends. You can

0:25:17.119 --> 0:25:18.680
<v Speaker 1>get it the better. If you hold it right here,

0:25:18.720 --> 0:25:22.240
<v Speaker 1>you'll be just fine. And this is very natural. Well, well,

0:25:22.280 --> 0:25:25.200
<v Speaker 1>like what's happening here, You're trying to get comfortable, I think,

0:25:25.760 --> 0:25:27.919
<v Speaker 1>and you tell me if I'm wrong immediately when I

0:25:28.040 --> 0:25:31.400
<v Speaker 1>load a shot shell and I say it's loaded, it's

0:25:31.400 --> 0:25:35.400
<v Speaker 1>ready to go. But your mood changes a little bit.

0:25:35.680 --> 0:25:38.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean, like your understanding now for a big loud

0:25:38.880 --> 0:25:40.879
<v Speaker 1>thing could happen at any time. Yeah, well even just

0:25:41.000 --> 0:25:43.320
<v Speaker 1>looking at that that the trigger and the trigger guard,

0:25:43.440 --> 0:25:47.800
<v Speaker 1>how how close the trigger is to the back of

0:25:47.880 --> 0:25:50.560
<v Speaker 1>that trigger guard area where I was like, oh, like

0:25:50.600 --> 0:25:53.399
<v Speaker 1>this is like a hairpin, like you barely have to

0:25:53.440 --> 0:25:55.320
<v Speaker 1>squeeze for it to go off. So it's I mean,

0:25:55.359 --> 0:25:58.719
<v Speaker 1>it's you know, um, like I told you I did.

0:25:58.840 --> 0:26:00.400
<v Speaker 1>You know, I didn't grow up with guns, so all

0:26:00.480 --> 0:26:03.399
<v Speaker 1>all this stuff, you know, being handed a shotgun when

0:26:03.440 --> 0:26:06.240
<v Speaker 1>you're thirty, it's it carries a little bit more weight

0:26:06.640 --> 0:26:10.080
<v Speaker 1>and like the context as as as an adult, more

0:26:10.119 --> 0:26:12.040
<v Speaker 1>than it would if you were you know, eight, years old,

0:26:12.640 --> 0:26:15.200
<v Speaker 1>So like it just kind of you know, I was

0:26:15.240 --> 0:26:17.480
<v Speaker 1>trying to be extra extra careful. Yeah, I mean all

0:26:17.480 --> 0:26:19.760
<v Speaker 1>the time, we've talked about this and thought about this,

0:26:19.840 --> 0:26:21.920
<v Speaker 1>and we talked about mentoring a lot on the show,

0:26:21.920 --> 0:26:23.959
<v Speaker 1>and we've we've kind of thought through what this this

0:26:23.960 --> 0:26:25.960
<v Speaker 1>would be. But this is one of the main points

0:26:25.960 --> 0:26:29.840
<v Speaker 1>to remember if you are mentoring an emergent hunter is

0:26:29.880 --> 0:26:32.680
<v Speaker 1>as a child, you're kind of you're pretty locked in

0:26:32.760 --> 0:26:35.520
<v Speaker 1>on whoever it's mentoring you, whether it's your dad, you

0:26:35.560 --> 0:26:40.960
<v Speaker 1>generally have a relationship with that person, right, uncle, father, friend, whatever, um.

0:26:41.000 --> 0:26:43.760
<v Speaker 1>But you don't have a general like you have no

0:26:43.960 --> 0:26:48.959
<v Speaker 1>general knowledge of the social and cultural impacts of firearms. Right.

0:26:49.000 --> 0:26:51.080
<v Speaker 1>You also just don't have a general knowledge and ways

0:26:51.119 --> 0:26:54.840
<v Speaker 1>people might die, all right, just don't sit around reading

0:26:54.880 --> 0:26:58.600
<v Speaker 1>about gun accidents or reading about mass shootings. And so

0:26:58.760 --> 0:27:00.879
<v Speaker 1>I'm I know that those things are baked in and

0:27:01.119 --> 0:27:03.800
<v Speaker 1>I could I could tell, and I think this is

0:27:04.000 --> 0:27:08.080
<v Speaker 1>is very normal that like when when the finality of

0:27:08.119 --> 0:27:10.400
<v Speaker 1>that shot shell in the chamber and me saying like

0:27:10.720 --> 0:27:15.320
<v Speaker 1>it's one you now be safe, do this, right, So

0:27:15.400 --> 0:27:17.880
<v Speaker 1>you're immediately there's a question, Okay, what do I do?

0:27:18.240 --> 0:27:21.840
<v Speaker 1>Where do I go elbows, hands, cheek. Where does this

0:27:21.880 --> 0:27:25.520
<v Speaker 1>all go? You know? And that's pretty natural, right, I think?

0:27:25.520 --> 0:27:28.000
<v Speaker 1>So there we go. Yeah, just don't get your This

0:27:28.080 --> 0:27:31.399
<v Speaker 1>action is going to come back forward and this magazine

0:27:31.840 --> 0:27:35.520
<v Speaker 1>will work in that action will work that next round

0:27:35.520 --> 0:27:38.160
<v Speaker 1>into the chamber. But if you're there, you're You're just fine.

0:27:40.960 --> 0:27:43.919
<v Speaker 1>And the goal here where this first shot was just

0:27:44.000 --> 0:27:48.399
<v Speaker 1>to get just to understand how everything works. No expectation, no, no,

0:27:49.520 --> 0:27:51.320
<v Speaker 1>tell me when you're ready to say, fire in the hole.

0:27:53.160 --> 0:27:57.959
<v Speaker 1>Now we gotta, I gotta ready. I also didn't want

0:27:57.960 --> 0:28:01.640
<v Speaker 1>to shoot the gun whenever anyone was driving by. Yeah,

0:28:01.760 --> 0:28:04.640
<v Speaker 1>it was totally fine. The road was completely and it's

0:28:04.720 --> 0:28:07.800
<v Speaker 1>it was in a very safe zone. Yeah, yeah, but

0:28:07.840 --> 0:28:09.159
<v Speaker 1>you didn't want to. It was make I don't know,

0:28:09.160 --> 0:28:11.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if self conscious conscious is the word,

0:28:11.720 --> 0:28:16.560
<v Speaker 1>but something about it just made me slightly uncomfortable. Here

0:28:16.560 --> 0:28:23.399
<v Speaker 1>we go, see him say win driving out of Okay,

0:28:26.480 --> 0:28:27.879
<v Speaker 1>go ahead and get set up on it with that

0:28:27.960 --> 0:28:30.399
<v Speaker 1>cheek on the weld. Don't put that figure near the

0:28:30.400 --> 0:28:33.159
<v Speaker 1>trigger until you're set up and firm. Make sure this

0:28:33.280 --> 0:28:37.359
<v Speaker 1>is firm against your shoulder. Okay, you're good, Go ahead

0:28:37.359 --> 0:28:39.240
<v Speaker 1>and place that finger on the trigger and pull slowly

0:28:40.040 --> 0:28:53.479
<v Speaker 1>back towards you. It's a lot of power, it is.

