1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:10,039 Speaker 1: with i R Radio, another almost Famous podcast. This week 3 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 1: We're pumped to be talking today. It's me again, yeah 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 1: Ben uh, and today is a boy's episode. Ashley had 5 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:18,159 Speaker 1: her time with the girls, now I'm gonna have my 6 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,119 Speaker 1: time with two boys today on the podcast, we have 7 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: some special guests are Lion Dyke who was the Bachelor, 8 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: and Jason Mesnick who was a bachelor, and then myself 9 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: who was a bachelor at one point. We're here today 10 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: to talk about what it's like, uh, to fall in love, 11 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: to switch maybe our interest at times, and ultimately to 12 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: find the one that was always meant for us. Our 13 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: first guest is a guy who knows what it's like 14 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: to do the switch, but also to find love in 15 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: the end and the love that is ever lasting and 16 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: a love that is beautiful. In fact, before we brought 17 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: him on the podcast, he was actually holding his new 18 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: beautiful daughter uh and had to pass it off to 19 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 1: his wonderful wife before he started talking. Our Lindyke. Welcome 20 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: to the Almost Famous podcast. What's up? How are you buddy? 21 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: I'm good man. Hey. First off, let's talk about your 22 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: life before we get into the mess that was Peter's season, 23 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: especially the conclusion, Uh, you are a dad, you are 24 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: a husband? Wow? How quickly? Uh, world's flip and things happen. 25 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 1: How are you holding up? Things are good, you know, 26 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: luckily it's really nice weather here in Arizona, US. We've been, 27 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: you know, going on walks and going on bike rides, 28 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: but kind of avoiding big crowds. And but yeah, it's 29 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 1: been good. You know. I think that it's some obviously 30 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: stressful for everyone, but we've been taking care of our neighbors, 31 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: went to the grocery store for our neighbor who's elderly. 32 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: And it's just been It's interesting, but you know, it 33 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: keeps us home. We're watching a lot of TV, and 34 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: obviously we watched Peter season um and it was very 35 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: very entertaining a lot to say, yeah, well let's dive 36 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: into it man. Uh speaking of entertaining, Uh, we we 37 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: saw the whole season mixed reviews throughout the season. Right. 38 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: We came into it with high expectations for Peter. I 39 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: had high expectations for him. I know him personally. He 40 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: is a great dude. Uh. He's really a kind man 41 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 1: who was always great to me. That allowed me to 42 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: kind of involve myself when he needed me into his 43 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 1: bachelor experience. However, some of his probably I guess biggest 44 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: false one would be his uh just how nice he 45 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:33,839 Speaker 1: is uh forced him to not put his foot down 46 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: maybe as much as he should have all the way 47 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:38,959 Speaker 1: leading up to the very end when he proposed to Hannah. 48 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: And my question for you are and let's talk about 49 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: it together, as he should he have ever proposed to Hannah. 50 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: I think in that moment, you know, you're trying to 51 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:51,359 Speaker 1: do what's write for yourself and what you think, um 52 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: is probably right for the situation. You know. I think 53 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: there's a lot of pressure that comes with uh proposal 54 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 1: day sleep, coming from somebody who proposes somebody and then 55 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: had some second thoughts on it immediately after. I can 56 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: see the pressure of having to propose that day, UM, 57 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: So I can sort of see where his mindset where 58 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: it was on that level. The only thing I don't 59 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: agree with was, you know, obviously Madison left, and his 60 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: heart seemed to be really with Madison, so it almost 61 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 1: felt like a second choice. Uh. And also to make 62 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: Madison and to to you know, obviously say her name 63 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: during the proposal was a bit odd to me because 64 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: you could see his head was still sort of in 65 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: that space. Um, So I guess the short answer is, no, 66 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: he shouldn't have proposed. I guess the more complicated answer 67 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: is is that you know, as we all know, there's 68 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: a lot of pressure that comes with proposing at the 69 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: end of this television show, and I think that got 70 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: to him. Let's sit there for a thing, because you 71 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: and I can both late on this, right. I mean, 72 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: it's I didn't propose to the woman that I didn't 73 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: end up choosing. Um, but I did say publicly that 74 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: I fell in love with two women and then neither 75 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: relationship worked out for me, And so I can see 76 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: the turmoil and the confusion on that last day and 77 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: how hard it is to know that you have two 78 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: people that you care a lot about and that you 79 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: believe you care a lot about standing in front of you, 80 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:26,919 Speaker 1: knowing that somebody is going to go home, or in 81 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: Peter's case, somebody already did go home. For any out 82 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 1: there listening, are tell us what it is like to 83 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 1: stand up there and how confusing it is leading up 84 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: to those last moments, Like, just emotionally, just walk us 85 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: through what it's like even the night before as you 86 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: start to process what you're gonna do. I mean, it's 87 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: really nerve wracking. You know, I can only draw from 88 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: my experience, and you know, I had this overwhelming feeling 89 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: that um I think from the beginning of the show, 90 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: a lot of these uh decisions that are made almost 91 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: become more than just your own opinion, but the opinion 92 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 1: of people around you. And you know, you really don't 93 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 1: have that many people to lean on because your family 94 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: only meets the girls for one afternoon and it's really 95 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 1: hard to you know, side one way or the other. 96 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: And to sort of get help from your family is 97 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: also really challenging because they really aren't seeing the big picture. UM. 98 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: I could see that he had a lot of pressure 99 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: from his family, UM, you know, to get engaged to Hannah, 100 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 1: and they seem to really favor her, which didn't help 101 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: going into the last week that you know, he was facing. 102 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: And I think that big thing for me is, um 103 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 1: I really leaned on the people around me, and at 104 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: the time, I hate to talk about it because it's 105 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: already kind of hard to talk about. But Lauren is 106 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: more the risk. She was more the risk because she 107 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: had trouble opening up. We didn't really develop as far 108 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 1: along as other relationships because she was nervous in front 109 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: of cameras. And I know how much I cared about her, 110 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 1: but I was so scared to take that risk. And 111 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: I think in the same sort of situation you saw 112 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 1: as soon as Mats and left, I feel like his 113 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 1: his focus change because Hannahan was always there for him. 114 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: She was so um she was basically bending over backwards 115 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: to make sure that he was okay, that his heart 116 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: was okay. And you know, she was a great individual, 117 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: great woman, and I feel like she was a great choice. 118 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, you really have 119 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: to think, to think hard and really understand, you know, 120 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 1: where your emotions are. And I think that's something that 121 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 1: I obviously had difficulty with um and he did too. 122 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 1: But I think that the wrong was to um ignore 123 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 1: those feelings and to just go with what everyone else 124 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: thought was the best option for him and UM in 125 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: a small way, I could definitely relate to that. I mean, 126 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: and we say all of this, and I can I 127 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 1: just hear the listeners now for both of us is 128 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: how can you be critical of Peter when you've been 129 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 1: in that position and you know. Are you and I 130 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: have have done? You know this in different ways but 131 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: have similar storylines to how this played out for us. 132 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: What we're saying is you learn from experience, like are 133 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: you and I both have been there? We we've we've 134 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: experienced those last few hours, We've experienced those last few days. 135 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: It's not easy. It is confusing. Uh. You get infiltrated 136 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: with knowledge from different and from different emotions and feelings 137 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: from different levels, from different people. And the one thing 138 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: you said there are that I want to sit on 139 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: for a second is how important the family is in 140 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: this decision, which is why I think a wise family 141 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: and why it probably upset me the most this whole 142 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: season is never Peter personally didn't upset me. It was 143 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: how his family handled it. Is how passionate they were 144 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: about being right and that they knew what's best when 145 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: they had just gotten there Like that is so unfair 146 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: to him, which led him to situation that he's in 147 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: now after the final UH finale, which is no press, 148 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: nobody's talking about it. He feels probably pretty isolated. I'm 149 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: sure he's back down fine terms with his family, but 150 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: how I mean, did your family what was their experience 151 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: like on the show, because I know for mine, they cared, 152 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: they wanted to be in the know, but they didn't 153 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: speak up too strongly because they're aware that they hadn't 154 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: been around for like three months this whole thing was 155 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: going on. Yeah, I think I was definitely looking for 156 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: some clarity for my family, and you know, they didn't 157 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 1: really give me that clarity because I felt like they 158 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: felt Both women in the end were you know, great, 159 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,719 Speaker 1: great women, and they were great choices for me, but 160 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:43,719 Speaker 1: so they really you know, lead it up to me 161 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: and they didn't sway me one way or the other. 