Speaker 1: So you've never eaten enough cheese kurds, where like you
Speaker 1: can't have a bow movement for days, just like days
Speaker 1: on end they say you need all sorts of vice
Speaker 1: for bass. But I could give a ratsass about what
Speaker 1: people say. This is not the right use of ironically.
Speaker 1: It's coincidental. There would be ironic if it were found
Speaker 1: at a school for the visually gifted. I don't even
Speaker 1: really know how to start this. Um, I'm a little sad.
Speaker 1: Good morning, degenerate anglers, and welcome to Bent the Fishing Podcast.
Speaker 1: It's about to tell you something you're not gonna love.
Speaker 1: I'm Joe SURMELI where's my co host Samack? And I
Speaker 1: mean in samac and uh yeah, man, just get it
Speaker 1: over with. Yeah, so value degenerates. This is going to
Speaker 1: be the second too last Bent episode. Hate to have
Speaker 1: to deliver that news, but that's what's up. Tell everybody,
Speaker 1: why Joe, Because I am moving to New Zealand to
Speaker 1: frolic in the Emerald Hills with Mr Miles Nolte. No,
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding, I am. However, do you know I
Speaker 1: have him saved in my phone like that? Yeah? You should?
Speaker 1: I call him that all the time. I'm just kidding
Speaker 1: about a New Zealand no thanks to that. But I am, however,
Speaker 1: leaving meat Eater made that call. And it has been
Speaker 1: an incredible two years here working with some really amazing people.
Speaker 1: And while it's bent truthfully that I will miss the most,
Speaker 1: I just I cannot take it with me as I
Speaker 1: fire up the sputtering two Stroke and shove off for
Speaker 1: the next adventure. So here we are. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: here's to hoping that two Stroke turns over on its
Speaker 1: first trial. Won't will here will the metaphorical two stroke will?
Speaker 1: All good things must come to an end, man? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: But listen, I wanted to. I wanted to give you guys,
Speaker 1: you listeners out there heads up today UM, so that
Speaker 1: you can you can savor this episode and our next
Speaker 1: episode on April fifteenth, which will be our official last.
Speaker 1: But I didn't. I didn't want this to be abrupt.
Speaker 1: I wanted to kind of ease into it, um. And
Speaker 1: we've got something cooked up for our final show next
Speaker 1: week that should be a really fun time. And look, truthfully,
Speaker 1: I'm treating this like a New Orleans funeral. Okay, it's
Speaker 1: a celebration of life, not death, you know, even though
Speaker 1: listeners Joe has officially killed my career as a podcast host.
Speaker 1: Joe giveth Joe take it away. I'm not don't. Let's listen.
Speaker 1: All things are possible. You never know, man, you're gonna
Speaker 1: be You're gonna be fine. And I also, look, I
Speaker 1: want to give I do have to give a massive
Speaker 1: shout out to the crew at thirteen Fishing for their
Speaker 1: support of of Bent, Like we could not have made
Speaker 1: this show without them. And I was truly honored to
Speaker 1: work with a company that that genuinely makes good gear
Speaker 1: that I was psyched to use. Um, those guys are great.
Speaker 1: They have been great, and uh, I know you're joking around,
Speaker 1: but I also did I have to thank you right. Look,
Speaker 1: you you stepped in and stepped up as my formidable
Speaker 1: Bent co host after Miles left, and and this has
Speaker 1: been a blast, It truly has. You've had an entirely
Speaker 1: new flavored event. You've brought creativity and some great segments
Speaker 1: and uh, I from the bottom of my heart, man,
Speaker 1: I'm going to miss this. There's there's absolutely no doubt
Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, yeah, me too. Well, thanks man, you know,
Speaker 1: it was really fun and I'm proud of the work
Speaker 1: that we do. You know, thank you for thank you
Speaker 1: for kind of taking a shot in the dark and
Speaker 1: having me on the show. It was truthfully like one
Speaker 1: of my favorite things. And um, I am going to
Speaker 1: uh I'm gonna miss it, and thank you Joe. Yeah, man, man,
Speaker 1: for sure, I wouldn't I wouldn't have changed anything, nothing.
Speaker 1: And also yeah, thirteen Fishing, you know, thank you so much. Uh,
Speaker 1: we really couldn't have done this without you. And you
Speaker 1: know when I came on as like you know, the
Speaker 1: the co host. Um, you know, one thing drove throughout
Speaker 1: the entirety of my tenure is the co host event.
Speaker 1: I never felt like a replacement man, whether that was
Speaker 1: from like you, whether that was from meat Eater, whether
Speaker 1: that was from our sponsors. Um. So you know, to
Speaker 1: that end, you know, I've already thanked you, have thanked
Speaker 1: meat Eater, But thank you thirteen for like you know,
Speaker 1: also just immediately being like down with me from day one. Man.
Speaker 1: And I said I said this before, I will say
Speaker 1: it again. UM. I mean you shined in the role
Speaker 1: as as taking over news um after Miles left and
Speaker 1: developed into this you know, I mean, you have the
Speaker 1: listeners to thank for you being here. As much as me,
Speaker 1: because I heard nothing but positive things and saying, hey,
Speaker 1: that's your guy. Um, you know and and uh, I
Speaker 1: think I think think we're gonna hear you somewhere again
Speaker 1: at some point, you know what I mean, Like you've
Speaker 1: done a great job at this but right, tired of
Speaker 1: the sadness for a second. You are still coming out
Speaker 1: here this spring, and I we have we have plans
Speaker 1: to fish together. I mean, you can't get COVID a
Speaker 1: second time, right, so I'm assuming this time apparently you can.
Speaker 1: Just for the record, I'm assuming this time the plan
Speaker 1: will hold um and we'll do a little striper smally,
Speaker 1: Shaddon cats combo um, one of those. I'm I'm sure
Speaker 1: one of those fish will become your new favorite. I mean,
Speaker 1: catfish were my favorite. I've caught some stripers, I've caught
Speaker 1: some smally, but you have to catch a shot. So
Speaker 1: perhaps there you go, and if it works out how
Speaker 1: I'm planning, you'll be able to feed yourself for a
Speaker 1: month on the hall. Maybe I'll even give your broken
Speaker 1: some new gear while you're out here, right, I will
Speaker 1: cast some things you're driving so you could fill up
Speaker 1: the shagging wagon. You know what, I mean, that's that's true.
Speaker 1: I'm very much looking forward to it. Listeners won't believe this, man,
Speaker 1: I mean, but but Joe and I have never actually
Speaker 1: met in person. Yeah, I can't actually swear he's a
Speaker 1: real human like I don't really Joe is just the
Speaker 1: friendly but kind of grumpy man that lives in my computer. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that that is true. Um. Anyway, look, the important thing
Speaker 1: right now is that Bent is not done yet. Damn it.
Speaker 1: This is not our last show. So with that in mind,
Speaker 1: let's let's get back down to what we do best.
Speaker 1: Because um, let's just say next week's closer is gonna
Speaker 1: be laid out a little different than normal, right, So
Speaker 1: we're gonna cut into our covering water segment here, which
Speaker 1: we have not done in a while, and that's our
Speaker 1: rapid fire Q and A segment. And this is a
Speaker 1: fitting one because part of the reason that I wanted
Speaker 1: you on the show is because we have so much
Speaker 1: background in common. Like we both have musical backgrounds, were
Speaker 1: both from the East. Uh, different tastes in music perhaps,
Speaker 1: but similar backgrounds. Nonetheless, you know, yes, we've we've actually
Speaker 1: got one of the fellas from bon Ivor or bone
Speaker 1: Verre oncovering Water today and uh, it's our it's our buddy.
Speaker 1: He goes by s Carry that's name of his solo project.
Speaker 1: About that you talked about his new album, and uh
Speaker 1: and we got like this email that you know, having
Speaker 1: had a music career, I immediately recognized as a publicist email,
Speaker 1: but like all good publicist emails, it was attention grabbing. Uh,
Speaker 1: straight from the jump. I read it and I was like,
Speaker 1: you know what, Joe, we ought to have this dude
Speaker 1: on and a little bit of a little bit of convincing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: partially it was like, dude, like, I'm out of here anyway,
Speaker 1: just get whoever you want. Okay, we'll take I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding, but I I will say this by now.
Speaker 1: You guys know, I hope that I'm like the punk metal,
Speaker 1: hardcore guy, like that's my deal, That's that's just my jam.
Speaker 1: But my wife, who does not like punk metal and
Speaker 1: hardcore music, was very impressed. And we have extremely different
Speaker 1: tastes in music. So while I was curious to talk
Speaker 1: to Sean, her excitement told me that this this may
Speaker 1: not be my new head bang Onto the Way to
Speaker 1: the River band. I'm going in I can hold it. No,
Speaker 1: I'm all right. So joining us for covering water today
Speaker 1: is Sean Kerry, whom you may be familiar with through
Speaker 1: his work for a little act called Bony There. Sean,
Speaker 1: thanks for joining us, man, no problem, Thanks so much
Speaker 1: for having me, Sean. Can I can? I ask? Because
Speaker 1: I'm certainly aware of the band, although I'm a little
Speaker 1: bit more of like a chug a chug a misfits
Speaker 1: kind of every time I think, what what does that
Speaker 1: name mean? Can you translate that for the listeners? Is
Speaker 1: there something behind that? It means good winter? Um? When
Speaker 1: justin the main dude came up with the name, he
Speaker 1: just didn't know that winter was spelled with an H
Speaker 1: in French. Got it? So he yeah, he signed a
Speaker 1: letter to his friend, um, good winter and just it
Speaker 1: looks looks like bon effort, but it's actually BONI I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, does it get obnoxious with people? Just
Speaker 1: like saying bon Iver? Like? Is I like, I imagine
Speaker 1: you get that? No, I'm him into all the pronunciations. Well, dude,
Speaker 1: I was joking with somebody today. I was like, you
Speaker 1: know what, I've been screwing that name up for like
Speaker 1: ten years and this is like the first time that
Speaker 1: it's actually mattered at all. Um. But moving off, how
Speaker 1: how did you get how how do you end up
Speaker 1: get involved in that project? Oh? Man? I UM. I
Speaker 1: actually approached Justin at his first gig as Boni be
Speaker 1: um and we sort of knew each other, um from
Speaker 1: the music scene, but I was a little bit younger,
Speaker 1: and I just I learned like all of his songs
Speaker 1: um when they were posted on my Space. If you
Speaker 1: can remember that, Wow, I remember my song very well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: um and yeah, I just like I was in music
Speaker 1: school at the time, so I just took like a
Speaker 1: studious approach to learning all of his tunes and he
Speaker 1: was kind of blown away by that. And we've been
Speaker 1: playing ever since. Very cool, very cool. So you also, um,
Speaker 1: you you have a solo project in the words right
Speaker 1: as carry tell us a little bit about that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: as Carrie started um kind of after the first bony
Speaker 1: Very tour. I was so inspired to do my own
Speaker 1: thing and um, write my own songs and just kind
Speaker 1: of riding that wave. And so I started that project
Speaker 1: project and I've been done four full length records, the
Speaker 1: fourth ones coming out next month. Awesome, awesome, So okay, listeners.
Speaker 1: You you probably know his music on in in one
Speaker 1: capacity or another. And while I'd like to sit here
Speaker 1: and talk music all day long, what you might not
Speaker 1: know is that Sean is also a very dedicated angler
Speaker 1: based no Claire, Wisconsin man like outdoorsman musician crossover is
Speaker 1: something I relate to, and it's pretty unique and more
Speaker 1: common than a lot of folks might think. Right off
Speaker 1: the top of my head, I think of our pal, uh,
Speaker 1: Dave Ceminett from Trampled by Turtles. Musicians seemed to be
Speaker 1: drawn to fly fishing for whatever reason, Like it's a
Speaker 1: it's a it's a thing. How do you end up
Speaker 1: getting into fly fishing and what draws you to it?