0:28:54.000 --> 0:28:57.200
<v Speaker 1>You killed that turkey. All right, we're did that and

0:28:57.240 --> 0:29:00.320
<v Speaker 1>he didn't make it well done? What are you think they're,

0:29:00.360 --> 0:29:06.520
<v Speaker 1>Philly engineer. I that was exciting. Yeah, what a stupid

0:29:07.480 --> 0:29:08.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't have a whole lot of words

0:29:08.920 --> 0:29:14.360
<v Speaker 1>right now. There. It was exciting a lot of pressure

0:29:14.360 --> 0:29:16.680
<v Speaker 1>on you to say pulling in things. Yeah, I gotta

0:29:16.720 --> 0:29:21.000
<v Speaker 1>say I did not like you running out to the microphone.

0:29:21.120 --> 0:29:23.800
<v Speaker 1>Shot shot the gun for the first time. I did that.

0:29:23.840 --> 0:29:27.600
<v Speaker 1>Every time you shot, I think, yeah, probably. Um. We

0:29:27.640 --> 0:29:29.440
<v Speaker 1>won't borrow you with the rest of the details, but

0:29:29.680 --> 0:29:31.200
<v Speaker 1>it suffice to say, like we'll talk through a little

0:29:31.200 --> 0:29:36.080
<v Speaker 1>bit of what happened, Phil, we that first shot would

0:29:36.120 --> 0:29:37.760
<v Speaker 1>have been in every shot you I think you shot

0:29:37.800 --> 0:29:42.960
<v Speaker 1>about five times or maybe seven. Think it was you

0:29:43.000 --> 0:29:46.360
<v Speaker 1>shot one. I shot one just to see. Everything was

0:29:46.400 --> 0:29:49.280
<v Speaker 1>a little bit low, a little bit to the left.

0:29:49.840 --> 0:29:51.400
<v Speaker 1>I think the first three or four shots you would

0:29:51.400 --> 0:29:55.160
<v Speaker 1>have killed the turkey. But you know, to understand, you

0:29:55.200 --> 0:29:58.200
<v Speaker 1>know where we had about an eighteen yard target again

0:29:58.320 --> 0:30:00.560
<v Speaker 1>a piece of wood bungee cord. It was kind of

0:30:00.600 --> 0:30:04.120
<v Speaker 1>on the ground. We started you on a Caldwell shooting

0:30:04.160 --> 0:30:06.400
<v Speaker 1>bench portable shooting bench that I have, and then a

0:30:06.480 --> 0:30:08.400
<v Speaker 1>hydro slid, which is like a lead sled. It's a

0:30:08.400 --> 0:30:12.080
<v Speaker 1>big shooting rest. So we started you there first, just

0:30:12.120 --> 0:30:15.280
<v Speaker 1>so you can understand the mechanics of the situation and

0:30:15.360 --> 0:30:18.760
<v Speaker 1>kind of mentally understand what's going to happen, just so

0:30:18.800 --> 0:30:22.040
<v Speaker 1>we all had that mutual understanding. And then we did

0:30:22.080 --> 0:30:24.920
<v Speaker 1>that a couple of times, took that away, brought in

0:30:24.960 --> 0:30:27.760
<v Speaker 1>a Caldwell shooting bag, just so now you could feel

0:30:27.840 --> 0:30:31.520
<v Speaker 1>the shotgun directly on your shoulder. We could talk about fit,

0:30:31.960 --> 0:30:34.280
<v Speaker 1>we could talk about points of contact, we could talk

0:30:34.320 --> 0:30:37.040
<v Speaker 1>about you know, really as as I think you could

0:30:37.240 --> 0:30:39.680
<v Speaker 1>talk about this a little bit. What came to I

0:30:39.680 --> 0:30:42.000
<v Speaker 1>think really help. He was like control of shotgun. Don't

0:30:42.080 --> 0:30:45.280
<v Speaker 1>let the shotgun control you bear down, Like make sure

0:30:45.320 --> 0:30:47.840
<v Speaker 1>you're on top of the gun, don't you know, don't

0:30:47.920 --> 0:30:51.520
<v Speaker 1>let it um, don't let her buck. I guess it'll

0:30:51.560 --> 0:30:53.280
<v Speaker 1>be a good way to say it. So talk to

0:30:53.560 --> 0:30:56.680
<v Speaker 1>talk people through how that progression went, because we went

0:30:56.760 --> 0:31:01.120
<v Speaker 1>from just trying to understand two, just trying to control

0:31:01.160 --> 0:31:03.680
<v Speaker 1>the shotgun, but then trying to shoot for accuracy. Then

0:31:03.680 --> 0:31:05.560
<v Speaker 1>we sat you up against the gate, you know, just

0:31:05.560 --> 0:31:07.400
<v Speaker 1>like you would be up against the tree in the field,

0:31:07.400 --> 0:31:09.280
<v Speaker 1>and did some more shooting. So talk to people through

0:31:09.640 --> 0:31:13.239
<v Speaker 1>how that all in your mind went. Yeah, I mean

0:31:13.280 --> 0:31:15.760
<v Speaker 1>I felt like my aim, I mean behind the gun,

0:31:16.480 --> 0:31:21.800
<v Speaker 1>I felt like I was aiming properly. Um And I

0:31:21.880 --> 0:31:25.040
<v Speaker 1>was pretty consistent with where the shots are ending up,

0:31:25.040 --> 0:31:27.080
<v Speaker 1>but it wasn't where I wanted them to end up.

0:31:27.080 --> 0:31:29.640
<v Speaker 1>It was always just slightly low and slightly to the left.

0:31:30.000 --> 0:31:33.200
<v Speaker 1>And um uh So then even even when I tried

0:31:33.240 --> 0:31:35.320
<v Speaker 1>to kind of compensate for that, which I don't I

0:31:35.320 --> 0:31:38.280
<v Speaker 1>don't know if it was the right thing to do, um,

0:31:38.320 --> 0:31:39.880
<v Speaker 1>it was still ending up kind of low and to

0:31:39.960 --> 0:31:44.800
<v Speaker 1>the left. Um So, so I think wait, and then

0:31:44.840 --> 0:31:47.040
<v Speaker 1>you came in and were like, well, I you was

0:31:47.520 --> 0:31:50.080
<v Speaker 1>I specifically doing something. I think you were telling me

0:31:50.120 --> 0:31:53.240
<v Speaker 1>that I maybe was kind of You're dumping the trigger

0:31:53.240 --> 0:31:57.480
<v Speaker 1>a little bit, which is completely natural, which jump in

0:31:57.520 --> 0:32:00.240
<v Speaker 1>the trigger just means you know, jerking it, pulling fat asked,

0:32:00.280 --> 0:32:03.360
<v Speaker 1>not smoothly pulling through right, So as you jerk the trigger,

0:32:03.400 --> 0:32:06.280
<v Speaker 1>that's going to create really a different kind of action.

