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Speaker 1: Clean your Gun Jr. Bow Where the Uncollective show Colin

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Speaker 1: Hunters new and all uncollective show with thanks or fancs

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Speaker 1: and opinions are subjective. You're listening to the Collecting. Everybody,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the pen ultimate episode of The Hunting Collective.

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Speaker 1: I am as always been O'Brien and I'm joined in

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Speaker 1: studio by Phil t engineer Phil. How are you, sir?

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Speaker 1: Everybody knows that the pen ultimate episode is usually one

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Speaker 1: of the best of a TV show, like a series

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Speaker 1: or a season. Um, we'll see if that's the case here,

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Speaker 1: you'd never know. It could be the second the best

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Speaker 1: episode ever of this program right out. So strap in.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you're in a place where there's

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Speaker 1: any straps around, but get one and strap yourself to

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Speaker 1: wherever you're sitting. I don't know, you know, don't move

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Speaker 1: and lock in because you're about to get You're about

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Speaker 1: to get regaled with one of light like one of

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Speaker 1: the nation's most riveting coming of age tales, and that

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Speaker 1: is the tale of Filthy Engineers First Turkey Hunt. It's

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Speaker 1: gonna be I will say this, and I say much

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Speaker 1: about what happens, other than to say it's a two parter.

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Speaker 1: There are two parts. This is of course the first

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Speaker 1: of two parts, and we will reveal at some point

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Speaker 1: along the way whether Phil killed a turkey or not.

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Speaker 1: But more importantly than that, a few days back, I

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Speaker 1: shared a photo of Phil the Engineer on Instagram and

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Speaker 1: Facebook where he was holding his turkey target. Now we'll

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Speaker 1: get to what happened. How that turkey. It came to

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Speaker 1: be full of tiny little holes. But Phil, the reaction

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Speaker 1: was broad and it was interesting. People, you're a hero,

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Speaker 1: you are an inspiration. People love you. Hundreds of comments

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Speaker 1: poured in from across the world. They the globe. People

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Speaker 1: love it. Man greatest, somebody's the greatest character arc of

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Speaker 1: all time. Phil is way less of a nerd than

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Speaker 1: I originally anticipated. Still stoked on him, though, hashtag legend.

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Speaker 1: I've never I've never wanted someone I've never meant to

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Speaker 1: shoot a turkey more than I want Phil to shoot

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Speaker 1: a turkey. Good luck. Don't forget the t P Phil,

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Speaker 1: just in case. It's a good poop callback. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: really is. It's a good it's a good call back

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Speaker 1: to the show. A lot of good lucks, a lot

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Speaker 1: of yeah boys, a lot of people talking about how

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Speaker 1: you looked. Ah, what do you think about hundreds of

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Speaker 1: people commenting on your looks as opposed to your voice

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Speaker 1: because we did the voice face contest back in the infancy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: of th HC. I totally understand the fascination because I've

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Speaker 1: had the same experience. Yeah. Yeah, you you listen to

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Speaker 1: a radio show or a podcast, and you haven't You

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Speaker 1: just build up an image of somebody in your head

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Speaker 1: and then you actually see them, and it's usually disappointing.

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Speaker 1: It's This guy says, Phil looks like Steve and Yanni

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Speaker 1: are his dad's. That was a good one, and I

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Speaker 1: see it. I kind of see it. Phil looks a

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Speaker 1: lot less nerdy than I imagine. That's a compliment. I

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Speaker 1: imagine Phil is some nerdy early thirties chubby ginger with

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Speaker 1: a beard. Do you think about that? I mean, I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm offended for chubby gingers everywhere on their behalf. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, nothing wrong with the chubby ginger support for

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Speaker 1: those folks. So there there's a lot of people. Uh.

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Speaker 1: This guy says, this is the first picture I've ever

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Speaker 1: seen of Phil. Phil is not the character I drow

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Speaker 1: up in my head. Well, people actually drew you up,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think you look like what they drew

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Speaker 1: the whole point of it. My favorite comment um was

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Speaker 1: something along the lines of Phil looks less masculine than

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Speaker 1: he sounds, and he doesn't sound very masculine. This guy said,

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Speaker 1: I'll take it. He is like a small infant child,

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Speaker 1: sweet boy. I hope he has fun in his first

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Speaker 1: first time out. So thanks for all those comments. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I I could go on because there is hundreds of them.

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Speaker 1: People from across the country sent us d m s.

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Speaker 1: They sent us emails to t ac the meter to

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Speaker 1: have wasting you well and hoping that you would get

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Speaker 1: a turkey. So this is by far other than I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I think this is by far the biggest

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Speaker 1: the last thing we'll ever do, so why not be

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Speaker 1: the biggest. People are into it, Phil, People they want it.