162 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine being, you know, in love with someone 163 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: and then my family saying that that person is not 164 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: right for me, you know, because I would almost push 165 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: me more towards them for some reason. I don't know why, 166 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: but yeah, I could. Peter's family it was frustrating to 167 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: watch too, because you wanted them. You're just kind of 168 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: sitting on her couch going like just support him, just 169 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 1: like lift him up, you know, and I felt like 170 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: they were helping tear him down. And it just was 171 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: so hard to watch because you know, at the end 172 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,959 Speaker 1: of the day, your family is all you've got. And 173 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: it's just so hard that he didn't get that support. 174 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 1: And I really did feel for him. And I don't 175 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: know if you know much about how this looks kind 176 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: of after the fact, but obviously at this point Peter 177 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: doesn't feel like he has the support as viewers were 178 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: watching it going, It doesn't feel like he has the 179 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: support from his family. You've been in a situation of 180 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: extreme difficulty where it feels like, I mean, I'm not 181 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 1: going to speak for you. You You can agree to disagree. 182 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,439 Speaker 1: It feels like the world from vattination is screaming at you. 183 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: What are you doing? Uh? This is wrong, this is 184 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 1: me whatever. You probably feel pretty alone. What do you 185 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: think Peter's feeling like right now? Since all this has 186 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: gone down end? It was just announced this week that 187 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: Madison and Peter are no longer together either. So now, 188 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: what is it like to sit in that season of thinking, 189 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I've made not made a mistake necessarily, 190 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:17,439 Speaker 1: but like the world's out getting Yeah. I mean, I 191 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: don't know, it's tough, you know. I feel like he's 192 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 1: recovering pretty well though he's hanging out with Kylie Jenner heard, 193 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: so I don't know what that is all about and 194 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: like just the whole Like Mathison hanging out with Sleena Gomez. 195 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: I'm like, where are we in this world where all 196 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: of a sudden we're hanging out with Selena Gomez and 197 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 1: Kylie Jenner like the next day. But um, you know, 198 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 1: obviously he's probably feeling very alone right now and you 199 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: just gotta lean on your friends. And um, you know, 200 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: we had that same situation Laura and I, but we 201 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: had each other and we knew that we were going 202 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: to last. We knew we were gonna get married and 203 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 1: to have kids, like that's all we wanted for for 204 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: our little family, and you know, our immediate family supported us. 205 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: That really felt good. Um, and the decision that I made. 206 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: You know, I've talked with all my friends about it, 207 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: talked with my family about it, and everyone was on 208 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 1: board because they knew that I wasn't happy and they 209 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: knew that Lauren was the person for me. After I 210 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: talked to them for weeks on end about you know, 211 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: feeling conflicted and what should I do and the world's 212 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: gonna hate me, and they just said, you know what, 213 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: this is a television show. This is gonna be two 214 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: weeks of your life where people are going to be 215 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: up in arms, but it's the rest of your life. 216 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: You've got to make that decision for you. Um. And 217 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: that's sort of where I kind of, you know, cast 218 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 1: that judgment aside and said, this is what I'm going 219 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 1: to do, and if people aren't okay with it, then 220 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: they're just gonna have to get over it, you know. 221 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: And I just for Peter. I just feel for him 222 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: because it's just the ending that no one wanted. You know, 223 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 1: everyone wants to see somebody happy at the end of this, 224 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:57,319 Speaker 1: and I think genuinely people really felt bad for Peter, 225 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: where I think that was a little bit opposite of 226 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: my season. People were just angry at me. Um. I 227 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 1: think it helped his case that Hannah and didn't become 228 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: Bachelorette because they would have lifted her up more and 229 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: I think they would have, you know, played more of 230 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: the sinister role on his side of things. Um. And 231 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: so I think they were a little I think they 232 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: were pretty easy on him, to be honest, um. But hey, 233 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: you know, with the ending that we got and you know, 234 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:27,079 Speaker 1: he's not with Maddie anymore, I'm happy that they weren't 235 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: harder on him. And I feel like the overall concerned 236 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 1: or the overall feeling of this ending is a feeling 237 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 1: of feeling bad for everyone involved. And I think the 238 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: biggest hate that anyone received was Barbed at the end 239 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: of So maybe maybe that was a tactical decision for 240 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: Barbed to be so over the top so that it 241 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: would take the heat off of Peter. I don't know, 242 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: I did. I think I saw a tweet. I mean 243 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: maybe Ashley or somebody tweeted like what if it was 244 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: genius a Barbed to say, oh my gosh, my son's 245 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: getting hate. I'm gonna throw myself the grenade and take 246 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: one for the team. And I mean literally, it is impressive. 247 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 1: And I don't know Barbed personally at all. I do, 248 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: like I said, no Peter, and I like Peter, but 249 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: it is impressive that somebody can literally be on the 250 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: TV for like a half of episode in total and 251 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: coust so much hysterica, like it's it's insane to me. 252 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: Are you mentioned it earlier? And I don't know how 253 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: to phrase this question, um, so if it comes off wrong, 254 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: just ask for follow up here. Um, but you called 255 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:33,079 Speaker 1: Lauren a risk and they said this during my season 256 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: A lot when I was kind of coming down to 257 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: the final decision was as we talked it through, it's like, hey, one, 258 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: you know what you're getting, at least you think you 259 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: know you're getting. The other one is a risk because 260 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: maybe the relationship isn't there yet, or maybe the family 261 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: looks at it a little uh like maybe hasn't accepted 262 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: you in yet or whatever. But both And we're gonna 263 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: have Jason Mesnick on here and just a little bit. 264 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:55,559 Speaker 1: And the reason we're doing this episode is because all 265 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: of our stories are are similar in some way to 266 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: Peters and we can all relate with the switcher rou 267 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: or you can relate with the mixed emotions or you know, 268 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: maybe falling in love with multiple people those kind of things. 