0:32:06.800 --> 0:32:09.240
<v Speaker 1>And so I just talked about let's focus on other

0:32:09.280 --> 0:32:12.120
<v Speaker 1>things right, because there is there's a level at which

0:32:12.160 --> 0:32:14.239
<v Speaker 1>when you're instructing someone or something like this, you can

0:32:14.280 --> 0:32:16.680
<v Speaker 1>get in their heads if you give them too much instruction,

0:32:16.920 --> 0:32:18.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, if you have too many things to think about.

0:32:18.720 --> 0:32:21.400
<v Speaker 1>And then and so I could just to me, it

0:32:21.440 --> 0:32:23.440
<v Speaker 1>was like, okay, let's let's because we talked about you know,

0:32:23.480 --> 0:32:25.600
<v Speaker 1>getting that taking a breath in and then when as

0:32:25.640 --> 0:32:28.080
<v Speaker 1>you let that breath out, just slowly pulling that trigger

0:32:28.120 --> 0:32:30.560
<v Speaker 1>and the surprise shot. You know, we talked about that.

0:32:31.200 --> 0:32:33.080
<v Speaker 1>But as I was watching, I'm like, well, I think

0:32:33.200 --> 0:32:35.719
<v Speaker 1>if I just let's just talk, let's just get that

0:32:35.760 --> 0:32:39.280
<v Speaker 1>gun seated correctly in your shoulder and just control that thing.

0:32:39.840 --> 0:32:42.360
<v Speaker 1>They just just know that you're not you know, you're

0:32:42.360 --> 0:32:44.320
<v Speaker 1>not waiting for the recoil, not worried about the trigger.

0:32:44.320 --> 0:32:47.200
<v Speaker 1>You're just worried about controlling that shatkun. And then once

0:32:47.200 --> 0:32:51.160
<v Speaker 1>we kind of got there, then you're right on, you know,

0:32:51.200 --> 0:32:54.760
<v Speaker 1>And I think that's that was just you know, openly

0:32:55.000 --> 0:32:57.800
<v Speaker 1>through that process, just watching and trying to understand, and

0:32:57.840 --> 0:33:00.320
<v Speaker 1>there's never really no one way to do that. You

0:33:00.400 --> 0:33:03.440
<v Speaker 1>just gotta interpersonal. You just gotta figure it out together.

0:33:04.280 --> 0:33:06.680
<v Speaker 1>And again, if you're teaching somebody how to to go

0:33:06.840 --> 0:33:10.040
<v Speaker 1>hunt for the first time, especially they're an adult. This

0:33:10.120 --> 0:33:12.680
<v Speaker 1>is gonna happen. You have to like work with each other,

0:33:12.720 --> 0:33:15.760
<v Speaker 1>work as a team. It's not it's not boss employee.

0:33:15.800 --> 0:33:17.960
<v Speaker 1>It's two people trying to figure something out together. It's

0:33:18.000 --> 0:33:23.760
<v Speaker 1>really what this is. I was happy by the end

0:33:23.760 --> 0:33:25.160
<v Speaker 1>of the thing, and we got to go drive out.

0:33:25.200 --> 0:33:26.960
<v Speaker 1>We got to drive by the mutant Turkey on the

0:33:26.960 --> 0:33:30.640
<v Speaker 1>way back out. That's right, say goodbye, say goodbye, goodbye,

0:33:30.720 --> 0:33:34.800
<v Speaker 1>mutant Turkey, goodbye forever. So we when we were driving

0:33:34.840 --> 0:33:36.880
<v Speaker 1>out past the mutant Turkey, we did a little recording

0:33:37.040 --> 0:33:38.960
<v Speaker 1>just to talk about in the moment. So let's see

0:33:39.000 --> 0:33:42.160
<v Speaker 1>what you said. And you know, in reflection, because I

0:33:42.200 --> 0:33:44.040
<v Speaker 1>do not remember anything nice. That's what I'm saying that

0:33:44.080 --> 0:33:45.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember eating. So it's good. It's like, this

0:33:45.880 --> 0:33:48.720
<v Speaker 1>is a fun way to play it out. Maybe it's

0:33:48.720 --> 0:33:52.720
<v Speaker 1>not good for the audience, but for us, it's fun. Okay, Phil, Yeah,

0:33:53.640 --> 0:33:57.640
<v Speaker 1>uh all right, last shot he blew the turkey's head off.

0:33:58.000 --> 0:34:00.640
<v Speaker 1>Feeling good about that. Yes, it was a good note

0:34:00.680 --> 0:34:04.640
<v Speaker 1>to go out on. My best shot was my last shot. Um,

0:34:04.760 --> 0:34:06.520
<v Speaker 1>I just gotta remember to kind of you were telling

0:34:06.520 --> 0:34:09.000
<v Speaker 1>me to bear down a little bit, keep that gun tight,

0:34:09.920 --> 0:34:14.040
<v Speaker 1>tight to my my my shoulder, and uh and aim

0:34:14.080 --> 0:34:15.840
<v Speaker 1>a little higher. I guess that was kind of what

0:34:15.880 --> 0:34:20.759
<v Speaker 1>I did on that last last shot. So well, I mean,

0:34:20.760 --> 0:34:22.120
<v Speaker 1>that's it, man, That's why you come out here so

0:34:22.160 --> 0:34:24.880
<v Speaker 1>you can learn a little bit and experience it. And

0:34:24.960 --> 0:34:27.279
<v Speaker 1>if you all but one of your shots, you would

0:34:27.280 --> 0:34:29.759
<v Speaker 1>have killed the turkey. So for your first time really

0:34:29.800 --> 0:34:32.200
<v Speaker 1>doing this, that's that's like I said, I'm not worried

0:34:32.200 --> 0:34:36.200
<v Speaker 1>at all. I have no concerns about the turkeys and

0:34:36.239 --> 0:34:39.560
<v Speaker 1>what they'll do after Philly Engineer pulls the trigger, except

0:34:39.719 --> 0:34:44.320
<v Speaker 1>the real ones will be like presumably walking around and moving,

0:34:44.480 --> 0:34:47.279
<v Speaker 1>so that's that'll be another wrinkle. But I think I

0:34:47.320 --> 0:34:50.120
<v Speaker 1>think I'm ready. I think you're ready to what questions

0:34:50.160 --> 0:34:52.239
<v Speaker 1>you have about actual turkey hunting itself. It's kind of

0:34:52.239 --> 0:34:53.680
<v Speaker 1>going over it on the show a bunch of times.