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Speaker 1: Can you feel the pressure? I can feel it, but

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Speaker 1: But I don't mean that. I don't mean that I'm

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Speaker 1: because I I am. I am glad you're invested in

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Speaker 1: my in my in my arc, in your character, but

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Speaker 1: the greatest character arc of all time, which is essentially

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Speaker 1: just hey, Phil, have you ever gone hunting? Nope, We're

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Speaker 1: gonna take you hunting. And that was the ark. But

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Speaker 1: people love it. Yeah, well that's it. If you stretch

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Speaker 1: any small storyline now for two years, it seems like

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Speaker 1: an epic tale. Exactly where we are now. We got

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Speaker 1: a message from our friend Eric Hall. He had something

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Speaker 1: to say to say something or signing of failt Engineering

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Speaker 1: on Facebook that what's not a big siding? Yes, very rare,

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Speaker 1: you don't see it often. His numbers going up. So

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Speaker 1: looking forward to Field Turkey Hunt, the last two shows

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Speaker 1: coming up. There kind of a build up to feel

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Speaker 1: a Turkey Hunt being the last show. Yeah, that's it,

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Speaker 1: He's right, The man is right, Yes, siting a filthy

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Speaker 1: engineer like the big Foot, the lore of old Maybe

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Speaker 1: you'll will once are the show is over. Your your

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Speaker 1: legend will continue and people will continue to see you

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Speaker 1: in places where you don't exist or maybe I will

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Speaker 1: just retreat to the woods. Yeah, and a lot of

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Speaker 1: check exactly, grow a beard, yeah, grow skip pop, we

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Speaker 1: stashould come back. So let's let's lay out, Phil, what

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Speaker 1: we're gonna do here. Uh, we have it. This is

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Speaker 1: a lot of work to tell this story. And again,

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Speaker 1: as we mentioned, quite the build up. So we're going

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Speaker 1: to tell the story and its totality. We're going to

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Speaker 1: lean into a linear tale of one man and another

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Speaker 1: man and a truck in the Turkey hun and yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, like in some decoy and some

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Speaker 1: decoys we could just list there in your truck, a

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Speaker 1: cup of coffee. We're gonna lean into. We're gonna tell

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Speaker 1: you the whole story, and we're just on a little

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Speaker 1: bit different Phil and I have decided that we're going

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Speaker 1: to play our audio and and and do some color

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Speaker 1: commentary of what was happening at the time was happening. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna do some live commentary with some probably minimal

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Speaker 1: just gonna do it kind of on the fly here, yep.

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Speaker 1: And if you don't like it, cancel us, get rid

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Speaker 1: At this point, we get the worst thing could happen

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Speaker 1: As I've been saying, what kind of building a roller

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Speaker 1: coaster while we're riding it? So this is this, this

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Speaker 1: is Phil's first hunt hashtag if you're going to post

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Speaker 1: about this online hashtag Phil's first bird, okay? Is that

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Speaker 1: it was that the final hashtag on landed on Phil's

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Speaker 1: first bird? Okay? Because I think you've gone through several

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Speaker 1: a slow a video of you jumping over Yes, I

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Speaker 1: lot of people love it, dude, A lot of people

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Speaker 1: little bit about your strategy while jumping over this My

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Speaker 1: first strategy was watching you so I can learn from

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Speaker 1: your mistakes. And you you shorted it barely. I put

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Speaker 1: a foot in the wall. Yeah, there was a foot

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Speaker 1: in the water. If if, if you guys aren't haven't

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Speaker 1: we'll get to, yes, over this ditch that had filled

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Speaker 1: it's pretty majestic, uh people. One guy said, it's like

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Speaker 1: watching poetry. Such grace. I can't disagree. How are your

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Speaker 1: shape I am? I think I actually overextended my arm, somebody.

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Speaker 1: how my body works, all right. Well, All the highlights

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Speaker 1: lot of stuff happened. A lot of things have happened,

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Speaker 1: First thing we had to do was we had to

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Speaker 1: is many things. Many things are there, rusty farm implements.

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Speaker 1: There was chickens, a few chickens. It was not unlike

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Speaker 1: tucked into a hillside, it really was, with a bunch

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Speaker 1: The first turkey we saw was really emblematic of the

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Speaker 1: if I'm getting this wrong. This turkey. First picture some

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Speaker 1: flat aired public land. Peace. So you're all set up there,

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00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 1: fils that feel pretty comfortable? It does, Yes, We've We've

426
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,439
Speaker 1: finagled it, and now I'm feeling pretty good. Okay, I

427
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 1: forgot the target stand, so we're using a piece of

428
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 1: wood and a bungee cord, much like his tradition in

429
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,199
Speaker 1: the Turkey uming space. Okay, I'm gonna load this up

430
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,160
Speaker 1: for you. Phil. As soon as this action closes, it's

431
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 1: gonna be ready to fire. Now, when you're ready to shoot,

432
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: all you gotta do is push that safety and then

433
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 1: when you're ready to fire, put your finger inside the

434
00:24:54,720 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 1: trigger guard and just tell me, you know, ready to go. Okay, sound.