Speaker 1: I think a Ted Nugent, by the way, I think
Speaker 1: Ted Nugent's a fly fish man. I think Uncle Ted's
Speaker 1: pretty much just running and gunning out in Texas. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, how are you gonna talk about musician? How
Speaker 1: door has been crossovers without talking about tedw a lot
Speaker 1: of musical similarities to Yeah, um, yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: grew up fishing, uh, And then when I moved to
Speaker 1: Claire for college, I met this guy named Ben Lester
Speaker 1: and we were both percussionists, and he was an avid
Speaker 1: fly angler, so we started fishing together and you know,
Speaker 1: by the end of that first summer fishing with him,
Speaker 1: I completely switched over to uh to fly and it's yeah,
Speaker 1: I haven't looked back since. So one thing I'm always
Speaker 1: curious about Sean, like when whenever I get to talk
Speaker 1: to a touring musician in particular, is your schedule just
Speaker 1: too busy to to squeeze any of that in on
Speaker 1: the road, Because I always wonder, like you travel in
Speaker 1: the country, you have to end up in some places
Speaker 1: they would have some pretty damn good fishing, Like is
Speaker 1: there is there a sixth weight like stashed on the
Speaker 1: tour bus kind of deal. You know, I have fished
Speaker 1: on tour before and I need to like make it
Speaker 1: more of a priority. But uh, yeah, we're we're talking
Speaker 1: about um because there's now there's a few of us
Speaker 1: in the crew that that do it. So we're yeah,
Speaker 1: we're definitely gonna have a little a little road case
Speaker 1: that just goes with us. But yeah, I've been able
Speaker 1: to Um, we did we did a house show tour
Speaker 1: with s carry. Um. We did three of them. Actually
Speaker 1: this was a few back, but we kind of like
Speaker 1: planned them around um fishing destinations or you know, we
Speaker 1: took like three days off between UM SOLTI in Denver
Speaker 1: and just fished our way. Um. Oh, that's a good
Speaker 1: strip if you're gonna yeah, if you have right there.
Speaker 1: So we did that in a couple of places, and
Speaker 1: you know, brought out all our camping and cooking gear
Speaker 1: and it didn't feel like tour. It felt like a
Speaker 1: fishing trip where we had to play shows at night.
Speaker 1: So well, that's a pretty damn good fishing trip, man,
Speaker 1: because like all there is normally to do at night
Speaker 1: is like drink beer and eat mountain house anyhow, So, Sean,
Speaker 1: in this segment, we like to kind of get into
Speaker 1: the minds of our guests via some rapid fire Q
Speaker 1: and A yeah, it's it's uh. We always like to
Speaker 1: say it's like a it's sort of an interview, except
Speaker 1: you don't really have any time to think about your
Speaker 1: answers to our questions. We're just gonna what we do
Speaker 1: is we're just gonna throw two minutes on the clock
Speaker 1: and we're just gonna rapid fire some questions at you
Speaker 1: and then what we'll do though at the end, we
Speaker 1: promise is give you one minute to elaborate on any
Speaker 1: of your answers. So the idea is you just just
Speaker 1: kind of spit them out and then you can elaborate
Speaker 1: on not anyone that as we always say, like whatever
Speaker 1: the career ender was, whatever was like ship, I shouldn't
Speaker 1: have said that, that's the one you can elaborate on.
Speaker 1: I love it sounds like a good deal. Yeah, let's
Speaker 1: do it all right. Uh, two minutes on the clock
Speaker 1: and begin PR Smallmouth or PR Trout Trout, Gibson flying
Speaker 1: v or B C Rich Warlock, flying Dych Brown on
Speaker 1: a streamer or an eighteen inch Brookie on a dry
Speaker 1: fly Brown on the streamer. Okay, because you're from Wisconsin.
Speaker 1: White cheese cards or orange cheese cards. I don't like them.
Speaker 1: A career ender, Uh Okay. Money is not a factor
Speaker 1: without being able to resell it. Would you rather have
Speaker 1: any vintage synth like a Jupiter eight or some ship
Speaker 1: or a vintage acoustic guitar maybe like a like a
Speaker 1: sixty who gives some dove or something like that. M Okay,
Speaker 1: so I know you're a fly guy, but still testing
Speaker 1: the limits of that. Would you rather catch a thirty
Speaker 1: musk on a fly or a fifty or on a
Speaker 1: live sucker on the sticking the fly man, alright, can't
Speaker 1: live without it? Fishing accessory? Like what is your like
Speaker 1: not not not your rod and your real but like
Speaker 1: what is the can't live without it fishing accessory? Sunglasses?
Speaker 1: Good one? Okay, alright, first fly rod you ever owned
Speaker 1: it was a Reddington three forks. Oh yeah, okay, that's
Speaker 1: a good one. Man. Alright, Skinny Love or Enter Sandman,
Speaker 1: Skinny bon Jovi or Bond Scott. I don't know who
Speaker 1: Bond Scott. Okay, alright, alright, favorite DC right, yes, sir,
Speaker 1: all right? Uh, favorite part of everybody likes a CDC
Speaker 1: on some level, apparently not that much. Favorite part of tour,
Speaker 1: Oh the shows. Okay, that's a good part. Okay. One
Speaker 1: place at other part. One place you've always wanted to
Speaker 1: fly fish but haven't gotten there yet, Patagonia. Ah, that's
Speaker 1: a good one, me too. Least favorite part of tour's
Speaker 1: sort of travel. Okay, last one again, because you're from Wisconsin,
Speaker 1: Charlie Barons fan or no, yeah, all right, we go
Speaker 1: that's it. That is man, So we promised you one
Speaker 1: minute to sort of dive a little deeper into any
Speaker 1: one of those answers, Sean which an anyone jump out
Speaker 1: at you? Do you want to tell us a little
Speaker 1: bit more about I mean, the cheese is gonna no no, no,
Speaker 1: no no. But I'm not gonna tell you which one
Speaker 1: to pick. You can pick anyone you want. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: I'd like to hear more about the cheese curds, but
Speaker 1: it's it's your time on the floor. Man. I like,
Speaker 1: I grew up not liking cheese, but I've I've grown
Speaker 1: more more to like it. But um, whatever, I like
Speaker 1: them fried, I like whatever cheese curd is. Friend, I
Speaker 1: just I don't like them. So you've never never eaten
Speaker 1: enough cheese curds, where like you can't have a bow
Speaker 1: movement for days, just like days on end, I haven't
Speaker 1: had that luxury, and it is a luxury. Okay, alright, alright, alright, man,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for for coming on with us.
Speaker 1: That was a fun one. Um, so real quick, you're
Speaker 1: you're you're coming out with your latest soul album. I
Speaker 1: believe it's your fourth, titled break Me Open on jag
Speaker 1: Jaguar Uh that will be available April. Tell us a
Speaker 1: little bit about it. Where folks will be able to
Speaker 1: listen and where they can find you on tour and
Speaker 1: on social Yeah. I'm so excited about this record. UM.
Speaker 1: It's been years in making and UM we are doing
Speaker 1: two tours in the US and at the end of
Speaker 1: April we're doing the East Coast and then UM in
Speaker 1: July and we head out west. UM hoping to bring
Speaker 1: the fly rod for sure. Are you are you? Are
Speaker 1: you hitting any days? Hey? Don't I gonna say, don't
Speaker 1: exclude it in the East Man. If you need some locations,
Speaker 1: you let me know. I'm a I'm a Jersey Philly
Speaker 1: gu Yeah. I fished um um in New York and
Speaker 1: Jersey and Vermont. I think on the right arm. Are
Speaker 1: you are you? Are you making any stops in Philly? Yep?
Speaker 1: Where where are you playing? Um? It's full ship, It's
Speaker 1: it's I don't remember. Do you remember what the room
Speaker 1: cap is? I might. It's likely a bigger venue than
Speaker 1: you and I ever played in Philly. Hayden. I think
Speaker 1: we can kind of leave it out. No, we know
Speaker 1: for scary we played pretty small room. I think it's
Speaker 1: part of the World Cafe. Okay and Joe I have
Speaker 1: played there multiple times. So all right, So, and where
Speaker 1: can folks find you on social man? Um, I'm a
Speaker 1: scary picks um on Instagram and uh I'm on Twitter
Speaker 1: a little bit, um. But yeah, and then music will
Speaker 1: be on all the streaming platforms and yeah, buy a
Speaker 1: record if you like that too. Yeah yeah alright man. Well, hey,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on. I'm really looking
Speaker 1: forward to the album. I wish you all the best
Speaker 1: on your tour and uh, all all the fishing excursions
Speaker 1: bound to be thrown in there. Um yeah, man, thanks again,
Speaker 1: thank you guys, fan of what you do in the
Speaker 1: mediator community in general, so thank you. Thanks man. So, yeah, degenerates,
Speaker 1: check that out. I think you should check that out. Um.
Speaker 1: But like, how are you gonna not know Bond Scott
Speaker 1: Like that was a slate, that was a slight red flag.
Speaker 1: Look look see man, this is where I disagree with you.
Speaker 1: Like you have factions of you know, when we're talking
Speaker 1: about classic rocky of like factions, and I sort of
Speaker 1: put a C d C in with like Alice Cooper Kiss,
Speaker 1: you know, acts like that. I would never consider them
Speaker 1: in the same arena as like Cream or Hendrix or
Speaker 1: The Doors. Um, and I don't like a C d
Speaker 1: C very much, completely honest. You know, I don't care
Speaker 1: you don't like Leonard Skinner. I don't like Leonard SKINNERD haven't.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah I would. I would put like a CDC
Speaker 1: almost in with anyway. Um then again, my classic preferences
Speaker 1: are more uh like t Rex Bowie, like I like
Speaker 1: that glam shit. Then uh then like I don't know,
Speaker 1: Bob Dylan, Velvet Underground, etcetera, etcetera. Um, all this is said,
Speaker 1: I think you got like a little too hung up
Speaker 1: on the bomb. Well, it was kind of a joke.
Speaker 1: I was also going to throw in the question Bono
Speaker 1: or Bonzo, but then I didn't. Although I don't know,
Speaker 1: Sean seemed like a fun guy, like he was having
Speaker 1: a good time. I probably I like that, dude. I
Speaker 1: just think it's funny that it's bony there, and like,
Speaker 1: you know, everybody who reads just like bon Iver, Like
Speaker 1: I said to you, like who we han't on the
Speaker 1: bon bon Iver? Is that a guy You're like? No, Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I forget if it made it to
Speaker 1: the actual interview, but I was like, you know, I've
Speaker 1: been calling you got like you know, bon Iver, Bony
Speaker 1: they like da da da da for like years and
Speaker 1: I haven't really ever dedicated myself to learning the correct
Speaker 1: pronunciation of it, and like this is the first time
Speaker 1: that has ever kind of mattered a little bit. He
Speaker 1: was a sport though. He was good. It was and
Speaker 1: you guys know I'm not gonna pronouncing stuff. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: he was. He was a good sport and uh it
Speaker 1: was a good time. And you know what else would
Speaker 1: be a good times that beating your ass one last
Speaker 1: time in the final showdown, we call fish news. Fish News.
Speaker 1: That escalated quickly. So you know, we've used the front
Speaker 1: of News for a year and a half to sort
Speaker 1: of be our I don't know, our shout out kind
Speaker 1: of that this is our spot to to shout out
Speaker 1: listeners and shout out fans, and uh, I think it's
Speaker 1: only fitting that that we use this space this time
Speaker 1: as a huge thank you directly to all the listeners.
Speaker 1: And we have one show left and we're gonna thank
Speaker 1: you a whole bunch more than um. But yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I I sort of I just feel the need to
Speaker 1: to just take this this moment right before news to
Speaker 1: to just thank you guys so much for listening. To
Speaker 1: news because sometimes news is a ship show. Like let's
Speaker 1: just be honest, right Like in terms of making the podcast. Okay,
Speaker 1: news is important, I get it, and we like to
Speaker 1: keep you up to date on things. Um, but yeah,
Speaker 1: like it can be a little grindy at times, and
Speaker 1: um sometimes we're long winded. Sometimes we say dumb ship
Speaker 1: and you're probably thinking, why would you even flag that
Speaker 1: as a story because not much was exactly Sometimes things
Speaker 1: just aren't happening and fishing. But I also want to
Speaker 1: thank everybody, uh, you know for listening and powering through
Speaker 1: with uh you know, I mean sometimes why we figured
Speaker 1: new ship out man, sometimes why we tested new things,
Speaker 1: why we try new things, and uh and always offering
Speaker 1: your feedback on either like a follow up to the
Speaker 1: news story, a correction to the news store We've heard.
