Speaker 1: I fell into the hands of corrupt detective. I was
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Speaker 1: just present all of my proof of actual innocence, that
Speaker 1: they would investigate adequately, and so that I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: going to prison because I was a good person. I
Speaker 1: hadn't do anything wrong. In the back of your mind,
Speaker 1: you say, well, when we go to a hearing or
Speaker 1: we go to court, the truth will come out. The
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to ronfal Conviction with Jason Flam Today. I'm
Speaker 1: interviewing someone who I have a great deal of respect
Speaker 1: and admiration for, Dusty Turner. On June ninety, one year
Speaker 1: old PREMN student went missing while vacationing with family friends
Speaker 1: at Virginia Beach. Twenty one year old Jennifer Evans abducted
Speaker 1: and murdered while vacationing in Virginia Beach that Sunday night,
Speaker 1: Jennifer Evans left the now defunct Biou nightclub with former
Speaker 1: Navy Seal trainee Dustin Turner. Police say the two got
Speaker 1: in the car with another Seal trainee, Billy Joe Brown.
Speaker 1: Police found her body nine days later in this wooded
Speaker 1: area of Newport News. She had been strangled. Both men
Speaker 1: blamed each other in court. Turner was sentenced to eighty
Speaker 1: two years and Brown to seventy two years. Both sentenced
Speaker 1: to spend the rest of their lives in prison, but
Speaker 1: the appeals continued through this year. When Brown told police
Speaker 1: he was solely responsible for Jennifer's death, the confession gave
Speaker 1: Dustin Turner one last chance to walk free. The Virginia
Speaker 1: Supreme Court ruled unanimously Friday against Dusty Turner's petition for exoneration.
Speaker 1: That really means Turner in another Seal trainee, Billy Joe Brown,
Speaker 1: will spend the rest of their lives in prison for
Speaker 1: the murder of Jennifer Evan. Dusty, welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: The reason you're hearing him sound sort of like he's
Speaker 1: on another planet is because he is. He's in prison
Speaker 1: in Virginia where he's been locked up for twenty two
Speaker 1: years for a crime he had nothing to do with.
Speaker 1: It's a complicated case and a very tragic situation because
Speaker 1: Dusty had just completed the training to be a Navy
Speaker 1: Seal when he was arrested for a murder that he
Speaker 1: didn't commit. And Dusty, let's go back to that. When
Speaker 1: did you sign up for the Navy? What made you
Speaker 1: want to serve your country? Well, my, uh, my family
Speaker 1: has been in the military, my father, my stepfather, and
Speaker 1: my my brother. My older brother he was in the
Speaker 1: Navy before me, and I guess I just have always
Speaker 1: had that appeal for the military to my country, right,
Speaker 1: But you took it to another level going through that
Speaker 1: Navy Seal training. That is the most extreme thing you
Speaker 1: can do, right. Seals and Rangers are the most elite
Speaker 1: troops that we have, and so you decided to subject
Speaker 1: yourself to basically torture in order to really become a machine. Right, Yes,
Speaker 1: I guess that's right. You know, initially when I first
Speaker 1: signed up to the military, the Navy, I wanted to
Speaker 1: be a diver. I was the scuba diving for fifteen
Speaker 1: years and befool I was under the with COVID DELAYE
Speaker 1: interry program and the before actually arrived at boot camp
Speaker 1: by sit mynd fights on becoming a still I don't
Speaker 1: know really what it is. It drove me so much,
Speaker 1: but I just wanted to be in the most uh
Speaker 1: elite the unit that I could be in order to
Speaker 1: fight from my huntry. And ironically this all went horribly wrong.
Speaker 1: And there's a connection. There's a very strong connection to
Speaker 1: the training because of the fact that it was that
Speaker 1: faithful night when you were out with your training buddy
Speaker 1: when all of this tragedy began. Your training partner was
Speaker 1: Billy Brown, right, Yes, Billy Brown and I were paired
Speaker 1: together early on in buds training and throughout the entire
Speaker 1: Shield training we were paired up. And actually the only
Speaker 1: reason we're paired up at the beginning is because we're
Speaker 1: the same height and as fate would have it. That's
Speaker 1: why we were paired up. Why does that matter, Well,
Speaker 1: the everyone is assigned to a boat crew in buds.
Speaker 1: Training in your boat crew is dependent upon height, and
Speaker 1: so we were in the same boat crew, were the
Speaker 1: same height. One of structures that you and you you're
Speaker 1: together now swim body And that was early in trade.
Speaker 1: And the issue was Billy was a very volatile character. Right,
Speaker 1: There's questions that have been raised as to whether he
Speaker 1: should have ever been admitted into the Navy in the
Speaker 1: first place when he had a history of well, let's
Speaker 1: just say, erratic behavior that would be concerning you would
Speaker 1: think before allowing him in to serve in that capacity.
Speaker 1: Can you talk a little bit about that. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: I didn't know about his past until after the trial.
Speaker 1: He did have a violent history, Apparently he had I
Speaker 1: thought that at least one email before he came to
Speaker 1: the military. He was discharged out of the Coast Guard
Speaker 1: before he came into the into the Navy, and he
Speaker 1: had a couple of other things on his record, which
Speaker 1: I mean, I was kind aware of the prior. You know,
Speaker 1: there's some people have said that when he wouldn't have
Speaker 1: gone through the process, get his security clearance, that they
Speaker 1: would have recognized this and then picked them out of
Speaker 1: the service. I'm not so sure if that's the case
Speaker 1: or not, but he certainly had the final path. And
Speaker 1: it is surprising, you know, in hindsight, is very surprising
Speaker 1: that he was allowed not only the military, but to
Speaker 1: uh come through into the Special Forces and Dusty so
Speaker 1: going through the training with him, I mean, you guys
Speaker 1: are taught to protect each other at all costs, even
Speaker 1: if it means risking or putting your own life in danger.
Speaker 1: Is that right? Yes? It is during the training throughout
Speaker 1: a good majority of it. If we were separated more
Speaker 1: than six ft, we would be punished for that. You know,
Speaker 1: I could trust him in the field so to speak
Speaker 1: to uh shoot over top of my back and my
Speaker 1: parachute to speak. Um. So there was a great deal
Speaker 1: of trust and a binding board for it to come
Speaker 1: with the training, right, you literally had to trust each
Speaker 1: other with your lives in a very very in a
Speaker 1: very real way. I'm bringing that up because it has
Speaker 1: a bearing on the events, the tragic events that happened
Speaker 1: on June in Virginia Beach. And I don't think anybody
Speaker 1: who hasn't been in your shoes can judge how you
Speaker 1: acted on that particular night. It's a very unique case
Speaker 1: and a very unique set of circumstances. Let's talk about that.