435
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: So here's the momentble pause like thing that I'm gonna

436
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 1: have my hand under the magazine like no, no, you're

437
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:17,120
Speaker 1: opening the further up on the flour ends. You can

438
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 1: get it the better. If you hold it right here,

439
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 1: you'll be just fine. And this is very natural. Well, well,

440
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 1: like what's happening here, You're trying to get comfortable, I think,

441
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,919
Speaker 1: and you tell me if I'm wrong immediately when I

442
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,400
Speaker 1: load a shot shell and I say it's loaded, it's

443
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:35,400
Speaker 1: ready to go. But your mood changes a little bit.

444
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 1: I mean, like your understanding now for a big loud

445
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 1: thing could happen at any time. Yeah, well even just

446
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 1: looking at that that the trigger and the trigger guard,

447
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: how how close the trigger is to the back of

448
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 1: that trigger guard area where I was like, oh, like

449
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 1: this is like a hairpin, like you barely have to

450
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 1: squeeze for it to go off. So it's I mean,

451
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,719
Speaker 1: it's you know, um, like I told you I did.

452
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:00,400
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't grow up with guns, so all

453
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 1: all this stuff, you know, being handed a shotgun when

454
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: you're thirty, it's it carries a little bit more weight

455
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: and like the context as as as an adult, more

456
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: than it would if you were you know, eight, years old,

457
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 1: So like it just kind of you know, I was

458
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 1: trying to be extra extra careful. Yeah, I mean all

459
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: the time, we've talked about this and thought about this,

460
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 1: and we talked about mentoring a lot on the show,

461
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:23,959
Speaker 1: and we've we've kind of thought through what this this

462
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 1: would be. But this is one of the main points

463
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: to remember if you are mentoring an emergent hunter is

464
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 1: as a child, you're kind of you're pretty locked in

465
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: on whoever it's mentoring you, whether it's your dad, you

466
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 1: generally have a relationship with that person, right, uncle, father, friend, whatever, um.

467
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: But you don't have a general like you have no

468
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:48,959
Speaker 1: general knowledge of the social and cultural impacts of firearms. Right.

469
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: You also just don't have a general knowledge and ways

470
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: people might die, all right, just don't sit around reading

471
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: about gun accidents or reading about mass shootings. And so

472
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 1: I'm I know that those things are baked in and

473
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: I could I could tell, and I think this is

474
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: is very normal that like when when the finality of

475
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 1: that shot shell in the chamber and me saying like

476
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: it's one you now be safe, do this, right, So

477
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 1: you're immediately there's a question, Okay, what do I do?

478
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: Where do I go elbows, hands, cheek. Where does this

479
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: all go? You know? And that's pretty natural, right, I think?

480
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: So there we go. Yeah, just don't get your This

481
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 1: action is going to come back forward and this magazine

482
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: will work in that action will work that next round

483
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 1: into the chamber. But if you're there, you're You're just fine.

484
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 1: And the goal here where this first shot was just

485
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 1: to get just to understand how everything works. No expectation, no, no,

486
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: tell me when you're ready to say, fire in the hole.

487
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:57,959
Speaker 1: Now we gotta, I gotta ready. I also didn't want

488
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 1: to shoot the gun whenever anyone was driving by. Yeah,

489
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 1: it was totally fine. The road was completely and it's

490
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: it was in a very safe zone. Yeah, yeah, but

491
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 1: you didn't want to. It was make I don't know,

492
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if self conscious conscious is the word,

493
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: but something about it just made me slightly uncomfortable. Here

494
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 1: we go, see him say win driving out of Okay,

495
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: go ahead and get set up on it with that

496
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 1: cheek on the weld. Don't put that figure near the

497
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 1: trigger until you're set up and firm. Make sure this

498
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 1: is firm against your shoulder. Okay, you're good, Go ahead

499
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: and place that finger on the trigger and pull slowly

500
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:53,479
Speaker 1: back towards you. It's a lot of power, it is.

501
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: You killed that turkey. All right, we're did that and

502
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: he didn't make it well done? What are you think they're,

503
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: Philly engineer. I that was exciting. Yeah, what a stupid

504
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: I don't I don't have a whole lot of words

505
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: right now. There. It was exciting a lot of pressure

506
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: on you to say pulling in things. Yeah, I gotta

507
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: say I did not like you running out to the microphone.

508
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: Shot shot the gun for the first time. I did that.

509
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: Every time you shot, I think, yeah, probably. Um. We

510
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: won't borrow you with the rest of the details, but

511
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: it suffice to say, like we'll talk through a little

512
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: bit of what happened, Phil, we that first shot would

513
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: have been in every shot you I think you shot

514
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: about five times or maybe seven. Think it was you

515
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: shot one. I shot one just to see. Everything was

516
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: a little bit low, a little bit to the left.