269 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: But for you and Jason, you did the switcher rou 270 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: and it worked, and it worked really well for both 271 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: of you. Why do you think it has worked? And 272 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: and I mean you have marriages and kids now, Like 273 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: this isn't this work like where it's like, oh cool, 274 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: they have a bachelor relationship. Now you are married with 275 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: kids and so is Jason. Why why is the switcher 276 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: rou a moment of such clarity? And I mean, maybe 277 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: you could tell me if I'm wrong. I don't remember 278 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: a switcher rous necessarily not working well. I think because 279 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 1: and that this is just coming from my perspective. You know, 280 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: obviously there's people that hearts get broken in the process, 281 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: but you know, in any breakup that's the case, and 282 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: you know there's I think both with Jason and either 283 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: was never the intention of hurting anyone. And I just 284 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: want people to know that I think that as an 285 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: amazing woman, and I'm so happy that she's happy and 286 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: she had her time on the Bachelorette and I and 287 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: I really was. It was really nice to see that 288 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: she got her happy ending and I'm really I just 289 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: want to kind of say that first before I get 290 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: into this next piece. UM. I think the risk it 291 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: takes to break off an engagement in front of eight 292 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: million people and cast that aside because that relationship there 293 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: was something there for you to get engaged, Otherwise you 294 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: wouldn't have done it. So that person obviously does mean 295 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: a lot to you, but you you knew in your 296 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: heart that this other person could be your forever love. 297 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: And I think that the bravery it takes to do 298 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: that is something that um not only um my family 299 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: realized what I was doing, but also Lauren realized what 300 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: I was doing, and I was going to face a 301 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: lot of judgment, and it's because of love. Like I 302 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: just wanted something that I knew would as the lifetime, 303 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 1: and when I realized that that Lauren was that person, um, 304 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: it almost didn't matter what you know, general public thought, 305 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: with the viewers at home thought like I knew what 306 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: was right, and that was an overwhelming feeling that I 307 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: just couldn't um cast aside. And so I think that 308 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: with Jason and myself knowing that that's the person for 309 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: me and the person for him, like the risk is 310 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: worth it. So I think this ending was different because 311 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: Chris is the one that sort of orchestrated or tried 312 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: to orchestrate this um rekindling of Maddie and Peter's relationship. 313 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: I think if it would have came from Peter, Peter 314 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: would have been like, no, this is what I gotta 315 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: do and ran after Maddie. I think the situation would 316 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: be different. Obviously the broken up it didn't work and 317 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: it should have probably been left alone. UM. But I 318 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: think in Jason's case and in my case, you know, 319 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: the the risk was worth it and it was because 320 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: there was just an overwhelming feeling of knowing us right. 321 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: I I'm sorry to like just continue to sit on things, 322 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: but I think it's important because it's intriguing to me. 323 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: Is when you what does it feel like to know 324 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 1: what's right? Like, can you walk us through at least 325 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: your experience when you're with somebody you're tossing and turning. 326 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: There's obviously anxiety that's involved as and I say this 327 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,199 Speaker 1: even with the perspective of Peter has gotta been feeling 328 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: this and then you finally put your foot in the 329 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: ground and you say, I've got to make this decision, 330 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: like I have to do this. What what is that 331 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: process and experience, like, especially knowing very well that there's 332 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: gonna be millions upon millions upon millions of people that 333 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:48,360 Speaker 1: are watching this, knowing this and invested into this. Yeah, well, 334 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 1: I think for me, you know, you know, going back 335 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 1: on that time on the show, you know, the night 336 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: before the proposal, I was pretty torn because, um, you know, 337 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 1: everyone was saying, like, you know, this person is good 338 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: for you, you know what you have. You know, she's 339 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: she's an incredible woman, and she's in you know, the 340 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: relationship I had with Becca was very easy going. She's 341 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 1: she's so easy to talk to, She's very comfortable from 342 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: the cameras, and it progressed slowly, but it was like, 343 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 1: you know, it's something that was very solid. Um. The 344 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 1: relationship with Lauren, you know, there was an undeniable pulled 345 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:31,679 Speaker 1: towards each other. We had a little trouble communicating, you know, 346 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: there was times where I didn't know if she really 347 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 1: liked me, so it was kind of a risk, you know, 348 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 1: And and towards the end, she finally sort of told 349 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 1: me how she felt. And it was this relationship I 350 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: had established the entire time was sort of always the 351 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: one that was in the back of my head with 352 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 1: Becca because it was solid, and now we had this, 353 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 1: I had this feeling of just like wanting to know 354 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,439 Speaker 1: more about Lauren. But I also I also felt like 355 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 1: it was a little bit risky because I didn't really 356 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,199 Speaker 1: know where she stood um and she had really a 357 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: tough time on camera. So the only time that I 358 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: could really get a glimpse of her was kind of 359 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: like in between shots, or sometimes would be in a 360 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: car together heading to a different location, and all of 361 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,880 Speaker 1: a sudden I would see this like different person. So 362 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 1: when overnight's happened. There was a shift all of a sudden, 363 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 1: and I realized, you know, that I really cared for Lauren, 364 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: and that I was in love with her, and I 365 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: knew other in love with her, but that I knew 366 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: a different side of her at that point. So I 367 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 1: got down to the final moments, and you know, I 368 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,360 Speaker 1: was having to make my decision, and I just remember 369 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: a lot of production was saying, like reminding me the 370 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: things that I talked about in past, you know, with Becca, 371 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: and reminding me of the concerns I had with Lauren, 372 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 1: and it just kind of got in my head and 373 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: I just thought, this is the right decision for me, 374 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:54,919 Speaker 1: based on, um, you know what, what's good on paper. 375 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: Weird thing to think about when you're the bad where 376 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 1: you have to make some types of decisions, like it's 377 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 1: a logical decision or this an emotional decision. And you know, 378 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I'm not young, you know, 379 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,360 Speaker 1: I want I wanted to be married. I want to 380 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: move forward with my life with somebody, and I felt 381 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 1: like this was like a very solid decision. And then 382 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: when I made the decision, just the thought of Lauren 383 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: kept creeping in and Um, you know, I had trouble 384 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 1: sleeping at night, and you know, her birthday was right 385 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 1: after proposal day a couple of days later, and her 386 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,199 Speaker 1: shoes stick on the way home from a producer, and 387 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: I've thought about, you know, how she was feeling, and 388 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 1: and it just like never went away, and it just 389 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: it built more and more. And I was very open 390 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,400 Speaker 1: with Becca during that time, and you know, I would 391 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,120 Speaker 1: tell her, hey, look, I'm thinking about Lauren, and I'm 392 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: so sorry that I'm thinking about her. But you know, 393 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: it's such a a weird way to end a relationship 394 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: and start a new one. And she always said to me, 395 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: you know, once you're fully in and once you're fully 396 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: two feet into this relationship, let me know. And that 397 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 1: was sort of, um, something that we always talked about 398 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,479 Speaker 1: and obviously never got there and then we broke up. 399 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:11,199 Speaker 1: But she was very supportive of me, and we were 400 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 1: very open and we talked a lot about it. And 401 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,159 Speaker 1: you know, I feel terribly about the fact that I 402 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,719 Speaker 1: had to talk about this with her because you know, 403 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,199 Speaker 1: she was my fiance at the time, and it's just 404 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 1: so hard to think back on that time because you know, 405 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of emotions were happening, and um, 406 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 1: so you know, fast forward to you know, it was 407 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: right before New Year's and you know New Year's you 408 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: always think about the one person you want to kiss 409 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 1: on New Year's Eve, and I just had this overwhelming 410 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: feeling that I had to be with Lauren. And that's 411 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 1: sort of when the ball started rolling. So it was 412 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:47,640 Speaker 1: about a month of um, being engaged to Rebecca and 413 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: and then realizing that I needed to be with Lawrence. 