Speaker 1: Because you guys went out to a bar that night.
Speaker 1: The evening started innocently enough, but Billy had a drinking
Speaker 1: problem from what I've read, and apparently he got pretty blitzed.
Speaker 1: Is that right? Yeah, he had been drinking that day
Speaker 1: and it just continued end of the evening that we
Speaker 1: were at the club at nine, and he was so
Speaker 1: walk us through what happened, Dusty, because this is really
Speaker 1: the moment, right when your life was turned upside down.
Speaker 1: How did this unravel from the time you were in
Speaker 1: the club to when you ended up in the car
Speaker 1: and then ultimately what happened after that, well, you know,
Speaker 1: and started off as kind of a normal, normal evening.
Speaker 1: I've been to that club a few times previous. I
Speaker 1: was relatively new to the area in Virtnua Beach, not
Speaker 1: only been there maybe maybe three weeks. And so initially
Speaker 1: three of us guys were going to go out to
Speaker 1: do the club at nine. One of the guys ended
Speaker 1: up going and I don't know, going off with this
Speaker 1: girl friend or something. So Billy and I went to
Speaker 1: the club. It was again it was kind of a
Speaker 1: normal here Billy is drunk. Again. I kind of separated
Speaker 1: myself at the club promium and uh, I had met
Speaker 1: a very nice young lady named Jennifer Evans. We kind
Speaker 1: of hit it off. We're having a good time for
Speaker 1: sharing with each other. Felt it was what we were into.
Speaker 1: You know. She was at a college studs down in Georgia.
Speaker 1: And I generally didn't talk very open about my build experience,
Speaker 1: but with her, I did, and I opened up and
Speaker 1: I told her when I was doing there the beach. Now,
Speaker 1: mind you that I was in the club with a
Speaker 1: under age and I had a bag. I d that
Speaker 1: I got in there. You were twenty at the time, right,
Speaker 1: That was yeah, I was twenty years old. Jennifer was
Speaker 1: twenty one. And so again we you know different, I
Speaker 1: we hit it off. We had to separate ourselves from
Speaker 1: from Billy. I had met her girlfriends, her two friends
Speaker 1: as she came there with We've been out on the
Speaker 1: dance floor and uh, you know again it's it's very
Speaker 1: very normal type of evil and the last thing I
Speaker 1: was imagine with something tragic happening that night, so it
Speaker 1: put it in the night her girlfriend had left. Briefly
Speaker 1: they were going to go get some coffee, din everyone
Speaker 1: that they would be in the club. So we actually
Speaker 1: had an idea of trying to go down to the beach,
Speaker 1: picking our shoes off, and walking down on the beach.
Speaker 1: But as the night progressed and her girlfriends were going
Speaker 1: to come pick her back up at two o'clock in
Speaker 1: the morning, which is the on this club clote, Jennifer
Speaker 1: and I realized we didn't know the time to go
Speaker 1: down to the beach and then make it back to
Speaker 1: meet her girlfriends, so we stayed in the club, and
Speaker 1: in fact, we went out into the lobby where it
Speaker 1: was more quiet, and we just sat out there and
Speaker 1: had a conversation. Just previous to this, I had gotten
Speaker 1: ability to ride home with this ex girlfriend who happen
Speaker 1: to be in the club that night, Christian Posishop, and
Speaker 1: reluctantly she did agree to take him home. She was reluctant,
Speaker 1: hesitant because she knows the type of character that he
Speaker 1: is and she really didn't want to deal with him,
Speaker 1: especially because he was so drunk, which I understood, but
Speaker 1: you know, I was happy that she was willing to
Speaker 1: take come home. So I was confident that I wouldn't
Speaker 1: even see him for the rest of the night. And
Speaker 1: I was with Dinnifer, and it was closing upon two
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning. We were out in the lobby
Speaker 1: and uh we decided to go out into the parks
Speaker 1: and lots and wait for her girlfriend and sit in
Speaker 1: my car and listen to music. And so within about
Speaker 1: ten minutes, still too again, we went out to my
Speaker 1: car and we were there listen to music and looking
Speaker 1: for her girlfriends to show up at any minute. Instead,
Speaker 1: what we saw coming down to Whill was Billy Brown
Speaker 1: and he was heading towards the part. You know, I
Speaker 1: certainly wasn't expecting him. Christian was supposed to stake him home.
Speaker 1: I knew he was drunk and belligerent, but when he
Speaker 1: was approaching the vehicle, I told Jennifer, I said, look,
Speaker 1: you know this is the guy I come here with.
Speaker 1: You know he's drunk. Just just don't pay no attention
Speaker 1: to something. I've seen him in the past, especially when
Speaker 1: we were in Puerto Rico. I've seen him to witnessed
Speaker 1: him become kind of violent towards women. I didn't think
Speaker 1: that he would become violent towards dinner fer but I
Speaker 1: did assume he was at least going to be obnoxious
Speaker 1: and somewhat belligerent. So when he got into the car, wait,
Speaker 1: hold up there for a second, Dusky, what kind of
Speaker 1: car was it? So I had a small Geo Storm.
Speaker 1: So that's a small car, right, Yeah, it is very
Speaker 1: a car. And you're big guys, both of you guys are.
Speaker 1: He was bigger than I. We were both six ft
Speaker 1: two and a half, I guess, and he outweighed me
Speaker 1: by maybe maybe he did peas point pund so he
Speaker 1: was I think he was about two hundred and thirty somewhere,
Speaker 1: and that's the third pounds. He approaches the pass your
Speaker 1: side of the car and he opens the door and
Speaker 1: he kind of pushes the Varsity forward with Jennifer is sitting,
Speaker 1: he pushes the seat forward a little roughly, and he
Speaker 1: gets in the car and the back seat right behind her.
Speaker 1: Of course, his big frame compared with fit back, and
Speaker 1: this he did a very small carm. Those knees are
Speaker 1: against the back of the pert And as soon as
Speaker 1: he sits down, I turned to him and I said, Billy,
Speaker 1: what's what's going on? Was was Christian not taking you home?
Speaker 1: And he uh immediately goes into a tirade about oh
Speaker 1: screw me, that f that girl, or should you think
Speaker 1: you know blah blah, he's a nothing but a this
Speaker 1: or that. This is the last thing you want to see, right,
Speaker 1: You're having a nice moment with a girl, you have
Speaker 1: a nice connection with her. The last thing you want
Speaker 1: to see, the last thing anybody would want to see
Speaker 1: is a drunk, belligerent, violent anybody you want don't want
Speaker 1: to see anybody at that point. You just want to
Speaker 1: be in your little bubble with her, listen to music.