517
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: I think the first three or four shots you would

518
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: have killed the turkey. But you know, to understand, you

519
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: know where we had about an eighteen yard target again

520
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: a piece of wood bungee cord. It was kind of

521
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: on the ground. We started you on a Caldwell shooting

522
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: bench portable shooting bench that I have, and then a

523
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: hydro slid, which is like a lead sled. It's a

524
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: big shooting rest. So we started you there first, just

525
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: so you can understand the mechanics of the situation and

526
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: kind of mentally understand what's going to happen, just so

527
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: we all had that mutual understanding. And then we did

528
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: that a couple of times, took that away, brought in

529
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: a Caldwell shooting bag, just so now you could feel

530
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: the shotgun directly on your shoulder. We could talk about fit,

531
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: we could talk about points of contact, we could talk

532
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: about you know, really as as I think you could

533
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: talk about this a little bit. What came to I

534
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: think really help. He was like control of shotgun. Don't

535
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: let the shotgun control you bear down, Like make sure

536
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: you're on top of the gun, don't you know, don't

537
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: let it um, don't let her buck. I guess it'll

538
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: be a good way to say it. So talk to

539
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: talk people through how that progression went, because we went

540
00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: from just trying to understand two, just trying to control

541
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: the shotgun, but then trying to shoot for accuracy. Then

542
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: we sat you up against the gate, you know, just

543
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: like you would be up against the tree in the field,

544
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: and did some more shooting. So talk to people through

545
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:13,239
Speaker 1: how that all in your mind went. Yeah, I mean

546
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: I felt like my aim, I mean behind the gun,

547
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: I felt like I was aiming properly. Um And I

548
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: was pretty consistent with where the shots are ending up,

549
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: but it wasn't where I wanted them to end up.

550
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: It was always just slightly low and slightly to the left.

551
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: And um uh So then even even when I tried

552
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: to kind of compensate for that, which I don't I

553
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: don't know if it was the right thing to do, um,

554
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: it was still ending up kind of low and to

555
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: the left. Um So, so I think wait, and then

556
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: you came in and were like, well, I you was

557
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: I specifically doing something. I think you were telling me

558
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: that I maybe was kind of You're dumping the trigger

559
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: a little bit, which is completely natural, which jump in

560
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: the trigger just means you know, jerking it, pulling fat asked,

561
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: not smoothly pulling through right, So as you jerk the trigger,

562
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: that's going to create really a different kind of action.

563
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: And so I just talked about let's focus on other

564
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: things right, because there is there's a level at which

565
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,239
Speaker 1: when you're instructing someone or something like this, you can

566
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: get in their heads if you give them too much instruction,

567
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: you know, if you have too many things to think about.

568
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: And then and so I could just to me, it

569
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: was like, okay, let's let's because we talked about you know,

570
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: getting that taking a breath in and then when as

571
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: you let that breath out, just slowly pulling that trigger

572
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: and the surprise shot. You know, we talked about that.

573
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: But as I was watching, I'm like, well, I think

574
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,719
Speaker 1: if I just let's just talk, let's just get that

575
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: gun seated correctly in your shoulder and just control that thing.

576
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: They just just know that you're not you know, you're

577
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: not waiting for the recoil, not worried about the trigger.

578
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: You're just worried about controlling that shatkun. And then once

579
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: we kind of got there, then you're right on, you know,

580
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: And I think that's that was just you know, openly

581
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: through that process, just watching and trying to understand, and

582
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: there's never really no one way to do that. You

583
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: just gotta interpersonal. You just gotta figure it out together.

584
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: And again, if you're teaching somebody how to to go

585
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: hunt for the first time, especially they're an adult. This

586
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: is gonna happen. You have to like work with each other,

587
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: work as a team. It's not it's not boss employee.

588
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: It's two people trying to figure something out together. It's

589
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: really what this is. I was happy by the end

590
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: of the thing, and we got to go drive out.

591
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: We got to drive by the mutant Turkey on the

592
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: way back out. That's right, say goodbye, say goodbye, goodbye,

593
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: mutant Turkey, goodbye forever. So we when we were driving

594
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: out past the mutant Turkey, we did a little recording

595
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: just to talk about in the moment. So let's see

596
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: what you said. And you know, in reflection, because I

597
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: do not remember anything nice. That's what I'm saying that

598
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: I don't remember eating. So it's good. It's like, this

599
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: is a fun way to play it out. Maybe it's

600
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: not good for the audience, but for us, it's fun. Okay, Phil, Yeah,

601
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: uh all right, last shot he blew the turkey's head off.