414 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 1: So and then once that ball ball started rolling, production 415 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: jumped on it and they really sort of drove home 416 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: the fact that, you know, we want to showcase this 417 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: as a more of a love story. I mean, people 418 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: always sort of argue with me on this, but um, 419 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 1: you know, I'm no dummy. You know, I know that 420 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: if things get put on camera, then there's maybe a 421 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 1: way that she could have became the bachelorette. And I 422 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 1: feel like production with anything at that, not that they 423 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: tell me who they're going to pick or who they're 424 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: not going to pick, but they said, you know, she 425 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 1: would have that possible opportunity if we film things, because 426 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 1: it would give her time to heal, in time to 427 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: move on from it, and we could all explain it 428 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: on a f R and you know, hopefully we both 429 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: get a happy ending out of all this, and that's 430 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 1: sort of how the thing went. Because of Jason's season, 431 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 1: it was such a shock for everybody a live show. 432 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 1: There was no one in the audience. It was just 433 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: Chris Jason, and you know, the two of them, and 434 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 1: it was sort of awkward and it was difficult, and 435 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: you know, Melissa Eyecroft felt completely blindsided. And I wanted 436 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 1: to I wanted to basically give everyone the opportunity to 437 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: go along with me on this because I feel like 438 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: that's what the whole show was anyway, and I felt 439 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: it would give people more context, and obviously I was 440 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: being pushed to do that at the same point by production. 441 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: You know who at the time, or your best friends, 442 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:20,679 Speaker 1: and they were the people that you lead on for 443 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: advice and so just looking back on all that, it 444 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: was a wild time. But I feel like, you know, 445 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 1: there was this overwhelming feeling that I had to do 446 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,239 Speaker 1: what was right for me, and I just knew that 447 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: Lauren was the person that I'd spent the rest of 448 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: my life with and that's what I needed to pursue. 449 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 1: It is a crazy story and and r I'll say this. 450 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: I don't know if anyways ever told you this. It 451 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: is now and I always has been. I guess a 452 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:47,120 Speaker 1: beautiful love story bringing you now, uh to your daughter 453 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: Lessie who was born on May of two thousan nineteen, 454 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 1: and your terrific wife who has came from this experience. 455 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: Ari and Lauren will celebrate you as well as Leslie 456 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,719 Speaker 1: on this podcast. Thanks for coming on and sharing your 457 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: insights today, I think, uh, and I know what it 458 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,400 Speaker 1: will do is allow our listeners to get a perspective 459 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: and hopefully relate with Peter a little bit. Also know that, hey, 460 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: he was under some tough, tough circumstances. And all we 461 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 1: hope for now is what we've said really since your season, 462 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: because we change our perspective on this podcast, is we 463 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 1: just hope for a happy ending for everybody, somehow, some way, 464 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 1: Ari B. Lindyke, thank you for coming on the almost 465 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: famous podcast and talking to us about what it's like 466 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 1: to do the switcher rue if it works or sometimes doesn't. Thanks, funny, 467 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: appreciate it. Hey, thanks all right, all right, take you easy. 468 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: We're gonna take a breaking come back and talk with 469 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 1: Jason Mesnick, the original switcher ruwer er Er. This is 470 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: a boy's podcast. There are no UH women guests today 471 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: because we're talking about from a bachelor perspective what it's 472 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 1: like to fall from for multiple people UH. And two 473 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: people that are on the podcast actually went back and 474 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 1: did a switcher rue. That was our right Lion Dyke, 475 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: who most recently did it UH with his now wife 476 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: UH and mother of his child, Lauren. And we also 477 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: have Jason Mesnick, one of my favorite people in the world, 478 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,439 Speaker 1: now on the line talking about his experience as the 479 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 1: Bachelor and what it's like to do the switcher rue. Jason, 480 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the almost famous podcast. What's up, Buddy, 481 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: famous favorite people in the world. I love you, buddy. 482 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 1: I I think you know that. Yeah, thank buddy. I 483 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:49,400 Speaker 1: I just recently saw Jason and Seattle at the Bachelor 484 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: Live on stage show and at the time I was 485 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 1: hosting it on, Jason and his wife are out there 486 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,679 Speaker 1: with me on stage helping pass out a group date card. 487 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: We're kind of laughing at the time of what life 488 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: would look like if the coronavirus spread, because we had 489 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: just gotten word. I think that week that the very 490 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: first case was in Seattle and now look at us, Jason. 491 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: I'm at home in Indiana with my parents, and well, 492 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: I guess you're probably still in Seattle. But wow, how 493 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: life changes. Man, It is crazy, and you know, because 494 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: it's being here. I live in Kirkland where that um, 495 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: those first cases came out at a senior home in 496 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: my hometown, so we were kind of feeling these the 497 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: virus really early on, just in just here in Kirkland. 498 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's interesting. How how has it 499 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: affected your life if you if you've been around U 500 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: since the beginning, Uh, you're one of the first cases 501 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: were really close to your hometow I mean it's in 502 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: your hometown. Has it affected your day to day life 503 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: at all? Well, one, you know, there's no school, So 504 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,479 Speaker 1: the biggest thing is, you know, they initially canceled school 505 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: for two weeks and then as of a week ago, 506 00:26:58,280 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: they canceled it for the next month and a half. 507 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: A lot of it is, you know, parenting and trying 508 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: to figure out, you know, how do we balance you know, 509 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 1: our work if we can go into work with you know, 510 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: kind of a summer schedule for the kids. So that's 511 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,640 Speaker 1: probably the biggest challenge I think for every parent. Has 512 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: it spread I mean, just to be clear again, you 513 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 1: the first case of coronavirus was detected in the city 514 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: that you live in. Has it spread quickly throughout the 515 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 1: city or has it felt like it's been a pretty 516 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 1: isolated incident. No. I mean I think the numbers show 517 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: that I think that there's um, you know, hundreds of 518 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 1: cases now. Um. And you know, again, the people that 519 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: we're seeing, you know, that are severely affected, are people 520 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: that are you know, uh, compromised immune systems. Um, but 521 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: there are you know, I was you know, I'm in 522 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 1: real estate, so weirdly enough, Uh, the real estate market 523 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,919 Speaker 1: hasn't slowed down at all. You know, people are buying 524 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,199 Speaker 1: houses like crazy because they it still need places to 525 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 1: live in. Interest rates are really low. But in any stance, 526 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: like if you're like what I see in my day 527 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: to day, if you're trying to sell a house, you 528 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 1: may not want people in your house at all, you know, 529 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 1: just the fear of spreading the virus. So you are 530 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: seeing you are seeing. I mean, nothing is really open 531 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,400 Speaker 1: right now as of as of today, the only things 532 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 1: that are open are really pharmacies and supermarkets. Jeez man, 533 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: that is I don't know how to digest it like 534 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,479 Speaker 1: it's nothing we've ever seen. Like I remember where I 535 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,120 Speaker 1: was and what was happening at nine eleven. But this, 536 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 1: you know, it didn't physically, you know, impact my day 537 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 1: to day life outside of watching the news. This is everywhere. 538 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 1: You know, you can't go to a restaurant, you can't 539 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 1: go to bar. Every gym's closed down as of this morning. Um. 540 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 1: And then all of our kids are at home like 541 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 1: it's summer, and you know, the kids don't care. The 542 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 1: kids feel like it's summertime. Uh yeah, I can't imagine 543 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: what's life right now to be a parent, and your 544 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: kids don't probably, I mean especially younger kids don't understand 545 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 1: what's going on. They don't understand how uh in a 546 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 1: sense critical this time is. And so yeah, they're out 547 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: there is laughing and joining themselves when you go the park, 548 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 1: when you go to movies, et cetera, and you have 549 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: to tell them sorry, Like you can go to the park, 550 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: maybe you can walk like through the trails in the woods, 551 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: you can kind of like get out and run around 552 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 1: the street. But for the most part, kids, you've got 553 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: to be stuck inside. It's gotta be a crazy time 554 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: to be a parent. Yeah, I mean just weird. You know, 555 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: I think we're we're still trying to like, you know, 556 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 1: it's okay to go outside, but you know, you're not 557 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: tackling your friends like you would if you see somebody, 558 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: you know, it's you know, the people around here, at 559 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: least the experts are saying, you know, it's okay to 560 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 1: go out and