Speaker 1: We appreciated that. One of the best parts of this
Speaker 1: make no mistake was was incorporating you guys and hearing
Speaker 1: from you guys. And we certainly hope, at least I
Speaker 1: do that I keep hearing from you no matter what
Speaker 1: the future brings. You know what I mean, you guys
Speaker 1: know where to reach us on the grams and uh yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know, we embraced every correction and every mispronunciation
Speaker 1: and tried to give you guys as kids. I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe more so do you, um you know, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna miss people messaging. We go and come get
Speaker 1: your boy. He's over here doing some weird shittya. But yeah,
Speaker 1: like you you guys, you guys made bent what it
Speaker 1: was and it's it is said that this is the
Speaker 1: final news. But also I'm like, man, I don't have
Speaker 1: to think of any news next week. Like there's a
Speaker 1: little bit of like damn, you know, I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1: There's a little relief there for sure, But you know what,
Speaker 1: we gotta finish where we started. And you started this
Speaker 1: whole conservation minutes thing, so we to the to the
Speaker 1: last one. We are sticking to it. We're not gonna
Speaker 1: We're not gonna scrimp. So before we get into it,
Speaker 1: here's my conservation minute, right. The Center for Biological Diversity
Speaker 1: filed a legal petition seeking Endangered Species Act protection for
Speaker 1: the rough head shiner. This is in Virginia and olive
Speaker 1: colored minnow found only in the Upper James River watership. Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you hang one under under bober it's gone, uh yeah.
Speaker 1: And there're three inch fish name for the bumps on
Speaker 1: their heads, um and they live mainly in the cow
Speaker 1: Pasture River and its tributary creeks in Allegheny, Bath, and
Speaker 1: Craig Counties. UM. And there's a quote in here from
Speaker 1: Tiara Curry, a senior scientist at the Center. She says
Speaker 1: the rough head Shiner is an emblem of the quiet
Speaker 1: extinction crisis unfolding in our nation's rivers. Endangered Species Act
Speaker 1: Protection will bring a recovery plan to pull it back
Speaker 1: from the brink. The shiner was first identified as threatened
Speaker 1: fifty years ago and was put on a waiting list
Speaker 1: for federal protection. The state of Virginia has identified it
Speaker 1: as a species of critical concern, but doesn't have the
Speaker 1: necessary funding for monitoring or restoration. Final quote here, people
Speaker 1: ask why save one little fish when there are so
Speaker 1: many other kinds? But it's like march madness, Curry says,
Speaker 1: How boring would it be without all of the different teams?
Speaker 1: She says, the rough head Shiner is like St. Peter's
Speaker 1: finally getting its day in the sun. I thought that
Speaker 1: was cute. That is not at all what that's like anyhow,
Speaker 1: onto my conservation minute uh per Lake County News dot com.
Speaker 1: California Department of Fish and Wildlife Director Charlton H. Bonhom
Speaker 1: has assessed entanglement risk under the Risk Assessment Mitigation Program.
Speaker 1: Otherwise an in his ramp and announced the closure of
Speaker 1: the commercial dungeness crab fishery in fishing zones three, four
Speaker 1: or five and six. Uh. God, I knew there was
Speaker 1: gonna be something I couldn't pronounce here. Uh that's uh,
Speaker 1: Sonoma and Mendocino County line Mendocino you think, Okay, Mendocino
Speaker 1: County line to the US Mexico border, effective at noon
Speaker 1: on April eighth two. Basically, whales can't avoid this is
Speaker 1: not the quote. Uh. Basically whales can't avoid crab pot lines.
Speaker 1: So the season is being closed to up less whales.
Speaker 1: Uh and we we we actually cover this before when
Speaker 1: it came to alternative devices to avoid uh, the rope
Speaker 1: the ropeless lobster pots. Right. So I guess the entirety
Speaker 1: of the commercial crab lobster fishing industry didn't hear my
Speaker 1: story and immediately change their tune. Weird? Well, they should,
Speaker 1: they should, They should pipe up it's now We're never
Speaker 1: crabbing lobster industry, even though those pots are like hundreds
Speaker 1: of thousands of dollars. Anyway, look to the bitter end,
Speaker 1: this is a competition. We do not know which story
Speaker 1: the other guy is bringing this week. That is the truth.
Speaker 1: And I mean this is gonna be one final legendary
Speaker 1: way in from Phil though. I think if Phil is available,
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna hear some some fresh fill, some
Speaker 1: live film maybe in our final show. But this is
Speaker 1: the official last news weigh in. I just cannot wait
Speaker 1: to see what he cooked up. And it's my lead,
Speaker 1: which is fitting. Um, it's last one. It is my lead.
Speaker 1: So you know, over the course of Bent, we have
Speaker 1: rolled our eyes kind of at fish record stories. Right,
Speaker 1: We've done them time to time when appropriate, and as
Speaker 1: we've know else, I was gonna say, as we already noted,
Speaker 1: sometimes we just couldn't find anything better that week, right,
Speaker 1: And I think the Mighty Phil even once famously said
Speaker 1: he will not give a win to record stories anymore
Speaker 1: because there was a period when man, they were just
Speaker 1: like just flying out the mouth. Um, so how fitting
Speaker 1: that I close with a record story of sorts. But
Speaker 1: it's not about a specific record or fish, but records
Speaker 1: in general. And damn it, I'm doing this to ensure
Speaker 1: that you walk away from my final news filing with
Speaker 1: information that you can use to better yourself on the water.
Speaker 1: That is, that is the damn bent seal of approval
Speaker 1: as we walk out the door. So this story comes
Speaker 1: to us from the story, right exactly, that's fine, that's
Speaker 1: fine anyway. So this comes from the Duluth News Tribune,
Speaker 1: and it's about data collected by the Lure Love podcast.
Speaker 1: And what they've done is compiled the most detailed list
Speaker 1: of record setting lures I've ever seen. Now, this, mind you,
Speaker 1: is a pretty painstaking process because my understanding, Joe is
Speaker 1: trying to line up going to the Lure Love podcast.
Speaker 1: That's where you're gonna hear Joe next. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe that's yeah, That's that's where I'm headed, Guys, the
Speaker 1: Loure Love podcast. Lure Love, Joe's from Elly. Now, don't
Speaker 1: make fun of those guys. Let's into what they did, right,
Speaker 1: I'm so not making fun of you. Okay, Well, that's
Speaker 1: that's fine. You can do that for forever. Um. So,
Speaker 1: this is a painstaking process because, as I understand it.
Speaker 1: While the International Game Fish Association keeps the records, the
Speaker 1: things that caught each fish are not set up in
Speaker 1: a database that can be searched or ranked by bait,
Speaker 1: fly or lore, which means whoever runs that podcast did
Speaker 1: this ship manually. Here's a quote from the story. The
Speaker 1: folks at lore Love podcast looked at nineteen thousand, six
Speaker 1: hundred records for one thousand, six hundred forty nine species
Speaker 1: of fresh and saltwater fish, including six thousand, seven fourteen
Speaker 1: current record holders and twelve thousand, ninety six retired record
Speaker 1: fish that once held the record but have since been beaten. Now,
Speaker 1: the caveat here is that there are no requirements for
Speaker 1: the level of detail, and angler has to provide the
Speaker 1: i g f A when he or she submits a catch. So,
Speaker 1: as the story notes, some records simply say lure in
Speaker 1: the space on the forum for what caught the fish.
Speaker 1: So the fellows at lore Love collected all this data,
Speaker 1: factored in some of these vague entries, did a little
Speaker 1: scratch math, and they came up with a few different lists.
Speaker 1: One was records per lure style, the other was by
Speaker 1: specific lure brand. So we're gonna add just for sheets,
Speaker 1: a little touch of trivia here and fishing caught all
Speaker 1: of that. Can you guess which lure style has claimed
Speaker 1: the most world record fish? Folks at home, take a
Speaker 1: second to think about your answer. This is just a style,
Speaker 1: not a specific lord, just a a category of lure.
Speaker 1: Am I supposed to guess? Now? Yes, stick bates incorrect.
Speaker 1: The correct answer is jig now of course, uh. Since
Speaker 1: jig was such a common answer, it's almost impossible to
Speaker 1: break jigs out into further categories. But to me, I
Speaker 1: don't really believe that matters all that much, because in
Speaker 1: my mind, it's just proof that the action of a
Speaker 1: jig is hard to beat, and it doesn't really matter
Speaker 1: what kind of jig we're talking about. A hair jig, right,
Speaker 1: is pretty much doing the same thing in the water
Speaker 1: for walleyes as a bucktail jig is doing for stripers,
Speaker 1: as a flair hawk is doing for snook as a
Speaker 1: jig and pig is doing for bass. It's the same
Speaker 1: basic action in the same basic designs. So per the
Speaker 1: findings these guys findings, jigs of some sort a jig
Speaker 1: has claimed one thousand, one five world record fish. So
Speaker 1: next question any guests at the second most record catching
Speaker 1: lore style spoon. That is correct, spoon spoon is the
Speaker 1: number two. But here's what's fascinating. Jigs caught one thousand,
Speaker 1: one five world record fish. Take a swing at the
Speaker 1: total number of record fish. The number two spoon has
Speaker 1: caught two seven very close two hundred and eleven, so
Speaker 1: that that is a staggering difference right between the number
Speaker 1: one and number two slots for the most world record
Speaker 1: catching this lure um. The number three spot is held
Speaker 1: by plastic Worms slash grubs with one world records, followed
Speaker 1: by Plugs in the number four spot with a hundred
Speaker 1: and seventy seven world records. Now, as I mentioned, the
Speaker 1: lure Love team also took the liberty God bless him
Speaker 1: of breaking down the count by brand, and the number
Speaker 1: one slot by brand should be no surprise. But let's
Speaker 1: see how good you are. Which lower brand holds more
Speaker 1: world records than any other Hashimoto concepts? Uh uh no,
Speaker 1: The answer is Rapela with a total of four nine
Speaker 1: world records. And it's it's I said before that Plugs
Speaker 1: only caught one and seventy seven world records. But Plugs
Speaker 1: before because I did say that before absolutely I absolutely did,
Speaker 1: followed by plugs in the number four spot with a
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy seven world records, but plugs in the
Speaker 1: other category and the other bracket did not encompass crank baits,
Speaker 1: top orders and jerk baits. They were all ranked separately,
Speaker 1: So those four nine records for Rappola are across all categories.
Speaker 1: Rappla plays in not just the original rapple of floater.
Speaker 1: UH number two brand any guesses? God, you're such a
Speaker 1: nerd man. I'm done with this, um number two brand?
Speaker 1: Um No, I don't have a guess. MAPS takes the
Speaker 1: number two spot with world records, but interestingly, inline spinners
Speaker 1: account for only one world records total, So if nine
Speaker 1: of them belong to MAPS, good for you, MEPs, way
Speaker 1: to slack off their Panther Martin where you at. Panther
Speaker 1: has only ever claimed seventeen world records total. Um how
Speaker 1: many of the Swiss wing I E I'd have to
Speaker 1: go back to the listening hold on a second, how
Speaker 1: many in line spinner records were there? So, according to
Speaker 1: their findings, there are one hundred and ten world record
Speaker 1: fish that have been caught on inline spinners, and then
Speaker 1: according to their brand findings. Of those ten were on
Speaker 1: maps spinners and how many were on the other one,
Speaker 1: Panther Martin It well, it says seventeen. But keep in
Speaker 1: mind they don't just make inline spinners. That could be
Speaker 1: a Panther Martin vivif or you know some of the
Speaker 1: soft plastic stuff they make, so it's it's not necessarily
Speaker 1: broken down that way. Welcome to gotcha journalism, folks. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: now I found this fascinating. The number three spot goes
Speaker 1: to yo Zuri, which is fascinating because compared to other
Speaker 1: brands on that list, it really hasn't been around all
Speaker 1: that long, so that says something about yo Zuri. Um,
Speaker 1: it far out ranks brands like Cordell, Rebel and Rooster Tail.
Speaker 1: So that's it. And props to the lower Love podcast
Speaker 1: is for doing all that painstaking work so somebody else
Speaker 1: like me or Hayden didn't have to. Um and as
Speaker 1: you are, you brought up thirteen. I'm going to make
Speaker 1: it my personal mission to get a thirteen more ranked
Speaker 1: world record rock bass on a poppy pop face tune
Speaker 1: in this summer. Watch it happen live, Well, Joe, what
Speaker 1: a what a wonderful. Uh you know, I did this
Speaker 1: kind of the same thing that Shark Trivia, the Hayden
Speaker 1: Shark a Shark Attack Trivia Challenge quiz show, Hayden's Jaws
Speaker 1: Pop Quiz Retribution Shark and Shark Attack Trivia Challenge Quiz Show.