0:34:53.680 --> 0:34:56.120
<v Speaker 1>But do you have any questions about like the scenario

0:34:56.280 --> 0:34:58.319
<v Speaker 1>for the morning? Yeah, I think so. I mean, so

0:34:58.360 --> 0:35:01.799
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna set up decoys, he said a twenty yards away.

0:35:03.120 --> 0:35:06.839
<v Speaker 1>Is there a specific moment that the turkey that will

0:35:06.840 --> 0:35:09.239
<v Speaker 1>the will the turkey be doing something specific when like

0:35:09.280 --> 0:35:11.359
<v Speaker 1>when it's when it's strutting or try and check out

0:35:11.360 --> 0:35:13.680
<v Speaker 1>the decoys? Am I waiting for it to kind of

0:35:13.719 --> 0:35:17.399
<v Speaker 1>stop and and you know, plant for a second before

0:35:17.400 --> 0:35:20.440
<v Speaker 1>I take the shot? I guess, I guess what's the

0:35:20.480 --> 0:35:23.839
<v Speaker 1>opportune moment to actually take the shot other than having

0:35:23.840 --> 0:35:26.840
<v Speaker 1>a clear sightline and and you know, knowing the target

0:35:26.880 --> 0:35:29.800
<v Speaker 1>and everything. Yeah, so it all depends on how it

0:35:29.840 --> 0:35:32.719
<v Speaker 1>happens for your first turkey hunt. If it doesn't go

0:35:32.800 --> 0:35:34.360
<v Speaker 1>the way we wanted to go, we're just not gonna

0:35:34.360 --> 0:35:37.480
<v Speaker 1>shoot like that. You know. If if he comes in

0:35:37.560 --> 0:35:39.560
<v Speaker 1>he gets nervous and starts running around the circles and

0:35:40.200 --> 0:35:41.919
<v Speaker 1>looks like he starts putting and looks like he wants

0:35:41.920 --> 0:35:44.480
<v Speaker 1>to roll out, we're just gonna let him go. You know,

0:35:44.560 --> 0:35:47.799
<v Speaker 1>We're not gonna rush anything. We're not gonna be unethical.

0:35:48.000 --> 0:35:49.719
<v Speaker 1>We're not going to force a shot if we don't

0:35:49.760 --> 0:35:52.160
<v Speaker 1>need to. So the perfect scenario is when we set

0:35:52.160 --> 0:35:54.960
<v Speaker 1>these decoys up, we're gonna set them up in such

0:35:54.960 --> 0:35:58.239
<v Speaker 1>a way that he has to come where we'll set

0:35:58.280 --> 0:35:59.719
<v Speaker 1>up I know, this little meadow where we're gonna go.

0:35:59.800 --> 0:36:02.920
<v Speaker 1>We're to set up the decoys where he basically in

0:36:03.040 --> 0:36:06.120
<v Speaker 1>almost all scenarios, probably nine out of the ten scenarios

0:36:06.280 --> 0:36:08.120
<v Speaker 1>where a turkey might approach, He's gonna have to come

0:36:08.160 --> 0:36:11.200
<v Speaker 1>past us to get to the decoys. Okay, and for

0:36:11.239 --> 0:36:14.799
<v Speaker 1>a for a myriad of reasons, but really because I

0:36:14.840 --> 0:36:17.319
<v Speaker 1>want him to be focused on the decoys and walk

0:36:17.440 --> 0:36:20.200
<v Speaker 1>and looking towards the decoys. And we're not on the

0:36:20.200 --> 0:36:22.839
<v Speaker 1>other side of those decoys, right, So we're gonna set

0:36:22.920 --> 0:36:26.800
<v Speaker 1>up so he has to come past us. So generally,

0:36:26.880 --> 0:36:29.240
<v Speaker 1>once it wants a full strut turkey or a gobbler

0:36:29.560 --> 0:36:31.799
<v Speaker 1>or you know, any turkey that's interested in decoys, once

0:36:31.840 --> 0:36:35.399
<v Speaker 1>they get full lock in on on a decoy, they

0:36:35.440 --> 0:36:37.520
<v Speaker 1>want to come. And I'm not gonna say you can

0:36:37.520 --> 0:36:40.279
<v Speaker 1>almost do You can't do anything, but you can move

0:36:40.320 --> 0:36:42.600
<v Speaker 1>around a little bit, you can adjust a little bit.

0:36:42.680 --> 0:36:46.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean people, you know, in those situations draw a bow.

0:36:47.080 --> 0:36:48.680
<v Speaker 1>So I have a full draw on a bow. That's

0:36:48.680 --> 0:36:50.480
<v Speaker 1>a lot of motion that you all need to have.

0:36:50.880 --> 0:36:52.359
<v Speaker 1>So when that turkey comes in, you're gonna be set

0:36:52.400 --> 0:36:54.000
<v Speaker 1>up already like we just worre. You'll be sitting on

0:36:54.440 --> 0:36:57.040
<v Speaker 1>against the tree, you'll have three points of contact, you'll

0:36:57.080 --> 0:36:59.760
<v Speaker 1>be ready to go. You'll be putting that site picture

0:37:00.000 --> 0:37:03.040
<v Speaker 1>in your mind and getting ready to literally just click

0:37:03.120 --> 0:37:04.840
<v Speaker 1>the safety off and when I tell you to shoot,

0:37:05.160 --> 0:37:07.840
<v Speaker 1>you let it go. What you're looking for turkey wise,

0:37:09.080 --> 0:37:11.640
<v Speaker 1>there's a couple of things we can do. He's in

0:37:11.680 --> 0:37:15.239
<v Speaker 1>full strut, his his feathers kind of fluff up right,

0:37:15.360 --> 0:37:18.600
<v Speaker 1>his his body kind of blows up, he lifts his wings,

0:37:18.880 --> 0:37:21.120
<v Speaker 1>his tail fan is kind of up in the air,

0:37:21.640 --> 0:37:24.600
<v Speaker 1>and his head is tucked into his body, right, And

0:37:24.680 --> 0:37:27.640
<v Speaker 1>so it's not a full you know that that target

0:37:27.640 --> 0:37:29.440
<v Speaker 1>we're just shooting at is just a full turkey's head,

0:37:29.480 --> 0:37:32.600
<v Speaker 1>and that's it in that case, when his head is

0:37:32.640 --> 0:37:34.960
<v Speaker 1>tucked into his body. Certainly I've shot turkeys like that.