do things. It's okay to want to walk, 561 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: it's okay to go on a hike. You know, it's 562 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: okay to do those things. But just don't, you know, 563 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: wrestle with people. Like, if you're gonna wrestle with your friends, 564 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: don't do that kind of thing if you're a kid. Yeah. Well, 565 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: I don't know the last time you're wrestling with your friends, Jason, 566 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: But it's been a while that I've wrestled with mine, 567 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: so I think we're good there. Um Jason speaking of wrestling. Uh, 568 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 1: switching gears from the coronavirus because today's podcast is a 569 00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: boy's focused podcast with bachelors who have fallen from people 570 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: one time or done the switcher rou and we're obviously 571 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 1: referencing Peter's season of the Bachelor, which just happened. First off, 572 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 1: I got to ask you because I know sometimes you 573 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: don't get to watch. Did you watch Peter season of 574 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 1: The Bachelor? I didn't watch the whole thing, but Molly 575 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: looped me into the last couple episodes. You know, it 576 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: seems like we always kind of get wind of what's 577 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: going on somehow or some way, but you know, Molly 578 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: wasn't able to figure that out, so she had me 579 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: on kind of pins and needles at least the last 580 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: couple episodes. It's interesting how that happens before we get 581 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 1: do we dive in here? I remember that you and 582 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 1: Molly were really some of the original to podcasters that 583 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 1: broke down the Bachelor franchise. And now sometimes you watch, 584 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: sometimes you don't. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. For me, 585 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: it's just, you know, I always felt like, when you 586 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 1: know so much about the whole process of how how 587 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 1: the show has made um, the experience people go through, 588 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: you know, the kind of back end of it has 589 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: has kind of dampered my excitement and watching. But at 590 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 1: the same time I get it. You know, it's it's 591 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: for most people just a break from reality. And it 592 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: would probably be a great thing if the show was 593 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 1: on right now, because it would give people a break 594 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: from the panic that's going on in the rest of 595 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 1: the real world. Mm hmm. That's exactly what it is. 596 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: And we hope today's podcast is that as well. We 597 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 1: hope that the almost for this podcast takes uh some 598 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 1: time out of everybody's day, and this allows you to 599 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 1: think about process and relate with and also reminiscence of 600 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 1: these former Bachelor stories. And so Jason, we've got to 601 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 1: dig into years as you watch. During Peter season uh, 602 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 1: and we just talked about with ri Lion Dyke, Peter 603 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: gets down to the final two, Madison leaves the show 604 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: because her Peter are not compatible, leaving Peter with one 605 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 1: left handed and and he proposes to Hannah, and and 606 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 1: he actually during the proposal mentions Madison's name, saying she 607 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: had left, which some people would argue that it kind 608 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: of took the luster and the excitement out of the proposal. 609 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 1: But I want to start here, Jason. We talked to 610 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 1: our about it, and I think it's an interesting perspective 611 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 1: leading up to that final moment when you have a 612 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 1: few people left, two people left, you're laying in bed 613 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 1: the night before, you have an idea of what you're 614 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 1: gonna do, but yet you haven't done it yet. Walk 615 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: us through what your situation was like, what it was 616 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 1: like to be in that bed the night before a 617 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: proposal that you knew was going to be on national television. Uh. God, 618 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 1: that's a good point. I think. I think I have 619 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 1: a little bit different perspective just because you know, I 620 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: had a three year old at home at the time, 621 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 1: and I would say, almost all of my thoughts were, Okay, 622 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 1: am I doing the right thing for my son? And obviously, 623 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 1: you know, I went a long roundabout way to get 624 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 1: to what was write for me. But I could say 625 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: all I was thinking about is Okay, I've got to 626 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 1: take myself out of the perspective a little bit and 627 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 1: kind of figure out am I doing what's right for 628 00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:00,120 Speaker 1: my my son? Um? But I mean, you know as 629 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 1: well as I do that night before is it's like 630 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: I don't think I slept a wink, you know. And 631 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: then you know one, you know, mine is probably a 632 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 1: little bit different because I I wasn't at that point 633 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 1: in love with two people. I knew I was going 634 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: to pick Melissa, and I didn't even have a really 635 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 1: at that point of doubt that I was going to 636 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 1: pick her. Um, I wish you know, you know, when 637 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 1: you're laying in bed, you know, if I could go 638 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 1: back and say, like, I'm not going to propose, of 639 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 1: course I wouldn't. Like, there's no real that's that's obviously 640 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 1: one of the biggest mistakes that I made, impacting her 641 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: in a lot of other people's lives. But that night before, gosh, 642 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 1: I mean, granted, that's a decade ago now, but I 643 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 1: can remember not not being able to sleep a wink, 644 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: and I can remember um production staff and audio people 645 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 1: and you know who, you know, whoever works on the 646 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 1: show coming and chucking on me. You know, I felt 647 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 1: like every thirty minutes. So maybe they just kept me awake. 648 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 1: I don't know. So then you you get up the 649 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 1: next day, you know that Melissa is the one that 650 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: you're going to propose to. You're confident that this is 651 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 1: the right decision. Uh. And we see this kind of 652 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 1: with Peter. We see with Peter anathar Is where we 653 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 1: watch it and we we celebrate for them. There's a 654 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 1: love story that's that we think is being portrayed on television, 655 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: but then it's not the ending. And uh, and all 656 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: three of you have sat there and gone, oh, I'm 657 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 1: in love with somebody else. What is that process? Like, 658 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:22,799 Speaker 1: how do you get to the point of admitting that 659 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,800 Speaker 1: you're in love with somebody outside of the person that 660 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: you're engaged to? Uh? Man, you know, I think that 661 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:35,400 Speaker 1: the challenge with the experience itself. And I wish you know, 662 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 1: the show is The Bachelor, it's about getting engaged. But 663 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: I think most people, when you're going through it, would say, 664 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 1: don't you wish you could just end it in, like 665 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:49,399 Speaker 1: let's date seriously, because that's really after two months. I mean, 666 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 1: I mean after two months of filming or three months 667 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 1: of filming, you may spend forty hours with that one person. 668 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,440 Speaker 1: So the truth is me, as a single dad, should 669 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,840 Speaker 1: not have known, should not have done that, And anybody 670 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,359 Speaker 1: who's going through this, Yes, some of the relationships work out, 671 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,320 Speaker 1: but most don't, just because you don't get to spend 672 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 1: the quality of quality of time with that person to 673 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,760 Speaker 1: get to know if your lives will work together, if 674 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: you guys are compatible and from every part of a 675 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 1: di z um. But I you know, I think I 676 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 1: knew um again. I knew that I was gonna pick 677 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 1: Melissa from you know, you know a while before that 678 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:33,799 Speaker 1: final episode. I just you know, that that feeling that 679 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 1: you know, maybe maybe Ari had or Peter had, you know, 680 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 1: it's probably a little bit different for me. So I 681 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 1: just didn't have a doubt that, like I knew that 682 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 1: I was going to propose. I wanted to be with Melissa. 