602
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: Feeling good about that. Yes, it was a good note

603
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: to go out on. My best shot was my last shot. Um,

604
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: I just gotta remember to kind of you were telling

605
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: me to bear down a little bit, keep that gun tight,

606
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: tight to my my my shoulder, and uh and aim

607
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 1: a little higher. I guess that was kind of what

608
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: I did on that last last shot. So well, I mean,

609
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: that's it, man, That's why you come out here so

610
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 1: you can learn a little bit and experience it. And

611
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: if you all but one of your shots, you would

612
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: have killed the turkey. So for your first time really

613
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: doing this, that's that's like I said, I'm not worried

614
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: at all. I have no concerns about the turkeys and

615
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: what they'll do after Philly Engineer pulls the trigger, except

616
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 1: the real ones will be like presumably walking around and moving,

617
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: so that's that'll be another wrinkle. But I think I

618
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: think I'm ready. I think you're ready to what questions

619
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 1: you have about actual turkey hunting itself. It's kind of

620
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: going over it on the show a bunch of times.

621
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: But do you have any questions about like the scenario

622
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 1: for the morning? Yeah, I think so. I mean, so

623
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: we're gonna set up decoys, he said a twenty yards away.

624
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 1: Is there a specific moment that the turkey that will

625
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: the will the turkey be doing something specific when like

626
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 1: when it's when it's strutting or try and check out

627
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: the decoys? Am I waiting for it to kind of

628
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 1: stop and and you know, plant for a second before

629
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: I take the shot? I guess, I guess what's the

630
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 1: opportune moment to actually take the shot other than having

631
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 1: a clear sightline and and you know, knowing the target

632
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 1: and everything. Yeah, so it all depends on how it

633
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: happens for your first turkey hunt. If it doesn't go

634
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 1: the way we wanted to go, we're just not gonna

635
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: shoot like that. You know. If if he comes in

636
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: he gets nervous and starts running around the circles and

637
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:41,919
Speaker 1: looks like he starts putting and looks like he wants

638
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: to roll out, we're just gonna let him go. You know,

639
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 1: We're not gonna rush anything. We're not gonna be unethical.

640
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: We're not going to force a shot if we don't

641
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: need to. So the perfect scenario is when we set

642
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: these decoys up, we're gonna set them up in such

643
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: a way that he has to come where we'll set

644
00:35:58,280 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: up I know, this little meadow where we're gonna go.

645
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: We're to set up the decoys where he basically in

646
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: almost all scenarios, probably nine out of the ten scenarios

647
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: where a turkey might approach, He's gonna have to come

648
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: past us to get to the decoys. Okay, and for

649
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: a for a myriad of reasons, but really because I

650
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 1: want him to be focused on the decoys and walk

651
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: and looking towards the decoys. And we're not on the

652
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 1: other side of those decoys, right, So we're gonna set

653
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 1: up so he has to come past us. So generally,

654
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,240
Speaker 1: once it wants a full strut turkey or a gobbler

655
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 1: or you know, any turkey that's interested in decoys, once

656
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,399
Speaker 1: they get full lock in on on a decoy, they

657
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: want to come. And I'm not gonna say you can

658
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: almost do You can't do anything, but you can move

659
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: around a little bit, you can adjust a little bit.

660
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: I mean people, you know, in those situations draw a bow.

661
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: So I have a full draw on a bow. That's

662
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: a lot of motion that you all need to have.

663
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 1: So when that turkey comes in, you're gonna be set

664
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: up already like we just worre. You'll be sitting on

665
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: against the tree, you'll have three points of contact, you'll

666
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,760
Speaker 1: be ready to go. You'll be putting that site picture

667
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: in your mind and getting ready to literally just click

668
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: the safety off and when I tell you to shoot,

669
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 1: you let it go. What you're looking for turkey wise,

670
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: there's a couple of things we can do. He's in

671
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: full strut, his his feathers kind of fluff up right,

672
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: his his body kind of blows up, he lifts his wings,

673
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: his tail fan is kind of up in the air,

674
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: and his head is tucked into his body, right, And

675
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: so it's not a full you know that that target

676
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: we're just shooting at is just a full turkey's head,

677
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: and that's it in that case, when his head is

678
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: tucked into his body. Certainly I've shot turkeys like that.

679
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: What I would would like to do is I'll probably

680
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: throw out a few clucks or just like one noise

681
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: to get him to poke his head up, and then

682
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: I'll tell you to kill him. So when he puts

683
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: his head up to look around, like what was that,

684
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: then you have a full clear picture of that turkey,

685
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: hopefully a silhouetted head just like you had in that target.

686
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: And so that's what we're looking for now. If we

687
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: don't get that, if he's coming to the decoys, he

688
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: sees something weird and he skirts so and he's around

689
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: it like thirty or forty yards and he just won't

690
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: come in. We can talk about it. At that point,

691
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: I'll say you comfortable, Like thirty yards, I think you

692
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 1: can kill him, Like, are you comfortable? And in the

693
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 1: first time we go out like air on the side

694
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: of caution, air on the side of thinking it through.