Speaker 1: So your poem I didn't keep RELI yeah. Yeah. As
Speaker 1: soon as that was done, I was like, it's time
Speaker 1: for me to leave. No, I'm just kidding. Please enter
Speaker 1: your password. You have one unheard message, Joe, Joe, well
Speaker 1: even be here like one of those sad dogs and
Speaker 1: Sarah McLaughlin commercial. Man, come on, all right, Well, I
Speaker 1: hope everything turns out good for you, Joe and you
Speaker 1: get to do all the things in your fishy future. Man,
Speaker 1: it was a lot of fun. Um. Also you for abandoning,
Speaker 1: all right by Joe. End of message delete press seven
Speaker 1: save deleted. Okay, So, for a final time this weekend
Speaker 1: fish News, I actually did a real story. We're covering something,
Speaker 1: thank you. Um, we're covering something super heavy and catastrophe. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: uh not just kidding. We're gonna end it on a
Speaker 1: pretty neutral note. Here with the story courtesy of shoal
Speaker 1: in the Guardian and that's uh, that's two publications, SHOAL
Speaker 1: and The Guardian. Uh not a maritime themed in the
Speaker 1: rock band anyway. Uh. SHOAL has just released there are
Speaker 1: one guide of newly discovered species. The document details of
Speaker 1: discovery of two and twelve species of freshwater fish, with
Speaker 1: notable entries given some extra love upfront. Basically, it's a
Speaker 1: guide to eight or ten fish that are cool slash
Speaker 1: do cool ship and then a list of a bunch
Speaker 1: of other less cool fish. Um. We we've actually talked
Speaker 1: about this right by the way ahead. We've actually talked
Speaker 1: about the SHOAL organization before. When when I highlighted the
Speaker 1: discovery of a fish I could have pronounced in an
Speaker 1: area I also couldn't pronounced. I think it was somewhere
Speaker 1: in Turkey and I forget. I just remember that Miles
Speaker 1: called me and gave me a bunch of ship over.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because you couldn't pronounce the Turkish president's name.
Speaker 1: Yeah whatever, still can't. SHOAL is an organization whose mission
Speaker 1: it is to discover, rediscover and document fresh water fish
Speaker 1: is As far as I know, they're the single largest
Speaker 1: organization highlighting the important but often overlook conservation issues surrounding
Speaker 1: those fresh water fish. So I got the story from
Speaker 1: the Guardian. But rather than explicating the article, let's just
Speaker 1: dive into what you guys really want to hear about
Speaker 1: the cool fish at the top of the list. Let's
Speaker 1: start with this banger, the wolverine pleco. Love it. I
Speaker 1: just love the word pleco. Pleco is good. I've had
Speaker 1: some plecos and some tanks. Yeah, yeah, well there you go.
Speaker 1: So uh. Pleaco is an armored catfish, a popular aquarium fish,
Speaker 1: and in many cases, an extremely invasive species. In fact,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure you you did a store on them
Speaker 1: in Texas. Texas. They're overrun with what they're around with
Speaker 1: them some bitches down there. You need some platos. Don't
Speaker 1: go to pet Smart, go to Texas well. Enter the
Speaker 1: wolverine pleco. Now, Joe, what is the primary defense mechanism
Speaker 1: of a catfish, aside from being slippery and breaking leaders
Speaker 1: right at the boat, all kinds of sharp, pointy spines
Speaker 1: and junk. Indeed, the spines. Like many other species of catfish,
Speaker 1: the wolverine pleco has spines, but unlike many species of catfish,
Speaker 1: the arm replecco has these kind of like spiny arm
Speaker 1: projections right by its guilt plates, and it's actually able
Speaker 1: to thrust those at predators and I guess presumably pray
Speaker 1: maybe maximal thrust. Yeah, yeah, it doesn't say that in
Speaker 1: the report, but it sounds cool. Uh sorry science anyway. Uh,
Speaker 1: that's where it gets its name after the X Men character,
Speaker 1: because of its ability to thrust its spines up its
Speaker 1: little fish arms. It should also be noted that these
Speaker 1: things up researchers so much that they included this quote
Speaker 1: we all had our fingers injured or bleeding by the
Speaker 1: violence of them trying to pinch us with their big
Speaker 1: lateral hooks on the head in the official report. Did
Speaker 1: you just make a salad fingers reference? No, no, I
Speaker 1: said my fingers hurt, which is uh from everybody knows
Speaker 1: where that's from. It from Billy Madison. No, it's it's
Speaker 1: not from Happy Gilmore to Gilmore. That's why I don't
Speaker 1: deserve to be here, because I just confused Happy Gilmore
Speaker 1: and Billy Madison. I'm I apologize so much, among other things. Anyway,
Speaker 1: So there was another notable find, and it came from India.
Speaker 1: The Mumbai blind Eel a red eyelis demon snake fish.
Speaker 1: While that in itself is kind of cool, the real
Speaker 1: coincidence is where they found it. For the report, the
Speaker 1: eel was found quote somewhat ironically for a blind fish,
Speaker 1: a forty ft well on the premises of a school
Speaker 1: for the blind. Okay, And I'd like to point out
Speaker 1: that this is not the right use of ironically. It's coincidental.
Speaker 1: It would be ironic if it were found at a
Speaker 1: school for the visually gifted. That's terrific. There's a T
Speaker 1: shirt wrapped up in there somewhere anyway. Yeah. So, so
Speaker 1: finally we have a new species of trout found in
Speaker 1: Turkey Salmo bliki. Uh. First off, anytime there's like a
Speaker 1: new trout discovered, I get a little bit excited because one,
Speaker 1: I like the fishery trout and of the time they're
Speaker 1: like beautiful fish. This one looks like something halfway between,
Speaker 1: like a a bowl in brown trout with like dime
Speaker 1: sized orange spots, Like have you ever seen like somebody
Speaker 1: post a picture of a brown with like those crazy
Speaker 1: big like ten twenty scale like orange like you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: just yeah. It sounds like somebody is already there filming
Speaker 1: it for the fly Fishing film tours, so we'll see
Speaker 1: it next season. Yeah. Well that said, Um, this very
Speaker 1: pretty fish is in a serious peril because by the
Speaker 1: time researchers discovered it and recognized it as a separate species,
Speaker 1: it already become the victim of ghost fishing. Ghost fishing,
Speaker 1: which sounds like what you'd call texting a potential love
Speaker 1: interest a picture of someone else and then ignoring them
Speaker 1: forever once they respond. Uh. As far as I could tell,
Speaker 1: it's just a weird way of saying poaching. Um. Although
Speaker 1: there are strict rules in place to protect trout in
Speaker 1: this region, they're often flat out ignored, and the ruralness
Speaker 1: of the areas in which they're found make regulations basically unenforceable. Anyway. Um,
Speaker 1: that is that's my wrap on fish News. Buddy, Well,
Speaker 1: best of luck to the Salmo Biliki. I think they're
Speaker 1: having the same problems as the timing that everybody loves.
Speaker 1: They're out there so remotely that you just can't police
Speaker 1: near we are we are we ending fish News with
Speaker 1: Joe mispronouncing something. Is it Tayman or tim In? I
Speaker 1: think Floyd outside of the podcast studio I ask him
Speaker 1: that was That was a very fun ending to Fish News.
Speaker 1: That was a good time, and we like to keep
Speaker 1: the good times rolling here. So this is it. I've
Speaker 1: spent a year and a half trying to figure out
Speaker 1: what the hell Phil wants? Phil? What do you want?
Speaker 1: What was the actual secret to winning? Can you let
Speaker 1: us know? What do you want? Phil? What did you
Speaker 1: want from us? This whole time? I just can't handle
Speaker 1: the pressure, happy man. So we're gonna We're gonna hear
Speaker 1: from old Phil one more time and then UM, because
Speaker 1: because I think we all needed and because it's calming
Speaker 1: and soothing, We've got one more sage Lee Wisdom with
Speaker 1: the very real river Horse lined up, UM and I
Speaker 1: I think it is a perfect closer from river Horse,
Speaker 1: and I hope you guys enjoy it as much as
Speaker 1: I did Chester Tayman or Timon. I don't even really
Speaker 1: know how to start this. Um. I'm a little sad,
Speaker 1: to be honest, and I'm sure everyone listening is to Uh.
Speaker 1: When I came into this recording that I'm doing right now,
Speaker 1: I thought, Okay, it's the last fish News. How do
Speaker 1: I tap myself? Do I kill myself again but actually
Speaker 1: stay dead? Do I tell another story about a cracking?
Speaker 1: But this time, make it twenty minutes long instead of
Speaker 1: just ten like last time. I don't know, but I thought, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do any of that, No pomp and circumstance,
Speaker 1: nothing special. This is about you, Joe and Hayden, not me.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to answer your quest. And Joe, what
Speaker 1: did I want? What was I looking for during all
Speaker 1: of these fish news segments? What did I want? Well,
Speaker 1: it's easy. I want you to want me. I've all
Speaker 1: you to walthy, ivy you me me lovey, I beg
Speaker 1: you to beg me. Shut up your brown shoes, put
Speaker 1: on the Brandon shirt, get holder from work. Did you
Speaker 1: say baginal fynn? See crying? Oh? Dinna see crying? Feel
Speaker 1: a long French? Know you feel like trying? Oh? Do
Speaker 1: you not? Did not? Did not see you crying down?
Speaker 1: Thanks Joe and Hayden, we're all winners today. Whatsout? Hey? Now,
Speaker 1: this is a river horse coming to you from the
Speaker 1: Deep South with some sagely wisdom. Today's story is all
Speaker 1: about getting on a roll in this short, bleating, fragile,
Speaker 1: and ever beautiful life. There will be some obligatory tides
Speaker 1: the good times All Hetty and sublime, the tough times,
Speaker 1: the belly ups, the dust ups that may leave you
Speaker 1: on the flat of your back, and sometimes even the
Speaker 1: first place take the trophy finishes far ahead of the
Speaker 1: pretenders and all points in between. This is all par
Speaker 1: for the course and how we learn to appreciate the
Speaker 1: smallest moments for the sweet bounty they are. Life asks
Speaker 1: us to roll up our sleeves and go full bore,
Speaker 1: sleep in the dirt, and pay our dues to get
Speaker 1: to the magical moments out in wilderness, especially with fishing.
Speaker 1: This story is about unleashing it at a little city
Speaker 1: park pond, absolutely laying it down baby, opening up a
Speaker 1: supreme can of war bass with the quickly chosen fly.
Speaker 1: And it's called L Grande, l Grande. I've gone cross.
Speaker 1: I've been riding for three days straight on deadline for
Speaker 1: a fourteen pager about Merle Haggard's former guitarist. The masses
Speaker 1: in Houston are no doubt going ape ship everywhere. For
Speaker 1: today is the beginning of a long, sunny spring weekend,
Speaker 1: so I make it a point to avoid places that
Speaker 1: aren't far off the grid on the weekends. This afternoon
Speaker 1: found me in the throes of wanton lust for bass.
Speaker 1: Just one fish and I could start to put things
Speaker 1: together again. From golf courses to ranches, country clubs, lakes,
Speaker 1: rivers behind mcmansion's and city park ponds. They are endless,
Speaker 1: corpulent Texas bass. Within minutes, with just a couple hours
Speaker 1: to go until dark, I hit the closest run from
Speaker 1: the Bungalows front door and as expected, have to park
Speaker 1: the truck on the grass since it was packed to
Speaker 1: the rafters. I don't bring much to easy local runs
Speaker 1: like these. A little seven ft three way with the
Speaker 1: sixteen pound leader and a handful of my favorite fly
Speaker 1: in the world, the Umpqua diving frog. Most of us
Speaker 1: all have a go to fly. This is mine. They
Speaker 1: say you need all sorts of flies for bass, but
Speaker 1: I could give a rats ass about what people say.
Speaker 1: I'd rather probe top water and the weedy shallows and coves,
Speaker 1: then go subsurface, no matter what fish I might miss
Speaker 1: out on. Anything else is dredging to me. I'll admit it.