0:37:35.760 --> 0:37:38.279
<v Speaker 1>What I would would like to do is I'll probably

0:37:38.280 --> 0:37:40.520
<v Speaker 1>throw out a few clucks or just like one noise

0:37:40.560 --> 0:37:42.480
<v Speaker 1>to get him to poke his head up, and then

0:37:42.520 --> 0:37:44.520
<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you to kill him. So when he puts

0:37:44.520 --> 0:37:46.600
<v Speaker 1>his head up to look around, like what was that,

0:37:47.320 --> 0:37:50.920
<v Speaker 1>then you have a full clear picture of that turkey,

0:37:50.960 --> 0:37:54.080
<v Speaker 1>hopefully a silhouetted head just like you had in that target.

0:37:54.160 --> 0:37:56.600
<v Speaker 1>And so that's what we're looking for now. If we

0:37:56.640 --> 0:37:58.600
<v Speaker 1>don't get that, if he's coming to the decoys, he

0:37:58.640 --> 0:38:00.560
<v Speaker 1>sees something weird and he skirts so and he's around

0:38:00.560 --> 0:38:02.200
<v Speaker 1>it like thirty or forty yards and he just won't

0:38:02.239 --> 0:38:04.680
<v Speaker 1>come in. We can talk about it. At that point,

0:38:04.719 --> 0:38:07.120
<v Speaker 1>I'll say you comfortable, Like thirty yards, I think you

0:38:07.160 --> 0:38:10.920
<v Speaker 1>can kill him, Like, are you comfortable? And in the

0:38:10.960 --> 0:38:13.320
<v Speaker 1>first time we go out like air on the side

0:38:13.320 --> 0:38:16.600
<v Speaker 1>of caution, air on the side of thinking it through.

0:38:17.480 --> 0:38:20.399
<v Speaker 1>And I will certainly tell you when I think that

0:38:20.480 --> 0:38:23.440
<v Speaker 1>you are good to go. That doesn't that doesn't necessarily

0:38:23.480 --> 0:38:26.600
<v Speaker 1>mean you have to follow that order, like you can

0:38:26.719 --> 0:38:28.319
<v Speaker 1>judge it for yourself. But I'll let you know when

0:38:28.360 --> 0:38:30.799
<v Speaker 1>I think you're good to go. But if the if

0:38:30.840 --> 0:38:33.600
<v Speaker 1>the turkey is in the decoys, if he is making

0:38:33.640 --> 0:38:35.920
<v Speaker 1>contact with the decoys, if he's doing a dance with

0:38:35.920 --> 0:38:38.400
<v Speaker 1>with where we set our decoys up, he'll be killable

0:38:38.760 --> 0:38:45.719
<v Speaker 1>range pretty shotgun. So that's really really what the consideration

0:38:45.760 --> 0:38:47.799
<v Speaker 1>is in terms of effective range and what we really

0:38:47.800 --> 0:38:53.879
<v Speaker 1>want to see. There is there is oh lord, there's

0:38:54.640 --> 0:38:59.080
<v Speaker 1>the chis. Those are those are farm turkeys. We I

0:38:59.120 --> 0:39:01.960
<v Speaker 1>don't even understand what to do with this turkey. That

0:39:02.120 --> 0:39:05.600
<v Speaker 1>is the craziest looking turkey that I've ever seen. Dude,

0:39:05.840 --> 0:39:09.879
<v Speaker 1>It's like oh man, that is the wildest. I gotta

0:39:09.920 --> 0:39:12.399
<v Speaker 1>keep my phone out. I don't know what to say

0:39:12.440 --> 0:39:19.279
<v Speaker 1>about it. It's like mutant turkey. All right, that's it,

0:39:21.640 --> 0:39:29.359
<v Speaker 1>Oh mutant turkey, right you once but again, I hope

0:39:29.400 --> 0:39:32.120
<v Speaker 1>for everybody's tracking here, I know that this is These

0:39:32.160 --> 0:39:35.480
<v Speaker 1>are the essential parts, you know, of of mentoring someone.

0:39:36.000 --> 0:39:38.360
<v Speaker 1>These are not the exciting parts, but they are the

0:39:38.480 --> 0:39:42.000
<v Speaker 1>essential parts of of like I said, getting to know someone,

0:39:42.080 --> 0:39:46.040
<v Speaker 1>having them, getting to know you, you know, articulating yourself

0:39:46.120 --> 0:39:49.160
<v Speaker 1>in a way that they can understand. And also, hopefully,

0:39:49.160 --> 0:39:51.200
<v Speaker 1>Phil I made you feel like you could ask questions

0:39:51.280 --> 0:39:54.320
<v Speaker 1>and there was no dumb question hopefully. Uh yeah, I know.

0:39:54.440 --> 0:39:55.799
<v Speaker 1>And one thing you just said a few minutes ago,

0:39:55.840 --> 0:39:57.200
<v Speaker 1>it's about hell not you don't want to try to

0:39:57.239 --> 0:39:59.400
<v Speaker 1>overload someone with information. I never got that at all.

0:39:59.480 --> 0:40:01.759
<v Speaker 1>You kind of just let me feel it out through

0:40:01.800 --> 0:40:03.640
<v Speaker 1>in a tip here and there. But it was never

0:40:03.640 --> 0:40:05.719
<v Speaker 1>sort of like do this, do this, do this, do this,

0:40:06.000 --> 0:40:07.520
<v Speaker 1>because if if you if you had done that, I

0:40:07.560 --> 0:40:10.279
<v Speaker 1>would have kind of probably walked shut down a little bit.

0:40:11.480 --> 0:40:15.080
<v Speaker 1>I've been too worried about screwing up. So yeah, So

0:40:15.120 --> 0:40:17.880
<v Speaker 1>now we're headed out hunting the next day, so a

0:40:17.920 --> 0:40:21.760
<v Speaker 1>spot that I'd been and never killed a turkey, talked

0:40:21.800 --> 0:40:24.799
<v Speaker 1>it up a lot. This is it. This is the

0:40:24.840 --> 0:40:32.920
<v Speaker 1>moment that all of all of my talking and just

0:40:33.120 --> 0:40:36.320
<v Speaker 1>grandeur about turkey hunting was going to come to fruition.

0:40:37.200 --> 0:40:40.440
<v Speaker 1>There was gonna be gobbles everywhere. It would be an

0:40:40.480 --> 0:40:45.799
<v Speaker 1>early morning, just crisp morning birds everywhere. You get to

0:40:45.960 --> 0:40:50.560
<v Speaker 1>see that natural world come to life in the springtime.

0:40:51.440 --> 0:40:54.760
<v Speaker 1>You get to just feel the energy of the turkey woods.