695
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,399
Speaker 1: And I will certainly tell you when I think that

696
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: you are good to go. That doesn't that doesn't necessarily

697
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: mean you have to follow that order, like you can

698
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 1: judge it for yourself. But I'll let you know when

699
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 1: I think you're good to go. But if the if

700
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: the turkey is in the decoys, if he is making

701
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: contact with the decoys, if he's doing a dance with

702
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: with where we set our decoys up, he'll be killable

703
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: range pretty shotgun. So that's really really what the consideration

704
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 1: is in terms of effective range and what we really

705
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:53,879
Speaker 1: want to see. There is there is oh lord, there's

706
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: the chis. Those are those are farm turkeys. We I

707
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: don't even understand what to do with this turkey. That

708
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: is the craziest looking turkey that I've ever seen. Dude,

709
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:09,879
Speaker 1: It's like oh man, that is the wildest. I gotta

710
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,399
Speaker 1: keep my phone out. I don't know what to say

711
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: about it. It's like mutant turkey. All right, that's it,

712
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 1: Oh mutant turkey, right you once but again, I hope

713
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: for everybody's tracking here, I know that this is These

714
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: are the essential parts, you know, of of mentoring someone.

715
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 1: These are not the exciting parts, but they are the

716
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: essential parts of of like I said, getting to know someone,

717
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: having them, getting to know you, you know, articulating yourself

718
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: in a way that they can understand. And also, hopefully,

719
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: Phil I made you feel like you could ask questions

720
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 1: and there was no dumb question hopefully. Uh yeah, I know.

721
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: And one thing you just said a few minutes ago,

722
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: it's about hell not you don't want to try to

723
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 1: overload someone with information. I never got that at all.

724
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: You kind of just let me feel it out through

725
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: in a tip here and there. But it was never

726
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: sort of like do this, do this, do this, do this,

727
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: because if if you if you had done that, I

728
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 1: would have kind of probably walked shut down a little bit.

729
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: I've been too worried about screwing up. So yeah, So

730
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: now we're headed out hunting the next day, so a

731
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,760
Speaker 1: spot that I'd been and never killed a turkey, talked

732
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 1: it up a lot. This is it. This is the

733
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 1: moment that all of all of my talking and just

734
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 1: grandeur about turkey hunting was going to come to fruition.

735
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: There was gonna be gobbles everywhere. It would be an

736
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 1: early morning, just crisp morning birds everywhere. You get to

737
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: see that natural world come to life in the springtime.

738
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,760
Speaker 1: You get to just feel the energy of the turkey woods.

739
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,240
Speaker 1: And this was in my mind what was going to happen,

740
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: and that we were going to have this indoctrination into

741
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: this cult like mentality. Phil will is finally gonna be

742
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: a part of the tent legion. Okay, fail, what do

743
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 1: you think, buddy, h it's not it's not too cold,

744
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: which is great. That's a good commentary, first thought. Wom

745
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: in Montana. Yeah, that's a good thing. Well, we're going

746
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: right over here. Okay, there's a river which will go

747
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: un named, that goes obviously right here, and there's a

748
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: bunch of good roots and trees right on the river.

749
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: The situation is we gotta go about quarter of a

750
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: mile to get to where I think they'll be and

751
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: listen for him to be goblin in the tree. Big

752
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: problem here is they'll be in a tree of the

753
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 1: time on private land, so we gotta it sounds like

754
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: a turkey and have big plastic things that looks like

755
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: turkeys and get him to come to us on the

756
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:07,879
Speaker 1: public which is pretty common. So it's not academic. I've

757
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: never killed a turkey in here before, but I've been

758
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: on him every single time i've been here. So okay,

759
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: we'll stop there. That's interesting commentary by me. We'll see

760
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:23,760
Speaker 1: what happens. Phil. I will give you a compliment. Okay, ready,

761
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: thanks man. You were you were very punctual turkey hunter. Like,

762
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:33,879
Speaker 1: you don't know how annoying it is for someone not

763
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: to be punctual and fly down situation. Okay, good. You

764
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 1: were flawless the entire time you were on point. You

765
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: were very willing, you were excitable. I think I feel

766
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: like your number was pretty high by the time that,

767
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: like we were talking strategy here at the truck. Hi. Yeah,

768
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,240
Speaker 1: for sure, mainly because I was just I was just thrilled.

769
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: I was spring time in Montana can be a fickle bastard.

770
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 1: It could be a bit, it can be it can

771
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: be a foot of snow. It can be pouring rain,

772
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 1: it could be lovely, it could be very windy, which

773
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: it usually is. Um but these that first morning was

774
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: just it was perfect. It was it was perfect, and

775
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 1: so I was just din't agree, you know, I set

776
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 1: my alarm, woke up. I was, I was, you know,

777
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 1: I was. I was ready to go. And then when

778
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,399
Speaker 1: I stepped out of my car in that in that

779
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 1: uh that a lot we were in. It just it

780
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: just felt I was. I was looking forward to it.