Speaker 1: I get off watching that little green frogs bit, hump
Speaker 1: and growl all the way home if the bite is
Speaker 1: on all fish. If not, fine, I'll hang on the
Speaker 1: banks and have a sandwich of beer and a nap.
Speaker 1: This city park is small. It doesn't take more than
Speaker 1: thirty minutes to work your way around it. I wedge
Speaker 1: in between the hordes of good old boys with bobbers
Speaker 1: and with only a couple of seconds. Damn if that
Speaker 1: frog pupper doesn't deliver the goods. I can attest that
Speaker 1: my fishing abilities are not really anything special. I put
Speaker 1: in my time, But some days there's been plenty of
Speaker 1: brutal skunks, schoolings and tails between the legs all the
Speaker 1: way home drives. Not to day, I stopped six times
Speaker 1: and six sweetheart baths and nail the frog and go
Speaker 1: hay wire while the piste off glares come from all sides.
Speaker 1: There hadn't been any fish cut all day until now
Speaker 1: when I showed up, and then six in a row.
Speaker 1: I'm on the final stretch of water, a fifty foot
Speaker 1: cluster of reads, cattails and lily pads, without much room
Speaker 1: for a badcast. I lean up for one mast, go round,
Speaker 1: and that's the swim frog lands. It goes down in
Speaker 1: an implosive swirl on a three weight. You know, pretty
Speaker 1: damn quick when things are serious. Unable to high stick
Speaker 1: this one. The rod submerges a foot under the water,
Speaker 1: and I just let him burrow and run. A giant
Speaker 1: crowd gathers behind me while all the other fishermen just
Speaker 1: stare with brownie faces. I finally dragged the enormous, fatass
Speaker 1: bass to the bank, and I hear screams, shouts, howls,
Speaker 1: and cheers from the rabbit gallery. El Grande, El Grande,
Speaker 1: El Grande, Oh yes she is. Let's agree that fishing
Speaker 1: it is not always about fishing, and it's often brutally humbling.
Speaker 1: Some days you get the chicken, other days just the feathers.
Speaker 1: But for those who say fishing is not about catching fish,
Speaker 1: oh bullshit. I hold El Grande a law for all
Speaker 1: to sea. Feeling like I just shot the moon. The
Speaker 1: throngs of kids are jumping up and down, hooting and
Speaker 1: pumping fists into the sky. Cell Phone cameras chirp away.
Speaker 1: I see the expectant characters with obscene cooking forks and hands,
Speaker 1: and drool forming on their lips. As the smoke from
Speaker 1: all the barbecue grills and the park gently loats into
Speaker 1: the skies, El Grande is released with redemption on his lips.
Speaker 1: The entire park goes utterably silent. And that's our sagely
Speaker 1: wisdom for this time, my brothers and sisters. And remember
Speaker 1: never be afraid to let them go on to be
Speaker 1: cut another day. If your table is already full of
Speaker 1: goodness and your freezer, you'll reap the bounty and the
Speaker 1: days ahead you just watch. Now, get out there and
Speaker 1: find your own groove. I will see you along the path.
Speaker 1: So I couldn't think of a more fitting final stage
Speaker 1: lee wisdom. I swear I did not have river Horse
Speaker 1: penn that around my departure. In fact, I didn't even
Speaker 1: ask the guy for a new stage Lely wisdom like
Speaker 1: the Venemo payment. No no, no, no, there's no dude.
Speaker 1: Literally like this is how river Horse operates. I'll be
Speaker 1: I'll be like falling asleep at midnight and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, it's just like my my phone lights up
Speaker 1: and there's like ten new audio files from river Horse's
Speaker 1: has to like cup your night a little bit. Man,
Speaker 1: you're dripping off so peacefully and now it's like four
Speaker 1: am and you're staring at the ceiling. Well, but he
Speaker 1: seems like one of those guys where it's like when
Speaker 1: inspiration hits, he's going right now like you're gonna hear
Speaker 1: his words right now. But I listen to that one
Speaker 1: when he said it, and I said, man, this just
Speaker 1: works so much of what he said they're resonated with me,
Speaker 1: particularly putting them back. If you're played is full. And
Speaker 1: I hope I actually get to spend some time with
Speaker 1: that guy someday. I would really love that. Did you
Speaker 1: ever tell him about that note we got from that
Speaker 1: one listener that said his voice makes his girlfriend to
Speaker 1: act and he's not sure if he likes it. I did.
Speaker 1: I did tell him that one fight for the last time.
Speaker 1: What just as a reminder, River horses very real. People
Speaker 1: have been speculating that he's a made up character and
Speaker 1: he is not. You need to follow him on the
Speaker 1: gram and read his writing because he is one of
Speaker 1: a kind. Anyway, Uh, you know, here's what we're gonna do.
Speaker 1: We're gonna close out this week's show with the o
Speaker 1: G closer, the original closer, that being end of the line.
Speaker 1: We're gonna skip the bent helpline here, but stick around
Speaker 1: because we're gonna do a night fishing. Um. But this
Speaker 1: was always one of my favorite segments to put together.
Speaker 1: I've always loved the end of the line. But I'm
Speaker 1: actually gonna let Hayden give us one final end of
Speaker 1: the line entry here because um, while I may have
Speaker 1: had more end of the lines over the last year
Speaker 1: and a half, some of yours have been my favorites.
Speaker 1: So let's find out which fly you cannot live without. Well,
Speaker 1: that's not loud enough. Spring is finally starting to make
Speaker 1: its way out west, and that's great because I'm just
Speaker 1: about over fishing through through two ft of ice. In
Speaker 1: the observation of a particularly beautiful afternoon, I recently decided
Speaker 1: to get out and make a quick afterwork hit on
Speaker 1: one of my favorite little streams just north of town.
Speaker 1: I got to the water and I looked in my box.
Speaker 1: I pretended to consider this fly and that fly, but
Speaker 1: I knew what I'd end up tying on. And it's
Speaker 1: a fly I've talked about here on the podcast often,
Speaker 1: that faithful fishy size twelve tongue heads CDC soft tackle
Speaker 1: pheasant tail nymph with the orange hotspot. It's been my
Speaker 1: go to for years and I think it always will be.
Speaker 1: Pheasant tails are my favorite nymphs period. You can keep
Speaker 1: your Waltz worms, your Paradagon's your hair's here. I don't
Speaker 1: know what it is about them, but man, those things
Speaker 1: just fish. And sure my version of it is far
Speaker 1: from classic. I mean, it's tied on a jig hook,
Speaker 1: but the classic tie works beautifully as well. But what
Speaker 1: is the classic tie when we're talking about a pheasant
Speaker 1: tail nymph? To answer that, we need to go all
Speaker 1: the way back to the invention of the pheasant tail
Speaker 1: and its inventor. Frank Sawyer was a was first river
Speaker 1: keeper on the Avon at Lake in Wiltshire, managing six
Speaker 1: miles of river right by modern day Stingshouse. I know
Speaker 1: that's not really relevant to the story, but I think
Speaker 1: it's funny that Sting owns that place now and I
Speaker 1: had to work that in there anyhow. Sawyer worked there
Speaker 1: for about three years until moving on to the Officers
Speaker 1: Fishing Association, which is now known as the Serve His
Speaker 1: Dry Fly Fishing Association. The s d f f A
Speaker 1: is a fishing club along the River Avon, and it's
Speaker 1: open exclusively to active duty and retired military as well
Speaker 1: as a very few number of civilians. Sawyer worked there
Speaker 1: until his death. As a river keeper at the Services
Speaker 1: Dry Fly Fishing Association UH Sawyer spent his life on
Speaker 1: the water and eventually became known for not only his stewardship,
Speaker 1: but for his his sunken nymph fly patterns as well.
Speaker 1: In he developed his most enduring of those patterns, the
Speaker 1: pheasant tail nymph. The pheasant tail is considered one of
Speaker 1: the oldest modern nymph patterns that we use today. The
Speaker 1: original tying of the pheasant tail nymph is unique by
Speaker 1: today's standards for one main reason. It did not include
Speaker 1: the use of thread. In fact, the original pheasant tail
Speaker 1: only included fibers from the tail of a cock pheasant
Speaker 1: and copper wire. After tying the pheasant tail, fibers in
Speaker 1: the wire and fibers would be twisted together before being
Speaker 1: wound around the hook shank to form the body of
Speaker 1: the nymph. Tying in this way achieved two things. It
Speaker 1: created a durable body and a certain amount of flash
Speaker 1: where the wire would peek out in between the fibers. Today,
Speaker 1: we mostly fish a variant of the original pattern, the
Speaker 1: most basic of which is only a small departure from
Speaker 1: Sawyers with the inclusion of a peacock hurl. Thorax I
Speaker 1: like to fish a variant with soft tackle and a beadhead.
Speaker 1: There are endless ways to modify the pattern, and no
Speaker 1: matter where you go, you're likely to find some local
Speaker 1: variant that, for one reason or another, seems to outfish
Speaker 1: all others. One thing I know is that Sawyer's inspired
Speaker 1: pattern will forever be my go to, And no matter
Speaker 1: where I'm fishing, when it comes to trout, You're more
Speaker 1: likely than not to see a pheasant tail nymph on
Speaker 1: the end of my line. So that's it for this week, degenerates.
Speaker 1: We've got one week of bent left and we're gonna
Speaker 1: close out doing a little reminiscing having some laughs. So
Speaker 1: join us. However, I regret to inform you, God that
Speaker 1: we we no longer need you to keep sending those
Speaker 1: awkward moments sale items. Barner. We need you, but we
Speaker 1: don't need the We don't need, we don't need the
Speaker 1: you stick around, keep your emails to yourselves. Uh, you
Speaker 1: can stop sending all that, John to Ben at the
Speaker 1: mediator dot com. So um, yeah, and uh, and how
Speaker 1: about a little uh. We've talked about the hashtags, Joe, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what about a little note on the hashta Here's what
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say about the hashtags, right, Uh, bent or not,
Speaker 1: You'll always be degenerate anglers, so will I, so will Hayden.
Speaker 1: So I vow to keep monitoring the degenerate angler hashtag
Speaker 1: on the Graham. You know I'm a people person, um.
Speaker 1: I love shooting the ship with you guys on social.
Speaker 1: Unlike Miles, who disappeared on social when he left, I
Speaker 1: shall not because I know how to set up a
Speaker 1: goddamn Instagram account properly. So yeah, and I'm trying to
Speaker 1: be an influencer, so I'll be there too. I'm just kidding,
Speaker 1: but you know, I'm one thing that we might look
Speaker 1: forward to on social. Joe Is, I might even start
Speaker 1: tie along Tuesday's back. You should, I talk? You should?
Speaker 1: You should keep doing tie along Tuesday's hell. I might
Speaker 1: even join you now and again. Anyway, I can't tell
Speaker 1: you guys how much fun it has been making this show.
Speaker 1: And while every week has been a blast, some bits
Speaker 1: just stood out more than others. That's a hint for
Speaker 1: next week. Yes, we're gonna go full on mystery science
Speaker 1: theater Ben style. I might even drink a red beer
Speaker 1: while we're doing you know, I gotta say so night
Speaker 1: fishing was your idea and I liked it, and I
Speaker 1: am I am sorry that we are not going to
Speaker 1: continue that on because I do love a good secret track. Um,
Speaker 1: but full disclosure. Like throughout this you have been a
Speaker 1: little like I'll just let it, just let it go.
Speaker 1: Answer as many questions as we want. I'm always the
Speaker 1: guy like, no, there is their schedule, there is time,
Speaker 1: there is we have to be finished by only four
Speaker 1: pick four and today. To be honest with you, man,
Speaker 1: like we're just you have there. I am looking at
Speaker 1: a lot of questions here and I will we can
Speaker 1: answer them all. I give zero ships right now. We
Speaker 1: can make this a whole another two hour podcast for
Speaker 1: all I care. All right, well let's try. Alright, so folks,
Speaker 1: well see where we go. Just go with the flow. Okay,
Speaker 1: So folks, welcome to Night Fishing. Um. This is the
Speaker 1: thing that we did once and now we'll have done twice.
Speaker 1: Um we're second times. It's charm. Yeah, we're gonna answer
Speaker 1: some of your most most pertinent questions. And because this
Speaker 1: is the last ever installment of Night Fishing, I figured, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, hell, we'll we'll see how many we can
Speaker 1: get to. So there is no time on the clock.