Speaker 1: Everything's good. I mean, you never could have predicted how
Speaker 1: bad it was going to get, but already it's bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So this is obviously, this is the crux of the
Speaker 1: situation Jennifer and having this time. We were not romantically
Speaker 1: involved at this time. Earlier I had given her on
Speaker 1: her when I thought that she was gonna leave with
Speaker 1: her girlfriends, and that's the only time we had any
Speaker 1: comfortable contact. Said, she's a very decent young lady. You know,
Speaker 1: she was a good girl with a great who was
Speaker 1: going to college. It's a very nice young lady. And
Speaker 1: so we're having a great conversation and said, here comes
Speaker 1: this drunk buddy in mine own to the car. So
Speaker 1: he's now in the back seat and is acting as
Speaker 1: you would have probably predicted that he would have act
Speaker 1: because of what you know about his character and his
Speaker 1: current state of mind. But then it gets much worse. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So after asking him why Christians taken him home, and
Speaker 1: you know, he said what he said about her, and
Speaker 1: he turned his attention to Jennifer, and uh, he made
Speaker 1: some very rude comments, if I remember correctly, said something
Speaker 1: about asking her if she was a virgin something like that.
Speaker 1: It was certainly, uh, inappropriate, and I immediately said, look, Billie,
Speaker 1: why don't you get out and go find Christians that
Speaker 1: she was taking home. And so he was not trying
Speaker 1: to hear that at all. He's like that that bitch.
Speaker 1: So again he kind of turns this pench to Jennifer
Speaker 1: in the mind you within two, three or four minutes
Speaker 1: before her girlfriends are coming to pick her up right
Speaker 1: there where we're at in the parking lot. They're supposed
Speaker 1: to ride there, and they supposed to be there and
Speaker 1: to this bot, and it has to be within a
Speaker 1: couple of minutes before two, And of course I didn't
Speaker 1: know at that point to what it transpired in the
Speaker 1: blood between him and Kristen. That made him additionally belligerent.
Speaker 1: Who turns his finch back to center her and he
Speaker 1: uh said something about her hair. He reached it up
Speaker 1: with his right hand. I don't know if he touched
Speaker 1: her her shoulder or her hair. But at that point, Jennifer,
Speaker 1: at this throughout this time, this brief a couple of minutes,
Speaker 1: he had not said a word, did not open her
Speaker 1: mouth to him or revived in him. And so when
Speaker 1: he touched her hair or her shoulder, she smacked his
Speaker 1: hand from behind, you know, swatted his hand, and that's
Speaker 1: when he snapped. So I wasn't looking directly at him
Speaker 1: when he snapped, but with all his might, he silently
Speaker 1: brushed his arms around her upper bought her neck area,
Speaker 1: and with so much force that the whole car literally
Speaker 1: say right, and I'm thinking about it, dust. He had
Speaker 1: his feet, as you said, his knees were up against
Speaker 1: the seat. And here's a big, strong pound guy who's
Speaker 1: trained to kill with his with his hands, and he's
Speaker 1: got total leverage right because he's got the knees. I
Speaker 1: mean you know it would have been nothing for him
Speaker 1: to do this, considering all of those you know, I
Speaker 1: don't you know, I don't know about saying it would
Speaker 1: have been nothing. I really don't know. I know that
Speaker 1: seemingly words coming for him. The strike that he did
Speaker 1: upon this innocent young woman was so violent that when
Speaker 1: I turned and started screaming at him, just let her go,
Speaker 1: and he's screaming me, just epan, drive and drive first,
Speaker 1: I started crying and trying to pull his arms off,
Speaker 1: over and streaming at him. This this entire great time.
Speaker 1: When this happened, Jennifer never once reached up to defend herself.
Speaker 1: It was that quick that she was out, and so
Speaker 1: I immediately grabbed his arms and I'm screaming at him
Speaker 1: just let her go, to let them and he's screaming
Speaker 1: at me, just drive, just up and drive. Only after
Speaker 1: a couple of seconds at pulling in his arms didn't marks.
Speaker 1: So I reached under his fingers literally and pride his arms,
Speaker 1: using one hand on his elbow in the other under
Speaker 1: his fingertips and pride his arms up off of her.
Speaker 1: At this point, when I dig at his arms off her,
Speaker 1: he took back in the seat and she is out.
Speaker 1: He did. Her head is built towards the passenger side window,
Speaker 1: her arms and other side she avoided herself. And I'm
Speaker 1: just complete shot and just utter confusion and disbelief. And
Speaker 1: I'm and he still he is yelling at me, just
Speaker 1: being dry and dry, dusty. I'm just thinking that. I'm
Speaker 1: just the physics of it. I mean, it would have
Speaker 1: been almost impossible for anyone, even a strong guy like yourself,
Speaker 1: to pull somebody off from the side when he's in
Speaker 1: the position like he was in, especially when it happened
Speaker 1: as quickly as it did. I mean, you really had
Speaker 1: no chance to save this poor girl. And I mean
Speaker 1: obviously you did what you could, but she had no chance.
Speaker 1: And at this point, were you concerned that he was
Speaker 1: gonna try to kill you too? No, it certainly wasn't mine.
Speaker 1: They didn't go through my head at the time. My
Speaker 1: only thought, And I think that anyone sitting in my
Speaker 1: seat would have had a same reaction. You know, one
Speaker 1: minute having a good time with a young lady, and
Speaker 1: the next minute, this guy, this violent predator, compleatly just
Speaker 1: alters history. I don't know, it's strain it. I mean,
Speaker 1: he is one act that he does. It's changes the
Speaker 1: lives of so many people, and he's drunk, and you know,
Speaker 1: I'd like to think that he really didn't know what
Speaker 1: the heck is doing. He has his past, and he
Speaker 1: has asked of the violence swords Limou, but he's been
Speaker 1: increasingly becoming an alcoholic over the last several weeks a
Speaker 1: month in which is drinking every single time. This was
Speaker 1: a bad, bad bud, not to mention the fact that
Speaker 1: he was taking terribilely leading up to this as will. Obviously,
Speaker 1: he destroyed her and killed her, and he ruined the
Speaker 1: lives of everyone who cared about her, her family, etcetera.
Speaker 1: He ruined your life, he ruined his own life. He
Speaker 1: ruined the lives of your families, right, your family, all
Speaker 1: military heroes and so yeah, in one short burst of
Speaker 1: violence that from what it sounds like, lasted only seconds,
Speaker 1: not even minutes, he managed to destroy so many people.