683 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 1: I just didn't really want, you know, my gut said 684 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:50,880 Speaker 1: proposing it was the wrong thing. And there was a 685 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,320 Speaker 1: lot of things that went into, you know, finally getting 686 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 1: to the proposal. But for me, it wasn't you know, 687 00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 1: you know, Molly knows this more than anything. I wasn't 688 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 1: gonna pick Molly at that poem point. After two months 689 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,840 Speaker 1: of that experience. For me, I was was going to 690 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,359 Speaker 1: pick Melissa. It was it was the two months. And 691 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 1: this is where like you almost feel like you know 692 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,360 Speaker 1: they I think in Big Brother, um uh, they have 693 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,600 Speaker 1: like the off camera stuff like if you can log 694 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 1: on at night and say and see like what you 695 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 1: don't see on TV. So I think that you know, 696 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 1: you know as well as I do, like the two 697 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,799 Speaker 1: months that you have between kind of the end of 698 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,880 Speaker 1: filming and then you know, I got you know, I 699 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 1: can't remember the exact timeline from the end of filming 700 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 1: to when it starts airing to win, you know, you 701 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,880 Speaker 1: kind of go out in public, a lot happens, and 702 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,280 Speaker 1: that's actually a longer period of time than the actual 703 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:44,239 Speaker 1: filming itself. So I think, you know, uh, Melissa and 704 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 1: I got to know each other a lot, and she's 705 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:47,799 Speaker 1: gonna have a different point of view on this. But 706 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:52,400 Speaker 1: you know, fast forward a decade now, Um, she's married, 707 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:56,360 Speaker 1: has wonderful family, wonderful kids, and so am I. And 708 00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 1: you know, I think without the show, you know, we 709 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 1: may not be you may have not grown our family 710 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,919 Speaker 1: the way we're supposed to, and you know, me doing 711 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 1: some really dumb things together up there. Well, and we 712 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 1: talked about it. It's an interesting question for me because 713 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 1: with you and our especially the switcher rue as we 714 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:20,760 Speaker 1: call it today worked. Um, it didn't quite work for Peter, 715 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 1: but there is some variables that we'll talk about here 716 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,520 Speaker 1: in a second on why it probably didn't for him. 717 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 1: But why do you think the switcher worked? I mean, 718 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:34,600 Speaker 1: how do you confront this other person and say I'm sorry, 719 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,239 Speaker 1: I made a mistake in a sense, and I like you, 720 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 1: I would like you back, and then you make that 721 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,959 Speaker 1: relationship flourish to the point where now you're married years 722 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,359 Speaker 1: later with kids. Um, well, what it takes a lot 723 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,719 Speaker 1: of work, you know. Secondly, I will say a lot 724 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,880 Speaker 1: of this have to do with Molly, because Molly isn't 725 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I can't believe you, you know, did 726 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,680 Speaker 1: this to me, Like it's the worst experience. You picked 727 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,840 Speaker 1: somebody else. She's able to live in the moment and say, like, listen, 728 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 1: I all the first two months of relationship in the 729 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,640 Speaker 1: TV experience for what it was, and the rest of 730 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,360 Speaker 1: it is just us like trying to figure out our 731 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,600 Speaker 1: own relationship. So I get Molly the credit because if 732 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,239 Speaker 1: she was if she was looking at it probably much 733 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,279 Speaker 1: more emotionally, then it may not have worked out. But 734 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:19,399 Speaker 1: you know, there is that period of time, especially when um, 735 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 1: you know, you kind of come from the end of 736 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,839 Speaker 1: the show and uh, you know, for us, it was like, 737 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,840 Speaker 1: you know, we had to you know, people were angry 738 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 1: at me, people were an understanding of why she was 739 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,800 Speaker 1: taking me back, but that really it was her and 740 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,680 Speaker 1: eye against the world at that moment. You know, it was, hey, 741 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,440 Speaker 1: you know, we we got to block out you know, 742 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:40,239 Speaker 1: the negative, negative media. We've got to block out any 743 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,600 Speaker 1: negativity from anybody that we know and really focus on 744 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,800 Speaker 1: does this work for us? And I think what was 745 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,040 Speaker 1: a lot more comfortable as it was like there wasn't 746 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,480 Speaker 1: the engagement ring and there wasn't any of that. It 747 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,160 Speaker 1: was like, hey, can we make this relationship work in 748 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,279 Speaker 1: a really normal outside of like what the media would 749 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,799 Speaker 1: pick up, just in a more normal way where I 750 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 1: could fly She was living in the Midwest and in 751 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,160 Speaker 1: um in Milwaukee, so I could fly out to Milwaukee, 752 00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 1: you know, every other week, and she could fly out 753 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,359 Speaker 1: to Seattle every other week and we could see each 754 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,920 Speaker 1: other a lot, and just like, let the relationship go 755 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,800 Speaker 1: at a much more normal place versus you know that 756 00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,960 Speaker 1: the speed pace you get on when you're filming the 757 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,759 Speaker 1: you you just talked about it and you said, you know, 758 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,040 Speaker 1: it feels like it's you versus the world in your 759 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,000 Speaker 1: partner and you versued the world. And typically that's what 760 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:29,880 Speaker 1: you want in a partner, right somebody can look at 761 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:31,799 Speaker 1: and look across the table at or look beside you 762 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:33,279 Speaker 1: and say, hey, we've got this, we can do this 763 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,759 Speaker 1: no matter what life brings us here, my partner, there 764 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:42,200 Speaker 1: is one factor that seems to be be a force 765 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,840 Speaker 1: that was unable to be overcome when it comes to 766 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,680 Speaker 1: Peter's story, and that was barbed, barbed. The mom was 767 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,200 Speaker 1: very much against Madison as he was trying to build 768 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:56,280 Speaker 1: this relationship with her. Did your family have any sort 769 00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,160 Speaker 1: of say or strong opinions that your friends or family 770 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,440 Speaker 1: have any type a negativity towards this or they just 771 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:06,359 Speaker 1: kind of step away. We all stepped away. I mean, 772 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,879 Speaker 1: I mean, and the one thing I heard with Barb was, 773 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,440 Speaker 1: you know, she's gonna saying he's gonna make a mistake 774 00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,200 Speaker 1: or he's gonta learned for himself. And you know, the 775 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,239 Speaker 1: only thing is you know, and I try to look 776 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:20,040 Speaker 1: put you know, through peers experience, I'm actually less relating 777 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:24,759 Speaker 1: to him in you know, the switcher root part is 778 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,319 Speaker 1: of it. But I'm also more relating to it as 779 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,960 Speaker 1: a parents because you know, my son's fifteen now, like 780 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,960 Speaker 1: he was thinking when filmed, Um, so I'm looking at 781 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:34,879 Speaker 1: and I would say like I would do anything, like 782 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,439 Speaker 1: I would drop anything in my world. And I'm sure 783 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,399 Speaker 1: Barb would say that for her kids. But those were 784 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,239 Speaker 1: the moments where like he needed her the most. He 785 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,200 Speaker 1: didn't need you know, in my opinion, he didn't need 786 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,760 Speaker 1: a lesson in front of millions of people. He needed 787 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,840 Speaker 1: his mom to give him a hug. He need his 788 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:54,000 Speaker 1: mom to to to be the crutch. And I think 789 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,759 Speaker 1: that's where I you know, you know, it wasn't you know, 790 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,880 Speaker 1: you know, it wasn't like her death dealing with people 791 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:02,880 Speaker 1: and with the virus right now, where it is death, 792 00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,799 Speaker 1: we're dealing with you know, my dad's got cancer, knealing 793 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,520 Speaker 1: with people in in a lot of different ways right now. 794 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,320 Speaker 1: And this was like, Okay, my son made a mistake. 795 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,160 Speaker 1: He shouldn't have done that. I get it, and he 796 00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:17,960 Speaker 1: really hurt somebody, but I'll tell you everybody, um Hannah 797 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:21,880 Speaker 1: Ann and everybody involved with this will be just fine. 798 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,680 Speaker 1: Time does heal all wounds. And I just again putting 799 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,279 Speaker 1: my parent hat on, I just wish and I hope 800 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,880 Speaker 1: to this day that he's got his family there just 801 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,080 Speaker 1: to support him, because that's a big way I got through. 802 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:35,759 Speaker 1: My My mom is one of my best friends, and 803 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,560 Speaker 1: any time that I ever need her from for a 804 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:42,239 Speaker 1: parenting advice or relationship, for advice from school stuff growing 805 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:46,440 Speaker 1: up growing up, I could always call my parents. And 806 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,640 Speaker 1: I mean hope that I just I just hope that 807 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,080 Speaker 1: that's the case. But it felt like if I was 808 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:52,920 Speaker 1: him sitting out like I saw in his eyes, it 809 00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,560 Speaker 1: was like, Mom, come on, like, don't you got my back? 810 00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:58,520 Speaker 1: You know, That's what I felt like, and that's where 811 00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,800 Speaker 1: I felt more for him, because as as a relate, 812 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:03,759 Speaker 1: like if you take the batchelor out of it, like 813 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,600 Speaker 1: we all go like we've all messed up in relationships 814 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,520 Speaker 1: like it's it's it's millionized and glorified and everything in 815 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:15,200 Speaker 1: between on camera, but that's probably how we are in 816 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,439 Speaker 1: our real relationships because we all make mistakes and bad. 817 00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,040 Speaker 1: I was watching him, Jason, I was watching Peter that is, 818 00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:27,880 Speaker 1: and uh, I cannot imagine what it would be like 819 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,920 Speaker 1: to be sitting on a live audience knowing what just happened, 820 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,640 Speaker 1: knowing that you're close to the end and that you 821 00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,120 Speaker 1: made it through a really difficult breakup on national TV 822 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,080 Speaker 1: meaning Peters with Hannah Ann and now you have your 823 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,759 Speaker 1: mom kind of digging this hole for for you and 824 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,400 Speaker 1: continue to do it. It would really hurt. I know 825 00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,200 