0:40:54.960 --> 0:40:57.240
<v Speaker 1>And this was in my mind what was going to happen,

0:40:58.160 --> 0:41:01.960
<v Speaker 1>and that we were going to have this indoctrination into

0:41:02.000 --> 0:41:07.000
<v Speaker 1>this cult like mentality. Phil will is finally gonna be

0:41:07.080 --> 0:41:10.520
<v Speaker 1>a part of the tent legion. Okay, fail, what do

0:41:10.520 --> 0:41:14.879
<v Speaker 1>you think, buddy, h it's not it's not too cold,

0:41:14.920 --> 0:41:20.600
<v Speaker 1>which is great. That's a good commentary, first thought. Wom

0:41:20.680 --> 0:41:24.520
<v Speaker 1>in Montana. Yeah, that's a good thing. Well, we're going

0:41:24.640 --> 0:41:28.799
<v Speaker 1>right over here. Okay, there's a river which will go

0:41:28.880 --> 0:41:33.400
<v Speaker 1>un named, that goes obviously right here, and there's a

0:41:33.440 --> 0:41:35.200
<v Speaker 1>bunch of good roots and trees right on the river.

0:41:35.480 --> 0:41:39.600
<v Speaker 1>The situation is we gotta go about quarter of a

0:41:39.640 --> 0:41:42.640
<v Speaker 1>mile to get to where I think they'll be and

0:41:42.760 --> 0:41:47.080
<v Speaker 1>listen for him to be goblin in the tree. Big

0:41:47.120 --> 0:41:51.080
<v Speaker 1>problem here is they'll be in a tree of the

0:41:51.120 --> 0:41:55.719
<v Speaker 1>time on private land, so we gotta it sounds like

0:41:55.760 --> 0:41:58.920
<v Speaker 1>a turkey and have big plastic things that looks like

0:41:58.920 --> 0:42:01.880
<v Speaker 1>turkeys and get him to come to us on the

0:42:01.920 --> 0:42:07.879
<v Speaker 1>public which is pretty common. So it's not academic. I've

0:42:07.920 --> 0:42:10.400
<v Speaker 1>never killed a turkey in here before, but I've been

0:42:10.440 --> 0:42:13.200
<v Speaker 1>on him every single time i've been here. So okay,

0:42:13.200 --> 0:42:17.520
<v Speaker 1>we'll stop there. That's interesting commentary by me. We'll see

0:42:17.560 --> 0:42:23.760
<v Speaker 1>what happens. Phil. I will give you a compliment. Okay, ready,

0:42:23.800 --> 0:42:28.840
<v Speaker 1>thanks man. You were you were very punctual turkey hunter. Like,

0:42:28.960 --> 0:42:33.879
<v Speaker 1>you don't know how annoying it is for someone not

0:42:33.920 --> 0:42:39.520
<v Speaker 1>to be punctual and fly down situation. Okay, good. You

0:42:39.600 --> 0:42:44.840
<v Speaker 1>were flawless the entire time you were on point. You

0:42:44.880 --> 0:42:48.160
<v Speaker 1>were very willing, you were excitable. I think I feel

0:42:48.200 --> 0:42:50.080
<v Speaker 1>like your number was pretty high by the time that,

0:42:50.680 --> 0:42:54.680
<v Speaker 1>like we were talking strategy here at the truck. Hi. Yeah,

0:42:54.800 --> 0:42:57.240
<v Speaker 1>for sure, mainly because I was just I was just thrilled.

0:42:57.239 --> 0:43:03.239
<v Speaker 1>I was spring time in Montana can be a fickle bastard.

0:43:03.560 --> 0:43:05.839
<v Speaker 1>It could be a bit, it can be it can

0:43:05.840 --> 0:43:08.040
<v Speaker 1>be a foot of snow. It can be pouring rain,

0:43:08.440 --> 0:43:11.319
<v Speaker 1>it could be lovely, it could be very windy, which

0:43:11.320 --> 0:43:16.040
<v Speaker 1>it usually is. Um but these that first morning was

0:43:16.080 --> 0:43:18.480
<v Speaker 1>just it was perfect. It was it was perfect, and

0:43:18.520 --> 0:43:20.799
<v Speaker 1>so I was just din't agree, you know, I set

0:43:20.840 --> 0:43:23.880
<v Speaker 1>my alarm, woke up. I was, I was, you know,

0:43:24.200 --> 0:43:25.879
<v Speaker 1>I was. I was ready to go. And then when

0:43:25.880 --> 0:43:28.399
<v Speaker 1>I stepped out of my car in that in that

0:43:28.560 --> 0:43:31.040
<v Speaker 1>uh that a lot we were in. It just it

0:43:31.160 --> 0:43:33.520
<v Speaker 1>just felt I was. I was looking forward to it.

0:43:33.600 --> 0:43:35.719
<v Speaker 1>I was ready for the day. It felt good. Yeah,

0:43:35.960 --> 0:43:37.880
<v Speaker 1>I build it up in my own mind as well,

0:43:37.920 --> 0:43:41.800
<v Speaker 1>and it felt good. I was ready for that first gobble.

0:43:42.320 --> 0:43:43.840
<v Speaker 1>I was ready to like put my arm in the

0:43:43.880 --> 0:43:45.760
<v Speaker 1>air and celebration the first time we heard a gobble,

0:43:46.520 --> 0:43:49.000
<v Speaker 1>and to know where these turkeys are, make a plan

0:43:50.040 --> 0:43:54.399
<v Speaker 1>and show you kind of at least the interaction, right,

0:43:54.680 --> 0:43:58.319
<v Speaker 1>the game of cat and mouse. Yeah right, we were

0:43:58.320 --> 0:44:00.719
<v Speaker 1>gonna have a nemesis to key by the end of

0:44:00.719 --> 0:44:04.560
<v Speaker 1>the day, I thought. And again, a lot of build

0:44:04.600 --> 0:44:07.080
<v Speaker 1>up here, A lot of pressure, a lot of build up,

0:44:07.080 --> 0:44:11.040
<v Speaker 1>A lot of pressure on me to to create something here,

0:44:11.080 --> 0:44:14.239
<v Speaker 1>to to show Phil exactly what hunting is and what

0:44:14.360 --> 0:44:19.360
<v Speaker 1>it's like. And I put a lot of pressure on myself. So, uh,

0:44:19.440 --> 0:44:21.520
<v Speaker 1>a lot of things happen, you know, and in hunting,

0:44:22.600 --> 0:44:26.239
<v Speaker 1>we were heading out and then my kind of my

0:44:26.480 --> 0:44:29.040
<v Speaker 1>fatherly notion is to make sure that I have everything first,

0:44:29.080 --> 0:44:30.760
<v Speaker 1>and then to make sure Phil has everything he needs.

0:44:30.960 --> 0:44:33.960
<v Speaker 1>We got decoys, we got shotgun, we got calls, get

0:44:34.000 --> 0:44:35.879
<v Speaker 1>everything we need. And then I checked one last thing.

0:44:36.680 --> 0:44:43.160
<v Speaker 1>Phil forgot his license in the truck. We're going back.