Speaker 1: And then that's where the story gets into a whole
Speaker 1: different phase. Right and again, I'm I can't walk in
Speaker 1: your shoes. No one can walk in your shoes with
Speaker 1: all the factors that were going on, Dusty, with the
Speaker 1: fact that you had been now trained practically indoctrinated into
Speaker 1: this idea that you must protect this guy and he's
Speaker 1: going to protect you. You know, that's just in the mix.
Speaker 1: I just want to put that in there. But besides that,
Speaker 1: you're in a state I can imagine of complete shock
Speaker 1: and panic. And who could imagine this terrible turn of events,
Speaker 1: as you said, And what a dramatic turn when it
Speaker 1: goes from what sounds like a beautiful night, a nice
Speaker 1: connection two this absolute horror that you're you've just witnessed
Speaker 1: as close and personal as you can imagine with somebody
Speaker 1: that you were supposed to trust and protect and someone
Speaker 1: else that you would have liked to protect but you couldn't.
Speaker 1: He's screaming at you to drive. What what happened? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And this is like, this is why you're in because
Speaker 1: of what you've done afterwards. And if people can't understand
Speaker 1: your reactions afterwards, the normal person would have jumped out
Speaker 1: of the vehicle and ran to find the phone or
Speaker 1: the police somewhere or tails body. Something just terrible hasn't happened.
Speaker 1: And that might be the case for most people. I
Speaker 1: don't know, but I think that's the way I reacted
Speaker 1: because it would have been different even if my own
Speaker 1: brother would have been in Billy Brown's place, I think
Speaker 1: I would have reacted differently, because, like I said, to
Speaker 1: the way I was conditions and indoctrinated at twenty years old,
Speaker 1: I reacted how I reacted. I'm not a criminal. I've
Speaker 1: never been violent. I certainly have never been violent towards women,
Speaker 1: and I'm not criminally minded. And so why is is
Speaker 1: that a twenty year old trust in this position which
Speaker 1: I should never have been in to begin with, and
Speaker 1: it had to make these kinds of decisions. And so
Speaker 1: when I realized that the first did and build my
Speaker 1: own screaming them and I really didn't know what I'm
Speaker 1: in a place in this area, Like I said, I
Speaker 1: hadn't have been and the beach for a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks and weeks fun. So I just put the car
Speaker 1: in the drive and I took off drive, and I
Speaker 1: didn't know where I was going. I didn't even know
Speaker 1: how to barely get out of the Virginia Beach area
Speaker 1: until I ended up. In fact, Bill Brown, when I
Speaker 1: started driving, he said, I turn left here, turn right there,
Speaker 1: And I ended up on sixty four, and I'm sixty four.
Speaker 1: I'm familiar with that highway, and so I just started
Speaker 1: traveling west on sixty four and I didn't know where
Speaker 1: I was going, and I just kept driving and driving
Speaker 1: until I started seeing a lot of wooded areas, and
Speaker 1: so I pulled off on an excess. Again, I have
Speaker 1: no idea where I'm at, and I'm just driving. I
Speaker 1: pulled off into another area which seemed more wooded, until
Speaker 1: I get to a more secluded area, which is not
Speaker 1: that far from here state, and both of us, myself
Speaker 1: completely get up the car. I grabbed for wrist, he
Speaker 1: grabbed her legs, and we carried her perhaps thirty art
Speaker 1: into the woods. And again I was incomplete chaotic shock,
Speaker 1: and and I didn't know what I was doing. I
Speaker 1: didn't know what else to do. And yeah, I understand
Speaker 1: that people they will look at that moment there and say,
Speaker 1: you know that, why would you do that? Why you
Speaker 1: know I would have done that? But others have popped
Speaker 1: in in my shoes. They don't understand, and perhaps I
Speaker 1: don't even understand why I reacted that would other than
Speaker 1: to say that this is kind of how I was
Speaker 1: trying to react. They didn't say in a situation which
Speaker 1: you know there's been a crime and it's a civilian
Speaker 1: who has been hurt, protect your swimboddy. Of course they
Speaker 1: didn't say that. However, now I want to understand when
Speaker 1: you go through still training today, they do have classes
Speaker 1: and training that says, look, if this type of scenario happens,
Speaker 1: you need to consider what you know, where you're at,
Speaker 1: what you're doing, and so forth, and do not protect
Speaker 1: your own body if he has done something so harnted
Speaker 1: the wrong. And that's the place today because of because
Speaker 1: of this, But Dusty, I want to bring up an
Speaker 1: important point. What is important from a legal perspective to
Speaker 1: remember is that in Virginia, hiding a body after a
Speaker 1: murder is a misdemeanor punishable by up to twelve months
Speaker 1: in jail. And that's not what you got convicted of.
Speaker 1: That's not what they wanted you for. And we're going
Speaker 1: to get to that in a minute. But that's a
Speaker 1: very important thing to remember. In certain states that's not
Speaker 1: the case. There's some states where it's treated very differently.
Speaker 1: In some states it's treated the same as murder, just
Speaker 1: you know, hiding the body after the fact. But that's
Speaker 1: the only thing that you were guilty of, and that's
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why I've dived into your case
Speaker 1: and why I'm doing everything I can to help you
Speaker 1: try to find justice, because it's obviously a terrible miscarriage
Speaker 1: of justice, the fact that you're serving time for murder
Speaker 1: when what you did was wrong, but it's not murder.
Speaker 1: So now going forward, you go back to the base,
Speaker 1: and this is big news, right the town is up
Speaker 1: in arms. Everyone's wondering what happened to this girl? And
Speaker 1: this must have been driving you crazy, right, Well, I
Speaker 1: wasn't really aware at the time of the news and
Speaker 1: the media. But what was driving me crazy. It's just
Speaker 1: having witnessed this and and and knowing about it and
Speaker 1: attempting to remain silent about it. It was, Uh. It
Speaker 1: put me in a state of almost like a zombie
Speaker 1: like state throughout the next week in which I held
Speaker 1: this specret and witness really do this terrible, terrible deed,
Speaker 1: and I had it within and and I couldn't tell anybody,
Speaker 1: and so it was it was definitely eating me up
Speaker 1: on the inside. The coming week we were up nor
Speaker 1: something uh from place called ape you doing addital training.
Speaker 1: But then I wasn't During the time, I wasn't aware
Speaker 1: of the news and the media down that pretenue to beach,
Speaker 1: but it was certainly eating you up on the inside.