Speaker 1: it would, and it would like I said, I watched Peter, 826 00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,520 Speaker 1: and it felt like you just wanted to scream out mom, 827 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,120 Speaker 1: like I can't say what I want to say to 828 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,120 Speaker 1: you right now because it's gonna come off wrong, but 829 00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,680 Speaker 1: do you not support me? Like, do you not have 830 00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,880 Speaker 1: my back? Do you not want which is best for me? 831 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,560 Speaker 1: And if my I know how hard it is for 832 00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:06,160 Speaker 1: a parent, uh to go through this experience because you 833 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:10,760 Speaker 1: meet your your child's fiancee for like a few hours 834 00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,280 Speaker 1: one day, you know, and then you're done and you're gone. 835 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,759 Speaker 1: I know that that's hard, but it's kind of what 836 00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,640 Speaker 1: you all sign up for and sometimes that works. And 837 00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,360 Speaker 1: we have to always remember that. This just felt heavy 838 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,880 Speaker 1: watching it back because it was a mom saying and 839 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:33,279 Speaker 1: doing things that was not helping their child. I killed me, 840 00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,600 Speaker 1: I mean, and I know, like I mean myself a teenager, 841 00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,600 Speaker 1: I went from like being his best friend of being like, 842 00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:40,680 Speaker 1: you know, a guy that drives him around the basketball 843 00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:44,400 Speaker 1: practice now, but I would, you know, shauffeur, so, I 844 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,520 Speaker 1: mean I would still do. Like you know, this is 845 00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:51,600 Speaker 1: gonna sound weird, but like even people who end up 846 00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,399 Speaker 1: on death row, I bet you their parents find some 847 00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,640 Speaker 1: way to remember something positive about it, right because it's 848 00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,399 Speaker 1: their kids. Like with with your kids, and your parent 849 00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:04,759 Speaker 1: knows this, like you have unconditional love with relationships like 850 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,560 Speaker 1: whether you say me or Melissa or my ex wife 851 00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,319 Speaker 1: for you, and you know, any relationship you've had, there 852 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,560 Speaker 1: are conditions, right, you can mess up, you can cheat, 853 00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:17,840 Speaker 1: you could you know, um do some terrible things physically 854 00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:21,239 Speaker 1: to somebody, but with your kids, it's unconditional. And that's 855 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,640 Speaker 1: almost what I felt the opposite of. And I know 856 00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,240 Speaker 1: that there's more to every story and she was probably 857 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,360 Speaker 1: just trying to protect her son from making a mistake. 858 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,720 Speaker 1: But I think everybody knows, whether it's in your personal 859 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,400 Speaker 1: life or like our business, like we all make mistakes 860 00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,280 Speaker 1: and almost I mean everything that we do, we make mistakes, 861 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,080 Speaker 1: but you've got to learn from them, the growth from him. 862 00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,719 Speaker 1: It's a part that intrigues me maybe with this whole 863 00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:50,040 Speaker 1: story the most is how all of you got to 864 00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:53,760 Speaker 1: the place where you sat down and you said, hey, 865 00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,040 Speaker 1: I've maybe made a mistake, I've proposed or I'm with 866 00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:03,160 Speaker 1: somebody that I shouldn't be and I need to go back, 867 00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,680 Speaker 1: and the other option was the best option for me 868 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,560 Speaker 1: and my future and who I want to be with. 869 00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,360 Speaker 1: It has to take a lot to step out there 870 00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:13,520 Speaker 1: and do that. And now we see with Peter that 871 00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,440 Speaker 1: he's done that and it hasn't worked out well for him. 872 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,720 Speaker 1: He sits there pretty isolated right now and alone. Unlike 873 00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,360 Speaker 1: you and Ari, who walked out of this with a 874 00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,000 Speaker 1: relationship and a partner to look across the table at 875 00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,360 Speaker 1: and say, hey, we've got this, Peter is now alone 876 00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,560 Speaker 1: and he's gonna be fine. Also, he does a great dude, uh, 877 00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:31,319 Speaker 1: And you know he's already out there hanging out with 878 00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:36,440 Speaker 1: people and probably uh moving forward from this. But Jason, 879 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:40,160 Speaker 1: from your wise perspective, what should Peter's next steps be 880 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:45,120 Speaker 1: as a person, uh? As and professionally in relationships? What 881 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:49,000 Speaker 1: does Peter do from here? Well, I mean I think 882 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,399 Speaker 1: he's already you know, the first thing, you know, good 883 00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,840 Speaker 1: Morning America called and that's kind of similar question. And 884 00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,800 Speaker 1: I was like, he's already owned up for making a mistake. 885 00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:01,040 Speaker 1: He's owned up on TV, he's apologized. You know. I 886 00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,680 Speaker 1: think the hardest thing is, you know, you know this, 887 00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:08,280 Speaker 1: like you took the engagement away, that first engagement experience 888 00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,799 Speaker 1: away from handing and which sucks, like there's no doubt 889 00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,319 Speaker 1: about it. But she will get that, she will move on, 890 00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,880 Speaker 1: she will fall in love, and I'm sure she'll have 891 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,320 Speaker 1: a great family. She's gonna get a lot of Thames 892 00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:24,200 Speaker 1: from the Bachelor World. She's gonna get everything and more 893 00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,600 Speaker 1: and probably end up being in a happier place. But 894 00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,080 Speaker 1: for him, he's got to he's got to learn from 895 00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:34,759 Speaker 1: his experience, which I think he did. And just you know, 896 00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,000 Speaker 1: again this is my opinion, it's like trying to stay 897 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,360 Speaker 1: away from, you know, the negativity that you see in 898 00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,040 Speaker 1: the social world. Like it's very easy to get caught 899 00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:44,600 Speaker 1: up in that, Like I see it, like I don't 900 00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:48,560 Speaker 1: pay a ton of attention to like the negativity in 901 00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,879 Speaker 1: the social world, but Molly sees it all the time. 902 00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,759 Speaker 1: And she said, she'll say, hey, like, for example, you know, 903 00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:55,960 Speaker 1: Good Morning America wanted me to do this interview, and 904 00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:57,839 Speaker 1: she's like, why would you do that? And I said, 905 00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:59,640 Speaker 1: you know, I want to be able to tell people 906 00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,080 Speaker 1: my per perspective. And we talked a lot about Peter 907 00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:05,440 Speaker 1: owning up to what he went through and also similar 908 00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,359 Speaker 1: to what we're talking about, like why didn't his mom 909 00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,160 Speaker 1: support him? And why wasn't she able to support him? 910 00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:12,880 Speaker 1: But I think he's doing all those things. But if 911 00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,640 Speaker 1: he's able to support surround himself by like the true 912 00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,279 Speaker 1: people in his life, he'll be just fine. I mean, 913 00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,520 Speaker 1: he comes across his super genuine. I've never met him, 914 00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,160 Speaker 1: but you know, he comes across a super genuine, a 915 00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,600 Speaker 1: really good guy. And maybe those type type of people, 916 00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,680 Speaker 1: you know, maybe it's you know, maybe it's you, maybe 917 00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,040 Speaker 1: it's me, maybe it's Ri, maybe it's Peter. That we're 918 00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,279 Speaker 1: not cut out to be the Bachelor because we are 919 00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,279 Speaker 1: a little bit more emotional than the next person. And 920 00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,120 Speaker 1: that's okay too, you know, I know it makes I know, 921 00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:45,959 Speaker 1: it makes good for good TV. It does make good TV, 922 00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,240 Speaker 1: and it and it helps people relate with our stories. 923 00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,120 Speaker 1: I mean, the Mesnick is still a move that it 924 00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,839 Speaker 1: feels like it's shown all the time wherever I'm at, 925 00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:57,319 Speaker 1: where it's just you bawling on the side of the stairs, 926 00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:01,439 Speaker 1: on the side of a uh patio or whatever, and 927 00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,399 Speaker 1: it and it still hurts this day because I know 928 00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,000 Speaker 1: you're feeling it, and I know what it's like to 929 00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,640 Speaker 1: feel it. Uh, Jason, you are. You go down in 930 00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:12,240 Speaker 1: history as one of Baschel Nations honestly most talked about 931 00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,719 Speaker 1: and and I mean, I know sometimes it probably didn't 932 00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,919 Speaker 1: feel like it, but favorite Bachelors because of how much 933 00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,920 Speaker 1: we related with your story and how real and raw 934 00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,120 Speaker 1: you are, and it's led you to today where you're 935 00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,880 Speaker 1: happily married, um with two kids. So Jason, thanks for 936 00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,520 Speaker 1: giving us your time. Thank you for sharing your insights, 937 00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:33,000 Speaker 1: um into what Peter has gone through, how you can 938 00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,880 Speaker 1: recover from this, and what it's like to do the 939 00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:39,919 Speaker 1: old Switcher rou also holmost famous listeners. If you live 940 00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:41,879 Speaker 1: in the Seattle area and you're looking for a home, 941 00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,279 Speaker 1: our guy, Jason Mesnick here on the line is a 942 00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,839 Speaker 1: realtor waiting to help you fulfill your dreams with your 943 00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:52,040 Speaker 1: dream home. Jason, where can they contact you and find 944 00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:55,960 Speaker 1: you out? Oh god, I mean my contact tempo is everywhere. 