Speaker 1: We're just gonna kind of rip through as many as
Speaker 1: we can and then uh yeah, I'll be it. So Joe,
Speaker 1: we're gonna start with this one. This comes from and
Speaker 1: all these resources on Instagram. This comes from Wally eight
Speaker 1: nine one. If you had one fish to fish for
Speaker 1: for the rest of your life besides snakeheads and bourbon,
Speaker 1: which is I assume referencing our personal inclinations, what would
Speaker 1: that fish be. Mine would be bourbon. Mine would be snakeheads.
Speaker 1: There you go, Wally, na, Uh, that's come up with
Speaker 1: me before you know. There is no one there. There's
Speaker 1: not like I can whittle it down to fresh and salt.
Speaker 1: I guess it would be striped bass and wild browns.
Speaker 1: Those are my two. Like if I if I really
Speaker 1: had to pick two stripers and wild browns for me, Ali, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean like okay, so from like the sporting aspect
Speaker 1: and like where they take me, I would have to
Speaker 1: go for just like trout, you know, maybe even cut throats,
Speaker 1: just because I think they're cool and they live in
Speaker 1: beautiful places and I don't know, there's like a certain
Speaker 1: like poetic element to uh to trout fishing. If I
Speaker 1: were to go for like something that I really want
Speaker 1: to eat a lot um you know, probably like tuna,
Speaker 1: something like that, some some good, some like sashimi. Well yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I could. I could answer that question, like,
Speaker 1: if I had to pick one, it would be tuna.
Speaker 1: But I ain't got that kind of money, Wally, Tuna
Speaker 1: is expensive, you know what I mean? Was a financial
Speaker 1: constraint on it? All right? So well then I just
Speaker 1: pop tuna like endless summer all, you know, all summer
Speaker 1: long in the Northeast, and then I'd go to Australia.
Speaker 1: So that's when I would go there. You go, all right,
Speaker 1: So Joe, if the format of these, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: keep pitching them to you. You lead off off all
Speaker 1: you Uh. This one comes from Derek the fancy caveman
Speaker 1: who asks been to Manitoba? Are you hunting the spring
Speaker 1: any bear plans? No, No, and no I've not been
Speaker 1: to Manitoba. I'd like to. I'd like to go to
Speaker 1: bc BC people you have been riding me on that
Speaker 1: I have. I have never found my way to British Columbia.
Speaker 1: I've done Saskatchewan way up north and it was one
Speaker 1: of the coolest, top five coolest trips I've ever been on.
Speaker 1: In my life. That was a pike trip. Am I
Speaker 1: hunting the spring? No? Any bear plans, no, believe it
Speaker 1: or not. There was a time, boys and girls when
Speaker 1: I did both hunt and fish. Um, and then eventually
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm just the fish guy, So no
Speaker 1: none for me. Alright. Well, UM, my answers are no,
Speaker 1: yes and uh and yes. Um. I've never been to Manitoba.
Speaker 1: I am definitely hunting this spring. Um. You know, for
Speaker 1: all the fishing that I do, I do about an
Speaker 1: equivalent amount of hunting. Um. And then any bear plans,
Speaker 1: you bet man. Um, I'm gonna be hunting bears in Montana.
Speaker 1: And then I have a pretty cool mule der tag.
Speaker 1: And in part of scouting mule deer for next season,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna shoot down to Idaho where I picked up
Speaker 1: a bear or tag as well, so you know, we'll
Speaker 1: see what happens. I'm only going to shoot one bear.
Speaker 1: I think you know. I know I'm only gonna shoot
Speaker 1: one bear. Um, just because you don't need to shoot
Speaker 1: two bears in a season. But um, but yeah, so
Speaker 1: those are those are my bear plans. Next question, fih
Speaker 1: Daddy four oh one asks, Yeah, he's he's he's a
Speaker 1: he makes a bunch of molded baits. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you found that dude on Instagram, but yeah, well now, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've watched some of his live live ties, live pores.
Speaker 1: I guess. Um he asks least favorite species to catch
Speaker 1: walleyes and the my last opportunities. This is like my
Speaker 1: last opportunity on Ben to take a dump on walleyes,
Speaker 1: and I will continue to do it. Mad. Respect for
Speaker 1: the people who are good at catching them, I get it,
Speaker 1: but as a fish to target, they suck. I'm sorry
Speaker 1: while I suck. Yeah, my least favorite is rock bass.
Speaker 1: I always get bummed. Really how he's mad at rock
Speaker 1: bass like an American treasure. Well, a couple of reasons.
Speaker 1: Number One, I'm always fishing for something else when I
Speaker 1: catch them. Number Two, I've never eaten one, so, like,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe they're amazing like table fair, but like
Speaker 1: it's just not something I've experienced. It's funny you bring
Speaker 1: that up. No, well, I don't know. I've never eaten
Speaker 1: them either, But um man, this has come up. I've
Speaker 1: written about it in years past, Like when I was
Speaker 1: a kid, there were rock bass everywhere around here, every stream,
Speaker 1: like they were, dude, they're getting harder and harder to
Speaker 1: find in the Northeast, and there's something to that that
Speaker 1: nobody can quite figure out, but many people have agreed, like, yeah, shure,
Speaker 1: we don't catch rock bass the way we used to.
Speaker 1: I do still have a couple of spots. Would it
Speaker 1: surprise me if like the stocking of other game fish
Speaker 1: is kind of like pushing maybe, but you brought up,
Speaker 1: you brought up eating him. I was fishing in West
Speaker 1: Virginia years ago in the New River, and man, you
Speaker 1: catch some stud rock bass between the Smalley's there and
Speaker 1: those West Virginia boys. I mean, you know, dude, they'll
Speaker 1: they'll they'll fry up anything down there, but they're not
Speaker 1: a huge fan. They it's they say it tastes okay,
Speaker 1: but it's a very kind of soft, mushy meat. So great.
Speaker 1: It's always kind of like the inkling that I got
Speaker 1: when it when it came to your rock bass. And
Speaker 1: also like I'm kind of like scarred because like any
Speaker 1: time my dad would be bass fishing and called a
Speaker 1: rock bass, which is often or I called a rock bass,
Speaker 1: which was often he go rock bass. I like your dad,
Speaker 1: that's yeah, And so and so like I just kind
Speaker 1: of have that forever like etched. Um, I'm gonna start.
Speaker 1: You can tell your dad, I'm gonna start using that
Speaker 1: every time I catch one. Okay, So Grant Burger would
Speaker 1: working asks if you could write your own travel slash
Speaker 1: fish species specific book, what would it be? Mine would
Speaker 1: be I'd title it the Complete Guide to Serve Casting.
Speaker 1: It's actually a book that already exists. You can look
Speaker 1: it up Grant on Amazon and purchase yourself a copy,
Speaker 1: do a brother of favor. Otherwise, I can't disclose any
Speaker 1: of that because I can't. I can't, couldn't. I I'm
Speaker 1: not spitting out future book ideas, though I do have some. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: if I could write, I would uh what you can know? Um? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know what that would be, man, Like you know,
Speaker 1: part of me wants to do a see. It's kind
Speaker 1: of conflicting because a lot of the stuff that I'm
Speaker 1: passionate about is rooted in like a semi esoteric knowledge.
Speaker 1: And I talk a lot about blue lining brook Trout
Speaker 1: and so like a blue line guide and like maybe
Speaker 1: a some thoughts on blue lining and the sort of
Speaker 1: places that it takes. You would be something that I'd
Speaker 1: be interested in writing about. But but I don't want
Speaker 1: everyone to go and start doing that just because like
Speaker 1: those little streams can take like you know, barely any pressure.
Speaker 1: And the reality is is like if you particularly out
Speaker 1: east man, if you start talking about like even vague
Speaker 1: terms like drainages, you know, you can pretty much be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: he's talking about one of fifteen tributaries. But in my opinion,
Speaker 1: that's a writable book without getting too specific. I mean
Speaker 1: if I if I, if I were forced to write that,
Speaker 1: baby man, but like I wouldn't like straight tactics and
Speaker 1: and sort of what to look for without being very specific. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's kind of like the beauty about blue lining. Man.
Speaker 1: It's like it's very like while we're waxing anyhow. Um.
Speaker 1: One of the things that I like about blue lining
Speaker 1: is that it's a really good way to learn how
Speaker 1: to read water and understand fish because it's so a
Speaker 1: b like, you know, there aren't a lot of like
Speaker 1: questions left on the table. If a fish doesn't take
Speaker 1: the fly that you present to it in a blue line, um,
Speaker 1: you know, either you're just like not fishing the right
Speaker 1: technique for that period of time, or your cast and
Speaker 1: drift were bad most of the time. If you put
Speaker 1: on an elk care cat is any time from March
Speaker 1: to uh, you know, November. And I mean I I
Speaker 1: wouldn't suggest fishing through October, by the way, because that's
Speaker 1: when the brook trouter spawning. But if you if you
Speaker 1: were to do that, um, you would get hit as
Speaker 1: long as your drift was right and your cast was good. Um.
Speaker 1: So that's what I really like about blue lining is
Speaker 1: actually like the kind of tactical deficiency and more of
Speaker 1: just like the feedback on your skill. Yeah, and you're right,
Speaker 1: you're now what you're talking about, because I just think
Speaker 1: it's easy as shit, Like it's just easy fishing. It's
Speaker 1: easy fishing. So like I love wild brook trot as
Speaker 1: much as the next guy. But whereas I know you're
Speaker 1: the guy that will follow that stream up for miles,
Speaker 1: I'll do the first quarter mile and like catch a
Speaker 1: whole bunch and then I'm like, all right, now where
Speaker 1: do we now? What do we do? Like I can't
Speaker 1: doesn't hold my interest all day, right, and again, like
Speaker 1: I think that it is easy fishing. But and if
Speaker 1: you're a beginner listening to this, Um, I would check
Speaker 1: out Blue Lining. Um. Number one, you're gonna find a
Speaker 1: lot of opportunities that you didn't know were there. Number two,
Speaker 1: you're gonna be surrounded by a lot of that kind
Speaker 1: of water that that you kind of think of when
Speaker 1: you think about fly fishing for trout. And then number three,
Speaker 1: it really is a good way to learn how to
Speaker 1: read the water and you know identify like, oh, that
Speaker 1: was a good drift, and I can tell because I
Speaker 1: got hit and that was a bad drift because I'm
Speaker 1: reading the water. I know there's a bucket right there,
Speaker 1: and I know that there's a trout in it. And
Speaker 1: if it didn't hit, it's because like something was wrong
Speaker 1: with my drift. I got some weird drag or something.
Speaker 1: But anyway, that's the book that I would write. Well,
Speaker 1: if I were to write a book, Listen, people are
Speaker 1: so desperate to get out and away from people right now.
Speaker 1: If you draft a really good Blue Line, Brooke would
Speaker 1: probably sell. Because that's another thing I've learned, like your
Speaker 1: first book is often your passion project, and after do
Speaker 1: you see how much time goes into that passion You're
Speaker 1: like the next one's got to make money or I'm
Speaker 1: not doing it, so maybe we'll do this question anyhow.
Speaker 1: This one comes from d h A. Lab Dan, who
Speaker 1: actually started the comment thread that ended up getting me
Speaker 1: hired here. Yeah, he says our family friendly fishing boats,
Speaker 1: and I believe like by that he means like ski
Speaker 1: fish hybrids like the Yamaha f S H two ten
Speaker 1: actually fishy um M. I'll lead off with this one.
Speaker 1: I grew up learning how to fish on on one
Speaker 1: of these boats. It's like a stratus. I think it
Speaker 1: had like somewhere in between the live wells. We could
Speaker 1: throw up a ski pylon and the problem was, though
Speaker 1: it's like it's still had a lot of bass boat
Speaker 1: behind it, so you wouldn't even notice. But you'd be going, Um,
Speaker 1: you'd like have your buddy Jack on the tube behind you,
Speaker 1: and your your dad would be like bumping up that
Speaker 1: motor to the point that next thing you know, you're
Speaker 1: going fifty miles an hour. Jack's hanging on for dear life.