Speaker 1: So your conscience got the best of you, and you know,
Speaker 1: you did the right thing after having done the wrong
Speaker 1: thing and went to the authorities, right, And that's where
Speaker 1: things get really dicey from everything I've read, where they
Speaker 1: didn't behave in a straightforward manner when it comes to
Speaker 1: how they treated you. Right. Well, first of all, you know,
Speaker 1: I did it still be defective? You know everything that
Speaker 1: they asked me. You know, at first I did not
Speaker 1: den everything, but it came to a point, especially after
Speaker 1: they had presented me with the fact that Jennifer's family
Speaker 1: is in absolute going to a traumatic breathing experience and
Speaker 1: they just want to know appen and want to know
Speaker 1: where their daughter is. And it was through this line,
Speaker 1: I think for our questioning that I asked to see
Speaker 1: my very officer, and my spirit off came in and
Speaker 1: we were alone, and I told him everything that happened,
Speaker 1: and so he said that he was gonna attempt to
Speaker 1: call the dad officer and to see what we could
Speaker 1: do as far as legally or something like that. But nonetheless,
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes later, when the Texas come in, I told
Speaker 1: him everything that they had asked, and they even asked
Speaker 1: me if I would help them first draw a map
Speaker 1: to where Gennifer's body was, which I did, I tempted
Speaker 1: to do, and then asked me if I would accompany
Speaker 1: him the help find Centifer Society, so which I did also,
Speaker 1: and I'm still my spirity officer and one of the detectives.
Speaker 1: We went to the location and we separated to search
Speaker 1: through the wood. Finally I did find her body. At
Speaker 1: that point I went back to the base. They had
Speaker 1: presented Billy Brown with the map that I had drawn.
Speaker 1: He said, look, your buddy completely just rolled on you.
Speaker 1: He told us everything you're going al You're probably gonna
Speaker 1: get the definitety whatever else. And so at that point
Speaker 1: that he began with the stories about now I had
Speaker 1: something to do with it. He later said that he
Speaker 1: was going down he didn't think me with and so
Speaker 1: he made up a story saying that we're both home. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was obviously furious because he believed that you,
Speaker 1: who was supposed to be his protector, had betrayed him.
Speaker 1: He's gonna do what he can to bring you down
Speaker 1: with him because in his twisted way of thinking, you
Speaker 1: should have covered up this murder and protected him, and
Speaker 1: so you did what you thought was right, albeit after
Speaker 1: the fact and the consequences started to become very real
Speaker 1: now from what I've read, Dusty, the detectives made certain
Speaker 1: promises to you, right that if you help them, you
Speaker 1: were going to be kind of okay, right, yeah, they
Speaker 1: think you know. They did say that. Lafter telling Muster
Speaker 1: officer what had happened, and he spoke to the Texas
Speaker 1: As will and take together. They said, look, just just
Speaker 1: answer the questions. It'll be all right. And I said,
Speaker 1: are you sure you know? And I kind of took
Speaker 1: it as a direct order from my spare offer. I said,
Speaker 1: are you sure that's what I should do them? And
Speaker 1: he said, yes, just answer the questions, be all right.
Speaker 1: I said, okay. Now, they didn't come to me and
Speaker 1: say anything like, well, for your testimony, will allow some
Speaker 1: kind of agreement or something like that. No, they never
Speaker 1: actually came to me and said that. And of course,
Speaker 1: being very ignorant of the criminal justice, you know, I
Speaker 1: didn't know that I would even need a lawyer, or
Speaker 1: they that I should remain time about certain things or
Speaker 1: where have you, but you know I will only ask
Speaker 1: them to search my vehicle. I mean, I answered the
Speaker 1: questions truthfully, and I thought that maybe what this would
Speaker 1: lead to was at some point me on a witness
Speaker 1: spand explaining as Billy Brown and being charged with her murder,
Speaker 1: that I would be explaining exactly how things happened. Maybe
Speaker 1: I was naive, but I assume, and that's a coming work.
Speaker 1: I certainly didn't assume that they were going to charge
Speaker 1: me after speaking of Billy Brown and hid the point
Speaker 1: of the fingers much Still, I certainly didn't think orge
Speaker 1: And this is an important point, Dusty, right, because the
Speaker 1: police spent forty eight hours examining your car, right, So
Speaker 1: they turned that thing upside down. And yet they never
Speaker 1: used any of the evidence from the car at trial
Speaker 1: because it wasn't gonna be favorable to them, And in fact,
Speaker 1: by not presenting the evidence at trial, they didn't have
Speaker 1: to turn over to the defense, when in fact, if
Speaker 1: they had, it would have been definitely in your favor.
Speaker 1: Because of the fact that everything you were saying makes true,
Speaker 1: that the physics of it just don't add up. Some
Speaker 1: of the things that they said. It doesn't make sense
Speaker 1: to add insult to injury and in a in a
Speaker 1: terrible call it a coincidence. The year that you were
Speaker 1: convicted was the same year that Virginia abolished parole, which
Speaker 1: is shocking to my conscience in a nation where we
Speaker 1: believe in second chances and we believe in redemption and
Speaker 1: we believe in that stuff, the idea that if you
Speaker 1: were so misfortunate as to be convicted in Virginia later,
Speaker 1: you are not eligible for parole. I wouldn't even know
Speaker 1: what parole meant. I wasn't aware, you know, today had
Speaker 1: just abolished prole Virginia. I don't think I would have
Speaker 1: would have paired. It's time. I wasn't so I gets
Speaker 1: concerned about the sentence I was given. I was concerned
Speaker 1: about the fact that I was convicted of two charges
Speaker 1: that I did not commit. Whether it gave it ten
Speaker 1: years or a hundred years, I was convicted of something
Speaker 1: I didn't commit. And that's that was the Travis. It's
Speaker 1: it's uh. I can't um I can't really imagine how
Speaker 1: that could make sense in a society like ours. But
Speaker 1: but it is in fact a reality, and it's your reality,
Speaker 1: and it's why now everyone is working so hard to
Speaker 1: help you get clemency or a pardon or a conditional
Speaker 1: pardon from the governor because of the fact that that
Speaker 1: is the only recourse left. Another thing that's of sort
Speaker 1: of a unique and to me troubling concept is the
Speaker 1: idea that you only have really one appeal of actual
Speaker 1: innocence in Virginia, right. And that's something I want to
Speaker 1: get to Dusty, because, first of all, a crazy thing
Speaker 1: happened in two thousand and two, right, which is that
Speaker 1: Billy he had some sort of an awakening and decided
Speaker 1: to come clean and tell the truth. We're talking two
Speaker 1: thousand and to fifteen years ago, right, and he recanted
Speaker 1: and admitted that he was the sole murderer. And I
Speaker 1: think people are listening now, I'm going, well, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: if that happened, why is Dusty still in prison? Can
Speaker 1: you explain that scenario? Yeah, Vokan explaient. Yes, as he
Speaker 1: sing his time and some other prison I guess some
Speaker 1: guys had approached him and got them to get into Christianity,
Speaker 1: and this allowed him to finally relieve his burden that
Speaker 1: he's been holding for all these years and to confess.