781
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: I was ready for the day. It felt good. Yeah,

782
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: I build it up in my own mind as well,

783
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 1: and it felt good. I was ready for that first gobble.

784
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 1: I was ready to like put my arm in the

785
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,760
Speaker 1: air and celebration the first time we heard a gobble,

786
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: and to know where these turkeys are, make a plan

787
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:54,399
Speaker 1: and show you kind of at least the interaction, right,

788
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 1: the game of cat and mouse. Yeah right, we were

789
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: gonna have a nemesis to key by the end of

790
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: the day, I thought. And again, a lot of build

791
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: up here, A lot of pressure, a lot of build up,

792
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: A lot of pressure on me to to create something here,

793
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 1: to to show Phil exactly what hunting is and what

794
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 1: it's like. And I put a lot of pressure on myself. So, uh,

795
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: a lot of things happen, you know, and in hunting,

796
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: we were heading out and then my kind of my

797
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: fatherly notion is to make sure that I have everything first,

798
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:30,760
Speaker 1: and then to make sure Phil has everything he needs.

799
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: We got decoys, we got shotgun, we got calls, get

800
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,879
Speaker 1: everything we need. And then I checked one last thing.

801
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: Phil forgot his license in the truck. We're going back.

802
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: It's only we only got fifty yards from Okay, he

803
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: forgot his license. Fine, it happens to the best of us.

804
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: It was where it was in your backpack? Yeah, yeah,

805
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 1: it was in my backpack. I didn't I remember to

806
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 1: grab it in the morning. Yeah that was good, right, Yes,

807
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: big lesson. Big lesson. Also to to go back a

808
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: couple of steps Phil when buying his license. This is

809
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: something everybody should know. Like in the state of Montana,

810
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 1: you can print out your license or they'll mail you

811
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: the carcass tags. There's an actual license itself and then

812
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: a carcass tag which when you fill your tag, you

813
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: notch it and that becomes the thing you attached to

814
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 1: the carcass hence the term carcass tag. Phil got his

815
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: license the night before the hunt, which is always what

816
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 1: I see most commonly people tend to do when it

817
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 1: is over the counter. He gets his license online and

818
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 1: then at the end, what happens phil you get you

819
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: get Twitter pay? Did you get confused? To ask you

820
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: a bunch of questions. One of the questions the bottom

821
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 1: was because I had already I had already printed my license,

822
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:45,919
Speaker 1: and then there was one more step where it was like,

823
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: would you like to print your carcass tags now or

824
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:54,280
Speaker 1: have f WP mail them to you? And just I, obviously,

825
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: if I had spent ten seconds thinking about it, I

826
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 1: would have thought, well, I need I'm going hunting tomorrow.

827
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: I'm going to knee these carcass tags as soon as possible.

828
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 1: But just I just was like check marks, I just

829
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 1: mailed me. I was not thinking. And then as soon

830
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: as like five minutes later, I kind of I was.

831
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: I had one of those moments, just like something went

832
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: off in the back of my head like, ah, maybe

833
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: I should call Ben and see if there's a problem.

834
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: I was like, that's gonna be a problem and you're

835
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: gonna need those. But luckily Ben made some phone calls.

836
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 1: I was able to go to the local sportsman's warehouse,

837
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: and they could not have been lovelier. They were very

838
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: lovely to me on the phone. I called him, I said,

839
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 1: I have this fellow and they said, is it a boy?

840
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: I said, no, it's a man. It's a fellow. It's

841
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: a fellow man. She said, is this a child? I

842
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: said no, it's a man. His first hunt and he

843
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 1: needs a license. So they took care of you, and

844
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: then now we resume our adventure. The one thing about hunting,

845
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: at least at my case, it's really about forgetting things

846
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:56,919
Speaker 1: and then remembering them. We're losing things and then finding them.

847
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:02,320
Speaker 1: Were wearing thousands of dollars of gear sponsor, and obviously

848
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 1: we need that. We wouldn't be able to fold this turkey.

849
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: Were about to go find that stage advice fill you

850
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: remember that for next time, So off we go. The

851
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 1: idea was to hit up a little clearing, a little

852
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: pocket amidst the brush in this riparian zone and listen

853
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: in glass. We were pretty early again, we were probably

854
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: thirty five minutes before fly down, so we had plenty

855
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: of time, and that was by design. We had plenty

856
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: of time to get in there. Here the turkeys get

857
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: set up do whatever we needed to do to draw

858
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: them for what I thought would be from private onto public,

859
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: Like this is the game. I'm pretty sure we're gonna play, um,

860
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: and then just all hell broke loose? See amazing? Do

861
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 1: you guys hear any gobbles? Well, Phil, we've heard a

862
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 1: lot of birds this morning, your first morning turkey hunting,

863
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 1: but no turkeys right as far as I know, no,

864
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 1: And by as far as I know, I mean I

865
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 1: I ask you and you say no. Yeah, We're standing

866
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: in a spot where, Um, I've been haunted. I've never

867
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 1: shot out to turkey here, but I've hunted it by

868
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: my six or seventh time being in here hunting, I think,

869
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,760
Speaker 1: And I've never not heard of turkey on the roost.