Speaker 1: You hit a bump, Jack gets launched, the inner tube
Speaker 1: thing gets caught under his nose, rips of gash across
Speaker 1: his face, and now you're at the hospital. Um that
Speaker 1: actually talking about right now? How is this answering the
Speaker 1: man's question. Uh, Dan, the family friendly? What this this
Speaker 1: question doesn't make a lot of sense. I could did
Speaker 1: a quick search on the Yamaha f Ace whatever to ten.
Speaker 1: It's just a little center console, that's all. It's just
Speaker 1: a little it's just a little center console. So I'm
Speaker 1: not talking about I thought he was talking about one
Speaker 1: of those like, um, they're advertised like ski sport hybrids.
Speaker 1: Uh No, I googled it and it's it's it's just
Speaker 1: a little Yamaha twenty one ft center console. So I
Speaker 1: don't quite understand by fishy, Like, dude, you can fish
Speaker 1: on an inner tube if you know how to fish.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't see. I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: a good boat or anything. But it's just it's just
Speaker 1: a little just a little center console, so I would say, yes,
Speaker 1: it's probably fishy. Wait hold on, Joe, hold on, I'm
Speaker 1: not even gonna have this be edited out. I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna send you this thing that i'm looking at right here.
Speaker 1: Here is what I learned how to fish on. Did
Speaker 1: you get it, Joe? I did? Yeah, But I mean
Speaker 1: that's technically like a that's a that's actually a fishing boat.
Speaker 1: That's not. Yeah, well I'll tell you what, see jo.
Speaker 1: This is where like I for once and more experienced
Speaker 1: than you, and this it is a ski boat because
Speaker 1: it had this like stupid little pylon that you had
Speaker 1: these like rivets by the live wells and you'd screw
Speaker 1: a ski pylon into where you're It's called the ski fish,
Speaker 1: which means it does both things. Yeah, you know, I
Speaker 1: got you. I got you. Um but anyhow, um okay
Speaker 1: to answer your question, bro, Yeah, you can fish from
Speaker 1: they're they're fine fish from anything that floats, Dude, if
Speaker 1: it floats, you can fish from it. Yeah. And uh,
Speaker 1: if you're looking to do like ski activities, towing, tubing
Speaker 1: things like that, heed my tubing warning. And if you
Speaker 1: get into wakeboarding later, man, they don't throw a particularly
Speaker 1: good weake, so like you're not gonna be able to
Speaker 1: jump a whole bunch, you're gonna look like a dork.
Speaker 1: Um any out. Jared Curland Jared dot Curland asks what's
Speaker 1: the best way to get involved with guiding? Take a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of people who don't want to listen to
Speaker 1: you fishing and see how you feel at the end
Speaker 1: of the day before you decide that and don't charge
Speaker 1: them because that's illegal. It's a tough one, man. I
Speaker 1: would just say it depends on where you live. Like
Speaker 1: if you're lucky enough to live in in in high
Speaker 1: tourist destinations like Montana that have a lot of shops.
Speaker 1: I mean, you link up with a shop or an
Speaker 1: outfit there. Maybe you start by just sweeping the floors
Speaker 1: in the fly shop and work your way up. Um,
Speaker 1: out here, there really aren't a lot of outfitters. You
Speaker 1: just kind of go independent. You just kind of do it.
Speaker 1: You just put yourself out there after getting appropriately certified.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, yeah you got and then how you get
Speaker 1: certified varies state by state. Um. But I don't know.
Speaker 1: Involved with guiding or being a guide, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It sort of depends on on what it is want
Speaker 1: to do. I mean, you can always find a gig
Speaker 1: in Alaska, but depending on your experience level, you know,
Speaker 1: you might not like the gig. Um. But really, before
Speaker 1: anybody considers people ask me all the time, why don't
Speaker 1: you guide on the side. Whyn't you get in the the side?
Speaker 1: I said, and I've said this on this show. I
Speaker 1: love taking new people fishing if they want to go
Speaker 1: fishing and learn and listen as soon as like you
Speaker 1: like no better, even though you've never done the ship
Speaker 1: we're doing. I'm like, then, I'm just gonna crush you
Speaker 1: with a rod and I don't care. I don't care
Speaker 1: about your success anymore. I don't have the patients. Um,
Speaker 1: so make sure you have that before you get involved
Speaker 1: in any kind of guiding. Yeah. Um, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: echo what Joe said. Uh, getting involved in a fly shop,
Speaker 1: uh and working your way up is a pretty good
Speaker 1: way to go, I guess if you're committed to it. Um.
Speaker 1: The reason being is that eventually, you know, one of
Speaker 1: those fishing guides will be too hungover to take folks out.
Speaker 1: And yeah, next thing you know, you're driving. You're driving
Speaker 1: down to the boat rent with a bunch of people
Speaker 1: who don't want to listen to you. A lot of
Speaker 1: times the shop a lot of times the shopper outfit
Speaker 1: or also covers your insurance because that ain't cheap. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's actually uh some an insurance esque question is
Speaker 1: gonna come up later. Okay, So this comes from Underscore,
Speaker 1: Have Gun, Will Travel, he says, ask Joe to walk
Speaker 1: us through how he makes fly leaders for pike again,
Speaker 1: Joe Walkers how to make up. I'm gonna try and
Speaker 1: not walk it too long because it's it's uh, it's
Speaker 1: it's kind of boring. But um, I always I'm usually
Speaker 1: fishing pike with a sink tip line, whether it's slower
Speaker 1: fast regardless. So I just used like a straight shot
Speaker 1: like four ft a thirty pound floor carbon and then
Speaker 1: I love, um Courtland's st ten is there tiable uh
Speaker 1: steel leader? It actually comes on a coil like tipp it,
Speaker 1: So I all bright not from the thirty pound to
Speaker 1: you know, a foot long section of that steel leader.
Speaker 1: Then I put a perfection loop in the end of
Speaker 1: the steel and use a really good quality clip so
Speaker 1: I can just quickly clip flies off on and that's
Speaker 1: it done, donezo. So the whole thing is about five
Speaker 1: ft total. I like a short leader. Cool. Dj Roloff asks, Uh,
Speaker 1: what peeves do you have about phishing media? You go first, um, um,
Speaker 1: what peeves do I have about phishing media? Um? You know,
Speaker 1: I think, uh, I think we address that and a
Speaker 1: lot of the stuff that we do in that a
Speaker 1: lot of it doesn't show. Um, a lot of it
Speaker 1: doesn't show. Things are like accessible to folks. You know,
Speaker 1: a lot of it doesn't show the the you know,
Speaker 1: the the reality of what fishing is to the average person.
Speaker 1: And like, I'm going to get on like a stump
Speaker 1: speech for a second here, man, fishing is important and
Speaker 1: accessible fishing is important, and here's why. Uh. In my mind,
Speaker 1: when you're trying to bring people into like the outdoors
Speaker 1: in a meaningful way, you you wanted to have fun,
Speaker 1: but like you want them to become effective lifelong conservationists, right,
Speaker 1: and like that's like a commitment that can only be
Speaker 1: made with like joy and enthusiasm. M Um. That joint
Speaker 1: enthusiasm comes from an appreciation of all the natural world
Speaker 1: has to offer, and a good way to develop that
Speaker 1: appreciation is by experiencing what the natural world has to offer.
Speaker 1: And fishing, in my mind, is the single most accessible
Speaker 1: way for the average person to do that. So in
Speaker 1: showing more accessible fishing and outdoor media, like, that's what
Speaker 1: I would want for it. So it's not like so
Speaker 1: much a peeve is like a desire, like I want
Speaker 1: more representation of accessible fishing in outdoor media. Yep, yep, no,
Speaker 1: And I agree with that, man, that's a really good answer.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep mind very short and sweet, and I'm
Speaker 1: certainly not going to name names. Um. What what bothers
Speaker 1: me is there are a lot of very successful people
Speaker 1: in fishing media these days, with very large followings, and
Speaker 1: if you know anything about fishing and pay attention to them,
Speaker 1: even in the slightest most of them have very little
Speaker 1: to no idea what the hell they're talking about. They
Speaker 1: just don't have the background experience. They haven't really done shit,
Speaker 1: they haven't really been anywhere, they haven't really learned anything.
Speaker 1: They are just spouting off crap, which is fine, right,
Speaker 1: but it's like, man, these are the people that maybe
Speaker 1: that that kid or that next generation, like they're going
Speaker 1: to get them into fishing. And like I watched some
Speaker 1: of these things and I'm like, you sound so dumb, right,
Speaker 1: you have no idea what you're talking about. So it
Speaker 1: just it it. I am always wanted to be like,
Speaker 1: if I don't know, I'll tell you I don't know.
Speaker 1: I know, I don't know anything about doing that kind
Speaker 1: of fishing. I don't know anything about this. Um I
Speaker 1: can find out for you talk to some good people.
Speaker 1: But I value authenticity and I think authenticity works if
Speaker 1: you can admit that you're not an expert. That's fine,
Speaker 1: that's still authentic. But the amount of people out there
Speaker 1: that I just watched this ship and I'm like you,
Speaker 1: you just have no clue what you're talking about right now.
Speaker 1: That bothers me. M So. Carnivore eight seventy asks do
Speaker 1: fish caught through the ice taste better than fish caught
Speaker 1: during the summer? Uh? Do? That's one of those weird things.
Speaker 1: I want to say, yes, Like I do believe that
Speaker 1: not even necessarily ice, just cold water verse warm water. Um,
Speaker 1: but is there science behind that? There could be, If
Speaker 1: there is, I'm not aware of it, but I would
Speaker 1: say yes to that. Something called out of cold water
Speaker 1: always seems to taste better than something called out of
Speaker 1: warm water. Yeah, I'd agree with that. I'd agree with that.
Speaker 1: Cold Boy seventeen says you have one species and one
Speaker 1: method of fishing for life? What is it? Oh? God,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't never know how to answer these.
Speaker 1: That's that's like saying you not to bring up golf again.
Speaker 1: But like you can play any course in the world,
Speaker 1: but you can only take your putter, Like, no, I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. I love I love
Speaker 1: all types of fishing too much, Like I, do you
Speaker 1: have an answer for that? Like, do you have a
Speaker 1: true answer for that? Be up. I'm going with my
Speaker 1: boy Corey Calkins drifting down the yellowstone fly fish and
Speaker 1: big stupid foam bugs for big stupid brown trout. Mm
Speaker 1: hmm yeah, I can't whittle that down. I'm sorry, Colby,
Speaker 1: colboy whatever. Moving on. Um M k Row seventy two says,
Speaker 1: is the guide or the client responsible for replacing broken equipment?
Speaker 1: Oh that's a good question, um man, that seems too so.
Speaker 1: I've been on on charters before where that's like written
Speaker 1: in blood, like you sign a thing like anything you
Speaker 1: break you buy. That's not I don't. I don't want
Speaker 1: to say that's the norm. Most of the time it
Speaker 1: is not, so I think in most cases, is it
Speaker 1: your responsibility? No? I mean, like if you break a rod,
Speaker 1: it's like, well, that dude just took a business hit
Speaker 1: for the day. He's probably had rods broken before. But
Speaker 1: should you because you're a good human being and like
Speaker 1: now you just cost this guy? Hell yeah you should.
Speaker 1: I would. I I mean that with without without a doubt,
Speaker 1: especially if I did something stupid if his rod breaks
Speaker 1: because he had a chip in it that he didn't
Speaker 1: know about, one thing. But like if you're being an
Speaker 1: ass hat and like smacking it off the gunnal, yeah,
Speaker 1: you should absolutely, yeah. I mean, you know, depending on
Speaker 1: what happens. If you're like, you know, cranking on a
Speaker 1: fish and like you're not doing anything like dumb in
Speaker 1: the rod just like explodes. You know, that's like one thing.
Speaker 1: If you have casted it into a tree and you know,
Speaker 1: you keep you know, can't indicay in it and trying
Speaker 1: to pop it out, and like the rod breaks, maybe
Speaker 1: you ought to pay for it. On the other hand,
Speaker 1: if like the guide says, pointed it like the tree
Speaker 1: and you do that and you pull it out and
Speaker 1: the split shot that you were using comes back and
Speaker 1: obliterates the rod, that's not really your fault, man, that's
Speaker 1: not your fault. You know it It varies, man. Look,
Speaker 1: the bottom line is these guides, um, you know a
Speaker 1: lot of them are working out of shops, in which
Speaker 1: case is actually the shops equipment you know most times,
Speaker 1: and like the shop realizes that that's just something that
Speaker 1: comes to the territory. Same as like renting rods, right, ye. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, if you're going out with a guide that
Speaker 1: you know is a sole proprietor, um, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: offer to maybe offer to pay for it. But it's
Speaker 1: a case by case. Man. If you're acting like an
Speaker 1: ass and you break a rod, you know you got
Speaker 1: what was coming and you ought to pay for it.