Speaker 1: And so that happened again in early two thousands, and
Speaker 1: here it is fifteen years later, and I'm still sitting here,
Speaker 1: still sitting here, after after he's come clean, after he
Speaker 1: finally said, yeah, everything that Dost just said, that's what happened,
Speaker 1: and the judge rule that he's credible in that confession.
Speaker 1: So there was no mechanisms and more recently of even
Speaker 1: getting back into court with such new evidence. But there
Speaker 1: was a time later into thousand six seven, and so
Speaker 1: we finally rid of actual innocence to the appeals court,
Speaker 1: which ended with well, the appeals court initially overturned my conversation.
Speaker 1: They did convict me of the misdemeanor accessory after the
Speaker 1: fact to the pony, which indeed I am guilty though
Speaker 1: and like you said earlier, that was a maximum sentence
Speaker 1: of twelve months in jail. Well, they made this ruling
Speaker 1: and they dropped my charges. There's a two thousand nine
Speaker 1: I'm expecting me home within a matter of days. For weeks.
Speaker 1: This is what makes me insane. And I think anybody
Speaker 1: listening is like, wait, wait, wait, So your conviction was vacated, right,
Speaker 1: and then that means to a layman who's not intimately
Speaker 1: familiar with the law or criminal proceedings. When you're convictions vacated,
Speaker 1: you have every reason to believe you're gonna go home. Right.
Speaker 1: They've actually come out and said, Okay, we are now
Speaker 1: acknowledging there is no physical evidence connecting you to this.
Speaker 1: None of this stuff adds up, right, not to the murder.
Speaker 1: Like you said, you're guilty of the accessory after the fact,
Speaker 1: and now you have the actual killer confessing in court
Speaker 1: under oath. Sounds like a winner. Right, You're going home,
Speaker 1: except for then the state decided to put it's foot
Speaker 1: back on your neck, so to speak. Right, and then
Speaker 1: what happened? Yeah, so the joint to vacated my my conviction,
Speaker 1: and I was expect to be home with the matter
Speaker 1: of day. The acting Attorney General came forward and said
Speaker 1: that he wanted to feel this decision, and so they
Speaker 1: appealed it and it went back through the Pelot Court
Speaker 1: and then on into the later into the Supreme Court
Speaker 1: in Virginia and under a new theory that one of
Speaker 1: the judges of the pilot court created, and the spread
Speaker 1: of actual innscence is so demanding as they say that
Speaker 1: the evidence has to be just as substantial as DNA evidence,
Speaker 1: which Unfortunately, there's no DNA evidence in my case. But
Speaker 1: so one of the judges says, well, although he didn't
Speaker 1: have anything to do with the murder, and this has
Speaker 1: been decided bout it, he didn't have anything to do
Speaker 1: with the murder, and he didn't restrain. This judge says, well,
Speaker 1: perhaps a jury could believe that when Dusty walked out
Speaker 1: of the bar to the parking lot to his call,
Speaker 1: that the a jury could believe that that was an
Speaker 1: abduction by deception. And if the jury believed that, and
Speaker 1: then Jennifer was later killed darlissha Power who's killed her,
Speaker 1: the u which built the guilty the jury is still
Speaker 1: find me guilty about the abduction in the murder. So
Speaker 1: they created a new theory in my face. There's just
Speaker 1: not only the asinine, but it was never presented before
Speaker 1: a jury, and there's no jury in the world they
Speaker 1: would believe this idea, especially with all the additional evidence.
Speaker 1: So under that because of that, and it's all the
Speaker 1: semantics of this word restraint, and that's what it comes
Speaker 1: down to. I'm still in prison because of the semantics
Speaker 1: of the word restraint. And it's unbelievable. So they overturned
Speaker 1: my release and then reinstated my completion. And here it
Speaker 1: is seven years later and I'm still sitting here PRIs
Speaker 1: I did not. So they're basically trying to say that
Speaker 1: they're going back in time to the going back into
Speaker 1: and trying to come up with a theory that could
Speaker 1: actually read your mind. Right, they're going back in a
Speaker 1: time machine and reading your mind and saying, well, this
Speaker 1: may have been, could have been, would have been something
Speaker 1: that he might have been thinking of doing. There's no
Speaker 1: evidence to prove it. How could anybody? I don't know.
Speaker 1: It makes me nuts. It's such a bizarre It's such
Speaker 1: a bizarre thing for a court or a judge to say.
Speaker 1: As far as I'm concerned, not think that the legislators
Speaker 1: recognized that after my case and I said, you know,
Speaker 1: this river excell inncence is obviously entirely to restricted and
Speaker 1: h to open for interpretation or whatever. And so they
Speaker 1: since I went through this river excellencence, now they've changed
Speaker 1: the law the wording of a river excellence. Instead of saying,
Speaker 1: could any jurorfying you with this? Now it's more specific,
Speaker 1: and it may sound supplicit, but it's more to this thing.
Speaker 1: Would a rational juror still find deal with this new
Speaker 1: evidence and the new wording, which I can't go back
Speaker 1: into the river of actionist because it's the one shot deal,
Speaker 1: and so I'm left hung out to draw on this
Speaker 1: on this whole time. Well, hopefully not for too long,
Speaker 1: because you have a lot of really great people on
Speaker 1: your side now, and you have a governor who cares
Speaker 1: about these issues and who has shown in actions that
Speaker 1: he believes in justice, that he believes in fairness, and
Speaker 1: that he has the courage to do something about these things.
Speaker 1: He does seem like convery fair man, and I do
Speaker 1: have hope. I do think that he will look at
Speaker 1: my case, and I know and I'm very confident that
Speaker 1: if he does, if he just looks on my case,
Speaker 1: that he realize that I'm not supposed to be here,
Speaker 1: I do have that tremendous hope that he will take
Speaker 1: action in my case. Well, Dusty, I can tell you
Speaker 1: that I think that there's a lot of reason to
Speaker 1: have have hope in this current administration that we have
Speaker 1: there because of the fact that you do have such
Speaker 1: a ground swell of support, and not only that, because
Speaker 1: of what you've done, the remarkable record of accomplishment that
Speaker 1: you've had on the inside, and I want to talk
Speaker 1: about that. I know that you know you're finding hope
Speaker 1: in a hopeless place, but I want to paint a
Speaker 1: picture for the audience of just how grim it is
Speaker 1: to be in this situation you're in, and then also
Speaker 1: what you've managed to make out of that experience. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, I've got a quote from a guy who
Speaker 1: knows suffering, and a couple of things have kept me
Speaker 1: I don't move forward and and positive. I can be
Speaker 1: one of the supporters that I do have, not just
Speaker 1: my family, but other total strangers who have reached out.