870
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,280
Speaker 1: And it is just about fly down here in another

871
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 1: five minutes or so. Now we have not heard a

872
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: peep from a turkey. It's very demoralizing because it's kind

873
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: of like, Wow, is you gonna go to this spot

874
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 1: where there's turkeys in there? You know, as a turkey

875
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: hunter you have certain spots, Phil where you're basically like, yep,

876
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 1: at least we're gonna get some action there. Well, Phil,

877
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 1: this is this is when you started a spiral. I

878
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: spiraled so quickly were it wasn't even fly down yet,

879
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: But I was wrold at this point. I was not

880
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,439
Speaker 1: as bummed out as you, because I think you had

881
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: obviously had more expectations than I did. But I was

882
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 1: expecting to hear a turkey. A turkey. We heard no turkey, none,

883
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: not a turkey, no, knowing that there were turkeys there,

884
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: like I like the way that this sets up. Their

885
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: turkeys either fly across a river to go, which they

886
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 1: will do, but they I knew that. I know there's

887
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: turkeys here. They're just not goblin. And as we said earlier,

888
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: it's a fine morning. There's no excuses, lovely, lovely morning.

889
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: No wind, little to no wind, probably eight to fifty

890
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: degrees right around fly down. And this is like prime time.

891
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,879
Speaker 1: We have done everything right. You you are punctual. We've

892
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 1: we've trained, we've got the shotgun, and we've talked about scenarios.

893
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: We've got our decoys, we've got thousands of dollars of gear,

894
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: and here we are the precipice of greatness. And the

895
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: turkeys aren't gobbling. No, there's nothing that we can do

896
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,760
Speaker 1: to make them gobble. Did I make noises at him. Phil, Oh, yeah,

897
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: all kinds, all kinds of noises. Listen, and I've I've

898
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: been lucky enough to be to have been exposed to

899
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: and meet all kinds of incredible turkey collars. I saw

900
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: a bunch of at and n W t F. There

901
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: was like there was a g D competition. I saw

902
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: people there, competition. You sounded you sounded great. You were calling,

903
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 1: You're doing all all kinds of clucks. You you broke

904
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:49,280
Speaker 1: out the crow call, trying to get them too, shock shot, gobble, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing.

905
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: Nothing happened on the first Phil's first day of not

906
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:58,320
Speaker 1: not like, oh did you did you have one of

907
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:04,240
Speaker 1: It's far nothing, not a single one, nothing, And there

908
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: you know, what were we gonna do? There was nothing

909
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 1: we could do. It was pure and we've been hunting

910
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: for forty eight minutes and it was pure desperation. At

911
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 1: that point, I thought my entire life to that point

912
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: was worthless, and that these two years of hunting, of

913
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:28,800
Speaker 1: knowing Phil and hunting and convincing him to go hunting,

914
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:34,879
Speaker 1: was going to be in vain HM. Tune in next

915
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: time to hear what happened. In Part two of the

916
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: Coming of Age, tail of Phil t Engineer. Any parting

917
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 1: shots Phil before we head to the final episode. Cliffhanger. Wow,

918
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 1: I just want to ask you how this feels. You're

919
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: setting up the final episode of The Hunting Collection, fucking

920
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: with a fucking with the listeners a little bit. We

921
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 1: can tell the whole story if we wanted to, but

922
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,959
Speaker 1: we're not gonna tell you the whole story. It's a cliffhanger.

923
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 1: Come on, we didn't hear any turkeys the first morning.

924
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: Eventually we heard turkeys. I can tell you that. Whoa

925
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: find out next time on The Hunting Collective. Say bye Phil,

926
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 1: goodbye Clean. You're gone to your bowl where the hunt

927
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 1: collected show and calling hunters new and all the hun

928
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: collected show working pick and shuttle or working ben in hand.

929
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: We call regate nice and over. I'm the land. We're focused.

930
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 1: We're just living for the searching, dreaming of the fire

931
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 1: and saltic gilburn Bo. We ain't coming by to heallenge

932
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:54,439
Speaker 1: colden Lane taking it so so we can shooes right. Clean,

933
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: You're gone to your bowl where the hun clegged show,

934
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 1: calling hunters new and all. The ain't no cold I

935
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,240
Speaker 1: am told