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Speaker 1: From House top works dot com. Hello and welcome to podcast.

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Speaker 1: This is Molly and I'm Kristen Kristin our question for

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Speaker 1: the day, Can you have an orgasm during choldbirth? Yes

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Speaker 1: you can? And uh, I bet people did not expect

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Speaker 1: because this is such sort of a sensational question, that's

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Speaker 1: why we decided to cover it. There are lots of

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Speaker 1: things to talk about regarding childbirth, and people probably don't

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Speaker 1: but I think that, uh, this is a pretty interesting

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Speaker 1: uh finding and this idea gain traction a few years

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Speaker 1: ago with a documentary called Orgasmic Birth. And when you

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Speaker 1: title a documentary orgasmic birth, you better believe that some

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Speaker 1: one of which was did this segment on orgasmic Birth?

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Speaker 1: And I think the ABC ended up actually airing the

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Speaker 1: entire documentary, which was filmed by a childbirth educator named

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Speaker 1: Deborah Pascali Bonro and Orgasmic Birth is about eleven women

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Speaker 1: who have natural childbirth and a lot of the women

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Speaker 1: birthing pool, so they're in this it looks kind of

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Speaker 1: experience very pleasurable sensations some would describe as orgasms while

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Speaker 1: having a baby. And this childbirth educator said that this

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Speaker 1: she made the documentary to bring awareness to this issue

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Speaker 1: and to tell women that, you know, child could feel

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Speaker 1: Christian Northrop said that an orgasm during labor is basic

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Speaker 1: science because the baby's coming down the same way the

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Speaker 1: activating the same point inside the vagina. And you know, plus,

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Speaker 1: you had all these hormones that are going through your

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Speaker 1: body during childbirth, and it's it's no wonder then that

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Speaker 1: some women experience really pleasurable sensations. Yeah. North Rope describes

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Speaker 1: and Northrop is right, those those hormones are released in

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Speaker 1: is up for debate. Of course, when aired this orgasmic

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Speaker 1: and I think you know that it's definitely happening. That's

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Speaker 1: in hand with these natural birthing processes, right. Because Pascale

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Speaker 1: Bonner said that one of her missions for making the

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