Speaker 1: And it gives me a lot of hope, and it
Speaker 1: gives me a lot of strength to endure. This is
Speaker 1: what I'm going through in this environment, and it is terrible,
Speaker 1: It's absolutely terrible. But this quote, one of my favorite quotes.
Speaker 1: It says that everything to be taken from a man,
Speaker 1: but one thing, the last of the human freedom, and
Speaker 1: that is to choose one's own attitude in any set
Speaker 1: of circumstance, choose one's own way. A man named Victor
Speaker 1: frankl And you know, I've I guess I've taken on
Speaker 1: this this attitude you know that which allowed me to
Speaker 1: persevere through through bud training to still training. I reached
Speaker 1: for this almost on a daily basis. You know. I
Speaker 1: put my feet on the ground and I said, I
Speaker 1: have to I have to continue on today, and I
Speaker 1: have to push forward, and I can't allow this environment
Speaker 1: to get the best of and I want to transcend
Speaker 1: in spite of where I'm at. And so I've looked
Speaker 1: to try to do things to try to help out
Speaker 1: not only the people around me in my environment for years,
Speaker 1: and I've helped guys who struggled with a drug addition
Speaker 1: or criminal thinking. And I've just kind of made it
Speaker 1: a part of my own character to trying to help
Speaker 1: you guys and to move past, transcend some of these
Speaker 1: things in which they've been stuck in. And not only that.
Speaker 1: Proposed a dog training program. That's the last institution that
Speaker 1: I was in. It was luckily it was to prove
Speaker 1: and we had the dogs come in and for about
Speaker 1: three years I was able to be a dog trainer.
Speaker 1: And I had studied and read up and learned so
Speaker 1: much about training dogs and I really enjoyed them. And
Speaker 1: how does that training program work, Dusty? The dogs are
Speaker 1: they rescue dogs and what happens to them after they're trained, right,
Speaker 1: So these are absolutely rescued dogs. These were abandoned. We
Speaker 1: worked with a shelter out of Ashley, Virginia called Bark
Speaker 1: the a r COM and that's the Abandoned Adoption and
Speaker 1: Rescued KANUS really great orderzation and they would bring us
Speaker 1: six dogs at time and we would have them for
Speaker 1: three months and we had my total was a twelve
Speaker 1: dog trainers too free stalls and we were trained the dogs,
Speaker 1: these dogs that were abandoned and you never know what
Speaker 1: their history was. They could than maybe beef in or
Speaker 1: however that they were rescued and we were given the
Speaker 1: tools to help train these dolls and then afterwards they
Speaker 1: were adopted and we had an a stoption rate of
Speaker 1: some ninety something percent coming out of there. We trained
Speaker 1: them in basic and non obedience. It was a really
Speaker 1: really great, really positive program. And there had gotten into
Speaker 1: me and another guy. We have been talking about different
Speaker 1: ideas concerning the judicial systems. When we come across this
Speaker 1: idea of restorative justice, and after we had studied on
Speaker 1: it and we've gotten in contact with some restorative justice practitioners,
Speaker 1: we decided that with our knowledge of this environment in
Speaker 1: the prison, and we knew what was lacking in this environment,
Speaker 1: we knew some of the things that could help in
Speaker 1: the rehabilitation of the solo invates. We constructed a restorative
Speaker 1: justice program. We're still in the process of kind of
Speaker 1: fleshing out some of the more detailed aspects of the curriculum.
Speaker 1: But this is what my passion has been into for
Speaker 1: the past few years. I've really been concentrating my efforts
Speaker 1: into this program. And we have people and restore just
Speaker 1: practitioners from university another organizations really really like what we
Speaker 1: have created and they want to help out a little bit. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, that's you know what it sounds like to me.
Speaker 1: It sounds like you're doing more good, like I said,
Speaker 1: from this hopeless place than most people on the outside
Speaker 1: can never even dream of doing. And that's you know,
Speaker 1: that's to your credit obviously, and it's another reason why
Speaker 1: it makes sense for you to be granted your freedom
Speaker 1: after all these years. And if you even allow your
Speaker 1: mind to go there, what do you want to do?
Speaker 1: What's your plan? Well, as you hit upon do I
Speaker 1: even want to go there? I have been looking, especially
Speaker 1: after seven years ago when I was expecting to get out,
Speaker 1: and I always denied that that was a very crushing
Speaker 1: blow and it was difficult endurance. But yeah, of course
Speaker 1: I do allow myself to think about once amount of here,
Speaker 1: although I don't do well upon it because I just
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just I can't go there for
Speaker 1: so much. But the more I've gotten into a restorative justice,
Speaker 1: the more I think it's an extremely a beneficial philosophy
Speaker 1: and instead of practices for to kind of compliment our
Speaker 1: criminal justice system. And so I really want to pursue
Speaker 1: that direction, and I think that I could, I could
Speaker 1: help out. I think I had a lot of cool
Speaker 1: our shield and knowledge from being in here for the
Speaker 1: last point two plus years in observing things from the inside.
Speaker 1: I feel like I have a great respective to be
Speaker 1: able to help out in the resort justice. That sounds
Speaker 1: like a great scenario to me and benefits the society
Speaker 1: across the board. I don't know if you're able to
Speaker 1: talk about it, but they really struck me earlier when
Speaker 1: you told me that the prisoner or your pot is
Speaker 1: on lockdown. What does that mean? Well, so, where I'm
Speaker 1: at now, we've been on lockdown for the last two weeks,
Speaker 1: which means we're confined to our concrete posts are so
Speaker 1: and when we're coming out every seven two hours to
Speaker 1: take a shout, they bring the food to our door.
Speaker 1: And I say our door because I have a film partner.
Speaker 1: Every show as two people for film, and this is
Speaker 1: how I've been living for the last two weeks. The moreover,
Speaker 1: it's pretty much how I've been living for the last
Speaker 1: point two years. But when we're not on lockdown, you know,
Speaker 1: I do have a modicum of freedoms if you will,
Speaker 1: you know, every once while I can get outside, bake
Speaker 1: fresh air and work out. Um enrolled into a horticulture
Speaker 1: class and learn about horticulture and I can actually have
Speaker 1: my fingers in the soil and be able to have
Speaker 1: the opportunity to plant from the seeds and vegetables and
Speaker 1: so forth. It's really been a positive thing, really really
Speaker 1: enjoining the horticulture. And the last question about the prison experience,
Speaker 1: what is an average day like when you're not on lockdown?