945 00:48:56,200 --> 00:49:01,160 Speaker 1: It's uh even to Jason Mesnick dot com as all 946 00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:06,359 Speaker 1: my contact information and realistically myself oh six zero five 947 00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,520 Speaker 1: zero five five calling only if you really wanted to 948 00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:14,879 Speaker 1: have weird some weird like because because of my season 949 00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:18,200 Speaker 1: about Netflix now I'm getting like all these like like 950 00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,640 Speaker 1: as if it's happening today, like even somebody texting me 951 00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:22,920 Speaker 1: this morning, but like, how did you do that to Melissa? 952 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, what do you mean a decade ago? But 953 00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:29,960 Speaker 1: I love that. That's good stuff. That's a good joke 954 00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:33,080 Speaker 1: to play on anybody, especially with whoever's pulling the strings 955 00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:35,839 Speaker 1: over there. A Netflix and ABC saying, Hey, let's just 956 00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,440 Speaker 1: like bring back Jason's story ten years ago to make 957 00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,839 Speaker 1: sure he has to relive it, re hear about it, 958 00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:44,919 Speaker 1: and talk about it for you. Yeah, well, don't worry, 959 00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:46,399 Speaker 1: You're gonna be on there one of these days. I'm 960 00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:51,080 Speaker 1: sure for a whole rehash. Hey, Jason, you appreciated man, 961 00:49:51,160 --> 00:50:02,560 Speaker 1: Thanks a lot, and thanks again for coming on What 962 00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:06,359 Speaker 1: a Podcast Today. To end out the podcast, we're gonna 963 00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,520 Speaker 1: go through some hot topics, some headlines that are happening 964 00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:13,799 Speaker 1: in Bachelor Nation right now. I don't have my amazing 965 00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:15,640 Speaker 1: co host, actually can Eddie here to help me break 966 00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:17,719 Speaker 1: them down, but I was gonna read through them and 967 00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,360 Speaker 1: I want to hear from you all on your thoughts. 968 00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,360 Speaker 1: As we've mentioned many times in this podcast, it is 969 00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,880 Speaker 1: official Peter Webber and Medicine Pruitt have ended their relationship. 970 00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:29,800 Speaker 1: It was a two day relationship, but it was officially 971 00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:34,080 Speaker 1: announced after the dramatic finale that showed Barb voicing her 972 00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,400 Speaker 1: opinion on why they should not be together. That's what 973 00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:40,040 Speaker 1: brought us UH here today, uh to to talk about 974 00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:43,520 Speaker 1: all these things with all of these bachelor's. Uh. In addition, 975 00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:48,279 Speaker 1: Bachelor producer Julie Laploca speaks out about the rumors that 976 00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:51,959 Speaker 1: she got romantic with Peter Webber. As we remember, about 977 00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,080 Speaker 1: half we through the season this year, the rumors came 978 00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:57,600 Speaker 1: out to Peter ended up actually with one of his producers. 979 00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:00,000 Speaker 1: Now we now know that that rumor is not true, 980 00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:03,799 Speaker 1: and Julie has came out to speak out about it. 981 00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,799 Speaker 1: According to the Cosmo, sounds like Julie and Peter are 982 00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:11,600 Speaker 1: just friends. Uh, they are close. She was his day 983 00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,640 Speaker 1: to day producer, which I can attest. Mine was a 984 00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:16,920 Speaker 1: lady named Lindsay. And you do become very close. She 985 00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:20,920 Speaker 1: knows everything about your romantic relationships, your personal relationship. She 986 00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,680 Speaker 1: has met your family and your friends. I get how 987 00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:27,400 Speaker 1: you can become close, and so I believe it when 988 00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,080 Speaker 1: I hear that Julie and Peter are just friends and 989 00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,879 Speaker 1: their relationship blossom from their time together on the show. 990 00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:37,320 Speaker 1: Now are Bachelor expert, huge fan of the show, massive 991 00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,880 Speaker 1: fan of the podcast Easton is here to tell us 992 00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:44,640 Speaker 1: about the headline that says the Bachelor. Kelly Flanagin reveals 993 00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,800 Speaker 1: what Peter Webber's mom, Barb told her at the finale 994 00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,839 Speaker 1: Eastern Take it Away. Thanks Ben, it's been it's really 995 00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,120 Speaker 1: an honor to be on this podcast. Um. So, I 996 00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:56,080 Speaker 1: mean we know that that Peter's mom, you know, she 997 00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,880 Speaker 1: she does not hide her opinions of some of the 998 00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:02,600 Speaker 1: girls go and vying for her son's attention. But uh, 999 00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:06,400 Speaker 1: we just found out that Kelly uh Flan again revealed 1000 00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,360 Speaker 1: that his mom, Barb is a huge fan. She's a 1001 00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:13,200 Speaker 1: huge Kelly stand Uh. And uh she said she did 1002 00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:16,359 Speaker 1: not leave the finale until she met Kelly in person. Uh, 1003 00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,719 Speaker 1: they just had small talk. But but Peter's mom did 1004 00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:20,640 Speaker 1: tell her, You're beautiful, I love you. I've been your 1005 00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,080 Speaker 1: fans since day one, and they're supposed to go shopping. 1006 00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:28,280 Speaker 1: I guess. Oh, man, Ethan, does it feel weird that 1007 00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:33,399 Speaker 1: a mom of Peter or Peter's mom would say that 1008 00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,680 Speaker 1: to an X that Peter obviously has broken up with 1009 00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:41,600 Speaker 1: and probably trying to move on from. Concerning the circumstances, yes, absolutely, 1010 00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:45,200 Speaker 1: and especially since we've seen from Peter that he he 1011 00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:50,360 Speaker 1: values the approval of his mother so much. Uh. And 1012 00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,360 Speaker 1: I just can't imagine what he's thinking. Uh. And you 1013 00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:55,840 Speaker 1: know what's going through his mind as she makes uh 1014 00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:59,840 Speaker 1: this public display of her her affection for Kelly. Uh. 1015 00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,799 Speaker 1: But um, but yeah, they're there. She's she's a big 1016 00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:06,319 Speaker 1: she's a big Kelly fan. Uh. Well, Easton thinks for 1017 00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:10,120 Speaker 1: that update, we appreciate your insight always. Uh. Now we're 1018 00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,160 Speaker 1: gonna have the headline where our new bacherette who has 1019 00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:17,920 Speaker 1: paused filming, Claire Crawley, has clapped back. I guess according 1020 00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:23,120 Speaker 1: to Yahoo Entertainment at her ex Juan Pablo Galvez h 1021 00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:27,319 Speaker 1: she says this. According to Juan Pablo, he's popped up 1022 00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:28,919 Speaker 1: on Twitter again for the first time in a while, 1023 00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:30,959 Speaker 1: and he says, I just saw the guys for Claire 1024 00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,680 Speaker 1: Crawley Batcherette season, and it's going to be interesting seeing 1025 00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:36,920 Speaker 1: her get hit on by kids in their twenties. I 1026 00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,640 Speaker 1: think this might be the third season. I'm gonna watch 1027 00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:45,080 Speaker 1: Claire Crawley says back. And yet here you are older 1028 00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:49,600 Speaker 1: than of them and still can't practice compassion and kindness. 1029 00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:55,960 Speaker 1: It's actually interesting, uh that Juan Pablo and Claire are 1030 00:53:55,960 --> 00:54:00,520 Speaker 1: still feuding over social media years later. Also of interesting 1031 00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,120 Speaker 1: that Want Pablo is back in the spotlight. I think 1032 00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,840 Speaker 1: according to most poles, Waden Pablo goes down is the 1033 00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,560 Speaker 1: least liked bachelor of all time. Uh. And we haven't 1034 00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:12,120 Speaker 1: heard a lot from him recently and uh, now he's back, 1035 00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:16,759 Speaker 1: uh and not in a good way. But he did 1036 00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,400 Speaker 1: respond to Claire saying, Hey, all I want is for 1037 00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:23,200 Speaker 1: you to find love. You are taking it the wrong way, Claire. 1038 00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,640 Speaker 1: I think he's saying that because I think the heat 1039 00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:29,360 Speaker 1: and the pressure on him was pretty intense following his 1040 00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:35,240 Speaker 1: criticism of Claire's men. Well, to end out this podcast, 1041 00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,759 Speaker 1: we talked about it with Ashley earlier this week, but 1042 00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:41,719 Speaker 1: Hannah Brown and Tyler Cameron have fueled dating rumors as 1043 00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:45,600 Speaker 1: there together in Florida as we speak. And also we 1044 00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:49,399 Speaker 1: just saw that Madison Pruett and Selina Gomez have been 1045 00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,200 Speaker 1: hanging out together doing a little date night. Good for them. Hey, 1046 00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,560 Speaker 1: friends should be friends, uh and uh, and if they 1047 00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,760 Speaker 1: want to hang out, they should be hanging out. Well, 1048 00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,520 Speaker 1: almost famous listeners, it's been a pleasure talking today. It's 1049 00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:05,320 Speaker 1: been a pleasure talking to Ari and Jason, UH and Easton. 1050 00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:09,399 Speaker 1: We've had a blast. We will be back together next 1051 00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,759 Speaker 1: week with a few more podcasts. Uh. This week, as 1052 00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,239 Speaker 1: you continue to kind of be hunkered in and hibernating, 1053 00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:19,440 Speaker 1: know that we are out here virtually trying to put 1054 00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,360 Speaker 1: out some entertainment for you, so that we can continue 1055 00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:26,319 Speaker 1: to stay communicative with you. We can continue to entertain you, 1056 00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:30,080 Speaker 1: give you the new news that it comes to Vatro Nation, 1057 00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:33,680 Speaker 1: and just keep hanging out with you, because honestly, during 1058 00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:36,720 Speaker 1: these times of isolation, we're gonna miss people in miss connection. 1059 00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,120 Speaker 1: But I also hope during these times of isolation you 1060 00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:46,240 Speaker 1: spend some time um learning, refocusing, meditating, resting, relaxing, and 1061 00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:49,520 Speaker 1: and getting ready to uh step back out into this 1062 00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:53,319 Speaker 1: world and joined together in connection. Hey, we appreciate you, 1063 00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:56,000 Speaker 1: We love you with that I've been been. I've always 1064 00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,040 Speaker 1: wanted to do this and I have been Eastern. Oh 1065 00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:00,759 Speaker 1: that makes me happy. We'll talk to you later on. 1066 00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:04,600 Speaker 1: Follow the Bennon Ashley I Almost Famous podcasts on I 1067 00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,759 Speaker 1: Heart Radio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.