0:44:43.200 --> 0:44:48.759
<v Speaker 1>It's only we only got fifty yards from Okay, he

0:44:48.840 --> 0:44:50.920
<v Speaker 1>forgot his license. Fine, it happens to the best of us.

0:44:51.040 --> 0:44:54.160
<v Speaker 1>It was where it was in your backpack? Yeah, yeah,

0:44:54.160 --> 0:44:57.360
<v Speaker 1>it was in my backpack. I didn't I remember to

0:44:57.400 --> 0:44:59.799
<v Speaker 1>grab it in the morning. Yeah that was good, right, Yes,

0:45:00.040 --> 0:45:02.719
<v Speaker 1>big lesson. Big lesson. Also to to go back a

0:45:02.760 --> 0:45:08.759
<v Speaker 1>couple of steps Phil when buying his license. This is

0:45:08.760 --> 0:45:10.880
<v Speaker 1>something everybody should know. Like in the state of Montana,

0:45:10.960 --> 0:45:12.799
<v Speaker 1>you can print out your license or they'll mail you

0:45:12.840 --> 0:45:15.640
<v Speaker 1>the carcass tags. There's an actual license itself and then

0:45:15.640 --> 0:45:17.799
<v Speaker 1>a carcass tag which when you fill your tag, you

0:45:17.880 --> 0:45:20.680
<v Speaker 1>notch it and that becomes the thing you attached to

0:45:20.719 --> 0:45:24.880
<v Speaker 1>the carcass hence the term carcass tag. Phil got his

0:45:25.000 --> 0:45:28.120
<v Speaker 1>license the night before the hunt, which is always what

0:45:28.239 --> 0:45:30.840
<v Speaker 1>I see most commonly people tend to do when it

0:45:30.920 --> 0:45:33.360
<v Speaker 1>is over the counter. He gets his license online and

0:45:33.400 --> 0:45:35.800
<v Speaker 1>then at the end, what happens phil you get you

0:45:35.880 --> 0:45:38.880
<v Speaker 1>get Twitter pay? Did you get confused? To ask you

0:45:38.920 --> 0:45:41.000
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of questions. One of the questions the bottom

0:45:41.160 --> 0:45:43.880
<v Speaker 1>was because I had already I had already printed my license,

0:45:44.080 --> 0:45:45.919
<v Speaker 1>and then there was one more step where it was like,

0:45:46.440 --> 0:45:49.440
<v Speaker 1>would you like to print your carcass tags now or

0:45:50.160 --> 0:45:54.280
<v Speaker 1>have f WP mail them to you? And just I, obviously,

0:45:54.280 --> 0:45:56.120
<v Speaker 1>if I had spent ten seconds thinking about it, I

0:45:56.160 --> 0:45:58.840
<v Speaker 1>would have thought, well, I need I'm going hunting tomorrow.

0:45:59.080 --> 0:46:02.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to knee these carcass tags as soon as possible.

0:46:03.080 --> 0:46:05.440
<v Speaker 1>But just I just was like check marks, I just

0:46:05.480 --> 0:46:09.399
<v Speaker 1>mailed me. I was not thinking. And then as soon

0:46:09.440 --> 0:46:11.960
<v Speaker 1>as like five minutes later, I kind of I was.

0:46:12.080 --> 0:46:14.200
<v Speaker 1>I had one of those moments, just like something went

0:46:14.200 --> 0:46:16.600
<v Speaker 1>off in the back of my head like, ah, maybe

0:46:16.600 --> 0:46:19.040
<v Speaker 1>I should call Ben and see if there's a problem.

0:46:19.280 --> 0:46:20.920
<v Speaker 1>I was like, that's gonna be a problem and you're

0:46:20.920 --> 0:46:23.200
<v Speaker 1>gonna need those. But luckily Ben made some phone calls.

0:46:23.880 --> 0:46:26.360
<v Speaker 1>I was able to go to the local sportsman's warehouse,

0:46:26.400 --> 0:46:28.640
<v Speaker 1>and they could not have been lovelier. They were very

0:46:28.680 --> 0:46:30.680
<v Speaker 1>lovely to me on the phone. I called him, I said,

0:46:30.680 --> 0:46:32.719
<v Speaker 1>I have this fellow and they said, is it a boy?

0:46:32.760 --> 0:46:35.120
<v Speaker 1>I said, no, it's a man. It's a fellow. It's

0:46:35.120 --> 0:46:37.200
<v Speaker 1>a fellow man. She said, is this a child? I

0:46:37.200 --> 0:46:40.120
<v Speaker 1>said no, it's a man. His first hunt and he

0:46:40.200 --> 0:46:42.359
<v Speaker 1>needs a license. So they took care of you, and

0:46:42.400 --> 0:46:46.200
<v Speaker 1>then now we resume our adventure. The one thing about hunting,

0:46:46.719 --> 0:46:51.440
<v Speaker 1>at least at my case, it's really about forgetting things

0:46:52.120 --> 0:46:56.919
<v Speaker 1>and then remembering them. We're losing things and then finding them.

0:46:56.920 --> 0:47:02.320
<v Speaker 1>Were wearing thousands of dollars of gear sponsor, and obviously

0:47:02.360 --> 0:47:05.800
<v Speaker 1>we need that. We wouldn't be able to fold this turkey.

0:47:05.800 --> 0:47:08.480
<v Speaker 1>Were about to go find that stage advice fill you

0:47:08.560 --> 0:47:12.600
<v Speaker 1>remember that for next time, So off we go. The

0:47:12.680 --> 0:47:16.839
<v Speaker 1>idea was to hit up a little clearing, a little

0:47:16.880 --> 0:47:21.640
<v Speaker 1>pocket amidst the brush in this riparian zone and listen

0:47:22.000 --> 0:47:25.080
<v Speaker 1>in glass. We were pretty early again, we were probably

0:47:25.200 --> 0:47:28.040
<v Speaker 1>thirty five minutes before fly down, so we had plenty

0:47:28.080 --> 0:47:30.440
<v Speaker 1>of time, and that was by design. We had plenty

0:47:30.440 --> 0:47:32.960
<v Speaker 1>of time to get in there. Here the turkeys get

0:47:33.040 --> 0:47:37.000
<v Speaker 1>set up do whatever we needed to do to draw

0:47:37.120 --> 0:47:40.080
<v Speaker 1>them for what I thought would be from private onto public,

0:47:40.320 --> 0:47:44.920
<v Speaker 1>Like this is the game. I'm pretty sure we're gonna play, um,

0:47:44.960 --> 0:47:54.960
<v Speaker 1>and then just all hell broke loose? See amazing? Do

0:47:55.040 --> 0:47:58.880
<v Speaker 1>you guys hear any gobbles? Well, Phil, we've heard a

0:47:58.880 --> 0:48:02.360
<v Speaker 1>lot of birds this morning, your first morning turkey hunting,

0:48:03.800 --> 0:48:08.360
<v Speaker 1>but no turkeys right as far as I know, no,

0:48:08.880 --> 0:48:10.759
<v Speaker 1>And by as far as I know, I mean I

0:48:10.800 --> 0:48:14.800
<v Speaker 1>I ask you and you say no. Yeah, We're standing

0:48:14.840 --> 0:48:19.560
<v Speaker 1>in a spot where, Um, I've been haunted. I've never

0:48:19.560 --> 0:48:21.759
<v Speaker 1>shot out to turkey here, but I've hunted it by

0:48:21.840 --> 0:48:24.160
<v Speaker 1>my six or seventh time being in here hunting, I think,

0:48:25.360 --> 0:48:27.760
<v Speaker 1>And I've never not heard of turkey on the roost.