Speaker 1: You wake up at five or something, How does how
Speaker 1: do you get through the day. Yeah, so they have
Speaker 1: what they call a count procedures in which they have
Speaker 1: to come through and literally count every individual while they're
Speaker 1: locked in the sill about four times or so every day,
Speaker 1: spread out throughout the day, and during that time you
Speaker 1: have to be standing up and your life have to
Speaker 1: be on so they can see that you're alive and
Speaker 1: you will and and that starts certain with the four
Speaker 1: six o'clock in the morning. So for the last point
Speaker 1: two years I've been up um about that time and
Speaker 1: standing on my feet and the life the fluorescent lights
Speaker 1: every every morning. That's that's just one of the countenance.
Speaker 1: And like I said, that goes through up to day
Speaker 1: and that kind of segments the day that in the beating,
Speaker 1: the channel from beating schedule, so the preactast, lunch center
Speaker 1: and these kind of condition you in condition one too,
Speaker 1: the segments of the day. And so there's a period
Speaker 1: in the morning after practice in which, if we're lucky
Speaker 1: even might get outside. The recreation and recreation consists of
Speaker 1: a yard as a track. I usually go jogging. If
Speaker 1: I'm able to, I'll go into the weightlifting area listening
Speaker 1: weight They have a couple other recreational things. The guys
Speaker 1: get around with the volleyball or the beast. Otherwise there's
Speaker 1: not a lot of I don't know kind of rehabilitative programs.
Speaker 1: There are a few, you know, I've been through a
Speaker 1: lot of those things, but for most guys, I think that,
Speaker 1: you know, this place is more of a warehouse humans
Speaker 1: than anything. It's not really designed or as its all
Speaker 1: corrections necessarily, although there has been you know, steps towards
Speaker 1: that direction, as steps in that direction, you know, I
Speaker 1: think that the governor has made some steps in that
Speaker 1: direction with three entries, ideas and so forth. But you know,
Speaker 1: unfortunately there's largely the prison are placed with the warehouse humans.
Speaker 1: So there's only so much a man do in this.
Speaker 1: So I do utilize my time studying, send my money
Speaker 1: on the books, and there was a library when I can,
Speaker 1: and so that's kind of how I send my time. Well, Dusty, all,
Speaker 1: I can tell you again, I know you know about it,
Speaker 1: but I hope you can feel it. There's a real
Speaker 1: wave of support for you among so many people who
Speaker 1: care and who want to see you released and able
Speaker 1: to get on with your life and put this nightmare
Speaker 1: behind you. Of course, Lisa Speies has been a huge advocate.
Speaker 1: I think she's a very strong supporter and a very
Speaker 1: positive and wonderful person. And I want to turn it
Speaker 1: over to you typically un wrongful conviction. I like to
Speaker 1: leave the last word open so that you can share
Speaker 1: any thoughts you have about anything at all with our audience.
Speaker 1: I'll turn it over to you, Dusty. Okay, Well, you
Speaker 1: mentioned where my supporters, Lisa, You've been certainly has been great,
Speaker 1: especially in what I under staying in the social media field,
Speaker 1: I guess and I do have a lot of very
Speaker 1: strong supporters out here in Virginias who are total strangers.
Speaker 1: Some of them have gotten to know personally and they're
Speaker 1: just great people. And I'm very fortunate to have these
Speaker 1: people in my corner and who have recognized my wrongful
Speaker 1: p As far as the last words, thankful, I really
Speaker 1: appreciated Mr from for interviewing me. Very thankful that increasingly
Speaker 1: more people know than I have been wrongfully sick. And
Speaker 1: I hope that people, you know, maybe reach out and
Speaker 1: talk to somebody. The filmmaker named j D has created
Speaker 1: a film called The Target of Opportunity about my case,
Speaker 1: and I was able to view it one time two
Speaker 1: years ago, and I think it encapsulates my situation put
Speaker 1: it pretty well, and I just hope that people will
Speaker 1: take some kind of interest and look into my case,
Speaker 1: and I know that if anybody does, they will see
Speaker 1: the travesty and the fact that I've been here for
Speaker 1: over twenty two years or something I didn't do. I
Speaker 1: had such a future brought in the military. I love
Speaker 1: the military. I'm planning to make it career. Prap. I
Speaker 1: wanted to be in the Filkins and want to be
Speaker 1: a one best sil team operators for this country that
Speaker 1: I could have been. My world was turned upset down
Speaker 1: and a lots of so many people over one that
Speaker 1: by this guy. So many people have been destroyed and
Speaker 1: ruin and family on my family, like City, the Billy
Speaker 1: Brown family, so many others. But again, I just thank you.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate opportunity to interview so Dusty. I want
Speaker 1: to repeat that the name of the film is the
Speaker 1: name of the film is Target of Opportunity. Target of
Speaker 1: Opportunity is the film. I've watched it. I hope other
Speaker 1: people that are listening now we'll watch it too. And Dusty,
Speaker 1: I'm sure people are listening. They want to know how
Speaker 1: can they get involved? What would you advise? Right? You know,
Speaker 1: Unfortunately I'm I am largely isolated. I have no Internet access.
Speaker 1: I've never been on the Internet. I've never even used. However,
Speaker 1: I think that people could uh maybe visit. I know
Speaker 1: that totters have created a website, the free Dusty dot Org.
Speaker 1: And I do know too that there is a Twitter
Speaker 1: and Instagram account under my name of free dust the Turner.
Speaker 1: I think, and I know that's very least reaching out there.
Speaker 1: That's much supporters with. I'm sure direct folks into the
Speaker 1: best way that they might be able to help. I
Speaker 1: know that writing to the governor donor Arry mccaulos in
Speaker 1: Virginia's directly they help out other Other than that, I'm
Speaker 1: really not sure what else to say about it. Okay,
Speaker 1: So once again, that's free Dusty Turner is the Instagram
Speaker 1: and the Twitter. The movie is target of Opportunity. Please
Speaker 1: learn more about this case and get involved. Follow Dusty
Speaker 1: on social media and there'll be more information there that
Speaker 1: you can learn how to how to help. And now
Speaker 1: is the time to do it, because we're really in
Speaker 1: the home stretch of this this effort to free Dusty Turner.
Speaker 1: You have it, Dusty. All I can say is hanging there,
Speaker 1: We're coming to get you. Thank you, Dusty for for
Speaker 1: being on the show, and uh I'll look forward to
Speaker 1: to seeing you on the outside, hopefully sometime very soon.
Speaker 1: You've been listening to a very special episode of Wrongful
Speaker 1: Conviction Behind Bars with Dusty Turner. Dusty, thanks again, Thank you, sir,
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