Speaker 1: If it was a pure accident, like hey, rod's break sometimes. Man,
Speaker 1: that's just what it is, alright, Moving on, um J
Speaker 1: d N forty four says, what's the dumbest or sketchiest
Speaker 1: thing you've ever done to catch a fish? Man, that's
Speaker 1: a really awesome question. I feel like I should have
Speaker 1: this mega answer, and if I had more time to
Speaker 1: think about it would probably probably pop into my brain.
Speaker 1: But the one that all that comes the top of
Speaker 1: my head was in my hardcore surf fishing days. Like
Speaker 1: in college, Um, I used to do a lot of
Speaker 1: jetty hopping and I remember skipping class one day to
Speaker 1: catch a certain tide and I got down to this
Speaker 1: particular jetty and took one look at it and I
Speaker 1: knew it was too big to do it, Like it
Speaker 1: was stupid, like it was too kicked up. And the
Speaker 1: jetty comes out like an L, So you have the
Speaker 1: main jetty pointing straight east off shore, and then about
Speaker 1: halfway out you have an L shooting off to the north,
Speaker 1: and the stripers would would feed in that elbow like
Speaker 1: in that nook, and I I looked at it, and
Speaker 1: I was like, this is really stupid. But I drove
Speaker 1: all that way and I skipped class to go fish it.
Speaker 1: And you can easily talk yourself into going, well, it's
Speaker 1: not that bad. It's not that bad. And I was
Speaker 1: all by myself, and I went out on that L
Speaker 1: and luckily at the time because I was still keeping stripers,
Speaker 1: I had a jetty gaff. I had a Calcutta long
Speaker 1: jetty gaff. And I went out like a couple of
Speaker 1: couple of waves broke and it was not that big
Speaker 1: a deal, Like I just held my ground and started fishing,
Speaker 1: and I I wedged the jetty gaff into the rocks
Speaker 1: next to me, and um, I looked down for about
Speaker 1: three seconds to to change out a plug and just
Speaker 1: got my feet taken right out from under me. And luckily,
Speaker 1: on my way off the back side of that jetty,
Speaker 1: one hand caught the gaff that was still wedged in
Speaker 1: the rocks and I had two more break over me
Speaker 1: while I was hanging on, and it's scared the living
Speaker 1: ship out of me. But I just got up and
Speaker 1: and got off, and UM, that was dumb. That was dumb.
Speaker 1: I knew I shouldn't have been out there, but I was. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't have anything quite like that. Um.
Speaker 1: But you know, I think the common thread here is
Speaker 1: underestimating heavy water. UM. You know. I remember I was
Speaker 1: steel head fish in one time and there was a
Speaker 1: bunch of pressure where I. Where I was was on
Speaker 1: Salmon River, and I knew that there was a spot
Speaker 1: that I could probably cross because I'd gone over in
Speaker 1: a boat before with my buddy Scott, and I'd like,
Speaker 1: let to see the bottom. I was like, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: that looks like kind of like an incognito place across
Speaker 1: and if you crossed, you would you would get access
Speaker 1: to a large portion of bank that a lot of
Speaker 1: folks didn't have access to. Um. So I remember, Um,
Speaker 1: I remember just kind of like almost losing it in
Speaker 1: the middle of winter by myself in like a real
Speaker 1: sketchy spot. Also on the Salmon River, I was fishing
Speaker 1: across from this. Uh, I was fishing, and which is now,
Speaker 1: and I had waited across. I had come out like
Speaker 1: I don't even really think I got on the opposite bank,
Speaker 1: which is like technically which is like private, but like
Speaker 1: I'm fishing from the opposite side of opposite side for
Speaker 1: everybody fishes. And one of the stewards came down to me.
Speaker 1: He was like, hey, um, you know, I saw you
Speaker 1: come down across this way, and you know, I just
Speaker 1: want you to know that, like, if one of our
Speaker 1: clients wants to uh wants to fish here, you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to move. Um. And and this is I don't
Speaker 1: know if I a should be saying this, but whatever,
Speaker 1: this is why I don't like the So in a huff,
Speaker 1: I was like called the warden man like I I
Speaker 1: didn't like I was. I was like, I didn't do that.
Speaker 1: You know, you can, you can tell me you're whatever,
Speaker 1: but I didn't do that. Um. So basically like I
Speaker 1: had like some words with this dude, and I was
Speaker 1: just like, you know what, fine, And I just like
Speaker 1: I went to like cross back, like I was real annoyed,
Speaker 1: but I had missed the shelf by like just a touch,
Speaker 1: and so I start crossing back and I realized that
Speaker 1: the line that I'm taking is not good man. But
Speaker 1: but but like I'm piste off and committed, so there's
Speaker 1: no going back, there's no spinning around the amount. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know this position. Yes, So I'm like, I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna do this or I'm gonna die doing it. And
Speaker 1: I did not die doing it. But that was a
Speaker 1: pretty I guess that's not the dumbest thing I've ever
Speaker 1: done to catch a fish, but maybe one of the
Speaker 1: dumber things have done to prove a point. I've had
Speaker 1: so many sketchy aids, and I don't want to tell
Speaker 1: a whole another story, but the one that's most memorable.
Speaker 1: I got across and I picked the spot where we
Speaker 1: were crossing the broad Head and this was Father's Day weekend.
Speaker 1: And I got across and turned around to see my
Speaker 1: poor old man and in the middle of this heavy flow,
Speaker 1: waist deep with his flimsy little waiting stick looking at
Speaker 1: me like if I don't die, I'm gonna kill you.
Speaker 1: The second I get over to that bank, and it
Speaker 1: was like the most hair raising five minutes of my life.
Speaker 1: It was one of those deals where like you just
Speaker 1: were waiting, like I was like, he's gonna get taken
Speaker 1: off his feet any second. And I picked the spot.
Speaker 1: I picked the spot, and now there's no going back,
Speaker 1: there's no turning around. You are going forward. Luckily he
Speaker 1: made it, and then we had a nice dinner at
Speaker 1: shown Ease or something. Yeah. Man, that broadhead is funny, dude,
Speaker 1: because there are some stretches of it that you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is a peach, and there are other stretches of
Speaker 1: it where you're like, you could go in there and
Speaker 1: never come back. All right. Um. Piker seventy two asks, Uh,
Speaker 1: why do people who have a boat doc get pissed
Speaker 1: when other people fish it? Like gold Dude, I'm fishing.
Speaker 1: I think he means from a boat. Well, yeah, he
Speaker 1: does mean from a boat. Um. So I have two
Speaker 1: thoughts on that. On a lake, I don't get it.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you have if you have a basketbat
Speaker 1: and you're pulling up in the middle of the day
Speaker 1: to somebody's dock and flipping his dock, I don't get it.
Speaker 1: They just must feel like whatever bass live under that
Speaker 1: dock are their bass now in the saltwater scene. On
Speaker 1: the other hand, if I had waterfront property with the dock,
Speaker 1: I would absolutely pay the money to have green lights
Speaker 1: put out on that dock, because there is nothing more
Speaker 1: fun than night dock fishing in saltwater when the lights
Speaker 1: bringing all the bait and their stripers and snook and
Speaker 1: whatever you have is just there. Okay, But then if
Speaker 1: you roll up on a boat and fish my lights,
Speaker 1: now I'm pissed, even though you have every right to
Speaker 1: do so. I would be furious. But if I had
Speaker 1: a lakefront home and a dude rolled up and flipped it,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't give a damn like good for you, man? Okay?
Speaker 1: Ethan sense that asks uh, any tips for dealing with
Speaker 1: potentially aggressive waterfowl around your fishing spot? Yeah? Man, um
Speaker 1: a CEO two powered pellet? Gun? Uh, I want to talk?
Speaker 1: Is a federal offense. I don't do that, Martin, whatever
Speaker 1: you got, Yeah, I don't know, man. Uh you know
Speaker 1: Number one? Why wide wide birth? I assume he's talking
Speaker 1: about geese, and that's always do that. The nesting season
Speaker 1: always coincides with opening day around here. So I mean,
Speaker 1: how many times in your life like you're just a
Speaker 1: walking him a trout hole and then get that you're
Speaker 1: like ship like turn around, walk around him. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, I don't know how many
Speaker 1: times it's happened to be. My first inclination is always
Speaker 1: like there's a big snake. Yeah, oh yeah, dude, it
Speaker 1: catches you way off guard. All right, So Thomas n
Speaker 1: y EU that could be Thomas and I guess, uh
Speaker 1: going to the PM first Steel next week? Are four
Speaker 1: guys too many for a drift boat? Will we be
Speaker 1: laughed at? Yes? Yes, yes you will too many. I
Speaker 1: don't I don't know what kind of drift boat you're
Speaker 1: dealing with. But even like the biggest stealth craft i'm
Speaker 1: aware of, four is too many. Um, it's not that
Speaker 1: it's probably unsafe. Like I'm thinking about my boat sixteen foot?
Speaker 1: Could I row four people in it if I had to? Yeah?
Speaker 1: But none of you're gonna be able to fish like
Speaker 1: you're not. You're not gonna be able to fish unless
Speaker 1: you're so using it to hop out and fish a run,
Speaker 1: and and and and he said it's like a shuttle
Speaker 1: whatever if all, if three out of four, you think
Speaker 1: you're gonna be like swinging intruders with sink tips, uh
Speaker 1: safety glasses at them? Yeah, and and if that's a
Speaker 1: four guys on a guides drift boat, meaning that there
Speaker 1: are five dudes way above the maximum. Yeah, he won't
Speaker 1: let you do that. I highly doubt it. I might, Okay,
Speaker 1: Cakey Codes, I don't know what that means. Uh asks
Speaker 1: should adults be able to fish on youth mentor Day? Truthfully,
Speaker 1: Cakey Codes, I am not really aware of whether they
Speaker 1: can or cannot. So I don't know how to answer that,
Speaker 1: Like if the mentor how do I mentor you if
Speaker 1: I can't teach you how to cast, which means I
Speaker 1: might have to cast for all I know this person
Speaker 1: is correct and on youth Mentor Day the adult cannot fish,
Speaker 1: But I I, I don't know. I yeah, but I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what, man, I will tell you what. I
Speaker 1: bet you if they've let adults fish on youth Mentor Day,
Speaker 1: a lot more kids would go fishing. Well that's yeah,
Speaker 1: probably you're right. You So, so as far as like
Speaker 1: that's concerned, like, yeah, you know, I would say, like
Speaker 1: that would be a cool thing to let folks, do
Speaker 1: you know, kind of give you, aside from the joy
Speaker 1: of children, a a reward for you know, taking kids fishing.
Speaker 1: But you know that's just me all right, out of
Speaker 1: the round, asks, if I go ten car fishing and
Speaker 1: an old red neck and a cane pole is fishing,
Speaker 1: can I still look down on them? No, because your
Speaker 1: ten car fishing. I was gonna say, sure, you can,
Speaker 1: in fact still look down on them. But if it
Speaker 1: gets ugly, he's gonna beat your ass because that cane
Speaker 1: pole would snap the ten car rod right in half
Speaker 1: if it went full on sword fight. They are much
Speaker 1: stronger than your ten car rod. Alright. And last but
Speaker 1: not least cmh o Boza or cm Hobosa or see
Speaker 1: m hobos. I don't know how it how it said
Speaker 1: asks like like many of you asked, when are you
Speaker 1: taking Phil fishing? I feel like I feel like I've
Speaker 1: failed Phil. You should take Phil fit You could take
Speaker 1: Phil fishing so many times it's just like yeah, it
Speaker 1: just like never works out. We tried to go duck
Speaker 1: hunting to man Um. You know, uh, I will tell
Speaker 1: you what. If there's one person who deserves a free
Speaker 1: fishing trip from the Bent Fellows, it's Phil Taylor h
Speaker 1: and and and and despite my departure, Phil knows he
Speaker 1: has an open invitation. I even have an Ikea futon
Speaker 1: here for him any time, any time, Phil