0:48:28.800 --> 0:48:31.280
<v Speaker 1>And it is just about fly down here in another

0:48:31.320 --> 0:48:34.279
<v Speaker 1>five minutes or so. Now we have not heard a

0:48:34.400 --> 0:48:39.520
<v Speaker 1>peep from a turkey. It's very demoralizing because it's kind

0:48:39.560 --> 0:48:41.120
<v Speaker 1>of like, Wow, is you gonna go to this spot

0:48:41.120 --> 0:48:45.440
<v Speaker 1>where there's turkeys in there? You know, as a turkey

0:48:45.520 --> 0:48:49.200
<v Speaker 1>hunter you have certain spots, Phil where you're basically like, yep,

0:48:49.880 --> 0:48:53.239
<v Speaker 1>at least we're gonna get some action there. Well, Phil,

0:48:53.440 --> 0:48:55.400
<v Speaker 1>this is this is when you started a spiral. I

0:48:55.480 --> 0:48:59.239
<v Speaker 1>spiraled so quickly were it wasn't even fly down yet,

0:48:59.360 --> 0:49:03.200
<v Speaker 1>But I was wrold at this point. I was not

0:49:03.400 --> 0:49:05.439
<v Speaker 1>as bummed out as you, because I think you had

0:49:06.120 --> 0:49:08.719
<v Speaker 1>obviously had more expectations than I did. But I was

0:49:08.840 --> 0:49:13.320
<v Speaker 1>expecting to hear a turkey. A turkey. We heard no turkey, none,

0:49:13.760 --> 0:49:18.600
<v Speaker 1>not a turkey, no, knowing that there were turkeys there,

0:49:19.040 --> 0:49:21.000
<v Speaker 1>like I like the way that this sets up. Their

0:49:21.120 --> 0:49:25.480
<v Speaker 1>turkeys either fly across a river to go, which they

0:49:25.719 --> 0:49:29.359
<v Speaker 1>will do, but they I knew that. I know there's

0:49:29.400 --> 0:49:32.120
<v Speaker 1>turkeys here. They're just not goblin. And as we said earlier,

0:49:32.440 --> 0:49:37.640
<v Speaker 1>it's a fine morning. There's no excuses, lovely, lovely morning.

0:49:37.719 --> 0:49:42.480
<v Speaker 1>No wind, little to no wind, probably eight to fifty

0:49:42.520 --> 0:49:48.200
<v Speaker 1>degrees right around fly down. And this is like prime time.

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<v Speaker 1>We have done everything right. You you are punctual. We've

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<v Speaker 1>we've trained, we've got the shotgun, and we've talked about scenarios.

0:49:55.400 --> 0:49:57.600
<v Speaker 1>We've got our decoys, we've got thousands of dollars of gear,

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<v Speaker 1>and here we are the precipice of greatness. And the

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<v Speaker 1>turkeys aren't gobbling. No, there's nothing that we can do

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<v Speaker 1>to make them gobble. Did I make noises at him. Phil, Oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>all kinds, all kinds of noises. Listen, and I've I've

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<v Speaker 1>been lucky enough to be to have been exposed to

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<v Speaker 1>and meet all kinds of incredible turkey collars. I saw

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of at and n W t F. There

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<v Speaker 1>was like there was a g D competition. I saw

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<v Speaker 1>people there, competition. You sounded you sounded great. You were calling,

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<v Speaker 1>You're doing all all kinds of clucks. You you broke

0:50:41.800 --> 0:50:49.280
<v Speaker 1>out the crow call, trying to get them too, shock shot, gobble, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing happened on the first Phil's first day of not

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<v Speaker 1>not like, oh did you did you have one of

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<v Speaker 1>It's far nothing, not a single one, nothing, And there

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<v Speaker 1>you know, what were we gonna do? There was nothing

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<v Speaker 1>we could do. It was pure and we've been hunting

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<v Speaker 1>for forty eight minutes and it was pure desperation. At

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<v Speaker 1>that point, I thought my entire life to that point

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<v Speaker 1>was worthless, and that these two years of hunting, of

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<v Speaker 1>knowing Phil and hunting and convincing him to go hunting,

0:51:30.160 --> 0:51:34.879
<v Speaker 1>was going to be in vain HM. Tune in next

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<v Speaker 1>time to hear what happened. In Part two of the

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<v Speaker 1>Coming of Age, tail of Phil t Engineer. Any parting

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<v Speaker 1>shots Phil before we head to the final episode. Cliffhanger. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to ask you how this feels. You're

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<v Speaker 1>setting up the final episode of The Hunting Collection, fucking

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<v Speaker 1>with a fucking with the listeners a little bit. We

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<v Speaker 1>can tell the whole story if we wanted to, but

0:52:04.320 --> 0:52:06.959
<v Speaker 1>we're not gonna tell you the whole story. It's a cliffhanger.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on, we didn't hear any turkeys the first morning.

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<v Speaker 1>Eventually we heard turkeys. I can tell you that. Whoa

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<v Speaker 1>find out next time on The Hunting Collective. Say bye Phil,

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<v Speaker 1>goodbye Clean. You're gone to your bowl where the hunt

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<v Speaker 1>collected show and calling hunters new and all the hun

0:52:28.400 --> 0:52:34.000
<v Speaker 1>collected show working pick and shuttle or working ben in hand.

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<v Speaker 1>We call regate nice and over. I'm the land. We're focused.

0:52:39.719 --> 0:52:43.360
<v Speaker 1>We're just living for the searching, dreaming of the fire

0:52:43.480 --> 0:52:48.160
<v Speaker 1>and saltic gilburn Bo. We ain't coming by to heallenge

0:52:48.239 --> 0:52:54.439
<v Speaker 1>colden Lane taking it so so we can shooes right. Clean,

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<v Speaker 1>You're gone to your bowl where the hun clegged show,

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<v Speaker 1>calling hunters new and all. The ain't no cold I

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<v Speaker 1>am told